Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Yisraelasper

The two accounts were in full and independent operation since before the Miriam Shear conflict even started. Thus the accusation based as it is on Yisraeldov being a replacement for Yisraelasper is groundless.Yisraelasper Note the following before the discussion:===The falsified report of User:Italiavivi=== "Report submission by Italiavivi 02:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Evidence User:Yisraelasper was a single-purpose account who blanked, page-moved, and deleted information pertaining to Miriam Shear and Egged Bus Cooperative's Mehadrin (gender-segregated) bus routes in Israel. Yisraelasper's contributions cease altogether on May 2, 2007 [1] (after trying repeatedly to delete vandalism warnings from his User_talk page"

My contributions started on science so I did not have a single purposed account. If anything my single purpose has been about science and the Miriam Shear issue was a distraction. I removed biased language and made it clear that there were allegations. Italivivi deleted information that I posted. Italivivi did it and added biased phrasesology but when he did it he didn't call it bias. Any information deleted assuming I did delete it would have only been after Italivivi deleted my corrections on that information. Also deletion in and of itself doesn't mean you are eliminating information. There are controversies about whether something is true. The page move I did as a last resort and did not realize that I had done anything objectionable assuming I did. I had been unaware about there being an Egged Bus article. Right now I do not know what it says so I could not have contributed to it.

"[2]) and Yisraeldov's contributions begin a month later"

Wrong Yisraeldov's contributions I now see from his home page stated in June 2006 which was even before the Miriam Shear incident.

"[3]. Yisraeldov has since appeared at Egged Bus Cooperative objecting to the section on Egged's gender-segregated bus lines and defending Chareidi support for gender-segregated lines. Italiavivi 02:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)"

Assuming that's true, fine. I don't feel the need for seperate seating. I don't know what Yisraeldov's opinion on it is. I never read it. I never knew there was a person called Yisraeldov. I don't know his email address. My Hebrew name is (Yisrael) (Dov) (Shmuel). No one has called me Yisrael Dov. They can but it hasn't been done yet.

A simple checking into the facts could have been done. Italivivi falsified the evidence and on his Userpage he took Yisraeldov's protest and titled it as User:Yisraelasper and User:Yisraeldov. This is seen from the history section. Where Yisraeldov's original posting on Italivivi's page is I don't know.User:Yisraelasper

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 * Suspected sockpuppeteer


 * Suspected sockpuppets

Italiavivi 02:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Report submission by

User:Yisraelasper was a single-purpose account who blanked, page-moved, and deleted information pertaining to Miriam Shear and Egged Bus Cooperative's Mehadrin (gender-segregated) bus routes in Israel. Yisraelasper's contributions cease altogether on May 2, 2007 (after trying repeatedly to delete vandalism warnings from his User_talk page ) and Yisraeldov's contributions begin a month later. Yisraeldov has since appeared at Egged Bus Cooperative objecting to the section on Egged's gender-segregated bus lines and defending Chareidi support for gender-segregated lines. Italiavivi 02:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Evidence

If Yisraeldov is simply Yisraelasper seeking to "start fresh" on a new account (perhaps to escape the stigma of vandalism warnings on his/her User_talk page), that's fine. It should be made public if he/she is going to resume editing the same controversial topics, though. If Yisraeldov is not Yisraelasper, I apologize, but hope he/she can understand why he/she would be suspected. Italiavivi 02:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments


 * Nope, I'm not him( or her ) YisraelDov, is my actual name, you can check my TZ if you want.. Now how do I remove this stuff ?yisraeldov 11:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Doesn't seem likely to me. YisraelDov, information here isn't removed. As Italiavivi stated, there is some evidence to link the two of you, but I don't think it's enough. Od Mishehu 12:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

There is solid but inconclusive evidence to link the two accounts to the same person. As a practical matter, I think it's a moot point. Sockpuppets are actionable if one is being blatantly disruptive, or if they are trying to cooperate as if they were two people working together. I don't see either issue here. Yechiel Man 18:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandals can exercise their right to vanish. We want them to edit constructively, not shoot them down as a sockpuppet. The user is undoubtedly operated by the same person, but they're editing constructively, so there's no harm done. We have a good thing that happened to us, not a bad thing.  Cool Blue  talk to me 19:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "undoubtedly operated by the same person!?" I'm not the same person! And how can you say that there is no Doubt!? You say that my contributions are constructive as opposed to vandalism, isn't that enough to at least enter a doubt into your mind!! yisraeldov 12:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Right to vanish" generally implies that the editor is leaving the project, not changing usernames to avoid association with their past actions. Italiavivi 21:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Conclusions
 * There's no temporal overlap between the contributions of these editors, and thus no violation of WP:SOCK. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The Mehadrin bus line was not my cause. You are making canards. The Miriam Shear story I contributed to but it also was not my only one on Wikipedia. Also you continually censored out what I added on the Miriam Shear story. I have no account other one. Worry about your own cases of being blocked and condemned by people rather than starting up again with me. I am not identical with any other user other than myselfself. It so happens my full name includes the name Dov as my second name but I have no other Wikipedia account other than Yisraelasper. If you continue to make trouble I will urge you be banned again as you hinder rather than help. Yisraelasper

Italiavivi I contributed to more than just one article. You claim above that I was a one agenda user and yet you fail to say that my last post on May 2 was on something else a topic I returned to yet. I posted on May 2 "Talk:Extrasolar moon (The Petition no longer exists)."

I am not identical to Yisraeldov. I also don't live in Israel. I don't have an agenda for separate bus seating. I don't feel there is a need for separate bus seating. The Miriam Shear dispute has been over for months. You kept on though reposting warnings on my user page including on June 12 the date of your posting above after not posting on my site for at least over a month if not longer. No one asked you to. I am going to complain about this attack on me to Wikipedia to have this page removed or otherwise have you banned. What kind of a system is this where the evidence is not reviewed? Anyone with an agenda like Italiavivi can defame someone and that someone is not informed of the charges to be able to make a defense?User:Yisraelasper

Italiavivi I didn't know until now that there was an Egged article. You just make accusations and this you submit as evidence! Yisraelasper

Italiavivi you say that Yisraeldov started contributing in 2007? He was around in June 2006* and I've seen now that the first of his many contributions as far back as I was able to see started in July 2006**. All this was before even the Miriam Shear controversy. How could he be sock puppet for what wasn't yet?

"*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YisraeldovUser talk:Yisraeldov From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Welcome!

Hello, Yisraeldov, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Your view of RZ is verry limited. Yes there is a MO comunity in Israel, and yes most of them tend to be RZ, but those are not the only or even the majority of Religious Zionists here. --yisraeldov 19:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)" Yisraelasper
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Modern_Orthodox_Judaism

You were supposed to notify me of the charge "Notify the suspected puppetmaster." Instead you just reposted on June 12th 2007 old Miriam Shear article warnings though no one asked you too. Yisraelasper