Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Joshurtree

User:Joshurtree

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by

As can be seen from both users' edit histories, they are repeatedly doing the same edits to the same articles, thereby avoiding violating WP:3RR. ,, , ,. When two users both keep deleting the same sourced content over and over again (they have about three similar edits per person per day), it looks like an attempt to avoid 3RR. When the same two users appear to share exactly the same interests and the same sports club (look at their edits to Sheffield Wednesday), it looks very much like SockPuppetry. JdeJ (talk) 13:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Evidence

I am not sure exactly how you are supposed to defend yourself against being accused of being a sockpuppet as it has never happened to me before, but here goes!
 * Comments

I feel that JdeJ's evidence is very weak indeed. The reverts that myself and Joshurtree (and several other users including an admin, I might add) have made to United Kingdom are clearly explained on the article talk page, and briefly consist of the fact that there are numerous sources that contradict the source provided by JdeJ, which itself appears to be sensationalism. JdeJ and Sarah777, who has also been involved in this edit war, have both come close to violating 3RR on this article recently and could also be accused of sockpuppetry using JdeJ's argument above. Both users have been invited to attempt to gain consensus on the article talk page, but have so far declined, instead opting to continue their edit war. It is also worth noting that both users have made personal attacks against me within the last 24 hours.

As for the fact that myself and Joshurtree share one common interest (Sheffield Wednesday F.C.); I again feel that this is an extremely weak argument, as the club has literally hundreds of thousands of fans all around the world. The argument that we both only make three similar edits per day is also nonsense, if you check my edit history you will see that I have recently made many more edits per day than this, and on several different articles that have in no way involved Joshurtree.

Please feel free to check my edit history - you will see that I have made thousands of valid edits to Wikipedia over the last couple of years, which is hardly typical behaviour for a sockpuppet. I therefore feel that this accusation is unfounded and a further personal attack, and that I have no case to answer. I would appreciate it if action could be taken against JdeJ for making this frivolous accusation in the first place and thereby wasting my time. Given JdeJ's comments on his own talk page it appears that I am being targeted in "revenge" for adding 3RR warnings (in good faith) to Sarah777 and JdeJ's talk pages. Dan1980 (talk | stalk) 14:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The user may or may not be a sock puppet, but I resent the idea that the report is a personal attack. Given that the group of English editors edit warring over United Kingdom have shown a tendency to racially abuse other editors, stalk them from page to page, attack their supposed political views etc., I find it verging on the bizarre that Dan1980 choses to label everything other users do as personal attacks directed at him. Regarding the case in question, this is the first time ever I have heard the Financial Times being accused of sensationalism. JdeJ (talk) 16:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please find one example of me using "racial abuse" or attacking "supposed political views". I only became involved in this in an attempt to stop the edit war and hostility surrounding it, and have become a target myself as a result! The fact that your only involvement with me is to revert one of my edits and call me an "English nationalist vandal" before posting this sockpuppet allegation led me to believe that it was a personal attack. I do not think that there is anything "bizarre" in this logic. Dan1980 (talk | stalk) 18:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I was much too vague. To the best of my knowledge, Dan1980 has never used anything even close to a racial abuse or attacked other's politics. I was thinking about other users making the same changes and expressed myself badly when I failed to make that distinction clear. Once more, my apologies for that. JdeJ (talk) 22:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Having read through Dan1980 comments in more detail, I would like to withdraw this report and admit that I was a bit hasty in posting it. I honestly belived at the time of making it that both users were one and the same, for the reasons outlined above and for Dan suddenly appearing so that Joshurtree avoided violating 3RR but for some reason I missed how long both users had been active. It's embarrasing having to admit such a stupid mistake, I somehow thought that Dan was a new user. My apologies are due to both users, this is the first time I've written such an erroneous report and it will definitely be a long time before it happens again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JdeJ (talk • contribs) 22:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Damn. I just written my rebuttle, mentioning the fact that I was talking to "myself" as far back as 2006, then I get a edit conflict and find the argument's over before i've even begun. Teaches me to take so bloody long over replying. Anyway on a serious note thanks for the apology I've dived headlong into things in the past and then had to slope off quietly with my tail between my legs so I understand. josh (talk) 22:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Report was withdrawn by the filing party. Jehochman Talk 14:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Conclusions