Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Snowolf


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User:Snowolf

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets

Joie de Vivre 22:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Report submission by:


 * Evidence

Ti dave is an extremely new account. Their first edit was an edit made yesterday to my Talk page, on 01:27, March 4, 2007 (#1 in the numbered list below). This is the sequence of events:

1) Ti dave asks a question on my talk page about an edit I made on 20 Feb 2007 to the Dilation and curettage article, requesting that I personally contact them by email with my answer.

2) I reply that I don't generally make contact by email, and answer Ti dave's question.

3) Ti dave responds rudely, suggesting that I "unclench and revert" my edit.

4) I respond that I didn't appreciate Ti dave's tone, and requested that Ti dave take the discussion to the article's Talk page.

5) Ti dave creates this request for mediation.

6) Ti dave responds on my talk page without informing me of the request they made for mediation.

7) User:Snowolf takes the mediation case.

Joie de Vivre 22:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it suspicious that this brand-new editor knew how to check an edit history to determine who had made an edit, and that that editor had something so specific to say about it. Even if this isn't a sockpuppet of Snowolf, it looks a lot like a single-purpose account, and with the rudeness of their comments and their inappropriate request for personal contact, I think this is worth investigating. Joie de Vivre 22:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * Yes, I am a new User/Editor. I've felt no previous inclination to register and object to an Edit here at WP, and although I'm not totally familiar with the editing procedure, checking the history of a page is not Rocket Science. Again, I have no affiliation with Snowolf and I certainly don't feel the need to create a sockpuppet for addressing this situation. Ti dave 07:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I am really surprised by this. I haven't in any way took Ti dave's side in this mediation, or something like that. I've simply found a free (and simple, since it's my first mediation with the MedCab, even if not my first mediation at all) mediation case and see what happens! I've been accuse of sock puppetry! I really don't know what to think. I've got no problem if you want to file a checkuser on me, really no problem. I think I am a trusted member of the community in good standing, who is heavily (numerically, since I've done a good number of edits in a few months) contributing to this project. I really want to know what are "the rudeness of their comments and their inappropriate request for personal contact" means. It really doesn't fit my behavior here, in this case and generally. I thought I've been very polite :-) Well, I'm looking forward for a withdrawn, I'm sure that an accurate check of my behavior here will convince Joie de Vivre that I'm not a sock puppeteer. I have to remind you that you always have to Assume Good Faith. I don't see why you should believe that I am Ti dave. The mediation will continue, I hope. I still haven't any kind of involvement in this matter and I'm looking forward to solve this case. Rembmer, Joie de Vivre, always AGF ;-)

And, if your experience here at wikipedia will brought another time to submit a suspected sock puppets report, please post a notice on the user's talk page. I haven't received one :-( Happy editing,  Snowolf (talk)CONCOI  -  23:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Joie de Vivre, in my opinion, you haven't presented any evidence that Snowolf and Ti dave are the same person; you're basically asking for a fishing expedition. Moreover, you accuse Ti dave of unpleasant behavior, but you haven't alleged any violation of policy. Multiple accounts are allowed unless they're used for abusive purposes. I'm not an admin, so I won't close this discussion, but may I suggest that you withdraw it? --Akhilleus (talk) 23:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with the term "fishing". And I did think that an immediate request for off-wiki, IP-revealing contact was unsavory if not classically "abusive".  I would have rather submitted a report that didn't name anyone other than User:Ti dave as acting fishy.  Thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joie de Vivre (talk • contribs)


 * I don't think that the email stuff is so important. You didn't accepted it and that's all. I'm looking forward to mediate the related MedCab case, but I don't see what this report means. Why should he/she be a sockpuppet? Anyway, "fishing expeditions" means that you want to search for something but you don't know what. They're usually discouraged, and a checkuser is done only if the evidences are strong. Happy editing everybody,  Snowolf (talk)CONCOI  -  23:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, this board is not Checkuser--no one here can check IPs. To request those, you need to go to WP:RCU, but the evidence presented here isn't strong enough to justify a checkuser, which are only done when there's very strong evidence for doing so. There are significant privacy concerns associated with checking someone's IP, which is why only a few users are entrusted with the checkuser privilege--only 13 users have it on the English Wikipedia. So, since it seems that Snowolf is no longer under suspicion, may we close this case? --Akhilleus (talk) 00:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Joie, Ti dave's conduct seems annoying and perhaps inappropriate, but "abusive" would mean that he's violated a WP policy--and you haven't presented any evidence that he's done that. Snowolf is right about what "fishing" means in this context--to act on an allegation of sockpuppetry, we need a clearly identified master account, and strong evidence linking the master account with the puppet(s). If you're truly worried that Ti dave is a sockpuppet, the only thing to do is watch his conduct until you have enough evidence to present a strong case.

Closing, since Joie de Vivre doesn't seem to believe that Snowolf is the sockmaster. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Conclusions