Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Ron liebman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Ron liebman

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer

Ron liebman user ID first appeared on January 30, 2007.

Indef blocked already, provided as additional documentation
-> First appeared April 22. CU confirmed ) -> First appeared March 24. CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 5.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 12.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 12.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 14.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 15. Claims not to be Liebman.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 15.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 15.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 15.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 15.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 19.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 20.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 9.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 8.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 8.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 22.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 22.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 17.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 14.  CU confirmed  -> First appeared May 23.  -> First appeared May 25.  -> First appeared May 25.  -> First appeared May 25. -> First appeared May 25.

Possible related IPs
-> he resumed using this on May 12, as soon as its 7-day block expired.

Report submission by
--Ebyabe 20:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Evidence
Though User:Ron liebman's account was blocked, he is manifesting through a variety of other user accounts and anonymous IPs. He always makes the same edits (primarily birth or death date changes), without providing sources in the articles. He only provides "documentation" in the edit summaries. He has been asked repeatedly, but never puts citations for his changes in the articles themselves.

He also changes the entry for the actor Ron Leibman to include how the actor is often confused with the baseball biographer Ron Liebman (note the reversed "i" and "e" between the names). (The user has, in fact, hijacked the names of several actual members of the Society for American Baseball Research in creating his sockpuppet accounts.)

Checkuser
A checkuser case has been run and confirms that as of May 23, 2007, the accounts listed are all sockpuppets. This reaffirms that the behavior-based identification methods used so far are accurate and correct.

Accounts affected
Non-Baseball related Escitalopram Elisabeth Hasselbeck Joy Behar The View

Baseball related Al Simmons Billy Hamilton (baseball player) Casey Stengel Harry Simpson Hideki Matsui John Henry Lloyd Rip Repulski Tony Kubek Victor Pellot Wes Westrum Whitey Ford

More baseball, occasionally vandalised by him 1935 in baseball 1936 in baseball 1940 in baseball 1960 in baseball 1961 in baseball Cap Anson Chief Bender Christy Mathewson Eddie Cicotte Edward Caraballo Ernie Banks Frankie Frisch Fred Haney Frisch Gil Hodges Harry Chappas Johnny Pesky Larry MacPhail List of Major League Baseball individual streaks Major League Baseball titles leaders Major League Baseball titles streaks Mike Sharperson MLB consecutive games played streaks Paul Dean Ron Santo Sam Jones (baseball) Sam Rice Vada Pinson

Comments
This has been going on since at least early April, with no signs of stopping. Even if all the accounts are blocked, I believe he'll continue through other accounts. But at least this way, there's an official record here of his activities, for future reference.

This is also the first time I've done one of these, so I hope I'm proceeding correctly. Please advise if you need more info or anything.

Oh, and he exceeds 3RR, if you count his various identities. And sometimes even when you don't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebyabe (talk • contribs)


 * He also reverts the Escitalopram article to an old, non-NPOV version continually. This is what originally brought him to my attention - I don't edit baseball-related articles, but some digging led me to understand that he has been a thorn in the side of baseball wiki editors for quite some time.  At any rate, this can be used as an additional check for the (almost certain) future sockpuppets.  Cheers, Skinwalker 01:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have sent an e-mail to the SABR organization, notifying them of the situation. My approach with them was to assert that a vandal is using fake ID's that are the names of SABR members. Wahkeenah 23:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A SABR representative got back to me, and I have directed him to this page to allow him to see what's been going on.


 * SABR, if/when you're reading - There are two possibilities here.
 * One, this is a set of legit SABR editors who are making correct (historically accurate) edits, but doing so in a manner incompatable with Wikipedia guidelines and rules. If so, please work with them to get them to engage us in a discussion on User talk:Ron liebman.
 * Two, someone is trying to impersonate a lot of SABR people, from New York City public libraries and related facilities. This seems rather annoying.
 * Please feel free to contact me on my talk page User talk:Georgewilliamherbert (or email via my user contact info on Wikipeda). I am the Wikipedia volunteer administrator doing most of the blocking of these accounts, though others are finding most of them and flagging them.  Georgewilliamherbert 23:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Conclusions

 * I'm not sure there's any point in keeping this report open; Checkuser has confirmed the socks, everything listed here is blocked. --Akhilleus (talk) 05:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Not all the articles are protected, and this guy has been inventing new ID's nearly every day. Baseball Bugs 06:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ron Liebman passed in 2023, so this page likely only has archival value at this point. https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Ron_Liebman 161.185.198.86 (talk) 22:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

This guy is also continually inventing sock puppets to edit the Baseball Reference.com/Bullpen still to this point. --71.197.115.41 20:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)