Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Shehzadashiq

User:Shehzadashiq

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets

M12390 23:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
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Shehzadashiq and Muamshai have been supporting each other to maintain negative point of view on MQM, Altaf Hussain and related pages. The proof is Shehzadashiq's conversation with Muamshai in their respective talk pages, and his assertion "He only learnt it after seeing us use it."
 * Evidence

Dear M12390 the fact is that a discussion of using Tw which prohibits vandalism, is being used to vandalise webpages is what I found ironic. Furthermore the fact that all your prior edits were done manually and not using TW is an observation. Is this really your evidence?
 * Comments

You claim you want a NPOV on MQM and Altaf yet always revert back to anything which is not critical of either, please explain how this is NPOV. All points in the article were sourced so please submit some real evidence.Shehzadashiq 23:53, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

May I suggest you check I.P addresses, contributions before suggesting two seperate user accounts are sockpuppets.Shehzadashiq 23:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Shehzadashiq: Whether my edits were done manually or thru TW is a technical issue, and has nothing to do with the fact that you and Muamshai, together, are insisting on maintaining a negative bias on MQM and Altaf Hussain pages.


 * The fact that you insist on being "critical" is the very issue I am taking against you and Muamshai. Please read Wikipedia's NPOV tutorial and justify your insistence on being "critical" about MQM, Altaf Hussain or any other topic on Wikipedia.


 * Please familiarize yourself with the Sock puppetry page. Meat Puppetry is a subset of Sock Puppetry. You and Muamshai are engaged in Meat Pupetry, that is, collaboratively forcing negative bias to MQM and Altaf Hussain pages. I have not accused either you or Muamshai to be the accounts maintained be the same person. I have not studied that possiblity yet.

Dear [[M12390], you are merely accusing others of being sockpuppets because they do not share your view. As for my being anti MQM or Altaf would you prefer the following previous versions or rather yours where nearly everything relates soleyly to MQM's website including a literal word translation of his Urdu biography?

Old edits

Now please grow up and stop crying when things don't go your way.Shehzadashiq 15:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Shehzadashiq: Unless, a person is a celebrity from birth, the first step to create anyone's biography is to see what the subject has said (boasted?) about himself/herself. Once you do that, then you start questioning the inconsistencies and/or inaccuracies about what is promoted. Altaf Hussain is no Prince William of Wales. You are never going to be able to put together information about Altaf Hussain's earliy life and family background. What you can do is to bring reliable information which refutes Mr. Hussain's own claims, for example, if his grandfather was indeed City Mufti of Agra, or did Altaf Hussain just made it up. These kinds of things are much easier to prove or disprove compared to a news report where someone blames that so and so told/ordered him such and such. Such allegations are not admisable in any court of law.

Since I referred to Prince William of Wales, look at how the article is laid out. Yes, there are reports which are negative about him, but they are weaved into the narrative and the page has the possibility to evolve as a good encyclopedia page some day.

Your insistence on maintaining negative bias, from the get go, on MQM and Altaf Hussain will never allow the pages to become neutral and will never render the pages to be useful encyclopedia pages.

Don't let your obvious anti-Altaf Hussain and anti-MQM bais chip away the integrity of the Wikipedia system.

How about this.

1. You and I settle on your version to be the starting point. Then we allow it to be neutralized. 2. You and I settle on my version to be the starting point. Then we allow it to be neutralized.

In either case the resulting pages should move towards becoming readable, informative encyclopedia documents worthy of being "featured articles" instead of staying in the "start" level quality forever.

What do you say?

M12390 16:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I take option 1 to be the starting point. Any editing then needs to be approved in the discussion page as per policy before being incorporated into the main article. Any unapproved editing by either party makes the agreement null and void. What do you think?


 * As for being anti MQM or anti Altaf, I don't dislike nor do I hate him. In fact I like him as much as I like any Pakistani politician, which is to the point that they are public faces of political parties no more, no less. So to accuse me of not liking Altaf is a bit unfair because if I didn't like him then I would have happily allowed edits swearing at him. Since I didn't that means either I am not biased against or maybe I just don't think it's appropriate to swear in an article.Shehzadashiq 21:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

@M12390: First of all, You are most welcome to add this case in the following page => Suspected_sock_puppets. Administrators can check into this dispute as soon as possible.

Second, I am wondering why BBC links to Mr. Hakeem Saeed's murder trial, passage about Karachi Riots from MQM article, British involvement in Mr. Hussain's case submitted by Mr. Imran Khan, Canadian involvement in the immigration case of one of MQM's worker and controversy related to "Mohajir Rabita Council Threatens 12 Journalists" has been zapped from your edits? The same trend of zapping information has been noted in Mr. Hussain's article in your edits. Lines like which I quote: "...In 1953 a child was born in this household who bravely challenged the ancient, feudal-dominated political system..." makes article sound like a fan side, and is not recommended here. Muamshai 22:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Muamshai, anything and everything can be added to MQM and Altaf Hussain pages as long as they are done in a neutral manner, and NOT in a helter skelter, media trial manner, especially in the case of a living person's page. Please read Biographies of living persons. M12390 03:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Conclusions