Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Liam7


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Liam7

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Suspected sockpuppets

Chris 16:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC) Hoverfish 16:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Report submission by:


 * Evidence

There is very stong evidence that User:Liam7 has recently created 3 sockpuppets for the purpose of voting on the Talk:Meher Baba page, beginning with two under the heading "Call for a Vote on Townshend Issue" and adding a third one further down the page on a second vote initiated by Liam7 without prior discussion.

Imogen4 and Waylander.one appear to be sockpuppets created on December 2, 2006 for the purpose of voting. See. HectorTroy appears to have been added on December 3 for the vote further down the page. 

The IP address of Liam7 is 203.26.122.12. See User talk:203.26.122.12. This is known because Liam7 accidentally referred to his own remarks on the Talk:Meher Baba page under the 203.26.122.12 address without signing in, and then appears to have concocted a story to cover it up. The user 203.26.122.12, or someone using that IP can be found in the history of its talk page removing warnings about vandalism and harrassment. So all of the complaints of abuse are not immediately represented on the page.

Liam7 appears to have created exotic personalities for two of the apparent sockpuppets. I quote here from Talk:Meher Baba.


 * ''Imogen is using a computer that has been used by other people. She told me she forgot to log on when she wrote the first message, then logged on, clicked Edit again, and changed the numbers that had appeared when she clicked the 'your signature with timestamp' previously when she hadnt logged on. She is very bright, but very busy. Oh she is real, tall, slim hips, green eyes, graceful but strong too. Yes Imogen exists. The reason the IP user 203.26.122.12 has a history is that as I said whoever this was used this office at some previous time. --Liam7 09:51, 3 December 2006.

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 * As for Waylander, well he is an old soul, who trys his hand at anything and usually does very well. We meet, us three and discuss matters over a good red wine. So he's entitled to vote. I would call him a 'Baba liker'. Not a man to cross Im afraid. Big man. Im here in defence of my esoteric wayfarers to defend against these outrageous allegations. Esp since I got them involved, sort off. --Liam7 09:55, 3 December 2006.


 * Waylander just called me to say that he tried to fix the numbering of Imogens vote, as it wasnt reading correctly. He wisely gave up this attempt, being somewhat computer challenged. Having read the above fuss he thought this might be important. --Liam7 10:10, 3 December 2006

More evidence that User:Liam7 is the source of these suspected sockpuppets is that Liam7 removed the original suspicion of sockpuppetry warning templates on December 4, 2006 from both Imogen4 and Waylander.one user pages almost immediately after they were placed. See.

Chris 15:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to add that there may be a second, private computer involved, as the suspected puppet "Imogen4" wrote about "Liam7": You will see my computer is about 7 kms from his place.  In my opinion Liam7 felt cornered and went to a public computer (Southern Systems, SA Government) and made up the rest from there. The past edits of IP 203.26.122.12 do not seem connected to Liam7, in style or in topic of interest. Also if Liam7 had experience of all these previous edits, he would have known better. Hoverfish 16:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

On December 5, 2006 Liam7 added a note to Talk:Meher Baba that his actual IP is 203.221.55.142. To see the history of that IP go here: Chris 14:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * On the 17th of Dec. a new user, User:Trojan.Hector appeared for one edit only (see ). I don't know what to make of it, but this "new user" expressed support for one of Liam7's arguments. Hoverfish Talk 15:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Comments

Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. The Ip of Liam7 is not the one quoted above 203.26.122.12. It is 203.221.55.142. See discussion page re note to Chris. It is also well known, because I have made it so, that Imogen4's computer, when used without signing on, comes up with 203.26.122.12. Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. This number 203.221.55.142. is not generated from a public computer. These computers (Southern Systems, SA Government) are not public. Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. Australian slang is used commonly in ....duh...Australia. This is not evidence. Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. The little marks -- appear on these computers when the 'signature with timestamp' is clicked. It may be an anomoly where you are from but watch this, --Liam7 03:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC) I just clicked the 'signature with timestamp'. The computers at (Southern Systems, SA Government) where Waylander and Imogen work do the same.
 * Imogen and Waylander have been involved in Baba for sometime. they know more than many editors about this topic. They have recently signed on to Wikipedia. People have to start somewhere....or do you want a litle exclusive club? where you can do what you like. Lets get the paronoia to acceptable levels.

Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. I removed the sockpuppet signs as they were slurs on these people. OK now that I know policy they will remove thme in the correct time. I will not also edit any of their stuff, even though they said OK. Watch the new history. they will edit from different computers to mine, using their mnames. Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. Someone above wrote. 'Liam7 appears to have created exotic personalities for two of the apparent sockpuppets.' Oh for pitys sake, is your life so unexotic. The web can self perpetuate rubbish by referencing other sites spouting the same rubbish. Show me real evidence, not Nah Nah na na na fluff. Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. Hector.Troy ??? never meet him! Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. Hooverfish says 'Also if Liam7 had experience of all these previous edits, he would have known better. Hoverfish' Ahhh hello theres another way to view this, Liam wasnt there. Imogen didnt log on. There was an old user with history ON THAT computer. Hooverfish why dont you cross reference Chris on this one and thereby make it a fact. Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. Whole conversations put in as fact. What for? Evidence of slang? Is that a crime too? Imogens from Norway originally, she dosnt do slang too well. Thats obvious. This proves nothing. Busted. Falsehood rebuked in above evidence. Above it is written 'There is very stong evidence that User:Liam7 has recently created 3 sockpuppets for the purpose of voting on the...' Exactly where is this evidence?? Show me the evidence Liam7 03:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Additional material.

This is from the discussion apge.

Did you notice you have -- before your name? Watch out Hooverfish knows this means you are a sockpuppet Liam7 07:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * My user name is Hoverfish and I do not think you are in a position to know what I know or what I think. I know Nemonoman to be a long time editor and I do not know or think he is a sock puppet of himself. Hoverfish 08:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Conclusions

Case proven. The 3 accused sock puppet accounts are clearly single purpose accounts made to participate in the straw poll - they have made no contributions to any other subject. If by chance they are from different actual human beings recruited by Liam7, then they're the definitive case of meat puppets, and in something as unambiguous as this, arbcom has ruled we can treat them similarly. In any case, they're accounts created for the single purpose of disruption of a straw poll. Blocking all 3. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 04:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)