Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Yidisheryid

User:Yidisheryid

 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets

Yossiea (talk) 15:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Report submission by

User seems to be a sockpuppet of YY. He follows YY around just to vote on AFD's that YY is against. IC's page was also edited by YY and this just seems to be a creation to stack votes.
 * Evidence

To Codify Further:
 * Both IndependentConservative and RabbiAdam appear to be SPA accounts, and are new users whose only contributions are to AfD's.
 * AfD Debates in which IndependentConservative and RabbiAdam take the same position as Yidisheryid:
 * For RabbiAdam | Diff (Only contribution)
 * For IndependentConservative, these diff's:, and.
 * However, IndependentConservative has made these contributions to AfD's in which Yidisheryid does not appear:,.
 * Just my two cents -- B figura (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I strongly deny this accusation, i never follow nobody, and i request this user to be warned not to spread false acusations against me--יודל 15:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * Can we do a checkuser to clearly and easily see if this is the case? This is a suspected case, not a certain case. I suspect you, that doesn't mean that I believe with 100% certainty. That is why we have this process. Yossiea (talk) 15:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that suspecting evil in others with a false unfounded accusation that i follow another user around, is indeed against the assuming good faith wiki principle and i would like u to be warned so that we can take your contributions in full perspective. Thanks--יודל 15:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Warn me for what? In addition, isn't odd that you post a welcome message on two users page and the only contributions from these brand new users are votes that you are following? Yossiea (talk) 15:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A warning not to disrupt wikipedia to make a point, and to assume good faith, and to sieze reporting for the admins as somebody who must be blocked, due to edit wars while i was not at any time involved with any user in an edit war, i do use the talk pages, and overall seize your constantly unfounded accusations on me on my talk page which i erase, i may take down unfounded warnings from my talk, if its not from an admin and with blatant unfounded accusation, It is also a lie that i welcomed 2 users, i sent 4 welcomes to suers i saw the talk red, some of those are long standing some of those are new. Yes did i recognise their red ink to a vote page, absolutely. I post welcome messages to everybody i am interested to get them invested in our project. Thanks--יודל 16:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

This does seem slightly odd to me. Usually new users don't jump straight into AfD's, and the fact that all of those AfD's follow Yidisheryid is odd. Not sure that it's enough to request a checkuser, but then I'm not too familiar with that process. Full disclosure: I've particpated in AfD's with Yidisheryid before (although I haven't consistently help the same opinions in said AfD's). -- B figura (talk) 17:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Those afd's involve was evidently heated and there is more then one user who voted there as their only edits in a very long time, this only says that we can consider allot of people sock or meat puppets, this does not in any way raise suspicions against me, i would like my name to be cleared of this by all means.--יודל 17:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * this user has apparently been editing the Yiddish WP since June 20, 2007 DGG (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way, is also a sockpuppet maybe? IZAK 20:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it would fit the pattern described above (in the sense that it was a new user who's page was only edited by Yidisheryid, and who has only participated in debates with Yidisheryid. No real proof there, but it is suggestive. -- B figura (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Again i have edited more then this 2 users pages, the reason was simple i did not like the red color their vote represented, it should not make the impression of one side against the other side, i believe a check user on my name should be done against all fellow voters not only those 2 mentioned above, and if i am found to vote 2 times block me from ever entering this project for life.--יודל 21:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I note that no immediate responses are to be expected over the Sabbath. DGG (talk) 06:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Yossiea, it is rather ridiculous that you've lowered yourself to this lame form of action against people who support Messianic Jews. That's what this really is about. You dislike Messianic Jews and you're trying to discredit all who support them. I am not a Messianic Jew. I am a Christian who runs the blog http://www.independentconservative.com/ see my bio at http://www.independentconservative.com/about/. Notice my blog name matches my user ID. I am not a "sock puppet" of a Messianic Jew although I love them as brothers and sisters in the Lord. That Lord being the Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God. God who was on earth in flesh, born of a virgin, died for the sins of mankind and resurrected to sit at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. All who beleive on Him shall be saved.IndependentConservative 17:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * RabbiAdam I am me, and no one else on this board. I was previously registered on here, but I suspect the management deleted the registration when they sided against the real CTOMC (http://ctomc.info) with the people who attempted to hijack the organization and presented the management with faked legal documents to support their case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RabbiAdam (talk • contribs)

Evidence to the contrary By accused user YY
Since all names involved have already proclaimed their innocence and have declared this argument of following others around as faulty and unconvincing i will try to proof why this whole accusation is happening and the motives of who reported it to show that User:Yossiea is indeed the puppet here who has opened a witch hunt against me and this report he submitted here is indeed garbage and has no merit and part of his bigger agenda to disrupt wikipedia with personal unfounded unlinked attacks on other users:

He constantly attacks me personal

 * 1)


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His accusations against me has no links

 * 1) it seems that YY is going against any chassidishe sect that is supposedly supportive of the State..
 * 2) Regardless of your attacks against myself. Guess what i have never ever attacked him that's why he has no links.
 * 3)
 * 4) here he starts a deletion process of an article i have writn just by saying: Not in accordance with WP:BIO  while i labored days and nights to create that, here u have it the last version since a gentile user deleted it on his word.

And its usually plain and simple lies

 * 1) Enough already! Your continuing to claim that you address the issues does not make it so.without discussing it on the talk page . By all means, look at the talk page. I don't really see you "heavily" using the talk page as you claim . Furthermore, he keeps claiming that he does utilize the talk page. I haven't really seen that . -->Guess what i have addressed every singe detail ad-homonym on that talk page.
 * 2) ruined this article with your edits, if i ruined it how come nobody has any problem with and nobody wants it changed?
 * 3) from articles that you have created yourself' guess what i never created that article all i said was that its not a speedy deletion since he is indeed notable!

He is actively involved and most of his edits is busy deleting articles i have heavily edited

 * 1) he does not even feel important to say one word just delete and finish . # # #
 * 2) doesn't even bother to say what he thinks is wrong, just piles up on other users to delete it.
 * 3) while i labored day and night to address all concerns here is the last verison.
 * 4) Doesn't even feel important to say one word just piles up and says per above--יודל 21:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Just reverts everything that i edit

 * 1) in silence
 * 2) or just screaming reverted stupid edits
 * 3) or simply calls my edits vandalism.
 * 4) or edits are extremely controversial

He spams wikipedia pages with comments to other users
calling me a vandal to get me blocked or Please see the article and talk page for yidisheryid's edits and POV pushing. user yidisheryid is trying to push his POV across and I've had to have the page protected twice already. I think YY just has an axe to grind with anything that smacks of any chassidishe sect supporting Israel. -->simply because i don't agree with him,

doesn't do anything else here lately but follow me
only reverting by his robot some minor edits.

My Conclusion
I don't want him blocked i believe his POV if we deal with it, (and i am ready and able to handle him) and balance it can contribute greatly to our encyclopedia, but i want him exposed for what he is, and take his accusations with a grain of salt. and perhaps a check-user on me and on him will show all his names to block them as seen fit which names he was a puppet under. --יודל 15:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Your evidence to the contrary is not evidence to the contrary. Yossiea (talk) 19:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * wait a day and i will finish providing all my evidence, its hard and very long process, but i will expose u in the end.--יודל 19:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The goal of this is not to expose me but to defend yourself against the sockpuppet claim. Yossiea (talk) 19:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct but one of the means to achieve this goal is to see what lays behind this accusation and its background, and everything will be crystal clear, that is i will be exonerated and cleaned and u may not be blocked but definitely exposed in the end of the day, so your future accusations will be taken for what it is worth.--יודל 20:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Suit yourself, but attacking me is not the way to defend yourself. Yossiea (talk) 20:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not attack u i just bring your words be my guest in deleting offensive language, i don't hate u and i do not love u i just believe your actions here has a lot to with the case at hand.--יודל 20:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yossiea has to be the liar in all of this. Because I am not a sock puppet, but Yossiea has falsely accused me of being one.  It appears I am not the only one who has been accused and had to note the assertion is false.  Yossiea is upset that YY has supporters who have come to verify his (YY's) group, because it is more significant a cause than Yossiea cares to admit.  I think for his false accusations it would be appropriate to block Yossiea.  Because Yossiea has obviously begun a biased effort, that even results in false accusations against new Wikipedia users and that does not promote the growth of Wikipedia.  I'm all for a "check user".  It will show the ISP I use and I will be happy to submit the bill from that ISP with my real name at the top, upon request from Wikipedia administrators.  I've already e-mailed Wikipedia once in opposition to the false claims that I'm a sock puppet.  That e-mail also shows the ISP that I use, given it was sent from my e-mail account with that ISP.  I'll even submit a cheek cotton swab, to have my DNA compared with YY's to prove we are not the same person.  I've got nothing to hide, but as a new Wikipedia user I feel people who make these false claims and debased efforts against innocent groups should not be tolerated and such people like Yossiea should be blocked.  Given my earlier comment was made on the Sabbath, it should only further prove I'm not YY.IndependentConservative 02:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am also ready to submit my online dsl bill for every admin who seeks to finalize this. And i also am urging and requesting a check-user be done on my name, and i would further request a check-user be done on Yosia's name although i disagree on the action, he should not be blocked if he was found to be a sock puppet, since he is an asset to our encyclopedia, and evidently is active here, but he should definitely be exposed for his vendetta against me, so like this new users will not be afraid of any shenanigans if they would see what lays behind it. Thanks beforehand.--יודל 12:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Conclusions
 * Clear meatpuppetry or sockpuppetry. Yidisheryid is blocked for 24 hours, the other accounts are indef blocked. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not at all clear. As 2 other admins have not reached this conclusion, case closed as consensus not reached.--יודל 14:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)