Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/MiltonP Ottawa

User:MiltonP Ottawa

 * Suspected sock puppeteer


 * Suspected sock puppets
 * -- Added by EdJohnston
 * -- Added by EdJohnston


 * Report submission by
 * TastyCakes (talk) 16:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Evidence
 * I have a suspicion that User:MiltonP Ottawa and User:Wayne Poirier are the same person. The latter account was created shortly after Milton vandalized another user's page and was blocked soon after.  Both accounts share a similar User Page and both are involved with edits on old TV shows where both have been deleting "Trivia" (it was an argument over this that got Milton banned).  The new account (Wayne) also jumped into accusations on my talk page in what seems to me a telling manner.  Anyway, I don't know if this is enough to prove anything, just thought I'd bring it up.
 * I would like to note that Wayne Poirier's account was registered before the first blocking of the alleged sockmaster. Caulde  19:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * I have notified both editors of this report. EdJohnston (talk) 17:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Another admin has indef-blocked MiltonP Ottawa for vandalism. This leaves us only Wayne Poirier to discuss here, and he has made only three edits. It would be hard to draw firm conclusions about socking on so little data without a checkuser. EdJohnston (talk) 20:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The similar user pages are a give away for sure, no? Compare: Milton and Wayne. They're both Canadians (I don't know the distance between their home towns) but meating is still very possible. The talk page comment by Wayne (Milton had undid an edit of TastyCake's on an Ottawan article) indicates something suspicious... I'm inclined to block Wayne as a sock, to be honest. Thoughts anyone? Scarian  Call me Pat!  01:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Since his latest edit suggests an intention to sock, and a willingness to change his IP to facilitate that, I'd be OK with an indefinite block. If he comes back again as a new user, though, we should request a CU at that time to put limits on the future abuse. EdJohnston (talk) 02:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The "hometowns" listed are not close to each other. However, it seems likely that Wayne is in Ottawa, since he's taking issue with my position on some Ottawa specific articles that I don't think are particularly well known outside the city.  TastyCakes (talk) 02:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm I'm starting to wonder if User:SmashTheState is not another sock puppet (or I suppose the "puppetmaster"). Wayne seems to be active at the same time and came to my page shortly after despite no direction to him from SmashTheState (over Wikipedia, that is). I suppose they could be BFFs in real life or something, but they have somewhat similar grammar, similarly short tempers and similar beefs with Wikipedians.  TastyCakes (talk) 02:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * In terms of style of writing, I would say Smash is similar to Milton (Smash here and Milton here, both have impeccable spelling and grammar). But I can't say more than that right now. I really have to get to bed (3 am!). If Ed is still around I am sure he'll keep going with this. Scarian  Call me Pat!  03:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, Milton has had accounts before as evidenced here in his first ever account edit. What new user knows how to cite straight away? Scarian  Call me Pat!  03:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * User:SmashTheState says he is located in Ottawa and identifies himself as Andrew Nellis. (Check out his elegant, though rude and confrontational user page). He may be on the edge of getting himself blocked for personal attacks, but he doesn't look like a sock of the other guys. He has done fewer than 20 edits in the last three months. He doesn't do borderline-vandal stuff like Milton and Wayne. He just argues a lot, insults people, but sometimes makes real contributions to articles. No need to block him as a sock, in my opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 03:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya I think you're right, they also seem to edit different types of articles. I also don't see much of a reason for SmashTheState to have a puppet account, although maybe he just likes messing with people.  At a guess he's just acquainted with the other guy.  Sorry I brought him up, guess I was just feeling in a suspicious mood.  TastyCakes (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to say, I find it amusing that I was considered a potential sock purely on the basis that he and I share a common facility with ordinary English grammar. But just incidentally, I notice "Milton" makes a common mistake with punctuation, using sentence-ending full-stops outside rather than inside closing quotation marks.  (PS to EdJohnston: Truth is considered a legal defence against libel.  If being forthright, honest, and accurate nets me a block for "personal attacks," then so be it.  "The attempt to silence a man is the greatest honour you can bestow on him.  It means that you recognize his superiority to yourself." -- Joseph Sobran) SmashTheState (talk) 06:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There's silencing a man as a compliment to his genius, and then silencing him due to rude and boorish behaviour. I for one welcome our Wiki-overlords and their superior intellects.  I can only hope they silence me next.  Watch now, as the puzzle pieces come together in their nimble fingers.  I feel a sudden urge to make a grammatical error in order to avoid being considered a puppet.  I are good speller 2.  --Nik (talk) 11:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

, a new editor, vandalized twice, here and here. I suggest adding this handle as another sockpuppet. — Erik (talk • contrib) 07:58, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * also seems a likely sockpuppet as per his similar vandalism of my user page. TastyCakes (talk) 16:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hoping to avoid having a never-ending list of similar socks, I filed Requests_for_checkuser/Case/MiltonP_Ottawa. EdJohnston (talk) 17:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks to checkuser, I have blocked one additional sock User:Milton P Terriwinkle. Nishkid64 confirms that MiltonP, Wayne and Terriwinkle are the same person. The two penis vandals (Bulbous and Mymeat) are unrelated. I think we should be near to closing this report now. Any other suggestions? EdJohnston (talk) 02:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to bring up an otherwise closed case, but it seems to me that User:Aurush kazemini is another sock of Milton. As his apparent buddy SmashTheState threatened here, Aurush is going through many of the articles I've edited in the past few months and nominating them for deletion, ,, adding obnoxious or insulting descriptions to minor edits of pages or just being a dick. I think on some of these articles he has a point, they are valid candidates for deletion, but it's pretty annoying that he's gone and made an account for the express purpose of screwing with articles I edit. Incidentally, the reason I don't think it's SmashTheState doing this is Aurush's edit [here], as Milton was a frequent editor of this article and others like it. TastyCakes (talk) 15:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions
 * Per this, the reference to "aspergers" gives it away for Wayne in Ed's diff above. I will unblock and then reblock Milton for socking and Wayne has been blocked indef for socking. Scarian  Call me Pat!  02:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Closing, nothing more to do. EdJohnston (talk) 22:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)