Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Landau7 (2nd)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Landau7 (2nd)

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by Drumpler 19:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the evidence is pretty much self evident here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:God_and_gender
 * Evidence

I filed a report on these two in the past on over the Mishpachah Lev-Tsiyon article. One admin wasn't even sure how to handle it although as one sees, they have different IP accounts. The two likewise have very similar contribution histories.

I think the most likely scenario is that they meatpuppet and sockpuppet one another and that they are not the same person, but friends. I think this should be fairly straight forward and not require a detailed explanation. The last report was inconclusive because they didn't share IPs, but I think in this case, it is evident. Drumpler 19:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * The new 'evidance' of that talk page shows only 1 time that the two posted in the same thread under "Jerome's Commentary on Isaiah 11 & Ante-Nicean Fathers". I don't see how this can possibly be taken as any new significant evidence. And even then what part of all this is in violation of WP:SOCK? I don't see the accounts ganging up on anyone, at best they are used one at a time and don't appaer to be doing so votestuff/break 3rr etc.--Dacium 22:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Landau7 and Lil'Dummy have held virtually the same opinion on every thread they've both participated on. It is to be understood in the light of my previous report. Their opinions, on the entirety of that talk page, are the same: "The Holy Ghost is female" and they're trying to push that for inclusion in the article. It should be noted that Landau7 is a little bit more laid back on this thread, but the two have a history of "tag teaming" and where Landau7 does participate on this thread, it is to back Lil'Dummy's own position (read the thread in its entirety). Is this not the definition of sock puppeting/meat puppeting? Is there anything else that I might need to back my case? Once more, check their contribs -- virtually similar editing histories. Drumpler 01:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I included a 5th footnote above that shows the Lil'Dummy contributions. I accidently showed the uaasun contributions instead -- this should clear up confusion. Drumpler 02:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops didnt even notice that, now the evidence is... overwhelming!--Dacium 16:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but should I have retracted it? Landau isn't participating on the thread in question anymore, but there's a possibility it could happen again. Drumpler 17:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Definition of Meatpuppet

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Meatpuppets


 * A related issue occurs when multiple individuals create brand new accounts specifically to participate in, or influence, a particular vote or area of discussion. This is common in deletion discussions or controversial articles. These newly created accounts, or anonymous edits, may be friends of another editor, may be related in some way to the subject of an article under discussion, or may have been solicited by someone to support a specific angle in a debate. Wikipedians also call such user accounts single-purpose accounts, because whereas committed Wikipedians are usually active on a range of articles, and their aim is to see a balanced growth in articles and in the encyclopedia as a whole, single-purpose accounts come to Wikipedia with one agenda.

Again, in light of their previous history on the Mishpachah Lev-Tsiyon page, the two team up when they have a vested interest in the same subject. MLT (their religion) believes the Holy Spirit is female (I posted a few links to the official website on the talk page for the God and gender discussion), so they're going to support it. The evidence would seem to suggest that they intentionally tag-team for that purpose. Once more, I refer you to their edit history. Drumpler 02:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Conclusions
 * I don't see evidence that these accounts are being used to circumvent policy; if there is such evidence, please supply specific diffs of something like a 3RR violation or vote stacking. The problems on these articles really need to be addressed through WP:DR, not through attempts to get an editor blocked. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)