Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1028

Please Help Me Understand the Content Contribution Policies
Greetings, all. I submitted the following page as new content via the AfC, and I declared my conflict of interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bay_Area_International_Children%27s_Film_Festival

My page was rejected, but I was hoping for some constructive editor feedback, as I assumed that getting notes of some kind would be the first stage when submitting via this route. The issue I'm having is that both the COI rules and the feedback I'm getting are vague and even contradictory, so I'm puzzled what to do next.

My talk page explains my page rejection, and the rejection form letter notes: "You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved."

I was also flagged for using an incorrect username, which I immediately changed to follow site rules. But under my unblocking request, an editor wrote: "That means no more writing about subject areas for which you have a conflict of interest."

So now I'm confused: Should I edit my page submission or not? I had planned to put out a Teahouse request for help re-editing my page to meet Wikipedia standards. My content is consistent with other content on the site -- it's for a long-running children's film festival -- and so it seems to me that it's a good fit for Wikipedia, given that other such festivals are already listed.

I'd appreciate any advice on how to navigate the Wikipedia labyrinth and submit my content. I completely understand the need to avoid marketing and biased information.

In closing, let me cite some text from this Wikipedia page, which I was using as my ethical guideline -- but which apparently contradicts other guidelines on the site:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:An_interest_is_not_a_conflict_of_interest

"Conflicted editors can be an extremely valuable and largely untapped resource as they are often the most equipped and motivated to report on a given subject. Policy permits conflicted editors to edit articles provided they comply with other policies."

Thanks very much for your time and advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilmFestFan (talk • contribs) 20:03, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello . I am glad you have taken the steps to declare your conflict of interest. You are strongly discouraged from editing your draft. If it is notable someone else can write about it. Also, your link is not a guideline, just an essay. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 20:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, since you said that the article should exist because of other film festivals, please note that the existence of an article(s) cannot be used to justify the existence of another one, especially if it has problems. Also, according to the one who declined your draft,, said it looks like an advertisment. You have not edited it since then. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 20:28, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply, . My reading on conflict of interest seemed to give me contradictory advice, both "Submit COI content, but very carefully," and also "Don't ever submit COI content." As noted above, I have not edited my entry, because I was told both to edit it and not to edit it, which is what brought me here! And how does one go about getting somebody else to write about specific content? -- User:FilmFestFan
 * - just to clarify, as I’m not sure the information above is entirely accurate, you are free to submit articles through the WP:AFC process if you have a COI. Indeed, doing so is the recommended method of creating an article about which you have a COI. Hugsyrup 20:36, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * And, to add to that, having seen the comment you referenced by on your talk page... well, I’d charitably describe that as ‘misleading’. You are permitted to edit articles in areas where you have a conflict, you simply need to follow the guidelines at WP:COI. I’m sorry you’ve been given misleading information, I appreciate it’s not particularly helpful. Hugsyrup 20:43, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . The pages about the editing process contain a wealth of contradictory information, and even in this reply thread, I have two people giving me the opposite advice. I'd just like to know how to proceed. -- User:FilmFestFan
 * Well, I am not being incorrect, I am just giving the basics from what I have seen and know from reading the COI guideline. I am not saying that you should never submit it, just do it carefully. I only say it is strongly discouraged from editing the article you have a COI with, not never. If this seems "defensive" I am sorry. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 20:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, -- my words were not a criticism, just an observation! I appreciate your advice. -- User:FilmFestFan 21:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * (Adding my agreement with Hugsyrup) I haven't read that exact page in a while. But, here's my mantra as of now. Edit away a draft as much as you like, just wait for someone else to accept it to mainspace, never move it to mainspace yourself. When it's in mainspace, you can do maintainence stuff (things like spelling and grammar), but if you need to make a major change, request it at the talk page of the article. If you want to become an admin soon, don't even make minor maintenance edits to the article, always only use the talkpage. Cheers!  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 21:00, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and . I will edit the page and wait. -- User:FilmFestFan 21:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Checking the status of a submitted page
I submitted my first page in August during a Wiki event and I was told it would take up to 8 weeks when I submitted the page. I have not heard anything back yet and it is getting close to the 8 week mark. Is there a way to check the status of the submitted page? It was on Rui Sasaki. Not Sasaki Rui which is already an existing page and a different person. Any advice is appreciated. I look forward to improving my skills here and becoming more active. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Golden snail tongs (talk • contribs) 21:35, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you mean your draft at User:Golden snail tongs/sandbox, you didn't submit it for review. To do that, use the blue button labelled "Submit your draft for review!". One bit of tidying up which you could usefully do to make life easier for reviewers and readers is to deal with references used more than once. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:46, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Timelines - How to use - especially if large
Hi, A brief question, I'm considering additions to the Central Valley Project what was at the time, the largest hydro-electric project in the world, that was first pushed in 1920 but not fully under construction between 1940-60. The subject matter for such a major project includes the intersection of complex legal and political battles over land and water laws as well as the extensive construction of close to a billion dollars in dams, power projects and canals in 1950 prices.

As a way to document literally dozens of major projects and their individual activities, I would like to introduce a timeline into the current article on this project that currently has no real history that even comes close to the scale of this project.

I would like to place this extensive history into the article with a timeline format with links to hundreds of digital news articles from federal budget news stories to the political fights that helped shape the state's historic past around irrigation, electricity and water. The timeline itself will exceed 300 or more individual lines of linked stories, that express the scale and missing history of the states water wars.

I've not seen an extended timeline like this on wikipedia, so am wondering if I can do this - a good part of it is already constructed away from the Central Valley Project article. Please remember, the CVP is on the scale of the federal government's manhattan project and is immense.

Sadly, wikipedia apparently doesn't have scripting systems that would allow very large indexing/timelines like this to be folded into a single line - so that such large documents can be presented and can be opened and closed by clicking on segments of the timeline/indes :(  Energynet (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that the History section of the article is remarkably, almost comically brief, especially for an article with a GA ranking. On the other hand, what you are proposing sounds like adding content that will be much longer than the existing article, in my opinion giving undue emphasis on history ("...intersection of complex legal and political battles...links to hundreds of digital news articles from federal budget news stories to the political fights..."). Would you be satisfied with creating decade-by-decade subsections within the History section? What I suggest would have referenced descriptions of what was built within each ten year interval plus the legal/political situations for same. David notMD (talk) 07:41, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

thanks for the response!

So, no timeline, and just a chopped up history section?

I've been working on the citation/timeline for this for over a month and it has nearly 150 citations with many more left to do.

I don't plan on leaving the history section as is either, but felt that I could drop the timeline in at the bottom of the article. I've already purged a lot of material from it, but this is no ordinary history. Especially in how it ended up being censored out of history. The last thing I want is to have this history shut down because its too long. There are entire segments of what happened that can no longer to found in modern textbooks! Putting a description of them just wouldn't cut it for me, even though this would be part of the summarized history. How does one emphasize a 40 year battle that has been completely removed, other than by documenting the battle with real content to real stories that can be clicked on and seen, or as a bare minimum turns into one line events in a huge timeline? Not to mention this is happening again only worse because nearly nobody today reads, but might actually start to look further if only there was a way to get the casual browser on wikipedia to look closer.

Energynet (talk) 00:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Cant get my artist page published - could someone from wiki re write this for me?
I have asked my graphic designer to log in help we cant seem to get the article published at all one message said add footnotes now it says its auotbiographical and you cant do your own my website designer has tried to do one and is getting lots of confusing messages we are very stuck could you help one comment said to ask wiki to re write is this an option? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christie Lamb (talk • contribs) 00:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: article is Draft:Christie Lamb. Autobiography is frowned upon but not forbidden. Asking that an editor work on the article is a lost cause - there is a huge pile of requests and little progress. Your website designer should be able to create an account and edit the draft, but then that person would be required to declare a paid relationship to the article on own User page (see WP:PAID). David notMD (talk) 01:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The current style is EXTREMELY promotional, and will never be accepted without a complete rewrite in a neutral point of view, with citations in support of all factual statements. Because, really?: "has been described as ‘the full package’, a vibrant multi-instrumental and award winning singer songwriter." Listing where toured and who toured/played with adds nothing to notability. See Notability (music) for guidance. David notMD (talk) 01:57, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

World Tallest Waterfalls
Murchison Falls (43m) and Blue Nile Falls (45m) do not appear on the list of the World's Highest Waterfalls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.172.146 (talk) 01:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That's because the list stops around 590m, which is a lot higher than either of the waterfalls you listed. We really can't list every waterfall.  If we did the page would just be too large.  Mgasparin (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

My edits have vanished. Please restore them.
The values in the column 'RpW Ratio' in the table 'League table' in the section 'League stage' in the webpage 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9321_ICC_World_Test_Championship' are incorrect and should be updated. The webpage shows the last update was on 22 October 2019 and the source is 'International Cricket Council[18]'. Please be informed the source has also not updated these values on their webpage (https://www.icc-cricket.com/world-test-championship/standings).

The present incorrect values '2.871, 1.401, 0.714, 1.158, 0.864, 0.411, 0.275, N/A and N/A' should be corrected and updated as '3.245, 2.312, 0.843, 1.232, 0.957, 0.410, 0.292, N/A and N/A'.

A couple of days ago, I carried out these corrections as minor edits and published the changes. But today when I checked, I was shocked to see all of my edits have vanished.

Hence, I request you to kindly restore the changes made by me. If possible, please ask the source as well to update their website. The source does not seem to have an option for a person like me to suggest this to them.

Thank you, Dr. Jai Ram — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Jai Ram (talk • contribs) 03:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * , Welcome to Wikipedia. Please note that Wikipedia values Verifiability not truth. You'll just have to find another reliable source which does have the updated data, or we'll just have to wait for the source we already have, to update it. Wikipedia has thousand of articles that aren't always up to date, especially with events that are ongoing. One option would be to write the article in a manner that it makes clear that it is about an ongoing event and the provided data was last updated to be accurate as of some specific date, no further.  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 04:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Relevant evidence.
I'm curious which part of the rules I can refer to if the article quotes a fact from a some book written by a historian that has no evidence in material historical sources.

I give an example, in Croatia Vlachs are historically mentioned and today they are Serbs and to a lesser extent Croats. Ivic Aleksa, Serbian historian (Budjanovci, 23rd XII. 1881 - Belgrade, 23rd XI. 1948). In his book he does not notice these original Vlachs, and he writes about them as Serbs. Mirko Valentić; Institute for Contemporary History, Zagreb, Croatia Mirko Valentić; Institute for Contemporary History, Zagreb, Croatia, states in the book "On the Ethnic Root of Croatian Bosnian Serbs" page 18. as follows: "Budući da arhivska građa, osim rijetkih izuzetaka, daje istraživaču samo vlaško ime, A. lvić, prepričavajući arhivske spise, jednostavno ondje gdje piše Vlah čita Srbin. Našavši u arhivskoj građi veći broj spisa o Vlasima katolicima, tj. potomcima starohrvatskih Vlaha: Bunjevci, Morlaci i drugi, on će i te Vlahe proglasiti Srbima nazivajući ih •Srbi katoličke vere«. Pišući o pokušaju oslobođenja Like iz koje Vlasi čine nasilja i zločine po središnjoj Hrvatskoj, provaljujući i u dubinu Kranjske, lvić sugerira svome čitatelju kako je austrijski nadvojvoda naredio »proterivanje Srba iz Like«. U originalnom dokumentu stoji »[ .. . ] Abtreibung der neu angesessnem Walachen in der Likha [ ... ]«.24 Isti postupak primijenio je s gomirskim Vlasima, koje A. lvić čita kao »Gomirski Srbi«, iako u arhivskom spisu stoji »Wallachen zu Goymerie«.25 Jednako postupa i s poznatim vlaškim selima Dubrave i Ponikve u okolici Ogulina. lvić piše: »srpska mesta Dubrave i Ponikve, gde su Srbi živeli«. U originalnom dokumentu stoji•[ ... ] die in dem Dorff Dubraua und Ponique wohnende Wallachen [ ... ]«.26 'Tužbu žumberačkih Vlaha iz Marindola 1668. prikazuje Ivić kao tužbu »Srba iz Marindola«, iako u originalnom spisu stoji: •[ ... ] die Walachen zu Marienthall beclagen sich [ ... ]«.27 Falsifikatima takve vrste vrvi svaka stranica Ivićeve knjige. Ovdje su gotovo nasumce izabrani samo neki primjeri"......"Because archival material, with few exceptions, gives the researcher only the Vlach name, A. lvic, retelling the archives, simply there where it says Vlachs reads a Serbs. Having found in the archival material a large number of writings for Catholics Vlachs ie descendants of the ancient Croatian Vlachs: Bunjevci, Morlaci and others, '''he would also declare these as Vlachs Serbs by calling them • Serbs of the Catholic faith. " Writing about the attempt to free Lika from which the Vlachs commit violence and crimes by Central Croatia, penetrating into the depths of Carniola, lvic suggests to his reader that the Austrian Archduke had ordered the“ expulsion of the Serbs from Lika. " The original document reads "[... ] Abtreibung der neu angesessnem Walachen in der Likha [...]. "24 The same procedure was applied by Gomirje Vlachs, which A. lvić reads as "Gomirje Serbs", although the archival file contains "Wallachen zu Goymerie'''" .25 He treats the well-known Vlachs villages of Dubrava and Ponikve in the Ogulin area as well. lvic writes: "The Serbian places of Dubrava and Ponikva, where the Serbs lived." In the original document reads • [...] die in dem Dorff Dubrau und Ponique wohnende Wallachen [...]. "26 The lawsuit of Žumberak Vlachs from Marindol in 1668 is presented by Ivic as a lawsuit by" Serbs from Marindol ", although the original file states: • [...] die Walachen zu Marienthall beclagen sich [...]. "27 '''Forgery of this kind is roped in every page of Ivic's book. Here are only some examples randomly selected'''"

If someone puts up a book of Ivić Aleksa as proof for some quote, on which rule I have to refer to delete such evidence from individual articles, this is just one example and there are many more because many Serbian historians do not use original historical data as evidence?

Mikola22 (talk) 17:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The place for discussion is on the talk page for the article. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:24, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I did it and there is no progress, i started deleting some quotes that have no source in the material evidence but then some consensus started to be mentioned. If something is false and without concrete evidence even it was stated by the historian, I guess we will not debate for two years? If that evidence doesn't exist let the specific quote be deleted. Either there is evidence or no, five minutes of work. So I'm looking for advice in such cases which has a lot of.Mikola22 (talk) 17:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Learn to pace yourself, and allow Wikipedia to get better, and articles to be improved over time. I'd personally recommend you just start with three or five (no more) of the claims in the article that are not sourced, and simply add   behind each of them, as a simple and polite request for a citation needed.  A bot will handle the rest.  Then, just go away, and avoid editor conflicts for a while.  Others may add sources, or other editors may choose to help by removing the unsourced bits.  Or in six or eight weeks, you might come back and gently remove the challenged bits if no other editor has chosen to find and add sources. Only after that, find another three or so areas that might be improved, and request sources on those.  Rinse, lather, repeat.  Slow and steady to improve an article that is off the rails, yet has editors with strong opinions about retention of unsourced statements.


 * Give it time, Wikipedia is a somewhat slow work in progress, but you can nudge article improvement in this way.


 * I'd personally recommend you stay away from the BIG project and "it must be fixed right now"" sort of editing. YMMV, but that's my advice. N2e (talk) 20:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Generally quote is proved because the statement of the historian from that book is quoted, but that statement is not proven by anything in the book. So formally that quote has proof (some book) in the article but in that book that quote has no proof(material historical sources) but is the claim of some historian without proof. What I should then? Should i do that ", and simply add  behind each of them"? Problem is with the evidence in the book itself.Mikola22 (talk) 06:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . From your account, I'm not clear whether you are concerned about whether the cited book supports the claim, or about the reliability of the book. If it is about whether the book supports the claim, then failed verification is a better tag, or you can remove the claim, explaining why on the talk page. If somebody disagrees with you and reverts your edit, then read WP:BRD.
 * If it is about whether the book is reliable, that is a very different question. The best place to get discussion of that is RSN - but it may be that few people there are knowledgeable about Serbian publishing. --ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I cited example above. If original historical document in a village mentioned Vlachs and historian in the book states that in village live Germans, Croats or Serbs (it is not important), what do I do? Formally his claim is proof and the book is proof for Wikipedia article but according to original historical data in that village live Vlachs not Germans etc. It means that historian does not base his claim on original historical records. He could say that Chinese live in that village and this is proof for Wikipedia article. So i'm interested how to dispute that false quote and delete it from the article although this was said in the book by a historian who apparently lied.Mikola22 (talk) 18:38, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that's one of the limits of Wikipedia's methodology founded on verifiability: secondary sources prime. If the secondary source makes a mistake and misrepresent primary sources, then it's a grey area. The preferred way to contest a source is to provide another secondary source that contradicts the first. If there isn't any, then you may try to add the primary data and mention it (but with no WP:OR, simply leave the current article's text and add in a separate sentence: "According to [primary source], Vlachs lived in this village", something like that. But be prepared to justify your reasoning on the talk page, as primary sources are not the preferred way to source content on Wikipedia. --Signimu (talk) 23:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank everyone, the only thing left is to quote the original documents.Mikola22 (talk) 04:50, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

A small question about Twinkle
I can't seem to find Uw-copyright in Twinkle menu. How to fix? &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 06:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * A couple of different copyvio warnings are in the "Single-issue warnings" section. Best, --bonadea contributions talk 06:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Help on moving an article from draft
I have created an English language version of an article in German Wikipedia about Richard J. Eden physicist. It is at Draft:Richard_J._Eden. What is the process by which the article can be moved to mainspace? When moved, I can then update a couple of links to him from existing articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernardboase (talk • contribs) 23:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are at lest three different ways to proceed.
 * you can put the draft under the Articles for creatiuon process by adding  to the page. You can then improve the draft until you think it is ready, and then click the "Submit" button or add   to the page. It will then go into the pool for AfC review, which may take a while (up to 2 months), but eventually an experienced editor should review it and either approve it and move it to mainspace, or esle give you feedback on the problems.
 * You can seek informal review from any experienced editor willing to provide it, and move it to mainspace (or have that editor do so) when you nagree that it is ready
 * You can work on it as it is, and simply move it to main space yourself when you think it is ready. Of course this will risk someone nominating it for deletion if that editor thinks it unsuitable. By the time it is readyt you should have move access even if you don't yet have it.
 * I can tell you one thing right now -- the text as it stands does not cite any reliable sources. Multiple independent professionally published reliable sources should be cited to establish notability It looks to me as if Dr. Eden is in fact notable, but we need the sources to verify it. You might want to read our guideline on the notability of academic people. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:47, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * As a translation from the German article, it needs attribution, see WP:TFOLWP. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, David, for very useful reply. I will research sources, add attribution and then follow one of the three routes you list. BernardUK 07:58, 25 October 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bernardboase (talk • contribs)

Uploading an image
I have uploaded a photo image using the Wizard, but what I thought was the title is the the file name. Can I put the title in so that it is shown with the image?

The file is

And the URL is   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grapes, Convolvuli and Plums. Oil on Canvas, signed Charles Stuart.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by BFP1 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

This was omitted

BFP1 (talk) 18:12, 24 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1
 * Sorry the file details are deleted on sending but the URL should provide sufficient information. BFP1 (talk) 18:20, 24 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1
 * I will leave others to answer your question. But just be aware of the typo in the caption. The genus is Convolvulus, not Convulvulus. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:33, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you Nick. This typo should also be corrected. BFP1 (talk) 21:43, 24 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1


 * The caption displayed with the image is given by the last parameter (after the last pipe character "|"), see Help:Pictures. If you use an image in an infobox the syntax may well be different with the filename being one parameter and the caption another, see the definition of the relevant infobox template. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:04, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you David. I will not be putting the image in an info box. As well as adding the caption I wish to correct the spelling of convolvuli not only in the caption but also in the other information provided.

I will do as you suggest regarding the caption as follows.



The corrected caption has appeared but the image has gone. Where is my error? BFP1 (talk) 07:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1


 * I think I know David. I altered the file name. I've put it back to the original but just put in a corrected caption. And that seems to work! See below.



I now need to find out how to edit the other information given (mainly correcting the spelling of convolvuli). BFP1 (talk) 08:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1


 * I have now corrected the typos in the additional information David. The only misspelling now is in the file name which does not show in the main text. BFP1 (talk) 09:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1


 * If you want to request a change to the file name, go to the commons page for the image, & you should find "Move" under the "More" tab at the top right-hand corner of the page. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks again David. I have put in the request that one letter be changed to give the correct spelling of convolvulus. How long does such a change usually Take? Thanks for all your previous help.BFP1 (talk) 10:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1


 * It's been moved, and the admin who moved it has tweaked the links above. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:51, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you and any other volunteers involved.BFP1 (talk) 13:02, 25 October 2019 (UTC)BFP1

Are direct sources allowed?
Hiya! What if I want to write about a website. Can I use that website as my reliable source? Thanks! BrightSunMan (talk) 07:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about an article subject, not what the subject says about itself; for this reason, primary sources, anything from the subject itself, can only be used in certain situations, and generally can't be used to establish notability.(in this case, the definition of a notable website) If no independent sources have given in depth coverage to a subject, it would not yet merit a Wikipedia article. 331dot (talk) 07:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but what about if I use the source to indicate that the website simply 'exists'? Can I do that? BrightSunMan (talk) 12:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If the website is notable, you can add that website to the External links section (See WP:EL), but the fact that something simply exists doesn't mean it'll make it to Wikipedia. Feel free to give us the link if you want more specific feedback. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Existing is not enough to have a WP-article, see WP:GNG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Another good read is Existence ≠ Notability. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Biography: Adil Adi - Need help how to proceed further with it.
Hi,

This is Medhavi Saxena working for WorldLink US under the founder and executive chairman Adil Adi. I have working on this wikipedia for 3 years to get it approved and move on with the wikipedia pages. Still, it is been rejected. I don't know if you have the record of the message in the past with the usernames like WorldLink US, AkshayBhende, AdilAdi and then now AdilAdi1998.

I have been trying to understand with complex sentences and the complex words in this website. However I am not able to make it right and have not been able to understand which direction should I go first. I tried to follow many rules and regulations and follow the steps strongly. Unfortunately, it is still been rejected.

Could you kindly share the screenshot or the userpage or what kind of articles/biography should be post?

Thanks, Medhavi (267.393.3597) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdilAdi1998 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * . You say that you have been working on this for three years, so can I assume you are the person who edited under the user accounts you mention above (WorldLink US, AkshayBhende, AdilAdi)? Hugsyrup 15:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes HUG,

That's me! It was me trying to edit so I need your help to help me go in the right direction. Is it because of the user name matching to the contents or is it because of the biography is too much of the advertising of the person or promoting Adil Adi?

Kindly, please share the reason. So that it is clear to me as I will be in the right direction.

Thanks, Medhavi — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdilAdi1998 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * - ok, so my first question is why do you have so many accounts? This is against Wikipedia's terms of use.
 * I can't see the article as it has been deleted, so I can't say exactly what was wrong with it, but it was deleted for being 'promotional', and since you are attempting to create a page about someone you work for, that is clearly a promotional purpose. Most likely the issue is a combination of a) the fact that you clearly have a conflict of interest and are a paid editor, b) the fact that it has been written in a promotional tone and c) that there aren't enough reliable, independent secondary sources about Adil Adi for him to have an article.
 * Given that you have been trying, and failing, to get this page created for three years, under a string of different names, could I please give you some advice: just stop. If you want a page about Adil Adi, create it on LinkedIn, or your company website. Hugsyrup 16:01, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * (Also, pinging as an admin that I know is active here. I feel like this might need some admin attention to deal with this multiple account situation? Hugsyrup 16:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC))
 * Hello, . If you are then you would appear to be a paid contributor, and must disclose this in accordance with WP:PAID. Since it appears that you have used multiple accounts, you should also disclose this on your user page, User:AdilAdi1998. Those must be done before you undertake any further efforts to write a biography of Adil Adi or anyone else conmnected with your company. You should also meake it clear that you aree not yourself Adil Adi. Note that no Wikipedia account should ever be used by mor than one person. Shared accounts are not allowed.
 * The page User:AdilAdi1998/sandbox was deleted because it was found to be overly promotional. All wikipedia articles, and drafts intended to become articles should be written from a neutral and objective point of view and may not be designed or used to promote anyone or anything (nor to attack anyone or anything either). All significant facts should be supported by citations to reliable sources. All articles should establish that the topic or subject is notable. See our guideline for the notability of people, please. Sources should generally be independent of the subject. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:09, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, Hug and DESiegel. I appreciate your help on this matter. The reason for posting this page is valid, and not promotional. Many colleagues have requested personal and career information on Adil Adi in recent years, and we thought that Wikipedia was the perfect neutral platform for maintaining and updating the profile. We have multiple accounts because our first attempt by my colleague Akshay was written with a positive bias. We adjusted the text to make it journalistic and informative for the reader community, using other Wikipedia pages of similar personas. We included a number of external references to ensure validation of the content. We are happy to delete these previous profiles and maintain just one, for the purpose of supporting this page and other pages within our areas of technology/investing expertise.

I ask that you please advise on how we can ensure that the final product is of value to the reader community. It will receive many visitors and is linked so that it directs to many other Wikipedia pages. Thank you again for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdilAdi1998 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * we thought that Wikipedia was the perfect neutral platform for maintaining and updating the profile - I’m afraid this is where you are mistaken. Wikipedia is not a social media platform or webhost. If people want to find information about your CEO, I suggest you place this on your company website. Wikipedia has articles about notable topics and, as I explained above, the only way to show that a topic is notable enough for an article is if it has been widely covered in reliable, independent, secondary sources. I suggest that if you want help from editors, you post here the best three sources you have to establish Adil Adi’s notability, and then we will be better able to give you advice. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 19:52, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Hug, Thank you for the collaboration, HUG. We can definitely provide reputable external sources. Please find a collection of external sources that provide background on the Adil Adi topic. These have been embedded in the article as well. Open to hear your thoughts on how we can improve this for the community.

Here are the links:

1.)	https://ncfp2018.sched.com/speaker/adil_adi.1yhp8w9l 2.)	https://wealth-texas.com/mr-adil-adi/ 3.)	https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/11/07/frisco-companys-goal-hire-100-people-in-100-days/ 4.)	https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20141124006129/en/WorldLink-Named-Dallas-Business-Journal%E2%80%99s-Top-100 -- Dallas Business Journal 5.)	https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ey-announces-finalists-for-ey-entrepreneur-of-the-year-2016-in-the-southwest-region-300262946.html -- Ernst & Young

Look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Medhavi — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdilAdi1998 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Neither press releases, nor speaker's bios (usually provided by the speaker), nor interviews with the subject are independent of the subject. None of the above are suitable sources to establish notability or help in the creation of a Wikipedia article. Independent sources are essential. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * And, you do not seem to have made any declaration of paid editing in accordance with WP:PAID. This is not optional -- failure to do this promptly will lead to you being blocked from editing. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:56, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Content
Hello all. Just wondering if the edits I made are ok content wise without putting up a complete song lyric. Thanks for you support. Bob Corsini NJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcorsini54 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , What article are you referring to? Interstellarity (talk) 17:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia must not become ridiculous
Wikipedia must be a place where everyone will be able to correct the fake or wrong news ! I may not be able to correct that because i am new on it, but the editors of wikipedia will have no excuse... I just tried to correct the news about origin of Mannequin Challenge , with prove of dates and locations to not look ridiculous, but every time i tried someone take of my article... You must understand that Google will prove the origin of Mannequin Challenge with videos ! Those videos have the dates encrypted on it, so in the end Wikipedia will lose trust ...( I don't think you like that ). If you really care about Wikipedia, don't let those bad people to throw the dirt on it, because they may do that on porpoise... In my sandbox you will find one article about Mannequin Challenge Origin ( with date and biography of the true originator ) So don't act like blind .... Google will prove that wikipedia published false news in the end .... That will make you happy ?????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by STUDIO3339 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to The Teahouse, where we answer questions about how to edit Wikipedia. What exactly is your question? <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 13:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . You need to remember that Google is not a WP:Reliable source.  Anyone can put any rubbish on a website that Google will pick up.  If you have a reliable source that needs to be considered, please discuss the change you wish to make on the talk page of the article.  Wikipedia does not report news (fake or otherwise).  It just reports what is written in reliable sources.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  13:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The place to raise your concerns is on the talkpage of Mannequin Challenge. If you post there (here's the link to it), you can point to your evidence and, if it is persuasive, other editors will take your feeback onboard and modify the article. It does look as though this particular modern novelty has had  few discussions about its origins already. So be prepared to supply details and for a robust conversation. I should say that we don't accept YouTube as a reliable source. Anyone can create and post anything there. I don't know whether you're associated with that particular video that you added, but it's hardly compelling evidence in Wikipedia's eyes. However, once mainstream media has reported something as valid (be it right or wrong) then Wikipedia is free to report it. Wikipedia reflects what the world at large says about something, not what one individual tries to demonstrate in order to right some great injustice, sorry. Why you think that particular matter makes Wikipedia look ridiculous, I cannot fathom. I do note that the video was only posted this month and has so far garnered less than 90 views.   Best wishes Nick Moyes (talk) 14:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , At the risk of nitpicking, YouTube is often not a reliable source, but it can be. There's a good summary upthread Wikipedia:Teahouse#A_good,_citable_source. S Philbrick  (Talk)  17:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC) Archived.—  Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:33, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thats very true - thanks for making that excellent point. In this case, though, I don't think such an upload would count as 'reliable'. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , I agree, but many new editors read this place to learn information, and I didn't want them to walk away thinking that YouTube is NEVER acceptable. S Philbrick  (Talk)  17:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

User page
PS - it looks like my user page has been deleted! What happened, and can I get it restored? Thank you, Rcorsini54 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcorsini54 (talk • contribs) 12:10, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , I think it would best to let an administrator answer this question since they can see deleted pages: Pinging, , and for any help. Interstellarity (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello... I think this is due to a multiple device look. It was 2... my 2 sons. I asked them not to login as me anymore. Thanks for the heads up! Rcorsini54 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcorsini54 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , It sounds like you have an answer, but User_talk:Bbb23 is the place to ask if you have more questions, as that is the admin who removed it S Philbrick  (Talk)  17:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your user page was deleted with the reason given being "U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host)" In general a user page should be used to introduce and describe the user as a wikipedia editor. It is not a social media page, nor a resume, nor a substitute for a personal web site. More leeway is given to users who have made significant contributions to the encyclopedia proper -- you have currently made very few. But even experienced users should limit their user pages to things related in some way to their Wikipedia work.See User pages and particularly User pages and User pages for more information. Note that the "not" section mentions
 * All of that said, I think this particular deletion was a bit ill-judged -- I would not have made it. You could ask the deleting admin, to reconsider. It would help if you can honestly declare an intention to become an active editor here. Or you could post at WP:REFUND. But it might be better to jsut get on with workign on the encydlopedia and the gradually build up a user page that describes you as an editor, indicating your skills and interests, and projects or articles that you have worked on or plan to work on. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Accounts may not be shared. Please change your password and do not give it to anyone.  No one else should be logged into your account.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

I need a kind help
Hello,

I am French and in advance, forgive me if I make mistakes in English. For several years now, I have made various small contributions to existing pages.

And a few months ago, I started the page of a French photographer I like very much: Gregory Herpe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gregory_Herpe

I don't understand why my submission is still not validated. However, I have worked a lot on it and added a lot of external links.

How can I do and can you help me finish and publish this page, please? In advance, thank you all!

Fabien — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsgh66 (talk • contribs) 16:00, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , it seems you haven't actually submitted it for review yet. I have just added a template that allows you to do that. Please add inline citations to all extraordinary claims made in the draft (I can see a total of one inline citation in the draft as of now). A draft about a living person can not be accepted without adequate inline citations. After you have actually used inline citations and references instead of just listing external links, all you need to do is simply click the big blue button at the bottom of that template that I just added. I doubt it will be accepted on first attempt but that would be a start. Good luck!  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 16:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * A general rule of thumb is one reliable in line citation per each section of text. Taewangkorea (talk) 17:46, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

promo editor, 3RR
User:Tehrafi keeps replacing the article Revolve NTNU with unreferenced spam. I have reverted and warned him to no avail. I have also reported him to The COI noticeboard. I am at 3 reverts in the last 2 hours alone. If I keep reverting will I be breaching WP:3RR or is this considered an exception to the 3RR rule? Tknifton (talk) 16:42, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I looked over the recent edits at Revolve NTNU. I note that part of what you are reverting as "spam" seems to be an infobox about the organizatrion, which on a very quick inspection seems to correctly reflect the information in the article. I note that you did not attempt to change the contents of the infobox , but rather reverted it in toto. I also note that you made no attempt to engage on Talk:Revolve NTNU with or other editors. This looks to me as if it is a content dispute. There is no exemption from 3RR in such cases. Nor is it OK to edit war even if you stay clear of 3RR. Violating 3RR is a celar line, but slower edit wards are still disruptive and potentially blockable.  None of which means that repeated reinsertions by Tehrafi are acceptable. Those also constitute edit warring, regardless of the merits of the content. Pleased do attempt to engage with and pother editors on the article talk page. Please be prepared to provide reasons why content does or does not belong, an to listen to any reaosn other editors may advance. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:48, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It wasn't the infobox I was calling spam it was the uncited paragraphs after the infobox that I considered spam that Tehrafi added while removing the cited information. I considered it spam as it was unreferenced and seemed to be written non-neutrally with phrases such as "as a result of the hard work that is being done" and read like an about the team page. It is also worth pointing out that it wasn't just me who did the initial revert of Tehrafi's and I was also not the first person to call it spam (User:Viewmont Viking was). Another reason that I thought it was spam was the fact that one of the editors who inserted the same spiel was violating the username policy by using the name of the team. Tknifton (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have just posted to the article talk page,, and I hope that will post there, explaining the edits. I see you have restored the infobox. Thank you. The other user has been warned about the username issue, and invited to change names, by another editor. Did you consider the image gallery to be spam as well? In any case the 3RR has few exceptons, as seen at WP:3RR One is reverting  but that is only for fairly obvious and blatant vandalism, not for overly promotional but possibly useful content. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I've requested temporary semi-protection which, if granted, will stop the edits from new or IP users for a bit. Hopefully that should stop the edit warring and encourage talk page discussion. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The article has been granted semi-protection for a period of two weeks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:51, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, its just annoying when there are IP editor/s (it may be more than one IP editor-probably isn't but there is a chance) that don't respond and given that it was more than one account and IP semi-protection was a good idea. Tknifton (talk) 17:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Naaz joshi
I want community help to publish my articleQueenuniverse (talk) 20:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * what is your article? DannyS712 (talk) 20:26, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you refer to the draft about Naaz joshi now at User:Queenuniverse/sandbox , that looks rather promotional I can't easily judge if it demonstrates Notability or complies with our guideline about the notability of biographies. In general, too many rferences is almost as bad as too few, and if some of them are not treliable they had better be omitted. Please read Referencing for Beginners and try to formmat some of those sources as inline references. Taht will make it much easieer to asses if the statements in the sandbox draft are well supported by sources. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * What all references are allowed to be given in article and its not a promotional article. The struggle in life of naaz joshi is rising from the ashes please read the article and let me know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs)
 * Please ask follow up questions in this section, to avoid creating additional sections. Please also only put ~ at the end of your posts and do not use it in section headers, putting that coding places a timestamp. 331dot (talk) 20:53, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * When you say "The struggle in life of naaz joshi is rising from the ashes" that strongly suggests you are here to promote this individual. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have to AGF here and assume that comment was promoting transgender rights, rather than expressing any conflict of interest with one individual. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

~Can someone help me edit the article and publish it as the question about this trans woman has been asked in many government jobs examination in india — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs) 20:57, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

~film stars biography or anyone who is living biography are they not promotional? If you say that the inspirational journey of this trans lady is promotional then its wrong. I find it inspiring.the entire India call it inspiring. Is it easy for abandoned trans woman at the age of 7 to be a title holder ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs) 21:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you just want to tell people about an inspiring story, you should use social media or your own website to do that. Wikipedia isn't here to tell inspiring stories; this is an encyclopedia to collect human knowledge.  This person must meet the notability criteria, as  states above. 331dot (talk) 21:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

~ when we see biographies of reigning miss world and miss universe who are women and who by family and society support reach at certain destination, we create pages for them and you app approve that too. The entire India is proud of her, all major indian daily newspapers have covered her journey of being who she is? If this was for the promotion, they would have not covered her. First read her story and then accuse me for doing a promotional activities on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs) 21:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

~I have a question why do we have a wikipedia page for manushi chillar miss world 2017 then. Look at her page that looks to me more promotional — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs) 21:15, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

~ this person meets the notability criteria as much as any Indian celebrity or even much more than that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs) 21:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

If catriona gray has right to be on wikipedia why cant she be on wikipedia. Or you compare the small and big pageants. I request all the editors to kindly read the article and go through all the references and then take the unbiased decision — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs) 21:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Wikipedia is a big place and not every article meets the notability standards. shoy (reactions) 12:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I'm having a look at the draft (which is now at Draft:Naaz Joshi) to see what can be done about it. I can see in-depth pieces in The India Times which is directly about them, but I'm afraid I don't know much about that source (other than it's not The Times of India). There are a number of other news sources that are directly about Naaz Joshi; again I don't really know much about the reputation of these sources. The reason this is important is that we need to base the content of our articles on high-quality source material, and not tabloids. I'll ask my colleague, who might be able to give further advice here. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @ritchie333 for the kind help and @oldperson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs) 19:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * @oldperson your help is commendable, thank you but how to make senior editors convince that till now she is world's first transgender who has won international pageant with women and even miss world diversity she won with women. I think it's an important piece of information that should be published on wikipedia as this is exceptional article so far

Dear @Ritchie333 all the citations used in article belong to major newspapers and publishers in India, so we can trust it. The times of India and India times is same, and also I have cited from femina, deccan chronicle, new Indian express, the tribune, the deccan herald and almost all big newspapers from india and even bbc hindi, kindly help me getting this article approve as this is very important not for her but for entire lgbt community in india.
 * Responding to 's ping; this person does seem to be notable. The following sources are from newspapers that are adequately reliable:, , , and a couple more. However, the draft is very promotional in tone as currently written. It needs a severe copyedit, or even a rewrite, and I don't have the time to supply that. , I would suggest that you read some well-written biographies on Wikipedia, and then try to match the tone and style of those. The draft you have written doesn't comply with our policies, no matter how important the person. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

I wish to express gratitude from bottom of my heart, I have made changes in draft, pls have a look and suggest me that if article looks still promotional.

why are you after my life, why are you nominating the page naaz joshi for speedy deletion. If this page you wish to delete why don't you delete the page of Angela ponce a Spanish transgender. If you call my article promotional then pls delete the article of her as well. This looks mere case of racism. Only transgenders from Europe and usa are allowed to be on wwikipedia.Your this act is really shameful
 * No one knows what race you are, and your race is completely irrelevant. Please don't accuse other people of racism.  Please also read Other Stuff Exists.  The existence of other articles about this subject does not automatically mean that yours can exist too.  Your draft has not been deleted, it is at Draft:Naaz Joshi, and is awaiting review. Theroadislong did ask a question, which is how the draft addresses the concerns given in the deletion discussion. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I am not talking about my race, I am talking about race of miss naaz joshi. Who is an Indian. There are many users who believe that the article is not promotional. @theroadislong asked me what all changes has been done since 2017, my answer, her achievements, her work for the trans community in India and most importantly the citations from reliable sources. I agree initially it sounded promotional but now I have changed the language which according me is pretty neutral. All I can ask is for help, I believe we all belong to one world, our color may be different but we all are one children of one God almighty. Let's not take this on our ego and let's be fair in this world to every one.

I want to express my gratitude to every one who has helped me Apologies to  Queenuniverse (talk)
 * there were other editors who helped such as, Oldperson (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks other users as well, I shall add more content to it, but finding the right language to write it so that it doesn't look partial. I will try to make it as informative for others as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenuniverse (talk • contribs) 18:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Vocal on Go Get 'Em Tigers Don Rondo/ Kris Peterson
Vocals on Detroit Tigers vTheme, "Go Get Em Tigers....Don Rondo / Kris Peterson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladyinabag1 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not sure what your question is. This help desk is the place to ask questions about how to edit Wikipedia, so we probably can't help you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Is Right Wing Watch Considered Reliable Sources
I mean if you want accurate information on political issues, obviously not, but Wikipedia has a reputation of accepting Leftist drivel as "reliable", hence the question. Telum et Phalangae (talk) 18:23, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, doesn't sound like you actually have a question that we can help you with. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Blocked as a sockpuppet of . --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

A census of Wikipedia or The Origin of Wikipedia Editors or A general conception of individual who will answer the survey, etc.
Guten Tag, I wish to know if any polling data exists on wikipedia and its editors. This would include data such as race, nationality, religion, political affiliations, and so on and so forth. If no data exists then I propose we send a survey to all active editors on wikipedia. I am not yet sure what being an active wikipedia editor entails. I also request any data on the prevalence of Paid Editors/Shills on the website, particularly in regards to political/controversial historical content. I also know that any numbers originating from this survey will not be entirely accurate. However, I still wish for a kind of census of wikipedia. Kindest Regards, Telum et Phalangae (talk) 17:27, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Guten Tag, and welcome to the Teahouse.  Many Wikipedia editors would not want to fill in this survey, so it is unlikely that you would ever get accurate results.  You are welcome to put your own race, nationality, religious and political affiliations on your own talk page.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  17:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey Telum et Phalangae. You may be interested in reviewing the results of the 2018 Community Insights Survey, which is probably the most comprehensive examination regularly published on the subject. (As far as I am aware, the results of the 2019 survey should be out sometime in the near future.) You might be interested in this article I recently contributed to our internal newsletter, regarding the state of demographic information gathering with regard to the community.
 * As to "Paid Editors/Shills" on Wikipedia, we are probably unlikely to ever get accurate data, as much of this is against the terms of use, and those who violate such norms are likely to be blocked for doing so.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  17:47, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You may find something that interests you at Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia and/or Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archives list. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all your responses Telum et Phalangae (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * OP blocked as a sock of . --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Bay area Three Peaks Challenge - wikipage
I have made edits to the page - Bay area Three Peaks Challenge and it should now comply with the guidelines of Wikipedia. How do I resubmit the page for publishing ? This is truly something valuable to the community of hikers and having such information published on a platform like Wikipedia will help our community get more engaged with the outdoors and explore the surrounding nature reserves and state parks.

By creating something exciting like a challenge, it gets everyone interested and enthusiastic about hiking and experiencing all the wonderful trails that Bay area has to offer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samirkonnur (talk • contribs) 21:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I understand that Wikipedia can seem like a great way to spread the word about a good cause or event, but that's not what Wikipedia is for.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that has articles about subjects shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability.  It is not for a promotional purpose like spreading the word about an event, regardless of how good an event it is.  If the news or other sources take note of your event on their own and choose to give it significant coverage, it might merit an article at that time, but I don't believe that it does now.  I would suggest that you use social media, a website that you own or control, or an alternative forum where what you want to do is permitted. If you were to resubmit the article(not just "page", a subtle but important distinction) it would almost certainly be rejected, especially because it contains no independent sources(or any sources at all).  I'm sorry this is probably not good to hear, but I must be honest. 331dot (talk) 21:13, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Sending feedback
I want to send feedback while using Wikipedia Beta but can't find the option for it. Can anyone teach me how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kore's Cosmaupia (talk • contribs) 19:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are seeing problems, you can post about it at WP:VPT, specifying the beta feature you are using. RudolfRed (talk) 21:46, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

What should I do about this page?
I found Turk van buren which appears to be written by the subject of the article and it seems to be promotional, and the subject isn't notable. Does the article qualify for speedy deletion or should I start a deletion discussion? Merlin04 (talk) 22:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the article as promotional(a speedy deletion criteria). 331dot (talk) 22:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Do look at my edit

 * Hello, do look at my edits on the draft which I have moved into the article space Mahira Sharma. Thanks, I hope to get a reply soon. Imwet (talk) 17:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The net effect of your edits is this. I don't see anything particularly wrong with them, but they don't add a lot of content either. As for whether this should have been moved from draft, it seems a little marginal to me. But I don't propose to nominate it for deletion at this time either.
 * Please improve the citations to include at least the name of the work cited, the author where known, and the access date. Taht makes it much easier to asses the probable contribution to notability of each cited source, and generally is helpful for readers, particularly if links later change or go offline. See Referencing for Beginners for details on how to do this. Thank you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

How best to create a citation referencing a page that is in a language other than English?
Can someone please help me understand what is the best practice when creating a citation that references a web page that is not in English? I have used google translator to be able to read the site's page but am not sure if all the information in the citation should be in the originating language. I ended up putting both languages in the title but that doesn't seem right as it makes the title very, very long... Help please & thank you! : -) LorriBrown (talk) 21:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcoem to the Teahouse. If you use cite web or other citation templates, you can use language, trans-title for the title translated into English, trans-work for a translation of the name of the publication. You could use quote for a translated quotation. I recall a trans-quote parameter, but it doesn't appear in the template documentation, so perhaps my memory is incorrect. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Do I put the original language link? LorriBrown (talk) 23:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I am getting error messages. Need help with what I am doing incorrectly with the citation...  Thank you!
 * Also... not sure how to restrict the reference to this conversation. It is showing up at the bottom of the page. LorriBrown (talk) 00:04, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , trans-title does not work unless you also provide the un-translated (non-English) title in using title. Similarly, trans-work requires work or one of its synonyms. In any case the original title and publication name should be provided, because that is wat would be needed to search for the source offline, or in an archivne if the link goes dead. The url dshould go to mthe original, untranslated article. trans-url can be used if a tanslated version is available online, but only if the base URL is specified. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:11, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * To restrict refrences to a section, in cases like this, place reflist-talk at the bototm of the sectipon, or where it is desired that the refs be shown -- one can have several sets of refs shown separately, for example in a documatation page about how to do refs. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * To restrict refrences to a section, in cases like this, place reflist-talk at the bototm of the sectipon, or where it is desired that the refs be shown -- one can have several sets of refs shown separately, for example in a documatation page about how to do refs. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

insert photo into sandbox draft
I'm having trouble inserting photos from my computer into the Sandbox. I am using SAFARI. Should I not be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve Michelman (talk • contribs) 22:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If by inserting you mean copy and paste. Well you can't do that period. You have to upload your pictures via wikimedia here is the link Oldperson (talk) 22:39, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, please do be aware that once you upload an image there you permanently and irrevocably release the copyright of the image per the license you choose. Be sure that what you're uploading aligns with the project's scope as well. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:39, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Some help in article draft
I had drafted an article in my user-sandbox and had submitted it by clicking "submit for review" button. But after that, my entire sandbox was moved to Draft:Sandeep Unnithan, leaving a redirect. Is this supposed to happen? How do I get my sandbox back? &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 23:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, that is the usual procedure. By submitting your draft for reveiw, you are inviting others to collaborate on it, so it is moved from a sandbox page (which suggests something not yet ready for others to help with, or just testing) to a draft page, which invites others to assist in getting the article ready for the main article space. Note that you re free to continue to improve the draft while you wait for a review. I note that a number of your cited sources were written by the subject of the drat. Those source are not independent and do not help to establish Notability there need to be sources showing that others have written about the subject in some detail -- others who are not employers, associates, friends, or family members. See our guideline for notability in biographical articles, please. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thankyou . I will incorporate new sources and remove the self written one. If I may, this person is arguably among the most notable Indian defence journalists. If you want a explanation why, please contact me on my talk page. However, please also tell me what will happen to my sandbox... Will the history of my sandbox be associated with the article, like it is presently viewable in the Draft? Regards, &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 01:43, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that I thought Unnithan was not notable, merely that the draft did not yet clearly demonstrate that notability. Self-written sources can be used for some purposes -- for example, to document what the subject actually said or wrote on some topic. But they don't contribute to notability, and should not be the main basis of an article. Note that a few good sources are much better than many poor ones. There is often a problem with Wikipedia articles about journalists and other creative people -- there is a tendency for others to point to their works, but not writ much about the people behid those works. This makes it harder to clearly demonstrate notability, but significant critical reviews of a person's work can also contribute to establishing notability. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for you suggestions. I will incorporate new sources. Please just tell me what will happen to my sandbox etc I asked above. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 01:57, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

When the page User:Vaibhavafro/sandbox was moved to Draft:Sandeep Unnithan a redirect was left behind. This is like a forwarding address -- it makes sure that any links to the content tht as moved still work, and that anyone going to the old page name gets to the moved content. But like almost everything on Wikipedia, it can be changed easily. If you want to have a new sandbox for working on another topic, you can simply edit the page User:Vaibhavafro/sandbox, delete the redirect, and rep;lace it with whatever you like. You can also create named userspace drafts, with page names such as User:Vaibhavafro/Draft Abc and User:Vaibhavafro/Draft Def. You can have as many pof these as you want, provided that you seriously intend to work on them and try to eventually develop them into articles here. There are advantages to both styles, and neither is required. If you wan tthe redirect in the sandbox page removed now, I can do that for you, although you can do it for yourself. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:03, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that explaination. Draft:Sandeep Unnithan currently reflects the editing history of my sandbox. I was just asking whether this history will also be reflected when the article will be published... &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 02:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Now i think i understand your concern. Yes, when a page is moved, all its history is normally moved with it. That is one reason why i prefer to start drafts in tjheor own pages and use a sandbox only for test edits never intended to become articles. But many work otherwise, and that is OK. If this prospect really bothers you, I could do a history split from the draft and merge those pre-draft edits back into the history of your sandbox. Many editors wouldn't care about such a thing, but if you do, I have the rights to deal with the situation. Note that there will be no apparent difference unless someone looks at the history. Please indicate if you want such a split and merge done. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:18, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * , thanks for understanding me. I think I will not be able to demonstrate Unnithan's notability, since most of the discussion about his extraordinary work is on forums. Next time onwards, I will directly create a draft instead of moving my sandbox into draftspace, as you do. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 02:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * However, if you can bring back the history of my sandbox to my sandbox, that would be great! That is my article creation legacy. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 02:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * that is unfortunate, but Wikipedia has to follow reliable sources. Do note that printed sources which are not online, or sources that are not in English, or both, are perfectly acceptabel if they can be cites to that a user could, with effort find and verify them. Sources do not need to be free of charge, either. But if Unnithan and his work has been written about largely on forums, an article will have to wait until published independent sources are available, if they ever are. Good luck on your next topic. If I can be of help, feel free to ask. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I will do the split and merge then. Please do not edit the draft or the sandbox until I ping you and tell you it s done, it will take a few minutes. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:37, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

✅ The history move is done. The revisions that have noting to do with Sandeep Unnithan are back in User:Vaibhavafro/sandbox and the ones that are about Unnithan are in Draft:Sandeep Unnithan. I hope that is satisfactory to you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:03, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thankyou very much!! &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 03:15, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Adminship
I wanna become a admin but are not endowin' with this opportunity. How will it be possible?????SHISHIR DUA (talk) 05:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You received some advice on your user talk page a couple of days ago, here – did you have the chance to look at that information yet? --bonadea contributions talk 05:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I should also add that administrators need to have a long and extensive experience of editing Wikipedia, and be very familiar with policies and guidelines. It is a better idea for you to keep editing and improving the encyclopedia - and be careful to read and learn from the information posted to your user talknpage – than to make a request to become an administrator. (I notice that more than one experienced editor has given you the same advice recently.) --bonadea contributions talk 05:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I would add that you do not need to be an administrator to do probably 95% of tasks here. Having administrator powers does not grant you any special standing; admins are just editors like you with extra buttons that would be irresponsible to give to all users. 331dot (talk) 07:57, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * May I also add one additional suggestion for you? By hanging out here at the Teahouse, and either watching those questions that you don't know the answer to, or helping editors with things that you do know the answer to, you will find it an extremely useful way to gain knowledge and understanding of how things are done. I see you've just tried to add your name as a Teahouse host, so remember to welcome everyone here, and to keep answers as simple as possible. These are the expectations all Teahouse hosts should meet. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:43, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Something that is not emphasized enough in the advice to applicants is that you must have a history of work at WP:AFD. Also, if you are again the subject of an RfA (that is not summarily removed, like the last one was), you will eventually be asked the questions "why do you want to be an administrator" and/or "what work do you intend to do as an administrator". You should consider the answers to those questions, not just for the purpose of answering them, but for yourself. I.e., you need to have solid reasons that are consistent with improving Wikipedia. My RfA, declined with a vote of 47-33-14, was a disappointing waste of time and good will. If you enjoy editing, continue doing that and improving your skills – you'll get far more out of that than being poked and prodded at RfA. —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 06:48, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Help
Hi all. As I have joined Wikipedia very recently, I am yet to know much about the technical aspects of adding content.Kindly help me regarding a few areas I am getting stuck.

How to create a new sub heading in an already available page

How to give number to reference and hyperlink data and reference.

Hope to get an answer soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angunnu (talk • contribs) 05:55, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * User welcomed. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 06:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Do read the welcome and links on your talk page, but the answer to your specific questions is that both the headings index and the reference numbers are generated automatically by the software. See WP:Referencing for beginners for how to insert references, and just copy the heading style, using two or three = signs for new headings.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  09:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Cant see a save button on my preferences pages
Hi, I am trying to save the changes I wanted to make to my preferences - but I cant see a 'save' button' anywhere on any of the pages. Can you help? Thank you ClarityRandom (talk) 07:42, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems to try to "float" at the bottom of the currently visible part of the page, though sometimes it seems to get stuck and disappear (Win10/Firefox/Vector skin). Try scrolling all the way to the top and then the bottom. Also, try searching the page for Save (usually Ctrl-F if you're on a desktop browser). —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 08:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You can also try Keyboard shortcuts for your browser. Save is, e.g. or . PrimeHunter (talk) 10:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

BLP Submission declined
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:T_N_Suresh_Kumar

This draft was declined previously because the references were not in the required format for a BLP.

Please suggest Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations for BLP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firosekhanv (talk • contribs) 08:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * In the feedback messages, both on the draft on on your user talk page, the words in blue are wikilinks to the guidance you need. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You have far too many external links. If any of those are intended to be references, include them as citations in accordance with Help:Referencing for beginners, otherwise most of them should be removed. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:52, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Separate from the criticism about reference format, my opinion is that Kumar has done nothing that would make him notable in the Wikipedia sense. My understanding of the draft is that he is an avid tourist who paid to go up in an airplane ride. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

A question about a bot’s behaviour
A bot removed my move proposal notification in the article Defense Intelligence Agency minutes after I put the notice up. Was this supposed to happen? Or is it because of some syntax-error on my part? &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 15:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * That bot did the same again. PLEASE HELP URGENTLY. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 15:32, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * It looks as if you confused the bot. Were you trying to follow the process described at WP:RM?  It looks as if you didn't go through the right process on the article talk page but then tried to make an edit to the article page itself.  If you do it right, the bot will make the necessary edit to add the notice to the article page.  Because there wasn't a properly registered request, the bot removed the notice. I suggest that you clean it up and start again. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:37, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * It seems that I am a total NOOB. See Talk:Defense Intelligence Agency. The move template isn't working. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 15:51, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I figured it out. Thanks, &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 15:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Suite and Sour (The Loud House)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Suite_and_Sour_(The_Loud_House)

I've created this article about an episode. Why it was declined ?

If you can improve this draft, do it.

I want just to write an article about an episode of The Loud House.

An example :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_Your_Mind_(Steven_Universe) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.253.230.158 (talk) 16:17, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You were given the reason for the decline in the draft and some additional comments. The episode would only merit a standalone article if the episode itself gets extensive coverage in independent reliable sources. A source for its (relatively low) viewership is not sufficient.  The episode itself or its production must have extensive coverage. It would be a rare thing for every episode of a TV show to merit its own article here. 331dot (talk) 16:46, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to Creating a page for John Grossman biography
I am ready to create a page for JOHN GROSSMAN. He was a very notable person and here is my introduction to him: John Wesley Grossman, Jr. was born in Des Moines, Iowa, July 20, 1932. He had a profound interest in art beginning as a young boy. A graphic designer, for over fifteen years and was proud of his five years a a teacher in the design department of the San Francisco Art Institute. He received international attention in the commercial world of advertising with numerous Certificates of Distinction and Awards of Excellence. Then his new career as an oil artist specializing in California landscapes lasted over 23 years. His work is owned by many collectors in the United States, England and Japan, including museums and corporations as well as private collections. He then focused on his passion for printed ephemera amassing one of the greatest printed ephemera collections in the world, www.johngrossmancollection.com comprising of over 250,000 original and many rare artifacts are now located at the Winterthur Estate, Gardens and Library. I have established 39 subject categories in his biography; completed a chart of all 202 oil painting with details: year, title, media, size, remarks of exhibitions ;completed his Publications list; completed major career highlights and completed a 'sources' list for all articles published about John. I have only three links for this articles: Johngrossmancollection, winterthur.org, ephemerasociety.org Do you want to see all these items in order to be approved to create this page for John?

I will wait to hear from you. With much Appreciation for your help, Carolyn Grossman — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrsJohnGrossman (talk • contribs) 20:21, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, first off all, you seem to be too fond of him to write an encyclopedia entry on him, which is to say that the sample text you have presented above is in need of a complete rewrite with a neutral point of view. Having said that, further assistance on the matter would be easier to provide if you actually started a DRAFT on it. Do take a look at articles on other artists for guidance. You might want to read why WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing first, to get a general idea of the pros and cons of what you may be able to achieve on/with Wikipedia. After that, you can simply review WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST, evaluate the sources (possibly what you meant by "articles published about John") you have and make a determination as to exactly how to proceed. If you provide a list of three or four (but no more) of the best sources here, someone might be able to look at those and give you an opinion as to whether the article would be accepted or not. Good luck!  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 21:20, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * If you wish to persist, you should declare a COI on your User page. You will need refs such as https://www.ephemerasociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Ephemera-Journal-Vol-18-Issue-1.pdf pages 18-20. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a CV. Yes to major exhibitions, no to any lists of his paintings or publications. You want to cite content ABOUT John, not BY John. David notMD (talk) 01:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this information. My first question is here a dictionary for all the initials used as C01 and CV? I will reqite the bigraphy of John to make it more neutral, but would like to submit four sourcesof 36 published sources about John Grossman, now to see if this page would be
 * Goodman, Florence Jeanne (April 1980). ”An Epiphany of Perfection”. Southwest Art. p. 88.
 * Hart, Cynthia (February 1989). “A Gifted Collector”. Victoria Magazine. p 82.
 * Shouler, Ken (October 1997). “Selling the Smokes”. Cigar Aficionado. p.134.
 * McKinstry, Richard (March 8, 2013). “Winterthur announces Landmark Purchase of Renowned Grossman Collection”, Antique & Auction News. Front page cover story.
 * Steven Hill, of the NY Times wrote a very favorable review of the John Grossman Book 'Labeling America"'Dec 2011.
 * Just waiting to hear, in the meantime, I will continue to study all your tutorials. MrsJohnGrossman (talk)


 * a "COI" is a Conflict of Interest (please read the linked page). A "CV" is a Curriculum Vitae or résumé. The point of the COI issue is that a person is strongly discouraged from writing about him- or herself, or about her or his family, friends or close associates. This is because it is very hard for anyone to remain neutral about one's own work of the work of those one is closely affiliated with. And even if an editor can write neutrally in such cases, there will always be a suspicion of unconscious bias, which will undermine the credibility of the article. The point about not being a CV or résumé is that a Wikipedia article should summarize what has been reliably published about a topic, not be a detailed list of everything tht a person has done. Significant creative works of a subject should be listed, but not every paper for an academic, nor every painting for an artist, but only a few of the most significant, and only if there have been independent discussion of those works, critical reviews or the like. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:59, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Bot archived an unanswered question on a reviewer's talk page
Hello there! I'd appreciate some help with the revision of a draft I'm working in. After the draft was declined on the 11th of October by a reviewer (StraussInTheHouse), I improved the draft and then left a message in the reviewer's talk page on the 16th of October. But some days later, a bot (lowercase sigmabot III) archived my message here without a reply from the reviewer. And I'm now afraid that the reviewer will not answer there, as he/she states at the top of his/her talk page that "Replies will be made here". Thanks for your help! --Jorcaiba (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Hello. If you think you've addressed the issues, you can resubmit the draft and someone else will review it. The user that last reviewed it hasn't edited wikipedia since Oct 13, so I wouldn't take it personally. The bot is obviously programmed to automatically archive posts, so it's no one's fault. Personally, I feel it's all for the best as I think it's better to have different reviewers look at the draft each time. Regards!  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 17:45, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the info! :) --Jorcaiba (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

RE: Contradiction of poetics 13 and 14
For that article, still awaiting acceptance or declining after 3 months, how about the simpler title "Change of fortune paradox." Or "change of fortune contradiction"? Or as Takeda names the problem, "Metabasis paradox"? As I recall some of you here had an issue with the title I originally put on, as being too long. I find it to be acceptable as is. Is this article going to await a response forever?Cdg1072 (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * There is a long backlog at AFC. More than 1000 drafts are in Category:AfC pending submissions by age/Very old, so you'll just have to be patient. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link Draft:The contradiction of Poetics chapters 13 and 14
 * As to the title, if there is an agreed term among scholars or other reliable sources for this issue, that would be the ideal title. If there is not, then the best neutral descriptive title that can be managed will have to do. The title should ideally be clear to a reader not familiar with the topic, and a plausible search term for someone who knows a little and wants to know more. But the titel can be changed at any point, and should not be a major issue. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:47, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Re-arranging sections
I found an article that went through a merge recently and looks like it could use some rearranging to be easier to follow.

This type of edit seems to be major enough to need talking through first, but I can't recall ever seeing any discussions about re-arrangements. What's the proper procedure here? Edit and see if it sticks or ask first? 75.172.161.217 (talk) 22:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Which article is it? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Liquefied_natural_gas 75.172.161.217 (talk) 22:48, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest discussing the changes on the talk page first. Do you know how to do that? Clovermoss (talk) 22:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You can start a discussion on the article's talk page. If you decide to go ahead and do the work, I suggest making the edits incrementally, instead of one large rewrite at once.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:54, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

"Ask first" sounds like the way to go. A draft might help too, how do you start one of those? 75.172.161.217 (talk) 23:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If you want to discuss the changes at the article's talk page, you can do so here. Draftspace is usually used to create new articles, not to draft improvements. I'd reccomend making incremental changes like suggested, if you plan on editing the article directly. If you have not already done so, I'd also reccomend reading the five pillars of editing. Clovermoss (talk) 23:11, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ok I think I got it now, thanks :) 75.172.161.217 (talk) 23:15, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, I'm glad I could help. Clovermoss (talk) 23:18, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Inadequate Citing
How can we cite a website if there is missing information? (E.g publisher and publication date)

Thanks! BrightSunMan (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * hi and welcome to the teahouse. If you don't have all of the information, just include what is available. --DannyS712 (talk) 19:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Many web pages have no clear;ly ndefiend publication dates. That is one reason to always proved the "retrieved" date when citing a web page. That is the date when you 9most recently) accessed the page and saw that it was what you intended to cite. If you use cite web it can be specified as accessdate or access-date. If buiding cites manually, just include " " at the ende of the citation. This makes finding an archived version easier if the link goes dead or the content at the link is changed. Do include whatever information is available, such as Author, name of web site, and title of page. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have occasionally seen a news site where the publication date of an article is not immediately visible, though you would expect there to be one on a news article. I've found that this was (surprisingly) caused by my script-blocker. If you're technically comfortable with security issues, you might choose to allow some scripts in order to see the date. Another choice, again if you expect a date to be meaningful, is to look at the page info (Tools>Page Info in Firefox), where you might find, e.g., "modified_date". —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 23:45, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Deleted edits
Hello. I was just wondering if there's a way to find out what my deleted edits specifically are--partly out of curiosity, but mostly to make sure I don't repeat a mistake or error. Thank you! Caro7200 (talk) 16:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * If by "deleted edits" you mean those shown as such at https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Caro7200, they don't necessarily mean that you have made a mistake or error, but merely that the page(s) which you edited have subsequently been deleted. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, thanks for your response, good to know. Thank you. Caro7200 (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * So, is there perhaps a tool available to admins that shows at least the names of the deletions? I'm also a little surprised and curious about my delete count for the same reason. It would be good to know how many of those were pages I created vs. how many were just pages I happened to edit at some point. Thanks. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 00:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Mydadcoke's thread
Hi tea house, my name is Sabrina Escovedo and I am Coke Escovedo daughter. I noticed that there where a lot of things taken off his documentations on wiki. From other sources. Now we know there are very evil haters out in this world, would or can it be possible to have certain people blocked off from editing. I plan to put the real facts where acknowledgment should stand. My father did not have a lot of enemies but he did have a few backstabbers. My email is  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mydadcoke (talk • contribs) 23:06, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Link: Coke Escovedo. I'm sorry, but I don't see any significant removals from the article in it's history. The right place to discuss the article is on its talk page, Talk:Coke Escovedo, where you might be more specific about any missing information and provide reliable sources that can be cited for verification. Since you are his daughter, this is the correct procedure according to WP:COISELF (please see that link and the links within it). Thanks. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 00:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . I've added a welcome template to your user talk page that contains some information specifically designed to help people such as yourself. As has pointed out, Wikipedia considers you to have a conflict of interest with respect to anything written about your dad on Wikipedia. So, if you have any concerns about the content of the article written about him, you should follow WP:COIADVICE and discuss them on the article's talk page. Moreover, your comment Now we know there are very evil haters out in this world, would or can it be possible to have certain people blocked off from editing. I plan to put the real facts where acknowledgment should stand. shows that you might not really understand what Wikipedia is about. Wikipedia is not really a place to try and continue or resolve real world disputes between you and others regarding your dad. It's also not really a place to post "real facts" unless they are things that can be verified through citations to reliable sources as explained in Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. So, if you feel that there is certain content in the article which shouldn't be there, the best thing for you to do is to explain why on the article's talk page and see what other editors unconnected to you dad think. Perhaps there are things which should be removed, but negative content isn't going to be removed just because it's negative; it will only be removed if it's not in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. In the same vein, positive content isn't going to remain just because it's positive; it will remain only if it's in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. This might not be hard to understand at first, but neither you nor anyone else connected to your dad has any final editorial control of the article as explained in Wikipedia:Ownership of content; in other words, it's not really his article, but rather an article written about him on Wikipedia which means that everything good or bad needs to be in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines even if they might be things that you don't personally like. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:59, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I’d love to learn
More about how I can host a page for my own name/personal brand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allisontristan (talk • contribs) 05:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , tl;dr don't. Wikipedia is not a place for you to use as your soapbox.. However, if your brand fulfills the notability requirements, it can have a Neutral Point Of View article on it. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 06:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ... written by someone completely independent of you, based on coverage of you in reliable sources, like The New York Times, Variety, and Rolling Stone. This is an encyclopedia, like Brittanica (but bigger/better). Please read all those blue links. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 06:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

help with WP:ORG
I am trying to get a better understanding of the notability guidelines for organizations. In WP:ORG, it says:

"Sources that describe only a specific topic related to an organization should not be regarded as providing significant coverage of that organization. Therefore, for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO, but not a significant coverage on the company (unless the article or biography devotes significant attention to the company itself)."

Here is where I am confused: An organization is a collection of people, which typically produce products, services, ideas, or other artifacts. So, when talking about an organization, all there is to talk about is the people, products, services, and ideas. There is no more "there" there, so far as I can tell. So, I don't know what to make of the above paragraph. How does can a source really talk about "the company itself," when the company or organization really is just a collection of smaller things? 104gli (talk) 06:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for asking! It means that the source must be talking about the corporation as a whole, and not a specific part of it - that is, "XYZ Corporation did a thing" would be okay, but "Peter Peterson, CEO of XYZ Company, did a thing" is not. It refers to the corporation as one entity. -A la d insane  <small style="color:#006600">(Channel 2)  06:17, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks!
 * However, do please note if a source talks about several parts of a company or organization, that can be coverage of the company as a whole. If a source says "The Motors division of XYZ did this, the Wire division of XYZ did that, the Retail division of XYZ did this other thing, while the Medical devices division of XYZ deployed product Z", particularly if there are multiple sentences devoted to each section, that source should probably be considered to be about the company as a whole, and to count towards notability.  And of course, once notability has been established, additional sources may talk about particular activities of part of a firm or organization, and those details can be included. Indiviual facts or events mentioned in an article do not need to be notable as long nas the topic as a whole is, bearing in mind due weight. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh and do note by the way that a ping does not work unless it is part of a comment that is signed in the same edit. Signing later does not count. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:56, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

minor edit
I made a minor change regarding to a person's origin and then it was deleted. Why was it deleted if it is verifiable? URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Andreescu some proof: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/05/sports/tennis/us-open-bianca-andreescu-belinda-bencic.html https://nationalpost.com/sports/scott-stinson-bianca-andreescu-makes-canadian-history-advances-to-u-s-open-final-in-thrilling-win https://tennistonic.com/tennis-news/99012/why-andreescu-loves-canada-so-much-even-if-she-is-of-romanian-origins/ https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/khan-leave-immigration-out-of-bianca-andreescus-victory

How do i proceed to change? Dindin911 (talk) 07:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * (ec) Link: Bianca Andreescu. The infobox does not support a parameter named "origin". She was born in Canada, so I don't think that would be correct anyway. Her ties to Romania are already discussed in detail in the article. As far as adding it to the lead, please see the talk page at Talk:Bianca Andreescu and discuss it with other editors there. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 07:09, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. First of all that was not a minor edit. Minor edits are things like fixing spelling errors, typos, and broken formatting. Declaring a person's nationality is never minor. Secondly origin is apparently not valid for that infobox template. Thirdly, if you read Talk:Bianca Andreescu you will find that the matter is already under dispute there. You can join the discussion there but please remember to be WP:CIVIL; it seems that tempers are already rising on the subject. In any case, the article talk page is normally the place to discuss why an edit was reverted or what should or should not go minto an article. Remember bold, revert, discuss and do not on any account edit war. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hi Dindin and welcome to Wikipedia. We have stricter rules about articles on living people than our default, so one reason why you would have been reverted is that whether or not that date was verifiable, it wasn't verified in that you didn't include any of those links as a reference in your edits. If you need help doing that, may I suggest you read Help:Referencing for beginners? There is also the issue of origin and ancestry. According to the article and your first nonpaywalled link she is of Romanian ancestry, but not origin as she was born in Canada to Romanian parents. Origin would imply she was born in Romania and then moved to Canada.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  07:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Maps and geneologies by Ian Mladjov
I found some beautiful maps and geneologies by Ian Mladjov: https://sites.google.com/a/umich.edu/imladjov/maps https://sites.google.com/a/umich.edu/imladjov/genealogies Ian said about the maps that "Given proper attribution, these maps may be used freely for non-commercial educational purposes."

Presumably (might need to ask) the geneologies would be usable for the same permissions. Would these maps and geneologies be a good addition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmia Nebula (talk • contribs) 03:08, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , in short, no. To be usable on Wikipedia (or WM Commons) content must be fully freely licensed. A restriction to is as bad for us as . Our reusers may be commercial, or non-educational and we must be able to grant them full rights. In theory it is possible that these could be used under nfiatn use, but I doubt very much if they would fit the criteria. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Need help stopping a spammer going wild
Pls see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/115.78.230.128.

Is this where such requests should be made? Humanengr (talk) 07:56, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, the theoretically proper place would be WP:AIV. But there are often several admins hanging out here and it worked (or something did) I went to the IP's page, only to find that another admin had already blocked. Seems a weird kind of disruption, but I don't try to understand true vandals, I just block them. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 08:05, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Is quoting text a copyvio?
If I quote text from a book using cite book, will that be a copyright violation? I am speaking in context of my recent additions to this article, in which I think that quoting the text will be easier for future reference since I have accessed the book from my University Library. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 05:33, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings. When you use a book as the source for the content claimed, (cite book), that means you need to write the content in your own words and the meaning of the original source is faithfully preserved. Direct quote is verbatim text, exact reproduction of the original source with a quotation marks the beginning and end of the quotation. Source need to be included at the end of the quote and you can use Cquote or block quote template. Do note, do use direct quote sparingly.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 07:20, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * In general,, no it is not considered a copyvio. Quotations says: and goes on to say b


 * I have omitted links in the quotes above, please do read the whole page an perhaps follow its links. That page also expresses cautions, particularly saying:.


 * In copyright law, reasonably sized quotations used for critical or referential purpose are almost always fair use under US law, fair dealing under UK and commonwealth law, and fit other exceptions to copyright under the laws of other countries. One will hit the limits of Wikipedia policy before hitting the limits of copyright law in pretty much any plausible case in an article.


 * In short, ther is no need to worry about copyright issues when using a quote from a source or a historical document, as long as the edit is within Wikipedia policy as described in Quotations. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Greetings. When you use a book as the source for the content claimed, (cite book), that means you need to write the content in your own words and the meaning of the original source is faithfully preserved. Direct quote is verbatim text, exact reproduction of the original source with a quotation marks the beginning and end of the quotation. Source need to be included at the end of the quote and you can use Cquote or block quote template. Do note, do use direct quote sparingly.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 07:20, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that explaination. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 07:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I just wanted to ask whether or not filling the "quote" parameter in cite book with the actual text in the cited book is correct or not. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 07:35, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You need to write the content in your own words and the content should be supported by the said source. Not all the content in the book need to be reflected in the article but just the important and relevant ones.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 07:45, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

, the quote parameter in cite book, cite news or any citation template should be filled, if it is used at all, with an exact quotation from the source, and should not (unlike article text) be paraphrased or in your own words. It need not always be used. It is helpful to identify the extat phrase or passage in the source which directly supports the article content. It is not needed if the article content is itself a direct marked quotation. It is most useful when the source is dense, has long pages, or is unpaginated, and it may be hard for a reader to identify just what passage in the source supports the article test. It should not be an overly long quotation, but should be long enough to make the nature of the support clear. Parts of a passage not relevant to the purpose can be replaced with an ellipsis (...), but never in such a way as to change or distort the meaning of the source. It can also be used for a translated passage from a non-English source, but the translation must be careful, and must be clearly identified. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * now that's exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 08:09, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * , Thanks for informing. I just replied to the editor and after I save the edit, I saw the editor thanked your for the explanation. I was a little perplexed and then I saw you message on my talk page. I did not aware I removed your message and I have not idea how this happened. However, since it has happened, I apologies for it and would take it as I must have click something when I was making the edit. Sorry for the inconvenience caused. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 07:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have mis-clicked and mis-typed many times editign WP. No problems. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it's appropriate to thank someone who writes a long answer for you. That's why I thanked DES, despite his answer not exactly fitting my question. No need to be perplexed. Regards, &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 08:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * What I meant was, I didnt see any reply from DES in the message (because it was removed on my edit) and yet you wrote to thank him - that was why I was perplexed. Not long later, I received the message from DES of asking me if my removal of his reply was a mistake that answered my perplexion. The whole thing is not why I was perplexed of your gracious appreciate of DES' explanation but on my part that I did see any communication since the message was removed by me. Cheers.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 08:13, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Okay. I misunderstood you. Regards, &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 08:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Can DAB notices be sent retroactively?
I have only just learned about the DAB notice that is produced when an ed links to certain (all?) DAB pages directly. Suppose some page has a ton of incoming links and is converted to a DAB page. Do these notices go out retroactively?

If this is in some howto page, just point me the way and I'll read all about it there. Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 01:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you explain more about the DAB notice you are referring to? Is this a watchlist notification or something else? RudolfRed (talk) 01:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The OP is presumably referring to User:DPL bot, in which case the question would best be placed on the bot's talk page, if not already answered in its FAQ. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:04, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you both! Yes David, that's perfect, much obliged. ✅ NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Protected page
Misplaced question moved to bottom. GermanJoe (talk) 11:53, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Why some pages are blocked for editing, like this one, Ante Starčević.

There is second sentence in the text " His works are considered to have laid the foundations for Croatian nationalism and he is referred to as "Father of the Homeland" by some Croats."

Iam a Croat, so he is referred as a Father of the Homeland, for all Croats, not "by some Croats." His face is on 1000 kunas bill. ?

l wish to say, that l love wikipedia,and truth will win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pax ominam (talk • contribs) 11:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sometimes - in rare cases - pages have to be protected due to vandalism or other disruptive editing. But new editors are still welcome to suggest changes on the article's associated talkpage, in this case Talk:Ante Starčević. Please note that all suggestions for substantial changes should be based on independent reliable sources for verification. GermanJoe (talk) 12:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . What you're referring to is called Wikipedia:Page protection. A page, such as an article, may be protected by an administrator for a variety of different reasons and there are different levels of protection which can be applied, but generally a page is protected to prevent it from being the subject of serious disruptive editing or because even a slight change to the page could affect many other pages indirectly in some significant way. In the case of the article Ante Starčević, the page was protected by an administrator named because of persistent long-term disruption by an editor inappropriately using multiple accounts to try and change the article in some way. The level of protection applied requires that editors been autoconfirmed to edit the page. This is usually done to prevent new accounts created only to cause disruption from editing the article, but you should be able to edit the article once your account has been autoconfirmed. If you would like to know more specific reasons as to why the page was protected, you can ask at User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

All kind of empty space are filled with new energy sources SU(6), SU(12), SU(24)...... etc. as explained details in my articles.
Our Physical Universe actually unfolded with the symmetry breaking of the Super Unified Gaussian Energy Group SU(11), we found new energy sources of SU(6) called latent energy and SU(5) the GUT energy. In the theory of SU(11), it is possible to change 30-number of bosons of SU(6) into 30-number of bosons of SU(5) or vice versa by exchanging the J-bosons of SU(11). There may be possible large number of new unknown strange particles (in wave form) formed by Quark-Like particles are tightly binding by the bosons of SU(6). For details, cordially requested to read my all articles. Several Electromagnetic frequencies of the new energy sources created a Blue- Prints....... etc. Like as SU(6) Created an Electromagnetic Force in the framework of SU(6) × U(1), similarly others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Narayan Kumar Bhadra (talk • contribs) 11:20, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . The Wikipedia Teahouse is really a place for asking questions about Wikipedia editing or Wikipedia in general; so, if you have such a question, feel free to ask. However, neither the Teahouse nor Wikipedia are really places to discuss or promote your own personal research or theories as explained in Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Category list headings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gas_explosions_in_the_United_States How is the ordering processed? Some of them are starting with the year are listed in "0-9" heading, but the 1998 St. Cloud explosion is listed under "S". How does this work out and how do you change where they go? Graywalls (talk) 10:48, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . I believe pages are sorted alphabetically unless their WP:DEFAULTSORT has been set to categorize the page in another way. For example, the default sort for 1998 St. Cloud explosion is set as "Saint Cloud Explosion" which explains why it's listed under "S". -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The sort key can also be set individually for one category of a page. See Categorization. Some of them sort oddly because they have old sort keys from a former article name and need updating. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Why are my edits constantly changed?
Hello,

Why is it that every time I add an edit, and they are always relatable and necessary to the topic, does somebody edit it out? For example I added the fandom name of a Kpop band to their Wikipedia page, and then somebody moved it. Is this not suitable for those Wikipedia pages? What are the rules or regulations for editing a Wikipedia page? I just don’t see why this is constantly being changed.

Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Ajohn711 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, In the case of [this edit the info was already in the article, in the "2016: Debut with Spring Up, Summer Vibes and Autumn Story" section. Normally informtiuon should not be included twice. It would have been helpful if the editor who reverted, had provided a more detailed reason. You could always ask on the article talk page [[Talk:Astro (South Korean band)]], possibly using a ping to alert the editor who undid or changed your edit. Note that all Wikipedia article are normally open to editing by anyone, and all changes that are intended to be helpful are welcome, but none are guaranteed to stay unrevised. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:14, 27 October 2019 (UTC)  DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Perhaps Abdotorg will comment on the reason for the reverts. Meanwhile, I've added a welcome message with some useful links and some info about correct use of the minor checkbox to your talk page. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 00:42, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, so the origin of a fandom name is really not relevant to a wikipedia article about a band, you could say it is WP:FANCRUFT - also the source used is against WP:KO/RS. Abdotorg (talk) 13:45, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Translation of English articles into German
What does one need to translate English Wikipedia articles into German?

- which hardware and software - which knowledge (besides translation capabilities)

Thank You so much Lodidol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodidol (talk • contribs) 15:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse.  No special hardware or software is needed, just a reasonably high level of competence in both languages.  See WP:Translate us for details.  There are some minor differences in the rules of the two separate Wikipedias, but they are broadly similar.   <i style="color: blue;">D</i><i style="color: #0cf;">b</i><i style="color: #4fc;">f</i><i style="color: #6f6;">i</i><i style="color: #4e4;">r</i><i style="color: #4a4">s</i>  15:31, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Ur-Nammu
I have removed a piece of the Ur-Nammu article, the stele piece, several times because it has nothing to do with the article, but it continualy gets re-added. Any ideas? Shrekxy64 (talk) 17:50, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , seems like your edits are reasonable to me. A lot of vandals go around deleting paragraphs for no reason, so it's easy for us to be a little overzealous in putting them back., keep an eye on edit summaries! :) Gaelan 💬✏️ 18:08, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I am realatavely new to editing on Wikipedia, and that is great to know! Shrekxy64 (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Problem with seach in Book sources?
No problem...Figured it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roywirral (talk • contribs) 09:45, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Glad that you got it all worked out! Let us know if another issue arises and we're always glad to help. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:03, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up to First Submission Questions
My question is about citation. How do I source the fact that I viewed the blueprints for the Elizabeth Dunbar Murray house at the Historic Natchez Preservation Society? I took pictures of them, but I'm not sure posting a picture is the right way to go. The blueprints are signed by Robert Edgar Bost, a prolific architect in Natchez at the time the house was built. I would like to include the fact that he was the architect of the home, but I am unable to find a separate written source other than the blue prints. I deleted the fact, and hope that the article is now properly sourced for publication...but I want to keep improving on the information provided. Any productive suggestions from more experienced contributors. This is my first submission, so I apologize for my lack of expertise. AMGMUNSON (talk) 12:40, 27 October 2019 (UTC)amgmunson
 * Courtesy link: Draft:Elizabeth Dunbar Murray
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. If the blueprints are available to the general public at Historic Natchez Preservation Society then they have been "published" as Wikipedia defines that term, and may be cited as a primnary source. Or if they have been reproduced in a book, magazine, or any other publication, or made available online they are also published. In that case they may be cited as a source. The publisher might be the "Historic Natchez Preservation Society" or perhaps some other organization. The title would probably be "Blueprints for the Elizabeth Dunbar Murray house" (or perhaps "Designs for ...") and the author would, I suppose, be Robert Edgar Bost. Then you can refer to facts shown by the blueprints just as you might to facts included in a book. (Is there enough information about Bost in reliable sources to have an article about him as well, do you think?) In any case, do not post the prints online and try to use that as a source. That would not be considered a reliable source, I think. There might or might not be a copyright issue. There is no requirement that cited sources be available online, as long as a reader could in theory access them, perhapos by traveling to the place where they are held.
 * Oh in future please include a wiki-link to any article or draft you are asking about here, as I have done above. Thank you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you .  I will double check with the Historic Natchez Preservation Society.  In the meantime, I will omit the information about the architect for the article I am working on ::Courtesy link: Draft:Elizabeth Dunbar Murray.  I am a leader for a children's organization that focuses on preservation of historical sites and artifacts.  I'm hoping to improve my wikipedia skills so that as a group we can research historic sites and homes for articles on Wikipedia.  As a group, we pass by private homes that have historic significance and have signs posted in front of them.  We would like to research them one by one, and publish a wikipedia article about them so that when others "google" the name on the various signs, accurate historical information is readily available via wikipedia.  It is a lofty goal, but I think it will appeal to the group on many different levels.  I really appreciate your input...this is outside my comfort zone.  The kids are more comfortable with such an online/computer project.  However, I feel like I need to be well steeped in the process in order to guide them not just substantively, but ethically as well.  Once I have an article actually published on wikipedia, I will have the appropriate credibility to approve it as a project for them.  Thank you again for your input.  AMGMUNSON (talk) 17:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)amgmunson


 * In principle, that sounds like a very good idea. Do remember that if any topic, such as a historic house is to have a separate article, that topi must be notable which normally means that there must be multiple independent professionally published, reliable sources which discuss the topic in some detail. Books, magazine and news paper articles and their online equivalents are lal generally acceptable. But fan sites, fora, wikis, self-published web sites (or books) are usually not considered reliable.
 * Also remember that each person who is to edit Wikipedia must have a separate account -- in no event may accounts be shared. Collaborative work between multiple accounts is, however, not only acceptable but encouraged. I would be happy to be of help to you and your group if zi can. You can ask here or on my talk page. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:14, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Also,, if any children or minors are going to be editing Wikipedia, you might want to read, and have them read, Guidance for younger editors. Care in posting personal information is not a bad idea for anyone, but is more urgent for children. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Authority control on Wikipedia articles
In the Women in Red Wikiproject they said * Authority control should be included at the foot of every biography:. It will remain hidden until relevant identifiers have been added to Wikidata. It is not clear what happens after relevent ...etc have been added to Wikidata. Does the hidden authority control the become unhidden? visible? or does it go away completely.Toandanel49 (talk) 13:34, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * hello and welcome to the teahouse. Once the data is there, the authority control becomes unhidden DannyS712 (talk) 20:07, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Posting on Wikipedia
I would like to know if it is possible to simply post an article and for the world to see. Firstly, I can't figure out how to post or how to send an article to be reviewed. And secondly, my articles keep getting deleted for some reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0zwood (talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Howdy hello! You should use the WP:Article Wizard to create draft versions of articles. They will then be reviewed by experienced editors. However, if you're looking to create an Autobiography, Wikipedia just isn't the place for that. If you want to write an autobiography, you should probably use a blogging service like tumblr or blogger. But if you have a subject that is notable, i.e. been written about in the media, feel free to use the article wizard to start writing a draft. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:22, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't actually had an articles deleted yet. What has been deleted, three times, is your user page User:0zwood, because you were using it as a place to draft a potential future article. Thais can be done in your sandbox, or in a user page such as User:0zwood/Lac de Saint-Sernin. Your user page should, if you want one, be used to describe yourself as a Wikipedia editor -- what are your interests, fields of knowledge, etc. You can also include some limited biographical information, but it should not be an autobiography nor read like an article. Look at the user pages of Some of those answering questions here to get an idea of the sort of things experienced editors put on their user pages. But don't worry about that much -- many good editors never create a user page.
 * I see that you have now started a potential article at User:0zwood/sandbox. The tone seems good, but you will need to add citations to reliable sources before this is even ready ti be submitted for review. Please read Referencing for Beginners, Your First Article, and Notability for more information on this process.
 * One deleted version of your user page seemed to be autobiographical, and to imply that you were uinderage. If that is true, please read Guidance for younger editors, and I urge youn to seriously nconsioder its advice.
 * Again, welcome and happy editing. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

WStore of knowledge
Hello again, host bot. I just want to be clear, I only use this space to store my ideas and good thoughts. I will never let a multiple login happen again, and hopefully you folks will find my stuff positive and helpful, even in the smallest way - amusement? Whatever...

Thank you, Rcorsini65 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcorsini65 (talk • contribs) 23:04, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, Rcorsini65! Hostbot is a bot so it cannot reply to your messages, However is there something you had a question about? Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 01:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Is there someone who can edit an article for us please ?
Is there someone who can edit an article for us please ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timhallen101 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Timhallen101, Welcome to the teahouse! The best way to do this is I would suggest you to read Your First Article, then you can go to your sandbox and start the article and ask for other editors opinions and their input, then you can click the submit button on your sandbox and the draft will be reviewed! Thank You. Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 01:50, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I noticed that you used "us" in your question, thus indicating that yours was a multi-user account. Multi-user accounts are not allowed on wikipedia..Oldperson (talk) 02:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Can we please have an article on Winwin of NCT and Wayv?
Hi! Winwin (Dong Sicheng) is a member of the Kpop boy group NCT as well as the Cpop boy group Wayv, and has done numerous endorsement deals in Chinese fashion. He also pursues a career in variety, and has one of the most popular fanbases out of NCT and Wayv members combined. Furthermore, he is a professional traditional dancer that has trained at China's top arts academy and graduated #1 around the nation. When you combine his stellar track record as a young and up and coming dancer/singer with his bright future in the entertainment industry, I believe that a Wikipedia page for him would the most ideal.

Can we please have an article on Winwin of NCT and Wayv? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Namwratha (talk • contribs) 03:17, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Howdy hello! You could ask to have his article created at Requested articles. Alternatively, you can create a draft of his article by using the WP:Article Wizard. Once its ready, you can submit it for review and it can become its own full fledged Wikipedia article. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 03:45, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Question about article
Hi, thank you so much for the invite!

The only question I can think of at the top of my head is: How long does it take for an article you wrote to be added on?

The article I wrote currently says “Draft” on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki user7782974 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi! You need to submit the article through Articles For Creation You can do this by moving the draft to your sandbox, then clicking the submit button, this can take 2 months or more to get your article reviewed as there are over 2000 other articles awaiting review. Thanks. Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 01:43, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

when it gets dark outside in you i confide — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C2:501:E840:866:4F81:2CDE:4B4D (talk) 02:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually there is no need to move a draft to a sanadbox, . Indeed it only makes things more complex. Just edit the draft, and add   to the page. However, do not do this until you think the draft is ready to be reviewed. That means it cites several independent professionally publishes reliable sources and with them establishes the notability of the topic. (read Referencing for Beginners to learn how to format citations.) That it is written in a neutral manner. That it is not at all promotional. Until you have done all this, don't waste your own and other people's time by submitting for review, which can take several weeks -- up to two months or more, depending. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, No need, that was just the only way i knew for sure of how to submit a draft, thought like DES pointed out there are other ways that you can do this Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 03:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If a sandbox is submitted to AfC it is promptly moved to a draft, so moving a draft to a sandbox to submit it only complicates things and confuses the editing history, so it is a poor nidea, althoguh not fatal. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * If this is about Draft:Paballo Koza,  I would say it is not yet ready. IMDB is normally not a reliable source, so you have only two cited sources, and one of them is rather short. That is probably not enough to establish Notability please read our guideline on notability for music articles. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I would like to create an article on SoftinkIC and its automated library product
hello,

I have been tasked with creating an article about Softlink Information Centres (IC) and its automated library software products called Liberty and illumin. I am not sure where to start and would appreciate any help anyone can give me!

Thanks you, Annette Nielsen--Softlink IC (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , First off, I strongly recommend you have your username changed immediately. It is a blatant violation of the wikipedia username policy. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 03:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Howdy hello! For starters, we unfortunately have to let you know about some of our policies regarding paid editing. I see an editor has left a note on your talkpage about paid editing already, but to recap: if Softlink IC is your employer/is paying you in any way, you must disclose that. Once you've done that, you can create a draft version of the article using the WP:Article Wizard. But be warned: Softlink IC likely does not qualify for a Wikipedia article. Only companies with significant coverage, in multiple reliable, independent sources qualify for articles. Very few companies meet that bar. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:01, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

A Nurse’s Voice on Nursing Documentation
hello madam , i want to edit my content and give it for review who should i have to go about it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jansi mary S (talk • contribs) 09:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Article in question is Draft:A Nurse’s Voice on Nursing Documentation. Declined, with mention of inappropriate essay style of writing and lack of referencing. The creator was also notified that Nursing documentation is an existing article. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Personally I'd have rejected rather than declined it. Sourcing isn't the problem - the article is essentially a blog post or thinkpiece, and that's inherent in the title, so it's realistically never going to be suitable for Wikipedia., you need to understand that Wikipedia has articles about notable topics, it is not a place to host your own opinions or perspectives. I don't believe that any amount of editing will make this particular article suitable for Wikipedia, but there are lots of other nursing-related articles that you could work on. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 11:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Help me with italic article title
I have just finished a major update and expansion of DRDO AURA, in which I had moved the article once. This was long overdue. I have used italic title to italicise the article name. Is there a better way of italicising the title, especially so that it’s talk page title also gets italicised? Can some please do it for me if possible? &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 07:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * What makes you think that the article concerned meets the criteria of WP:ITALICTITLE? --David Biddulph (talk) 07:33, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. “Ghatak” is a Hindi word meaning “deadly”. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 07:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I was skeptical, but it says Use italics when italics would be necessary in running text; for example, taxonomic names, the names of ships, the titles of books, films, and other creative works, and foreign phrases are italicized both in ordinary text and in article titles. (emphasis mine). The easiest way is to add to the article. This will cause it to correctly italicize the part before the parens. —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 08:39, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * An editor just removed italic title from that article, saying it doesn’t meet criteria. Was that correct? &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 08:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I removed it according to what said. Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 09:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you or he could explain why the phrase I quoted does not apply? Thanks. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 09:33, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * (the quote is from WP:ITALICTITLE in case that wasn't clear) —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 09:35, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I thought that this was just the term given to the vehicle and not a foreign word. I also changed the italic title before you added that quote. Thanks, Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 11:02, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Willbb234 is right. MOS:FOREIGNITALIC says: "A proper name is usually not italicized". We don't italicize Volkswagen just because it's a word in German, except when actually talking about the word: Volkswagen translates to "people's car" in German. Italics should also be removed from the article text unless it talks about the word like: Ghatak is a Hindi word meaning "deadly". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. &#8212;&#x202F; Vaibhavafro &#x202F;&#128172; 11:47, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of userpages and drafts for block evasion?
General question: Is it appropriate to delete drafts and user pages that are exclusively edited by a now-banned editor and its continued attempts at block evasion via socks and IP? Assume that those pages have not been seriously edited by any other editor, i.e. there is no interest by anyone else to maintain those drafts / user pages.

It seems that there are no speedy deletion criteria for these kinds of drafts (disregarding G13 and other CSD for different but potentially overlapping scenarios). Would it be appropriate for deletion by admin action, or would these need to go through MfD? Alternatively, would indefinite semi-protection be the appropriate solution? — MarkH21 (talk) 06:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Please post links so we can understand the context of what you are referring to. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  06:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I meant this as a general question and I felt it may not be appropriate to blast specific on-going cases (already at admin noticeboards) to such a public general forum. Just in general, is direct admin deletion (or protection) appropriate for user/draft pages by banned users who block evade to edit them or do they have to go through MfD? — MarkH21 (talk) 07:02, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * forgot to ping — MarkH21 (talk) 07:02, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I realize that this is probably the wrong venue for such an admin-related question, and I no longer need as much clarification as at the time of posting. — MarkH21 (talk) 07:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Succh pages are not, in general, speedy deletable, unless WP:CSD applies. I won't link to the page where this was being discussed, as per the request of, although there is no very good  reason not to, and it is easy enough to find, and in no way private. But I have undone the closure of this thread, which IMO was not appropriate here. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Reliable Sources
Are the following reliable sources for a new article?

https://celebslifereel.com/joshua-kim-skunky/ https://informationcradle.com/usa/joshua-kimskunky/ https://smoothieverts.com/smoothie-challenge-w-mightyniecy/ https://acinemaaz.com/official-skunk-net-worth/ https://starnetworths.com/official-skunk-net-worth/ https://www.tubefilter.com/2019/08/06/nike-vidcon-youtube-playlist-series-david-dobrik-liza-koshy/amp/ https://www.kicksonfire.com/nike-sport-court-at-vidcon-recap/ https://www.porterhousela.net/blog/2019/7/22/vidcon

I have spoken to another user. They referred me to you. Youtubercreationarticles (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: I am the user that this discussion was being held with. You can see the whole conversation here. This is being held over Draft:Skunky. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 04:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , no, none of those sources look reliable. They appear to be blogs, directories, or in general not editorially controlled. Our page on reliable sources explains in more detail what we're looking for to consider a source to be a reliable one. Do keep in mind that most YouTubers, even relatively popular ones, would not be considered to pass our notability criteria and so would not be suitable subjects for an article, and that their popularity has absolutely no bearing on whether we should have an article about them. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:35, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * An editor approved the draft, so now article Skunky. In my opinion this was premature, as the existing citations and the proposed citations are not reliable sources, and in some instances only a name-mention. The article should either be moved back to draft or nominated for deletion. David notMD (talk) 05:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have draftified the article, as I do not believe it is ready yet. Better sources are needed, think reliable news sources such as the New York Times. Click baity websites are usually no good. If reliable sources do not exist, then the subject may not qualify for inclusion. Captain Eek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 05:34, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I am inclined to think that a mistake, . Onc a proper AfC reviewer approved it, I would not think it should be returned to draft without some sort of consensus discussion, perhaps on the article talk page, unless yu think this was a gross abuse of discretion by the reviewer. Or you could always have invoked AfD, which can close as "move to draft" but could close as "delete" or "keep". DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:04, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I see that the person who moved it out of draft is not an AfC Reviewer, which changes things a bit. No time for a full discussion now. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs

disambiguation
I have seen the entry about a person and wanted to edit with information about another person with the same name. How do I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksinthelane (talk • contribs) 11:22, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Do you mean that you want to create an article with a title that is "taken"? See WP:QUALIFIER, a common way is to add reasonble parenthesis, like Stuart Reid (politician), what is best depends on context. However, don't try to create an article about someone without reading Help:Your first article and Notability (people) carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:33, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Perficiency
Please have a look at this page for the Perficiency and give some editing advice. How is this page transferred from a draft to a public entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runkelmarcus (talk • contribs) 14:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: User_talk:Michael_Alexander_Missalla. First the simple answer as to how you transfer it from a draft to a public entry: just paste at the top. It will then be reviewed by an experienced editor, which could take several weeks or even longer as there is a large backlog.
 * As for editing advice - your biggest problem is likely to be sources. A neologism like perficiency needs to be in wide use and covered in multiple reliable secondary sources, in order to be included in Wikipedia. The four sources you provide are offline so I can't review them but four academic papers, of which two are clearly co-authored by you the editor who drafted this article, don't give me a strong sense that this is a term in widespread use. The actual reviewing editor once you submit the draft will have to find copies of those sources and review them in full to determine whether I am right or not, though. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 15:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, just to clarify, what is the connection between you and ? <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 15:20, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Zebra Sound Contribution
Hi there!

I recently came across the "List of animal sounds" page, and thought I could add value to the Zebra sound by including an additional name ("snort") + footnote reference that links to a cool article I wrote on the topic (What Sound Does a Zebra Make?).

Is this possible?

Since I am new here, I just want to make sure we're on the same page.

I look forward to your reply.

Cheers! :-)

Michael — Preceding unsigned comment added by AfricaFreak (talk • contribs) 15:50, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, welcome to the teahouse. You should only add links to reliable sources - that generally means a high-quality independent publication such as a major newspaper, a published book, a respectable journal, etc. I don't know where your article is, but if it is on your own website, or on a blog, or otherwise not a reliable source then you definitely should not insert it. If it is a reliable source then it's still not a good idea to add links to articles you wrote yourself, as this is highly likely to be interpreted as spam, so I suggest that you mention it on the Talk Page of the article, making it clear that it is your own article, and ask if another editor would agree to insert it. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 15:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hugsyrup offers sound advice. Please could you link this article you wrote so that we can take a look? Thanks, Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 15:57, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Found it Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 15:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt feedback, much appreciated. Yes, that's the one! I guess I'll leave it up to you, then! ;-) Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AfricaFreak (talk • contribs) 16:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Please sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~ ) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: [[Image:Signature_icon.png]], but do not sign in articles. Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 15:57, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

My contributions list is frozen
When I click on Contributions at the top of my page it did not reflect my recent work. why? Toandanel49 (talk) 13:18, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Your contributions list looks to be up-to-date to me - are there edits missing from it that you would expect to see there? Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 15:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * yes, I have been editing on Characterology for example, and none of those show up. Also my history page turns pink, then yellow a day later and then back to normal, what is that? Toandanel49 (talk) 15:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I can see your edits up to 16:04 UTC today (25 minutes ago). Perhaps you need to purge your browser's cache, or restart your browser or restart your machine. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

How to create a second new page
I created my first page and it was approved. I would like to create another one. I went back to Sandbox > Talk and started writing but I am unable to save my work as before, it only allows direct publishing. I am in the wrong place? How and where do I work on my second page?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DocNerd3000 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome back to the Teahouse. Normally "talk" pages are for discussing what should go on or be changed on the corresponding main page. For example Talk:ExampleArt would be for discussing what should be done in the article ExampleArt. (these are red by default because no such article exits.) A user's main user talk page is special, that is for sending messages to the user, and getting replies, and it should not be moved. An editor's main user page is for describing that editor as a Wikipedia editor, not for general autobiography, nor for acting as a free personal web page.
 * You could start a new draft for an article at User:DocNerd3000/Sandbox or at User:DocNerd3000/Topic (where "topic" would be replaced by the topic of the proposed article). Or you could use Draft:Topic. Personally, I prefer to keep my sandbox for editing tests, and develop new articles in userspace or draft space. You would not normally use a page such as User talk:DocNerd3000/Topic as a place to write about the topic, rather such a page is a meta-page to discuss what should or should not go into the matching user page.
 * I think you may have been confused by the button which has the caption "Publish changes" that does not automatically place changes in the main article space, it simply saves them to whatever page is being edited. It used to be called "save changes" and I for one think it still should be. It was renamed to emphasize that anything saved to the Wikipedia site is visible to anyone, and thus is in a sense "published". There are no private hidden pages.
 * So you can start working on your next article by creating a user page like User:DocNerd3000/Topic, or a draft page like Draft:Topic or a sandbox page like User:DocNerd3000/Sandbox or User:DocNerd3000/Sandbox2. The only difference is that a draft more or less invites others to join in, and a user page does not, or not as much. Oh and drafts are subject to deletion if left untoucehd for 6 months.
 * I hope this is helpful DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:34, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * ~ If you want to edit User:DocNerd3000/sandbox without following the current redirect then first click "Redirected from User:DocNerd3000/sandbox" at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. It is helpful. I will work on my articles in a word document and when ready will save as a draft on the Wikipedia platform to get feedback from all.

Thank you for your advice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DocNerd3000 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Templating
Hello, i am here to ask that i am a junior web developer, and i have started to make real world apps and i want to show that apps in my page. as there any template that i can add my works link there. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukhtar Hossain (talk • contribs) 11:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * - I'm afraid that Wikipedia is not the place to promote your work and I recommend against doing so as if your user page becomes overly promotional, it will end up being deleted. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 13:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Also see WP:UP for what should and shouldn't be on your user page. The link to your website that you want to promote really does not go along with the page's purpose, and should probably be removed, as, for a new user, it tends to look like a violation of WP:NOTPROMO/WP:NOTWEBHOST. Thanks. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 18:37, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Two players, same sport, same name
I just edited baseball in 1926. However, when I entered in the name Heinie Mueller, I learned that there are two pages for former players by that name. I know which one I need, but I'm a little unsure how to edit the page to reflect that.

Thanks for your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsfan1976 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You then disambiguate using year of birth. For example John Smith (born 1743). Thanks, Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 18:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, which page are wanting to edit; the baseball in 1926 page or; the baseballer page? Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 18:19, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings,, and welcome to the Teahouse. As a quick reminder, make sure to sign your posts with four tildes at the end: Looking at the 1926 in baseball page, I see that you have added a link to Heinie Mueller as part of this edit. To direct the link to the right article, you can add a piped link like this:   so the link will read properly in the paragraph (i.e., without the disambiguator) but will link directly to the outfielder's article rather than the disambiguation page.As an aside, I'm not sure why those two articles were disambiguated by position played rather than by birth year, but that's a discussion for WP:RM.   C Thomas<sup style="font-size: x-small; color: brown;">3   (talk) 18:45, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Baseball players have their own naming guideline Naming conventions (baseball players). Position is used before year. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)