Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Standshown

User:Standshown

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Report submission by

 L a v e o l  T 21:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Standshown has been edit-warring on a number of articles and especially on 2: Neo-Nazism in Serbia and Ante Pavelić and has done it till the 31 December. On December 30 a new account was created (User:Stagalj) that immediately started warring on the same articles - here are all the reverts from both users on Neo-Nazism in Serbia Stagaji, then Standshown  and then again Stagaji,. The other article is Ante Pavelić where Standshown made reverts as follows   - that was untill the protection of the article. Immediately after protection expired there was (this is on December 31) and three days later Stagaji continued. Standshown had been previously blocked for similar edits and that might be the reason for the new user creation. It might be just coincidence, but an extremely suspicious coincidence. -- L a v e o l  T 22:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Evidence

The "evidence" above is just a frivolous attempt to eliminate me as an opponent in this discussion and in contributing to Wikipedia. I only share an honest interest with other editor (Standshown) in improving the quality of Wikipedia's articles. The Wikipedia's checkuser is free to confirm that I am not the one who uses the same Internet account as the other editor (Standshown).--Stagalj (talk) 01:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments


 * Just to add up: Immediately after his first revert Standshown provided references for his edits taken directly from Google books (where he most probably just made a simple search) and guess what Stagalj did after his first revert (or maybe a little bit later:  - obviously again google booked. -- L a v e o l   T 15:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I've contacted Stagalj. We learned that we live in two different cities, use two different IP accounts owned by two different ISPs.

As to the accusations above, the accuser is obliged to provide a sound proof that both of us used the Google Book Search engine and not, for example, Live Book Search, or Questia search, or a library commercial or proprietary book catalog search tool. One of the accepted proofs might be the format of generated search engine report like or   and the clear connection between the reports and our edits seen on the talk page. Also, the accuser is obliged to provide evidence that the edits are comming from the same IP account or that both accounts belong to (and/or are used by) the same person.

--Standshown (talk) 19:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the accuser is not obliged to provide non of this above. I have no privileges to see your actual IPs as the accuser is not an Admin. And the accuser meant that both of you have an almost identical way of providing references - I have not linked Google book cause it was meant as a principle not as the exact way you attained your sources. And as you might notice the accuser has not put the Google book stuff in the evidence section of the report.-- L a v e o l  T 19:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note The following ISP's seem to also be socks of this user: and .  Both of these are in the greater Washington, DC area and have made similar edits. --Strothra (talk) 03:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Seconded. This user seems to have an interest in WWII Serb related articles. Until New Year User:Standshown have been in edit war on 2 other articles Serbia (1941-1944) and Puppet state. He hasn't broken WP:3RR as far as I can see, but WP:Edit war is now policy. A single user using multiple accounts to hide the true state of the article (Neo-Nazism in Serbia and Ante Pavelić) is problematic .--Rjecina (talk) 21:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I think there is evidence of sock puppetry, but I am not completely convinced at this time. Therefore, I will file Requests for checkuser/Case/Standshown to see if that provides any further information. Jehochman Talk 20:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Conclusions


 * The checkuser result is that the two named accounts are ❌, however both have been logging out and using their IPs to evade 3RR or avoid scrutiny. That is not allowed.  I will warn both not to do that further.  There have been no fresh reverts, so blocking is not necessary.  Should edit warring resume, contact me and I will consider whether to apply blocks. Jehochman  Talk 20:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have issued warnings to both users. Hopefully this will be the end of it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jehochman (talk • contribs) 21:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)