Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Spinoza1111

User:Spinoza1111

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by

Hans Adler (talk) 11:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Lilith2396 restored an abusive comment by blocked user Spinoza1111 (who signs as Edward G. Nilges) that had been removed by others from Talk:Herbert Schildt. When reverted, Lilith2396 started to use the same kind of grandiloquent rhetorics that Nilges did previously, demonstrating a shared obsession about some of Spinoza1111's favourite topics (Adorno, Germans), and then explained why Spinoza1111 is right and everybody else is wrong. . In an edit war about the latter comment, Lilith2396 is immediately supported by User:116.48.169.246, an IP address from Hong Kong (typical for Nilges). Lilith2396's later edit comment "You therefore cannot remove my comments based on 'block evasion'" can be read to suggest that 116.48.169.246 is actually Lilith2396's IP.
 * Evidence

Lilith2396 also shares with Spinoza1111 the shape of the user name, interest in Ayn Rand (see Lilith2396's first edit), and a habit of inserting talk page comments in strange and confusing positions.  See Requests for comment/Lilith2396 for further examples of the ineffective rhetorical overkill that is so typical for Nilges.--Hans Adler (talk) 11:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Futher evidence:
 * See:
 * ANI discussion 1


 * ANI discussion 2.


 * Based on these threads, I blocked for six months on April 29. It appears to be Nilges' home IP and is static. Whois shows that the IP to be based in Hong Kong. Nilges also uses dynamic IPs to evade his block. See.


 * began editing on May 12, 2008. She has edited the checkuser request on Nilges. See Requests for comment/Lilith2396. She has a florid writing style similar to that of Nilges and she indignantly defends positions that Nilges has taken. Her first edit on May 12 was at Talk:Ayn Rand. She clearly was an experienced WP editor. For comparison here is the data on Nilges:.


 * See additional data at Requests for checkuser/Case/Spinoza1111, though the checkuser (so far) just says that Spinoza1111 is too stale to get information from. Nilges, due to his use of IPs, has steadily evaded his indefinite block of October, 2006 over a long period of time. EdJohnston (talk) 14:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments

Lilith2396 (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC): this case has no standing. Edward and I write in a similar fashion because we are educated and literate people whose written style converges based on shared affects: it's the demotic that's idiomatic. Our styles seem alike, and yes indeedy, "grandiloquent" because we both refuse moronization.

Furthermore, this bastard Adler is a vandal and an ethnic cleanser who removes discussion from talk pages based on his personal likes and dislikes. Anyone with actual experience in publishing in the real world, as opposed to little convenience store clerks.

Finally, even if I and Edward were the same person, I question the motivation behind these little Kangaroo courts. As it happens, in writing the Federalist papers, some contributors used pseudonyms which were in intent and in effect sock puppets to get around British censorship and overall tyranny. Today, anyone using an internet handle and concealing his identity, as Edward does not, is engaged in sock puppetry as regards his identity.

You hound, you harass, and you endanger meatspace reputations. When people, their good name ruined by creeps like amerindianarts and Adler, become sock puppets, they have in most cases every right to do so.

Edward is a contributor. Search for his earlier contributions by searching for Nilges with user checked. You are out of control creeps who spend more time harassing people than contributing, and you creeps have ruined wikipedia.


 * Well, you are certainly as obnoxious and ill-tempered as Edward Nilges. I suppose if the IP Lilith edits from resolves to Hong Kong, the account belongs to Edward. It's unlikely another editor from Hong Kong, unrelated to Edward, would edit the exact same articles and staunchly defend Edward.--Atlan (talk) 16:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * To be fair, Edward could have a friend. Judging by his behavior, however, I doubt it. TallNapoleon (talk) 03:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This comment is revealing. It's your own fear of isolation that causes you to engage in psychological transfer and projection.


 * You're a bunch of thugs who use the rules to get the results you want, and you deserve not the slightest respect from me nor Edward. You are the people who sit on your ass behind terminals and jerk yourselves off, endangering Kathy Sierra's physical safety, and the hard-earned reputations of people like Edward and Herb who actually accomplished something you could not, and for this reason attract your jealousy and rage.


 * You're nasty little men who are playing games with toys. The only problem I, or any decent person, has with your conduct is that you endanger not only the physical safety of women but the hard earned good name of men in the real world, and you do this because you are anonymous corporate drones unable to separate a good name from a fat paycheck.


 * You talk big about free speech, but as soon as someone like Edward presents a carefully written case, you, who are sloppy and ignorant writers who can't publish except here in moron heaven, use his literacy against him, appealing to the lowest common denominators in yourselves and others, the sort of people who cannot read and who have no attention span.


 * If I was your father, I'd kick your ass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilith2396 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Father? Don't you mean mother? Oops! Oh wait you're Edward, not really Lilith the woman anyways. What a surprise! Ethan a dawe (talk) 00:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Conclusions


 * The RFCU on Spinoza1111 has now been closed, since the data is stale. Based on the behavioral evidence supplied by Hans Adler when he opened this report, I'm blocking Lilith2396 as a sock of Spinoza1111 for 2 months. EdJohnston (talk) 01:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)