Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Jachin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Jachin

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets

ChazBeckett 22:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Report submission by


 * Evidence

I believe that User:Jachin used an anonymous IP sockpuppet to advance his position on Par Avion, including evading the 3RR. A majority (~80%) of the IP's 25 edits are to subjects and specific articles edited by Jachin. Below is the interaction that seems to leave little doubt about the sockpuppetry.


 * 18:21, 19 March 2007 adds an "error" to Par Avion
 * 18:38, 19 March 2007 adds "error" in again
 * 18:42, 19 March 2007 comments on my talk page
 * 18:49, 19 March 2007 adds "error" in third time
 * 18:56, 19 March 2007 comments on article talk page
 * 18:56, 19 March 2007 comments on article talk page


 * 18:58, 19 March 2007 welcomes "new" anonymous user (User:211.30.75.123)
 * 18:59, 19 March 2007 adds error back into article
 * 19:05, 19 March 2007 comments on my talk page
 * 19:17, 19 March 2007 comments that "it appears our IP'd friend has gone to bed"
 * 19:18, 19 March 2007 suggests to the IP that he get an account
 * More...
 * More...


 * Articles in common
 * IP mentions Freemasonry, which Jachin coincidentally received a Barnstar for.
 * Jachin
 * IP
 * Jachin
 * Other
 * IP: makes comments    to talk page of, an "Australian group dedicated to urban exploration". Again mentions Freemasonry which seems to be a favorite subject of Jachin.
 * Jachin: edits Urban exploration and  Caving
 * IP: makes comments    to talk page of, an "Australian group dedicated to urban exploration". Again mentions Freemasonry which seems to be a favorite subject of Jachin.
 * Jachin: edits Urban exploration and  Caving


 * Choice of words
 * IP: "...otherwise it'll just be nerfed under COI."
 * Jachin "...By where your argument is going we'd have to nerf every trivia section..."

Before initiating this case, I asked Jachin to explain the indentical editing patterns. His reply was that "The IP is an open proxy located at an alternate campus of my University..." However, the IP only has 25 edits over a short period of time (13 days) and the edits are concentrated on articles which Jachin also edits. The editing style is remarkable similar and the timing often coincides within minutes. ChazBeckett 23:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments

Jachin has confirmed with this edit that he edits with the IP in question. The only remaining defense would be that he's not the only person to use this IP. But as I mentioned above, the "open proxy" argument makes no sense due to the fact that the IP's editing style and choice of articles is identical to Jachin's. Whether the IP is indeed an open proxy is irrelevant, as it's quite obvious that's used been only by Jachin.

Also, the "harassment" and "victimization" diffs listed by Jachin refer to an ArbCom case brought by a (now) blocked user against every single editor (dozens) who commented on his community ban. The case was unanimously rejected by the ArbCom, but anyone who's interested can see the details here (warning: it's quite lengthy). This seems to be little more than ad hominem attacks and grasping at straws by Jachin. ChazBeckett 12:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Jachin has confirmed with this edit that he edits with the IP in question. The only remaining defense


 * Apart from the flaw of an out of context quote, or biased sample, the act in question was to negate your claim it wasn't a proxy. However I fail to see how that acts as confirmation that I edit with the IP?  The ability to is not the same as the act of.  Argumentum ad logicam.  Your use of incongruent deceptive statements is rather taxing on your credibility.


 * Two articles in common does not a sockpuppet make. Jachin 02:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Agree that the IP and Jochin are sockpuppets. While I believe the "choice of words" does not matter, as it's regional slang and therefore easily dismissed, it seems that the IP user and Jachin are sockpuppets. 211.30.75.123 starts off editing commenting about Freemasonry, one of Jachin's areas of expertise. Jachin also edits Wicca and Talk:Wicca during the same time period, albeit on a differant topic. Next, 211.30.75.123 comments on Talk:Cave Clan very shortly after Jachin edits Caving, Urban exploration and The Tunnel Rats. It should be especially noted that 211.30.75.123 called himself a "long time wikipedian". I disregard their edits to the Lost article, despite the fact they both advocated for torrent linking, because they are seperated by months, Lost is a popular show and torrents are a popular download method. The butterfly knife edits are more damning than the diffs above would make it appear. The IP user states they will redirect the balisong article. Jachin one minute later takes action on this. 211.30.75.123 edits Par Avion and its talk page a bit. After the last edit, Jachin welcomes the IP user two minutes later, and proceed to edit Par Avion one minute after that. Beyond the damning "coincidental" edits, the evidence that the IP user openly claimed to be a "long time wikipedian" and that Jachin immediately took action on something the IP user said they would do seems to put any doubts regarding sockpuppetry to rest. Vassyana 09:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Jachin, do not move or alter the comments of other editors. Vassyana 14:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Please note Jachin keeps moving user comments from the comments section. Please note that he used the IP address in question to do so. Vassyana 00:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Comment, you may not have noticed, but the 'response' section is NOT a default section of SSP listings, it is my comment, my response, to the allegations that after five years of wiki editing I am magically using sock puppets of insecure proxies to astro-turf a friggen trivia edit on an episode of Lost. *rolls eyes* Jachin 05:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, the sockpuppetry goes back much further than the Par Avion edits. I'm sure we could go back to July 2005 and examine Jachin's other sockpuppets, such as, but isn't the evidence already overwhelming enough? ChazBeckett 16:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The above user was victimising another editor by arbitrarily deleting their posts, even after the editor had requested they cessate. On my stepping in to validate the editors posts, ChazBeckett realised he would break the 3RR and thus decided to take to nitpicking over WP:OR, et cetera. The situation was reasonably resolved, although Chaz seemed persistant that it was his way or the highway.
 * Response

If the only common feature between both accounts is one or two articles and the word 'nerf', I'm highly amused. Perhaps Chaz should familiarise himself with common Australian vernacular. Furthermore, I cite: -


 * [jachin]# nmap -sS 211.30.75.123


 * Starting Nmap 4.01 at 2007-21-03 17:23 GMT
 * Interesting ports on chaos (211.30.75.123):
 * (The 1668 ports scanned but not shown below are in state:
 * closed)
 * PORT    STATE SERVICE
 * 21/tcp  open  ftp
 * 22/tcp  open  ssh
 * 80/tcp open  http
 * 631/tcp open  ipp


 * Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 28.207
 * seconds

Oooh, what's that on port 80? HTTP into it and lo and behold, it's not a HTTPD. Hrm, maybe it's a [gasp] proxy.

To further humour these claims, this is me behind my proxy. Jachin 06:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

And me not behind the proxy. 203.221.88.80 06:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Behind. Jachin 06:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Not behind. 203.221.88.80 06:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

And finally behind, yet not logged in. 211.30.75.123 06:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

But given that Chaz has a record of harassment and victimisation I have no doubt this will not suffice. Jachin 06:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Conclusions

Pretty clear duck test, right down to words the two misspell in exactly the same way (and the slip on "my proxy" instead of "the proxy"). 24 hours for the puppetmaster. Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)