Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Merzbow

User:Merzbow

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by

I Write Stuff (talk) 19:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Extremely uncommon linguistic characteristics: - “muhahahaa now you know my IP” - “muhahaha now everyone knows my IP” - “Sheesh, both sides are off-track here.” - “Sheesh. This is a big waste of time. Wikipedia is seriously getting off-track…” - “At least until there are new FACTS.” -“…should be allowed to quote FACTS about what
 * Evidence
 * 1) Supergreenred:
 * 1) Merzbow:
 * 1) Merbow:
 * 1) Supergreenred:
 * 1) Supergreenred:
 * 1) Merbow:

Though the two users are extremely close in proximity, they have no shared edit period:
 * April 13th
 * Merzbow
 * 5:35 -> 6:04 (6)
 * Supergreenred
 * 08:05 -> 9:21 (6)
 * Merzbow
 * 18:05 (1)
 * Supergreenred
 * 21:07 -> 22:01 (15)
 * April 14th
 * Supergreenred
 * 00:04 -> 00:17 (7)
 * Merzbow
 * 00:29 -> 00:47 (6)
 * 08:04 (1)
 * Supergreenred
 * 09:44 -> 11:22 (14)
 * Merzbow
 * 18:09 -> 23:54 (5)
 * April 15th
 * Merzbow:
 * 1:15 -> 1:28
 * Supergreenred
 * 4:56 -> 11:31
 * Merzbow
 * 17:39 -> 22:51
 * April 29th
 * Merzbow
 * 3:15 -> 3:19 (3)
 * Supergreenred
 * 5:56 -> 6:02 (2)
 * Merzbow
 * 7:51 -> 22:16 (16)
 * April 30th
 * Merzbow
 * 00:01 -> 3:13 (12)
 * Supergreenred
 * 7:00 -> 8:00 (7)
 * Merzbow
 * 18:09 -> 23:47 (17)

Merzbow's IP, 24.6.226.115, was revealed here and when cross referenced is:
 * General Information
 * Hostname	c-24-6-226-115.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
 * ISP	Comcast Cable
 * Organization	Comcast Cable
 * Geo-Location Information
 * Country	United States
 * State/Region	CA
 * City	Union City
 * Latitude	37.5963
 * Longitude	-122.0658
 * Area Code	510

Supergreenred accordingly is: 66.248.83.157
 * General Information
 * Hostname	14-157.143.popsite.net
 * ISP	PaeTec Communications
 * Organization	PaeTec Communications
 * Geo-Location Information
 * Country	United States
 * State/Region	CA
 * City	San Jose
 * Latitude	37.3073
 * Longitude	-121.8569
 * Area Code	408

Placing both in very close geographic range. Combined with Merzbow's apparent knowledge of how to circumvent a checkuser through a work PC, it all adds up to be a bit troubling.

Both users also use when referencing other users on talk pages:

Habit of using "its" instead of "it's"
 * Merzbow -
 * Supergreenred -

This evidence was derived from a recent case involving Giovanni33. They were accused by Merzbow of being a sockpuppet master of Supergreenred. After examining the contribution history, it appears that Merzbow is more likely to be a sockpuppet master then Giovanni33. Merzbow and Giovanni both live in the same geographical region. This makes Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Giovanni33, damning to both cases. Giovanni33 and Merzbow have had extended conflicts and Merzbow is apparently familiar with how to use "remote desktop" to circumvent Checkuser.
 * Comments

This seems very close to a previous incident I just seen unfold on WP:ANI a short period ago: Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive414 in which one editors was attempting to have another editor banned by creating fake evidence of sockpuppetry.


 * I think that you need more evidence than that. I think that if Merzbow wanted to make a fake account as you say, he could have done a better job of pretending to be Giovanni. Or he could have pretended to be a meatpuppet and "confessed". I think that for such severe allegations, especially as AFAIK Merzbow hasn't been caught using puppets in the past, you need more. A few coincidences isn't evidence of much. John Smith&#39;s (talk) 19:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Except that a meatpuppet wouldn't confess, and such a confession would obviously be suspicious. This is also more convincing evidence then that linking Giovanni33 to the account. I think it is only fair to have a 3rd party examine the evidence, which is extremely convincing. You supported that "its" instead of "it's" was proof that Supergreenred was a sockpuppet of Giovanni, not linguistic characteristics like "Sheesh" and capitalizing words when they are attempting to drive a point. Merzbow actually has a history of this that can be presented if necessary. Further an ISP that Giovanni would have access to, Merzbow would as well. As to if he has been caught previously, that is not a determining factor in if he is currently using a sockpuppet. The fact that they live 20 miles from each other, and never have edited at the same time is quite telling as well. Finally, while the case is pending and it is most damning for it to continue, the sockpuppet continues to post from the same ISP, but now as an IP, only hurting Giovanni33 more. --I Write Stuff (talk) 19:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually a meatpuppet may well confess if he/she didn't want to be indef blocked and wanted to keep editing on topics they were interested in. Not everyone is an ISP-whore - some people stick with IPs. So they say they made a mistake and were tricked into helping someone who said it would never be traced back to them. The worst that would happen is that they'd still be blocked.
 * By the way, you haven't addressed those other suspected sockpuppet accounts. All you've done is suggest both Merzbow and Giovanni need to be sanctioned. John Smith&#39;s (talk) 20:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a page to check a sockpuppet, I noticed extreme similarities, and feel they warrant a check. This is not a place for you to continue your personal issue with Giovanni after your last Arbcom situation, nor is it a place to sanction editors over article content. If you do not mind, perhaps you can be patient and let the admin look at the evidence. --I Write Stuff (talk) 20:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * As explained here, the three examples above all come from one SGR post (his only one after the case opened) that is an obvious headfake by G33's sock (see Requests_for_arbitration/Giovanni33/Evidence). - Merzbow (talk) 00:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you account for "lets" which you yourself say is proof that Supergreenred is Giovanni33. Yet you share the same common misspelling. Also you seem to not discount anything else. --I Write Stuff (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gee, this again (the 3rd place you've posted this)? Again, your understanding of grammar is flawed. - Merzbow (talk) 00:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

This is frivolous abuse of process in an attempt to disrupt an ongoing Arbcom case involving G33. I advise any checkuser admins to take this into account. Jtrainor (talk) 00:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not sure why you are trying so hard, the whole Merzbow supporting cast, if its sure to come back false. --I Write Stuff (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sometimes if one throws enough mud at a wall, some of it will stick. Even if it is 99.9% likely that nothing will come of this, the 0.1% chance of someone being tricked is not acceptable. That's why people have commented here. John Smith&#39;s (talk) 07:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not that I am accusing you of bad-faith btw - just indicating how even unlikely eventualities need to be protected against. John Smith&#39;s (talk) 08:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Conclusions

FYI: has been indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppet of a banned user. 'Nuff said. Now can somebody remove this joke? - Merzbow (talk) 04:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just because a sockpuppet said something doesn't automatically make it untrue. Z i g g y   S a w  d u s t  18:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * He was shown the door to the project specifically because he had a prior history of following around and harassing contributors - exactly what he did here. But if you find accusations by such sockpuppets against editors with empty block logs and multiple featured articles to be useful, by all means... - Merzbow (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Checkuser Thatcher has stated that Merzbow and are ❌. at ANI and also at the Merzow checkuser case.  So, yes, it is time to close this. Cardamon (talk) 05:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Groundless report submitted by block-evading sockpuppet. Archived. MastCell Talk 22:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Enough