Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Tobias Conradi

User:Tobias Conradi

 * Suspected sock puppeteer


 * Suspected sock puppets


 * Report submission by
 * andy (talk) 20:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Evidence
 * TopoCode edits the same kinds of articles as the banned user Tobias Conradi, i.e. country subdivisions. Especially both like to enforce a common naming scheme without consulting any local WikiProjects, as well as creating disambiguation pages en masse without fixing any of the links pointing there. Also clearly an experienced user despite being a new account, since he uses the abbreviations even I rarely known . While Tobias was a good contributor for his content, it was his inability to work socially which got him banned. Reporting him here doesn't mean I would mind him to be back, but sneaking back in isn't the right way for a banned user.

WikiProject Country subdivisions/Naming gives an overview about the articles Ahoerstemeier seems to refer to. Everyone can see what is the most common naming scheme, and decide if he likes to help WP here. "TopoCode edits the same kinds of articles as the banned user Tobias Conradi, i.e. country subdivisions." "creating disambiguation pages en masse without fixing any of the links pointing there "
 * Comments
 * Tobias Conradi edited 17375 distinct pages . Thus, there are likely lots of users editing pages that he did edit.
 * WP:SOCK/S II ... obviously frivolous ...
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADistricts_of_Nauru&diff=237940401&oldid=211432000
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADistricts_of_the_Republic_of_the_Congo&diff=237295087&oldid=208609488
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haplogroup_G2c_(Y-DNA)&diff=237171385&oldid=225766162
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA)&diff=prev&oldid=237171302
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russian_Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=237170995
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Snow_(novel)&diff=prev&oldid=237171179
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_airports_by_ICAO_code:_L&diff=prev&oldid=237167573
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Districts_of_Kars&diff=prev&oldid=237166178
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Cossacks&diff=prev&oldid=237166004
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zaza_people&diff=prev&oldid=237164212
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Democratic_Republic_of_Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=237164125
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caucasus_Campaign&diff=prev&oldid=237164013
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Democratic_Republic_of_Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=237163764
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_Army&diff=prev&oldid=237164297
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ottoman_Armenian_population&diff=prev&oldid=237165431
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pontic_Greeks&diff=prev&oldid=237165465
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vanand&diff=prev&oldid=237165669
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyprus_Convention&diff=prev&oldid=237162294
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Provisional_government&diff=prev&oldid=237162370
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russo-Turkish_War_(1828%E2%80%931829)&diff=prev&oldid=237162388
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Treaty_of_San_Stefano&diff=prev&oldid=237162446
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_War_of_Independence&diff=prev&oldid=237163550
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Crimean_War_Victoria_Cross_recipients&diff=prev&oldid=237162068
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kars_Province&diff=prev&oldid=237161812
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=February_2007_in_rail_transport&diff=prev&oldid=237161333
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007_in_rail_transport&diff=prev&oldid=237161195
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_State_Railways&diff=prev&oldid=237161113
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_cities_in_Turkey&diff=prev&oldid=237160954
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_cities_in_Turkey&diff=prev&oldid=237160758
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_airports_by_IATA_code:_K&diff=prev&oldid=237160678
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Provinces_of_Turkey&diff=prev&oldid=237160609
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Russia&diff=prev&oldid=237160129
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bosporus&diff=prev&oldid=237160277
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Russia&diff=prev&oldid=237160129
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andr%C3%A9_de_Longjumeau&diff=prev&oldid=237160430
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kars_Gyumri_Akhalkalaki_railway_line&diff=prev&oldid=237159548
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_cuisine&diff=prev&oldid=237159651
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk&diff=prev&oldid=237159868
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Historic_capitals_of_Armenia&diff=prev&oldid=237159050
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Siege_of_Kars&diff=prev&oldid=237159254
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kars-Tbilisi-Baku_railway&diff=prev&oldid=237159464
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tamar_of_Georgia&diff=prev&oldid=237158003
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transport_in_Azerbaijan&diff=prev&oldid=237158158
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crimean_War&diff=prev&oldid=237158225
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=International_E-road_network&diff=prev&oldid=237158732
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ararat_Province&diff=prev&oldid=237133702
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vardenis&diff=prev&oldid=237133571
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Getik_River&diff=prev&oldid=237133131
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Akunk&diff=prev&oldid=237132078
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lchashen&diff=prev&oldid=237132583
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lake_Sevan&diff=prev&oldid=237128796
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Administrative_divisions_of_Armenia&diff=237692064&oldid=234664200
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herlev&diff=238011361&oldid=234325376
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Districts_of_Nauru&diff=237940468&oldid=228179551

"Especially both like to enforce a common naming scheme" "without consulting any local WikiProjects" "Also clearly an experienced user despite being a new account, since he uses the abbreviations even I rarely known" "While Tobias was a good contributor for his content," "it was his inability to work socially which got him banned." "Reporting him here " "doesn't mean I would mind him to be back," "but sneaking back in isn't the right way for a banned user."
 * A very wide spread naming scheme, if you read WikiProject Country subdivisions/Naming. Following are some other editors that AFTER Tobias Conradi was banned support WP:NC:CS by MOVING articles, include User:Jbmurray (Nicaragua, Honduras), User:Blofeld of SPECTRE (Guatemala), User:Fvasconcellos (Guatemala, Honduras).
 * Nicaragua - Jbmurray
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boaco_Department&diff=228256453&oldid=202997059
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carazo_Department&diff=228256497&oldid=218985423
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinandega_Department&diff=228259961&oldid=223964893
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chontales_Department&diff=228256227&oldid=203038395
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Estel%C3%AD_Department&diff=228257085&oldid=203949873
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Granada_Department&diff=228256871&oldid=204411257
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jinotega_Department&diff=228256950&oldid=204681002
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le%C3%B3n_Department&diff=228257026&oldid=203004540
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Madriz_Department&action=history
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Managua_Department&diff=228257198&oldid=204951278
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Matagalpa_Department&action=history
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nueva_Segovia_Department&action=history
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rivas_Department&action=history
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=R%C3%ADo_San_Juan_Department&diff=228257272&oldid=203826143
 * Guatemala - Blofeld of SPECTRE
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alta_Verapaz_Department&diff=228227402&oldid=223591394
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baja_Verapaz_Department&diff=228227432&oldid=213544133
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jalapa_Department&diff=228227965&oldid=222491106
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jutiapa_Department&diff=228228011&oldid=226930954
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Izabal_Department&diff=228227862&oldid=223623467
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Huehuetenango_Department&diff=228227795&oldid=223826768
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guatemala_Department&diff=228227745&oldid=200484431
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Escuintla_Department&diff=228227700&oldid=217352466
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=El_Progreso_Department&diff=228260574&oldid=200771976
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chiquimula_Department&diff=228227538&oldid=216552951
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chimaltenango_Department&diff=228227487&oldid=200762065
 * Guatemala - Fvasconcellos
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quetzaltenango_Department&diff=228261023&oldid=215320991
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quich%C3%A9_Department&diff=228261194&oldid=218438383
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pet%C3%A9n_Department&diff=228260879&oldid=223517335
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Retalhuleu_Department&diff=228261334&oldid=177182626
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacatep%C3%A9quez_Department&diff=228261532&oldid=222344285
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zacapa_Department&diff=228262064&oldid=188003932
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Totonicap%C3%A1n_Department&diff=228261931&oldid=223412317
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Solol%C3%A1_Department&diff=228261763&oldid=206523912
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=San_Marcos_Department&diff=228261613&oldid=185522128
 * Honduras - Jbmurray,Fvasconcellos
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Col%C3%B3n_Department_(Honduras)&diff=228367456&oldid=228263621
 * Honduras - Jbmurray
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=La_Paz_Department_(Honduras)&diff=228367684&oldid=199020053
 * Honduras - Fvasconcellos
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Atl%C3%A1ntida_Department&diff=228263136&oldid=198795223
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Choluteca_Department&diff=228263418&oldid=198619903
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bay_Islands_Department&diff=228263275&oldid=226494599
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=El_Para%C3%ADso_Department&diff=228264014&oldid=198712417
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cort%C3%A9s_Department&diff=228263948&oldid=224735484
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comayagua_Department&diff=228263757&oldid=227869172
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francisco_Moraz%C3%A1n_Department&diff=228264169&oldid=198775256
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gracias_a_Dios_Department&diff=228264221&oldid=224250986
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intibuc%C3%A1_Department&diff=228264315&oldid=199004168
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lempira_Department&diff=228264419&oldid=224110014
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ocotepeque_Department&diff=228264494&oldid=224256336
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Olancho_Department&diff=228264555&oldid=219138259
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Santa_B%C3%A1rbara_Department&diff=228264700&oldid=224248877
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Valle_Department&diff=228264758&oldid=219242033
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yoro_Department&diff=228264931&oldid=218959572
 * For the only thing that maybe was controversial, I researched and saw that one user moved stuff against NC and I couldn't find any hint why, and that it was supported. . This user is inactive for some days already so I couldn't expect to get a reply in time. Stuff I did not move included the following, for which there was talk with locals by Tobias Conradi. So Tobias Conradi seems indeed to have talked with locals.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Regions_of_Denmark&diff=116946124&oldid=107968329
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Provinces_of_Italy&offset=20050529222009&action=history
 * This can happen.
 * I don't know much about that, but given he edited and created so many pages and things are still often where he put them, he cannot have been too bad in creating and moving.
 * This is your personal judgement. I cannot talk about that. Everybody can look into the block logs and discussions (except for what admins deleted)
 * For the record: You didn't report _him_.
 * sure? If he was so inable to work socially as you said above?
 * indeed. He should stay away forever or get unblocked by admin/ARBCOM.


 * Conclusions
 * Please perform a CheckUser. TopoCode (talk) 03:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note I don't what all of that verbosity above is intended to show, but if TopoCode is suggesting that Jbmurray or Fvasconcellos are sockpuppets of anyone, that's way off base (and I'll eat my hat). Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't quite understand this, either. (Admittedly, I'm writing this while very tired.)  I'm happy to confirm, however, that I'm nobody's sockpuppet.  My edits to these articles were prompted by Blofeld, who asked me to help out, as is documented here.  Though I'm far from thinking that such clean-up is the most important thing in the world, I saw no reason no to give a hand.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 07:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. Are you implying that we are somehow all sock puppets of Tobias? I think you'll find that I requested Jb Murray and Fvancellos to move the page as well as myself to get some kind of consistency across the world with subdivisions. I am responsible for the Central American naming now and I think you'll find I am the most active member of these wikiprojects if not the only member of some of them. I know there are many who agree with this naming convention  The Bald One   White cat 11:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I am very concerned that this editor is making sweeping changes, and deleting warnings and comments from his Talk page almost as soon as they are received. If he is not willing to engage here and explain himself, I suggest that blocking as a sock of Tobias might be considered. EdJohnston (talk) 22:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * sweeping changes - you can block me, but cannot block the changes. As Blofeld pointed out a lot of users support what Tobias did support, i.e. resolving false links and harmonising the naming of country subdivisions. I whish for Wikipedia there are more sweeping changes that are widely supported by the community of editors. Admin actions cannot stop these changes, they only delay them. What Tobias supported already 3 years ago is now implemented, regardless of the blocks. Even WikiProject_Indonesia/Naming_conventions now wants what Tobias did boldly starting implementing and what he got heavily critisised for. It is maybe a question of where someone is in the learning curve or how much prevision one has. I wonder what you think to achieve with blocking me. Individuals can easily create new accounts. If you think the individual behind User:Tobias Conradi and User:TopoCode (if at all there is only one behind each), is the same, than it is already proven that blocking of User:Tobias Conrad did not stop the indivdual behind that account. Maybe this individual already has ten accounts, or 100. Maybe it already has some admin accounts? You will never block all users from Berlin using IPs of Deutsche Telekom. Browsers and OS are easily changed. TopoCode (talk) 11:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Per the above, I have indefinitely blocked TopoCode as a sock of User:Tobias Conradi. EdJohnston (talk) 16:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)