Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Izmir lee

User:Izmir lee

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


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--Tsourkpk (talk) 08:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Izmir lee was initially blocked for 2 weeks for edit-warring across multiple articles, and then indef blocked for trying to evade the ban through anonymous IPs. I believe User:Aegean Boy is a sockpuppet of Izmir lee for the following reasons:
 * Evidence

1) User:Izmir lee is indef blocked after edit-warring and sockpuppetry on July 6th .  User:Aegean Boy account created on July 7th.

2) User:Izmir lee edits mostly consist of removing Asia categories from Turkey related articles, and adding Europe categories.  Has a special interest in cuisine and cinema-related articles. Diffs: , ,.

User:Aegean Boy does exactly the same thing:    

3)User:Izmir lee accuses editors that disagree with him of racism against Turks and of vandalism:

Guess what? User:Aegean Boy does exactly the same thing:    

4) User:Izmir lee shows a particular interest in Template:Greek diaspora:

User:Aegean Boy has exactly the same interest:   

5) User:Izmir lee adds systematically adds Europe categories and removes Asia from biography articles of Turkish athletes:

User:Aegean Boy does exactly the same thing:    

6)This edit in List of European languages by country, is performed by User:Izmir lee, and then a very similar edit is performed by User:Aegean Boy:.

7) Shows great familiarity with wikipedia even though a new user, and dove into edit war on Template:Greek diaspora after only 10 days on wikipedia.

This user's edits mostly consist or removing Turkey from Asian categories and adding it to European categories. This is exactly the same pattern as Izmir lee. Shows the same tendency to instantly revert and completely ignore WP:3RR. There is no doubt this is a sock of Izmir lee. You can see Turkey is a part of Europe in European Environment Agency's website.
 * Comments
 * Tsourkpk is against Turkey and its EU accession. And he is always reverting articles with the same reason: "rv sock". I'm not a suckpuppet and i'm rarely editing wikipedia since December 2007 but i was anonymous and i signed up in this month because i've got a lot of free time in this summer. I checked contributions of Izmir Lae and i relaized that he/she was interested in Europe too but he/she was definitely a vandal! Also i realized that Tsourkpk and The Ogre are reverting the same articles after each other! And in the Template:Greek diaspora, they put completely Asian Armenia and partly Asian partly European Russia to Europe but partly Asian, partly European Turkey and Kazakhstan to Asia. If this template is geographical, Armenia must be in asia category, Russia, Turkey and Kazakhstan must be in transcontinental countries category but if this template is political, all these countries must be in europe category. I wrote it to talk page but Tsourkpk blanked the page 2 times. Then he continued to reverting the template, i put all European and Asian countries into Eurasia category for ending the edit war. And i never violated 3RR! Tsourkpk removes Turkey from all European related articles! . He says Armenia culturally european but Turkey is in islamic middle east!? He thinks i'm lying while i'm saying Turkey is a European country. Finally i want to show these evidences:

You can see Turkey in Europe not in Asia or Middle East in the BBC's website.

[http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2008/07/07/en-turquie-un-reseau-ultranationaliste-aurait-fomente-un-putsch_1067026_3214.html?xtor=RSS-3208 In Le Monde's website. France is opposite of Turkish EU membership but they don't deny that Turkey is European]

Also in the New York Times'.

[http://www.europetourism.ca/ Tourism in Europe. You can see Turkey!]

Europe's forecast. You can see Ankara's wheather :)

Also in IKEA's. and severel others. --Aegean Boy (talk) 09:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Also administrator Darwinek has already warned Tsourkpk that "Stop blanking talk pages as you did to Greek diaspora template and calling users "socks" etc" --Aegean Boy (talk) 09:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, you sound exactly like Izmir lee:

   I could go on, but its all in your contribs log. And this debate is not about whether Turkey is European or not, but whether or not you are a sockpuppet of Izmir lee. --Tsourkpk (talk) 17:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm NOT a SUCKPUPPET!! Stop accusing me! Why do you add contribs of Izmir Lee here which i have never edited? Like these: ? Your intention is different.. And you say "this debate is not about whether Turkey is European or not" therefore why did you revert this? : and this (while edit warring between you and izmir lee ). PLEASE edit objectively after today. Aegean Boy (talk) 19:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * My responses to your accusations:

1) Izmir Lee used suckpuppet IPs for editing after indef blocked!
 * Comment So is it just coincidence that you appear out of the blue on July 7th.  Your knowledge of wikipedia seems highly advanced for such a new user.  --Tsourkpk (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

2) I have never edited these,  like you say! Izmir Lee valdalised these articles, not me! And you say you have changed categories like Izmir Lee. If i'm Izmir Lee, why did i changed this after Izmir Lee?
 * Comment But that's EXACTLY the kind of edit that Izmir lee would do:  --Tsourkpk (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

3) I have never accused users that disagree with me of racist like Izmir Lee! And i have never edited Template:European Americans, Regional power, Template:Asian cinema and Southern Europe like you say! And i didn't put Turkey to European cuisine first! (my first edit to that article! You can see Turkish cuisine in Southern European cuisines before my edit!) And i put Cuisine of Europe template to Kazakh cuisine article because this template also includes kazakh cuisine but you removed it! and you wrote "is this a joke?" Because you think turkic people aren't european. But you have to know that European part of Kazakhstan is larger than whole Greece!

4) I'm editing Template:Greek diaspora because you say Armenia is in Europe but Turkey and Kazakhstan is in Asia and they are nothing have in common with Europe.
 * Comment Exactly the same argument as Izmir lee .  --Tsourkpk (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

5) I'm adding european categories to Turkish athletes and sportmen/women because all Turkish athletes are competing in European sports events and Turkey is a member of all European sports organizations. Like UEFA, FIBA Europe, Euroleague, European Olympic Committees, European Volleyball Championship, European Volleyball League, Champions League, EuroBasket, European Weightlifting Championship etc.

And i want to ask you a question. Why are you using Ryan Postlethwaite for your problems? Like this: "I've opened a sockpuppetry against him. Please feel free to weigh in when you're back. --Tsourkpk (talk) 20:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)" and this: "I just hope Ryan comes back soon"! --Aegean Boy (talk) 20:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Please stop begging to admins. And please stop talking with your advocates about this issue. --Aegean Boy (talk) 21:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * We'll see what Ryan has to say when he comes back. He is the only admin familiar with Izmir lee.  And your canvassing, ,

, , is highly disruptive and illegal, so don't tell me about "begging to admins". I've got a good mind to report you to WP:AN/I just for that alone. --Tsourkpk (talk) 21:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If you report me, i'll report you too! You are speaking in Greek too!, , , . --Aegean Boy (talk) 21:21, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

LOL, not for speaking Turkish (that's not a policy violation), but for canvassing to try getting around 3RR ("please stop him"). --Tsourkpk (talk) 21:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Like you did to Izmir Lee (you, The Ogre and 3rdAlcove) 3 vs 1 It wasn't fair!, , , , , , , , . And finally Izmirlee blocked indef. because he violated 3RR several times but you 3 guys couldn't violate because you reverted at least 8 times after each other. --Aegean Boy (talk) 05:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * So if you saw that three editors were independently reverting you, why didn't you try to seek consensus, instead of reverting like crazy and sockpuppeting through anomymous IPs? --Tsourkpk (talk) 06:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Only THREE GREEK users!! It isn't consensus! I'm NOT a suckpuppet! And you also violated WP:CANVAS by this . --Aegean Boy (talk) 06:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment User:The Ogre is actually from Portugal.  --Tsourkpk (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I retracted "this" before your posting, and the editor's ethnicity is irrelevant.  Izmir lee blocked for two weeks for edit-warring, but he continued through anonymous IPs, and that's why he was indef blocked.  He has no one to blame but himself.   --Tsourkpk (talk) 06:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have never blocked like you say ! You can look my block log if you don't believe in me! You reverted it because you know that you've violated WP:CANVAS! Don't you think that why any admins looked here and terminated this illogical and ridiculous pretension? Because you are wrong! --Aegean Boy (talk) 07:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I only encountered this user and the encircling discussions recently. However, my oppinion on the matter is that he (or perhaps she, despite the "Boy" in the name) is correct in his arguements. Turkey does have a European culture. Also, if the template is placing Turkey in Asia, then why is it placing Russia in Europe, when both are transcontinental countries? A point I brought up on the talk page of the template in question was that there is no tectonic plate dividing Asia and Europe, and therefore, there has always been controversy as to where the distinction of one ends and the other starts. However, a way that has been used in the country lists on Wikipedia to overcome this, is to group Europe and Western Asia together, and group East asia and South asia together. These two groups (whilst yes, still not divided by a tectonic plate) are more distinguished than say, Europe and Asia, and have been used to success in prohibiting debates like this on other articles when it comes to classifying countries. I made an attempt to solve the problem on the template page by grouping the Asia category (of which all the contained countries were from Western Asia) and the Europe category, to give Eurasia, by which Russia and Turkey were appropriately placed regardless of POV. However, Tsourkpk reverted - without good reason I might add, but anyway...
 * Oh, and I'm getting off the point. With regards to the sockpuppetery - since I have not known this user for very long, I don't know what my oppinion of it is yet. However, one thing I noticed from the diffs pointed out from the supposed sockpuppeter and Aegen Boy so far, are that the supposed sockpuppeter tended to use English spellings, while Aegen Boy tended to use American ones - although notably, both were quite broken.
 * That is all.
 * 89.242.104.114 (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * HE HAS COPIED MY PROFILE Ijanderson977 (talk) 20:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes i've copied your userpage's style because i liked it very much but it doesn't mean that i'm a suckpuppet! --Aegean Boy (talk) 20:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The more I read about the situation, the more it seems like Tsourkpk is actually the one at fault here. He accuses Aegean boy of breaking 3RR, yet has been blocked for edit warring himself. WP:IRONY anyone?

He is given an official warning, for breaking not only WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF and WP:NPA, but apparently blanking an article too, to which he was threatened to be blocked.

After this, he actually removed the warning.

In fact, the user seems to have an entire history of removing warnings from their talk page on top of that... ,

A checkuser is not for fishing, and considering the problems seem to be a lot closer to home for this user, I think we need to deal with those first, before breaking WP:BITE, WP:AGF, and "Checkuser is not for fishing", in adhering to the whims of this user to attack and discredit those who oppose his POV pushing, edit warring, hypocritical, and unnacceptable edits. 89.242.104.114 (talk) 21:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, User:Tsourkpk has attempted to remove other's comments on the page: . I have warned the user on their talkpage. 89.243.32.74 (talk) 08:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

These anonymous users seem to be the same person - 89.242.104.114 is now banned for a period of 24 hours (in several articles he tried to make Maltese a mixed language of Sicanian, Siculo-Arabic, Italian, Sicilian, French and English and not an Arabic language, agaisnt all sources and all the other users). 89.243.32.74 looks like a sockpuppet and is being treated as such by other users. Aegean Boy seems to be trying to get some support (namely from User:ZoRCoCuK - previously User:Isimsizzorbebe), who just called me a racist in my talk page.

The issue here is not wether Turkey is an European or an Asian country, but if Aegean Boy is a sockpuppet of Izmir lee or not. To me it looks plainly that he is. In fact there seems to be, regarding these issues, a coalition of people that want to supress tha fact that Turkey has a strong origin and connection to the Islamic Middle East (in Asia). Basically saying that Turkey is as European as Slovenia, Germany or England. Straight frontiers are always difficult to establish, and there is a lot of ambiguity in the world, and certainly Turkey has a strong connection to Europe in several levels, so that one can say that it is a country were a passage between European and Islamic Turkic cultures occurs. That is why in several of the articles I did not remove Turkey's European status, but added the Asian one. This will always be a contentious subject and we must strive for a reasonable and sourced consensus. Doing what Izmir lee did and Aegean Boy does (denying that Turkey is in any sense a country also highly entrenched in a non-European civilization) is not the way to go. I haven't got much time now, but I will came back to this. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 13:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Conclusions
 * I asked a checkuser to look into this, and it's confirmed that Izmir Lee and Aegean Boy are the same person, so Aegean Boy has been blocked indefinitely.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  14:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)