Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Ryan2845

User:Ryan2845

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


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Grey Wanderer | Talk 22:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Ryan2845 became involved an edit war at Kansas Jayhawks. After performing four identical reverts: (1, 2, 3, 4) on June 20th he was warned about 3RR by myself. Fourteen minuets after I warned him and eleven minuets before he removed the warning on his talk page an anon (64.136.205.87) performed the same revert. Several editors undid this reversion causing another anon (User talk:63.77.95.90|63.77.95.90). the anon edits were reverted again then one more anon 170.252.248.203 makes the same rv. This was also reverted. Finally User:TJones05 was created and performed the exact same rv as the anons here. This was TJones only edit.
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Yes I admit that a couple, but not ALL of those are me. Others are simply KU fans that are fighting this unnecessary edit to this page. You simply do not understand the situation. This typical sports rivalry bullsh*t. Fans of Kansas State University like rub in that KU is on probation to make us angry or to put down our university. He has cleverly deceived you to make it seem like this information belongs on this page.

Those edits do not fit the page whatsoever. The page is a list of accomplishments of the university's teams. Not a rap sheet! No other sports articles such as this include the MANY NCAA offenses.

I have never purposefully sockpuppeted before, and won't again. I'm washing my hands of this situation and moving on.

Ryan2845 (talk) 23:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This isn't an argument about the edit war/page content, I don't have a particularly strong opinion about that. This is an argument about whether or not you violated Wikipedia's sockpuppetry and 3RR rules, and by your own admission above you did.Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, my apologies. What is my penalty here? I'm hoping not a ban on those IP addresses, because one is my place of work (aka several thousand people on that IP)
 * I do not plan on breaking the rules again now that I am aware of the consequences.

I'm not sure what an admin will decide, but usually all involved accounts are banned for a certain period of time. However since you've shown remorse an admin might take that into account. As far as you being aware the consequences, perhaps not, but you were certainly aware of the rules. That said I think you're genuine in your apologies, so some advice, when editing it has been my experience that being logged is generally helpful. Editors treat you with less suspicion and your edit history is freely available. When involved in controversies, edit wars, and consensus forming you should probably always uses the same account, ip address, or at least disclose your multiple identities relationships. Anyways, at Kansas Jayhawks I understand your defense and I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but since several editors have expressed complete disagreement an reverted your edits, its best to use the talk page, before reverting, especially if you've already been warned about the 3RR. Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, I gladly accept your constructive criticism and will be sure to heed your advice in the future. I just got a little hot headed and wasn't thinking straight.
 * Once again, my apologies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan2845 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that a user with ip 99.10.87.254 has just removed the material involved in the edit war again. I just want to state for the record that it was NOT me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan2845 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I just want to say to the admins that while I admit I broke the rules, I was only doing so because I was attempting to protect the page from what I STILL see as vandalism. I've been protecting that page from vandals for months. None the less, I know I broke the rules and will accept whatever punishment. Again, my apologies. Ryan2845 (talk) 17:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I quote from the blocking policy:
 * Conclusions

"Blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, not to punish users. (Footnote: Blocks are not punitive in the sense that they aren't retribution. Blocks sometimes are used as a deterrent, to discourage whatever behavior led to the block and encourage a productive editing environment.)"

"Blocks should not be used solely for the purpose of recording warnings or other negative events in a user's block log. The practice, typically involving very short blocks, is often seen as punitive and humiliating."

Based on the letter and spirit of the policy, I see no reason to block Ryan2845. He acknowledged his mistake, and to the best of my knowledge, from reviewing his logs, this is his first offense. I will leave this page open for another few days to make sure that no further shenanigans occur on the Kansas Jayhawks page, then assuming that settles down, I or an administrator will close this page with no further action. Yechiel (Shalom) 02:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm closing this report per Shalom's recommendation. If problems recur with this editor, or strange editing happens on the Kansas Jayhawks article, the report can be reopened. EdJohnston (talk) 04:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)