Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 104

Bare URLs
I just had my first page created  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Carli    there is a notation regarding bare URLs  I have attempted to fix it  can someone look at my efforts and comment? Thanks in advance Rob ConnecticutHistorian (talk) 19:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I corrected it with .-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 19:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks...

Assume the notation at top will disappear? Rob ConnecticutHistorian (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No, but I removed it :) -- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 19:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

How do I get an update on a page I have submitted for publication?
I submitted a page for publication on the 6th May, but I am not sure of its status - what channel do I use to ask Wikipedia about this ? Adambarlow75 (talk) 15:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Adam. When somebody reviews your page, they should update the Review box at the bottom of the page. Until that happens, it probably hasn't been looked at.
 * Looking at it now, I see that you have put your citations as external references within the text, rather than as proper citations. This will not necessarily mean that the article will be rejected, though it needs to be fixed in the long term. But it has the effect that at first glance the article looks as if it has no references; and when you notice that they are there, you can't easily see what sources are used, and so whether or not they are reliable and independent. It would be make the job of reviewing very much easier if you were to read WP:Referencing for beginners, and convert your links to proper references. --ColinFine (talk) 15:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Adam. It is easier for other editors to answer your question if you provide a link to the page concerned.  In this case I am guessing that you might be referring to User:Adambarlow75/sandbox.  If that is the case, in the box at the foot of the page it says "This submission is waiting to be reviewed. This may take several days. The Articles for creation process is backlogged. Please be patient. There are currently 731 pending submissions (1 over 2 weeks old, 295 over 1 week old) waiting for review at this page."  Without pre-empting the result of that review, I would point out that your draft does contain many in-line external links, which Wikipedia doesn't like, and it contains no references, which Wikipedia does want to see.  You therefore ought to read WP:External links and WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm busy reviewing it now - you will recieve a notice about the result on your Talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks blooming good for a first article, doesn't it-!!!! Basket Feudalist 16:12, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

In editing, how can I enter my name as a link to my website, ?
In editing, how can I enter my name as a link to my website? Borgew (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome. It is simple, you put your website's link inside the [] and then your name separated by a space (for ex. Borgew). There you go. Hope it helps. happy editing!!.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  14:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Mind you, remember the necessity to avoid contentious usernames etc... Basket Feudalist 14:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * See also WP:SIG which suggests not to add external link in signature! --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Article deletion. No response to questions.
Hi, An article created in English Wikipedia by a person whom I was helping to start editing is deleted twice. The article topic was "Maggie Shah". Maggie Shah is one of the top women entrepreneur in Nepal. I don't know about what the contributor wrote. I want to help her with the article. I've requested to the person (Who has deleted it) to userify the article. Can you please help me in this regards? I am also looking for expansion of wiki projects in Nepal from Wikimedia Nepal. The Notability you've set in English Wikipedia has really discouraged to new users. --Ganesh Paudel (talk) 10:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Ganesh. I've userfied the article at User:SamanaShrestha/Maggie Shah. I'm sorry that you find the notability guidelines difficult for new users (I assume the Nepali ones are less stringent) but trust me, given the avalanche of inappropriate articles we get, they are sorely needed. You might want to point your protege at WP:42, which concisely summaries the basic notability requirements here. Thanks for helping new contributors. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

RCP
How could I become a RC Partoller? Zince 34'  08:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Zince. There's no official requirement for RCP (although it helps to be familiar with Wikipedia's basic guidelines). Just click the "Recent changes" link (under "Interaction" in the sidebar menus &larr;) and take a look at the list of recent edits - check them individually for vandalism and/or errors. There are full instructions at WP:RCP. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

draft of an article
Hello, I have written a draft of an article which i believe meets all the criteria for wikipedia... Can I have someone look at this in PDF form before I begin...it still needs some polishing..in a few areas.

Many thanks for your advice, Kristen

Kristenneymarc (talk) 05:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Kristen, Where is your draft? Your only edit except for your post here is to User:Kristenneymarc/sandbox, and that page is virtually empty, saying only "Neymarc Visuals". Also we do not take articles in PDF format; text has to be in wikicode.
 * Also I am concerned from the similarity of your username to "Neymarc Visuals" that you may be intending to write about a company that you are personally connected with. While that is not forbidden, it is discouraged: Please read Conflict of interest. —teb728 t c 05:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Placing language tags on a user talk page
Hello! I'm back with yet another problem: I cannot successfully place interlanguage links (e.g. " " for French, etc.) on my talk page. Would somebody please tell me why this is—and how I can possibly fix it? Thank you.&emsp;&mdash;  | J  ~  Pæst  |   22:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome back. Help:Interlanguage links says: "Interlanguage links in Talk pages and on Meta will appear inline in the text, like regular links, so you can cite other pages in discussion." You can make interlanguage links on your user page but not the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, PrimeHunter. I did not realize that was the only possibility.&emsp;&mdash;  | J  ~  Pæst  |   02:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * should work in any namespace and result in fr:Discussion utilisateur:JPaestpreornJeolhlna. What I got from that section of Help:Interlanguage links is simply that some namespaces require the colon, some don't, but the colon will work in all. Technical 13 (talk) 11:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * J~Pæst already had inline links at User talk:JPaestpreornJeolhlna but wanted links under the Languages heading to the left of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh! Thank you for the clarification. I never use those links myself and often forget they are even there.  The only way that I am aware of to add a link there for that only works using JavaScript and then only works for those that have said JavaScript installed.  I'd be happy to help you put together a simple script to do that, but you would have to keep in mind that it would most likely only make the link appear for you.  I could create that for you tomorrow (I have to get my last final exam done today at school and have no free time at all (I shouldn't even be spending time sorting through my email this morning XD)). Technical 13 (talk) 11:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Making Proposed Changes Based on Non-Response to Requested Feedback in Article Talk Pages
I would appreciate assistance or feedback on how I can reach a consensus on proposed changes in the 4 articles noted below without further delays in order to avoid any future questions by Alansohn regarding these changes, which were originally reverted by Alansohn. It has been 9 weeks since I opened up Talk pages on March 7 & 8 based on Alansohn’s request, along with follow-up at Alansohn’s “FYI” talk requesting feedback.

No one else has indicated any objections to these changes.

Over 9 weeks, I have made good faith efforts to try and work with Alansohn without any success for straight forward changes that I thought would be resolved within a week’s time.

However, Alansohn has offered further delays in his responses to me or to a request by someone else as part of a Third Opinion. See Alansohn “3O” talk.

If Alansohn does not provide any feedback within a reasonable time (perhaps 1 week after discussions here?), can I just notify everyone on the Talk pages for these 4 articles that these changes will be implemented without further discussion since no objections have been made?

A. Talk:New Jersey Route 55; B. Talk:International High School (New Jersey); C. Talk:Reversible lane; and D. Talk:Spanish Transportation.

Can the cited sources from a columnist from The Record newspaper be replaced with other cited sources? Each of the changes involved replacing a cited source from The Record newspaper that either did NOT have any relevant details or had details in contradiction to what was referenced in the Wikipedia article. I replaced those cited sources with reliable sources that confirmed the referenced info in the articles.

Can other factual statements that I identified with cited sources also be added?

I have made changes in other articles that replaced irrelevant or out-of-date sources other than The Record. I have also made many constructive updates in other articles.Wondering55 (talk) 19:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * As stated elsewhere, I have no objections at this point to any of these changes based on your explanations. Alansohn (talk) 19:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I will update the 4 Talk pages with Alansohn's acceptance of these changes and make the relevant changes.Wondering55 (talk) 02:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Pictures
I would like to insert an image. The picture I have in mind is a Spy cartoon (from Vanity Fair 1892). Do I infringe copyright if I copy the image (using a snipping tool) from a website & then use it?

Thanks

RacingArchivist (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi RacingArchivist, and welcome to the teahouse! If you really mean 1892, then you should upload the image at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard and choose as the license tag. (As a British publication, the copyright has expired because either the author died more than 70 years ago, or the author cannot be identified and the work was published more than 70 years ago).


 * Do come back if you need any more help! (Image licensing is messy...) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * RacingArchivist, hi and welcome to the Teahouse. You won't be breaching any copyright as Leslie Ward (Spy) died in 1922 so his published work is out of copyright in most countries including the US.  Before uploading an image, and I suggest you upload it to Commons where it can be used across all wikis, check that it hasn't already been uploaded by looking through this category - commons:Caricatures by Leslie Ward in Vanity Fair - if contains most, if not all, of his work for Vanity Fair. NtheP (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

What should be done about a Category page when a more detailed page on the topic is completed?
There is a page called Category:2NE1 songs, but I have recently completed a more complete, detailed page called List of Songs recorded by 2NE1. Should the Category page be eliminated as I have created an updated and completed page on the subject? Should the code that was used to make the new page replace that of the category page? Or should they both stay how they are? When I search it on Google, the category page comes up and not the one I created. Kd6502 (talk) 16:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Kd6502, hi. Short answer is no, the category should not be deleted.  The category and the article you have created have different purposes.  Your article, and it looks comprehensive, is a reference for anyone interested in the subject; the category is a method of navigating around subjects.  The category itself is linked to several other categories
 * Category:2NE1
 * Category:K-pop songs
 * Category:Songs by artist
 * Category:South Korean songs
 * so anyone who has started by looking at K-pop might find their way through to topics about 2NE1 via the categories, something that wouldn't be possible with only the article. You can find out a lot more about categories and what they are for at Categorization. NtheP (talk) 17:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, KD. The article you created is actually called List of songs recorded by 2NE1. Capitalization does make a difference.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Timeline graph
I want to create a graph like this in Wikipedia. But, can not understand how to create this using bar chart or vertical chart! --Tito Dutta (contact) 16:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tito, not exactly built for the purpose but there's a Lua module at Module:Chart that can be used to make stacked bar charts. Looks like it doesn't support horizontal graphs though, and I haven't used it myself. However, if you want something just for making a timeline, there's always the EasyTimeline feature. See the timeline of computing article for an example that uses the latter. Chamal T •C 16:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Tito! You may be looking for Bar chart Technical 13 (talk) 16:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for replying. I feel delighted to see the swiftness and accuracy of Teahousers. The main question mentioned that I checked bar chart and I can not understand how to make it with Module:Chart. Here is a more clearly what I am looking for—


 * Swami Vivekananda went to Khetri thrice between 1891 to 1897. All three visits have high historic importance. Details of this visit may be found here Ajit_Singh_of_Khetri (i am expanding the article, so, not finished yet, but, you'll get the dates). Now, I have thought an image like this:


 * Is there any option to create a graph like this? Can you suggest any other option to do this? --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Tito, look at Include_timeline. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My brain is getting overloaded at this moment with some royal history of Khetri! (I may ask another question if I can not solve the puzzles of thhat royal history) Could you please specify which template from that page I should use and if possible what should be the initial structure of the template? Just initiate it and I'll carry on from there! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:08, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to create the timeline you want at User:TheOriginalSoni/sandbox_5_graphical_timeline by modifying another one I worked on long time back. Hop in to help. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see just error messages there! I am thinking to create the image simply in paint (like the above but this time a better one, not quick draft) or drop it altogether! --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:38, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * An svg picture will be better. And see now. I broke it while modifying it.
 * You could also simply settle for horizontal though. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Notability
Dear Sir/Madam, Below is a response I received about a page i am trying to create. I am at loss as to what to do. Please any advise will be much appreciated. Thanks

This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the general guideline on notability and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject. Declined by Davidwr 24 hours ago. Last edited by Hasteur 13 hours ago. Reviewer: Inform author. Ugo27 (talk) 15:39, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Ugo27! It would appear that an article you have been working on using the article creation wizard over at Articles for creation was declined upon review by Davidwr. I see that the most recent editor was Hasteur of whom is also an AfC reviewer. I'm sure that a note on either of their talk pages requesting more information on what you can do to make your article better would be your best bet. Secondly, although it is unfortunate, not everything deserves a page on Wikipedia, and you should keep that in mind. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 16:37, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ugo, looking at the article, at present you have exactly two references; but each of them demonstrates that the journal exists, but not that it is notable. That is, in neither of them has a reliable source written at length about the journal: that is what is required for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Eeegad! Hi, Ugo27.  Even experienced Wikipedia editors can find it difficult to get articles on scientific journals accepted.  There is a notability guidelines just for journals at WP:NJournals.  Check it for advice.  You can probably get some help at WikiProject: Academic Journals.   I will be busy all week but will try to post more specific recommendations to your talk page this coming weekend if you don't manage to get your article to mainspace before then.  Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 22:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the responses. Much appreciated.Ugo27 (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Inserting a Table
I've created a table. It looked as I wanted it to look. However, when I saved it appeared under External links, and didn't look as I wanted which might have been my fault by adding references!

RacingArchivist (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi RacingArchivist, welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your edits. A table must end with a line containing the two characters . Otherwise the software doesn't know where the table ends. That can cause strange results, including big differences between how a section looks in preview and how the whole page looks. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks.

All sorted now. RacingArchivist (talk) 14:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Redirect
Is it possible to redirect my user page ? I've redirected articles but don't know about user page. :) Mohammad Sabbir  ♥  04:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse Mohammad. It is possible, but it is usually deemed confusing, leaving it undesirable. What page would you like to redirect it to, and why do you want to redirect it? Technical 13 (talk) 11:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * well my user page name is user:Md31sabbir . But i wanna redirect user:Mohammad Sabbir to this user page. Its like a user page redirecting to another user page. P.s= i would love to be called 'Sabbir' rather than 'Mohammad'. Thank you. Mohammad Sabbir  ♥  13:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * User:Mohammad Sabbir has redirected to User:Md31sabbir since 27 April. Is that not what you want? I guess both accounts belong to you but you haven't used the first since July 2012, so the redirect seems fine. People who haven't seen your wish to be called Sabbir are unlikely to do this unless your signature only displays "Sabbir". We have a User:Sabbir but the account is inactive so confusion is unlikely. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Might I suggest modifying your signature to  ( Sabbir, Mohammad  ♥ ) which will suggest to people that you prefer to be called "Sabbir". People often choose to call people by the first syllable they see in the signature. Like people call me "Tech" or "T13" and people that know me as ShoeMaker simply call me "Shoe". With your current signature, people are likely to call you "Mo" or "Mohammad". Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 14:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * thanks all for valuable suggestions Mohammad Sabbir  ♥  15:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

wrote about my sister
Oops. First article I ever touched was a bio of my sister, and I described the changes as "from her brother". I thought the full disclosure would be the correct thing to do.

Today I got to reading the conflict of interest paragraphs and I have sinned! It's like incest or something!

My sister wrote three historical novels, one made into a TV movie/miniseries starring the then-unknown Angelina Jolie. The movie in in perpetual reruns on cable TV. The Wikipedia article probably has a fair number of hits.

To remedy my stumble, I put in sources for every paragraph, quoted from the books themselves and from the book jackets, and I think kept a very neutral voice. The earlier version had been put up by a fan, using two sources, and enthusiastic language. The errors began in the first sentence, when it said she was born in Seguin, Texas, but she was born in San Antonio. I forget the other errors of omission and commission, but the article was replete with them.

Now any editor can get up in arms and delete my rewrite. The article will revert to the erroneous jumble it was before.

So how can we now resolve the desire for accuracy with the rules about impartiality?

WoodyinNYC

WoodyinNYC (talk) 03:30, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Woody, welcome to the teahouse! In general, people don't (or shouldn't) revert carefully written and sourced material back to erroneous jumbles just because the editor had a conflict of interest. So I wouldn't worry too much. Although, for future changes you should probably make a request on the talk page, rather than editing the article directly. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Newbie Needs Help Saving the Erick Miller Article -- It NEEDS Editors
Someone wants Erick Miller page deleted. Please help save the page. Here's the Talk page. Thanks to those who have already commented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Erick_Miller

The same person already deleted the Epiphany Eyewear Article. Some editors think it should not have been deleted.

Your help is needed. Thank you!!!!

301man (talk) 06:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, 301man. Please be aware that for me (and I suspect for many other Wikipedians, though I may be wrong) your appeal here immediately got my back up. If you had come here and asked dispassionately for some more people to have a look at an ongoing discussion, that would be one thing; but instead you asked people to "help" in "saving" the page. I understand that anybody who has created a new page will feel attached to it; but Wikipedia (even in deletion discussions) is not a competition, and canvassing for any position is not likely to win you many supporters. The way to keep an article proposed for deletion is to obtain a consensus to do so by addressing the specific reasons for which it was proposed. You say your have no conflict of interest because you do not know Miller well (which I quite believe), but you also say "I was impressed with how Miller's ideas were being transformed into a possible world changing technology." In my book, that is a conflict of interest, because it suggests that you are likely to be more concerned with promoting Miller and his ideas than with Wikipedia's interests (as with all conflict of interest, this is not a foregone conclusion, still less an accusation, but a recognition that it is likely to be difficult for the writer in question to be dispassionate and neutral).
 * I do not have an opinion on the deletion discussion itself: on a quick look, it appears that there are now reliable sources but for the company rather than for Miller himself. But I am not interested enough to delve further, and so will not be contributing to the discussion. --ColinFine (talk) 11:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * ColinFine: Thanks for the feedback.  Being new to this your info helps.  I had surgery Friday, so I'm not all "there" mentally yet to dive back into this, but I did want to say thanks for your insight.  The info I added to Miller's page is fact and written from a neutral stance.  Third party sources are named.  His most recent work has lent to notability.  More time is needed to dig into past notability sources. I have a few good leads.  Hate to see the work done so far by everyone to be deleted.  Reaching out here was an idea someone else suggested. I thought I'd give it a shot.  My passion is to add more new technology inventors and bios to the encyclopedia to advance Wikipedia and the subjects who make Wikipedia what it is. Miller is on to something and like I said, the meds I'm taking right now keep my head too cloudy to think straight.  Interesting as it may be, I stumbled upon Miller while doing research for Google Glass.  I am impressed with many of Wikipedia's topics. That does not constitute a COI.  It means I still have an interest in what's happening in the world and appreciate the work being done on to advance Wikipedia, not the people named on its pages.  Your support is appreciated and I do reach out to consider having the page saved until I'm well enough to dig deeper into Miller's past credible sources.  Thank you... 301man (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Just a note that almost nothing is ever permanently deleted on Wikipedia. If, once medication is no longer an issue, you locate additional sources that you believe would prove Miller's notability, you could then ask the deleting administrator to restore the deleted article into userspace, for you to work on it further (adding the newly found sources) and then resubmit it as an article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

What's The Exactly
Hello everyone. I was wondering what's the exactly kind of question you can ask at the reference desk Misc. Section????  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  18:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Miss Bono, and welcome back to The Teahouse. The short answer is you can ask pretty much any question that is not covered by one of the other categories: Computing, Entertainemnt, Humanities, Language, Mathematics, or Science.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I was asking for some help about Fanfic (if anyone could give some advice) and the said that the reference desk wasn't a forum. I did not ask for posting any fanfic there, just a little help with the matter. As you can see is not a question for a forum, just asking for help to someone related to the "stuff"  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  19:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought your question there was inappropriate, though I was not sure quite what to say, and so said nothing. I think the problem is summed up on the first line of the "How can I get my question answered" at the top of the page: "Explain what you need to know.". That is a reference desk: it is asking for information, (preferably, information from published references) not for correspondents or collaborators. It would be on target to ask "What are some sites where I could find people interested in writing fanfic", but not in my view "I am looking for somebody who is interested in writing fanfic". I agree that this could be interpreted as meaning the first question, but its obvious interpretation is as an appeal for collaborators rather than information, which is off topic. --ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Knowing as much as I know about the little that I know Colin, I'm going to bet that Miss Bono was simply misunderstood. There is a subtle difference in your two examples above, and whereas English is not Miss Bono's primary language, the difference is likely lost to her.  I've never helped out at the reference desk, so I can't say for sure, but I guessing this happens from time to time.  Perhaps you could suggest to the other hosts/helpers/responders there that if such a question comes in, instead of simply turning them away (you can always send them here), ask them if they meant the other more appropriate wording?  I know that it is a little more work, but I think it would greatly improve communications and the responders there would feel better about themselves knowing they helped someone.  I mean, helping others solve their problems and questions is why we do it, right? Just some food for thought. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 12:32, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Technical 13. and yes, I was misunderstood.   Miss Bono   (zootalk)  11:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I think I need a disambiguation page
Hi,

I posted this on the Talk page for the page I'm asking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Raw_Engineering, but I was told on Twitter I should ask the question again here.

The company I work for is often getting confused in media because the Wikipedia page with our name is associated to a company that is no longer known as raw engineering. Obviously we don't want to change their page or anything, but a disambiguation page would likely make sense to clarify that raw engineering at rawengineering.com is not the same as the raw engineering at the above URL (although the link on the right panel is right, many people don't look that closely).

Thanks in advance. Galbutnotgirl (talk) 19:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The existing Raw Engineering article should be moved to Raw Striker as that is the company's actual current name. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Galbutnotgirl and welcome to the Teahouse. Is your company notable enough to have its own article on Wikipedia? That's the only way a disambiguation page could include you.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've also nominated the redirect for speedy deletion as having the redirect defeats the purpose of moving the page whereas there is a new company that has this name and they are not the same. Technical 13 (talk) 19:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know if our company is notable enough to have it's own page. I mainly wanted to avoid the public confusion that occurs because our company name brings up an incorrect page that is not associated with our company. This has caused confusion with press.

I would love to also have a page for the company on Wikipedia, but my main concern is fixing the confusion caused (which I think the redirect keeps in page).

Galbutnotgirl (talk) 02:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Mostly just cross posting from the Raw Engineering talk. I disagree that the Raw Engineering page needs to be deleted. The company Raw Striker Ltd used to operate as Raw Engineering until quite recently (2010) and many former customers of Raw Striker would only know them as Raw Engineering. Additionally, there are references in manuals, brochures, etc. which refer to Raw Engineering. I think that a disambiguation page makes sense, even if rawengineering is not yet a notable company as it does remove the confusion and still allows those who know Raw Striker as Raw Engineering to find what they are looking for. Additionally, if rawengineering (of rawengineering.com) is finding that they are "often getting confused in media because (of) the Wikipedia page" then I think that they probably do satisfy the notability requirements enough to warrant their own page. Nasty (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Image gallery
Can someone tell me how to create an image gallery and how can i use it on my user page ? Mohammad Sabbir ♥  02:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Mohammad, Does Picture_tutorial tell you what you want to know? —teb728 t c

afd
Can i remove the Afd tag from my article Comme Chez Soi now ? Mohammad Sabbir ♥  15:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the teahouse (again). No, you can't remove the tag until the discussion is over but you can vote in the discussion. King Jakob  C2 15:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * would you tell me the process of voting please ? Mohammad Sabbir  ♥  16:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If you look at the article Comme Chez Soi, you'll see in the AfD notification box at the top a link marked as "this article's entry". Following that link will take you to the page Articles for deletion/Comme Chez Soi (2011) where you can read the debate on whether the article should be deleted or kept. You may edit that page to comment on the arguments made (but please don't comment on the editors themselves). If you do, then try to address in particular the nominator's claim that Comme Chez Soi does not meet the standard laid down at Notability (films). There are already three editors arguing to keep the article, so you may find you have little to add. --RexxS (talk) 23:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note that there is a long-standing trope on Wikipedia that we don't "vote", we discuss/debate, which is essentially to get across the idea that simply registering your opposition or support for something is of little use because we don't use head counts to reach consensus but quality and strength of arguments. Users will often use the expression "!vote" as a stand in for this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I would like to become a confirmed editor..how?
Are there any specific rules to become a confirmed editor?

I have found this: "A contributor's ability to perform certain actions in Wikipedia depends on his/her user access level. This is determined by whether the editor is logged in to an account, whether the account has a sufficient age and number of edits, and what additional rights ("user groups", also called "flags" or "bits") have been assigned manually to the account."

Is there a defined path I can take to achieve this status?? AMediaGuy (talk) 18:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Teahouse. Your account should be 4 days old and have 10 edits. See WP:CONFIRM. If you want the user rights before 4 days and 10 edits request here Requests_for_permissions. Note, most probably an admin will ask you some questions there. Most of the applicants don't reply back there and thus their applications are rejected! --Tito Dutta (contact) 18:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your very timely response. Do all edits count, including the edits here in the Teahouse? 99.9.60.197 (talk) 19:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, as far as I know! Request right at WP:PERM --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I just reviewed my preferences and it says that I am a member of the autoconfirmed group. I believe that answers everything. Thank you again, I appreciate you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMediaGuy (talk • contribs) 19:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again. Is there any notification when this occurs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMediaGuy (talk • contribs) 19:14, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It'll depend on the admin who'll handle it. But, Wikipedia will not send send any automatic message to inform you that your request is being handled. So, I suggest you keep the page in your Special:Watchlist --Tito Dutta (contact) 19:23, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no notification when you become autoconfirmed. You are already autoconfirmed so there is no reason to request confirmation at WP:PERM. Confirmation only gives the rights you already have as autoconfirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

This page needs no someone to talk to the two COI editors
Hello,

Can anyone please take a quick look at this talk page? I don't want to escalate the situation and have no time right now to make him understand the what and the why. I'll be very happy if someone can please get the situation resolved. Also, I've added this at WP:COIN, but that entry needs to be expanded.

Thanks a lot! A kinda in a rush editor, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Random side note (I don't want to get into the argument there). FYI, help-me is really only meant to be used on /user/ talk pages, not article ones.... Namespace 'user_talk'. It's for getting 'live help' from the IRC help channel peeps.
 * done or EAR and that family is better. Revent (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Apply for Administrator
How can I become administrator Aftab Banoori 12:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftabbanoori (talk • contribs)
 * Aftabbanoori, at first welcome to the teahouse. You can become admin from here. But you need to go here to nominate yourself. Also you can ask members of this project. But I don't think it'll be wise for you to ask for adminship. First of all you need more experience. Second with only 132 edits at this wiki I don't think you'll pass. So edit wiki regularly become experienced and Ask for adminship. I hope I answered your question.-- Pr at yya  (Hello!) 12:47, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

How and Where to Suggest recommendations in terms of improving both Wikipedia and TeaHouse?
May I ask one question? : "How and Where can I suggest or give recommendations to improve Wikipedia and TeaHouse? For example like, which webpage(s) should I go through?AAZIO (talk) 06:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi AAZIO! The best place for suggesting changes for Wikipedia in general is the Village Pump for proposals. If you have any suggestions for improving the TeaHouse, please head over to Wikipedia talk:Teahouse or Wikipedia talk:Teahouse/Host lounge. Chamal T •C 06:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright...Thank you very much for your guidance. I'll post more question(s) if I need to inquire for information. Thank you.AAZIO (talk) 06:56, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Symbols
I kinda confused with the symbols given by wikipedia; but still managed to keep up my recently edited work by memorizing some of them. Can anyone help me out? I'll be glad if somebody is kind enough to answer this short summarized question. Your reply or answer(s) 'll be very much appreciated. Thank youAAZIO (talk) 03:45, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey AAZIO. I'm not 100% sure I know what you mean by your use of the word "symbols". I think, though, that you may be referring to "wikimarkup", such as two apostrophes around a word for italics, three for boldface, brackets to make link and so on (the link I just provided has lots of information on it). However, if I'm on the right track, I think you would get a lot out of taking a tour through the Tutorial. Also, we have a page that provides a much shorter summary of commonly used markup called the Cheatsheet. If what you meant by "symbols" was something else, please explain a little bit more about what you are having a problem with, and maybe provide an example. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * No specific meaning, but thanks a lot for correcting me as the word "symbols" written earlier means the "wiki-mark ups" as you have pointed out to me. Anyway, thanks again for introducing me Tutorial and I'll try that out.AAZIO (talk) 04:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Correct style for referencing or citing books and journals
Hello, I'm helping my partner work on a scientific article. We're both new here. I've looked at the tutorial for referencing work but it only gives online examples. If there a correct format (such as APA style, etc) for referencing books and journals?

This leads to a second question. Would it be better, where possible, to find a link to the journal article online and link to that? And would it matter if the access to the article was only open to paid subscribers?

Thanks in advance Sharon Shazster (talk) 03:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse Shazster. Yes there are examples that use a template - pls see Citation templates. Manually adding references can be a slow and tricky process. Fortunately, there is a tool called "RefToolbar" built into the Wikipedia edit window, which makes it much easier.Moxy (talk) 03:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * In answer to your other question, it is not required that a source referenced be available online, or be free of charge (or be in English, for that matter). Obviously it is helpful if there is a source which is all of those things, but it is not required: as long as the source is in principle available to members of the public (for example, by inter-library loan). So yes, it would be better to give a link, even if it is behind a paywall; but it is not essential.--ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * As far as actual 'citation style' itself, the only 'requirement' is that the cites within a particular article are in a consistent format. Using MLA, APA, Chicago, etc. in a specific article is just fine. (See wp:CITEVAR) Revent (talk) 17:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Who is to decide what is "silly editorilizing?"
I did an edit and added a couple of sentences that were factual about a television show. It was deleted a day later and the reason stated by whoever did it was "silly editorializing." Busterbud (talk) 01:45, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That would have to be done at the individual user level. My76Strat (talk) 02:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what some people are here on Wikipedia for, to delete. they're called "the deletioners" and seem to hold quite a lot of power! be careful with them, if you upset any of them, they will bite you!nevermindthebollocks (talk) 10:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Busterbud. We decide such things by consensus: the procedure is called the bold, revert, discuss procedure. Here, you boldly added something, Bbb23 reverted it (with a not very kind edit summary, it's true), and if you disagree with the reversion, it is then up to you to discuss it on the article's talk page, and try to reach agreement with Bbb23 and any other editors who are interested.
 * I can't see gaining a consensus for "silly editorializing". We would undoubtedly strive for higher collegiality. That summary was fashioned by an individual editor and it would be theirs to explain. I got the sense that the editor asking this question was taken aback at being labeled as silly? My76Strat (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In this case, I would regard your addition as rather trivial, and in fact I am going to remove the entire paragraph, because it is unreferenced, and unless a reliable reference can be found that discusses the matter, I think it is all too trivial. Of course somebody may then disagree with me, but unless they can find a reference, they will be on a weak argument, I think. The particular thing I think Bbb23 may have been referring to is your "it is interesting that": phrases like this are never appropriate in Wikipedia articles (unless they quoting or otherwise directly referencing something in a reliable source) because it is not up to Wikipedia to tell readers what is interesting, or surprising, or important. Phrases like this are called editorializing: see WP:EDITORIALIZING for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation example
Hello..I am creating an article for an Ed Hill the songwriter, not Ed Hill the American Journalist.. what is the proper way to note the Disambiguation?

Should I list it as Ed Hill (songwriter) and will it pop up as multiple listings or what? I am the labeler! (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Thelabeler. If we have just two Ed Hill articles, then name yours as you suggested. Use a hatnote at the top of each page. On your songwriter page, the note at the very beginning would say something like, "For the American journalist, see E. D. Hill", with a similar note about the songwriter at the top of the journalist's page. If we have three or more articles about different topics with identical or very similar names, a separate disambiguation page is the proper solution. Hope this helps.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  21:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking at the example you gave Ed Hill is a title you can create without disambiguation. The journalist is E. D. Hill which uses ED Hill as a redirect, but the red-linked title can be created without disambiguation. You may still use the hatnote as well. My76Strat (talk) 01:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

how long wheat is a it for article i what created wheat to go up on interweb wiki if i create or should i put what is it? it wiki or go wikibooks (cooking) (Wheat) I don't know?
I kyoung. But put article for it s is the creation. of VILLAGE STEW my grandfather make it is in. I woundre if it got threw to go up? Even it popular outside of korean (KOREAN) village to get up, many people eat the stew. Grandfather band, bad man, touch kids, but I still thing think it's controversial if he make some and thing famous, even he worhsip hilted an rape and do the thing, s ee she he still make controubition and now I waite for article to go up,.... here areticle tell why not up> (Below)

Village Soup by Kyoung new article content ... This Kyoung. I is in the village of my home in Korea (Korean village) my father's father who wheat would tell of is the village stew. If not the richest, still the wheat soup of village can be found for even the poorest farmer or a simple phesant AIDS or victim. Contents [hide] 1 Recipe and Prepare Wife Do 2 History Of Stew 3 Legacy 4 Kyoung Fine Auto 5 References 6 External links 7 Request review at WP:AFC 8 Request review at WP:AFC Recipe and Prepare Wife Do [edit]

The stew was make in a stone cooking metal pot in the centere of a any or small collage village/town (Korea) bring a stock broth to boil in the large pot and add if the follow Onions white yellow chopped The fish oil in beef stocking Carrots of chopped lmeon lezt Fishmeat from various fish meat (the in chopped gut) rice and pig or chicken meat Broth of fish/meat Rice add Cabbage or kaleseeweed

other also. Ingrendents can vary, but this stew know as village stew, or in korean it 심지어 마을이나 마을이나 어떤 사상에서 가장 가난한 남자를위한 스튜. This boil low for all day in village, draws man hungry fans of stew, eating for days, even if worthless bum pheasant touches the children sexually. History Of Stew [edit]

My father father (Granndady) was war criminal and tourchured many many innocent men. Rape mens wife, molest children. Burn down people home in korea, was sent to prision, but he still escape, but there he learn to make stew. Whorsiped Adolf Hitler...in prison he learn cook, as the teach him even though he disembow 12 year old girl, have love with corpse. throw acid, gentials. He perfect soup in the prision, when escape, kill man in chase, hide out. Beat my father when child, but feed soup. my father become man, in charge of tribal fire, put the axe to my grandfather, rip penis off and offer to gods. HE take the recipe and share with village. Many glad father do the kill. Wheat. The they is it in now. Father, soup or stew (korean) is shared by man, poor, rich. Rich man look down as it only but still do "(Comfort foods?!?} Grandfather Nazi syhmapthiser also rapes corpse, but still make the village stew so not all bad man. Legacy [edit]

Steew still eating in many Korean villages to this day, and of is korean national dish in some area. Honor of my father for ripping penis of good, luck in his village still prospers. Fatner good man to all., and stew it an the is. Very popular, richness allow to open car auto repair. Kyoung Fine Auto [edit]

Thank to many famous of the stew, father give store to me of fix cars and auto in Korea, my own town business KYOUNG FINE AUTO. We do fix all car for your need, and wheels to glass, make the car good. NOt bad man or store, not no no Hitler, do not worship as god. No rape or molester, just fix car.

References [edit]

External links [edit]

example.com

so think and i in do right or not do right to put it in place? (Wheat) if you undrestand if it is in and what....I wait for reply to se on wiki I show my dad (daddy is not dad) bpd and if evil, but stew for the village article I show all?

Kyoung

This kyoung.

Fine auto.KyoungAuto (talk) 18:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Kyoung. I am glad to see you are interested in Wikipedia.  However, due to your skills in English, I cannot tell really what you are asking.  Wikipedia has editions in many languages besides English.  Perhaps one in your native tongue would be more suitable for your contributions.  Just go to www.wikipedia.org for listings of other editions of Wikipedia.  I doubt at this point you have the skills in English to contribute here.  Thanks for coming to the Teahouse with your question and good luck. Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The Korean Wikipedia is at http://ko.wikipedia.org I'm sure you'll fid it much easier to contribute there. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion & bots
Several questions:


 * 1) Is there a bot that warns people their articles have been tagged for speedy deletion?
 * 2) If not, would it be better to get an existing bot to do that or create a new bot?
 * 3) If it's better to create a new bot, how would that be done?

Thanks, King Jakob  C2 14:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, King Jakob. I cannot say in general, but if you use Twinkle to tag an article for CSD, it automatically notifies the author. Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:35, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Have totally re-written article. How do I re-submit?
Hi! I have tried to submit an article about an important event happening in the Catholic Church: the Declaration on Authority in the Church. It started as 'the Jubilee Declaration'. In the course of time it gathered pace and now 204 very prominent international theologians have endorsed the Declaration. My submission was rejected a couple of times because of 'lack of sources'. . . Last month I submitted a totally updated version with plenty of verifiable sources: reports in magazines, newspapers, well-known newsblogs etc.etc. It was rejected again as 'weakly sourced' with the remark added: 'see previous comments'. What on earth can I do? Please, see my submission! Elsa Elsa Beek (talk) 14:41, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the teahouse. You can add  to the top of your draft to submit it.King  Jakob  C2 14:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK
Hi guys, I want to get this straight. Is the usage of quote marks for DYK hooks not allowed? I find that pretty absurd as I've seen many cases of such being approved. And yet recently, a certain editor from the East has been rejecting hooks with quotation marks, citing "POV"! ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 11:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Bonkers. Your question at first confused me a bit, until I tracked down the source. You're talking about a user who has rejected a quotation in a DYK, not quotation/quote marks, which is the punctuation used to mark the quotation. In general I agree with the user. A DYK should not be made up of a quote of one person's opinion about the subject of the article. Oh, there may be exceptions, such as where the person who is the source of the quote is very famous and their opinion is not just cited in the article but discussed on the article, e.g, "did you know that Shakespeare said of ____, "quote"". But all things should be looked at on their peculiar merits and not under a blanket rule. In this case I would not have approved the hook for the Lewis Song. I have looked at the DYK rules and supplementary rules and see no guidance on this issue. I would have to see the particulars of other DYK hooks using quotations to more fully decide whether I would support something said in guideline for, against or offering advice as to their use. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks... I was thinking of approved hooks like Template:Did you know nominations/Make the World Move, somewhat like the Lewis Song one. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 13:40, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Partially discussing about me huh? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 18:11, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

URL extraction!
Can someone help me to extract the URL of the first PPT doc from here? --Tito Dutta (contact) 10:51, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Greetings Tito! ftp://ftp.ptcinfo.org/PTCTRG/midcarrierProgrammes/stp_PACO_MACP/Module_4/PPT/3.Mails.ppt there you go. That wasn't so difficult, was it? ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 11:37, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse ! I believe (as BTC said above) that you are looking for ftp://ftp.ptcinfo.org/PTCTRG/midcarrierProgrammes/stp_PACO_MACP/Module_4/PPT/3.Mails.ppt  Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 11:48, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * When you asked at Teahouse/Questions/Archive 103 I suggested to look at the html source of the Google search page. Have you tried that? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thank you very much! --Tito Dutta (contact) 13:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have tried that! View page source and selection source! Don't know how that helps! Clarification might be helpful! --Tito Dutta (contact) 13:52, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * In Firefox I use to view the source and then  to search the source for part of the url, for example ftp://ftp.ptcinfo.org/PTCTRG . This gives me a location with the whole url. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:27, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Good suggestion! --Tito Dutta (contact) 22:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

What to do about a bad article
There happens to be a article about a little town in the middle of nowhere. It is short and lacks information about what is in and around the town. I, living there noticed much of what it lacks but being young and under read about the town am not able to add much to it. Should I just add what I can and be done with it or should I try and get someone to help (even though I doubt many people know much about the place)? SmerkInYourEyes (talk) 22:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, young SmerkInYourEyes, and welcome to the tea house! Asking at User talk:Dr. Blofeld has often proven a way to find sourced information about obscure places, in my experience. (He has spies and satellites and god knows what else.) Worth a try. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome! I only add things if I have reliable sources (WP:Rs) for them. Maybe a librarian somewhere close to you could help you find some resources. For an idea of what a larger town article can develop into, see Blyth, Northumberland. It's a featured article (WP:Fa). It might give you a couple ideas or serve as a model for what is considered to be encyclopedia style here. Best wishes! Biosthmors (talk) 23:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Heya SmerkIn... One thing to remember is that, ideally, anything you add should be sourced to reliable sources. Two places to find reliable sources would be: 1) A local library or historical society.  Most places have a local historical society which exists to chronicle the history of a locality, and they likely have access to lots of sources not widely available, but still are quite reliable.  If the town itself doesn't have an historical society, perhaps the county it is in does.  2) Google Books is a great resource for old books.  I have found many things like Gazeteers and local encyclopedias which cover lots of obscure topics, all available freely online.  That's another good place to look.  I hope that helps! -- Jayron  32  23:28, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * http://archive.org/details/texts ... most of Google Books, and /much/ more. :) Revent (talk) 00:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Also http://www.hathitrust.org/ ... college library collections. Revent (talk) 00:20, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * If I got my facts right, a town is notable by default. You could start by revealing this town's name! :) ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 11:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It is called Rangely, Colorado. SmerkInYourEyes (talk) 14:28, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Book as secondary source
I-m working on a scientific article. Can I cite a book as secondary source? and its actually a french book (not sure if that counts). The thing is I dont have access to the papers that come in the book so...Thanks Sevendigits (talk) 21:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's perfectly fine to cite a book as source. A non-English book is fine too. The cite book template has a parameter for language that we use when it's not in English. — Mike moral  ♪♫  21:43, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Use http://www.theeuropeanlibrary.org/tel4/ to get the bibliographic info for the french book... Revent (talk) 04:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)