Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Grungoria


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Grungoria

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppet


 * Evidence

Uses same writing style, sources and arguments as puppet User:Garamundi.


 * Does not sign his posts just like his puppet.
 * Uses the same sources
 * Provides simular arguments and makes same mistake of thinking that the King of Denmark actually had any political power. This is an unusual and very unique misunderstanding of a constitutional monarchy.
 * Has very simular, unique and rather unusual opinions
 * Puppet turned up a few days after his master stopped posting to the talk page.

Please look at his edit here Talk:Axis_Powers and compare it to the statements of his puppet later in the debate. His points and arguments are identical. Furthermore he calls other people's arguments stupid and generally has no regard for Wikipedia's no perosnal attack policy or warnings given to him by admins.

Also if you see his edit history [] and [] you will notice that these are not the kind of edits a first time editor would make. He clearly had the experience needed to make major changes to the article. Also you will notice that Grungoria's personal attacks began 5 hours after he created that account. A user who is only 5 hours old does make such edits, it is highly unusual. it makes me think that Grungoria is not the sockpuppeteer but another puppet of an unknown puppeteer but I have no direct evidence so I am only reporting the two known accounts.

He is trying to make it seem as if his views has broader support than they really do.

Both have only made edits to the Axis Powers article and only a few yet they are quite familiar with Wikipedia policies about NPOV and decided to start right away with editing the article rather than "get their feet wet" on the talk page first. Makes me think that maybe they are both sock puppets belonging to an unknown puppeteer.

Ran a check by CheckUser which resulted in a likely verdict. Requests for checkuser/Case/Grungoria.

Has been blocked just 2 days ago for 24 hours for breaking the 3RR and is currently under a warning for personal attacks. These include accusations of vandalism, sock puppetry and using my ethnic heritage as an argument against me. These attacks occured shortly after his block expired and has not ended despite a warning being added by an admin on his talk page.

His only response to this case has been to accuse me of being a sockpuppet of another user User:White Guard with whom he also disagrees.

I request that he and his sockpuppet is permanently blocked. MartinDK 18:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comments

Can he prolong the case by not responding to it? MartinDK 17:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the user doesn't necessarily have to respond to it in order for an investigation to take place. The Garamundi user is certainly aware of the accusation and whether any involved parties choose to contribute information about the sockpuppet accusation is up to them. Neil916 (Talk) 20:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Without hearing any kind of explanation from the accused users about why the checkuser came up "likely", I'd say that the original poster of this sockpuppet case makes a good argument, especially given the checkuser results. I don't think there's much more that I feel I can add, other than the fact that the user Grungoria has only 5 edits from 9/9 to 9/10, and the user Garamundi wasn't created until 9/14, but immediately jumped into the middle of a heated discussion on the Axis powers talk page. The Grungoria account had not been blocked, so there was not a need for block evasion and it doesn't look like a revert war where a user was trying to avoid 3RR.  (I especially would have looked for that type of activity to come into play while Garamundi was blocked for 3RR or in an attempt to avoid 3RR).  Neil916 (Talk) 21:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's certainly possible, but it is also not possible either. If the suspected account begins acting suspicious, create another report. Iola k ana • T  10:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

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