Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/KraMuc (2nd)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions. Most IP address were currently no threat to Wikipedia. Also, about five or six had been blocked in the past and only one IP address had not made any contributions. Iola k ana • T  16:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

KraMuc (2nd case)
The basic issue here is that someone whose first user account was permabanned appears to be extensively editing as an IP anon and has also apparently registered some sockpuppet accounts. (This suspicion could probably be tested using the evidence listed below via a request at Requests for checkuser.)


 * KraMuc, a permabanned user

has been permabanned for his offensive and disruptive POV-pushing at less-widely articles such as as well as widely and frequently edited articles such as:
 * (who has also promoted the charge of "plagiarism" [sic] against Albert Einstein)
 * (about a journal founded by an anti-relativity crank)
 * (created by KraMuc)
 * (about the "plagiarism" charges)
 * (ditto, if KraMuc has his way)
 * (ditto, if KraMuc has his way)


 * Previous suspected socks

Users previously suspected of socking for Kramuc include:
 * 09:19, 22 July 2006 implies he is KraMuc in probably misleading reply to query in User talk:PaolaDiApulia about whether this user is a KraMuc sock.
 * 10:53, 22 July 2006 edit warring
 * 09:44, 22 July 2006
 * (single use account)
 * Note: KraMuc was blocked 04:59, 7 May 2006 and Kai666 appeared at 07:26, 7 May 2006 saying "THere must be very intelligent people around at Wikipedia, who obviously find the measure taken he by immature nuts for laughing". This comment exhibits typical KraMuc writeprint features.
 * Note: KraMuc was blocked 04:59, 7 May 2006 and Kai666 appeared at 07:26, 7 May 2006 saying "THere must be very intelligent people around at Wikipedia, who obviously find the measure taken he by immature nuts for laughing". This comment exhibits typical KraMuc writeprint features.
 * Note: KraMuc was blocked 04:59, 7 May 2006 and Kai666 appeared at 07:26, 7 May 2006 saying "THere must be very intelligent people around at Wikipedia, who obviously find the measure taken he by immature nuts for laughing". This comment exhibits typical KraMuc writeprint features.


 * New suspected socks

New users suspected of socking for KraMuc include:




 * Not suspected KraMuc socks


 * , another permabanned user with similar opinions and similar narrow interests, but believed to be a different person entirely, possibly Dean Mamas IRL
 * , apparently Michael Macrossan IRL, who has in part somewhat similar opinions and interests (he has opposed the apparent anti-Semitic strain in some anti-Einstein edits, for example), but is not believed to be the same person as KraMuc


 * Evidence

Compare the following list of edits, noting such features as:
 * KraMuc edits a fairly narrow set of pages, always pushing his anti-relativity notions, promoting his "modern Galilean relativity" replacement notions, and often attacking the character of Einstein
 * As ARIN records of the IP addresses he is known to have used as an anon show, KraMuc generally edits from the Munich area, but has vacationed (he himself mentioned this in signed comments) on the Adriatic coast, which largely explains the Italian ISPs noted below as having been used by KraMuc at certain periods
 * KraMuc often cites papers by Wilfred Krause, a very little known fringe physicist
 * KraMuc sometimes mentions Gertrud Walton, a very little known anti-relativity crank
 * KraMuc has denied that his attacks on relativity and on the character of Einstein have any anti-Semitic motivation, but some of his edits may suggest otherwise to some users (an example of an insensitive edit is noted below)
 * KraMuc often employs imperfect English diction (KraMuc is apparently a native speaker of German)
 * KraMuc often belittles the expertise of users expressing opinions he dislikes
 * KraMuc often signs his anon comments "KraMuc", sometimes "Knäckebrotfabrikant.it", and often doesn't sign at all
 * KraMuc sometimes mentions his own professional experience, or drops names of various fringe physicists in the German speaking community in Europe
 * KraMuc sometimes begins his talk page comments with "Salve"
 * KraMuc sometimes posts comments in German
 * KraMuc sometimes belittles users he doesn't like by calling them "immature"
 * KraMuc sometimes accuses users he doesn't like (including admins) of "criminal" behavior
 * KraMuc sometimes threatens legal action
 * KraMuc has been known to threaten to contact employers and sometimes demands (in talk page messages here at Wikipedia) that a Wikipedia user be fired from his job
 * KraMuc sometimes edit wars with other users
 * KraMuc is often sarcastic


 * Known KraMuc edits

As his registered user :
 * 1) 00:15, 25 June 2006 "Another misunderstanding concerns my identity. Krause is in China for several weeks (if not for months or even longer - he sent me yesterday a message according to which he has been offered a post at a university). The similarity between us two reduces to the first three letters of our second names, which are identical. In real life we easily may be distinguised, because I am much taller than he is. He is the little one, at conferences always well dressed, who wares continuously gloves made from white silk. Some of you must have seen him in Schladming and at other places. Don't make him cross because he is highly sensitive and can become very grim. He has good contact to adminsitrations of important research institutes...Price, has been explained to me, is the one who during conferences smells continuously out of his big mouth because in his brain there is only shit." This edit was the last straw which resulted in KraMuc's permabanning.
 * 2) 12:59, 22 June 2006 vio of WP:CIV
 * 3) 12:56, 22 June 2006 vio of WP:NPA
 * 4) 12:54, 22 June 2006 vio of WP:NLT
 * 5) 05:09, 21 June 2006 vio WP:CIV
 * 6) 05:06, 6 May 2006 "I have myself worked a long time ago as a professional editor of a technical journal in Berlin (for one year). Since I am a retired physicist, I do have also the time...The [h]air dresser told me, that his friend, the architect, had ask him - meant as a joke - the following question: "Why don't you install in your place here a special chair for Jews?" The hair dresser asked back: "For Jews? How should that chair then look like". An the answer was: "On the left hand side of the chair a gas cylinder and on the right hand side another one". This kind of jokes are spontaneously triggered off by persons like Mr. Jacobi when he creates his nonsense. Afterward then the complaint comes: "That's anti-Semitism"."  For the life of me, I don't see the humor in this particular [sic] "joke".

In addition to his user account, KraMuc has frequently used numerous IPs, mostly from the Munich area. There is no doubt about his identity as an IP "anon" because he frequently signs these edits as "KraMuc". Note that he has clearly continued to edit as an anon even after being permabanned.


 * The dip.t-dialin.net anon

This domain is registered to Deutsche Telekom AG (dial-up access in Munich). The following IPs have apparently been used to edit Wikipedia exclusively by "KraMuc".


 * (geoloc. Munich area at 90%; registrar may be bogus)
 * 31 May 2006 (immediately follows and preceded by KraMuc edits)
 * (geoloc. Munich area at 100%)
 * 08:30, 3 September 2006 Asks (in German) that he be reinstated by Jimbo, signs "KraMuc".
 * 09:46, 18 April 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 10:58, 14 September 2006 Adds citation to anti-relativity crank Wilfred Krause paper to Time dilation; this promotion of Krause is a KraMuc diagonostic.
 * sua
 * sua
 * sua; same RIPE info as *.123, same WP edits/articles
 * sua; all edits are to Modern Galilean relativity, which was created by KraMuc
 * 12:27, 24 August 2006 edits Woldemar Voigt; note the date (Kramuc was permabanned on 25 June 2006)
 * (geoloc. Munich area; apparently bogus registrar)
 * 10:17, 14 September 2006 "A small minority of arrogant and ignorant textbooks authors, however, who feel obliged to mystify physics and to fool naive students, asserts the contrary. For these textbooks authors, who since generations copy the terrible and irresponsible nonsense propagated on relativity by authors of the older generation" This edit exhibits several features typical of KraMuc's writeprint.
 * 09:24, 14 September 2006 edit line seems a bit suspect
 * (geoloc. Munich area at 95%)
 * 03:29, 17 May 2006 edit summary signed "KraMuc"
 * 03:27, 17 May 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * (geoloc. Munich area at 90%)
 * 04:31, 6 September 2006 complains in User talk:Jimbo Wales, and signs "KraMuc".
 * 03:42, 6 September 2006 vandalizes my user subpage notes on the KraMuc case; KraMuc's claim "What you are producing here is nothing else than bad repute and almost of legal relevance" verges on a WP:NLT vio.
 * (geolocated Munich area at 95%)
 * 04:45, 13 August 2006 edits Woldemar Voigt
 * 10:57, 11 May 2006 signed "KraMuc"
 * 04:31, 6 September 2006 complains in User talk:Jimbo Wales, and signs "KraMuc".
 * 03:42, 6 September 2006 vandalizes my user subpage notes on the KraMuc case; KraMuc's claim "What you are producing here is nothing else than bad repute and almost of legal relevance" verges on a WP:NLT vio.
 * (geolocated Munich area at 95%)
 * 04:45, 13 August 2006 edits Woldemar Voigt
 * 10:57, 11 May 2006 signed "KraMuc"
 * 10:57, 11 May 2006 signed "KraMuc"
 * 10:57, 11 May 2006 signed "KraMuc"

Note: the edit history is destroyed, but it seems that as the dip.t-dialin.net anon, KraMuc wrote at 19:20, 8 May 2006 in the talk page of the deleted article on "Anti-relativity" "Ich bitte Sie dringenst, die kriminellen Handlungen von 'pjabobi' zu unterbinden. Er hat u.a. auch Texte vernichtet sowie eine Botschaft für den User 'E4mmacro', einen australischen Dozenten. Solche Handlungen sind gesetzwidrig, also kriminell" ("I ask you to stop the criminal actions of Pjacobi.  He deleted among other things edits and a message for the user ' E4mmacro ', an Australian lecturer.  Such actions are illegal, thus criminal"), a WP:NPA-WP:NLT vio. See the link to this statement for admins only.


 * The deutsches-museum.de anon

This domain is registered to the Deutches Museum, a science Museum in Munich


 * 05:02, 9 May 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * The deutschepost.de anon=
 * The deutschepost.de anon=

This is a more doubtful case of a possible KraMuc IP anon. This domain is apparently registered to Deutsche Post AG in Bonn and putatively geolocated near Burlingame, CA, in the San Francisco Bay region


 * 08:16, 23 September 2004 adds link to webpage at 134.76.163.65 (sub.uni-goettingen.de at the University of Göttingen; see Friedwardt Winterberg)
 * 08:16, 23 September 2004 adds link to webpage at 134.76.163.65 (sub.uni-goettingen.de at the University of Göttingen; see Friedwardt Winterberg)


 * The pools.arcor-ip.net anon

This domain is registered to Arcor AG and apparently geolocated near Düsseldorf
 * (a single use account; edit is typical of KraMuc's aggrieved tone)


 * The prim-ns.de anon

This domain is registered to Easynet Group Plc, aka Easynet DV GmbH, and possibly geolocated somewhere near Ludwigsburg, a suburb of Stuttgart


 * (single use account, created Woldemar Voigt)


 * The interbusiness.it anon

This domain is allegedly registered to InterBusiness (headquartered in Rome) via Telecom Italia (but has a bogus registrar)

Apparently geolocated near Milan: Apparently geolocated near Ferrara:
 * 01:45, 13 July 2006 Removes various warnings by admins from User talk:KraMuc (note the date; KraMuc was permabanned 25 June 2006)
 * 03:43, 8 July 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 11:23, 6 July 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 11:23, 6 July 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * (blocked by SCZenz as a KraMuc sockpuppet)
 * 01:39, 28 June 2006 "Salve, Laurascudder, I have sent a letter to the Head of Personnel CERN, Geneve, Switzerland, today, and I am sure that SCZens will get a fair chance at CERN to explain his misuse of both working time and of CERN computers...KraMuc is a senior physicist whose name you may find mentioned in your field of work in connection with the thick saturable absorber, with the circular-scan streaktube and with laser ranging type of space projects. You could make good use of your administrative power by lifting the irresponsible and childish ban against KraMuc. Mr. Zenz is an immature person with an extremely bad behaviour, the same is true for his 'assistent' Crum375. 28 June 2006, Knäckebrotfabrikant.it" Note the date (three days after KraMuc's permabanning).
 * 01:39, 28 June 2006 signs "Knäckebrotfabrikant.it"
 * 03:31, 14 July 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 07:29, 16 July 2006 several edits of Modern Galilean relativity (note the date)
 * 14:18, 30 June 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 14:12, 30 June 2006 "Mr. Zenz is simply an immature person, and I regret that he deserves this kind of treatment. Apparently he has nothing or too little to do during working hours at CERN. Therefore, he is currently misusing CERN computers for his nonsense. I have informed the Head of Personnel of CERN as well as the manager of the ATLAS project about his continuous misuse of CERN computers, and I must say that I have absolutely no bad feeling about this"; vio of WP:HAR-WP:NPA.
 * 03:29, 7 July 2006 reply to POV-pushing warning by myself signed "KraMuc", statement "up to the present day none of the physical theories tought at universities worldwide is capable to explain the elementary particles and their mass spectrum" similar to pushers of Heim theory,
 * 13:07, 27 June 2006 signs "Knäckebrotfabrikant.it" (literally "crisp bread maker")
 * 03:29, 7 July 2006 reply to POV-pushing warning by myself signed "KraMuc", statement "up to the present day none of the physical theories tought at universities worldwide is capable to explain the elementary particles and their mass spectrum" similar to pushers of Heim theory,
 * 13:07, 27 June 2006 signs "Knäckebrotfabrikant.it" (literally "crisp bread maker")
 * 13:07, 27 June 2006 signs "Knäckebrotfabrikant.it" (literally "crisp bread maker")
 * 13:07, 27 June 2006 signs "Knäckebrotfabrikant.it" (literally "crisp bread maker")


 * The retail.telecomitalia.it anon

Likewise registered under Telecom Italia S.p.A.
 * (geoloc near Ferrara, Italy at 90%)
 * 23:23, 24 June 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 23:23, 24 June 2006 signs "KraMuc"


 * The business.telecomitalia.it anon

This domain is also allegedly registered to Interbusiness under Telecom Italia (but has a bogus registrar)


 * 10:54, 8 July 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 01:56, 27 June 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 01:56, 27 June 2006 signs "KraMuc"
 * 01:56, 27 June 2006 signs "KraMuc"


 * The atlanet.it anon

This domain is allegedly registered to Atlanet S.p.A. in Rome (but has bogus registrar)


 * (geolocated Genoa, Italy at 85%)
 * 02:17, 27 June 2006 signs "KraMuc". (All the edits of this anon occur two days after KraMuc was permabanned.)


 * PaolaDiApulia edits

As
 * 1) 11:15, 14 September 2006 Tries to rebut talk page comment about KraMuc's behavior, saying "the longer I think about his ideas the more I get the impression that at the end he might be right." This may suggest wikishilling to some observers.  Note the somewhat mangled English diction.
 * 2) 02:05, 24 July 2006 Another sarcastic reply to inquiry about possible sockpuppetry. As usual with socks, this user avoids direct denial.
 * 3) 03:18, 20 July 2006 Continues KraMuc's edit war by deleting entire section "Mainstream critiques" from Modern Galilean relativity.
 * 4) 03:23, 20 July 2006 Sarcastic reply to inquiry whether he/she is socking for KraMuc.
 * 5) 02:33, 19 July 2006 This user's very first edit is a complaint about "suppression" [sic] of KraMuc, similar to ones signed by KraMuc


 * Alarich di Busento edits

One of the anon IPs noted abovem has been used only to leave a message at User talk:Jimbo Wales asking that KraMuc's permaban be overturned by Jimbo Wales and to vandalize my notes on the KraMuc case. There is no doubt since this anon signed himself "KraMuc".

One of the new suspected sockpuppet accounts, is also a single use account, used only to leave two messages at User talk:Jimbo Wales supporting the plea by KraMuc and deprecating comments by other users:
 * 1) 10:31, 7 September 2006 Sarcastic comment dismissing another user's negative comments as not coming from a physicist


 * See also


 * Suspected sock puppets/KraMuc
 * Articles for deletion/Anti-relativity AfD for article created by KraMuc (now deleted)
 * User:Hillman/Dig/KraMuc (personal notes from which this page is heavily refactored)
 * User:Hillman/Dig/Licorne (notes on another Einstein revisionist, also permabanned; probably not a KraMuc sock, but KraMuc has edited an article created by Licorne)
 * Friedwardt Winterberg (article on another Einstein revisionist, not suspected of being KraMuc, but KraMuc has edited this article in a manner sympathetic to their common point of view)
 * Christopher Jon Bjerknes (article on another Einstein revisionist, not suspected of being KraMuc)


 * External links


 * Did Einstein cheat?, by John Farrell, Salon, July 6, 2000. An excellent survey of some crank attacks on Einstein and relativity, which gives the big picture of attacks on relativity and on Einstein.

End of KraMuc (2nd) (sorry, I can't fix the munged indents)