Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1038

Quick move
I want to move a series of pages (in my user namespace): I have some pages User:數神/Mersenne/51/2,User:數神/Mersenne/51/3,User:數神/Mersenne/51/4,...,User:數神/Mersenne/51/19, and I realized that I had to move them to User:數神/Mersenne/51/3,User:數神/Mersenne/51/4,User:數神/Mersenne/51/5,...,User:數神/Mersenne/51/20. However, after moving User:數神/Mersenne/51/19 to User:數神/Mersenne/51/20, when I tried moving User:數神/Mersenne/51/18 to User:數神/Mersenne/51/19, I couldn't. I then have to tag User:數神/Mersenne/51/19 for CSD U1, before I could start again. Can someone help me override & solve this problem? 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 05:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . I'm pretty sure that you cannot move any page to a title which already exists; you can blank the page and add the content from another page to it, but you cannot usurp a page's title if another page with the same name already exists (even if it's a blank page). Maybe there's some trick that will enable you to do what you want to do, but tagging the pages you no longer need for speedy deletion might be the only way to do what you seem to what to do. You could try asking for an administrator's help at WP:AN and maybe you can find one who will be willing to delete all the pages you no longer want in one fell swoop.
 * Now for some other stuff.
 * Although we as editors are given a bit a leeway when it comes to things in the user namespace, we are still subject to WP:UPNO, even when it comes to userspace sandboxes. While you'll like be cut some slack when it comes to one page like User:數神/Mersenne/51/2, some might question whether you need 20 such pages. I've got no idea what all of those numbers mean, but you might be better off storing that stuff somewhere other than Wikipedia.
 * Editors are have some freedom when it comes to usernames, but once again they need to be in accordance with WP:UN. While your username might be in accordance with relevant guidelines and WP:NLS, I don't think many editors are going to know how to read it. If they cannot read you're username, then they're not going to know how to address you. So, you might want to considered tweaking your signature in some way so that it's a bit easier for others to read. You don't necessarily need to change your username per se, just make it so that it's easier for others to read when you post things.
 * Perhaps using "Prove me wrong" as a link to your talk is meant as a joke, but some editors might not see it as such and thus be a little hesitant to discuss things with you. Technically, we don't really try to prove others wrong on Wikipedia, but instead try to use relevant policies and guideline to establish a consensus that we are "right". Maybe I'm over analyzing things, but we as editors should want to encourage other editors to come to our user talk page and discuss things, and I'm not quite sure how "Prove me wrong" does that.
 * Since you've only been editing for a little over a month, you're probably still figuring things out and getting the feel for the place. Still it's hard to figure what you're doing when you create user sandboxes like User:數神/A how-to guide/Citation overkill and User:數神/brilliant prose/Shortcuts and how those things are related to improving Wikipedia. While it's OK to experiment with things in your userspace, our main focus as editors should be to improve things in the WP:MAINSPACE. It's through editing in the mainspace that we can truly be WP:HERE by learning how to better edit articles and collaborate with others even if and especially when we make mistakes.
 * -- 05:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchjuly (talk • contribs)
 * , pardon me but I don't see how pages and pages full of digits of one prime number (~2^83M) would be related to improving the encyclopedia? Are you aware of WP:WEBHOST?  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 05:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your tips.
 * For the username part, I first edited in the Chinese wikipedias, so I used a Chinese name.
 * For the part with the numbers, I realized that you may as well delete everything prefixed User:數神/Mersenne/51. The other stuff in my user page are simply intended as Wikipedia jokes :)
 * Yeah, I meant "Prove me wrong" as a joke, but...
 * Yes. Even though it seems that I have made a lot of edits (over 600), as you could see only half is in the Mainspace. Even so, half of that half is reverting vandalism, and much of everything else is working on my 2 math articles. So... Thanks for your advice.
 * By the way, I have some kind suggestion for the Teahouse itself (where AngusWOOF told me to post it here):

I have a (minor) suggestion to give you. Personally, I think the message in the template is too "cringey", and does not quite provide the feeling of being soothing. If it were really disappointing to have a draft rejected, saying that "Hello, XXX! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing" honestly doesn't help. I would recommend changing the text to the following:

Please reply to me if you think these changes are acceptable. Thanks once more. 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 06:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, I surely wasn't aware of WP:WEBHOST then. So can you please help me delete the pages in question? 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 06:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * ,, I would ask an admin to delete those subpages once you've secured the copies somewhere else, where they do host files, if for nothing else than that it might give a wrong impression about your intentions here next time you cross paths with another editor. I wouldn't worry about the username. Personally, I could care less if I can read or pronounce a username as long as copy-paste continues to work. But you could add a readable name in the parenthesis in your signature to resolve the issue. "the lord of math" seems like a title rather than a nickname to call you by. I don't take issue with "Prove me wrong" but if you encounter an editing dispute which you are bound to in time, it might hinder the collegial environment. You can start a discussion on how to improve the template at its talk page. There is no single person with the authority to accept or reject changes suggested by another editor. Regards!


 * I typed the above before I saw your latest response. I think you may have too many pages to tag for deletion individually. And, I am not aware of any tool that allows nominating all subpages. I would seek admin assistance, either at an individual admin's talk page or at WP:AN. That would be as simple as saying, "Could you please delete [insert link here] and all its subpages on my userspace?" An admin passing through here might also do it for you, if they read this. Regards!  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 06:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but that's what my name literally meant. And BTW I submitted a name change request already. The Lord of Math (Message; Contribs) 06:37, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * , and I see that you've already modified your signature. That gives a great impression, that you're willing to accommodate your fellow editors (as long as you don't feel bullied into it). See you around! Best,  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 06:54, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * {{ec||Hello, {{U|數神}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. You may ask to have any page that you created and have been the sole editor of deleted by placing {{tl|db-author}} on it. That should not take too long.
 * You are free to have a user name not in English, or not in latin characters. Many users do.
 * As to your comments on the invitation template, they are intersting. Detaield discussion should be on the template's talk page Wikipedia talk:Teahouse/AfC Invitation. But you may not realize that a reviewer can have the current template sent to a user's talk page when doing a decline by checking a single box -- n1 click. Your sugestion sounds as if it would require a manual reason for each decline, which would slow reviewing just that bit further. look below for an example of the consequences of the current backlog.
 * Thanks for your contributions so far. DES {{sup|(talk)}}{{sub|DESiegel Contribs}} 06:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Naming vs. Consistency & Constant updates & EL
Originally posted this on the helpdesk, but I've had no reply, and it looks like this is the place for more in-depth questions than there :) - ChrisWar666 (talk) 12:34, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


 * , I am only commenting because I would have some acknowledgement that my message has been read even when it is not answered. Feel free to ignore anything that doesn't help. I think the problem might be that you've lumped too many questions into one, try breaking the questions and posting them at the appropriate venues.


 * If NCNT wasn't clear, post at its talk page seeking clarifications.
 * Post the sub-question about whether there is a specific notability guideline for royalty at the talk page of WP:N.
 * Post the Team Trees question at the talk page of that article, or the talk page of WP:TRIVIA. Or BOLDLY remove the table with an edit summary clearly explaining your reasoning and wait for someone to revert, then discuss it with them.
 * You can remove links that you feel are inappropriate. I can not imagine a scenario where an Amazon listing might be a legitimate citation. Again, your question about amazon/itunes etc. could be discussed at the talk page of WP:AMAZON. You could ask the "music videos on songs" question at the talk page of WP:WikiProject Music or at WT:Video links. And of course, there is always the talk page of the article which specifically has the issues that concern you.


 * You might even have better luck here if you asked these questions one at a time or as follow-ups, as relevant. Regards!  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 08:05, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Legacy of the Coldplay Band
Hi, I'm Bob Water Voltron, and on this occasion we would like everyone to work on the legacy of the Coldplay band. It would be very clear to do that. Thanks for your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob Water Voltron (talk • contribs) 19:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, your query/request is unclear, at least to this native BrE speaker.
 * What is "this occasion"?
 * By "the Coldplay band" do you mean the band called Coldplay, or some other entity?
 * What would it mean for people at Wikipedia to "work on its legacy"? Do you mean you want a section entitled "Legacy" to be added to the Coldplay article, or something else?
 * What do you mean by "it would be very clear to do that"? This makes no obvious sense in the context.
 * {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.217.209.178 (talk) 02:21, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition to the questions above, I must also ask, what do you mean by “we”? Please be aware that Wikipedia accounts may not be used by multiple people, nor must you give the impression that a single account represents multiple people. Hugsyrup 07:39, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * To my understanding, a legacy is that which is left behind. As Coldplay are a still operating band it is not yet possible to assess their legacy anyway. Britmax (talk) 11:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I want to know why my submission was declined
If you are angry that you've heard this question asked for the ten-millionth time, please note that this may be a systemic problem. There is nothing personally against you in my "wanting to know why my article was declined." If someone could compare the article I wrote with the same-titled article that was approved, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

If I was asked to self-critique my article, I'd probably say that an encyclopedic entry typically does not include upcoming events. To this I would reply that "Wikipedia is not a typical encyclopedia." To those who would object to an upcoming event's Wikipedia page featuring betting odds, facts, which were subject to change, I can certainly accept this critique.

Please give me additional feedback if you could. I am a bit disappointed about having my article blocked, then replaced by an inferior article at a later time, possibly after the race. Peace to you all, thanks for your work, Adam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Good day1 (talk • contribs) 05:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello and good day to you, ! Although we do get a lot of posts asking why their submission was declined, that's what we're here for. And every case benefits from the human touch, which is why we link to the Teahouse instead of a FAQ page.
 * Only administrators can view deleted pages, so we'll have to wait for one on this. Just a heads up on why this might take some time.  Usedtobecool  TALK ✨ 06:18, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you refer to Draft:2019 Tour of Flanders it was declined because we already had (and still have) an article 2019 Tour of Flanders, and we don't want duplicate articles on the same topic. If there was anything in your draft missing from the article, you were and are welcome to edit it into the article, on the same basis as any other edit.
 * The draft was later deleted because it had been left untouched for 6 months, but if you want it restored to mine for content to edit into the article, you can ask at WP:REFUND or ask me right here.
 * The draft was not "blocked", nor was it replaced. You first created the draft on 17 January 2019, but it was not reviewed until 14 March 2019. But the existing article was created on 12 March 2019‎. As to the relative quality of the two versions of the topic, I won't attempt to judge. But as I said, you were and are free to improve the article now in the main article space. You wrote of "my article" but no one owns any Wikipedia page, much less any article or draft. I will note that the current version of the article is much improved over the initial version.
 * I suspect that had the draft you created been reveied sooner, it might well have been approved, but no one will ever know that. The delay in reviewing drafts is a problem, but there are no magic solutions. I am sure it was frustrating for you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Addressing your second 'graph, while Wikipedia is not a typical encyclopedia, it does necessarily have what the community over the years have found consensus on being encyclopedic standards (e.g., WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTAL), an unending discussion of which can be found by searching the various pages in the "Wikipedia talk" namespace. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 08:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with most of your analysis, but I would speculate that the draft was seen by some reviewers during the two-months limbo period, but it was silently ignored because it did not fall into either a "reject" or a "pass". That is actually in my view a significant flaw in the AfC/NPP system: compared to what guidelines would require in an ideal world, AfC reviewers are mostly neutral between passing and declining (maybe there is a small-ish incentive to decline when the article's formatting/grammar is not good); whereas new page patrollers have a strong incentive to pass, or at least not "decline", everything that does not fall into a WP:CSD, because sending to AfD requires the WP:BEFORE work. Tigraan Click here to contact me 10:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

As mentioned above, you have the opportunity to improve on 2019 Tour of Flanders, even though someone else created it. Wikipedia is cumulative. There was a recent incident where one person created a draft and another copied it verbatim to make it an article in main space (not the situation with you). In that instance, the draft creator was acknowledged in the article creation history, and the plagiarizing editor was blocked (for that transgression and also sockpuppetry). David notMD (talk) 14:09, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

This image works on English Wikipedia, but not Simple English Wikipedia.
There's this image of Jim Cronin, the zookeeper, that has the file name of "Jim Cronin.jpg". The image works on English Wikipedia, but not Simple English Wikipedia. How can I make that image also work on Simple English Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Childishbeat (talk • contribs) 10:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello ,
 * because the file is uploaded under fair use, rather than being a free image, it has to be uploaded separately to each Wikipedia, as the justification for its use only applies to one article.
 * In the case of the Simple English Wikipedia, there doesn't seem to be a non free content policy I can find. You may need to ask at their help desk in this case, but it may be that they don't allow any non free content.  Oxon Alex    - talk  11:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello ,
 * I did a little bit of research on the image use policy see . Images are not allowed to be uploaded on the wiki itself. They must come from Wikimedia Commons. Commons does not allow non-free content and therefore non-free content and fair use images are not allowed on the Simple English Wikipedia. Does that help? Interstellarity (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello ,
 * I did a little bit of research on the image use policy see . Images are not allowed to be uploaded on the wiki itself. They must come from Wikimedia Commons. Commons does not allow non-free content and therefore non-free content and fair use images are not allowed on the Simple English Wikipedia. Does that help? Interstellarity (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I did a little bit of research on the image use policy see . Images are not allowed to be uploaded on the wiki itself. They must come from Wikimedia Commons. Commons does not allow non-free content and therefore non-free content and fair use images are not allowed on the Simple English Wikipedia. Does that help? Interstellarity (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

HI
Hi Everyone. Would love some help in creating article for DiscountFlights.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4102:9A30:A84C:ECD:1D2A:3C8 (talk) 17:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * We can't help you with that, Wikipedia is not the place for promotion. The company is also not notable and has not been mentioned in reliable secondary sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:45, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Dan Shafer Article
Hello friends

"This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified." I looked at 10 different article on the same subject, Sundance Head, Frank Simms, etc..I used legitimate resources, THE VOICE, THE TENNESSEAN, NBC TELEVISION, etc... ALL can be verified. Can someone help me get this completed? I would greatly appreciate your help. I spent MONTHS on this. Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jingleman2 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * You already posted a similar question at the Help Desk . Please refrain from posting the same thing across multiple forums. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Template help
I want to know about the necessary syntax to repeat some text several times (in a template). For example, given text "Lorem ipsum" and number $n$, it produces n copies of "Lorem ipsum". Please help me. 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 05:57, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , Module:String appears to offer this functionality. Eman  235 / talk  06:09, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, I want to insert a table into Module:String. So can you pls help me with the formatting? Thx. 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 06:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * So I used this code: 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 06:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , hm, I'm not sure what the solution is here, being as generally unversed as I am in template arcana; the folks at WP:VP/T might be able to help you better. Eman  235 / talk  22:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Speciesbox
There is a page about the plant Foleyola billotii in Spanish Wikipedia https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foleyola_billotii, and there is not a page in English Wikipedia. I would like to construct the english language page but I cannot understand how the speciesbox works. It pulls information from somewhere. Where can I find a description of how it works, please? MerielGJones (talk) 20:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * It's explained here: Automated taxobox system/intro. I don't quite understand it myself, but you can at least start by copying the page of a related species such as Iodanthus, and if it doesn't turn out right you can post a message at WT:PLANT and someone will assist. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Speciesboxes are part of the WP:Automated taxobox system. That page the relevant links to the more common situations. That said, it appears that Foleyola billotii is the sole species in a monotypic genus? In that case, the page should, per WP:MONOTYPICFLORA, be created at the genus name Foleyola. In spite of being at genus title, the article should still use a speciesbox, though, due to articles of monotypic genera covering both genus and species. (Relevant information is at Template:Speciesbox/doc, and especially at the section Template:Speciesbox/doc)
 * That said, while speciesboxes/automatic taxoboxes are easy and fairly instinctive to work with once used to them, they're not necessarily easy to start out with, especially since you're starting with a slightly more complex situation (a monotypic genus). If you'd prefer, you could just create the article without the speciesbox and drop me a line on my talkpage (or WP:Ping me) once it's been created, and I'll add the speciesbox for you. AddWitty  NameHere  21:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Many thanks to you all. I will look at the pages you mention, have another go and then contact one of you if I still can't get it to behave! MerielGJones (talk) 21:18, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for fixing it!! MerielGJones (talk) 22:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, .  AddWitty  NameHere  22:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Help with editing a redirect
While I was editing some space related pages, I stumbled upon Steam and Superheated steam. Saturated steam currently redirects to Superheated steam when in all actuality it should redirect to steam. There is a section called "saturated steam" on the "superheated steam" page because it is illustrative to help describe the departure from equilibrium that superheated steam is.

My question is to see if it would be best practice to do that redirect myself, or if a discussion needs to happen first. My apologies if this is one of those commonly asked questions that I should be able to find myself. Thanks ahead of time for your help! PedanticLlama (talk) 21:11, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The explanation on Superheated steam is more clear than the section on Steam, but I agree that the target should be changed. You can just be bold and change it yourself, maybe expand a bit on the section in Steam with a bolded term. If someone reverts you you can discuss it at Redirects for discussion. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm trying to map out a logical way for the articles to be separated over here to move some of the info from Superheated steam to where it should be. Ok! I'll be bold and change the redirect and keep working on both articles. Thanks for highlighting the next steps for me if it ends up getting reverted. PedanticLlama (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Double thanks! I just saw your reference to have it directed to a section with the phrase bolded, thanks for correcting that for me! I had italicized the phrase in that section previously (another term that's similarly important is italicized there). Is bolding the best practice for that sort of thing? PedanticLlama (talk) 23:36, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * We try to use bolding sparingly apart from the intro, but it can be helpful for those following incoming links. Italicizing is also fine, but neither is required. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:11, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Article about "Olla" movie has disappeared...
Hello there,

I am a film fan, I saw Olla, a short movie made by Ariane Labed (a famous actrice who has already a huge page on wikipedia). The film is great, and goes in every major film festivals. I've seen it a second time and I checked if a page was here on wikipedia. Not there, so I wrote it, following rules, directions from other article about movies and I did add citations from reliable sources like website from major film festivals (Cannes, London, Telluride...) as well as link from wikipedia : like the director's wikipedia page Ariane (where the movie is already named !) and the editor as well already on wikipedia.

Today I learn that it goes to Sundance, another massive film festival... want to add this on the page and... the page has been deleted ! Can you tell me what happened ? Where is the writing ? Can I modify it to make it exist ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HewnJane (talk • contribs) 15:45, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , Hello! it appears that the article is still a draft. Draft:Olla (2019 film). I assume it was draftified (moved to draft space) MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 15:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , as a new user, you can't create articles yourself, without going through the process of Articles for Creation. At the moment the draft is awaiting review at AFC, at which point it will either become a full article, or you will be given the steps that need to be done to improve it so it can become an article. The AFC review process isn't particularly quick, so it's a case of waiting for it to be reviewed at the moment.  Oxon Alex    - talk  15:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * has already made enough edits to be able to create articles in the regular "mainspace".
 * Also, there are alternatives to the Articles for creation process even for brand-new accounts, such as creating the page in userspace (e.g., at User:HewnJane/sandbox) and then moving the page when it's ready. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Library science
Perlekhan kiya Bhai — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:24A2:DB35:F5B4:D27F:74C0:1704 (talk) 06:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello IP editor. Welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for newcomers to ask questions about how to edit Wikipedia. Do you have something you need help with? Or are you wanting to suggest an improvement to the article on Library science? Nick Moyes (talk) 10:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Joining a WikiProject
When I want to join a wiki project should i ask first, or should i just throw myself in? All hail Armok (talk) 21:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Just throw yourself in there :) – Thjarkur (talk) 21:15, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! All hail Armok (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * WikiProjects are only there to join together people with a similar interest, they're usually not very rigid – Thjarkur (talk) 21:18, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Adding slightly to what said, some - but by no means all -  WikiProjects are no longer anything like as active as they once used to be. Participiting in, or starting new topics in their Talk pages is a good way to keep that activity going, or even reviving them. And one element that most WikiProjects have is a really helpful but complex-looking quality assessment section. This contains a table showing you every article that has been tagged on their talk pages as being related to that Wikiroject. You'll see columns showing relative 'Importance' and rows across the table showing their quality assessment. These are great places to look for things to do. Maybe 'High importance' 'Stubs' are the ones to look at first. Are they still correctly assessed? Are there simple things can you do to improve them? Are there tags on the articles which have raised concerns you can address? If you need any further advice, just pop back. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 10:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Copyright for my own photos of purchased work of art
Hi everyone,

I own a painting by a contemporary artist who has a Wikipedia page. Can I upload my own photo of this painting to their Wikipedia page? Or does the copyright, even in this case, still belong to the original artist?

Thanks for any advice.

Vapor57 (talk) 08:21, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. In short, and taking your points in order: a) Congratulations, b) No, and c) Yes.


 * When you buy a painting, you normally only acquire the owership of it, not the intellectual rights embodied within it. I.e. you won't own the copyright of that artwork unless (very unusually) you have documentary evidence that you commissioned the work and that they explicitly transferred those rights to you. We don't offer definitive copyright advice here on Wikipedia, as this is handled by a special breed of pedant over at Wikimedia Commons - a sister project with its own rules, mainly designed to protect the interests of rights holders, and to keep the Wikimedia Foundation free of litigation for breaching those rights.
 * You can read more at https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules and https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_subject_matter where, for artwork, you can find this statement:


 * "If the original artwork remains in copyright a license from the artist is nearly always needed. Mere physical ownership of an original artwork such as a painting does not confer ownership of the copyright: that remains with the artist"
 * Does this answer your question? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast and clear answers. All good. Vapor57 (talk) 10:44, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Article not yet approved.
Hello,

i am a new writer on Wikipedia and i think this website is going to become my new favorite website.

i see a notice saying the article has no Notability, i respectfully disagree is there any way i could improve on my first article to be published? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Armin_van_Niekerk

Kind Regards John — Preceding unsigned comment added by John19993 (talk • contribs) 11:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft has no sources in it whatsoever(you have some links but its not clear what is being referenced, please read about how to format references); all article content must be supported with independent reliable sources; sources that have chosen on their own to give significant coverage of the subject.  That coverage must indicate how the subject meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability- which for people is written at this link. Looking at your draft it is not immediately clear to me how the individual you wrote about is notable; the number of website visitors and Instagram followers(which are relatively low) does not establish notability. 331dot (talk) 12:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Please try not to be discouraged, as successfully writing a new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia. If you haven't already, you should read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about the process. 331dot (talk) 12:06, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Inserting a Reference into a Wikipedia Page
Hi, Could someone tell me how I can insert a book reference into a Wikipedia page, if this is possible? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebdavies11 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome, and thanks for wanting to add citations. See WP:REFB and WP:TUTORIAL for guidance on how to do references.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * More specifically,, a citation to a book is most often done with cite book inside  tags (although there are other ways). Follow the documentation at Template:cite book, and do read the other links provided by RudolfRed above. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:47, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Adding an External Link
How do I add an external link to an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpriest (talk • contribs) 01:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . You should find some information on how to do such a thing in Wikipedia:External links. One things about external links though is that while it's generally considered OK to add them to an "External link" section (if they are considered OK per WP:ELNO), it's not considered OK to try to add them to bodies of articles. --Marchjuly (talk) 02:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh and . please in future don't ask the same quest in two differet places, such as here and on the Help desk. Thank you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I am not on the high tech level like you. It would have been nice if you would have anwered my question rahter than provide me a link. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpriest (talk • contribs) 20:19, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi
If your account gets blocked, do your edits get deleted (even if they are legitimate) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumshoe97 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, your edits will stay here forever unless the article itself ends up being deleted. We need to keep a record of who made which edit for copyright attribution. In some cases where someone is already a banned user but has created a sockpuppet, we might undo all the sockpuppet's edits, but the edits would still be visible in the history. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would also like to add that your individual edits would get deleted if it meets certain criteria. This is called revision deletion. The criteria for this can be found here. Interstellarity (talk) 21:14, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Question in adding in a Celebrity Orthodontist page
Hi,

I would like to add in a celebrity orthodontist to Wikipedia. I attempted to submit the page but was unable to.

What am I doing wrong? There have been many publication mentions of her name, see here for all links: http://www.allthingsdrbobbi.com/about-us/

Thanks in advance for any help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbipeterson (talk • contribs) 21:58, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. So you want to write about yourself? Please read the autobiography policy as to why this is not a good idea.  Your sandbox draft was basically an advertisement and I had to delete it as such, I'm afraid.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a place for people to tell the world about themselves.  Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about article subjects, not what the subject wants to say about itself. 331dot (talk) 22:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I did take a look at the sources on www.allthingsdrbobbi.com and they are insufficient to demonstrate notability. There needs to be more independent coverage in reliable third party sources.  For example, the sources say Dr. Peterson is a celebrity dentist, but there's nothing about which celebrities are her patients.  Blogs and anything pay for play don't count as independent.  TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  22:14, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

request for Busuioc Olga
Hello dear Wikipedia organization

My name is Olga Busuioc,

I have a page on Wikipedia

I’m a opera singer. There is very old info witch I Try to change ... the actuall info is also on my official web’Site

Can you check please, and help me to update the actuall info

this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Olga_Busuioc&oldid=930487853

thanks

Busuioc Olga

www.olgabusuioc.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olga Busuioc (talk • contribs) 21:28, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


 * You should first read the guideline on autobiographies. You are strongly discouraged from editing your page, but you can propose changes on the talk page. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 21:49, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Also note that you cannot use your own website as a reliable source per WP:SPS. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 21:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is more info about making an edit request Simple conflict of interest edit request. You would put the request here Talk:Olga Busuioc. I think there was some decently sourced material about your notable performances that was recently removed by an editor who was perhaps a bit overzealous in response to concerns about inside editing, but you should be able to get other opera fans to help you bring the most worthy info back. You could post a note on the talk page for Wikiproject Opera to get more attention. TimTempleton (talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:28, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

List of worst sports teams
There is already on Wikipedia pages for films, TV shows, or music considered to be the worst. In that spirit, I think it would be of interest to create a page for sports teams to be considered the worst. You'd have the 1899 Cleveland Spiders on that list for worst baseball teams. The Spiders were so bad they hired a bartender to pitch in one of their games. I think some of these pages could turn out to be quite interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsfan1976 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it would be tough- but not impossible- to write such a page. It would need to be based on what independent reliable sources generally consider to be the "worst" teams. 331dot (talk) 21:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Several sources that could be the basis of a stub pop up with a simple search. These could be broken down by sport. [] [] []. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

My first article got rejected - anyone advise how the page I created could have got approved?
I'm keen to contribute and thought I'd take my first stab at writing article about my local school. It got rejected for the reason of 'sounds like a promotion'. That clearly wasn't the intention and I did follow the similar format as other schools. Anyone available to review what I wrote and tell me where I went wrong?

Would be most appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeversA (talk • contribs) 17:01, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you have found out the hard way that successfully writing a new article is the most challenging task on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice.  In looking at your draft, it has no independent reliable sources to support its content.  This is why it seemed like an advertisement, because it just told about the school and its offerings, as a brochure about the school might. Wikipedia articles are not for merely telling about the subject; they should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about the subject and show how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability.  Using other articles about the same subject matter as a guide is risky, as those articles may also be inappropriate.
 * You may find it helpful to read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about what goes into creating an article. You might also want to edit existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates. 331dot (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Draft:Windrush Valley Private School Oxfordshire ‎ DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:09, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I must agree with what 331dot said above. To illustrate this, I wan tto point out a specific example: The draft now includes the following text:
 * That sounds as if it comes right out of a school advertising publication or off the school web site. It does not sound like an independent factual description in an encyclopedia. This partly a matter of tone, and partly of sourcing and verifiability. Who says that the curriculum is "broad", for example. Moreover, the draft currently seems to cite only a single independent source, the Oxford Mail, and that story seems to be based largely on a school press release or on the award announcement, which reduces its value. There really should be at least three independent sources each giving significant coverage of the topic for a valid article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That sounds as if it comes right out of a school advertising publication or off the school web site. It does not sound like an independent factual description in an encyclopedia. This partly a matter of tone, and partly of sourcing and verifiability. Who says that the curriculum is "broad", for example. Moreover, the draft currently seems to cite only a single independent source, the Oxford Mail, and that story seems to be based largely on a school press release or on the award announcement, which reduces its value. There really should be at least three independent sources each giving significant coverage of the topic for a valid article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

DES and 331dot - thanks so much for your helpful critique and guidance. I have re-submitted the page taking into account both your comments. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeversA (talk • contribs) 17:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You did remove some content, but you just added test scores(and still not sourced). Unless these test scores received massive coverage in the news or other reliable sources, they wouldn't merit the school an article. 331dot (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I want to be clear that in addition to removing promotional text, or rewriting it so tha tit is factual and neutral ij tone, you need to cite independent sources, each including significant coverage which together demonstrate notabaility See our guideline on the notability of organizations. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


 * , schools are rather a tough subject viz. notability. We've generally allowed diploma granting secondary schools some amount of an assumption of notability. That has never applied to schools that don't offer final diplomas. I would suggest abandoning this. Your fight to get this article in Wikipedia likely won't be fruitful, and rather than stress over it and sour on Wikipedia because of that, starting anew with a more likely to be notable subject would be your best bet. Writing a new article is one of the most difficult tasks for a Wikipedian. Perhaps both you, and the encyclopedia would benefit more by you working in other areas until you've a better sense of notability. WP:N is probably the most difficult to understand of all our policies and guidelines. If you edit existing articles, you do not have to worry about it. Notability is simply whether or not a subject qualifies for an article. John from Idegon (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * While I generally agree with you,, I find your comment about diplomas being significant odd from a British perspective, because I have never heard of any British school awarding a diploma: it's just not part of our educational system as far as I know. --ColinFine (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What do they do to indicate someone has graduated or otherwise successfully moved on from the school?(genuine question) 331dot (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That would be a better question for Kudpung or Steven (Editor). My knowledge of the British system is limited. Another term we've used for the same situation is "terminal school". The school in question only goes to age 11. That's prior to the mandatory education age, no? John from Idegon (talk) 21:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Does this help? National Diploma (United Kingdom) <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Article still a Draft
Hi! I have a question about my article NIBES: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:NIBES

It's a Draft since a while and I am not sure why.

Could you please help me with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comire1996 (talk • contribs) 07:19, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . Drafts don't automatically become articles on their own after a certain amount of time has passed. They need to be manually moved to the WP:MAINSPACE by an editor. An WP:AUTOCONFIRMED editor may move the draft themselves, but they also may submit the draft for review to Wikipedia:Articles for creation instead. Your account is not yet autocomfirmed, but even if it was I would not advise you to move the draft yourself because it would not likely survive very long if you did. So, I think you might want to take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) since those two pages explain what is needed for a draft like the one you're trying to write to be accepted as an article and then take a look at Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners because those pages will give you information about how to properly write and source a Wikipedia article. In addition, if by chance you're connected to NIBES in anyway, I suggest that you carefully read through Wikipedia:Conflict of interest because even if a Wikipedia article can be written about NIBES, you might not be the best person to do so if your connected to it. I'm going to add Template:AfC draft to the top of draft. This template will contain a button that will allow you to submit the draft for review when you think it's ready; however, I wouldn't suggest doing so right now until your able to add more sources to it that shows how NIBES is Wikipedia notable per WP:ORGDEPTH. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi again . I see that despite my post above that you went ahead and submitted the draft for review and that it was declined by an AfC reviewer named . Perhaps, you didn't notice my answer to our question and that's OK. However, as I briefly mentioned above, you're going to have provide multiple independent sources which establish the Wikipedia notability of NIBES for an article about it to be ultimately accepted. Many drafts get declined the first time they're submitted, so don't get discouraged. You can continue working on the draft and adding citations to it and making other improvements, but the key thing is going to be to find better sources. Please take a look at WP:SIGCOV and WP:ORGDEPTH for the kind of sources and kind of coverage about NIBES you should be looking for. You can always submit the draft for another AfC review once you've added more sources, but I don't suggest submitting essentially the same declined version since it will almost certainly be declined a second time. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Citing from the public domain?
Hi all. In one of my draft pages I'm citing an image that is in Wikimedia and is in the public domain. If the author is listed, is it still best practice to cite them? For reference, the other images I'm using are cited with their creators under CC BY-SA 3.0 or 4.0.

Thanks for your help! Brsmith19 (talk) 23:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. For both texts and images, even those long our of copyright, we indicate the author or creator when this is known, not as a matter of copyright, but to properly give credit, and to allow the reader to better judge the value  of resources that we include or link to. We also give the date when this is known, for similar reasons. a 100-year-old image may not seem as authoritative or reliable as a more recent one, and a 1500-year old drawing even more so. It is not needed, however, to include "public domain" (nor a license tag) in an image caption -- copyright status and licensing information is normally found on the image description page, which is linked from the image. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you're referring to the captioning of images in Draft:Induced cell cycle arrest. Unless it is important in the context of the topic to include the author of an image (e.g. you might use two images produced by two different people and those images tell opposing stories, and that story or disagreement between image authors is germane to the article), then you should NOT include the image author or the licencing in that caption. Whilst credits like these are good practice in a scientific journal, it is bad practice here, as it is a simple matter for anyone wanting to know about more about the image, its author or its licencing to simply click on it and read it for themselves. The policy which guides us on this issue can be found at MOS:CREDITS. Hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help DES and Nick Moyes! I've changed that on the draft. All the best, Brsmith19 (talk) 00:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Fresh start or no?
Hello!

I used to edit Wikipedia under the name of CryfryDG (now Renamed user Vg9BT59uw%). My last legacy edit under this account was on 00:02, 31 March 2018. I'm writing this on a global account that I created for Wikimedia Commons. I do feel, however, like editing Wikipedia again. My past account did not have a lot of article edits - so I'm wondering if I should start editing articles under this global account, or request a name change for my "Renamed user" account and go from there? Any advice from anyone is appreciated – thanks in advance! ToxiBoi (talk) 01:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . See Wikipedia:Clean start for more, but as long as your other account is not blocked or otherwise sanctioned in anyway and that you're reasons for wanting to edit under a new one are not to WP:EVADE, then I think it's up to you. You can just abandon the other account and never use it again; however, if you're trying to get a true "fresh start" then you going back and editing articles or subject matters you used to edit might not be such a great idea. While it's true that others may primarily notice our usernames when looking at our edits, they still are looking at our edits; so, if you go back and edit the same articles you used to edit, making the same types of edits, or posting the same types of comments, etc. others may suspect or guess that it's really you despite the new account and new username. In certain cases, you might find yourself be accused of inappropriately using multiple accounts; in other cases, you might find that someone you're trying to avoid now knows where to find you. A "fresh start" will only really work if it's 100% fresh. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Citing sources from other languages
I am working on a draft for which no English sources have been found, but there are several Chinese sources. So how do I cite a source in another language? What do I put in the title: the Chinese title, the English translation, or both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 數神 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you use templated citations 9as i would advise, the title parameter should show the title in it original language, here Chinese, but the trans-title should give a translation of this title into English. See Help:Citation_Style_1. If the title is given in Chinese characters rather than a transliteration, use script-title Note also that if you quote the source, MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE says:
 * I hope that is helpful. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Just a correction, but the syntax for script-title is not , but rather  .  The "xx" in this case is the two-letter language code for the language the source is written in. Unlike a lot of languages, there are multiple possibilities for Chinese and you can find the various language codes at List of ISO 639-1 codes. You can leave out the language code out if you like, and the template should still work OK if you do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . I seem to have made an error (now fixed above) copying the parameter name. The full and correct syntax is at the Help page linked above. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

How's this draft?
Cam you review this draft I made? I know you guys are not draft reviewers but do me a favor of helping me make a better draft ready to go live on Wikipedia. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jake The Great 908 (talk • contribs)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I see some concerns wit your draft. It does little more than tell that this short film exists, and has few independent reliable sources to support its content.  Of the four sources, one is merely a link to its YouTube page(for the viewership numbers, which are easily gamed and not an indication of notability), one is a routine announcement of its release, one is its IMDB listing(which is not a reliable source as it is user-editable), and another is an interview with those that made the film, which is not an independent source. There needs to be significant coverage of this film in independent reliable sources that show how it meets the notability guidelines for films in order for it to merit an article.  You may find it helpful to read Your First Article for more information about the process. 331dot (talk) 01:29, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thank you for your feedback. By the way, where's the column which should appear at the top of Draft pages which can be used to submit the draft and to find sources? Thank you! <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px rgba(17,189,172,1)">Jake The Great!📞talk! 02:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It isn't there, because you didn't create this using the article wizard or in any other way place it under the articles for creation project. You can place it there and submit it all at once by adding   to the top of the page. Do be aware of the several thousand drafts now awaiting review, and don't expect an immediate response. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi
How do you change your username? Gumshoe97 (talk) 15:04, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Gumshoe97, and welcome to the Teahouse! The easiest way to change your username is to use this form; you need to have an email address connected to your account in order to use it. If you do not have an email address connected to your account, you can also make a request on this page. — k6ka  <span title="Canadian!" style="color:red">🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 15:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Just adding to make sure your new username comply with the WP:username policy Thanks!  Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 01:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

UTC)
 * Agreed that we should try to improve most articles, but those of us who think the articles are not worth keeping get a pass. By the way – did you review the sourcing? It’s a great example of Wikipedia’s blind spot for things that seem notable but aren’t. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  02:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you don't think that the article should exist, you are certainly not required to help improve it, but commenting to this effect in response to a question on how to work on the article is not, in my view, very helpful or appropriate. I reviewed the AfD, including your arguments there, and did not find them persuasive. But that is a debate for another forum, specifically AfD. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds good - good luck improving the article. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  07:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Create a page about allyl isocyanide
I want to create a page but please help me how to do it.or else please create a page for the above topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siwan2002 (talk • contribs) 11:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * it looks to me as if this topic is already covered at Isocyanide. If you are very confident that Allyl Isocyanide is independently notable enough to justify its own page, then you can create one by following the instructions at WP:AFC, but please be warned that the technical steps to creating a page are the easy part - the hard part is understanding and meeting Wikipedia's guidelines for what is notable enough to be included. I suggest you read WP:GNG and WP:RS before creating the page, and double-checking that you are certain you have enough sources to demonstrate the notability of this topic. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 12:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . We don't create pages for users here, but we can point you in the right direction of ways to achieve that end for yourself. First off, there is already mention of allyl isocyanide at the isocyanide page. So first I'd ask if it's chemically appropriate to expand the existing article, or is Allyl cyanide a more closely related compound? If not, we have a way to get other people to create articles - see WP:Requested Articles and specifically you might add your request at Requested articles/Natural sciences/Chemistry, ensuring you include a link to relevant high-quality reliably published sources of information (maybe something this?) Things don't happen overnight there - sometimes nobody is interested in doing it!
 * Creating an article from scratch is one of the hardest tasks to achieve here, especially for beginners, although it's fractionally easier for rigidly scientific subjects than it is for waffly stuff about trivial celebrities and dull sportspeople (in my view!). As there's no rush, and as learning how to edit is a valuable journey in itself, I would suggest first learning the basics of how we operate by undertaking The Wikipedia Adventure. This is a fun, interactive tour you can do. Then should then read Your First Article. We always recommend creating a draft article first, which you can work on before submitting it for review and helpful feedback. That page includes a link to an 'Article Wizard' to help you do just that.
 * I hope that between the two replies we've given you it's enough of an answer to help you achieve your goal. Pop back if you have further questions. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia Bots
Hello, looking to make some more simple edits on Wikipedia on my free time, wondering if a bot exists that allows humans to work with it and check over its edits as it goes, allowing for accuracy. Thanks in advance!

MrAKinsey (talk) 12:43, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if there are any bots available for general use by editors. However, it sounds as if what you might want is AutoEd. This is a tool which recommends simple edits to pages (tidying things up, removing stray spaces, fixing formatting errors, etc) and you can then confirm those edits and submit. You must, of course, take responsibility for making sure all the edits are appropriate. There are also a lot of other scripts here User_scripts/List, some of which may also help you to make small edits quickly, however I don't know so much about all of these, so you should make sure to do your research and read any accompanying guidelines before using them. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 12:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I used to like using the live spell-checking element of User:Lupin/Anti-vandal tool, which I modified slightly to run for longer then let it run in the background for a couple of hours every morning and, in my lunch-break, sat eating a sandwich and correcting typos. If that interests you, you're welcome to follow the instructions and use the original script, or copy and use my slightly modified (i.e. improved) version at User:Nick Moyes/recent2test.js. More experienced editors can seek permission to use the very powerful AutoWikiBrowser, but I think it's a bit too soon to be recommending you that one right now. Whatever you do, the 'gnomish' work of tidying things up is an overlooked but much-appreciated contribution that anyone with a bit of spare time can make. Thanks for your interest. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:17, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Other topic
Hello @Naz Darwin, I am excited to know that you have information to share and that you are willing to add content to the page once I go live. Now that you are here, could you please send me a link to the right sandbox where I can post the content that I have generated so we can get to work. Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obie Njoku (talk • contribs) 02:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that, in order for the notification of to work, use  (which creates the linked "@Darwin Naz:" and notifies them). Note you must also sign your post by adding a space and four tildes  to the end. Also, please add any new comments about the same subject to that existing section instead of creating a new one. Thanks. —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 05:14, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I have uploaded the rough draft to my sandbox. I am waiting to have it looked over. Obie Njoku (talk) 20:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Obie Njoku. The current draft looks too promotional. I suggest you take a look at other articles about NGOs. For example, there is the case of the WHA or the WCIP. While these pages tackle different subjects, you can take note of the structure, particularly the included sections. A suggestion is to reduce the goal section and refrain from talking about actions that the organization is planning. Also, make sure to avoid using or relying on primary sources. If you can publish the article as a draft, I or other editors can also make changes to the document. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, @Darwin Naz. I appreciate your suggestions, and the point to exclude future plans makes sense. I am going to take care of that. However, I am puzzled by the suggestion regarding primary sources. I did the writing for my first classroom experience working with Wikipedia. I tried to follow the same format as before. I'll wait to see the changes you guys make so let's go ahead and publish it. I am looking forward to continuing to learn with you guys. (Obie Njoku (talk) 01:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)) I have edited that section and tried changing the language in sections and sentences that sound advertorial. You may go ahead and publish it after you look over my edits. Many thanks. (Obie Njoku (talk) 02:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)) As of Friday morning, I published the page as a draft. I am looking forward to seeing the changes that you guys decide on. I will also continue to modify it as I fit. Thanks again! (Obie Njoku (talk) 15:19, 13 December 2019 (UTC))

Add a new football club to wikipedia
Hello

I dont understand this, how can add a football club to wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FK Karlshamn United (talk • contribs) 15:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The very simple answer to your question is - follow the instructions at WP:AFC to create an article. However, before you do that you need to be aware of a few very important things:
 * Your username suggests that you are a football club, and therefore implies shared use. This is against policies and I see that someone has already reported it which means that you may end up being blocked. You should either change your username or, if you are blocked, create a new account that does not breach this policy.
 * Given your username, I assume that you are associated with the football club you want to create an article for? If so, you have a conflict of interest and are also probably a paid editor. You must read this policy and comply with the disclosure required in it: WP:PAID. This is mandatory.
 * Finally, football clubs should only have articles about them if they meet the notability guidelines. This means being the subject of substantial coverage in multiple, reliable, secondary sources. If you do not have such sources for your club, the article will not be accepted, or will be deleted.
 * I hope this helps. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 15:31, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Waukauyengtipu and Mount Venamo
I reviewed Draft:Waukauyengtipu, and declined it, saying that the author should expand on Mount Venamo, including on the issue of whether there is one mountain or two. The author, User:MatWr, replied at my talk page, asking me to reconsider, and saying that there needs to be a separate article. Perhaps I have misunderstood what the author is asking, but it appears that the author is asking to create a content fork and to have two articles that disagree with each other. The author is clearly saying that there are two mountains. If there are two mountains, Wikipedia should consistently say that there are two mountains, or should consistently say that different explorers disagree.

I am asking if other experienced editors will look at the draft and at the article, and whether I am correct in thinking that any discussion of whether either to rename or split the existing article should be at the talk page of the existing article, rather than having two inconsistent articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I see that the author has edited Mount Venamo to state that there are two mountains. I disagree with the style of the additions, and I think that there should be discussion on the article talk page, but at least the existing article should reflect what is said by reliable sources.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What a nightmare! I've spent the last three hours wading through (scant) online sources and doing a bit of detective work with Google maps and Smithsonian herbarium specimen labels. In essence, I think User:MatWr is correct in their assertion, though whether the evidence stacks up in terms of Wikipedia's measure of verifiability, is another matter. Any evidence that supports these two mountains being distinct (and thus meriting separate articles) needs to be weighed up against what evidence there is to continue asserting they are synonymous with one another (a la Mount Everest/Chomolungma). We also need to recognise that errors long-perpetuated on Wikipedia can enter into general acceptance in other places simply through WP being naively used as a source of always-reliable information . Clearly, this part of Venezuala/Guyana is little-known. Allow me to list what I've found out, and maybe by the end of it I can draw some conclusions:
 * First off, the linking of the two names was made in 2013 with this edit - part of a series by . It appears to have been based upon one source on carnivorous plants which probably can't be regarded as a WP:RS in this context, and another source that links to the Smithsonian Museum website no longer functions, and searching there yields nothing. If someone were to make that edit today, I might be saying the sources linking the two is not sufficient, and I wouldn't accept it without further evidence of synonymy.
 * Clearly, both place names verifiably do exist, but are they in the same place? (See here for Waukauyengtipu)
 * Mount Venamo is stated in a WP:RS to sit on the international boundary, and I have inserted this reference to confirm that.
 * The article's own coordinates for Mount Venamo (although not cited to a source) do plot on Google maps onto the international boundary, and an oval, steep sided table top plateau appears discernable nearby.
 * I can find little online about Waukauyengtipu, yet there are enough reliable source to prove it exists.
 * A number of 1997 Herbarium sheets in the Smithsonian Museum of plants collected at Waukauyengtipu contain detailed latitude and longitude coordinates for the eastern summit of Waukauyengtipu, and for a camp at its base. I've put a couple of these into a template on one of my sandbox pages and they plot out on Geohack here - a long way from Mount Venamo (though there is little evidence in satellite images of any plateau mountains).
 * On balance, I feel there is probably just enough circumstantial evidence to accept two separate articles, and not enough material for us to justify perpetuating a probable error on the Venamo page (despite the evidence being very thin either way), though I recommend putting a copy of this discussion on the Mount Venamo talk page, and being open to modify or merge either article should more secondary sources surface. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt the assertion by MatWr that they've been there (lucky devil!), though I've tried to ignore that in this analysis (purely because we never accept personal, unpublished opinion from anyone about anything here! (It's a shame their website doesn't include more broader photographic images of Waukauyengtipu. Maybe they'd consider uploading some images to Commons.) What does bother me in the draft is the longish discussion as to why there is doubt. Some of that could probably go into the Talk page, thus keeping open and visible the possibility of further expeditions unearthing more up-to-date information in the future. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Nick Moyes - Thank you. You did more research and review than I have requested.  Based on what you have concluded, I think that you have done enough research to indicate that there should definitely be two articles, but they do need to agree.  Also, as we both said, we cannot rely on the personal experience of User:MatWr exploring the region, except to the extent that his exploration has been described in a reliable secondary source.  There aren't very many areas on the Earth that can still be said to be poorly explored; but the mountain rain forests of South America and Africa within a few degrees of the equator really haven't been explored that much.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Question with "Pings"
I probably am one of the only ones that want this, but here is my question. How can you set your watchlist to give you a notification when a page is edited? I mean a notification as if someone mentioned you. If there is a way then I am planning to modify my watchlist to a few pages that I want to edit. Thanks in advance Elijahandskip (talk) 16:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello again. You can install User:Enterprisey/watchlist-notice.js to your common.js file and it will give you a green notification when you have unread items in your watchlist. To install it, copy and paste the code User:APerson/watchlist-notice.js to here. Does this help? Interstellarity (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Alternatively (if you don't want to decimate your current watchlist) you could create an alternative account with a curated watchlist and go to "Preferences → Email me when a page or a file on my watchlist is changed". – Thjarkur (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia fundraiser
Just curious, I’ve been a Wikipedia monthly supporter for more than a year but I don’t know how to eliminate the multiple pop ups asking me to please donate. Any suggestions? Does logging in first cause the systems to check my donation status and thereby prevent the donation requests? Smash591 (talk) 15:50, 13 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smash591 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for your question. Logged-in users like yourself can disable fundraising banners through your preferences. In preferences, go to Gadgets and the option "Suppress display of fundraiser banners" is in the Browsing section. WJ94 (talk) 15:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, Thank you for the quick response. One question though, is the preference area only available on a desktop browser as I am on my iPhone and cannot find the setting you refer to. Smash591 (talk) 15:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Here is a mobile link to the preferences: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets – Thjarkur (talk) 17:22, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi
How do you become a bureaucrat on wikipedia? James The Bond 007 (talk) 18:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Is there any way to become extended confirmed user, without having 500 edits and 30 days old? James The Bond 007 (talk) 18:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . See WP:RFB for how bureaucrat s are chosen. A bureaucrat would normally have several years of experience, thousands of edits, and a very good general reputation. A bureaucrat  would almost always already have been an admin for some time.
 * As for being an EC user, an Admin can grant this right early, but that is almost never done. See Requests for permissions. What do you want to do that would require EC status? Most articles and othe pages can be edited without it. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I suggest that you read this essay: Hat collecting. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  18:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

No response
It's a request to one of my good fellow on Wikipedia "Eman 235". Please reply on your talk page. Thanks. (223.230.167.193 (talk) 17:11, 13 December 2019 (UTC))
 * Eman will see the message you left him the next time he opens up Wikipedia. He hasn't edited for two days now. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:20, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * He helps and guide other fellows who leave request on his talk page but he hasn't responded to any request since last one month. I hope everything is ok. Thanks. (223.230.151.171 (talk) 19:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC))

Timeline for resubmission/approval
I submitted a draft on Nov. 6 for Roger A. Ramsammy and after hearing some suggestions, i went back to the article and made several reference additions. I believe he meets the notability standard for academics but haven't heard anything since. Realizing this is a volunteer venture for all, I don't want to push but when could I expect either an approval or rejection decision again? Thank you. Zippylips (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are currently some 3,617 submissions awaiting reviews. Each volunteer picks the ones he or she prefers, it is not a first-come-first-served line. But It could easily take several months before the draft you wrote is reviewed. People are working to cut this backlog down. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:38, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and clarification DES I really appreciate it. Zippylips (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

J. Walter Kennedy
There is no question that he died in Stamford, CT.

However, his article has his final resting place in both Stamford, CT and in Springfield, MA,

As his body was not divided up upon his death, one of these final resting places has to be wrong! He can’t be in two places at once, otherwise! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5A:427F:E524:77:E90C:1AB6:5DBD (talk) 13:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This would be a matter to bring up on the article talk page, so that the editors that follow that article can see it. 331dot (talk) 14:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What J. Walter Kennedy really needs is multiple refs to substantiate all of the content. Right now, only one ref, and that is behind a paywall. David notMD (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I added a source for Springdale, a section of Stamford. Someone mistook it for Springfield. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:22, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm researching this. He was 64, according to multiple sources (i.e. he was born July 8, 1913, according to one). The St John's Catholic Cemetery in Darien (just outside the Springdale area of Stamford mentioned in one source) is likely correct (we don't have a mention of that cemetery here). Find-A-Grave is currently wrong on both DoD and resting place, which again shows why we don't use them, but I've suggested fixes there FWIW. I've found a number of additional newspaper articles and have requested info from the funeral home given in one source (though we can't cite it, I know). —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 21:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Confession
In 2016 i got fascinated about Wikipedia, and started editing it, everything was perfect until unaware of Wikipedia policies i accidentally made Wikipedia username on my real name, as i am a musician from india having notable enough articles to pass wp:gng and this took some time to get these reliable sources, but again as a kid i did this mistake earlier only, and then to try to make other wiki and recreating my page also multiple time led me into the scenario of sock puppetry and i always ended up my and others Wikipedia deleted which i created from different accounts, now the scenario is this that i really want a BIG help from someover here as i am fed up of this block game, i want it to be resolved because i know multiple people too who did this mistake as a startup on Wikipedia but now are doing good having their own articles created from different names etc, i am ready to go through a process where i am even ready to sign some legal things for the Assurity that those mistakes which i did I WILL NOT DO THEM AGAIN, but all i want is i want to be on Wikipedia happily editing and increasing my account statistics like a good Wikipedian do, i made this account just to confess as i know that i will be deleted again or blocked under G5, my identity is Vivek Verma and i have been multiple banned for abusing Wikipedia under user:Vivek.k.Verma, please guide me before blocking me, i really really want this time not to hide anything, i want rhat i am known by my name and not be blocked being called a sock puppet under the checkuser. I accept i did those mistakes, but because of mine foolishness there are multiple deserving pages which are suffering by being deleted under G5, i request please someone guide and help me, in these last 3 to 4 years i have been active on Wikipedia and now understand and know almost all policies, i know i have done blunders which can be forgiven but i don't want to leave Wikipedia and want to be a decent contributor, i am ready to do anything for this!! Please guide me Please Incase someone want to guide me they can also mail me. My email id is - I AM SORRY Juanita's (talk) 03:14, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This is what i have as a musician which i said i pass wp:gng

Vivek Verma (Born on 10 September) also known as Vivek is an Indian Playback Singer, composer and musician from Raniganj in India, He is currently working in Bollywood, Vivek came in limelight after he got awarded by Government of India the Web Ratna Award on India.gov.in In 2009. he is also known for composing film music with Himesh Reshammiya.

Early life and education
Vivek got trained in Hindustani classical music from his mother at a very young age and was exposed to various music styles. Later he moved to banares for further studies of music and He moved to Mumbai in 2011 to assist playback singer Anup Jalota, Where he met Andy singh then CEO of HR Musik who introduced him to the composer Himesh Reshammiya. Vivek also studied Guitar as his main instrument since a very young age in a small town of West Bengal called New Kenda.

Career
While assisting Himesh Reshammiya, Vivek performed songs for the film Sanam Bewafa and now he has moved on to independent music, joining international tours with Himesh Reshammiya.

When does my page get published?
Hi guys

Just wondering how long it takes for a wiki page to get published. I have gone in and edited the page at least 10 times now and made the page very informative with lots of links. Is there an amount of time you have to wait or is there a way of publishing it myself?

Really look forward to any response

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steviejayuk (talk • contribs) 00:13, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You edited your user page, which is not article space and not searchable by search engines. It is meant to be a place for you to introduce yourself to the Wikipedia community in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use.
 * The page is 'published' in that it is saved to Wikipedia servers and visible to the public, but it is not 'published' in the sense that it is formally a part of the encyclopedia. As the piece is largely a promotional piece about yourself, if it were moved to the main encyclopedia, it would probably be nominated for deletion rather quickly, I'm afraid. Successfully writing a new Wikipedia article(not just "page", a subtle but important distinction) is the hardest task on Wikipedia; it is even harder when attempting to write about yourself.  Please review the autobiography policy; autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged on Wikipedia.  This is because people naturally write favorably about themselves.  If you have reviewed the Wikipedia definition of a notable musician and truly feel that you meet at least one of the listed criteria to merit an article, you ideally shouldn't be the one to write it.  It is a rare thing for someone to successfully write an autobiography here; in order to be successful, you would essentially need to forget everything you know about yourself and only write based on the content of independent sources.  If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media.  If you truly feel that you can write an appropriate encyclopedic article that only summarizes what independent reliable sources say about you, you should use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for an independent review. 331dot (talk) 00:33, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahosue. First of all, Wikipedia does not publish "pages". It publishes articles about notable topics. this is a subtle but important difference, and is one of the things that makes Wikipedia different from social media. You have not yet created or worked on any articles, nor any drafts for articles. In fact, all your edits have been to User:Steviejayuk. That is your user page. A user page is meant to describe you as a Wikipedia editor. it is intended so that other editors can know something about you. Look at my user page at User:DESiegel for an example. User pages are not ever "published" as articles. Please read our guideline on user pages.


 * It seems as though what you want is an article about yourself. There are several problems with that. First of all, please read our guideline on autobiography and our guideline on conflict of interest. Note that autobiographies are strongly discouraged. In any case, there could not be an article about you, even if someone else wrote it, unless you are found to be Notable. Please see our guideline on the notability of individuals and our guideline on the notability of musicians and related topics.


 * I strongly advise that you trim down User:Steviejayuk so that it is a brief summery of who you are and what yoiu intend to do (or have done) as a Wikipedia editor, and nothing more. It should not resemble a biographical article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:48, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * If you want to create an actual article, i sugest that you follow the steps below:


 * First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your <span title="The subject is the person, business, organization or thing that the article will be about."> subject  clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check  if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
 * Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
 * Third,  This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing. 
 * Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
 * Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
 * Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draaft when you thimnk it is ready for reviewq. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
 * Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.
 * Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:48, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Email address
Is there some sort of a real email address that wiki has? I have found that it's a never ending circle of nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1005:B101:F13E:99F4:3CE:27D8:E4DF (talk) 05:18, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It depends on exactly what your issue is. Generally what is it regarding? Does WP:CONTACT help? —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 05:35, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@AlanM1
@AlanM1 Thank You  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Lynn Pool (talk • contribs) 05:55, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Looking for work
Help I'm looking for work! I'm something of a wiki mercenary. Is there any place I could see a list of things that need done? Thanks a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.68.50 (talk) 05:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor. Please take a look at Community portal, where you will find enough useful work to keep you busy for many, many years to come. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:38, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.68.50 (talk) 06:44, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Help me!
im facing a problem in contest this speedy deletion. what to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deyga organics (talk • contribs) 09:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I responded to the help me on talkpage of Deyga organics, also reported at UAA. —<span style="font-size: 93%; letter-spacing:1.2pt; font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran<b style="letter-spacing:1pt;">(talk)</b> 09:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Victor Makalala Profile
How do I set up a Profile for Victor Makalala with the below URL references?

https://kelvianomedia.blogspot.com/2018/01/npfl-am-ready-to-work-for-rivers-united.html

https://www.today.ng/sport/football/makalala-joined-warri-wolves-257188

http://www.soccer-talents.com/Victor_Makalala-3_7-308657-12.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makalala02 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't host profiles. We have articles about notable topics which only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject. If there are no such sources then we cannot have an article. Blogs are not reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 11:41, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , firstly, he does meet the notability criteria for football players (WP:NFOOTY), as he plays in a fully professional league. This means he can have an article here.
 * To create one, especially if you are new, you are advised to use the article wizard, which will guide you through the steps.
 * If you think he should have an article, but don't want to write it, you can request one at Requested articles/Sports/Association football (soccer). However, there is no guarantee anyone will write one, and if they do it will not be done quickly, as everyone here is a volunteer.  Oxon Alex    - talk  11:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC) Didn't notice the drafts existing already   Oxon Alex    - talk  11:44, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think he should have an article, but don't want to write it, you can request one at Requested articles/Sports/Association football (soccer). However, there is no guarantee anyone will write one, and if they do it will not be done quickly, as everyone here is a volunteer.  Oxon Alex    - talk  11:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC) Didn't notice the drafts existing already   Oxon Alex    - talk  11:44, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you think he should have an article, but don't want to write it, you can request one at Requested articles/Sports/Association football (soccer). However, there is no guarantee anyone will write one, and if they do it will not be done quickly, as everyone here is a volunteer.  Oxon Alex    - talk  11:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC) Didn't notice the drafts existing already   Oxon Alex    - talk  11:44, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Wholesale editing
Are there any guidelines that cover the topic of "wholesale editing"? By wholesale editing I mean when an editor deletes an entire section and all of its references (or any large amount of content) with no discussion, and then inserts that same content into a completely different article. Thanks. Bitwixen (talk) 17:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello ,
 * This would be an example of a partial merge, and the merging policy would apply.
 * If it is believed to be uncontroversial, discussion isn't required (and can be reverted), but there is a process for merger discussion - see the proposing a merger section of the policy.  Oxon Alex    - talk  17:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, there was a proposal for a more formal structure, but this didn't pass. See Articles for merging  Oxon Alex    - talk  17:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, there was a proposal for a more formal structure, but this didn't pass. See Articles for merging  Oxon Alex    - talk  17:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Percy Jackson Grammar School
My submission was not accepted - and generally I can see why. It is too chatty and with insufficient third-party references. I am thinking of rewriting it completely, mentioning only points which have sound references. It will, of course, be much shorter but, once we get it accepted, more can be added later - with relevant references, of course. Is this a reasonable course? Do you have any other views on my submission? Kenpj (talk) 15:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link: Draft:Percy Jackson Grammar School --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I've cleaned up the tone a bit and it seems that since it has been the subject of a larger local history book and some regional newspapers it qualifies for an article here. I would move it to mainspace but there's a redirect in the way. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:33, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You could also merge the contents into Adwick School. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Reviewed and Rejected on 11 December, reviewer of the opinion that an article about the school cannot meet Wikipedia's concept of notability (elementary grade schools rarely do). David notMD (talk) 10:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would merge the two articles, as Thjarkur suggested. Best to you, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Dr Zakir Naik Wiki Page - concerns over edits
Good afternoon all, i have tried many a time to make edits to the page with up to date correct and unbiased information with corresponding links to various articles but after i make the changes they keep getting re-stored. Can you advise why this keeps happening and what can i do so it doesn't happen again Plutowriter123 (talk) 15:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)Plutowriter123
 * your edits were undone by for being 'POV' and 'unnecessary' (according to edit summaries). They're not very detailed summaries but that is often the way, and the next step if you disagree is to discuss it on the talk page of the article. Your edits do appear to introduce negative information but that isn't a problem per se, if they are reliably sourced. However, as always where there is a disagreement about content in an article, it needs to be discussed at the article talk page so that agreement can be reached. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 16:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The comments by the reverting editors can be seen at the article's history page, and the discussion should be held at the article's talk page (Talk:Zakir Naik). —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 18:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Is there any chance i can get in direct contact with Plutowriter123 (talk) 12:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)Plutowriter123
 * you can post a message on their talk page. Some editors are more responsive than others, however. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 12:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Usually an editor who makes a change will keep an eye on the Talk page of the article in question, so if you make a comment there, he or she will see it and respond to it. Best to you, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

creating page
i was practising how to learn writing wiki article in my sandbox but I did not submit it for the review. But I received a message that saying that the article i created do not complement with the guidelines of the wikipedia. I am wondering why did this happen my purpose was not publishing this article on live space of wikipedia. So how did you get notified baout it because and did not press the button called "submit this page"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzthegeek (talk • contribs) 19:01, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I feel it would be best to let an administrator answer this question since they can view deleted pages. I will ping a few admins that are active here at the Teahouse: . You should get a response from them shortly. Interstellarity (talk) 20:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. All edits to every page on Wikipedia- articles, policy pages, talk page and sandboxes- appears in the Recent changes feed which is monitored by thousands of editors. While your sandbox is not searchable by search engines, edits to it would be seen in Recent Changes. Though you recreated it yesterday. your sandbox was deleted in 2015.  Your sandbox was deleted because it was a blatant advertisement. 331dot (talk) 20:32, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As an administrator, I could read some content that you wrote about "Dreamwebhostings worlds first IT barter system". That was advertising, and that type of content is not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia. Please do not attempt to add advertising to Wikipedia again. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  20:49, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The message on your user talk page about your sandbox was dated "7:58 am, 29 December 2015, Tuesday" aand applied to the sandbox as it was at that time, almost 4 years ago.
 * By the way yoiur userpage now describes you as That phrasing could be taken to imply thatyou accept work editing Wikipedia for pay. If that is in fact that case, you must disclose that celarly as described in our paid editing policy and our Terms of Use. If you are not open to editing for pay, i advise yoiu to reword the userpage statement so that it does not carry this implication. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:01, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:03, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

What are some relatively safe areas for users to edits.
I've been told not to participate in a certain area of Wikipedia because I'm not experienced enough and my actions are disruptive (which I never intended them to be). What are some relatively safe areas to edit in so that I can build up some experience without getting blocked? LampGenie01 (talk) 15:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I see from your talk page that you've been asked to stop tagging articles for speedy deletion. This is an area that takes a reasonable amount of experience, and a solid understanding of the various CSD policies, the meaning of notability and importance, the ability to identify reliable sources, and so on. It is best avoided until you have a bit more background as an editor. The best place to start for any editor is in, quite simply, editing articles! You can pick any article that you think needs improvement, and you can improve it - just be careful that any chance you make is supported by sources, and if someone reverts your change (which might well happen) you then discuss it on the talk page and get agreement. If you do want to also work in what you could consider the 'administrative areas' of Wikipedia such as article deletion, I would suggest that you start off by reading through some WP:AFD discussions and contributing to any you are interested in. Just try to base your arguments in deletion policy, and be aware of arguments to avoid in these discussions. Getting experience at AFD generally helps to lead on to more accurate work with CSD. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 15:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, you received some very excellent advice on your talk page: edit articles, improve content, instead of getting involved in things like deletion tagging. --bonadea contributions talk 15:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * All I'm going to say about the "advice" left on my talk page is that you and I must be reading different versions of it or something.
 * Thank you for that. To be honest, I've been put off doing the administrative side of things. (which was probably the intention of the user who messaged me in the first place, so good job, they win) Where can I find a list of articles needing such improvement? I've used SuggestBot in the past but it only gives me a small selection. LampGenie01 (talk) 15:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There are a few different places you can find articles to improve, but one that I often use for inspiration is Backlog. There are a few different backlogs here, but you can find ones that sound fun to you - for example some of the ones like 'too technical' or 'plot summary needs attention' could be interesting if you're good with words, while 'of unclear notability' are interesting if you like trying to dig out reliable sources. <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 15:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the sort of thing I was hoping existed. Thank you so much for digging that out for me. LampGenie01 (talk) 15:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, good luck! <i style="background-color: Blue; color:#FFE">Hug</i>syrup 15:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The thing that got me into editing was patrolling recent changes, reverting vandalism is safe and honestly fairly fun. And not to worry, I also made the same mistake when starting out by tagging speedies and was also scolded for it ;) Speedy tagging is one area where it's really easy to make mistakes. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And yet, instead of giving advice to avoid repetition of such mistakes, certain users seem more willing to make accusations of disruptive behaviour and threats of blocking which will end up driving new users away. Anyway, that's by the by. I'll take a look at vandalism when I've got a little more editing experience under my belt, but thank you for the suggestion. LampGenie01 (talk) 21:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I am afraid that some users are better at framing helpful advice than others, even if thy do not mean to be hostile. I cna tell you, as an admin who goes through the category of pages tagged for speedy deletion on a regular basis, finding things tagged which should not be can be very frustrating, but I do try to be helpful, or at least not hostile, when i notify a user of a tag i have removed. Note that i don't always know if an editor is an experienced Wikipedian who should have known better, or a relative newcomer. If you want further advice on ways to contribute here, i will be glad to try to help. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I understand. I also understand that my responses did nothing to help paint me in a positive light (weirdly enough, my work seems to provide me with a lot of time for self-reflection). I would greatly appreciate any help you would be able to offer. LampGenie01 (talk) 15:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delau in responding, . I am taking this to your user page, because it is goign to be a bit out of scope for the Teahouse. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:08, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Dave Taranto
I am attempting to create a wiki-page on a artist friend. I don't know how to do it. I have details of his birth/death and easily cited facts about his career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crashingdown Man (talk • contribs) 10:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . Please take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Notability (people). If your friend is considered Wikipedia notable for an article to be written about him, then you are probably not going to be the best person to write such an article because of your connection to him. So, try to forget that he's your friend for a minute and do a little self-assessment as to whether he meets Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. If you do that and still feel he's Wikipedia notable and should have an article written about him, try asking for assistance at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment because that's were you're most likely going to find editors with experience in writing articles about artist and assessing whether a particular artist is Wikipedia notable. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition to agreeing with the points made above, I would add that even without a 'Conflict of Interest', creating any new article from scratch, and getting it accepted is the very hardest thing anyone can do here. For a total beginner, you would also be best advised to learn the basics of how Wikipedia works before doing anything else. Simple typo or grammar correction gets you a feeling of how things function, and how we interact with one another. Nobody gets in a car and shoots off up the motorway the first time they sit behind the wheel of a vehicle; similarly, trying to create any article with no experience whatsoever is likely to lead to disappointment. The difference here is that nobody dies. So why not take our interactive tour called The Wikipedia Adventure? And then maybe read Help:Getting started, which is full of links to many elements and rules about editing the encyclopaedia. (It's worth me adding that, at a quick search, I can find nothing online about a Dave Taranto which suggests the world at large has taken note of him as an artist, so anyone wanting to create a page about this person would need to find reliable sources (not personal social media) that demonstrates he meets our notability criteria (shortcut: WP:NARTIST)) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:23, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your helpful feedback. I should clarify the issue a bit. Dave or David Taranto is a broadcaster, television producer and entrepreneur who helped evolve the comedy industry in Melbourne Australia. He managed the Melbourne International Comedy Festival in 1995. Comedians such as Flacco, Anthony Morgan, Bob Franklin, Peter Helliar, Rod Quantock developed their careers in Australia thanks to Dave's encouragement and promotion. I am a professional Australian comedian. A number of colleagues this week were discussing setting up a page or blog describing his work from the late 1980s to the late 1990s. Sections on his radio work and work as a promoter running the famous Cheese Shop shows in Melbourne. Potentially - and hopefully - there would be a number of contributors to the Wikipedia page. I am most certainly a beginner. However, this page would be a purely professional work, recording the history of an important player in Australian comedy. I should have spelt this out. Thanks for your help.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crashingdown Man (talk • contribs) 12:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. What you and your colleagues are wanting to do sounds great - but it doesn't sound like something that Wikipedia does. If you, or anybody, creates an article about Taranto, it will have to conform to Wikipedia's policies. Every single thing in the article should be sourced to a reliable published source: no personal recollections, or unpublished documents, can be used. The article should be a neutral summary of the independent published sources: absolutely no interpretation or evaluation of the subject, unless summarising the interpretation or evaluation that an independent source has made. And, as with almost all Wikipedia articles, anybody may edit it. --ColinFine (talk) 13:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Each person who edits should create their own account, as editor accounts are for individuals. Your all having known Dave Taranto before he died would be considered a manageable conflict in interest. Key to adding content is, as ColinFine pointed out, neutral and based on published stuff, not what you all personally know. An important nuance - Wikipedia has articles, not pages, and anyone can edit. David notMD (talk) 19:01, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * To be more specific, if you don't mind, I'd like to point out some things in your post that might be problematic if they were to find their way into an article. For example, helped evolve the comedy industry in Melbourne Australia and comedians such as ... developed their careers in Australia thanks to Dave's encouragement and promotion, while they might be true from your viewpoint, are looked at very carefully, and would need to be cited to multiple reliable sources that assign him this credit. Things like Cheese Shop shows and in Australian comedy are also to be avoided, per WP:PUFFERY. With regard to setting up a page or blog describing his work, I think that's a great idea, just not here. There are lots of free solutions out there, designed for exactly this purpose, but Wikipedia is fundamentally not one of them, per WP:NOTWEBHOST. With that in mind, if you think you can create an article for the purpose of neutrally documenting what the world knows about him and would find encyclopedic, the key is to have the reliable sources to WP:CITE, both to establish his notability and for any non-trivial statements in the article. If you've got that, you'll be fine, and will likely get some help along the way here if you need it. Cheers! —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 23:29, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Help
I'm trying to create my user page but it's blocked to prevent vandalism. I don't get it It's my user page, I should be able to edit it. If you could help it would be great thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.68.50 (talk) 06:22, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor. If you want to create a userpage, then simply register an account, which will give you many other benefits as well, including genuine anonymity if you wish. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:36, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I can't get an account for private reasons. Any other tips about a profile? (Btw I'm sorry for wasting your time) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.68.50 (talk) 06:50, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Can someone explain the privacy concern sometimes claimed as a reason for not registering an account? As you said,, it would seem secure, due to the IP masking. I understand the concern of using public networks, and the technique of using an alternate to avoid compromising your main account, but this is not that. —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 07:35, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is far more anonymous, private and secure to edit Wikipedia from a registered account than from an IP address. Simply do not disclose personal information and nobody will know who or where you are. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  07:41, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you only get a User page if you register for an account. This can be done even if you are using a shared computer (school, library...). Profile-type stuff does not go on your Talk page. In reply to your previous question: "Help I'm looking for work! I'm something of a wiki mercenary.", we are all unpaid volunteers here. The amount of work is infinite. The amount of pay is zero. [Truth - some people are paid by their employers to create/edit, and some people offer Wikipedia composition work free lance, but then the whole WP:PAID thing gets involved.] Here is hoping that you find satisfaction as a volunteer editor. David notMD (talk) 13:25, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , they did say for private reason not privacy reasons. If that wasn't a typo, I recall an incident where some said something similar, and it turned out it was a minor whose parents had forbidden the creation of an account. May not be the situation here. S Philbrick  (Talk)  18:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your help ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.68.50 (talk) 17:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * (For the benefit of such parents reading) I guess that makes sense in the context of other platforms, where you can't edit without an account, but here, you don't need an account to edit. I suppose there could be said to be some benefit to the transient nature of some IP assignments, in that the edits aren't all easily grouped together and associated with the editor for all time. That, of course, depends on your connection – one of mine, though not technically static, remains at the same IP for months to years, last I checked. Still, if I were a parent with such a need (which I can understand), it would make more sense to disallow editing here entirely. —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 23:07, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , It has been years, so don't hold me to it, but I think the parent's intent was to disallow editing, and they thought forbidding an account would accomplish that. S Philbrick  (Talk)  23:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Username change
Recently I saw a user (link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Skrumba24) who has changed usernames. I was wondering what the process is and if I could request one as well. Thanks to anyone in advance! RayDeeUx (talk) 00:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to ther Teahouse. You certianly can. See Changing username for detailed description and the several ways in which you can request a change. You should have your proposed new name in mind before asking. Response is usually fairly quick, hours to days. But like almost all processes heere, it is run entirely by volunteers, so the speed of respoinse varies and please be patient. Note that old signed comments will not be updateds with a new name. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:19, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia is very very unfriendly in its ways to anyone new, attempting to contribute anything what so ever to Wikipedia
Dearest Wikipedia,

The barrier of entry for newcomers, even professionals as myself, is too high. I am giving up. I have at various points tried to contribute to this otherwise great forum of knowledge with absolutely credible information.

Was it not supposed to be a forum, where one can contribute within areas where one possess knowledge? Was it not meant to be in such a way so that when someone shares something which is factual and proper - then it will become a part of Wikipedia's knowledge base?

Every time I have just been hit in the head with rejection of anything what so ever. There is no friendly guideline. No hint as to concrete examples taken from what ever one wanted to contribute.

The language you are using, seem to be deliberately hostile to any newcomer. I am not stupid in terms of English, however, any response and attempt to "Guide" us newcomers is filled with jargon, and even ways of using the language which is very uncommon. It may be normal for people who work with encyclopedia and written knowledge administration, but it is very very hostile to newcomers.

I have at times tried to sit with a dictionary to understand the words being used - and while I understand these words as in the words themselves - there is a thick layer of connotation and "business-usage" of the same words, and this too, is not friendly at all.

So, you can shove it. I have a certified and verified IQ - by the way - of 146 - measured by Mensa, who is one of the leaders in such measurements - and I have worked within plenty of areas where I would likely be able to share some 200 to maybe 300 expert articles on various topics. But my few, innocent attempts to start by sharing a few things I know a little about has been met with the "hammer method" - or the "mushroom harvesting method".

Wikipedia has therefore moved away from being a place where professionals can share their knowledge - to become an elitist group who largely sits and polish their own helios/glory by making the very entry of any content so complex so that the ones which this was meant for - have been left out.

Frankly - I am a busy person - and I guess many with me are. I would love to share with everyone here on Wikipedia, the way it was - but I do not have the time for this learning curve, nor the patience, nor the stamina to be mistreated - by administrative, almost Kafka'-like behaviours.

So. You good people - live long and prosper - I will instead post things elsewhere, where everything is more in touch with reality.

And if you want me and other experts in plenty of fields which you have not even started to cover, to write, then you who sit and guard your territory of gibbedigook self-inflated, with arrogant barriers, need to change. David Svarrer

Sincerely David T. Svarrer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidsvarrer (talk • contribs) 04:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry you feel that way, but I'm not seeing what led to it. Can you give us examples where you have "been hit in the head with rejection of anything what so ever"? Your edit history shows that you posted to Talk:Nucleosynthesis in 2017 (no response) and to Talk:Jumia ‎ in 2018 (no response). You have made edits to Lead–acid battery and Solar azimuth angle this year, and all of those edits are still in the articles. You tried to create an article in 2016 and it was rejected as not showing notability with reliable sources. The only posts to your talk page are the notice of the rejection with suggestions and links, and a follow up post. The draft was deleted more than 6 months later as an abandoned draft, so it appears that you never went back to it. Meters (talk) 05:25, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And, as the notice at Draft:Unboss says, WP:REFUND applies, soyou have only to ask to have the draft restore if you wish to work on it. Meters (talk) 05:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Davidsvarrer. Some of the things you posted above about Wikipedia being a forum, a place to share information that is factual and proper, or a place where professionals can share their knowledge sort of indicate that you might slightly be misunderstanding the role Wikipedia is trying to play. Perhaps this will be clearer if you take a look at the following pages: Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth, and Wikipedia:Expert editors. Or course, Wikipedia wants people with expert knowledge about specific subjects to help improve the overall quality of articles, but all editors have to work within Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines when doing so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Davidsvarrer. Because Wikipedia is crowdsourced, and editors are, in principle, anonymous, the encyclopedia is based only on material found in reliable, published sources. For that reason, anyone interested in 'sharing a few things they know a little about' has come to the wrong place, unless they have a citation to a reliable source to back up what they know. Wikipedia has evolved as a project and a community starting from a blank and empty file, through much trial and error, battles and discussion. It may sound harsh, but in all practicality, there is no way to make a usable encyclopedia via crowdsourcing without such a constraint.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you have some misconceptions about what Wikipedia is; Wikipedia is not and has never claimed to be "a place where professionals can share their knowledge". Wikipedia is not for posting our personal knowledge, whether one is an expert or not- nor is it merely for sharing knowledge.  It is, as noted above, based on materials found in independent reliable sources.  Experts in fields are welcome, but they must work with everyone else here in a collaborative manner. As noted by Meters, your participation has been asked for over the years but you have not responded and it's also not clear where you have experienced this poor treatment- which would be wrong if you did- please provide examples of this poor treatment.  I do find it interesting that an expert professional is accusing us of being elitist. We're not elitist and are willing to work with you to help you, but you need to meet us halfway. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You didn't mention a single page, editor, quote, time, or anything else which can be used to guess what you refer to. Are you by any chance referring to your edit [//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Landmark_Education_suffers_humiliating_legal_defeat_in_New_Jersey_Federal_Court&diff=prev&oldid=8807599] to the article Landmark Education suffers humiliating legal defeat in New Jersey Federal Court? The edit was not to Wikipedia but to Wikisource. Your complaint at wikisource:User talk:EncycloPetey is more recent than your Wikipedia edits. wikisource:Wikisource:About says: "Wikisource is a Free Library of source texts which are in the public domain or legally available for free redistribution. Wikisource is an official project of the Wikimedia Foundation and a sister project of Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia." Wikisource republishes existing source texts and Wikisource editors should not change them. The top of the article gives the original author and publication. Rick Ross published it in Cult News in 2005. He probably isn't a Wikisource editor. Inserting your own writing in the Wikisource republication is like going to a library, pulling out a book, changing the text to something the author would disapprove, and putting it back on the shelf. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:08, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oops, missed the wikisource stuff. That may well explain this, although the issue was well explained at the time by User:Billinghurst. Meters (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably also worth explaining that to a standard Wikimedia Foundation user login that one can access all the sister wikis: Wikipedia, Wikisource, Commons, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiversity, Wikivoyages, Meta, WikiSpecies, Wikidata, Wikinews; then add in all the language wikis, now total about 800 wikis. Each of these wikis share resources, and the Wikimedia scope, though each has its own community, its own scope and purpose. If you have questions about Wikisource, then please come to our general help for users at s:en:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help. — billinghurst  sDrewth  00:10, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * "I have a certified and verified IQ - by the way - of 146" Citation needed for that. Which is the basic problem you seem to have here. You seem to think that Wikipedia should accept anything you say on no more authority than the fact that you said it. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. We have no way of knowing if you are David Svarrer. Or what your IQ is. Or what credentials you might have. You could just as easily be Mildred Q. Milquetoast of East Podunk, Ohio, who has never been more than 3 miles from the house she was born in and never went beyond the 3rd grade. And the same goes for anyone. So we require citations to sources. Books, magazines, journals, TV programs, movies, etc, that anyone can check. --Khajidha (talk) 18:18, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * You are not alone. Many scholars from diverse disciplines have had similar experiences and no longer edit Wikipedia. Over the past 11 years of part-time, occasional editing, there have been many occasions when I felt hurt, disrespected, and angry. If you are still checking Wikipedia for notices and you read this, please feel free to contact me. I will gladly share some of my strategies for developing "psychological body armor" to deal with editors who seem to revel in the WP:ColonAttack (that's what I call it), particularly when they can target an accomplished person new to Wikipedia. I—and many other editors—believe that good editors are our most valuable resource. Best regards  - Mark D Worthen PsyD   (talk)  (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 19:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S. I do not mean to infer that any of the editors on this page are "attacking" Davidsvarrer. I did not read the other responses—which might all be quite accurate in pointing out mistakes or unhelpful responses from the OP—I simply wanted David to know that he's not alone and to offer my support.  - Mark D Worthen PsyD   (talk)  (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 19:18, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Davidsvarrer. Like Mark D Worthen PsyD, I also understand where you are coming from. There are, indeed, unfriendly editors but the trick is to simply ignore them. For instance, there are replies to your thread that contributed something constructive to the conversation but cannot help to be acerbic while at it. Just focus on the constructive part because we also need to be familiar about Wikipedia rules especially if we are new and experienced editors are helpful in this respect. Furthermore, we do need experts. While Wikipedia does not need personal knowledge, it will take expertise to find and correctly use information from third-party sources especially on subjects you seem to be interested in. If you need help with something, you can also count on me as long as I am able. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Darwin Naz. I appreciate the good comments from your and others side. The problem is likely also of a technical nature. I am for instance sitting and doing an editing of source to enter this comment. I have looked and looked for a way to respond in a dialogue form where one can edit the text and click preview and then enter - but have not found. I do not even know if this way of editing my response works. The editing of Wikipedia is archaic and old fashioned. Sitting editing as if in almost HTML and CSS like style - and worse - it looks a bit like this old tool from the 80s named LATEX. And it is not that this gives a larger flexibility compared to for instance a WYSIWYG editing style like Google Docs. And to some of the good commenters: I have edited under different names too - pseudonyms - I have edited anonymously - and always is the result the same: Things which are factual are being removed with flimsy arguments. I am for instance writing about a book - and it is just discarded or removed. There is no discussion. No information. No instruction. No help. Just plain administrative, overhand removal. This is not friendly. You are losing intelligent people on this journey. Then this requirement of external source. What about if one self is the source? It is very well with rules. With rules, structures, systems, methods, models - everything becomes better. But the entire Wikipedia Circus is impenetrable for someone who would like to sit and read a functional, normal, manual about how to write, and then follow it. And then comes the mistreatment by the editors (how on EARTH they got approved - and by whom? - to have such position when they behave such unfriendly and anti-social - who knows?). Now. Why would a system continue to work like this, just because it was defined like this? WHEN will WikiPedia or who ever it is - pull the socks up and create an editor which works seamlessly for professionals? When will WikiPedia create a set of easy to understand rules, which can be checked by the writer? When will WikiPedia test the editors for social conduite? Really? I do not have the time to BOTH contribute voluntarily and then lose access to creative work just because of some young, bad-conduct person in the role of an Editor - deem it fit to behave like a Kafka office. I guess WikiPedia would be a better place to be, without this misbehaviour. I cannot but feel with the professionals who are even at a much higher level education wize than I am, who suffer from this misbehaviour. Now I have to find out how to sign my post. I cannot see any place where anyone have written these four tilde characters, so I will copy-paste what others seem to have done and enter my data manually here below. Likely this will make an editor just delete it all with no trace. Then so be it. David Svarrer (talk) 08:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC) Davidsvarrer (talk) 08:22, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I can see both sides, being both an admin and user of sites. On the admin side, it's the name of the game to synthesize how to interpret what a site's about (and sometimes that includes creating my 'rules', even when they don't exist), which makes it really hard to newcomers. The changes on a site from refinement create incongruities that leave a person confused. The addition of hidden rules cause newcomers to be overwhelmed and feel unwelcomed. However, I feel Wikipedia, on the user side, does take it a notch higher - with retaliation. However, this seems to not happen much in lesser known articles or with minor edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawaiisunfun (talk • contribs) 06:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What an interesting and well-written letter by the OP ("Original Poster," and it took me years to learn what that meant)! I do believe this fellow (or woman) will actually stick around for a while; I believe he or she has enough stamina and self-regard to actually learn the Wikipedia ropes, as tangled as they might be! So, Davidsvarrer (if that is your real name), don't give up; you've simply repeated many of the same complaints that others have had over the years. Now, as to one of your complaints, the lack of an easy editing format: Believe it or not, there was a WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) editing system here a few years ago. It was discontinued: Why? I believe that the old-timers who run the place were just unwilling to learn it 'cause they were so used to writing in the old format (which is exactly the one used today). That includes me; I like this kind format because I'm used to it. Anyway, click on any article at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal (the French Wikipedia), for example, and you will find two tags at the top of the page: "modifier" and "modifier le code." Click on the former and you bring up a page where you can actually write in everyday French and make changes on the page. We used to have such a system in the English Wikipedia, but, it was done away with. Now, I am not interested in renewing old battles over this change, but I am simply assuring you that, yes, there is an easier way to make your edits, and, no, apparently it's not going to be done by us worthy anglophones unless many more people like you take their valuable and limited time to make a fight for it. (And "fighting" without actual physical exertion often causes extreme psychological stress.) Anyway, best of luck, and most everybody here will help you learn our ropes if you want to swing on them. Yours, from a fellow who has BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 16:48, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * BeenAroundAWhile is referring to VisualEditor. It's still an option at the English Wikipedia. We have just chosen not to display both edit links by default. Registered users can change this, or choose to only display a link for VisualEditor. And everybody can switch editor after starting an edit (except in namespaces where VisualEditor is disabled). PrimeHunter (talk) 18:11, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I did not know this. Those who are interested could now lobby to make this software available on every page, as it is in La Belle France and in Le Beau Canada. Your friend, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 18:18, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Davidsvarrer If you are talking about the WYSIWYG editing format for the main pages, then you can use the Visual Editor interface cited by PrimeHunter. You can access this through the pen icon beside the Publish button in the editing panel. However, if you are talking about such an interface for the Teahouse, I would also like to know if there is any. I have been using the Source Editor for my interactions here as well as in other Talk and discussion pages. :) Darwin Naz (talk) 00:35, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Article still a Draft after weeks
Hi! The article I have written on Guardian Digital is still a draft after many weeks: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Guardian_Digital&action=edit

Do you have any idea why it is not being published, or how long I should expect the publishing process to take?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cereus123 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, You have not submitted the draft (not yet an article for reveiw by the Articels for Creation process. It will not be reveiwed or moved to the main article spacve by a reviewer until or unless you do this (or someone else does it).
 * You can do this by adding  to the top of the draft.
 * However, if submitted and reviewed as it now stands, the draft would surely be rejected. This is because it cites only two sources, and one of those is by the marketing director of Mautic, and so is not Independent. There must be multiple published independant reliable sources, usually at least three, that discuss the topic in some detail to demonstrate notability which is required. See our guideline for the notability of buisnesses. At least two more like the Bloomberg article would be needed.
 * Once submitted, by the way, there may be a significant wait. The pool of drafts awaiting reveiw is now over 3,700 deep. Two month delays are common.
 * In addition, the draft at presaent reads as rather promotional, text such as simply does not belong here. Wikipedia articles must be neutral and factual. They must not express opnions, evaluations or judgements unless those are clearly attributed to a named pereson or entity, in a statemetn cited inline.
 * Do you have any connection with Guardian Digital, ? If you do please decalre it in compliance with our conflict of interest guideline.
 * I hope all this is helpful. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have not yet submitted Draft:Guardian Digital for review, so nothing will happen to it until you do. I have added a header to the draft so that you can submit when it is ready. However, it is not ready. It reads like an advertising pitch, not like an encylopaedia article. Wikipedia has no interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say: it is only interested in what independent sources have said about it. I don't know whether the Bloomberg reference is independent or not: it won't let me open it. But the Mautic one is evidently based on interviews, and so is not independent. You've also not formatted the section headings properly, but that is a superficial issue: the sourcing and tone are crucial issues. Did you read your first article before embarking on the very difficult task of creating a new encyclopaedia article in Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 00:46, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Possible to create a page that has several sub-pages with relevant info?
I'm trying to create a page that documents the worlds fastest race times for a certain athletic activity, and i feel the full data is too extensive to cover on one page. Is it possible to create one page summarizing the fastest world times with links to sub pages showing the fastest times from different world regions and competitions? Is this just a matter of simply creating several pages, publishing them, and providing links to them from the main page? I'm a novice and any assistance is much appreciated. Dragonboat Ronin (talk) 02:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Conceptually, please think in terms of an "article" as opposed to a "page". An encyclopedia article can contain much more information than what is normally considered a "page" of information. Please read Article size for good advice, including what to do when an article grows too large. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  02:21, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Stopping page vandalism
I'm looking at an article (for politician Jeff Van Drew that seems like it's being vandalized. I see that someone has already listed it on Requests for Page Protection - just wondering if there's a way to know what the status of a request like that is, or if there's something I can do to help things along. Surrogami (talk) 00:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I looked at the page history, and I have declined the request for page protection. This is not vandalism, this is a content dispute between people apparently editing in good faith. It seems that there is some rumor or report of Van Drew switching parties, but it has not yet been officially confirmed. Whether this should be included in the article depends on thr quality of the sources that support such a statement. In any case, several of those making this change are registered users, and semi-protection only stops non-registerd (or non-autoconfirmed) editors from changing the article. This will be a matter of article talk page discussion, it seems. I will post to the talk page, Talk:Jeff Van Drew, as I see you have already done. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Please be careful in using the term "vandalism". It should not be used for any edit or action where the intent was to improve the encyclopedia, even if incorrect, or misguided, or agaisnt policy. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks,. Since I see that there is a recent good faith editing exchange in the body of the article text (where someone responded with sources and some language was changed), I want to clarify that I'm not asking about that. It's the simple change to Van Drew's party listing, which has been done and undone several times. Many people have undone this change with comments explaining that he has not officially changed parties, only to have the same edit made again within minutes without any engagement. It seems silly to just keep doing this every five minutes. Surrogami (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is silly, but it isn't strictly speaking vandalism, and some of tht is beign done by registered editors also. I've jsut posted to the talk page, and will take further steps. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:52, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I see what you're saying about vandalism, and thanks for your help. Surrogami (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Talk:Jeff Van Drew now or try to edit the article,, to see my solution. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:52, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Question about proper citation
Hello, I'm attempting to add a second sentence to follow the single sentence which currently resides under the "Uses" section of the Methylphenidate page. The sentence I'd like to add is as follows:

"According to the American Society of Clinical Oncology, methylphenidate may also be used to manage severe cancer-related fatigue in adult patients with advanced disease or in patients receiving active cancer treatment."

I already know how to add this, however, I'm confused about how to add my citation such that it appears in the References section at the end of the page & is hyperlinked by a numbered superscript at the end of my sentence. I'd greatly appreciate any explanation as to how I should do this. The following URL is my source, which also gives the citation of the article:

https://ascopubs.org/doi/pdf/10.1200/JCO.2013.53.4495 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ConduitPharmacy (talk • contribs) 04:05, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello,, Please seee Referencing for beginners and Citing sources on how to format citations in general. In this specific case, i would insert the following:
 * which would render like this.
 * which would render like this.


 * I added the PMCID and PMID to the cite above, since it hasn't been inserted in the article yet. —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 05:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

The thing about my draft...
Right, so I made a draft about this obscure mobile game, Russian Rider Online. I first asked if anyone know about it on my user talk page and got no response. So I go ahead and make the article about Russian Rider Online and it gets rejected not long after I submitted it. I even included a reference in there (and by reference I mean a link to it on the App Store because I don’t know how to cite). Is it because that many people don’t know about it, because it’s so obscure? I mean, it can’t be that unknown, right?

SgtMikhail (talk) 05:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)SgtMikhail
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are several issues here.
 * First, just posting at your own talk page when you haven't been in conversation with anyone particular on the the topic is like mailing  aletter to yourself. No one else is likely to see it, so the lack of response doesn't mean much. One might ask at WikiProject Games, but that doesn't seem to be very active.
 * Second, while Wikipedia does have many articles on topics not very well known, all topics must be notable. Thius usually means that there must be multiple independent published reliable sources that discuss the topic in some depth. Your link to the AppStore isn't independant, because they distribute the fame, and in any case is only a passing mention. Now if ther were several published reviews of the game, not from fansites or blogs or fora or wikis, then those mighyt demonstrate notability. In this case the reviewer belived that there were no such sources to be found. which is why the draft was rejected, not just declined. The reviewer is saying that you would be wasting your own time, and that of future possible reviewers, by trying again. If you seriously disagree, try to find at least three independent reliable sources that discuss the game in detail. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * More geneerally, when creating a new article, you nneed to be careful and diligent. Here are some steps which, if followed carefully, often lead to success:


 * First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your <span title="The subject is the person, business, organization or thing that the article will be about."> subject  clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check  if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
 * Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
 * Third,  This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing. 
 * Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
 * Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
 * Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draaft when you thimnk it is ready for reviewq. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
 * Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.
 * Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

use of non free screenshots to demonstrate video game features?
I am trying to improve the article Carmageddon II: Carpocalypse Now, I wanted to add some screenshots to demonstrate the games engine, I have it at my native resolution but I see that I need to resize or descale it, could someone please explain as i am very confused.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amdcrash (talk • contribs) 10:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . There are important licencing and useage issues which you need to be aware of, and guidance on these are laid out at Software screenshots. I note the line there which states: "Screenshots should be taken at a reduced screen resolution, such as 640x480, 800x600 or 1024x768". Any simple image editing program on your computer will let you reduce image size, and is a simple task. (My personal choice is IrfanView, but MS Paint will do at a pinch!)
 * Having assured yourself by careful reading of all our guidance that you are not contravening the non-free use of an image, it can then be uploaded directly to English Wikipedia, or to Wikimedia Commons. (To be honest, I'm not confident that the use you have in mind would be deemed as OK under our non-free use policy, as there are already two images on the page which serve that purpose). Uploading images to Commons enables any language Wikipedia to use the image, though their licencing conditions are extremely strict (moreso than here). Any infringement results in images being swiftly removed. See Uploading images for detailed guidance on how images can be uploaded. Let us know if this helps you. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * thank you for your reply, I wanted to know if reducing the image size by 50% would be fine? for instance, 1366 by768 to 683 by 384? Amdcrash (talk) 16:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I suspect that would be fine. The most important thing is whether or not the screenshot image you propose to create would meet our non-free use rationale. Have you read through it and decided that it will be?
 * If you pick the commons route after reading c:COM:SCREENSHOTS upload the screenshot as is on commons. For that there must be no copyrighted content such as logos etc. unless it's c:Commons:De minimis. For fair use uploads here reducing the size could help, but as noted above, a non-free use rationale for more images on an article that already has non-free images is "hard", you're probably wasting your time. –84.46.52.214 (talk) 07:20, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

How to delete a 'Draft Rejected' message?
I recently had an article rejected, and I have a new article prepared. How do I get rid of the 'Draft Rejected' message on my talk page and does recently having an article rejected disable your ability to submit an article to be published? Thenorthgoingzax (talk) 15:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can simply edit your user talk page to remove the notice. Having one draft rejected does not affect your ability to submit another or to fix the issues with that draft and resubmit it. 331dot (talk) 15:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

publishing first article
hi, I have read in certain blogs that I need to edit 10 articles in order to publish an article on wikipedia, is that true? and also, how will I be informed that the articles i edited is confirmed and I can publish my own article on wikipedia? Is it possible to publish my own article without editing 10 wiki article? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzthegeek (talk • contribs) 15:08, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello ,
 * The first thing everyone gets told here, is that creating an entirely new article is possibly the hardest task on Wikipedia.
 * Users with less than 10 edits over four days have to have their articles reviewed by wp:Articles for Creation, where experienced editors check over them for you. It is true that after 10 edits you can publish an article directly, however, it will still be reviewed, but by a different set of users. It is recommended that new users use articles for creation, even if they don't technically have to, until they have a good understanding about policies.
 * Should you wish to start writing an article, you are also advised to follow the wp:article wizard, which guides you through the process.  Oxon Alex    - talk  15:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that you have already had 10 edits over 4 days.  Oxon Alex    - talk  15:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Should you wish to start writing an article, you are also advised to follow the wp:article wizard, which guides you through the process.  Oxon Alex    - talk  15:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that you have already had 10 edits over 4 days.  Oxon Alex    - talk  15:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that you have already had 10 edits over 4 days.  Oxon Alex    - talk  15:30, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

you mean i have had edited 10 articles by now and i can publish my own article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzthegeek (talk • contribs) 15:39, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, but as you were told above, we recommend against that. 331dot (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * For File:Mike_donilon.jpg I suggest to add a deletion request, unless you can release this  photo under a free licence. On enwiki fair use isn't possible for non-free photos of living people. –84.46.53.91 (talk) 16:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Article wrong.
This Flag Semaphore article Flag_semaphore Has pictures illustrating the different letters from the Latin alphabet in flag form, the problem is, a few of them are completely different to other graphs I've found. One Google image search gives me a consistant graph of flag semaphores and whilst they are all the same as each other a good third of the letters are completely different from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:A04D:7400:C54A:A65D:7775:1DA5 (talk) 16:39, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi!
 * Why do you think the Wikipedia article is wrong and not the other page?
 * Did you consider a possibility that both are correct (but maybe one of them is e.g. outdated)?
 * What is that other page?
 * CiaPan (talk) 16:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Use of et al.
Hello Teahouse members,

I'm editing Disability in India and just added a journal article with very many authors, which you can see here. Template:Cite journal mentions a "collaboration" parameter which will add "et al.". I've included it in the ref but it doesn't appear. What do I need to enter with the parameter to make it actually appear in the reference?

Thanks Gazelle55 (talk) 01:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . If you scroll through the instructions for Template:Cite journal, you should find something about a parameter called display-authors. I think by using this parameter, you can tell the template to use "et al." when it formats the reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)