Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Save Us 229

User:Save Us 229

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by

MegX (talk) 01:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Evidence

User:Indopug signed up for Wikipedia on the 24th of December at 06:19. Within 28 hours User:Indopug signed up for Wikiproject Led Zeppelin on the 25th. Before signing up to the project he removed an edit on the project page. User:Indopug has not added any new articles to Led Zeppelin. For someone who has just signed up for Wikipedia and a WikiProject, given the comments he has left on my Talk page, he certainly knows more about the processes than a newbie editor would. However it became apparent to me this more than a new user. User:Indopug disagreed with my template image and that I should change the image on it back to the old one. The one he uploaded here. I told him the reason why I couldn't was because of copyright, so I used what I thought was a free image. User:Save Us 229 then deleted the image I had placed on the templates. The image was replaced by User:Indopug then calling my template "grotesque". I then examined the edit history of User:Save Us 229 and noticed that since User:Indopug joined the Wikiproject, User:Save Us 229 has been targetting Led Zeppelin images. This is strange considering many of these images have been pretty much left untouched for years. I then compared edit histories between both users and noticed a high correlation of editing blocks. A form of "tag-team" editing. More often than not one logs off, one logs on. Below is an example of a seven day period.

With sole exceptions of stray edits that fall out of these blocks:

25th of December User:Indopug starts at 05:21, edits until 19:47 User:Save Us 229 who normally edits everyday is strangely absent during this mammoth block of 14 hours by User:Indopug

26th of December User:Indopug starts at 04:37, edits until 15:20 User:Save Us 229 starts 15:50 edits until 17:26 User:Indopug starts at 18:20 edits until 18:39

27th of December User:Save Us 229 starts at 00:16, edits until 02:38 User:Indopug starts at 05:35, edits in spurts until 23:07 User:Save Us 229 is absent in Indopug's 19 hour stint.

28th of December User:Save Us 229 starts at midnight, edits until 03:53. User:Indopug starts at 07:09, edits until 09:34 User:Save Us 229 starts at 17:40, edits until 23:00

29th of December User:Indopug does not edit for the whole day User:Save Us 229 edits in three blocks (05:11-05:21, 17:07-17:09, then 19:11-23:33)

30th of December User:Indopug one block 10:14-10:30 User:Save Us 229 starts 00:33, edits until 03:45, then again 17:56-23:58


 * Comments
 * Please, run a checkuser, I don't care, because that's not me, I've never heard of this user Indopug outside this case. I would like to see what violations of policy you think either me or Indopug broke because I seriously doubt that you could. Furthurmore I'm not even interested in Led Zeppelin, I could care less, I care about removing violations of non-free content and I did so. — Save_Us _ 229  01:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You admit you're not a fan of Led Zeppelin. I believe you. I also believe User:Indopug is not a fan either.MegX (talk) 01:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He's not? How many non-fans of Led Zeppelin join the WikiProject? His userpage and his edits seem to signify that he is remotely interested in editing their articles. I'm not. I'm interested in violations of fair use being removed and editing pro wrestling articles and other policy-related work. Do you actually have any proof whatsoever other than me not editing Wikipedia at certain times? — Save_Us _ 229  01:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * (To MegX) The differences in the times these editors edit, may be caused because they live in different parts of the world? Also, just because Indopug knows a little something about wiki-process, doesn't mean he's someone's sock. Have you considered that he might have edited as an anon? Seraphim  Whipp 02:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, some of it doesn't make since. According to UTC time:
 * User:Indopug starts at 04:37, edits until 15:20
 * User:Save Us 229 starts 15:50 edits until 17:26
 * User:Indopug starts at 18:20 edits until 18:39
 * For those of you who don't know my location, I'll tell you what time it is locally for me according to the UTC:
 * User:Indopug starts at 11:37 p.m. and edits until 10:20 a.m.
 * User:Save Us 229 starts at 10:50 a.m. until 12:26 p.m.
 * User:Indopug starts at 1:20 p.m until 1:39
 * Ok, you want a conclusion? Locally for me, he started editing at 11:37 p.m. and edited until 10:20 a.m.. So I edit from 11:30 at night and don't end until 10:30 in the morning? Now in which part of that timeframe do I sleep if I am him? He could potentially be on the otherside of the world editing at those times. — Save_Us _ 229  02:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello everybody! Firstly, although this new username is new to wikipedia; I'm not. I used to have another username, but I changed it for non wiki reasons. I had no problem with the previous image on the template - the "Led Zeppelin" logo. If i remember correctly, that image was incorrectly tagged as free-use. However, I did have a problem with the old template because, well, it is grotesque. Anyway, as for not adding any new articles to the wikiprject, since when is that an important or necessary part of wiki-editing. I have never been rude and uncivil toward MegX and I believe she has a problem with me is because I didn't like the bureaucratic way she runs the wikiproject. indopug (talk) 05:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

And to make these allegations anymore ludacris, I'm in Florida, in the United States and he is from India. Explain that one MegX. — Save_Us _ 229  05:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Want definitive proof? This is my IP, I am Save Us 229. 74.235.136.188 (talk) 06:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This is me. — Save_Us _ 229  06:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * And this is indopug. 122.167.4.43 (talk) 06:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This is me indopug (talk) 06:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Me thinks this case is solved no less. — Save_Us _ 229  06:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ditto. indopug (talk) 06:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

There is almost no evidence here of sockpuppetry, let alone disruptive sockpuppetry. They both edited some WikiProject Led Zeppelin pages. One user not editing during a day is not evidence of anything. As far as I can tell, they have no articles edited in common and Save Us only seems to edit music related articles for WP:NFCC reasons. Mr.  Z- man  07:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Conclusions