Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 109

User problem
This user DrKiernan (talk), seems to edit or attack anything I make on Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall's article, administrators please stop this user, it's been going on for a while now. (Monkelese (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Monkelese, welcome. This user is an admin, so you might be doing something wrong. You can ask him some explanation for what he has reverted your edits in his talk page. Hope this helps Miss Bono   (zootalk)  19:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * this administrator seems to have a problem with the living person and also me, which is why he attacks any editing i make on the article, weeks ago we solved this out but he seems to want to create an argument with me on Wikipedia so I would stop editing on wiki or be blocked...Can anyone else deal with this who's higher than him, it's been going on for far too long? (Monkelese (talk) 20:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC))
 * Try contactimg another admin who can be useful. Miss Bono   (zootalk)  20:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You and the other user are in violation of the three-revert rule (and it matters not at all that the other user is an administrator); this is a content dispute (now an edit war). I am going to give each of you a warning on of your talk pages. What I suggest is that you post to the talk page and ask for a Third opinion in order to start seeking consensus regarding the edit. No more back and forth reversions please.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Is my article appropriate?
I've just created and article in my user space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Isa-stewart/Issa_malluf

Issa Malluf is a musician from my home town, Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA.

When I discovered he didn't have an article written on Wikipedia I thought of giving it a try to write it myself. As there aren't very many resources available other than his personal website I am concerned that this source may not be enough to publish the page. I would also love feedback on how it is written!

Any tips warmly welcome, this is my first article.

Isa S. (talk) 19:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Isa, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that if there are few resources available apart from his personal website, he probably does not meet the requirement of notability, and so there may not at present be an article on him. Please see WP:MUSIC for an explanation of what we mean by 'notability' for a musician. --ColinFine (talk) 20:47, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

is Wikipedia suppose to be quick but inaccurate?
The reason that I ask this question is because I've recently made an edit where I thought I've made things more clear, however, depending on whose definition of clear you define, clear may not mean the same for every editor. The article is wiki and the part in question is where it fails to describe what wiki is. It currently says "A wiki is a website which allows people to add, modify, or delete the content via a web browser usually using a simplified markup language or a rich-text editor" This description is ambiguous and it sounds like it has more in common with cloud computing than anything else; so any website which allows users to modify its content is a wiki? That doesn't even begin to describe what a wiki is. Wiki is a Hawaiian word for "quick" or "fast" and it's a metonymy that describes certain websites (not just one website) and their functionalities. I question the choice of wording here too. Of course "people" are going to operate the thing, who else would it be? the user? The reason why this is of concern to me is because of the ambiguity of the root word "wiki". One could easily mistake wiki as an abbreviation for wikipedia for example.

RemyMCMXI (talk) 18:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your edits were reverted because you seem to be confused about the meaning of the word "wiki', there are many thousands of different websites that use the "wiki" method of collaborative construction, Wikipedia is merely one of them.Theroadislong (talk) 18:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

That's exactly my point, I've mentioned that wiki pertains to many websites and not one. So we both agree that wiki is not just one website, but many. I don't understand your point. RemyMCMXI (talk) 18:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your edit here added this...

"Wiki is an abbreviation for Wikipedia, which is a website that allows its users to add, modify, or delete its content" Which is clearly not correct?Theroadislong (talk) 18:29, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, what makes you say that the word "wiki" is used as a metonymy? A wiki isn't a part of a website, it is a website. It's the actual name of a certain kind of website. So, since it's a direct reference to the thing it describes, it's not a metonymy. Contrast to the common example of a synecdoche (a form of metonymy), wherein the use of the word "hands"  in the phrase "All hands on deck" metaphorically refers to the crewmembers themselves, not literally their hands.  The difference is that "hand" in a literal sense does not mean "crewmember", which is what makes it a metonymy, whereas a wiki is literally a website that is run a certain way. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Used as a metonymy? it is a metonymy. Metonymy are words. For example, wikipedia = metonymy for fast-encyclopedia (I'm guessing). Where did I say it was part of a website? Did you misread "pertain" or something? pertain does not equal to partial. Pertain means it belongs to a class of something else. RemyMCMXI (talk) 19:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you're misapplying the term "metonymy", then. "Wikipedia" isn't a metonymy, it's a name. Names aren't metonymy. The word "wiki" has its own meaning in Hawaiian, of course, but in English, it literally means "a collaborative website"; it's not a metonymy via the Hawaiian word, it's just the name of a kind of website, named after the Hawaiian word. In the same way, calling a computer mouse a "mouse" isn't a metonymy, it's just what the device is called called. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:21, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Context. NVM context, what does cloud computing have to do with wiki? --Onorem (talk) 19:20, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The current page regarding wiki (meaning "a collaborative website") fails to accurately disassociate itself from cloud computing, or anything else in which the means of the project requires collaborative work; which is a big part of cloud computing (if you do work) and that is why I used that as an example. The definition of wiki is vague, what is a collaborative website? - are forums a form of wiki? after all, they are a collaborative website. Do they have to use wiki software in order to qualify as a "wiki"? And how do I know that something is powered by wiki software? will it say it's powered by "wiki"? The current "wiki" page doesn't even state "collaborative website" when describing what wiki is, it just says "website", which makes it even more obscure. RemyMCMXI (talk) 21:20, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean names aren't metonymies? Your computer mouse is called a "mouse" because it looks similar to a real living mouse, hence it's a simile. It's also a Metonymy because a computer mouse is actually a "pointing device that functions by detecting two-dimensional motion relative to its supporting surface." Please help me understand your definition of metonymy. Metonymy means "change of name." If "a collaborative website" = wiki, then by definition, it's a metonymy because when you say wiki, you really mean "a collaborative website". RemyMCMXI (talk) 03:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi RemyMCMXI, I have seen some of the reverts and edits you are referring to. In nearly every case the reason for the revert/change was noted in an edit summary. If you disagree with the reasons that another editor has given you can open a discussion on the article's Talk page (or that editor's talk page) in an effort to achieve consensus. In the end consensus needs to be reached and you won't achieve it by attempting to convince another editor by what you write in an edit summary. I hope this is of some help to you. Please leave me a message at my talk page if you want to follow up. Happy editing ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   04:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Another one about templates
Hello again! Hope not being bothering so much. Is there any infobox for a dance group??  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  14:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Miss Bono. It appears not. I have looked at a number of articles on dance groups, and they all appear to use Infobox musical artist (BTW, Infobox dancer doesn't look like it would translate well for a group). As an example, see Diversity (dance troupe). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * So I can use Infobox musical artist as infobox for a dance group. Sorry if I misunderstood.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  14:21, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello again You could use Infobox musical artist or perhaps it is time to create Infobox dance group using Infobox as a base.  Are there enough notable dance groups on Wikipedia to employ such a new template?  I'm kind of busy this week, but could probably slap something together if I knew exactly what traits would need to be in such a box. Technical 13 (talk) 14:33, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Infobox ballet company might be adaptable for certain types of non-ballet groups. Deor (talk) 18:40, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Template
Where can I find a template that shows a message saying that an editor is working on an article and add it tho to the article page?? Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Miss Bono Is the article you are working on in your userspace? Or a current article? ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   13:30, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * a current article. EDUN  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sure other editors will have suggestions, but I believe  is suitable. ''' Flat Out    let's discuss it   13:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a variety of templates you could use. Under construction, In use, or even Working. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 14:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Logo of a Company
I want to upload a logo of a private company for placing it in the infofox of themain article. What Information and liscense should I use??  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I just uploaded it, because I read in Archive 106 a question like mine with an answer and I follow the stpes, but now the infobox doesn't want to shoe the image. See EDUN   Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:56, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

✅  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

How can I get my article in Wiki?
It's been more than 2 weeks now and my article is still not on in WIki and it has been reviewed by several people. Could you be so kind to take a look at it: Errol Sawyer Fred Bokker (talk) 10:28, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for asking the question! I could not see anywhere that you have submitted it for creation.  See the page WP:AFC or as it says on that page "To nominate an existing draft or user sandbox to Articles for Creation, add to the top:  ". Regards, Ariconte (talk) 11:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, there's a little issue we need to clear up first. There are two slightly different versions of the draft, one is on your user page and the other is on your sandbox page. You need to decide which of them you want to submit for approval (using the procedure described above by Ariconte) and then you should delete the other one by placing on that page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Fred Bokker, I had initially made some comments on your draft at the user page, but after Roger (Dodger67) found the second version, which has more recent edits, I have moved my feedback to this Talk page. I hope it helps you prepare your article for submission and please feel free to ask any further questions you might have. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   11:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. This is really very helpful as I had already the feeling I was doing everything twice!!! How stupid I can be! Of course I want the latest version to be submitted for approval. Now how do I proceed? This is really very confusing to me. Now the article in my sandbox is the most recent so I ad on the top ? Just to be sure. Thank you very much for your help.Fred Bokker (talk) 11:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Your article has been submitted for approval and moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Errol Sawyer by Rankersbo who has also moved your old version to User:Fred Bokker/Errol Sawyer (draft) if you need any of the information on it. Please see the comments I left for you at User talk:Fred Bokker which are my thoughts on improving the article. ''' Flat Out    let's discuss it   12:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. I followed up on your good advise but I realize that almost all the references can be found in the book City Mosaic of Errol Sawyer. There is an introduction and 2 essays written in it. Can't I just put this book as the maim source of information?Fred Bokker 12:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I will answer at your talk page ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   13:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Review Article
Hi everbody, I would like to post my first article somewhere, so that the article could be reviewed before I publish it.Could you tell me how to do it? Many thanks, --MichelleLily14 (talk) 07:11, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Michelle. You'll find a link for creating an article for review at WP:AFC. I would recommend that you read WP:Your first article first. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:21, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I see that you have created a draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sensile Medical. If you want to submit it for review, click the link saying "Submit the page!" in the box at the top of your draft page. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:27, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the warm Welcome. I read those articles, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to create the page (honestly :) ). I already submitted it once for creation but it was deleted. To prevent that the same happens again I would like to have it reviewed by more experienced members. Like this forum here helps me with my questions, I like a forum where I can post my article for kind of a pre-check. --MichelleLily14 (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

How can I create a Wikipedia link to another page?
Hello Teahouse, I am creating a Talk in Chinese and would like to link to another page with the same topic but in English. How should I do that? Also it is quite strange that, at the beginning of the talk, my name displays.

Thanks.

Jnpengfei (talk) 05:11, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Jnpengfei, welcome to the Teahouse. Do I understand correctly that you want to refer from another language version of Wikipedia to a page in English Wikipedia? If so, you put :en: ahead of the full name of the English Wikipedia page. So for example your user page is en:User:Jnpengfei. More generally see Help:Interlanguage links. —teb728 t c 05:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * teb728 is correct you need to add the language prefix, so for a link to an English article you ad :en: like this,  - hope this helps ''' Flat Out    let's discuss it   05:48, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see I overlooked your comment about your name at the beginning of talk; sorry about that. The explanation is that every user has their own talk page. The one with your name at the top is your talk page which is for other users to send you messages. So when I finish posting this reply, I will go to your talk page and leave you a message that there is a reply. I have a talk page too, User talk:TEB728, which has my username at the top; people use it to send me messages. Actually all pages on Wikipedia have talk pages. For example the Teahouse's talk page is Wikipedia talk:Teahouse; it is for discussing the Teahouse. —teb728 t c 09:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Photos & Live chat?
First, how do you add a picture? And secondly, I can't figure out how to talk in live chat. I can't find where to respond?I'm new to this and want to learn more!Mixaplic (talk) 04:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Mixaplic, welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Files for how to upload and use pictures. (I'll leave your question about live chat for someone else.) —teb728 t c 05:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I figured out the live chat and thnx for your help and the welcome!Mixaplic (talk) 08:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

New user User:Douye' in need of help
An up-and-coming singer/songwriter with music to sell on iTunes and amazon.com and a new album to promote has made her first edit here. Anyone interested in engaging her? Note that the account might actually be controlled by a publicist or agent rather than the actual artist. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 13:53, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi DanielPenfield and welcome. I will engage with Douye' and see if I can help them, though it appears they may be here for promotional reasons only. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   14:02, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at WP:UPANDCOMING, it contains good advice on dealing with such articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Roger (Dodger67), that is helpful advice. Thanks ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

How do I find out why my article was rejected?
I had a heads up from a contributor that my article would probably be rejected for several reasons. One was because it used a questionable primary source: an obituary. And the person named was not particularly famous though her work had been recognized by her peers. Additionally she had a tremendous impact on modern day Texas even though her contribution occurred more than 63 years ago.Dfwenigma 22:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Dfwenigma. At the top of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Minnie Stevens Piper is a pink box stating "Submission declined..." and the reason provided by the reviewer for why they did so. Since that is manifest when you view the page, I suspect that you may not have known how to get back to the proposed article you posted. If so, when you look at the top of any page here you should see a link that says "contributions". If you click on that you will see your past edits, and thereby should be able to easily locate the submission. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)
 * Hello Dfwenigma, and welcome to the Teahouse. A Wikipedia article should be based on what the reliable, independent sources say about the topic. A topic is considered notable if it has received significant coverage in such sources. You can't speculate or guess in a Wikipedia article. Your draft article has a number of problems. Although it seems that she was a wonderful person, you have not yet shown that she was notable, as Wikipedia defines that term. So, I would concentrate on finding coverage in high quality sources, and remove poor quality sources, and any speculative statements for the draft. And then resubmit it. Good luck!  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  22:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

References/ Footnotes
Hi,

I just had my submission rejected for not using footnotes to reference my article, but previous to this I was rejected for having too many references in there. I am confused as to the middle ground I should be aiming for!

My submission is regarding the music producer L.A. Jay, who produced for Motown Records and Delicious Vinyl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/L.A._Jay

Help!

Alice.

149.241.118.17 (talk) 21:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Alice, and welcome to the Teahouse. The issue isn't the number of the references, but primarily, the quality of the references, and secondarily, how they are presented. Notability on Wikipedia means that the topic has received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Let's go through that. "Significant" means that there is in depth coverage of the topic, not just a passing mention. "Reliable" means that the source has professional editorial control, and a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. Blogs and social media rarely meet the standard of being reliable. "Independent" means that the source doesn't have any business or personal connection to the topic. A person's own website isn't independent, and in the case of a record producer, neither are the websites of associated record companies or artists. They all have a stake in each other's success. Ask yourself, which of these references meet those standards, and that is the skeleton of your article. You can use other sources on a limited basis for non-controversial facts. Your references should be presented within the body of the text, to verify the various claims. So, for example, if you wrote that a producer won a Grammy in 2004 for a certain album, then your reference might be a newspaper article about the Grammys that mentions that award, and you would place the reference in the body of the article right after the statement about the award. Bare URLs are not preferred. Instead, the URL should link to the title, and all the details of the reference should be there for anyone to see: Website name, author, date published, and so on. You may want to read Refrencing for beginners.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  22:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I need some colour help
Here I want the yellow a little bit as the yellow in the flag of Ethiopia.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  18:21, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello again and welcome.  According to Instant Eyedropper v1.75, the yellow color in that flag is .  Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 18:32, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I am killing myself trying to find where is the yellow #color to change it :( and I can't find it.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  18:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Technical 13 named and used the color in his post so that you would know what it was. It's #FCDD09. Not all colors have normal names like "LightYellow" or "Goldenrod" (there are so many gradations that that wouldn't be feasible) but are named using codes. See Web colors. Or am I misunderstanding what you're asking?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * , if you are trying to change the color that I set that is yellow, it is actually not on that page but instead transcluded from a sub-page (WikiProject_Ethiopia/box-header). Technical 13 (talk) 18:55, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. I think there should be a subpage like that one for the background because I have to change the colour in every page of the header. hard work. what do you suggest?  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  19:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * , I'm not sure what you are asking... I only had to edit two pages to change all of the colors on that WikiProject's page. Technical 13 (talk) 19:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Click this and you'll know what I mean. Also  this..  the red background...
 * Yeah, that project's site isn't very well put together, I'll grant you that. If you would like me to go through and clean it up and fix it, I'd be happy to, but it would be on the bottom of an ever growing lists of things that I am wanted to get done.  If you want to do it yourself, I would be happy to try and guide you.  Based on the way they are currently doing it, it would be prudent for you to read up on some of the "how wikipedia works in the background" documentation that I'm not sure you are familiar with.  The first big one that comes to mind is WP:TRANSCLUDE which teaches and shows how content on one page can be recycled on other pages and is the basis upon which templates work.  I encourage you to take your time and read through that page (it took me almost a full week personally to absorb and truly understand how it works, mostly) and remember that there is no deadline on this project. We can continue your instruction for this project on your talk page or mine, it does not matter to me as long as it is one or the other (I hate trying to track multiple conversations about the same thing). :) Technical 13 (talk) 19:36, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll take your word in that no deadline thing. I would like to work along with you in that, but slowly cause i am studying for an exam to get into college this year which is pretty ahrd for me since is a Math test, and I hate it.   Miss Bono   (zootalk)  19:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Page with Little Castle
Hello, hello. Where can I find that page someone told me about once that teach how to edit my user page. Can't remeber the name <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive">  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  17:28, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Miss Bono. You're looking for the User page design center. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * .Thank ya!! :P sorry for the bother with that silly question :( <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  17:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ,  Technical 13 (talk) 19:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Seconded. (Sidenote: What really drive me nuts is when I see other parents telling their children to be quiet when they ask questions).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:11, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

problem with authority control ULAN
template is generating wrong output for some ULAN numbers. the template appears to be ok but generated output doesn;t correspond. Appears to be some sort of corruption in database or Parsing routine has bug in it. example of wrong output - Maria Sibylla Merian. Have posted note under authority control (talk) but not sure if this will bring it to attention of anyone with knowledge to resolve problem? Richard Bruce Bradford (talk) 16:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC) Problem seems to have been fixed already. Richard Bruce Bradford (talk) 16:33, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 17:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Paid editing, COI investigation!
Do we have any noticeboard to study/check COI/Paid editing? --Tito Dutta (contact) 10:14, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Moved to top so question isn't missed ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello User:Titodutta, WP:COIN maybe? --Glaisher (talk) 10:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tito Dutta! Glaisher is correct - your best bet is the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard if you wish to raise a possible conflict of interest. However, if you are seeking assistance, there is also WP:WikiProject Cooperation, which helps check articles, and WikiProject Integrity which is looking at the issue of paid editing. - Bilby (talk) 10:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Copying from foreign language wikis
Hi,

I'm wondering is it ok to pretty much copy word for word from foreign language wikis? For example, i want to work on improving the quality of articles on French football teams (I follow French football, long story) on en.wiki and the fr.wiki articles on these teams are brilliant.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanmcdyer (talk • contribs) 09:53, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Ryanmcdyer, English Wikipedia is only for English language articles, not other languages. If what you mean is translating the article from word to word, then it is fine. However, if you are going to copy the whole page from French Wikipedia, then it is not correct. Also when you translate it, please do add the references as you can use other language references too. Also see WP:TRANSLATE. --Glaisher (talk) 10:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * User:Glaisher yeah thats what I mean, translating it across into English. Just nice to get some clarification on this, thanks! :)


 * No problem :D --Glaisher (talk) 10:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Ryanmcdyer. This is a great question and the ramification is huge:  imagine if someday, every article in every language were translated to every other language! I wanted to add a reminder about attribution.  If you translate from the fr wiki, state that in the edit summary and add Translated page to the article talkpage. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:31, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Please take a really good look at Translation which briefly describes the proper procedures applicable here on the English Wikipedia. The French Wikipedia also has guidance at fr:Projet:Traduction. We look forward to seeing your work. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The lead section of this article may need to be rewritten query
My article is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vatikiotis

At the top of my article it states "The lead section of this article may need to be rewritten. Please discuss this issue on the talk page and read the layout guide to make sure the section will be inclusive of all essential details. (April 2013)"

I have had a number of experts look at the article and suggest and recommend changes. They have all said that the article is fine now, but the above comment is still showing. How do i remove this? Thanks Mike Michaelleach (talk) 09:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * When you are confident all the issues raised by reviewers have been resolved, edit the article and delete the template  from the very top of the article. ''' Flat Out    let's discuss it   09:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Michaelleach. If you have fixed the issue, then feel free to remove the tag yourself. You can get rid off it by removing at the top of the page. But please don't remove it, if the issue has not been fixed. --Glaisher (talk) 09:59, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I have had a couple of experts review the article make a small change and then confirm the article was ok. So I have taken your advice and removed the comment. Thanks for the help. Mike Michaelleach (talk) 10:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Page nominated for deletion
Am trying to create an article for Sixthsense Publications. The information that I have updated is correct. Yet the page is not approved. Why? Prodigypk86 (talk) 09:10, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Prodigypk86, the article Sixthsense publications has been nominated for deletion because the company doesn't seem to be notable, there are concerns that the article is purely promotional, and because there are no reliable sources. Seeing that your first edit was to create this article and that you have added the company website to other articles suggests you have come to promote the company. I am more than happy to help you further and you can ask me questions on my talk page. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:23, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There are some really good books published by Sixthsense and 3 of the books written by Gobinath are topping their bestsellers list. It was only appropriate to give them the due credit...if you want any authorization..I shall provide the same.Kindly let me know the supporting facts or details that you wantProdigypk86 (talk) 09:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe I can update on information that I am sure about and am doing it in the best of interest of the audience.09:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not exist for people to advertise businesses. It is your responsibility to make the article compliant with WP:NOTE and WP:RS. Because you are creating spam citations for Sixthsense in other articles I have warned you for spamming. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Fine...now that you have removed my tags..am not going to link them again....any other suggestions?

Prodigypk86 (talk) 10:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The only way that the article can be saved is if somebody can find multiple reliable sources, independent of Sixthsense, which have written about Sixthsense, and cite them in the article. No unreferenced information, and no information from Sixthsense or a source close to it will be adequate to demonstrate that it meets Wikipedia's criterion for notability. Finding such references may still not be sufficient to save the article, but is certainly necessary to do so. --ColinFine (talk) 16:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

When can I remove the delete tag?
I have recently created a talk. But in spite of the supporting external links the delete announcement wont go. How should I wait for this? lolakshiLolakshi (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Lolakshi, are you referring to Brammarajan ? If so you still have plenty of time to provide reliable sources in the correct format. Once that is done you can remove the prod blp template. I will spend some time on the article later and see if I can help improve it for you. Please do not hesitate to ask for additional help. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   06:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have done some work on Brammarajan and removed the prod BLP template. There is still some work to do and I have left a message for you at your talk page. Good luck ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   06:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Duplicate articles
Hi, I think the Marja (Akhbari) is about the same subject as Marja. Both are about the Shia authority. Should these be merged and how?

Thanks :) WikiSurfChick (talk) 00:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse! It seems that Marja is a disambiguation page and Marja (Akhbair) is an actual article, so they can't be the same. However, if you do encounter a duplicate article, the best thing to do is add a to the top of the page. King  Jakob  C2 01:10, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think WikiSurfChick meant Marja (Akhbari) and Marja', which do appear to be about the same topic. Since the latter is the better developed article and the former has no sources whatsoever, I'd just redirect Marja (Akhbari) to Marja'. Deor (talk) 02:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did mean Marja'. Thank you,Deor & Jakob. I will create a redirect. WikiSurfChick (talk) 15:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Cite Journal and Images
Hello teahouse, I have two questions:

1) Why are there so few images on Wikipedia? A picture speaks a thousand words, and yet I've come across just a handful. 2) When citing a journal, what to do if there is no DOI, PMID or URL? It's a magazine from the 1970s.

Thank you

Wordcraft (talk) 04:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for coming to the Teahouse! So few images - because people have not uploaded them! but there are still lots here and in commons.... When citing a journal just put in as much information as you know.  Regards, Ariconte (talk) 04:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Wordcraft, the other reason there are fewer images than you might be expecting is that Wikipedia is striving to build a free encyclopedia where all the content is free. In relation to images that means it is preferred that images are either out of copyright (in the US - where wikipedia servers are hosted) or are in the public domain.  Most images are copyrighted to someone and it's trying to find images that aren't copyrighted that is the reason for the "shortage". NtheP (talk) 09:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The answer to the second question is that all is necessary is enough information for the interested reader to be able to find the reference. If it has none of these standard identifiers, don't give them: as long as the title, volume, date etc are given in the traditional manner. You may find the citation templates such as Template:cite journal helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 16:33, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Wordcraft. Actually, copyrighted images may be used. In a very limited number of cases, fair use lets us use them but doesn't allow for reproduction of images when people reproduce our content. In other cases, the person or company holding the copyright may grant permission to allow the images to be used, but then the copyright holder loses a lot of rights (if the image is free, the copyright holder couldn't easily use it to make money) and control over how the image may be used (it could be used by anyone for anything). So that permission is hard to get.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:38, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikilinks in references
In the reflist of 2012 Summer Olympics Parade of Nations there are many refs in which the source is enclosed in a wikilink such as China Daily Europe (ref 46) where the page does not exist. In many other articles this is not done, even if the page does exist, e.g. we don't see BBC News in the refs in a wikilink. Before I go ahead and remove all these links (which are, as I see it, unnecessary), could someone please advise me if I'm on good ground. I couldn't find anything that quite explained it in the WP pages. Jodosma (talk) 17:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you're good. That always annoys me too. There are different philosophies on redlinks, but citational redlinks can be detrimental to an article, not just annoying. Go ahead, and if you get challenged, I'll be glad to back you up. <span style="font-variant: small-caps; font:1.25em,Geneva; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af; font-color:teal">TheOneSean [ U &#124; T &#124; C ] 18:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse !! Honestly, Wikipedia is not a reliable source even on Wikipedia.  So, there should be 0 wikilinks used as references anyways.  That being said, perhaps in the process of removing all of the wikilinks used as references, you could go to the page referenced and see if any of those references might make suitable replacement references without being circular. Technical 13 (talk) 19:14, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * To clarify, Wikipedia articles themselves should never be used as references. But if I cite a specific article by title, published on a specific date in  The Plain Dealer in Cleveland, then it is OK to wikilink within the reference as I've done here. The wikilinked articles aren't references, but just provide further information about the reliable source and the city where it is published. It is the original newspaper article that is the reference. Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  19:26, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys, I think I can go ahead now. I'll remove all the redlinks, which serve no purpose, and leave the bluelinks wherever they provide useful info. After all, it's a simple matter to cut and paste into the search box if you really want to know more about the source. Jodosma (talk) 20:41, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I must disagree with Jodosma's action because I have done what he/she is trying to correct. Technical, you misinterpreted what Jodosma was trying to explain. The redlinks were not actual references, but rather Wikilinks to the articles that should explain what the references are. It is important to have articles on these sources in order to determine whether the sources are reliable. The problem, of course, is that in order to correct the redlink problem, someone has to write the articles, if the sources are, in fact, entitled to Wikipedia articles. I'm not prepared to do that today. But it's easy to go back and revert what Jodosma did should anyone be willing to do that. It might be possible to create stub articles to get around the problem and then take the time to do real research later.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 15:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I side with Vchimpanzee on this matter. Redlinks are a useful tool for content creators. Deleting them is 99% an aesthetic issue. Without them, how would we know what pages are needed..? Keri (talk) 17:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I could have done this much at home. It appears a lot of these red links could have been blue links if only they had been typed correctly or piped. The references do not have the exact name of the Wikipedia article, but the articles are there.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 16:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Getting Started

 * I forgot how to get to the getting started page... It no longer shows up automatically and I can't seem to find it. Who can point me in the right direction? Ilya devers (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume you mean Special:GettingStarted. You can find it by clicking on "special pages" in the toolbox section of the left bar. Next time when you have a question please remember to start a new section. Have fun!  Mohamed CJ  (talk)  09:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

That is the one! thanks. Will remember new section! Thanks. Ilya devers (talk) 20:12, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

In-text reference question
In APA style this in-text citation would be required ....Arrington, Dagenbach, McCartan, & Carr (2000, as cited in Chen, 2012[9]:1) ..... when one is referencing an unseen report (Arrington, etc, 2000) that was cited by someone else whom you are citing (Chen, 2012). 1. Is any of this information to appear in the Wiki text? 2. How is the reference composed to reflect the above situation? As in APA the details concerning Arrington, etc., would not appear in the reference list; only the details concerning Chen, 2012. Thanks, PilgrimB (talk) 06:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

denied submission for a new page
ive tried to create a page for our company, and it was denied. im having an issue understanding what the problem was and why it was denied and would love an update. page name: LocalResponse LocalResponse (talk) 18:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Same with mine except I'm still waiting for my second review. Ellgee24 (talk) 19:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I need more information to help either of you. What was the reason given to you for deletion? Also it would be helpful if you could give me the contents of the article. If it was lacking any citations that may have been why. Pug6666 19:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to assume that it was declined due to a lack of neutrality from someone with an obvious conflict of interest, a username in violation of the username policy, and the article was likely considered ambiguous advertising. Now, I'll digress here because I can't see my NIBBLEy response here from becoming anything less than BITEy if I continue. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 19:32, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * From a quick look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Brayton Purcell, LLP, apart from the referencing issues, it reads like an advert for the firm, and that is not appropriate for Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 19:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I have reviewed your article and left a comment, Ellgee. Please read my comment before I review again. Thank you!  AppleJack7  Dear Princess Celestia...   00:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Vimeo video on Wiki page
Hi -

I've been searching for step-by-step instructions on how to put a Vimeo video onto a wiki page. I'm very new to creating pages so I don't have any experience with wikipedia.

I've checked out the MediaWiki Widgets page, where it gives me a bunch of information and code. I was pretty sure I didn't have the Widget extension so I downloaded that as a zip file. Then, I was directed to the installation process at Extension:Widgets and got lost. The Widget:Vimeo page wants me to copy the entire source of that page and put that onto my wiki... BASICALLY, I'm referred to several pages telling me to download and copy things. I don't know where to put them exactly, and/or they are showing up wrong on my page.

Does this make any sense? Can anyone explain how to set this up?

Thanks!! wikinoobEllgee24 (talk) 18:32, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse . I'm fairly familiar with the mw:Extension:Widget and am actually an administrator on the Widget dedicated wiki (http://mediawikiwidgets.org). Are you looking to put this widget / video on Wikipedia or on another wiki? Technical 13 (talk) 19:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi there! Yes, I'm looking to put that vimeo video onto my wiki page. I'm in the process of having my page be reviewed too. I figured I'd try and add the video before it gets reviewed though. Hopefully it works! Ellgee24 (talk) 20:16, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If I'm understanding you correctly, I'm afraid I have some bad news that en.wikipedia does not have the Widget extension installed and therefor you will not be able to use that widget. It may be possible for you to convert your video to an .ogg format and upload it as a regular video and use it however.  You may wish to head over the the technical village pump forum to find instructions on how to do that though as I do not know off the top of my head.  If you are having difficulties communicating what you would like to accomplish, I would be happy to clarify for you there.  That being said, video's are rare on wikipedia for a reason, you may find it wise to just forget that idea for now or upload your video to youtube and link to it.  Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Technical 13. I don't know how to respond to your comment other than clicking on the "join this discussion", so sorry if I can't get my comment to have an indent like yours. Hmm, looks like that's probably the reason why I'm stuck. Okay, well for now I will leave this idea. It was worth asking :P Thanks for the suggestions and advice! Ellgee24 (talk) 21:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Picture
I am looking for a photograph shot by Annie Leibovitz where Ali Hewson and Bono appeared wearing EDUN in a Louis Vuitton campaign. I am working in EDUN's article and I need that picture to illustrate a topic, so, if one of you can find it and upload it under the same licence that the picture here also an Annie Leibovitz photograph. Can you help me?? <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  17:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome back to the Teahouse, Miss Bono. The two situations are not comparable. The article More Demi Moore is about the photo and magazine cover itself. Therefore under Fair use, we can use a low-resolution version of that image to illustrate the article. There is no other alternative to illustrate that topic.


 * On the other hand, there is no important need to have an Annie Liebovitz photo illustrating EDUN. We already have the company logo. An editor could take a photo of their company headquarters or an event to further illustrate the article. There are many other possibilities. Fair use simply doesn't apply here, I am afraid.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  18:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok... I though it would be good to have a picture in that section that talks about the publicity made by Bono and Ali for Loui Vuitton. No problem. I like the idea for the low-resolution if that image...<span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  19:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Because Wikipedia places such a high emphasis on careful compliance with copyright law, it is an unfortunate but true fact that images we might like to add to a certain article just aren't available with the proper free license. An alternative that often works is to add an external link at the end of an article that contains high quality photos related to the topic. As long as the external website is not excessively promotional, this can allow the interested reader to see some photos that more fully illustrate the topic. See WP:EL for more information.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  06:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Edits of Wiki article rejected without explanation
I recently updated the article about Marfa Lights. Some named APL from an organization called Fringe Theories said he didn't like the new version, but gave no specific reasons. He then restored the original version. How do I get some form of arbitration? Bigbender9 (talk) 13:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Bigbender9, welcome to the Teahouse. According to the Revision history of Marfa lights, User:APL has not edited the article since your recent string of edits. WP:Fringe theories is not an organization, it is a Wikipedia Content Guideline, which would be a good idea for you to read. On your Talk page you have been notified that there is a discussion at the Fringe theories/Noticeboard that you may be interested in, whether it is specifically related to the Marfa lights article or not is unfortunately not specified in the notice on your talk page. I hope this helps clarify things for you. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi! When you make changes to an article you should use reliable sources and cite them in line. If an editor rejects your changes, and reverts (i.e me), you should discuss the issue on the talk page. A discussion has already been opened here: Talk:Marfa_lights where we can discuss your changes. If you click on the view history tab beside the edit tab, you can look at the reason I provided in my edit summary. IRWolfie- (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not restore the original version.
 * I considered it, but wasn't sure it was the right thing to do, so I brought it up at the noticeboard in the hopes that someone wiser than me would handle it. APL (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Action throttled
What does this mean??? I can't send any email :( "As an anti-spam measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes."<span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive">  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi again Miss Bono, some features such as rollback have limits to stop them being abused, and in the case of email to prevent a user spamming. It just means you have exceeded the number of emails in a time period and you have to wait before you can email again. There will be someone who knows the detail better than I do regarding how many emails you can send over what timeframe. Hope this helps ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * and how long?? I mean I am seeing this sinces yesterday afternoon and it says "Please try again in a few minutes"<span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive">  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't know but I'm sure someone will be along with the answer shortly :) ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: it may be that you reached the allowed number of emails in a 24 hour period. Have 24 hours expired since your Action was Throttled? ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   12:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. So I have to wait 24 hours?? Oh my! :O<span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse.  So far all I've found is mw:Manual:Edit throttling and despite my attempts I've been unable to find what the settings for number of edits/emails in what time frames are currently set.  I'll do a little more digging... Technical 13 (talk) 12:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * On User access levels, there is a table and you can see that there is a right called <tt>noratelimit</tt> that will allow you to skip all throttling. The right is granted to users in the bot, administrator, bureaucrat, account creator, and global rollbacker user groups.  You could request temporary Account Creator or Bot permissions to send the rest of your emails and any administrator or bureaucrat could grant that if you demonstrated to them a legitimate use.  I've still not found what the limits are set at though... Still looking. Technical 13 (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I quite don't understand. Permission for Confirmed and Autoconfirmed users are denied for that noratelimit action <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive">  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Miss Bono, why do you want to send that many emails, and how many emails are you exactly trying to send? Sending emails should generally be a quite rare event. On a wiki the "normal" means of communicating is through editing talk pages. Is that an option for you? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay after a visit to the IRC channel and review of enwiki's configuration settings file... you can only send 20 emails per day (a day is defined as 86,400 seconds OR 1,440 minutes OR 24 hours...) . You do realize that after the first email you send someone, if they have replied it is best to email them directly with your email service and skip going through wikipedia's email this user link, right? ;) Technical 13 (talk) 13:28, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * yeah, i realize that but I can't reply using my email service because I have not access to it before 5:00pm here.
 * As for the response to Martijn Hoekstra, I am tryint to comunicate with a user that cannot access wikipedia right now and I need to confirm something important and that cannot be plcaed in a talk page for everybody. <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well if said user replies to you, you should move on from there to use contact them directly given said reply will provide you with their email address :)  Snowolf How can I help? 13:40, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that. <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive">  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  13:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Then why are you emailing somebody 20 times before they reply to you? ...  Snowolf How can I help? 13:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What makes you certain they haven't replied? I wasn't aware of that being part of the throttling limit and might consider it to be a bad faith assumption to assume that.  Anyways... Technical 13 (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I email the user yesterday when he was available here on Wikipedia, so he replied in his talk page. I keep on emailing hime since the matter I had to discuss was private. (but the only way he could reply to me was via wikipedia for the reason I explained above) <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  14:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey! how the email is working again??? <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  16:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Apparently the answer to my other question that couldn't be answered on IRC is that the 24 hour timer starts from the time the first email is sent an it is a rolling timer. This is good to know, and the way I think it should be. :) Technical 13 (talk) 16:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Technical 13 by the way you have a message in your talk page from me. <span style="font-family:'linux libertine o, times',cursive">  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  16:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

IPA ц into English
I have added an IPA pronunciation to the town name in the Sečovce article. The closest i can come up with is ( IPAc-en|s|ɛ|'|tʃ|oʊ|t|s|ɛ )  (se CHO tseh). The question i have is with the “ts” phoneme (“ц” like the beginning of “tsar”). I have copied the “t͡s” character directly from the Voiceless alveolar affricate page (as well as from the Help:IPA for Russianpage), into the IPAc-en template to represent this sound, but i keep getting an error. Is there a better way to represent this than “t|s|e” ? BeadleB (talk) 08:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Teahouse, and welcome to the BeadleB. The template responsible for the message seems to be H:IPA; it contains no English approximation of "t͡s", and therefore displays an error. You can add one if you want to, though I doubt that you could find anything better than the separate "t" and "s". Keφr 17:28, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added "ts" to the template, since it's a fairly commons sound outside of English. I gave the example 'ts' as in 'hats', but maybe 'zz' as in 'pizza' would be better? -- Ypnypn (talk) 03:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC)