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Barry Sherman
Barry C. Sherman - Biography. redirected from Bernard Sherman. In the Contents 5.2 lists possible suspects. I have submitted vital information along with the CBC News Network's participation in naming the 2 suspects. The Investigation has not yet replied to my request for verification in order for eligibility of a reward offered by the Sherman family. Longel (talk) 03:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Is there a question here about editing or otherwise using Wikipedia? This appears to be the only edit you've made on this account. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . This is about Barry Sherman, the Canadian billionaire who was murdered along with his wife in 2017. We cannot include any tips you may have given until this is reported on by reliable, published sources. Feel free to propose improvements to the article at Talk: Barry Sherman. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  04:49, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Information given to the police does not count as being published, hence cannot be a reference, hence you cannot add to the article your belief that you know who committed the murders. This has nothing to do with your psychic expertise or certification (a concept I find implausible). Wikipedia insists on publication in reliable sources for verification. David notMD (talk) 03:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Help me with these refs
Can someone help me with these 2 refs I added here on the Ellisburg Circle page? One of the refs I added are PFD files and I don't know where to find the template for PFD files and the other one has a wrong date (but it was made in 1991). And what do I do when I add names with 2 people that wrote it? On this ref, it has 2 people who wrote the article, so I just put "Petty and Reuters" for the last name part and "Martin and John O'Callaghan' for the first name part. 🎧⋆JennilyW♡🎶 (talk) 02:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed the date thing and the two names thing and left an explanation on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 03:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * By "PFD" I suppose you mean "PDF"; these need no special treatment. If the authors are Martin Petty, John O'Callahan and Reuters, then "first1=Martin | last1=Petty | first2=John | last2=O'Callahan | author3=Reuters". (See Template:Cite web/doc.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Jalaledin Moayerian
My submitted draft as "Jalaledin Moayerian" is rejected. May I request a discussion about the reasons for rejection.Aria Moayerian (talk) 21:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Aria Moayerian (talk) 21:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, this is about Draft:Jalaledin Moayerian if it is a discussion that you desire then going to the AFC HELPDESK is a good idea. I should however note that it has been rejected by a veteran afc editor and a discussion with them should prove more helpful it is unlikely that a “discussion” on other venues would give a different verdict. Celestina007 (talk) 21:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Thanks for your advice! Aria Moayerian (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries i’m merely carrying out duties I pledged to. Celestina007 (talk) 21:48, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Celestina007 - I advised User:Aria Moayerian to ask for advice here. They wanted advice as to what changes they could make to the draft that would make it acceptable, and I am not interested in assisting an editor with a conflict of interest.  They also asked whether they should change their account name so as not to have the same surname as the article subject, and so to avoid being flagged as having a conflict of interest.  I did not respond favorably to that question.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Does anyone have any advice for this editor? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism
On the article of Pope Leo I, I noticed an edit by user Brendanrettig123 that may be vandalism. An earlier edit by the same user on the same page was reverted.

Can I just restore the original content ? The content does not have a valid citation, so I cannot be sure what data is actually correct. -- Kwakeroni (talk) 08:29, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Vandalism is actually quite narrowly defined - only intentional damage to a page is actually vandalism. An unexplained edit such as this will have to be checked against the available source(s). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:57, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * His earlier edit, a clear improvement to the article, was reverted without explanation. Maproom (talk) 09:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call adding a spelling error an improvement (or were you being ironic ?) Anyway, I'll see if I can find any sources for this -- Kwakeroni (talk) 06:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Not ironic, just incompetent. My bad. Maproom (talk) 06:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Review
On my watchlist I have an entry that says:

Page curation log 02:47 Discospinster talk contribs marked Kill James Bond as reviewed ‎ Tag: PageTriage)

When I go to Kill James Bond or its talk page I don't see anything indcating that it was review. what is this specific review process. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Most of the process is explained at New pages patrol, . Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * would it be appropriate to open an AfD for the article after it got reviewed by new page patrol. I realized retrosepctively that I've actually litstened to the podcaster's youtube channel quite a bit and I would consider myself a fan, but I still don't see how it passes WP:GNG. Maybe I'll reach out to the new editor and look into merging the article instead, but in general is it ever appropriate to open an AfD when it's been reviewed by page patrol? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert on AfD but I think that any article can be nominated. I do know that some reviewers accept articles that they believe have a 50% chance of surviving the AfD process. Make sure you follow all the correct procedures, . Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Help me with Russian ROC flag and template hyperlink
Hi, can someone advice me on how to hyperlink the russian ioc flag for olympics for russian womens' handball team. I cloudn't get it to work. I also have some formatting issue as I can't remove the ROC word without removing the ROC flag. The page concerned is the handball section for France at the 2020 Summer Olympics(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics). Thank you!! Atom105 (talk) 06:12, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. I used  - X201 (talk) 11:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced statements about living people: non-biographies
Should unsourced, and seemingly negative statements about named people, be treated as described in the WP:BLP policies, even if the material occurs in non-biographical articles? My feeling is that they would be, but I would like confirmation, if possible, please. Thanks. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 13:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC) 49.177.69.7 (talk) 13:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, in my rushed reading I managed to miss this: This policy applies to any living person mentioned in a BLP, whether or not that person is the subject of the article, and to material about living persons in other articles and on other pages, including talk pages., right at the top! Sheesh: sorry, answered own question. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 13:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

new topic
hello! i accidently worte a topic as an english one but i want it to be on another language. how can i change it wothout override the link and etc? TomerYakirStein (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's a list of all the different Wikipedia's, choose the correct one and copy and paste your text from here to there, but remember to check the linking etc in your article. - X201 (talk) 13:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse of the English Wikipedia. Please go to the Wikipedia home page and select your language from the dropdown list.--Shantavira|feed me 13:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is as far as I know, no way to move material from one Wikipedia to another edition. I think you will need to "Edit/Edit source" the English article (to get at the source), copy the source, and then paste it into an article Hebrw Wikipedia. Remember that, to comply with the licence, you must say (probably in your edit summary) where you copied it from: see WP:copying within Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 13:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

How to find vandalism?
How to find signs of vandalism on a page? IndoUniverse88 (talk) 12:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse . There are some suggestions at WP:SPOTVAN. Thanks for wanting to help.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:37, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Unclear rejection for lack of notability
My question is about the following article, that I submitted a few months ago and was recently rejected due to lack of notability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nsynth_Super

So I checked the comment from the rejector and the notability guidelines here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability

I really struggle to understand the reason behind the rejection, as the article cites mostly independent sources, music authors and peer-reviewed papers which have nothing to do with the manufacturer of the instrument. It has been significantly covered by some of the main music online magazines and general press, it seems that it ticks all the points of the notability checklist to me, but if it doesn't, I really struggle to understand what is wikipedia-worthy or not, as I've been trying really hard to meet the guidelines and I think this is a very notable instrument that should be here, please help.

Thanks! Rustycandle (talk) 08:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that the problem is that most if not all of your sources are based on interviews with Google staff, which counts as WP:primary sources, which don't establish notability. We need WP:secondary sources with significant coverage of the topic. I took a quick look via Bing and Google News and was quite surprised that I couldn't find such sources. Note that the reviewer didn't say the topic was definitely not notable, only that your draft didn't (yet) demonstrate this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:42, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Changing a page title
Hello again. This organisation no longer goes by the same name. I’ve already highlighted this on the talk page but I haven’t had a response so would appreciate any guidance on how I can potentially make the adjustment myself (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Association_of_Graduate_Recruiters) Leyton2021 (talk) 15:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * - I've moved the article to Institute of Student Employers for you. You can now make the necessary amendement to the text of the article. Mjroots (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leyton2021 (talk • contribs)

people from stockton-on-tees
I miss some names on this list, Francis Roddam (Quadrophenia), David Ross Stoddart and Rick Hewson (RAH). How can I insert them? 14:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)John the miller (talk) John the miller (talk) 14:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . Where exactly did you want to put them? Franc Roddam and Richard Anthony Hewson are already included in the list at Stockton-on-Tees. Simply insert  at the appropriate place in that list.--Shantavira|feed me 16:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Images and infoboxes
On the Vineland, Ontario page there is an img. It is currently left aligned, which disturbs the heading structure. However, if I make it right aligned, it goes below the infobox on the right. If I leave it left aligned and add a clear template below the section there is a large section of whitespace between the sections so it can clear the infobox.

Is leaving the img left aligned the best solution in this case? A Thimblerigs (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * If it's the peach pickers image, it's better at the left of the page. Mjroots (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Article Review
Hello Teahouse, I have a question. If a newly article was created and it is on namespace but needs to be reviewed or patrolled to be indexed on search engines and a reviewer later saw it but it got a little problem and I fixed it, would any reviewer or patroller come back to check the article or do I have to notify a reviewer? Thanks in advance. Trendrives (talk) 23:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Once an article on main space is patrolled, it remains patrolled.
 * If someone perceives big problems with the article, it may be moved to draft space even if it was patrolled. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay I get that. Thanks!! Trendrives (talk) 03:38, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I just created a draft article which I am sure is ready to be moved to Wikipedia namespace. Kindly review Draft:List of awards and nominations received by Olamide. Thanks! Trendrives (talk) 03:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No. What you did was copy content verbatim from Olamide without stating where you got it from. AND, there is no reason a list of awards and nominations received by a person should exist other than it the article about the person. David notMD (talk) 11:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks and I get that. I have actually seen a lot of people having a different article about their list of award and nominations so I am just going to improve it. Trendrives (talk) 13:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:Other stuff exists is not a justification. I added a Comment to the draft. I recommend with your next edit, you make a statement in the Edit summary that the table was copied from the Olamide article. Copying within Wikipedia is allowed, but attribution is required. David notMD (talk) 16:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Turning a draft page into a published one
I’d appreciate some guidance on how to publish this page as I think it’s ready (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1036575344) Leyton2021 (talk) 15:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: At Draft:Tony Sims. David notMD (talk) 16:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , to establish that Sims is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, you'll need to find and cite several reliable independent publish sources with significant discussion of him. The draft cites no such sources. The sources it does cite are not independent, being based on what Sims himself has said. Maproom (talk) 17:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you for letting me know, it’s much appreciated. Will take a further look in that case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leyton2021 (talk • contribs)

Thanks again for your help. I’ve added to independent sources so would appreciate your input again if possible.

How to request an edit to something already written?
So, I read something on here that was wrong, kind of. I tried to add some clarity to the subject, but it looks like the post was locked due to vandalism. How does someone like me send the author a message to fix that specific posting? It's clearly wrong and if this were Youtube, it would have been censored already for misinformation.
 * Hello, . Discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  17:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Your record of contributions show no edits other than this query. Did you edit when not logged in? Or did you mean that you could not edit because you are new, and the article is protected? What was the name of the article? Per what Collen328 replied, initiate a discussion on the Talk page of the article. If content is wrong, your discussion should include a reference(s) confirming your position. David notMD (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with first article
Hi, I've just finished my first draft for my first article and I just wanted some feedback; I don't think it's very good and I think I need better sources, so I'm open to any constructive criticism. Also how do you find good sources? cause I have so many tabs open and I can't find anything useful.

Here's the draft Draft:Ted Ferguson (actor) Huey117 (talk) 13:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . There is little prospect of your draft being accepted because its main source is WP:IMDB. As that link will show, this is not considered reliable enough to establish notability for an actor. You need to find independent reviews of his acting career in reliable sources with significant coverage of him. If you have tried to find such sources and failed, then I'm afraid there can't be an article in Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Yep it just got refused, I'm going to keep looking for independent sources, but I doubt I'll find anything. Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huey117 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I did a quick search and can't find anything else other than what you included. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  18:32, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

its my first article, can someone please review the article before i submit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LizKurian/sandbox LizKurian (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , it seems that his claim to fame is that he founded a non-notable company. I randomly checked three of the sources cited: two don't even mention him, and one merely listed his name, with no discussion. In your view, which of the sources you cited do most to establish that he is notable? Maproom (talk) 09:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Now at Draft:Tabassum Khan. I saw that you identify all of the images as your own work. Is is true that you took all of these photos, over a period of many years? David notMD (talk) 11:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

yes, these images are taken by us, over a period of years. Citations in Startgurus Consulting and Speaker and industry leader are all discussions with him. In philanthropy, the citation includes his initiatives that were done along with external links from media coverage. thanks for the help :) LizKurian (talk) 08:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "us"? Accounts are for individuals. The pictures are from 2014 an 2021. Are you claiming that you as an individual took both of those photos, as you described then as "own work"? David notMD (talk) 18:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help editing a Wikipedia Biography Article Draft
Can someone help me edit this draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Assaf_Biderman

I need to make the tone more neutral and include significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources VidishaAgarwalla (talk) 19:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @VidishaAgarwalla: Welcome to the Teahouse. Before going any further, please address other users' concerns about paid editing. If you do have a paid relationship (as Wikipedia defines it), please disclose that on your user page at User:VidishaAgarwalla (you can click on the red link to create the page). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@tenryuu how do I do that

Photos of individuals for Wikipedia pages
I know that copyright rules are tricky, but can we post a photo of an individual on their Wikipedia page from one of their social media accounts if they have given us permission to do so? Does that need to be documented, and if so, how would we do that? BoredNoodleWrecker (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @BoredNoodleWrecker: Welcome to the Teahouse. The copyright holder (who isn't necessarily the subject in the photo) has to be the one to release the copyright. On social media it tends to be the subject themselves, but generally it's whoever took the photo. In any case, the copyright holder has to declare a release of the materials as a donation (a form can be found at the link). Just be aware that by them releasing the file to Wikipedia, they are allowing it to be used for any purpose, even if it's commercial. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

This is a lot more complicated than I thought! Thank you for the answer though. BoredNoodleWrecker (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The process is actually quite fast. It's the legal language that throws people off.  It's to protect Wikipedia from copyright infringement charges.  The copyright holder can fill out the text and email the file as an attachment in less than two minutes. And BTW, here's a good way to not wreck your pasta [] Cacio e pepe.  TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  19:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize that the simpler text page wasn't easy to find. Go to this one Declaration of consent for all enquiries. TimTempleton <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I remember seeing that page a while back but forgot about it. I might start pointing users there instead. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

That seems a bit easier! If it was some sort of long, drawn out process I would have a great deal of difficulty convincing people to go through this process. Thank you. BoredNoodleWrecker (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

adding a fact
I have just registered with Wikipedia. I simply want to add one fact to the Rudy Giuliani article, one more Honorary Degree that he has received in the past. I am having trouble seeing how such a simple task can be accomplished. Barnabywombat (talk) 21:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Barnabywombat: Welcome to the Teahouse. Might I suggest you try the interactive tutorial first? It covers the basics of editing and using Wikipedia, one of which is adding citations of reliable sources, which would be needed at the very least to be even considered for addition. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Barnabywombat, you probably won't be able to edit the article on Giuliani till you have made edits elsewhere. (This is a rudimentary protection against would-be vandals, trolls and other time-wasters, in an article of particularly wide interest.) In the meantime, you're welcome to make a "Semi-protected edit request" at the foot of Talk:Rudy Giuliani. Please say there precisely what it is that you want or suggest, and be sure provide a reliable, independent reference for its veracity. A suggestion: Before you do this, have a quick look at some earlier edit requests on that talk page, so that you understand what's required. -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Question
Can I update the Univision Noticias logo? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 00:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can. Near the bottom of the page File:Univision Noticias logo.jpg there appears a link to "Upload a new version of this file". Just be sure the new image has about the same approximate size as the current one. If it's too big, it will get deleted because we cannot use higher resolution images for non-free commercial fair use. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Anachronist Isn't this (size-fixing) generally done automagically by a bot these days? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, you're right. I forgot about the bot. So I guess you can upload it too big and the bot has some algorithm to determine what scaling to use. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Switch On and Sources and Notability
I will try to address a question that I was asked on my talk page here, both in case other experienced editors can add to my thoughts, and for the possible information of other submitters. User:Lilylovesreading19 asked me to explain why I and other reviewers have declined her draft:

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Switch_On

I am wondering why the draft Switch On keeps getting rejected. I have updated the citation of it from a legitimate source that was listed on Article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Reliable_sources) and the Korean Herald is also included in the citation which is pretty much like the NYTimes is the US. I have added the track listing along with the composers and lyricist. Since the album only came out yesterday in South Korea, there are no official charting yet so that has not been added. I did ask for advice and they said that it's because of the source which Naver is not reliable and I have changed it since then. Is there any other reasons why this keeps getting rejected since I have constantly updated the citation to make it more legitimate and have reviewed the notability music article and have tried following the article.

There is a myth among submitters in Wikipedia that the key to having any draft article accepted is finding the right sources. This is a myth because verifiability is a necessary but not sufficient condition for notability. An article must have reliable sources, but not every subject that is mentioned by reliable sources is notable. In some areas, such as sports and music, Wikipedia has special notability guidelines. Your draft was declined by three reviewers including me because it was (at the time) an unreleased album, and unreleased albums are almost always considered too soon. Sometimes they are not released. Then you resubmitted the draft on the day that the album was released. As you said, it had no official charting and no reviews. What you should have done was to wait for the charting and the reviews, and what you should do now is to wait for the charting and the reviews. References, which establish verifiability, are a necessary but not sufficient condition, and some submitters make the mistake of focusing entirely on the sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * When it comes to creative works like musical albums, films, stage plays, poems, novels, paintings, sculptures and the like, the most common way that notability is established is through published commentary by professional critics. Some blockbuster films will have so much significant coverage in independent, reliable sources that the films are notable after principal filming begins but before the film is released and reviewed. The sources are the most important part of an article or draft, but a handful of mediocre sources are not enough. The quality of the sources used to establish notability is the most important factor. The sources must be reliable, they must be fully independent, and they must devote significant coverage to the topic. In this case, unless the upcoming music album received a truly unusual amount of unusually detailed coverage in independent reliable sources before release, then it would be best to wait for professional reviews by critics, and chart positions, before accepting an article. The promotionalism factor is also important. Draft articles or new articles about the latest start-up and the latest rapper and the latest musical album are going to be subject to higher scrutiny than an article about a rare butterfly species or a Kentucky state legislator who served in the 1830s. Countless people see Wikipedia as a marketing opportunity, and people get rich off of new pop music but not so much from writing about toad habitats. Wikipedia is not a venue for promoting new commercial ventures, so people who try to use it that way are going get pushback. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  02:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I have reformatted your message, I hope for the better. ¶ Notability (music) is appallingly complex and confusing. Sample: criterion 7, The subject, or the claims made for the subject? Should one infer that verifiability is unimportant for the other 11 criteria (none of which mention it)? Et cetera. I sympathize with anyone who can't be bothered to plod through it, and suspect that a great deal of it could just be deleted. Not much needs to be added to WP:GNG. -- Hoary (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

A few questions about ip's
Hello there! I wanted to ask a couple questions related to ip addresses, as my ip had originally been banned from making an account. Can someone help explain to me how the process of banning ips work? I don't really know much about this stuff, but do I know that i had never tried to change an article in any major way, or ever comment on message boards (i didn't even know message boards for Wikipedia existed!). I live in an apartment complex, and with other people (although none of them had edited articles either), so could that have something to do with it?

A very confused Wikipedia surfer, (im adding for tildes after this, but I don't know if I'm supposed to??

KittyLover1232 (talk) 02:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * If an IP number is used in a deleterious way (degrading articles, trolling, etc), an administrator can "block" (not "ban") it from editing, either for a set period or indefinitely. It's clear that you can now edit as "KittyLover1232", so I suggest that you do so: no need to worry further about the IP number(s). Thank you for hitting "~" four times in a row. -- Hoary (talk) 03:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Some more information expanding on Hoary's reply: IP addresses can change hands very quickly, so over the course of a month, 5 to 10 people may have had that IP address. Your "IP" will probably change in a month or so, depending on your ISP and area, so being IP-blocked when you haven't done anything wrong isn't abnormal! WhoAteMyButter  ( 📨talk │ 📝contribs ) 03:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

maybe a silly question
Sir, i know i am really NEW for this, but out of curiosity, i want to the procedure and eligibility for being a administrator on wikipedia. By the way, i joined wikipedia as editor today only but i have edited around 20+ things, this shows my dedication and my ability to become a administrator in future. please guide me, about procedure and eligibility so that when the right time came to become administrator, i had already done my best to become one. PLEASE ANSWER IN DETAILS (if possible). Indianman1 (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC) Indianman1 (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. You can see some of the things at WP:RfA. In short, it requires a lot of Wikipedia experience, demonstration that you understand Wikipedia policies, and demonstration that you need to admin toolset to perform the tasks you want to perform.  You should view adminship and being a janitor, and beware of WP:Hat collecting  99% of things on Wikipedia do not require being an admin. RudolfRed (talk) 17:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Indianman1 You can start here Administrators and continue with pages linked from there. At Requests_for_adminship, in the candidates column, you have links to recent "admin-runs" and there you can get a sense of what is expected. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

thanks i will save your words on my talk page, for future asistance as they will be deleted from here after sometime Indianman1 (talk) 17:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that discussions on the Teahouse (and other talk pages) are archived rather than deleted, . Cordless Larry (talk) 19:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse, specifically, . I definitely do not want to discourage you as the encyclopedia needs great admins and we have some out there but, to echo some above, the highest position anyone can hold on the project is "editor". -- A Rose Wolf  19:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

ok Indianman1 (talk) 04:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I remove the template?
I added translation from this article to Dyspessa ulula, can I now remove Expand German from the article? Also, I forgot to add 'Content in this edit... see its history for attribution' statement in my edit summary. Will this cause me any trouble? I did add Translated in its talk page. Excellenc1📞 05:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Good work! If you feel like there's no more information from the German page that can be used to build the article, then go ahead and remove the template. For Translated, I would fill out  and   just to be extra clear.  ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 05:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Source list
I remember a page that have a giant list where it lists sources as "verifiable", "questioned", or "blacklisted". But I forgot what page it is, could someone care to link the page in question? Thanks 180.251.155.166 (talk) 08:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds like you could be referring to the perennial reliable sources list. 331dot (talk) 08:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Just what I was looking for. Thank you! 180.251.155.166 (talk)

Anveshi Jain
Hi Team ,

I have been struggling to understand how an article needs to be published here in Wikipedia. I wanted to create an Article related to a person that i am closely associated.

The topic i have given is " Anveshi Jain ". It seems like some one have created an article about this person and deleted later on. Now i am unable to ge this approved as i am new in this platform or i am unaware hot to get it approved.

Anyone would be able to asssit ?

Thanks in advance Anveshijain (talk) 09:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * It is simple. Do not try to write an article about someone you are connected to. Edits should be neutral.--Bduke (talk) 10:10, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome!
 * The article was deleted after discussion at Articles for deletion/Anveshi Jain and Articles for deletion/Anveshi Jain (2nd nomination) - the consensus being that the person in question isn't notable enough to warrant an article. The reason you can't create the article is because it's creation protected due to constant recreation.
 * If you feel that this person is notable enough to warrant an article, and you can cite reliable secondary sources to prove it, you could consider asking for the protection to be removed at WP:RPP.
 * As a side note, your username may be problematic (it's the name of the person you're trying to write about) - check WP:REALNAME for information on this - and if you are the person you're trying to write about, check WP:COI for why this is a bad idea. Zudo (talk • contribs) 10:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Per Bduke's terse reply, Wikipedia advises against autobiography (WP:AUTO), paid editing and conflict of interest (for example, being closely associated), but does not forbid those practices. Last advice - creating an article as a new-to-Wikipedia account is very hard. Trying that for a topic that has been through Articles for Deletion twice is near-impossible. See Anveshi Jain for the troubled history of this topic. David notMD (talk) 11:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

The citations in this article are improper
4 of 5 citations in Alfredo Sadel direct to pages which have nothing to do with the text for which it is used. This also questions its notablilty. (This might probably be because the citation expired or something, I don't know) Excellenc1📞 06:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Notability doesn't really expire and neither does the reliability of a citation per se, but citations may sometimes become dead links over time for various reasons; for example, a link to a citation may be overwritten or archived by the source in question as part of its efforts to keep its website as up-to-date as possible. When this happens, the link originally added for the citation may no longer work as before and might instead redirect to another website or another page. What you can try to do is to check whether there is an archived version of the original url that can be found using something like the Wayback Machine or some other archive service and then update the citation using the parameters archive-url, archive-date, and url-status so that those reading the article can see that the original url is no longer accessible, but an archived version for it exists. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I ran Fix Dead Links on it (at the top of the page's edit history, the furthest right external tool), but I didn't go back and make them pretty. :) —valereee (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Images:
Hi, just wondering how images work on Wikipedia; for instance if I wanted to create an article about a person, what images of them would I be able to use? and how can they be found? I'm just asking because it seems like most Wikipedia articles have pictures of their subjects, but it also seems that Wikipedia has strict rules about what images are allowed. Huey117 (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Huey117, the answer unfortunately isn't straightforward. It depends on whether the person is still alive, how old the photo is, and a few other things. —valereee (talk) 11:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The full story is at WP:IUP Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Commons is our depository of "free" images. If you're lucky, there might be one there. If you're able to take a pic of the person yourself with your own camera, you can upload it there, and then use it on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Searching
I tried searching incategory:"Wikipedia redirects" but it didn't work, and neither did deepcat:"Wikipedia redirects". &#8213; Qwerfjkl talk  10:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * incategory is working as expected - Category:Wikipedia redirects is a holding category that only contains other categories. There are no pages in article space that are sorted into that category so it is correctly returning no results, repeat the search in template space (which contains the single page sorted into this category) you will correctly get one result. Deepcat is probably erroring because you've gone over its search limit - it can only search up to 5 levels of categories of 256 total categories, but one of the subcategories of Category:Wikipedia redirects is Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories, which currently contains a bit over 100,000 subcategories. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 12:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Bogus Review?
Hello, I've been working on a Wikipedia page for two months now. I've had several insightful editors send notes when rejecting my submission. Tonight, however, I was told I needed to get an English-speaking writer to work on the project. I'm from the U.S. and a journalist to boot. So this type of rejection left me pondering... How do I resubmit with this kind of feedback. Thanks for your help.

P.S. The photo I uploaded of my subject has also disappeared. It was viewable for a while. Not sure what happened. Any clues appreciated. Bekwright (talk) 05:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Draft:Samuel A. Culbert
 * I don't exactly agree with that the English syntax is the biggest problem here. Yes, there's some bits and pieces to clean up, but the biggest problem here is sourcing. You need to first demonstrate that the subject is notable for a Wikipedia article yet. You need to find independent sources, which are written by people completely unaffiliated with Culbert (including Culbert himself), and then you base article content on those independent sources. Wikipedia does not care about what the subject has to say about themself, and so far, the draft reads too much like a resume, instead of from a neutral point of view.
 * By the way, the image you uploaded to Commons at commons:File:Sam full size (1).jpg is a copyright violation and is likely to be deleted; we can only accept free images here. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bekwright: Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what has said, make sure you're not using words or phrases that promote or laud an individual. Phrases like  and  sound more at home at a press release, and are inappropriate for an encyclopedia. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , this draft reads like a CV which makes it nearly difficult for a reader to under the topic efficiently. It should be presented with a good lead section as well. The current revision seems non-encyclopedic. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:07, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As it stands now, 16 of the 26 refs are to stuff Culbert wrote. Establishing notability requires refs to what people have written ABOUT Culbert. And to your original question, a lot of the content was jargon. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Help to move an article from my sandbox
I would like to move an article from my sandbox to Articles for Publication. How do I do this?

Thanks! Vedlagt (talk) 04:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Before you submit your draft for AFC review you ought to expand the bare URLs to full citations. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

What is the procedure? Thanks for any help. Vedlagt (talk) 12:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Another editor has moved the draft from your sandbox to draft space. You can submit it from there when you are ready, Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Another editor has moved the draft from your sandbox to draft space. You can submit it from there when you are ready, Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

requesting to know about sources.
hi this is the page i submitted and the draft got declined saying it need some reliable sources. I want to know if there is any other problem with the article? or is it that I should enclose details published in any other source like newspaper, magazines... What if there are only few magazine mentions which i have already mentioned in the page below. is it not sufficient?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Canadian_Chamber_of_Commerce,_Middle_East Mivida2021 (talk) 11:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Mivida2021, you need at minimum three articles in well-regarded unaffiliated newspapers or magazine which all cover the subject in-depth and which aren't all local to the area where the subject is located. There is information at WP:RELIABLE SOURCE and WP:SIGCOV and WP:NORG. That is how we determine whether an organization is notable enough for an article. There are other problems with your draft that you would need to fix, but proving notability is the crucial first step.
 * Are you an employee of this organization? If you are, you will need to disclose that relationship, as undisclosed paid editing is not allowed. There are instructions at Paid-contribution disclosure. —valereee (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To be pedantic, having three reliable sources is strongly recommended, but by no means is it an actual policy or guideline. It does make reviewers much more receptive to drafts, though. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Subpage
How to create a subpage of my userpage? <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"> Peter Ormond &#128172;  04:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Peter Ormond: Welcome to the Teahouse. The quickest way to do so would be to go to your browser's address bar, add a  after , and type in the subpage's title before pressing Enter. For example, you could do  . — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I didn't know it was that easy and quick! <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"> Peter Ormond &#128172;  04:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, you could type  in the Wikipedia search box, . --ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Or drop a link on your user page  - X201 (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Request help re first article
I wrote my first article a few days ago, Draft:Ultimate_Heliport which was declined because of the following reasons:

"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

It was also flagged as a COI. Since then I have corresponded with the original user who declined the article, who is now happy there is no COI. He also suggested removing one of the sections, which I did. I tried to find as many secondary sources, which are independent of the subject. Can anyone else give input/advice in terms of what to change? Perhaps it's written in too subjective a tone? I think this is a valuable entry and interesting, especially within the South African Aviation context.

Any help would be appreciated! Hassanbeem (talk) 07:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Hassanbeem, that first article can be difficult for a new editor. You can take a look at WP:Your first article, and you might also go to the talk pages of WP:WikiProject Aviation and WP:WikiProject South Africa to see if anyone might take a look.
 * The immediate issue is finding significant coverage in unaffiliated sources. The most recent reviewer said Whether as a commercial operation or piece of transport infrastructure, the subject needs to demonstrate notability by WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Of the ones cited, the BusinessTech article provides sigcov but may not be entirely independent, while the Times one is probably reliable and independent but only covers the subject as a secondary subject. So that's one that covers it heavily enough but is possibly affiliated and one that is unaffiliated but doesn't cover it heavily enough, so unfortunately neither provides help in proving notability.
 * You need three unaffiliated reliable sources which give focus primarily on this heliport; at least two of them should be outside the local area. You might check for coverage in industry magazines, but it's also possible the heliport simply isn't being covered enough yet and will eventually be. As long as you keep working on the draft at least every few months, you can just keep looking for those sources. —valereee (talk) 12:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi —valereee. Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. I will just park it for now and check back in a month or so to see if anything has changed, in terms of more coverage. Thanks for taking the time to comment! Hassanbeem (talk) 15:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)hassanbeem

Addition of actor's name to the article about films removed by Rdp060707
Addition of actor's name to the article about films removed by Rdp060707

The addition of the actor's name was removed by Rdp060707 stating that I have not provided the source. But I would like to bring it to your notice that I myself am the actor about whom the mention was missing from the movies articles. Hence I made a login and tried to make myslef eligible to Wikipedia and also mark my presence in the projects I have been part of. But I am not sure how to go about it since my suggestions were removed. Kindly help me, as there are quite a few projects that have missed my mention in them as an Artist. I again request you to help me get my valid Wikipedia existence by the work and contribution I have given to the Film industry. regards Atmaja Pandey https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6592801 / Atmajapandey (talk) 14:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Atmajapandey: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia only takes stock of notable (as Wikipedia defines it) subjects; it is possible that you may not meet the criteria to be considered as such, which is why your edits are being reverted. As you are the actor in question, this is something you are strongly discouraged from doing, as writing about yourself usually ends with your additions being removed. If you're able to find reliable sources that significantly cover you, you can submit an edit request on article talk pages, using those sources as references. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , this is not to discourage you but I would think first. A lot of people don't understand that having an article on Wikipedia or even adding information about yourself on Wikipedia means anyone can edit that information or add new information based on what reliable sources say. You do not own that information or any article on Wikipedia including an article about yourself should one be created (See WP:OWN and WP:BLP). You can follow @Tenryuu's instructions above should you decide you want to try and get the information included. -- A Rose Wolf  17:05, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Jalaledin Moayerian
Hi there, Regarding my draft as Jalaledin Moayerian I had been advised to ask Robert McClenon. Below please find his reply and his request from you to advice. Could you please help me to find a way out of this loop.

Aria Moayerian (talk) 09:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC) Aria Moayerian (talk) 09:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Courtesy: Draft:Jalaledin Moayerian. A different draft, created by a different editor, but with near-identical content, is at Draft:Jalal Moayerian. Your draft has been Declined five times by five different reviewers, and then Rejected (the other draft Declined twice). As Jalaledin is your uncle, you should have declared that at the beginning as an obvious conflict-of-interest. This omission did not prevent you from creating a draft, but it did prejudice McClenon from offering help. Please accept the decision that your uncle does not rise to Wikipedia's definition of notability, and either tag the draft for deletion or abandon it. If the latter, you will be reminded in 5-6 months that the draft will be deleted, as no work has been done on it anymore. David notMD (talk) 11:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@User talk:David notMD - Thanks for your attention and here is some clarifications; 1- I don't have any objection about the taken decision and I just need your help to know what would be the best way to publish this article in Wikipedia. As you know the reason of rejection was submitting multiple drafts and not the article by itself as per Robert McClenon. 2- Since it was my first article so, I didn't know anything about the rules, procedures, tools... of Wikipedia and I asked many people i.e. friends, other family members and colleagues to help me out. I even asked Robert to help me on April 23 at 15:59 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robert_McClenon&diff=prev&oldid=1019483422) but no reply at that time. Maybe the other editor, user:No Judgment, is one of the people whom I had asked for help. Is it acceptable if I leave a comment on the talk page of user:No Judgment to keep going and I provide the feed for this article and or ask this user to stop working on this article? (I am just asking you for the advice and don't want to make it worse) 3- Since it was my first draft so, I didn't have any experience and didn't know I should have declared the subject is my uncle. If I wanted to hide this matter I would not submit the draft under my real name. In fact, I submitted it under my real name for the purpose of transparency and to show my honesty because I didn't see any reason to hide my identity and was thinking I would be considered as a simple user. Having said that it was unintentional if I didn't mention the subject is my uncle and it was just because of lack of experience and knowledge. 4-Referring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jalaledin_Moayerian, per provided comment by the reviewer, Robert McClenon 07:14, 31 July 2021 (UTC),the reviewer has not decided that the topic is not notable and I had been advised to blow up and start over my draft. In addition, Referring 16:55:28, 31 July 2021 review of submission by Aria Moayerian, I have been advised by User:Timtrent to start over (here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#16%3A55%3A28%2C_31_July_2021_review_of_submission_by_Aria_Moayerian). As the final question, I am just wondering if I still have the chance to start over. Thanks a lot for your patience ad your anticipated consideration is highly appreciated.Aria Moayerian (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Plain Rudeness
In an article (don't want to specify which), unneeded information is there that is completely insulting and degrading to a religious text is there. Am I allowed to remove it? IFvoltronwasadragon... (talk) 17:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, it's not possible to say really without knowing exactly where and what it says, but please be aware that Wikipedia is not censored. Theroadislong (talk) 17:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

My Edits on Page: Tim Southee
Hi there, it has been 2 days since I have been posting the same question, although recieving no reply. I have made changes to Article Tim Southee a couple of days ago. Pls someone check then and let me know if anything needs to be done. And why didn't I get any replies? Does my question show up? Is my Question visible? Thanks in Advance! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 15:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 15:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * .  Maproom (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Jocelin Andrea if your question was left on the Tim Southee Talk page I don't see it. Where was your question posted? All Wikipedia editors are volunteers, so it may be that those who are interested in the Tim Southee article are not able to respond to you immediately. I looked over your addition to the article but, since I know nothing about cricket, I can't say if anything else needs to be done. If your reference is a reliable source, and you didn't copy and paste the exact words from your source (it's important to rewrite the information in your own words), your addition should be fine. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Your previous questions here are at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1118. The reason why you haven't received a reply is that, as Karenthewriter said above, all Wikipedia editors are volunteers.  If anyone had been sufficiently interested and believed that anything needed to be said, they would have said it.  --David Biddulph (talk) 18:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

List of legislation named for a person
'''Hello, my name is Lavinia B. Masters and I am an advocate and the namesake of HB 8: THE LAVINIA MASTERS ACT in the State of Texas. It is a piece of legislation that was passed in 2019 and we nt into effect Sept 1, 2019. I am also the first surviving black woman to have a law named after me. My question is how do you get my name entered on this article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislation_named_for_a_person. I am not internet or tech savvy but I would love for someone to volunteer and update the page with our information from here in Texas. I have attached 3 links below with more information about my law.Bold text'''

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/billtext/html/HB00008H.htm

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/governor-signs-hb-8-into-law-to-end-backlog-of-rape-test-kits-in-sex-assault-cases

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/2019/06/20/she-was-raped-at-13-her-case-sat-untouched-for-21-years-now-shes-changed-the-law/

God bless you and thank you !

laviniamasters.com 47.187.147.117 (talk) 18:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * NM lol —valereee (talk) 19:08, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Edits
WinnipegMA (talk) 18:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC) Where can I find easy articles to edit? And where can I practice editing articles?


 * Try the task center and the sandbox. NW1223 ( Howl at me &#124;  My hunts ) 18:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have an area of expertise or interest, short articles rated Stub or Start on the Talk pages of those articles likely need improvement. David notMD (talk) 19:09, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft deletion process
Hi, there are a few drafts that I've created but won't be working on anymore. As a paid editor, we've either refunded the amount to the clients or the subjects are simply not notable enough to merit any additional work. How do you propose I delete these drafts? Thank you! BettytheBeth (talk) 19:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Just add to the top of the page and an administrator will delete it as an author request. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 19:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Dover Corporation factual page edits denied
Hello, I work at a marketing agency on behalf of Dover Corporation, and Dover requested that we submit factual changes related to the introductory paragraph of the company's page. Specifically, Lisa Moloney submitted these changes on June 4, but they were denied because they were labeled as "obvious PR" - a distinction we believe is incorrect due to the fact that our only changes were factual in nature and were backed up by mostly external sources.

Because Dover is publicly traded, we wanted to provided factual, up-to-date information to keep the page accurate. Let me know if there is any way to have another review of our suggested changes. SODH1988 (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Dover Corporation Request made 4 June, denied 30 June. Lisa Moloney identified herself as a company employee and proposed specific changes, such as update X ref with Y ref. Not at all clear why the reviewer declined the requests (although the refs should be in ref format, not just URLs). David notMD (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply - is there anything we need to do aside from updating the format to help push the changes along? SODH1988 (talk) 18:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest properly formating references (see Help:Referencing for beginners) and resubmitting as a new request on the Talk page, but be clear that this is a resubmittal. You may get a different reviewer, I have concerns that (pinging) 's Contributions show other rejections of Talk page edit requests for editors who have declared a COI. David notMD (talk) 19:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added "Dover was ranked 429th in the 2020 Fortune 500' with the source for you, it was incorrect on the talk pagehowever. Theroadislong (talk) 19:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @David notMD I denied the request mainly because the way it was written seemed like PR, and its poor quality and formatting. I will also add that i review COI requests based on quality and relevance to the subject matter. I i see a request that meets these criteria, I will (usually) wait for another more experienced editor to make the relevant edits. If its doesn't, i will deny it. Quetstar (talk) 19:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There was a time gap between the request (6 June) and your dismissal of it (30 June), but calling it "obvious PR" when it appeared to be mostly about updating facts and references, was not useful. David notMD (talk) 19:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I acknowledge that my initial reasoning as "obvious PR" was not useful at all. Quetstar (talk) 19:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Creating an article about a company.
Hello, I wanted to know if an article written about a company is notable. Thank you. Three or two (talk) 17:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, As you have added a question, it's a bit confusing. What I understand from this is that I can give you a suggestion. You can check out WP: COMPANY. It might be helpful for you. —  The Chunky urf <i> Al Kashmiri  </i>  (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not articles that are notable or not: the question is whether the subject of an article meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and secondly whether the article about the company establishes that notability. If a subject is not notable, then No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability, and any draft will be rejected, or an article deleted. If the subject is notable but an article does not cite the sources required to establish this, an article is likely to be tagged or draftified, and a draft to be declined. --ColinFine (talk) 20:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Article miscategorisation
An article I created Theatre of the World has been miscategorised as an English language opera which it isn't. I can't edit the English Language Operas category page to remove it. Is there something I can delete somewhere? I just added a piece to the article about the language to clarify for the reader, so it may change the categorisation eventually. Thanks. Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the teahouse! Categories are added to the article, rather than the category page. If you edit the wikitext of the page and scroll to the very bottom you'll see a link that looks like . Adding or removing these links sorts the articles into categories. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 20:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , I've done it for you. It was categorised as an English-language opera because the article itself contained the line


 * All I had to do was delete that. Maproom (talk) 20:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's your lucky day! I've seen this; I've recategorised literally thousands of articles here (there's a 4000 article category I hope to get into, soon--most need to be moved to subcategories).  Anyway, someone beat me to removing the article in question from English language operas.  I took the next step and added to German--which I gather it (mostly) is.  Uporządnicki (talk) 20:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and thank you!! All I have to do is drink tea it seems. I've edited the short description also to German. BUT the opera is deliberately polyglot for artistic reasons. So can we create that? (maybe not - but should really)Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Establishing consensus before repeated edits
I noticed that many articles in Category:Master's degrees don't use a sortkey, meaning that the "M" section is full of degrees that don't start with that letter (e.g. Master of Architecture in "M" instead of "A"). I already edited a few articles in Category:Bachelor's degrees that were missing a sortkey, but fixing the Master's degrees category could require a bunch of edits (ideally with a tool like HotCat).

My questions: Thanks, Inverted Hourglass (talk) 23:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Since most articles in this category already follow the convention I want to use, is it reasonable to perform all the edits required, or should I always get consensus in cases where repetitive edits are going to be made?
 * 2) In general, what is the best way to get consensus for changes to multiple pages? I imagine that not many editors have actual category pages on their watchlists since the page content is updated automatically.


 * Good question. The current situation is clearly unsatisfactory. But while sorting Master of Architecture on "Architecture" (at least for this purpose) seems an obvious and uncontroversial fix, what about Master of Science in Development Administration: on "Development Administration", or on "Science in Development Administration"? (Additionally, I wondered why such an article would be necessary at all: if the reader knows what the academic subject named Development Administration is, and knows what an MSc is, then what is there that still needs explaining? And after skim-reading the article, I am none the wiser.) I suggest that you bring up the first question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You're right that some of the article titles are ambiguous—that's something I didn't think of that I could bring up on WikiProject Categories. (I also agree with you that many of those articles might not need to exist in the first place, but that's a much larger problem to solve.) Thanks for the help! Inverted Hourglass (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

My draft post for Ceres Power keeps getting rejected, please help!
My references for a Ceres Power listing, are being rejected but they're coming from legitimate and well recognised third-party authorties.

Are there any other reasons for why it is being rejected? Kelvmorgan2020 (talk) 20:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. On a quick look, it seems to me that every one of the sources cited is based on interviews or press releases from Ceres. Wikipedia isn't interested in those. --ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Habib Rahman moved to draftspace
I recently made a page, but it got removed, and i got this message: An article you recently created, Habib Rahman, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

How can I find my page Ethesham1 (talk) 23:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ethesham1: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft has been deleted for inactivity, and you'd have to ask for a refund. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:02, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That message was only left yesterday, I would hope it would take more than 24 hours for a draft to be deleted! What seems to have happened here is that Ethesham1 created their draft by overwriting an existing redirect. The article was moved to draft space, but was then moved back to article space for some reason to re-make the redirect? Why I have no idea. The draft is in the page history of Habib Rahman, it either needs moving back to draft space so Ethesham1 can continue to work on it or a history split. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 00:20, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a confounding situation. I don't think there should be a problem by having the revision with the draft content being moved back to Draft:Habib Rahman. I'll leave the best way to do so to someone who's more learned in page moving. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

I have restored Draft:Habib Rahman for you to improve. There were multiple unrelated deleted drafts there. After I got confused myself after I restored and merged them (including the one in main space), I restored the one that you were working on. Please don't move it to main space until it passes review. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Help for edit of controversial page
Thank you generous teahouse hosts! I am interested in improving the content and value of the page "Deep Adaptation." As a climate change-related topic, it is subject to extra requirements, and has a talk page. I have a personal POV, so will not be able to reliably produce NPOV contributions. How may I find a "buddy on the other side" (you had a great name for this person, I can't find it now) or given my good faith efforts, a generous impartial editor guide who will keep me on the straight and narrow?

FYI there are two issues I see with the current page (among many stylistic ones):

1. It is biased against the title topic, a) giving undue weight to a critical response that states that Deep Adaptation assumes too dire an expectation of climate change and b) implying that the purpose of Deep Adaptation is to promote such a view. In fact, a) The consensus has been shifting and b) the purpose of Deep Adaptation is acknowledgement of the challenge to accepting such a view even if evidence supports it and then, if one assumes such a view, to respond constructively.

2. It is not purely a science topic, as it seems to be treated in the article. The self-published article which coined the term, and the term itself, refer to constructive policy and personal responses to the dire situation the author believes likely. This is hardly covered.

I am doing background work gathering citations and quotations that I think will be helpful. I could take all this directly to the talk page but I would rather develop some credibility there by not doing stupid things. Please advise how I might humbly and helpfully proceed. Artemisia-californica (talk) 21:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)


 * If you have a conflict of interest, you may always request changes on Talk:Deep Adaptation. Preface your proposal with the tag request edit, which lists your request in a category page monitored by some users. Formulate your request in the form "Change X to Y" or "Delete X" or "Insert Y after Z", and provide reliable sources to support your proposed change.
 * Be aware that there is a large backlog of requests, so be patient. Everyone here is a volunteer, so there are no deadlines on Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

JP Karliak: An Openly Gay Actor and Voice Actor
American actor, voice actor and comedian JP Karliak is an openly gay American who had recently married his boyfriend on July 2021. A couple days ago after I moved his page to the main article, I proved that a lot of citations can help improve his Wikipedia page. It is said that on his Instagram post, JP Karliak and his boyfriend are recently married after being engaged. So how does anyone know if Karliak is gay throughout his entire life? MetaWiz4331 (talk) 03:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia can only report what is found in reliable sources. The article must stay silent on points that don't have coverage. If you can find no information about how long he has known he is gay, then the article cannot say anything about it. Biographies of living persons requires that any statement we make about a living person must be backed up by reliable source. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with article
Hi, I've been trying to get my draft about a musician published, and it was just recently denied for referencing sale websites such as Apple Music and Spotify; however I've seen many other articles about musicians cite these websites as sources. I'm just wondering why this is; plus any feedback on the article and how to improve it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Here's the draft: Draft:Matt Maltese Huey117 (talk) 05:46, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has millions of articles, and just because you see other articles having poor-quality content is not a reason to include such content in a new article. Apple Music and Spotify do absolutely nothing in the way of significant coverage for the purpose of establishing notability, and needlessly bloats the reference list with pointless items. These are not required. You basically made the article into a web directory of his music, in violation of the WP:NOTDIR policy.
 * What you need are sources that provide actual coverage of the subject. See Golden rule to get an overview of what is expected. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Moving Page from Draft Into Main Namespace
Hi! I recently became an autoconfirmed user and wanted to move a draft to the namespace, but had submitted it for review before moving the page. If I'm autoconfirmed, does a reviewer still have to review the article before it goes to the main namespace? Ntk202 (talk) 20:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I see you have now moved Erika Green Swafford to mainspace yourself. I see that two of the sources it cites are based on interviews with her and one is self-written; but I guess that others just about do enough to establish her as WP:notable.  Maproom (talk) 20:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Maproom, I'd like to actually remove those sources as well, but not sure how to remove the template. Once that is done, is the article considered accurate and ready? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntk202 (talk • contribs)
 * Same day, moved it to Draft:Erika Green Swafford. Awards section needs references. David notMD (talk) 07:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Delete it.
Hello everyone! I am VNHRISHIKESH. I viewed an orphan draft article named 'Draft:Magic Grabber'. There is only one edit on it for 4 months(from creating that draft). The creator also does not make edits recently. The content in that draft is very short. The reference list is not large. The draft have no reliable sources. So I proposes deletion for the draft article, 'Draft:Magic Grabber'. Regards, VNHRISHIKESH VNHRISHIKESH (talk) 07:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:Magic Grabber is an unsubmitted draft created by an IP in April, and not edited since. The easiest path is to ignore it - drafts with no activity are deleted at six months. David notMD (talk) 07:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Article Review
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Arman_Li%C4%8Dina Wikivampir (talk) 11:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft you are talking about is deleted for it being used for promotion on Wikipedia, and for keeping Wikipedia non-profit from all sides such advertisements and promotions (even indirect) are not allowed. For more information visit WP:PROMO and WP:NPOV. Exclusive  Editor  Notify Me! 11:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Commons
Please revert the recent revision of File:Rajiv Gandhi (1987).jpg, as it is a violation of Commons:Colorization. <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"> Peter Ormond &#128172;  09:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you want something done on Commons, you need to ask on Commons. Try Commons:Commons:Village pump. --ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reverted it over on Commons. It was forced colourization on 29 different wikis. - X201 (talk) 09:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Forgot to ping - X201 (talk) 10:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , he can't. He's indefinitely blocked there. (See commons:User talk:Peter Ormond, passim.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:20, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Article declined
Hi Everybody, The submission of the article Draft:Sphere_(company) has been declined for the following reason "the draft does not establish corporate notability." As the article is a translation from the French article, I was wondering : does it mean that French sources (Le Monde, Les Echos, La Tribune, Le Parisien, etc.) are not considered as "independent reliable sources"? Should I put more English speaking sources?

Thank you in advance for your help Inceptio (talk) 14:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Sources do not need to be in English, but I think the more relevant aspect here is that what is acceptable on one version of Wikipedia is not necessarily acceptable on another, as every version is its own project with their own editors and policies. 331dot (talk) 14:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks for coming to the Teahouse. While what says above is true, this should not be used as a means to discriminate or preclude non-English subjects from the English version of the Encyclopedia just because the sources are not in English. Le Monde, La Tribune and Le Parisien are independent reliable sources with a strong editorial process. A reliable source is a reliable source no matter where it is in the world, English or not. In regards to the draft, the comment that should be focused on is "This draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, focusing on what the company says about itself." It is not that the article doesn't reference independent reliable sources but that the reviewer felt the article was written from the perspective of what the company says about itself rather than what the sources say about the company. -- A Rose  Wolf  15:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ; Hello, thank so much for your answers. It helps a lot! Of course, I saw the comment of the reviewer. But I find hard to make as both perspectives are quite getting mixed up... I will work again on the draft to improve it. Inceptio (talk) 12:46, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Unable to publish changes
I keep receiving the following message whenever I press Publish Changes: Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404). How do I fix this? Sophie L. Stone (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC) Sophie L. Stone (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Is it still happening? This isn't something you can likely fix on your end. It could be your ISP or the Wikimedia servers. You can try a different browser too, although I'm skeptical that will work if the problem isn't on your end. Because the rest of us don't seem to have this problem, I'm guessing there's an issue with your ISP. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

How to create private sandbox or draft to start off
Hello, as someone new to Wikipedia I was expecting My sandbox to be private but have discovered it is not. Despite searching widely on Wikipedia and the Internet I have not found how to configure My sandbox or a draft to be private for the initial practice and preparation. How can I do this? My apologies if I have failed to find instructions already published and available online, if so I would appreciate a link to the instructions. Otherwise, any helpful answers will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Zackroo (talk) 18:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , on Wikipedia nothing is private. You should never write anything private anywhere on Wikipedia anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the teahouse! There is no way to make a private page on wikipedia, all pages are publicly viewable and editable by others. Don't worry about making a mess of your sandbox experimenting, that's the entire reason they exist! As long as what you write there complies with our core content policies (e.g. no copyright violations, no promotional/advert pages etc) editors are given a lot of leeway as to what they can use their sandbox for. If you would like to write an article in private you will need to do it in a separate text editor, but of course you won't be able to format it as a wikipage until it's copied into wikipedia. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your answers. They confirm the conclusions I have been arriving at. I have also wondered about using an offline editor with visual capabilities to preview the page and have not found such a solution yet. I have found extensions to various editors on different platforms but they only provide syntax highlighting, that is useful, but they do not include visual preview. Any suggestions or links will be appreciated. P.S. I have already made a newbie mistake here, when first trying to add this reply I did not check the box "This is a minor edit" and my reply has not appeared so I am doing it again. Zackroo (talk) 19:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Have a look at Tools/Editing tools which lists a load of converters from various file formats to mediawiki markup, and an offline editor. By far the best way to learn is to just muck about in a sandbox though, no-one will care if you make a mess of your sandbox, honest! 192.76.8.91 (talk) 02:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have come across the Tools/Editing tools article and looked at the details it offers. I hoped there might be a simple offline visual editor or preview options in other editors that can support syntax highlighting. I was planning to use my sandbox to practice and then hesitated on seeing it was not private. I'm not used to the idea of scratch drafts being public and have seen concerns by others related to commentary on their premature drafts. Zackroo (talk) 16:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I use an offline text editor all the time for creating drafts. Microsoft's Wordpad works well as it doesn't try to convert Wiki markup such as two consecutive ' into " (thus spoiling the intention to use italics). I copy/paste my drafts into my sandbox and use "Preview" to see how the text will look on-Wiki. Also, the source editor has excellent syntax highlighting (pen icon to left of the word "Advanced") which helps immensely in getting citations etc. right. I rarely publish/save the text: I just copy any changes back out into my text editor and save to my PC's hard drive ready for further work. In fact, if you use Special:Preferences on its editing tab to "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" then it is unlikely you will ever accidentally update your sandbox until you are happy that the Draft has reached a good state. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, this is very helpful. I have started to use a text editor, in my case Notepad++ with addition of wiki syntax highlighting. I like your described workflow of using the sandbox to preview changes without saving them and your suggestion to try adding Special:Preferences. I will give it a try. Zackroo (talk) 16:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Seeking Tips for Properly Citing
Hey Y'all! I'm new to helping edit Wikipedia and would like some tips on properly citing resources. AlexMaeghan (talk) 16:10, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @AlexMaeghan Try these: WP:TUTORIAL and WP:REFBEGIN. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:CITE doesn't help? Also see Citation templates for a list of templates for newspapers, websites, etc. with all the parameters (and you need not include values for parameters that you don't know). ~Anachronist (talk) 16:20, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Advise you practice creating refs in your Sandbox, only after satisfied, move those to articles. I keep examples of website, sci journal and book refs in my Sandbox, then use those as models to create new refs. Blogs are rarely considered reliable source references, and very rarely for any medical/health topics. This is why an experienced editor reverted all of your edits. David notMD (talk) 17:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Question by Contributionwikki
Why my two articles are not accepted yet, please can you accepted. Contributionwikki (talk) 17:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You submitted those drafts yesterday. There are hundreds of drafts waiting for a reviewer. Could be as long as a week. Teahouse hosts are (mostly) not also reviewers. David notMD (talk) 17:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy links: Draft:Eni Çobani and Draft:Klara Castanho. RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 17:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Help me in finding toolbox to go to email user for the purpose with user:Brunei
Hello. I'm Adam Daniel, whom my Slavic Ukrainian name is Lyubomyr Khaledovych Bilyovych, I'm from Malaysia. I would like to plead you for this thing: Now I'm knowing more about user:Brunei in the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia. She told me to email her through the page user:Brunei, which is go through email user. The sign "email user" is at the toolbox part of the page, but I didn't see the part of the page called "toolbox" so that I can go to email user? Help me to go to toolbox and then the "email user" part in the user:Brunei page please? I'm now knowing about the user:Brunei, whom she knows about my country, Malaysia. Is there's a problem with my Samsung tablet Wikipedia page? I'm using the Samsung tablet. Thank you. Adamdaniel864 (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the teahouse! to email another user go to Special:EmailUser and enter their username in the form. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 14:20, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On their uk.wiki talk page, Brunei has explained exactly what you need to do, in detail. There is nothing else that any editor at English Wikipedia can do to assist you with that. --bonadea contributions talk 17:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

I could follow what user:Brunei has guided me, but I only have one email for Wikipedia. Sorry, it would take me a long time to get it proper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamdaniel864 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there any beginner's guidance for AfC (reviewer or something)?
I want to approve Articles for Creations, but I am not even sure about my own articles. I am scared I will mess up all the submissions, so is there any demo or guidance I can get which I can follow? Excellenc1📞 06:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you read WP:AFCR? --David Biddulph (talk) 06:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I somehow watch another user submit an article and learn that way? (Or probably I'll leave the thought because I am not yet stable about reliablilty and independence in sources) Excellenc1📞 07:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Excellenc1, yes of course you can watch what happens to other people's creations. (However, if you are unwilling to read and digest WP:AFCR, you shouldn't work as an AfC reviewer.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

I did read WP:AFCR. That is why I made the comment "I am not yet stable about reliablilty and independence in sources". Excellenc1📞 13:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Excellenc1 You can also look at another reviewer's contributions, such as Theroadislong.&#8213; Qwerfjkl talk  19:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there a place that says if a source is OK to use?
I know because I was told that we can't use the Internet Movie Database in footnotes. The Internet Speculative Fiction Database seems OK, but I wanted to check (I'm looking at the page http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Kim_Newman, in order to work on Kim Newman). Is there s list someplace of others pages like IMDb that we can't use? I found the page Deprecated sources, but IMDb isn't on it, so is there another page? Thank you for any help. I'm still new. The Horror, The Horror (talk) 19:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi The page you're looking for is WP:Perennial sources. Happy reading!  Princess Persnickety   (talk)  19:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you Princess Persnickety   (talk) ! Can I ask one more thing? I see some footnotes in articles have archival links for when the original web page is gone. I know the Wayback Machine and I think I can model the footnote format by copy-pasting ones that I see, but is there an instruction page for this? Help:Footnotes didn't seem to have anything about this. The Horror, The Horror (talk) 19:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * No problem. I actually don't know the answer to your second question but someone will be along soon enough who will :) Princess Persnickety   (talk)  19:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * if you go up just a few topics you will see this exact question is answered. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 19:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you McMatter (talk)/(contrib)! I found it at WP:CITE. "For most citation templates, archive locations are entered using the |archive-url=, |archive-date= and |url-status= parameters. The primary link is switched to the archive link when |url-status=dead. This retains the original link location for reference."


 * I'm sorry, I have one other question. I went from WP:Perennial sources to the most recent discussions about the Internet Speculative Fiction Database. A discussion at Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 273 ends with this:


 * "Thanks for your input. Based upon the other examples mentioned above, the biographical material at ISFDB appears to be just WP:USERGENERATED and should be avoided when other verifiable sources that would satisfy WP:BLP are unavailable. -- 147.202.209.1 (talk) 00:46, 28 September 2019 (UTC)"


 * But that just an IP address saying that. No one has commented after that. The discussion above it I think leads to that conclusion, that the bibliography stuff is ok but not the biographical stuff. Should I remove biographical claims at Kim Newman that are footnoted to ISFDb? I would try to find other sources for those biographical claims.


 * It feels like everytime I get a question answered it leads to more questions. :) Thank you everyone for being helpful and patient with me. The Horror, The Horror (talk) 20:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Based on a quick look,, the Internet Speculative Fiction Database website has editing tools on the left-hand side of pages, which would appear to confirm that the content is user-generated (and therefore not considered reliable for the purposes of Wikipedia). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you Cordless Larry (talk)! I had my suspicion because of IMDb. I'll got to Kim Newman now and remove the ISFDb and try to find reliable biography sources. Thanl you again everyone! The Horror, The Horror (talk) 20:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Why my articles are not accepted?
Why my articles are not accepted? Contributionwikki (talk) 19:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have two submitted drafts, both of which are pending review. It should occur fairly soon, please be patient. 331dot (talk) 20:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I would suggest you reading the response to your question 3 topics above this one. Hounding or asking the same question over and over will not get the results you hope for. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 20:02, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * This has been answered above at . --CiaPan (talk) 20:07, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , Draft:Eni Çobani may take quite a while (maybe several months) to be reviewed, as few of en:Wikipedia's reviewers can read Albanian. Maproom (talk) 21:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

How to Add Pictures and Headlines to the Picture
Hello, So I was just wondering how I can add a picture as well as a heading and information about the picture, you know, it can be in a darker box and stuff. That was all, thanks! Pixomite (talk) 22:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , I was about to give you some helpful links; however, your list of (textual) contributions shows that most have been reverted. Please learn what you should be doing with text before potentially compounding problems by adding images. Do you have a question about the edits you've made so far? -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , no, the edits were made because they either didn’t agree with putting it in the lead or there was no source (because I’m just a beginner, I don’t really know how to make sources I just use what I've been using off a piece of paper). So yeah, I’ve learned my lessons and stuff, so you can continue.

Space for this history, or dump it in the Bay?
I know there's a category named History of computing hardware but is there a particular place I could fit in some of what, for a while, was Datability? Aside from a wikilink-less mention in Local Area Transport about Datability's being "an early provider" all their stuff is nowhere on Wikipedia. Datability was acquired by Penril Datacomm (also no article), which renamed as Penril Datability Datacomm. Penril was acquired by Bay Networks. The latter was acquired by Northern Telecom (Nortel). Dr. google locates the line in Bay Networks that reads
 * Penril Datability Networks (November, 1996) - Dial-up modems and remote access products based on Digital Signal Processing technology. Pi314m (talk) 22:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * As you know, Pi314m, the article on Datability was deleted as the result of this AFD. So, what could one do with the very little that was in that article? You might ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing/Computer hardware task force. -- Hoary (talk) 01:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Larry Elder
The Wikipedia coverage of Larry Elder leaves his Social Issues blank. Elder's anti-gay, anti-abortion stances are well-known. My question: Why does Wikipedia think it is OK to leave something this important out of its coverage? 2603:8001:2302:180D:818D:ABD7:6DDC:991A (talk) 18:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC) What is a "tilde"? If you are requesting my titles, I am an 85-year-old retired professor of Asian art history (UChicago PhD '70), with posts at the UW, Seattle (1966-1987), Pepperdine U, Malibu (1987-2004), and Bukkyo U., LA and Kyoto (2004-2016).
 * This is a tilde: ~
 * You find it typically on the left-apostrophe key, to the left of the numeral "1" key. If you use four of them in a row, the Wiki software substitutes your signature.
 * And, if something "well known" cannot be found in reliable sources (say, it's found only on blogs, forums, facebook pages, etc.) then we cannot include it per WP:BLP. Find a source and it can go in. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Professor! When you find reliable sources, you can post at Talk:Larry Elder to suggest improvements to the article based on the sources you provide.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, given that the article is not currently protected, you can add content directly to the article (as long as you add properly formatted references at the same time). Given your new status, you may want to consider registering an account, and then using your Sandbox to practice referencing. Or, as GoingBatty wrote, make suggestions on the Talk page with the hope that someone else may act on those. David notMD (talk) 01:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Hyun Seung-hee
Could someone please fix the table I have for the soundtracks on my draft? I only need the 4 rows I have. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 01:16, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Btspurplegalaxy, I have fixed that for you.  EN  - Jungwon  02:16, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Benioff Ocean Initiative
I would just like someone to review my sources so I can get a second opinion on whether or not my article will be accepted. Sophiach5 (talk) 03:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Which article, Sophiach5? (I don't see Draft:Benioff Ocean Initiative.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Classifying music genre on song pages
Hello, I'm new here and trying to learn about and contribute to music pages. There is a song by The Wallflowers, called "The Difference" which was nominated for a Grammy for Best Rock Song in 1998. That citation was pre-existing; all I did was add the Genre "rock" to the Infobox song template. The changes were reverted, and the user stated that just because a song gets nominated for a Rock Grammy, doesn't make it a rock song.

I do see some other songs where in the infobox there is a citation to another source listed (so it's not somebody's "personal" opinion) that states the genre. My question is can I cite a outside source, and if so -- can I just reference the Grammy nomination? I would assume that would be recognized as a usable source for genre? If someone can advise me on this, I'm happy to learn. --UnsungHeroWiki (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! As part of the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I suggest you create a post on the article talk page - Talk:The Difference (The Wallflowers song) - and discuss this with the editor who reverted your edit and other interested editors. See also Template:Infobox song.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Requesting help removing tag
Regarding the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Bacolas I was advised to come here from the wiki team email to request help removing a tag on my page. I'd like to request another editor to review the citations and clean-up anything that they find that's errant info, and to revise accordingly and remove the tag. All info has been cited and sourced accurately and researched extensively. Much appreciated if another editor can verify. Thank you. Juliusbear007 (talk) 03:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC).
 * Each of the photos in Johnny Bacolas that I clicked on is your "own work". Perhaps this is why the article has a COI tag. Please start by explaining a little on Talk:Johnny Bacolas. (Or are you asking about some other tag?) -- Hoary (talk) 04:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. The tag I'm referring to is at the top of the page. Can you assist in removing this by verifying or rewriting the text in question?
 * If you mean "A major contributor to this article ...", at the top of Johnny Bacolas, then please start the process by kicking off the advertised discussion on Talk:Johnny Bacolas. -- Hoary (talk) 04:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, just posted the request. Was it posted correctly? Yes you correctly identified the tag I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliusbear007 (talk • contribs) 04:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Your post to Talk:Johnny Bacolas was not correct, as you added your paragraph in the middle of another section. I have fixed this for you.  Based on  and the fact that all your edits to Wikipedia are to articles related to Bacolas, I am presuming you are Johnny Bacolas.  Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia.  Please declare your conflict of interest on your user page and stop editing articles about yourself or your bands.  Instead, you may post suggestions to the articles' talk pages with the request edit template so other Wikipedians can review your requests and make the edits for you.    GoingBatty (talk) 05:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Pending Revision Awaiting Review
Hello Teahouse,

I made some corrections to a page on 4 August but it does not reflect in "read." It says: "The latest accepted version was accepted on 3 August 2021. There is 1 pending revision awaiting review." The pending revision is obviously mine.

How much time the review may take?

Thanks. Sanskritysinha (talk) 16:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! With a volunteer encyclopedia, it's difficult to estimate when anything will be done.  I reverted your edit because there were some grammar issues, and remade some of the changes manually.  GoingBatty (talk) 16:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * . I notice that you have incorrectly flagged all your edits as minor. Please see Help:Minor edit to learn what constitutes a minor edit.--Shantavira|feed me 17:13, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanskritysinha (talk • contribs) 06:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikimedia appeal - request for help
I am trying to find a solution to a problem around copyright content for Wikipedia images and could do with a gentle nudge in the right direction. Wikimedia appears to allow original content but there are grey areas where ownership is concerned, which where I am getting into a tangle. For instance, I own a portrait of a notable person who was described in a Wikipedia biography - so I took a photograph of the portrait (the artist died 200 years ago - so no legacy copyright laws apply) and submitted the photograph to bring the biography to life with a real image. I am now told that the license I applied (as my own work because I took the photograph) is bogus and it will be taken down.

Can anyone advise?

I have 17 similar entries and am being threatened with mass extinction! Guy WF Loftus (talk) 07:55, 5 August 2021 (UTC) Guy WF Loftus (talk) 07:55, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Guy WF Loftus, this really is something you should ask about on Commons, not here; and I am no expert on either Commons matters or copyright. Those disclaimers out of the way, if your account of what took place is correct (and of course I have no reason to doubt it), then you were indeed wrong, however innocent your intentions. If I have access to a circa-two-hundred-year old portrait, and if I then photograph it -- straightforwardly, without adding what might arguably be described as original/artistic touches (cf the fashion for "appropriation" perpetrated by various artists) -- then the resulting JPEG is not my "own work"; it is instead the work of the circa-two-hundred-year dead artist. So what you should do is change the licensing deets, removing any claim of copyleft and instead declaring that the work is in the public domain. -- Hoary (talk) 08:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hoary, many thanks for your rapid response. That has made the transgression much easier to understand - thank you very much. All I have to do now is find out how to remove claims of copyright by altering the licensing deeds (?) and declaring it public domain (sounds like two actions there), which I may find using a popular search engine.  Is that right?Guy WF Loftus (talk) 08:28, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Guy WF Loftus, "licensing details", I should have said. Please see commons:Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag. Incidentally, to the best of my inexpert understanding, the ownership of the painting is irrelevant. If your artist did a pair of portraits and one currently belongs to you and the other to your sworn enemy, me, and if you manage to photograph "my" portrait as well as "yours", then the two JPEGs are equally eligible to receive the PD-Art tag. -- Hoary (talk) 09:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks Hoary - I'm on it!Guy WF Loftus (talk) 09:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

How to edit semi-edit request to completed
Hi, i was reading about the pandemic in china and came across a semi-protection update request which i concur is factual and should be added into the article. I have already added in the requested portion. How do I follow up with the semi-protect request to state that is is resolved or completed? The wikipedia page and Talk Page request is for this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:COVID-19_pandemic_in_mainland_China

Thank you! Atom105 (talk) 09:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * is the template you're looking for.
 * You should also update the  template to   to indicate the request has been resolved. Hope this helps! Zudo (talk • contribs) 09:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks!! Atom105 (talk) 10:15, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Learning how to monitor new changes and preventing vandalism
Hello everyone. I am an AFC reviewer and with the backlog being cleared, I have more time in hand and I thought I should also learn how to monitor any new changes and prevent vandalism. Can someone redirect me to right project pages and resources? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't do it regularly, so when I do, I just click "recent changes" on the left sidebar. But check out WP:RCP and WP:CVU if you want to really get into it. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, will check this out! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 10:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Review of Articled KGK Group
I created article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:KGK_Group can you review and suggest your inputs Prashank321 (talk) 06:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Prashank321, I got as far as, but then gave up. (Wikipedia is not a PR outlet. It is an encyclopedia.) And you'd been warned: had already written "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia." My suggestion to you is: Give up. Forget the draft. After a few months, it will be deleted. -- Hoary (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

okay thanks for your suggestion i will get more insightful information and rewrite this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prashank321 (talk • contribs)
 * I removed all the puffery from the draft. Per your Talk page, you have denied paid. Clarify if WP:COI applies. A weakness of the draft as it now exists is that it documents what KGK Group - a family owned business - does, but needs more references that are what people have published about the company. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Feedback on article draft
Hi, just wondering if anyone could review a draft I've resubmitted; it's been declined twice and the reviewers left me some great feedback on what to work on. I just want to know what to improve on before it's reviewed, and if I've missed anything that the reviewers have told me to change. It would help a lot, Thanks. Huey117 (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Here's the draft: Draft:Matt Maltese

Huey117 (talk) 12:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft needs to include reliable sources; sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy; that are not primarily connected to the subject, and there must be significant coverage in these sources. Sources such as YouTube, Spotify etc would not be considered reliable. You can read more about what is required in musician-related articles in particular at Notability_(music), which lists a lot of helpful criteria to see if a musician is notable. Cheers, Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 13:22, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the feedback, I'll definitely read more into it. Huey117 (talk) 13:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, let us know if you have any other questions. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 13:37, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

How to delete my own draft?
I want to delete Draft:Autobus de Marseille. Excellenc1📞 15:33, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You can place  at the top of the page, and an admin will delete it for you.  RudolfRed (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I have done so now. Thank you. Excellenc1📞 15:49, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Valerie Broussard draft
The time to review has rapidly contracted it's now showing only 7 days. This is quite an acceleration from the 7 months I was shown and expected when I began. Valerie is on Twitter but she has become non-responsive, I don't expect to have further communication with her, and without pertinent biographical details it wouldn't be possible for me to add more to the draft.

Link - Valerie_Broussard

This page also seems to be missing a template, could someone provide a hint or perhaps a link to a resource that would make her photo stick in the right location on the page. Looks odd the way it is. Thank you. Missbellanash (talk) 07:49, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I have fixed the photo positioning. Tips: (i) Don't call her "Valerie"; call her "Broussard". (ii) If I understand you correctly, you are depending, or would like to depend, on what your biographee says about herself. If so, no: Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable, independent sources. (iii) Descriptive prose is odd: "An established presence", "evocative voicing", "immediate presence", "an implication of almost 'lazy' expression", "easy to listen", etc: What do these mean? (In particular, evoking what?) And in whose opinion? -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There are three parts here, the first and last have been rectified (I replied to you about that terminology either here, or somewhere else(?)..
 * No, I am not using her words. I AM including pertinent information she and her agent have given me. Birth year, a list of songs - and not much more. She clarified that a part /or/ one of her jobs is a vocal engineer (I did not know such a classification exists, but does), there were a few links to other resources.
 * That's all I've gotten from my brief communication with her. I have no desire to promote her, her work product, or to further her career. There is absolutely no COI between Broussard and myself, I do not know this person. Comeon' guys.
 * Currently, as I have stated in the past, I am not convinced Valerie's notability rises to or exceeds the Wikipedia standard. That said, there are certain exceptions that in some cases lower the BLP notability standard, or maybe even remove it. That's all I have to say about WP's exceptions to notability at this point.
 * My draft as a BLP should probably not be read as 'a' finished product. I am not a great biographer. My intent for this is to gather facts and make flat-statements, unacceptable editorializations can be remarked on or requested to be removed, or I suppose, some other editor may remove it. We're talking about procedure and process, and regardless of how much I've read (on Wikipedia) I'm still not certain where this leads - from here? And ...I'm not certain I should even be concerned about it. An article on Wikipedia about Valerie Broussard does exactly zero for me, I just found a person who has navigated their way through the US music industry, has had many good jobs, produced a lot of songs, makes them available, performs to audiences as large as 100,00 people, and who uses 'new media' to spread the word. These facts about her career speak loud. But I also see a gap and a shortcoming of information when her fans and other interested parties cannot access a simple Wikipedia article for basic info about an accomplished and productive person.
 * Remaining Problems - I think this is where we're at with Broussard. I have developed a version of her BLP, thus when I re-read it that version reads and sounds like a right version. Self-confirming bias there, what I said is what I said "so it must be right". I don't believe I can personally reconstruct it to meet the needs of the reviewers.
 * And I have gotten bored with it. This has gained the attention of one editor @Hoary and a few commenters (as far as I know). I do appreciate all of your input, however the perceived weight of a second rejection is probably more than I'm willing to fight for. Missbellanash (talk) 22:51, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My comment above has a typo, it should be "performed live for an audience of 100,000" (hundred thousand). Missbellanash (talk) 01:25, 28 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . As Hoary indicates, more details from Broussard are irrelevant - indeed, they may make it harder for you to write an article about her, because you may be misled into putting what she says into the article. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey @ColinFine - I have covered this in my reply above. I don't have any interest in promoting Brossard at all and neither she nor her agent have offered or provided me with any information that could be used to promote her. K'?
 * It has not become difficult to remain impartial, it HAS become difficult to detach myself from my own writing and I don't know what I can do about it rn. Missbellanash (talk) 23:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Uploading of images (biography article)
I wish to upload an image of my father (I have already declared my interest in the subject) as part of an article. The image concerned is a passport photo. My questions are: a. Is it reasonable to assume that the copyright of a picture taken in a photo booth remains with the subject? b. As inheritor of my father's estate, I assume that his copyright has passed to me. If I am correct, How should I express this on the standard Wikipedia upload form? It seems misleading to tick the box saying "I took the photo". Many thanks in advance for your advice. Honza Giles (talk) 11:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not an expert in image use, but I do know that the copyright of a photo typically belongs to the photographer, not the person depicted in the image, unless the depcited person has a contract granting them copyright or there is some other circumstance.  If the image was created by your government, it might be in the public domain, but it depends on your government's laws. 331dot (talk) 11:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert on copyright either, but my view on the situation is this. By posing for the photograph, your father was effectively "commissioning" the photograph, and thus copyright would lie with him. If you were his next of kin, such copyright would have passed to you. You might do better copying this section over to WP:MCQ (noting that it's been copied from Teahouse), where copyright experts are more likely to be found. Mjroots (talk) 11:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , if your father is no longer living, then it is possible that you will be able to upload the picture to Wikipedia (not Commons) as non-free. You need to make sure that all the criteria in the WP:NFCC are met. --ColinFine (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Why does my draft go into edit mode when I hit the link for submitting the article for review?
The link for submitting the article appears to go into edit mode Effectivenow (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Effectivenow, when you press the button, it adds the relevant code; all you need to do is press publish. If you want I can submit the article on behalf of you? —  Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 16:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Why does my draft go into edit mode when I hit the link for submitting the article for review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Effectivenow (talk • contribs)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears you accidentally deleted a left brace from the template.  I restored it for you, so you should be able to click the button.  However, it appears you have some statements that don't have a corresponding reference, so please add the references before submitting.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears you accidentally deleted a left brace from the template.  I restored it for you, so you should be able to click the button.  However, it appears you have some statements that don't have a corresponding reference, so please add the references before submitting.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

How and When i will be a Autoconfirmed user. I want to contribute my Knowledge on Wikipedia.
I want to publish my knowledge on Wikipedia. When and How i will be a Autoconfirmed user? AmjadSyed7 (talk) 16:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, glad to hear that you want to help with Wikipedia. You will become an auto confirmed user when your account is at least 4 days old and you made more than 10 edits. For more info see this page on user access levels. thank you Trains2050 (talk) 16:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmjadSyed7 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles into a book
Printing books

Hello!

I have come upon this issue for many times now, and have been manually making books for myself. The thing is, i do not like to read long texts on the computer screen so whenever i am really interested in something, i want to have it on my bookshelf to read it in my own pace and with no technology involved, since i try to live with less technology around me as possible.

I have this idea, and am asking if its made allready or not.

There would be a link on the sidebar on the wikipedia, wich would allow me to enter an article to print into a book and send to my mailbox. Personally, since i am a poor artist, i wouldnt buy them from there, but i would still use the *program which would be able to make me an actually print-ready set of a4-s, which i could bind together by hand. This is what i'v been doing when i have had an interest in an article. I could take up this assignment though, and make it into something, that would start with the user, pressing a button "into a book" then adding articles, givin a mark for how many links down it goes, and other options, (what format, where to send, compact design-or beautiful), then pay some sum of money and wait for a week or two until it arrives at the persons doorstep. In that way the user could also say a big thank you to wikipedia, and know that a part of the sum is to keep wikipedia alive.

I just printed out articles for myself to learn to heart, i was extremely interested in the Biases, especially cognitive biases. I dont know any other place where this kind of book would be offered at, and human psychology is such a moving subject that many things change yearly. And since i am interested enough to use the biases as a learning material for myself, then i made the effort to have the book.

In my potential and good wishes for society, i think i could make it happen. All i would need to start is a number clients xD

Heres what my process looked like at the moment (with no programming involved):

1.Get link of article i didnt get to use the printable version of the wikipedia since of some error 2.Get .jpeg of the whole article i used website screenshot.guru 3.Cut .jpeg into size, for book used irfan batch convert 4.Print from mspaint in a library changed some settings on paint and on the printer and got the layout for printing ready 5.Folding and needling Put holes on the back of book and needled it together

If all this could be made available by one press of button, would be very awesom :)

This could be done with programming, setting up the manufacturing process from file to book, and hiring someone to send the book.

I am an entrepeneur-artist from Estonia, my website is www.kujuk.wordpress.com, facebook.com/kopsaju

I understand, the licensing would not be a problem. I do think i am not alone with this wish for having a few articles printed out as actual books.

So i was thinking i can take the freedom to play around with the idea of "book". For me, the concept of wikipedia, and the concept of book, are very interesting to intertwine with eachother. I bet this idea is not a new one, maybe it has been a raw one, or a useless one? I see a change in the wind coming soon, from technology back into touchable items. If not in a big way, then at least, some small community. The most coolest thing about making books in this way would be the designable interior. You could intertwine the subjects in what ever way you need! With no effort. For some, maybe even the articles themselves aren't that interesting, but the referenced material lists would be interesting. How cool would that be - i have an interest in a new subject, dont know what to read, hit in the keyword, take 4 links down, print everything with only a sentence of description, and all the references to the books which contain them, and have this Wikipedia Book in my shelf, an extremely large overview on the whole subject - In a week with no interaction other than pressing a button on a screen??

Also, i have ideas to test out different ways of design, which i would be MORE than happy to make an option for anyone! Kipsaju (talk) 16:17, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Your general idea was one that had already been implemented (see WP:Books) but has recently been abandoned for reasons outlined on the linked page. Any individual article can be turned into a .pdf using one of the menu items to the left of all pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

People editing other people's profiles
Who can control what's written here? how can Wikipedia accept that people write that about Michael Yeadon? Myself and my friends have lost over 50 people due to side effects of the vaccine, and no people to Covid19. People need the truth and even in Wikipedia they are manipulating results. Disgraceful. Time to act people x 86.18.226.150 (talk) 10:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have "profiles", not a single one.  Wikipedia has articles.  Those articles are not the property of the subject, and are typically written by independent editors, summarizing what independent reliable sources say about the subject.  If you have specific errors you wish to point out and reliable sources to support your claims, or can describe how the sources are not being summarized accurately, please make an edit request on the article talk page, detailing the nature of the errors.  If you disagree with what the sources say, but they are being summarized accurately, you will need to take that up with the sources. Wikipedia does not deal in truth, but in what can be verified.  Only you can decide what is true for you; this is why Wikipedia presents the sources to readers, so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. Wikipedia makes no claims that the information here is "true", only that it can be verified. 331dot (talk) 10:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Query is about content at Michael Yeadon. He has taken an anti-vaccine position. If there is published reliable source evidence that what he claims to be true is in fact true, that can be added to the articles about the vaccines. What you 'personally know' is not considered verified evidence. David notMD (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Also keep in mind that, as pointed out, these are not profiles owned by the individuals or entities they are discussing. These are articles and anyone can edit them as long as they follow the guidelines and policies of Wikipedia. I want to reiterate a point made by too. Wikipedia doesn't make claims that the information is "true" or "facts", this is a common misconception, the encyclopedia is based on verifiable information. If reputable independent sources get it wrong then Wikipedia will be wrong because our articles are based on information from those reputable sources. -- A Rose  Wolf  16:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft ambiguities
Hi everyone, I am invited to let a discussion here about my draft. Do someone can tell me what's wrong with it which contains improvement of references to ameliorate the article? Example, I retrieved the current last two references, which are now dead links in the article, from Internet Archive. If someone see promotional material in this draft, please specify it here, I can fix it by suggestions from others, because currently I don't see nothing promotional.--Skycrapyrus (talk) 05:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Skycrapyrus: Welcome to the Teahouse. As reviewer Robert McClenon has noted, an article already exists at Consumers Distributing. As an aside, do not copy text over from the article into the draft without properly attributing it. It appears you have been asked if you have a conflict of interest with the subject, and the question remains unanswered, which is one part of the rejection. If the concern is that you can't directly edit Consumers Distributing because it's extended confirmed protected, leave an edit request on its talk page with exactly what you want to add or change, and provide reliable sources to support the proposed changes. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My draft is about an amelioration of article. All the reliable sources are in my draft. Other users can consult them. I don't know how to make an edit request on the talk page. Do you know how? Thanks anyway for this suggestion, I will try to know how to do that.--Skycrapyrus (talk) 06:17, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've provided a link above. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I tried to do the best I could. I discovered a submit an edit request by clicking on view source at the article. It redirected me to the talk page of the article. --Skycrapyrus (talk) 06:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As Tenryuu said, make an edit request and specify "exactly what you want to add or change". The above replies did not mean to "submit my [your] draft as an edit request". We are not going to completely replace the existing article with your draft.  Meters (talk) 07:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As Meters said, I did not suggest submitting your entire draft as an edit request. Find the areas in the article where you want changes to be made and describe them explicitly in your request, then describe verbatim what content should be added or changed with a reliable source to back up the request. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It is very difficult with more than twenty reliable sources in my draft. Once the draft published, it can always be fixed if there's something wrong. I tried to specify the best as possible. --Skycrapyrus (talk) 07:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Skycrapyrus To be blunt: that will not happen. Ever! If an article already exists, we fix that one - we do not publish another version of it. So focus on what needs changing or adding to the original version, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The name of the AFC process is Articles for Creation. It is used to create new articles from drafts on topics that do not have an article.  It is not uncommon for submitters to think that it can also be used to submit revised versions of existing articles, but that is not and never has been how AFC is used.  Submitting a draft to AFC when there already is an article is a mistake, a misunderstanding of what the process is for.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's the original improved version, but with additions here and there all over the place, it's pretty much impossible without all this draft. If anyone could take a little time to read it, they would see it ... One thing that can help is that the Store format section has no changes, it's identical.--Skycrapyrus (talk) 07:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I will try to specify step by step here:

In infobox: there's no Inc. on name. This evidence first is promotional. Type line is more adequate with Subsidiary, number of locations is 219 in Ca and 153 in US that should be fixed in the first paragraph with addition of source (ref name="aggressive") like in the draft. Key people line with the name of the 3 former chief executive officer and fixing year of parent company line (see draft).

In History section: removing Sydney Druckman name at beginning, not reliable sources mentioning that name. Add a reference from Macleans magazine and a second already in the article with ref name="woes" next to the first sentence (see draft). Separate two first sentences to create a paragraph.


 * Don't do this here. The article talk page is the place to discuss changes. Meters (talk) 08:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

To recap - An article exists about Consumers Distributing, so you are barred from creating an article about this topic. Secondly, the existing article is protected, so you are barred from editing the article. Your only recourse is to make entries on the Talk page of the article, proposing specific changes (replace X with Y, or add section titled ___). Other editors will implement your proposed changes or reject. Rather than a massive, do-all-this-at-once, try proposing a modest change first. If that succeeds, then another modest change. Yours is not the first time an editor has proposed replacing an entire article with their version (someone tried that with the Grateful Dead article!!), but this is never allowed. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The article is extended-confirmed protected because there has been a long history of promotional edits by relatively new accounts making conflict of interest edits. So any edits must be either made by established editors or approved by established editors.  Because of the history of conflict of interest editing and promotional editing, we, the neutral editors, ask every new or newish editor whether they have a conflict of interest.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You always say promotional edits but never specify an example, all my draft is neutral with reliable sources. A great example of what I made on my draft: the current last two references added by an established user are now dead links and I retrieved them on Internet Archive.--Skycrapyrus (talk) 16:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you that's what I beginning to do on the talk page of the article.--Skycrapyrus (talk) 14:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Be patient and be precise and you should succeed. David notMD (talk) 15:53, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That's what I do by discussing…--Skycrapyrus (talk) 16:35, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Help find a template that adjusts wording based on preferred gender
Can somebody direct me to any userbox template that will adjust wording based on preferred gender? I would like to make a new one, but I can't remember what the code is. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 18:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the teahouse! To make a template that has different behaviour depending upon the gender of a user you'll want to use the gender magic word  - this produces m_out, f_out or u_out depending upon which gender the user has selected. To input the user's name automatically when the box is placed on their userpage you can use   in place of user. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 19:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Do you have a link to an actual userbox with this feature? —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 19:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Writers for Hire
I'm seeing some services offered online. In general, are these legit? Do you recommend any services or writers specifically? Thank you! Bekwright (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bekwright: Welcome to the Teahouse. Never offer money for these services when any content they add could be reverted for any number of reasons. Experience and a proper understanding of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines will be what keeps appropriate content on articles. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Legitimate paid editing is possible,, but very often these services are a scam or will take money and then disappear when the content gets deleted. See Orangemoody editing of Wikipedia for a particularly egregious case. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input! Just feeling disheartened about the process from my end. Bekwright (talk) 19:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * See also Articles for creation/Scam warning. Kleinpecan (talk) 19:26, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , if there is a particular subject you feel should have an article on Wikipedia it would be better to look for a project that may be associated with that subject or find an experienced editor here on Wikipedia that could possibly assist you rather than looking for a paid editor to write an article. As points out, it is possible, but, as  points out, its best not to pay for these services because scams abound and paying for services does not guarantee an article in the end. -- A Rose  Wolf  20:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, thank you for being intelligent enough to ask this brilliant question, please do not pay a dime, nothing whatsoever to anyone offering their services, chances are they are either too inexperienced to know to follow our policy on WP:PAYDISCLOSE or they are blatantly scamming you. They can indeed create an article for you (knowing fully well the article would be deleted because it probably does not meet our notability threshold see WP:GNG) When they have done this botched job they tell you to click on a URL, indeed this may lead to a real article on yourself but as aforementioned they know in due time it would be deleted so what they tend to do is inundate and overwhelm you by rushing you to make payment or else (inset their lies) The unassuming individual is too happy, pays immediately only for them to check later on and see they have no article as it would have been then deleted and by that time the person who created the article for you would have been long gone, thus, “the scam”. Furthermore, this is just an advice, an article about yourself on Wikipedia seems exciting to people but it isn’t necessarily a good thing. See WP:FAMOUS. Celestina007 (talk) 20:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Check out WP:PAIDLIST. Chances are the writer services you find are on that list. None of them are legitimate. Many of them are blocked but keep creating sockpuppets. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:44, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Panathinaikos B
Where would I make a plea that a page be nominated for deletion? I tried to research it to save it but there is nothing...Panathinaikos B is the current iteration - CaliBuds (talk) 01:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC) CaliBuds (talk) 01:53, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . You can found out more about this in WP:DELETION, but bascially there are three types of deletion process on Wikipedia: tagged for speedy deletion, proposed for deletion and nomimated for deletion. Before you start a deletion process, however, you might want to ask about the article first at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football to see what some others might think. The article was created about a month ago and it doesn't look like it ever received a proper review or assessment from any members of that WikiProject. It's possible the a member or some members of WikiProject Football might feel there's a viable alternative to deleting the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Marchjuly not sure it's worth the work but I appreciate the info! CaliBuds (talk) 13:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I have found some Greek sources and I will try to improve the article Castiruiz (talk) 23:20, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Peter Wise Casting Director: CSA /Producer/Actor/Writer
What you have posted here is content for a draft article. See WP:YFA for how to create and submit a draft for review. REFERENCES ARE REQUIRED (yes, I shouted that). IMBd is not an accepted reliable source reference, so you will have to find other sources. Same for his own studio's website, except for a limited type of factual statements. David notMD (talk) 03:24, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Peter Wise is a entertainment industry veteran for over 30 years. After a successful career in acting "The Doctors" Soap Opera, Wonder Women, Hill Street Blues, Columbo, Broadway: Open Admission, Regional: Amen Corner, First Breeze of Summer, Colored Museum. Wise decided to combine his eye for talent and experience to become a casting director. In 1990, he launched Peter Wise and Associates which soon became one of the most successful independently owned casting agencies with Wise becoming the most sought-after casting director on both the East and West coasts. His extensive list of casting credits for film, television and theater have garnered several awards and accolades from peers.

Wise was responsible for comprising the cast of “Smoky Joe’s Café” which was nominated for seven Tony Awards and received a Grammy for “Best Musical Show Album.” Wise’s cast selections received rave reviews for their performances that contributed greatly to the production becoming the longest musical revue on Broadway to date. As the casting director of record for the Equity national tour of “Jesus Christ Superstar,” he cast Ted Neely, Carl Anderson, Irene Cara and Dennis DeYoung.

In his theatrical production credits, Wise served dual roles as both casting director and producer for the pre-Broadway workshop of “Car Wash,” 2014 The Musical: A Norman Whitfield Story.” Prior to that, he received a personal invitation from director Debbie Allen to cast her adaptation of Tennessee Williams’, “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.” 2008 His cast of notable award nominated actors included James Earl Jones, Phylicia Rashad, Terence Howard, Boris Kodjoe, Anika Noni Rose and Giancarlo Esposito. On Broadway “Street Corner Symphony” Wise is often called upon to lend his expertise as a casting consultant for several critically acclaimed Off Broadway productions, such as “The Wiz”, “Twist” “Cheaters, Friends and Lovers, Men Money and Goldiggers.” His regional theater work includes “Ain’t MisBehavin,” “Bigger Than Bubble Gum,” “The Emotion’s Story”, “Sisterella”, “I Love You, You’re Perfect Now Change” and “Evita.” Las Vegas productions “Signed. Sealed & Delivered” the music of Stevie Wonder.

Recently, Wise expanded his impressive cache of casting accomplishments to include producing for film and television. His film & television production credits include, OutBreak Z Feature Film on The Urban Movie Channel (UMC.TV aka AllBlk.TV) 48th Annual Daytime Emmys “A HOUSE DIVIDED” Outstanding Limited Drama Series Nominee 2021. “Bronx SIU”, “Ladies Of The Law”, “Everything That Glitters”, “When It Comes Around” ”, Falling  In Love Again”, “Our Dream Christmas” 2018-2019  “One Love”  on Bounce TV, “Four Kings” Additional television credits include, “Life is Not a Fairy Tale:  The Fantasia Barrino Story,” directed by Debbie Allen, for Lifetime Television; “Unpredictable” a television variety special starring Jamie Foxx, Additionally Wise has produced several independent films such as “Pastor Shirley,” King James Diner,” “Act Like You Love Me,” “In Mysterious Ways,” He casted Nick Cannon’s feature film “SHE BALL” coming out this summer 2021, “Kevin Hart’s Untitled Sketch Comedy TV Series” “More Funny, More Laughs” 2016“ 4 Kings”  2016  “Kevin Hart’s, “Let Me Explain,” “Soul Ties,” “Christmas In Compton” and “Somebody’s Child.”

Mr. Wise was recognized for his outstanding achievements in the entertainment industry with the prestigious NAACP Theatre Spirit Award, Trumpet Award and a Grammy, for the Best Broadway Musical. Twelve years ago he launched Peter Wise Actor’s Studio non-profit 501.c3 in North Hollywood, California and wrote a Book on Acting entitled “Show Business Tools For The Actor” which has been implemented in the LA Unified school system Acting guides. For more information about the studio please visit, www.PWAStudio.org. For a full list of television and film credits visit www.IMDB.com, for theater credits visit www.IBDB.com

Born in New York Studied Acting at Hunter College tutelage of Lloyd Richards, The Neighborhood Playhouse Wynn Handman, Henry Street Settlement Dick Anthony Williams, Woodie King.

2 children Sons: Christian & Brent Wise

Biographical notability criteria
Hi i NEED help on how to improve the notability criteria of this article im writing. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Kevin_Gordon_(businessman)&action=edit&veswitched=0&section=new&preload=Template%3AAfC_submission%2FSubst&editintro=Template%3AAfC_submission%2FSubst%2FEditintroWriterday (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC) Writerday (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Draft:Kevin Gordon (businessman)
 * You have a misconception about what notability is. There's no way to "improve" the notability of a subject; either they are notable or they're not. The way to determine if they are is to check if there's "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (quoting WP:GNG). If there is, great! Use those sources in the article. If there isn't, the Wikipedia article shouldn't exist at all, and there's not much you can do about it. Looking through your sources right now, some of the sources don't go in depth about Gordon, the person, instead of his ventures. Some of them aren't independent of the subject: the BC and AP pieces are both press releases and therefore not independent. I'm not familiar on the reliability of Driving, and it reads slightly like an interview, but a piece like that one that goes into his biographical details is what you're looking for. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 04:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Pretty much what I told him on -en-help. The Driving source is the only one that's within sniffing distance of acceptability, let alone acceptable. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 04:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Add English article as a translation
So I translated an German article about the actress Theresa Scholze, but I have no idea how I can have it so that it’s listed as English on the side where the translations are. How can I do this? Thank you! FlantasyFlan (talk) 02:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * See the list of links on the left and look at the very bottom. You should see a "Languages" header: click "Add links" and fill that form out. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 03:50, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! FlantasyFlan (talk) 04:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

how to get images for wikipedia
Hello, I would like to create a wikipedia article on Karim Khakimov, who was an ambassador between the Soviet Union and Saudi Arabia. There are images of him online, and I was wondering if I needed to get permission from the owners of said images or if I could just copy-paste into the wikipedia article. Many Thanks DirkJandeGeer (talk) 10:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @DirkJandeGeer, yes you do need permission from the copyright holders to use an image on Wikipedia. Please see Help:Images and Donating copyrighted materials. — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 10:06, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Re- how to get images for wikipedia
Hello, I have found that there is a Russian Language wikipedia page which has some images of Karim Khakimov. Can I just use those? Thanks in advance. DirkJandeGeer (talk) 10:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, the images at ru:Хакимов,_Карим_Абдрауфович (at least the couple I checked) are on Wikimedia Commons with an appropriate copyleft license, so you're welcome to use them here too!
 * You can reference them like this:  or by name in a template. Zudo (talk • contribs) 10:30, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Redlinked user name
Anytime, when I publish anything and use four times the tilde, my name BENGUD shows up in RED. Perhaps this is because I've registered my account in the Netherlands. Also [TALK] shows up in RED. Can I be approached? Is action needed? Bengud (talk) 18:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, your user page and user talk page start as red links, which means the pages do not exist yet. If you would like to create a user page, you can do that by clicking the red link on Bengud. The talk page is meant for other people to send you messages. I have created a talk page for you. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 18:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! For more information on red links, see Red link.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 20:17, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Blue now. David notMD (talk) 22:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you all very much. I love being blue... Bengud (talk) 10:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Please help
i am being targeted by an user

Hi, i am a new editor here in wikipedia by account but i have been editing from a long time with my ip address. recently i wanted some changes to be made on the topic bhumihar which is semi-locked and when i suggested my edits a user named <sup style="color:#80f;font:'Candara';" said that Wikipedia works on quality content and i needed to give my reference which when i gave beside of reading and then replying me he suggested that i should be blocked but the other editors did not agree with him. i am currently working working on narayan dynesty and i came across many pages of them with minor information so for the same and i took the paragraphs from the page narayan dynesty which i had edited and took me hours and used it there. this gave the user another chance for taking my work down he put the page on draft without even discussing with me. is it right yo remove work without even discussing and this user is targeting me please take some actions and help Gaurav 3894 (talk) 10:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi ,
 * You are not a new user - you have been around long enough, also as an unregistered editor, to be aware that this project has its rules, policies and its own Manual of Style.
 * Your POV-pushing is tedious, you don't seem to understand that Wikipedia strives to present all the significant points of view as presented in reputable published sources. Several editors tried to reason with you at Talk:Bhumihar, to no avail.
 * Regretfully, you have been quite disruptive with your tedious edit requests containing similar statements and placed one after another under every possible heading at Talk:Bhumihar: and likely many of the previous IP edit requests with similar content.
 * You have copied text without attribution; explained to you on your Talk that this cannot be done, and she draftified one of "your" articles; I did the same with another article consisting purely of text you copied from another article. Still you don't seem to understand.
 * I'm sorry but your English is at times below the level required for the mainspace. I told you twice to use proper punctuation and capitalisation, and you are still obviously unable to understand it, as seen in the above paragraph.
 * I do recommend you to acquaint yourself with the rules of this encyclopaedia. I am placing a chart with links for you to study. In the meantime, I recommend you take a break from pushing your point of view on the Bhumihar and the Narayan dynasty. — kashmīrī  <sup style="color:#80f;font:'Candara';">TALK  11:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

hi ,<sup style="color:#80f;font:'Candara';">TALK 1- I am still understanding things for exaple i still do not know how to add attribution 2-it was very clear on the page of bhumihar whose POV-pushing. the only user who came to talk were you and another and still that time i only knew that reliable sources are the sources which have other sources to back them which is a general term and if you just go and the book you will find there are no reference for the statements made by the author. 3- the other 3 were by mistake which i have said but clearly you did not care to read them and then you say i am pov pushing.the IP adrees ones are not mine 4- Just tell me how should i write a new history the general topics would be same anyway the only difference would be in the language right ? and i copied just my edit which i made and which are completely different from the older ones kindly check. i thought that the edits i make are different so i have the copy right that'a why i did not add but if because of that reason you are removing my article then i will add it, better if you do it and add it on main article , as i said i didn't knew the wiki definition. 5- i accept that but in the article narayan dynasty it is fine. if you are saying this because of benares state then ya i accept it and i was going to edit it myself. in the talk page i dont that much care because after all it is not in the main space and you and all the other can understand. 6- as you are here then kindly read the book The Nationalization Of Hindu Traditions Bharatendu Harischandra And Nineteenth Century Banaras written by vasudha dalmia it has the things what i told you but are not reading the talk pageGaurav 3894 (talk) 12:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * If you even have the slidest suspicion that other people use your nickname or ip-adress in wiki, perhaps it is wise to change your password every week. If this doesn't solve the problem, check on your harddisk any files that are used recently. Open these files with a editor. This could be a key monitor (all keys pressed on your keyboard are written here). Remove this key monitor writing page and replace it with a read-only computer file (copy of autoexec.bat). Then renew your password again and the problem should be solved. Check also for anti-virus or anti hacker software. Bengud (talk) 11:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

dalits
Hlo few days before I edited a page of conent Bhoi, where there are some mistakes that they are lebeled as Untouchables or dalits which they are not.So after all I deleted the reservation and untouchable part but they restored repeateadly which they shouldn't.So all I wanna say plz don't publish there dalits or untouchable coz there ill be a big misunderstanding in the society. Y know a typical Indian mindset society.

Manjeet bhoi77 (talk) 09:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You have been reverted a number of times, to the point where, in my opinion you are being disruptive. You have been told to discuss it on the article talk page and that is what you should do. If you keep up your current activity you are heading headlong for a ban. Use the article talk page to discuss it. - X201 (talk) 10:06, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Rather than repeatedly removing content from Bhoi which other editors are then restoring, the ONLY place to make an argument for your position is on the Talk page of the article. There, it will be essential that you provide references in support. Also, if you look there, you will see from earlier discussions that you are not alone in disputing the labeling of Bhoi as Untouchables. All changes to existing articles require verification with reliable source references. Repeating the same edits without making your point at Talk and reaching a consensus with other editors is called "edit warring', which will result in you being initially temporarily blocked from editing. If you persist this could lead to a block on editing Bhoi, or a block on all editing. David notMD (talk) 11:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Send to the Chinese Wikipedia to make perfect the page of Veronika Matyunina of Ukraine
你好. 我是阿丹•丹尼尔 (Adam Daniel)，我的中文名字是李道连，我来自马来西亚，今年我是16岁. 我实际上是一名维基百科的编辑，在三年，从2018年，我对中文至斯拉夫语言有一点了解，尽管我的母语是马来语，而且我会说英语作为附加语言. 我想请你做这件事：你能不能把维罗妮卡•马图妮娜(Veronika Matyunina)的图片设置成一个大盒子，她来自乌克兰的，把她的信息做成一个大盒子，里面有国籍、出生日期等. 这样可以把页面升级得更好. talk 10:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the English Wikipedia. If you are looking for the Chinese Wikipedia, you'll find it at zh:. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 你好，如果你只说中文和马来语的话，请点击下方的两个链接：
 * ms:
 * zh:
 * (answering in zh)  Just ' i ' yaya  11:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Newspapers
I've seen mentions here and there that Wikipedia editors can get free access to newspapers.com, are there instructions somewhere on how to request access? TipsyElephant (talk) 11:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @TipsyElephant Are you looking for The Wikipedia Library?  Just ' i ' yaya  11:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's a direct link https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/  Just ' i ' yaya  11:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Are wiki guidelines subjective?
I've followed WP guidelines to the letter and continue to get denied on the following article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alison_Morrow

Morrow has 2 Emmy awards and a Sigma Delta Chi award in journalism. And her work has been referenced in federal and state law reviews. I have 13 references in my article that are independent sources including the Emmy web sites and the SDC web sites and other major news outlets other than her own.

This biography checks more boxes than the guidelines indicate are required. This subject is far more notable than many of the biographies on WP. So what else has to happen to get this article published? Stocatta (talk) 13:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Stocatta: Welcome to the Teahouse. Have you read the comments (prefaced with ) below the templated responses? There's also concern that you may be in an undisclosed paid relationship with Morrow or someone related, which is something you should clear up first; if you do have such a connection, please disclose it on your user page. When a reviewer has concerns over that, it usually also means that the draft isn't neutral in tone, and that it serves to promote the subject, which Wikipedia isn't interested in doing. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no relationship to Alison Morrow. She came up as a guest on a podcast I listen to and I was very impressed with her story. She is well respected in her field. I've been editing occasional articles on WP for a little while and wanted to take a stab at writing an article. But I'm shocked at the difficulty in getting published since I based my wording and approach on dozens of other biographies that are far more esoteric than Morrow. So are you recommending that I indicate in my user page that I have no association with each article subject that I take on? Stocatta (talk) 06:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I need more help determining where I'm supposed to state that I'm not affiliated with her or being paid by her. Isn't the first tenant of WP: "Assume good faith?" Why do I have a red box indicating I may be paid and violated terms of service. I've contributed to other articles. How did I get tagged as a paid writer? Stocatta (talk) 06:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Stocatta: You can state that you don't have a paid relationship with Morrow on the draft's talk page; I see you've done so already on your user talk page. You got tagged because the tone that was used wasn't encyclopedic, which causes reviewers to suspect the draft is written to promote. [...] since I based my wording and approach on dozens of other biographies [...] I would make sure the other articles you're using are up to snuff, because they might not be good examples themselves. You should emulate the style of articles that have reached the status of good or featured article. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I sincerely appreciate your guidance on this matter. I hope I don't waste too much of your time. But I still don't get it. I had no more than a few adjectives in my original article. I looked through the list of featured articles and just grabbed a couple of biographies. I am aware of Henry W. Sawyer and while I appreciate his contributions, I find several adjectives in the article that are subjective in nature. Some of these references do not match the narrative in the article to the letter. I don't find them major enough to edit, and my article seemed no more egregious. I'm certain that if he were in his thirties today, I would get push back form the WP community about his notoriety. I've always been impressed with how well the collective efforts on WP add value to the process and benefit the public. Frankly, I'm shocked at how difficult it is to get a simple biography on-boarded so the collective wisdom can opine and develop it. I don't claim to be the best writer, but I know what the rules are supposed to be. I don't know how WP can develop its content if a small group of editors are able to keep content from coming into existence. I get that we don't want everyone writing articles on their own mothers, but the rules are clear and I followed them. Any problems with my style would be quickly caught by the broader community and adjusted. But keeping an influential and notable person like Morrow off this platform is simply absurd. She can make a call and get into an interview with anyone she wants. That doesn't happen if she's a nobody. I want to learn a more encyclopedic style but the subject of my article should be held to her own merits and not held back because I have a sentence that says she left the "grind" of the city. Who seriously thinks that "grind" is worthy of blocking an entire biography? That's rhetorical. I just don't understand the push back. Is being a WP editor some sort of club that requires some rites of passage? Stocatta (talk) 02:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of factors at play, and the following are by no means an exhaustive list:
 * Wikipedia has to be very careful about articles on living people, to the point that there's an entire policy on them. Claims must be reliably sourced and will be scrutinised, and if there's too many that aren't considered to be reliably sourced, the draft is not going to be considered for mainspace.
 * The number of reviewers is overshadowed by the number of drafts that are submitted for review. A few weeks ago the backlog was backed up to the point that a draft might not be reviewed for half a year after submission. Time and effort is spent checking to see if drafts are up to encyclopedic standards, and a lot of the time they aren't, which leads to...
 * Reviewing is, from what I've observed, a mostly thankless role. As everything everyone does on here is out of volunteerism, draft writers should do the best they can to make reviewers' lives easier. I watch a few draft reviewers' talk pages and they tend to be bombarded with messages from declined and rejected submitters, all of which nearly always have the same problem and solution, and many of which don't appear to have read Your first article. I will try my best not to presume the mental state of reviewers as a group, but the influx of subpar drafts can cause them to be incredibly sensitive to certain types of phrases. Is it possible that they may end up prejudicing an otherwise good article? Sure. But reviewers are less likely to spend energy on drafts that have promotional or other inappropriate language for an encyclopedia. It's like sending a cover letter or portfolio for a job in high demand: if it doesn't look professional, whoever's reviewing is probably going to chuck it without a second glance to give time and energy towards those that appear to have more effort put in.
 * — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Tenryuu. I've asked numerous times for more clarity on what is happening here and you nailed it. I think the folks at Teahouse have made some edits to my article that make it more acceptable for acceptance. I think my references are solid. Hopefully the article will get approved. Thanks for your guidance. Stocatta (talk) 13:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've tried to find evidence that Morrow is notable, by checking the sources cited in the article. Nos. 1 and 11 are not independent, being based on interviews with her, and 9 and 10 don't mention her (2-8 give me "Access Denied" messages so I haven't been able to check them). I haven't tried to check the rest, but what I've seen, 0 of 4 sources providing evidence of notability, is not encouraging. Maproom (talk) 16:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Reference 1 is from an environmental organization that selected her to join it. That isn't independent? References 2 through 7 are her work, not independent, but they verify that the work was done (just following every other biography I could find). Reference 8 through 10 are not her work, they are independent verification of the law that changed because of her. Reference 8 is a television report about the lawsuit that was triggered by her investigation. References 9 and 10 are links to the Center for Biological Diversity that brought the lawsuit and credited Morrow's work. They are independent and notable since they have their own WP page, right? Reference 8 has the CBD mentioning Morrow. References 9 and 10 are supporting the text and existence of the lawsuit. I thought I needed to prove everything in the article so I have subject matter references even if they aren't all referencing Morrow.
 * I don't know how you can get accessed denied on any of these links. I've confirmed them all.
 * I appreciate your assistance, but I still don't get it. Reference 11 is about Morrow, not by Morrow. Reference 12, 13, and 14 are the governing bodies reporting the award winners for the Emmy's and the SDC award. These awards were then repeated by every major news outlet, but we wouldn't want repetitive references, right? Reference 15 was about her running the Marine marathon while pregnant. (cool if not notable) References 17 through 21 are subject matter evidence for the controversy section. One was her report, and two were not her report but about her.
 * I thought we had to cite EVERY claim in addition to the biographical subject. So I have 22 references and 13 are not by or with her, but independent. I don't have any references that were not used elsewhere in other WP articles.
 * Should I remove references? Stocatta (talk) 06:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Stocatta, it doesn't look like the sources prove this person is notable yet. The awards are all sourced to the awarding organizations -- if those were notable enough awards, they could be sourced to unaffiliated media. The controversy over demonetization doesn't seem to have been widely discussed anywhere, and it looks like all the pieces that are actually about her (rather than about endangered species) are redlinks.
 * Notability is the most important first question that needs to be answered about a candidate for an article. If you can't find at least three instances of significant coverage of the article subject in unaffiliated reliable sources (two of them outside her local area), you're wasting your time. —valereee (talk) 16:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , please disclose your relationship, if any, with the subject of your draft. You wrote I checked the reference for that statement and it does not mention or allude to "grind" or "city living" or "corporate news" or "great outdoors". It says she lives in an Airstream trailer with her husband. That single sentence violates Wikipedia's three core content policies of verifiability, the neutral point of view and no original research. Your draft should be completely rewritten to come into compliance with Wikipedia's policies. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  16:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm new to this but your comments don't seem altogether helpful. Morrow did in fact leave the city and corporate news with her family to the outdoors. You are suggesting that "grind" is not an adequate impartial and frequently used adjective about bit city living and corporate work patterns? And the reference to "great" is a description of expanse. Somebody else removed the entire sentence but I think this is where the words add meaning and have not editorialized anything. And how can you say her leaving the news or leaving the city is not verifiable. You saw it yourself in the article. It is indeed a neutral point of view because I'm not implying that one is superior to the other. And I didn't provide any original research nor did Morrow other than stating the facts and referencing the facts as reported by others. Stocatta (talk) 06:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * So the references to the SDC and the Emmy organization are not desirable? If we are looking for facts wouldn't references to the governing bodies be more reliable than a secondary news report about the same? Stocatta (talk) 06:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , will you please address the specific question I asked you, and the specific point I made about a specific sentence in your draft? Thank you. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Isn't it moot since the sentence is gone? Stocatta (talk) 06:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no relationship to Morrow. I've stated that above. I simply wanted to try writing a Wikipedia article and chose a personality that I saw online that has significant stature in her industry and didn't have a WP article yet. I thought this was the whole point of Wikipedia. And the first tenant on every talk page is "assume good faith". Why are you assuming nefarious intentions? Did I do something to deserve the accusation? I understand how the system works. I've been editing articles for a little while and simply wanted to take a shot at starting an article. You're doing a good job at pushing a volunteer away if that is your intent. Stocatta (talk) 06:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've tried to check some of the sources,, and I get access denied messages from the Krem and King5 sites. Presumably you can access them. Do you know why you can and I can't? What's the nature of those sites? Cordless Larry (talk) 14:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, they're local news sites. Strange that I can't access them but perhaps there are territorial access restrictions in place. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:13, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This sort of issue could be hard to track down. I wouldn't have thought that news sites would have any issues. Is this sort of problem common? If so, how do we test sites to make sure they can be accessed by all? Stocatta (talk) 02:55, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Easy access isn't a necessary condition for use of sources, per WP:SOURCEACCESS, though it's obviously preferable, . In this case, it seems that accessing the pages via the Internet Archive works for me, so it might be worth adding links to archive copies to the citations. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Cordless Larry. I'll change those over to the archive. Stocatta (talk) 01:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Aww, I was just browsing when I saw this. After reading the draft with it's rejections, looking around I found a video of the subject, on a site presumably made/edited/owned by the subject. Then others that are on Locals - a video hosting site. This video is one of interest - wikipedia-decides-if-youre-a-quack slamming Wikipedia? Well even so, that is not a barrier to having a bio on wiki, obviously its not helpful in light of current circumstances no matter how you slice it. Yeah I know impartiality rules. They also have current videos on YouTube where they're complaining about deplatforming alongside other videos slamming Wikipedia, again. They cover other subjects where faux outrage is employed. (redacted) the only problem preventing them from having a Wikipedia bio is a lack of notability. If you're in the US you would be aware, as of today there were over 100,000 NEW Covid infections reported. On Wednesday. And you Stocatta desire the addition of another non-notable, (redacted) person to the Wikipedia encyclopedia. I also say no, in part based on obfuscation posted to this talk page, but majorly due to sources lacking verifiability, a neutral point of view and no original research. Sources, references, notability, cross-references /and/ the accompanying editorial work must support this BLP. Missbellanash (talk) 10:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You are obviously biased against the subject and that is not a healthy position as an editor of an encyclopedia platform. I can point to several characters on WP that I disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that they are notable. You make a broad, subjective and dangerous claim when you say the subject is an "opportunist who specializes in disinformation". If you think WP (or any platform) is beyond criticism, then you are an elitest and dangerous to the honest spread of information. You seem laser focused on this subject's allowance for free speech. You are ignoring her two Emmy awards and her SDC award. You ignore the hundreds of people that contribute to the decisions of those awarding bodies. You also ignore the dozens of legal decisions that Morrow's environmental investigations have helped shape. Her work literally stopped the State of Washington from killing hundreds of bears per year. I referenced that law suit in the article. But you would have all of that "notable" work swepted away because you disagree with her having guests that criticize big tech platforms. You are clearly not being impartial. I typically disagree with many environmental issues. I'm an American and I've never met the subject. This subject has accomplished things that are statistically rare, no matter how you slice your opinions. It is sad that you can't recognize that reality. Before attempting to exclude this subject from the "club of the worthy", I would ask you how many people have 3 major awards from entities in the class of the Emmy and SDC organizations. And then, how many of those people have directly influenced societal change via legal challenges. And finally, how many of those people don't already have WP articles? I'm just trying to give a notable person their due and document those accomplishments on a platform dedicated to that purpose. I'm concerned that you are an editor with the power to scratch off information that you find disagreeable. Stocatta (talk) 13:37, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Stocatta, Wikipedia doesn't make decisions on whether or not a subject is notable based on whether they've criticized Wikipedia, and @Missbellanash, it's not helpful to even discuss such criticism in this discussion. It doesn't matter, and we don't care, and the simple act of bringing any of that up here at Teahouse is problematic because it calls into question Wikipedia's neutrality. Please don't do that again. Whether a subject has criticized wikipedia has zero to do with their notability.
 * Stocatta, I explained above why this subject appears to be not notable yet. The sources don't support it. —valereee (talk) 18:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Valereee. Can you help me with the guidelines a bit? I read the guidelines as anyone with a notable award would qualify. This subject has 2 Emmy awards and an SDC. The number of people with three major awards in Journalism is less than a few hundred. How many major awards must a subject earn before qualifying as "notable"? Stocatta (talk) 01:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Stocatta, I'm going to take this to your user talk so this section can be closed. —valereee (talk) 11:14, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

& their recent edits
This editor has been helping me to improve my edits and I have taken all their advice and suggestions on board...Now they have picked faults with me over more articles and these last two months...constantly reverting and criticing me...I see them not going after to other editors and they go after just me. I feel this is WP:Hounding. I have tried to improve but all I keep getting is talk page after talk page tabs with you are removing old text which is been there for decades or you are making a mess of the pages and you should have your editing privileges taken away...I am getting tired of it...I just want to edit but they seem to stalk my page and revert more pages I edit then actually thank me for helpful contributions...as they have done for Leeds, Knutsford, South Willing railway station & Borough of Blackpool. Text gets changed a lot but they pick issues with me removing it but if another editor did it would not faze them...It claimed on Knutsford page it was a sought after place and its villages with no reliable sources and it is a dormintary town for people working in Liverpool and Manchester which had no source backing it. Chester, Stoke and Crewe are nearby and people work there too...so it is a stretch to claim people just work in the two cities mentioned...the Leeds was reverted by them over me adding the city of Leeds borough to the leeds and South Willingham page was a mess so I tried to fix it but it removed it so I assumed the photo had been deleted as couldn't find it on WIki commons but it eventually came back...so that was my fault but it needed looking at...

I assume PamD has good intentions but it just seems to be me they are targeting...RailwayJG (talk) 11:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC) RailwayJG (talk) 11:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You are distorting what has written on your talk page. Her comments and requests there are very reasonable, and politely expressed. Please follow her advice, which is very constructive. -- Hoary (talk) 11:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * its okay her helping me but it appears to be me she only follows...if you can find other editors she has spoken to on talk pages doing the same thing as me then I will retract my WP:Hounding but it appears I am the only one of interest to her...if she helps great but some of her remarks in the past were sarcastic sounding and quite malevolent. RailwayJG (talk) 13:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Nevertheless, I have some sympathy at Knutsford, where part of what you did was indeed removal of a completely unreferenced paragraph about how it's a desirable area (paragraph sounds like it was written by an estate agent) and a dormitory town. It would be better if both you and discussed the issue at Knutsford's talk-page; that way, other editors have a chance to see what's going on, understand why the text is changing, and possibly find some references to back up the changes. This is basically a 'content dispute', which means the article talk page is where it should happen (but with thanks to both editors for at least using edit summaries) Elemimele (talk) 12:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks I appreciate it...I would do so but the article does not appear to have many editors on it visiting it regularly...


 * PamD has been an editor for >15 years, with > 100,000 edits. Assume competency. If you do not want her looking at your edits, say so on her Talk page. Keep in mind that her intentions appear to be to make you a better editor. David notMD (talk) 12:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 15 years doesnt mean a thing, other editors have been on here around the same time or longer and they aren't using tactics of your edits are disruptive etc Crouch, Swale has been on here longer and has helped me out with geographical side of wiki and other editor too...I have asked her on my own talk page to stop following just me but she never answered back and continued to do so...if you read here last edit on [|Knutsford] she said. That looked personal not constructive comment...I am not on here to score points but if I see old text with no sourcing and claims which I remove and then they are readded without reliable sources I will challenge it...Knutsford might be close to the cities of Liverpool and Manchester but it claimed people there work in the two cities...when other towns and cities are nearby so I challenged it claiming that it was a dormitary town and sought after and the villages around it. Nowhere confirmed it and it had been left unchallenged up until now...Same went with Penkridge with claims it is a market town when it never got town status and it is a village but it got challenged. I had to provide reliable sources...RailwayJG (talk) 13:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a comment, she's probably not following you around deliberately. It's probably just that she looks back at her recent contributions to see what's happened since. I know I do. That means she's going to bump into your editing purely accidentally. Another thought: if you remove a sentence because you think it's unsourced, and someone else puts it back in, rather than removing it again (which sows the seeds for an edit war), put a citation needed tag on it and add a section to the talk page drawing attention to the reason why it needs to be referenced. You may be right that an article hasn't been seen by many editors, but creating a lot of activity around its talk page is one way to draw attention to it. If there is still argument, too few editors engaged, and no consensus, and you're not happy, you can make a request for comment, but if there isn't any talk-page discussion already visible, no one is going to know what they're supposed to be commenting about. Elemimele (talk) 13:58, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

ATICLE DELETION
I think i know the reasons, but my problem was in the uploading of the text and photos ,I had lots of complex things. please tell me how can i get a page so easy and so clear to upload the article again. All is about me, i am the source of the interesting subject endorsed with photos.I am sure that people will like it especially when they will see en premiere a new breakthrough in the botanical world. Thanks SS Serge M Saliba (talk) 13:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but I think you need to read WP:What Wikipedia is not. This is not a place to post new ideas, or a place to post information about yourself, or a place to tell the world about something. It is certainly not a place to premiere anything. The mission of Wikipedia is to summaris what has already been written about in reliable place. Once your work has been published in peer-reviewed journals, it may be incorporated into Wikipedia articles (but preferably not by you, as you will have a conflict of interest). --ColinFine (talk) 14:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please stop creating article-like content on your User page (deleted three times!). Attempts at autobiography are strongly discouraged (WP:AUTO). The fact that you have apparently developed a new variety of Kohleria does not make you nor it article-worthy. David notMD (talk) 14:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for inviting me in teahouse. I'm a Wikipedia user. I'm grateful for Wikipedia articles which has been proved to be very useful for information I need. I would like to appreciate all of article writers and editors. It's my privilege to add little contributions for your efforts.

I'm Nepali translator experienced in "MOST TRANSLATED WEBSITE OF THE WORLD". I don't like to mention the name but it is in 1034 languages. I'm using Wikipedia from last 8 years to research about Nepali and Pahari (Pahadi)Language people of India and their culture. I had never thought that I'll be able to edit Wikipedia one day. The best linguistic training and experience of work helped to improve my knowledge of language. If I'll have time it is my desire to improve Nepali language articles in Wikipedia. I have gone through some of the pages. I have found that there is need of much more improvements.

Thank you again!!! Never-fall-p (talk) 15:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for joining Wikipedia and bringing your experiences here with you. We are all passionate about creating an encyclopedia that shares the notable history of the world. I am glad you are here and hope you have the opportunity to make quality improvements in whatever area you seek. I see a welcome was added to your talk page that brought you here. There are many things to consider and read before making edits and I will leave some helpful hints on your talk page as well. Welcome to Wikipedia and Happy Editing! -- A Rose Wolf  15:50, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Southern Turkmen
Why is there no Southern Turkmen dialect Wikipedia page? Wikiman2021language (talk) 15:19, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * WP is a volunteer project, so the answer is "nobody has written one yet". If you think the topic satisfies the demands at WP:GNG, you can try to make one, if you have the necessary WP:RS. See Help:Your first article for guidance. You can also consider using your sources to add something at Turkmen language. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

International Players profile completely changed and replaced by some other non important persons information
Prabhjot singh is such a respected hockey player from india represented in world cup olympics and many more events have been the capton too and some cheap politician who is a nobody replaced and deleted all information of the great legend with his two line information .... disrespectful and unacceptable it is HARMAN.ATWAL001 (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I've restored a previous version of Prabhjot Singh, which before being overwritten was about the field hockey player. If the "cheap politician" is notable, someone will have to write a separate article about him, not just replace the athlete's article. Deor (talk) 16:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @HARMAN.ATWAL001 Somewhat to my surprise, it seems the article was about the hockeyplayer to begin with. At the time I'm writing this, it is again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

need an editor who know how to fix red text
I am not working on this article, but I found it need help. I can't fix this myself, so maybe someone who reads could fix it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Kansas#Further_reading Ty78ejui (talk) 15:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi,, welcome to the Teahouse. The error was because the note had been defined twice, what made it confusing was that it was defined on the template page itself rather than in the article. Normally your browser's 'Find in this page' tool would be enough to locate duplicates. Hope that's all solved for you now. Zindor (talk) 17:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * This error appeared because the article was defining an instance of Template:Efn which had the same  attribute as an identical note from Template:Kansas City weatherbox, which is transcluded onto the article. It was added in 2016 so seems to have been like that for quite a while. User:Zindor seems to have fixed it. RoxySaunders (talk · contribs) 17:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Creating a Wiki page
No matter how many times I re-edit my Wikipedia page to try and fix the ways that editors say it needs to be fixed, it keeps getting declined. I am trying to upload a page for New York Times bestseller, writer and illustrator, Brigette Barrager. I keep contacting multiple different people and not getting a straight answer. What am I doing wrong? Please help. Jasmineeve (talk) 18:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you're having difficulty. In looking at the comments on your draft article(not a "page"), one consistent theme is that the sources you offer(largely social media) are not acceptable for establishing that this person meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable creative professional. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they are notable. Wikipedia does not want to know what a person says about themselves, but what others unconnected with them choose to say about them. You may find Your first article helpful. 331dot (talk) 19:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Jasmineeve: Welcome to the Teahouse. Another issue that is present in your draft is that there are no inline citations. You may wish to read WP:EASYREFBEGIN to learn how to properly cite on Wikipedia. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:23, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Need a photo for a notable black female American judge BLP who is in the news in the US Senate just now
Eunice C. Lee, a notable black female American judge has a WP:BLP article, but no photo image. She is also currently nominated for a higher court position, and her nomination is before the US Senate. There is a discussion on the Talk page where I suggested that a WP:FAIRUSE image might be able to be used until a CC-licensed one is found. I'm pretty confident, actually, that a fair use exception will work, since she is obviously the subject of her BLP article.

I'm equally confident that I don't have the mad skillz to pull this off in a WP compliant way that would keep at the picture watching governance committee for images on WP at bay.

So, could anyone possibly help with this? Someone who knows how to thread the needle of fair use images? Cheers. N2e (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC) N2e (talk) 01:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not possible to justify a fair use image of a living person (at least in this case). See WP:NFC. Meters (talk) 02:04, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The assumption is that a free use picture can be taken, even if one does not currently exist, and thus no fair use exemption is possible. Using a news coverage image as suggested on the article's talk page would be a copyright violation unless the image had been released (unlikely). Meters (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The issue is not invalid fair use or copyright violation, but that Wikipedia has stricter non-free content criteria than the U.S. legal minimum, and the first ("No free equivalent") is failed for a living person as a photo could be created. I'm assuming you've searched on Wikimedia Commons and Flickr for compatibly licensed images. If you can get in touch with Lee or one of her team then it is possible that they could get a photographer (NOT Lee herself—copyright is owned by the person who takes a photo) to release an image taken of her under a free license with the release generator. — Bilorv ( talk ) 12:24, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The user suggested on the article's talk page that it would be acceptable to use a news coverage image until a properly licensed image could be obtained. Using a copyrighted image with an invalid fair use rationale would indeed be a copyright violation, which is why I mentioned it. Meters (talk) 19:50, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

How to request another review of a re-written draft article (after initial rejection of draft)
Hello - I had written a draft article last year that was rejected and not moved to the Main Namespace. But I’ve now re-written and re-vamped the draft based on the feedback that I received.

I would like to have this new draft reviewed, but I don’t see a "Submit for Review" button.

I read that I can add to the top of the draft in order to submit it for review. Is this correct? I don’t want to move the revised draft to the Main Namespace without it being reviewed.

Thank you for your advice. Alwayslp (talk) 19:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If a draft is rejected, that means it will not be considered further- that's why you don't see a resubmit button. The reviewer rejected it because they felt the chances of improvement were low. If there is new information not considered by the reviewer, you will need to bring that to their attention. 331dot (talk) 19:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I see there is a blue "Ask for Advice" button next to the information box written by the reviewer who had rejected the article back in 2020. Can I contact the reviewer in that way to bring the new draft to their attention? I appreciate your help. Alwayslp (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do is attempt to contact the reviewer directly on their user talk page. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

OK, I will contact the reviewer via their user talk page. Thank you for your prompt reply and help. Alwayslp (talk) 19:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Insert Photo to Sandbox
I figured out how to insert a jpg but now it's just a blank square. How do I insert the photo? Jasmineeve (talk) 20:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The photo would need to be uploaded to Wikipedia (or Wikimedia Commons if it's a free use image) before it can be displayed on Wikipedia. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously - you can't just find a photo on a web page and use it on Wikipedia.  See Help:Introduction to uploading images and Help:Pictures for more information.  However, I suggest you focus on getting the draft approved before you worry about the photo.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Links to Subscription only websites.
So my question and concern is this. I've been editing pages for about two years now and occasionally I'll run into the issue that a website I was going to use requires a subscription. There have also been times where I've clicked on reference links for other pages, and to read said article, one must have a subscription. With more websites requiring subscriptions (especially newspapers if you wish to read articles from older editions), what's the game plan for this issue? I&#39;m only here because I&#39;m not currently somewhere else. (talk) 19:33, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a valid concern. NYTimes, for example, allows only so many articles to be read. Yet it is considered a primary news source. Good question!CaliBuds (talk) 19:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, if I’m reading and interpreting this correctly then you are asking what to do if you come across a source which happens to be a website that requires a fee before accessing the whole article? If yes, then contained in WP:RS is a blanket answer which encourages us not to to disregard such sources, especially if they are a reliable source. The fee status or requirement is negligible. Celestina007 (talk) 19:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That a source requires payment to access does not preclude its use on Wikipedia, see WP:PAYWALL.  Journalists do not work for free. Readers and editors are free to purchase subscriptions to be able to read paywalled sources. The Wikipedia Library has access to some sources.  331dot (talk) 19:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Celestina007 and 331dot (see WP:SOURCEACCESS), but 's concern appears to be that an increasing use of source paywalls will pose challenges to our ability to write and review articles. As well as the Wikipedia Library, WikiProject Resource Exchange is part of the answer. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a clash of cultures. The whole underlying philosophy of Wikipedia is that information is free. We can believe it ourselves, but we don't have the right to impose our viewpoint on the rest of the world. People who make a living by searching out information, screening its quality, and writing books and newspapers need to pay for their groceries, so they have a right to demand cash for their work. It doesn't make their work any the less reliable (in fact it probably makes it more reliable, because they can afford to spend some time doing it right; and people buy a newspaper because they think it's telling them accurate news). If we insist on our sources being free-to-read, we're likely to end up basing WP on a tiny zone squeezed between reliable pay-walled newspapers that we won't use and unreliable blogs that we daren't use. If we insist that everyone, everywhere, should have free access to any sources, then we exclude nearly all books, which is to say almost all written information up to the last couple of decades. The point of WP is that we have a lot of editors, each individually with access to a small subset of secondary sources, from which they can write referenced articles. This puts the general gist of these secondary sources into a free information sphere, and WP's readers, if they're sufficiently interested in the subject, can get hold of the sources for themselves, and look into things in more depth. So we are still useful - in fact we're even more useful - when we used paid-for secondary sources. Elemimele (talk) 11:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Sportsfan1976 @331dot @CaliBuds @Celestina007 @Cordless Larry @Elemimele There was a discussion relating to overcoming this at WT:AFC. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  21:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Contributing
Hello! Here's a short question. I am interested in topics like Nuclear Physics and Molecular Science. Note: I am NOT an expert, just have an intermediate knowledge of the subjects. Are there any articles in those categories that need improvement? Thanks! Midknight1342 (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! WikiProjects such as WikiProject Physics and WikiProject Science have lists of things to do.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Creating Discography
Would it be acceptable to create a separate Discography page for Roger Woodward to transfer the lists of recordings and DVDs from the main Wikipedia page? Thank you. SueMmc (talk) 21:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think so. A precedent: Alfred Brendel discography (though please don't copy its copious use of boldface). There doesn't seem to be any consistency, though: not only is there no "Sviatoslav Richter discography", the matter is merely summarized briefly within the article Sviatoslav Richter. Also, I'd ask within Talk:Roger Woodward and go ahead only after either agreement or two week's non-response. -- Hoary (talk) 21:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I was looking up my dad’s name and it was spelled wrong. I’m trying to fix it but not successful. Anyone knows how to do it properly?
Greenorchid74 (talk) 21:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Give us more information. Where is it? What is the correct spelling? --Bduke (talk) 21:57, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Greenorchid74, I'm guessing this is less a spelling than a transcription/romanization problem. But anyway, you might bring up the matter at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iran, where you're likely to find more people who read Farsi or know about Iranian naming. -- Hoary (talk) 22:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I would like to start editing some pages that need improvement.
I welcome any guidance on how I can improve existing pages. I am a very quick learner. Is anyone available to walk me through an edit or two on a page that needs improvement? Wordslicer (talk) 22:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * hello, welcome to the teahouse! Is there anything in particular you'd like to do? You might want to have a look at the Task Center, it lists a few tasks ideal for editors just getting started. Happy editing, 192.76.8.91 (talk) 22:20, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @192.76.8.91 Thank you. Is there a particular method to directly communicate with other editors?
 * Also, I noticed that there are pages that need improvement in the Task Center. How does one determine which specific sections of a page need improvement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordslicer (talk • contribs)
 * If you just have general questions then the best place to talk about editing is either the talk page of an article or a noticeboard like this one. If you need to message a specific user then you can leave a message for them on their talk page. If you need to contact someone with something privacy related or that you would rather not disclose publicly you can use Special:EmailUser to send them an email, you will need to have an email address attached to your account and this will disclose your email address to the other person, so be careful if you're privacy conscious and have an email address in your real name. There are also Wikipedia related groups on a lot of messaging services, like Discord or IRC. There should be clean-up templates indicating which sections of an article need work, for example if an article contains a statement that needs a source you should see somewhere in the article showing you what needs sourcing. Some clean-up templates are applied to the entire article, indicating that the whole thing needs work. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 22:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @192.76.8.91 Incredibly helpful. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordslicer (talk • contribs)

Where can I find a list of Wikipedia pages that need help with citations? Wordslicer (talk)
 * Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:All_articles_with_unsourced_statements Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The Task centre lists some helpful information in the "Fact checking" section. Category:Wikipedia articles with sourcing issues lists every article currently identified as having some kind of issue with citations, sorted into subcategories based on what the issue is, for example Category:All articles lacking sources lists all articles with no citations at all and is further sortable by topic. Before getting started you might also want to have a read of WP:referencing for beginners, which explains how to format a citation and explains what kind of sources are considered WP:Reliable. The only other pitfall to be aware of is that we have extra stringent requirements for medical topics (WP:MEDRS) and biographies of living or recently deceased people (WP:BLP). 192.76.8.91 (talk) 00:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Why is my name red?
Artemisia-californica (talk) 00:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC) And how can I make it blue? I'm sure this is in the intro materials and I missed it, sorry!


 * @Artemisia-californica It isn't now, as I have just created it by adding a line of text which you can now edit yourself. Until a page is actually created, any link to it appears red. see WP:REDLINK for more details. See WP:USERPAGE for the type of things you can put there about yourself, if you so choose. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Identifying Project wide issues
I am wondering if Wikiprojects have some tool for identifying problem pages in their scope. This seems straightforward to me technically. You can identify pages that are in scope via the template in the Talk page. Then it is just a matter of looking for matches or non-matches against particular regular expressions. So we could look for the absence of "<ref" to see pages that have no footnotes. I was imagining some sort of template that could be transcluded in the Wikiproject page. But I cannot find any such tool. Slimy asparagus (talk) 00:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Try looking for your favorite WikiProject at the CleanupWorklistBot listings at https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/index.html - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That does seem to be what I was looking for. Slimy asparagus (talk) 01:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help in rewriting
Hello, can anyone help me get this Draft accepted? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:J.T._Patten I am unable to make it neutral enough... Thank you! NPFictionLibrarian (talk) 01:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * NPFictionLibrarian I may be able to help. You can check my user's page for articles I have worked on. I do most of my work in controversial areas making them neutral and up to date. I may have to go out of town tomorrow, and it's possible I may not be available right away, so if you're in a hurry, you might wait and see if someone else offers. If so, I wish you both the best of luck! Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:53, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft describes Patten/Swanson as a "subject matter authority" and "expert" - claims such as those need references. The "blacker than black" description also needs a reference.  Does Patten have a fictional biography (like "Richard Bachman" did), or is everything in the "History" and "Military / Government Writings" sections refer to Swanson?  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Pictures?
How do I add pictures? MrDude1881 (talk) 03:31, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * As explained here, MrDude1881. -- Hoary (talk) 03:55, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

This: [1]
How do I add those things that look like this? [1] Thanks. MrDude1881 (talk) 03:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @MrDude1881, the easiest way is to use templates. You can find an easy guide to using these here. --Jack Frost (talk) 04:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , you'll find a variety of useful material linked to from Help:Menu/Site map. -- Hoary (talk) 05:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Bibliography of Japanese history
I have some experience editing existing articles and have also created several articles. For a long time I have maintained a bibliography of Japanese history on a university website which can only be edited on campus. During the lockdown I have been unable to update it at all, and in any case I think it would be better to let other people update and edit it too, so I thought of putting it on Wikipedia, for I see that there are other bibliographies of national history to be found on Wikipedia. I have seen the Wikiproject pages on bibliographies. My bibliography is large and pretty comprehensive, and subdivided by periods and subdivided again by topic. Any reason why I shouldn't go ahead? Pluskwa (talk) 13:36, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you able to provide a link to the website, or is the website only readable on campus?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 20:35, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Here is the link: http://intranet.ames.cam.ac.uk/jbib/ I have started transferring the data to a draft in my sandbox. Pluskwa (talk) 06:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

How do you ask for a citation to an individual piece of information in an article?
Specifically, how do you add the "citation needed" notices that are written in the same superscript as the citations themselves? (As opposed to having a citations-needed tag for the entire page.) Sparechair (talk) 08:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , add a cn tag at the position where a reference is needed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:24, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

How long does it take for a page to get patrolled?
I'm not exactly a new Wikipedian, but I don't know how long the two articles I made recently, The Revolutionary Piano of Nicky Hopkins and Phuntsho Jigme, will stay non-patrolled. I have waited for some hours and no non-patrolled pages on the list have been patrolled. How long does it take for a patroller to patrol a new page? <span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 06:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Capsulecap, there are currently approximately 5000 new pages awaiting review. Most will be reviewed within 30 days by a patroller, however some may take substantially longer as pages may be reviewed in no particular order. The article is already in mainspace, so there isn't generally any particular rush. Is there anything in particular making this urgent? --Jack Frost (talk) 06:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Jack Frost Nothing urgent, thanks though! <span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 06:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, both of these may be kicked back to draft. The first, because there is no elaboration about the music album other than it exists. The first ref confirms it contains a cover of Yesterday (along with mention of 49 other covers). The second is to a review of the album, so perhaps that can be used for more content. Perhaps some content about Nicky Hopkins can be sourced from that article (with attribution), so as to place it in the chronology of his career. The other article is a quasi=standard sports stub, so that might pass. My understanding is that if articles are not patrolled within 90 days, those enter the searchable world. David notMD (talk) 10:48, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

incorrect redirection of person Bharat Kamm to Dear Comrade film
Bharat Kamma, person, telugu language film writer or director. however it is redirecting to movie Dear Comrade. according to me, its patently wrong. i request experienced person to look into the issue. 28july21 (talk) 13:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The redirect goes to the film because no one has written an article about him, summarizing what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about him, showing how he meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable creative professional.  I assume that it redirects to that film as it is his only major work or it is what he is best known for.  331dot (talk) 13:13, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Advice on rejected draft
Hello...I am looking for feedback as to why Draft:Mona Kattan has been rejected twice. The page is set up very similar to her sister's page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huda_Kattan and Mona is nearly as notable as Huda IRL. Please offer me your feedback and thanks in advance. LookToYourSoul (talk) 14:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft was only declined, not rejected(rejected would mean it cannot be resubmitted). Your draft just tells about this person and what they have done. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about this person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. At least some of the sources you offer seem to be basic announcements or press release-type articles, which do not establish notability.  Please see Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 14:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Article in draft
I am trying to add a new wiki article, I am not being able to published that always showing me in draft why?? Pratikcr9 (talk) 16:37, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The "Publish" button means "Save". If you want to have your draft reviewed to become an article, you can place  on at the top of the draft.  I suggest you read WP:YFA first, for guidance .  RudolfRed (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Editing query
Hey Wikipedia! To give you some background, my friends and I were working on a college sociology journal assignment/project these past few months and decided to submit new article drafts on the topics when doing our project which we found met a lot of Wikipedia's notability criteria but were lacking articles on Wikipedia. For some detailed context, you can read the history of our chat with one of the AfC reviewers of some of our drafts here: User_talk:Nomadicghumakkad

TLDR; my friends decided to move on with working on our real life college project, as they felt our initiative on Wikipedia editing wasn't positively met. However, I am interested in editing and making contributions to Wikipedia and so I've made this account finally. I'm interested in the field of the city my Uni is in and where I stay presently (Pune) and the historical or current notable persons, organizations, events and such of this place (which my classmates and me, being a mix of sociology/history/economics/business majors, had decided to work on as a group initially, because we had access thru our uni library to those rare sources and inaccessible books about those topics of this city/state, with most unfortunately being in print and in Marathi).

I wanted to ask you experienced editors if it is ok for me to continue to do this now on my own or will that lead to a bias violation of some sort since I'm passionate about editing in such a relatively small niche? Of course, I hope to keep my submissions thorough, with good, reliable sources (happy to link you to one of our current draft submissions which I worked on in translating one of the sources to cite the article, to prove my point) and I have learned a lot about NPOV from some of our earlier drafts being declined for that reason and I have worked on solving that issue on all our drafts ever since.

As stated in our discussion linked above, my friends and I had no COI with the topics but it came across as such because we didn't paraphrase and summarize the sources properly (coming across as non-neutral), and also maybe because the sources were pretty similar in nature for the articles we began with because the topics of the articles themselves were so interconnected (given that we were interested in submitting biographies and organizations, which are quite tricky to get right on Wikipedia, as we have come to learn).

I'm super excited to get to work on these niche interests by myself with my new account, especially when I'm autoconfirmed so I don't burden the AfC backlog. But as stated in our discussion on the above reviewer's talk page, my friends and I (with me now editing alone) have absolutely no stake in any of these bios, orgs, events, personal histories etc. having Wikipedia entries. So I won't contribute further to this little passion project and am happy to abandon/delete the created/submitted drafts if in case I'm breaking any Wikipedia laws. Please guide me regarding these doubts. Thanks!

PS: I placed this query on the Help Desk instead of here by mistake, so I have moved it here now. AngryMushroom (talk) 17:50, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've tried to read the very long wall of text you've written but you lost me less than a 1/4 of the way in. Please, in 20 or fewer words, what is your question? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:06, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, so sorry about that. I wanted to ask if it's ok for me to continue contributing on a small niche of interests as long as I follow all the rules. Thanks. AngryMushroom (talk) 18:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If anyone can look at my query in full, that would be very helpful. Thanks. AngryMushroom (talk) 18:14, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @AngryMushroom Make sure to use inline citations (see WP:REFBEGIN if you haven't, WP:TUTORIAL is good too), be WP:BOLD and go for it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:16, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * . You can write articles about any notable topic as long as you comply with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. The very best advice that I can give you is to be concise. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  18:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Inline citations were thankfully easy to understand for the lot of us when we began, but the tutorials really helped for everything else. Since some of the submitted drafts were flagged for COI (which we clarified) and NPOV (completely our mistake), I merely didn't wish to violate any policies for writing on such niche topics (especially on the bios, orgs, etc. I've proposed) that have such rare, old, and mostly non-English sources unavailable outside of my city's libraries and unis. I'm excited to see what I can contribute alone. I shall be bold and proceed! Many thanks! AngryMushroom (talk) 18:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Working on it, <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328 ! Thanks. AngryMushroom (talk) 18:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

sources with conflicting information
If there are sources with conflicting information, is the source with the more detailed timeline the one to use? Would it help if I added the two sources here and I can get some advice? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 10:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * There's a whole essay on this topic! In a nutshell: If two reliable sources offer contradicting information on a subject and none of them can be demonstrated unreliable, then an article should cite both.
 * If you're still struggling to decide how to make use of the sources, go ahead and link them here for a second opinion. Zudo (talk • contribs) 10:24, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a source I used to make edits. As you can see, the source has a timeline of events. My edits were reverted and the Orlando Sentinel source was put back.  I thought since the source I included had a more detailed timeline, then that would be the source to use to show the edits I made were correct. So both sources look reliable, but one has more information. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 14:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Were there any thoughts about the topic above? Thanks! 75.144.185.89 (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Template help
Hi can I just publish a template I have in my sandbox or does someone need to look it over first and publish it for me? Jellemdejong (talk) 10:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Jellemdejong You can publish it by moving it into the template namespace (if you are autoconfirmed), but it seems to have a lot of red links for a navigation template, and should only be used if you (or someone else) is willing to create those articles. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  12:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I know there's alot of red currently the idea is to create those pages slowly by translating them into english. Jellemdejong (talk) 20:04, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Actors Who Have Been Cast in Video Games
Over the years since video games are first invented, many actors and voice actors went on to voice many characters in various video games my by brands like Nintendo, PlayStation, Xbox, Atari and many others. In fact, I have recognized the voices from the characters. Those voice actors include:
 * Adam Baldwin as Jayne Cobb from Firefly Online
 * Alejandro Edda as Manny Alvarez from The Last of Us Part II
 * Andrew Morgado as Bruno Delacroix from Call of Duty: Black Ops 4
 * Ashely Johnson as Ellie
 * Brandon Scott as Henry from The Last of Us
 * Charles Martinet as Mario and Luigi
 * Clancy Brown as Doctor Neo Cortex and Uka Uka (1998–2003) from Crash Bandicoot
 * Daisuke Tsuji as Jin Sakai from Ghost of Tsushima
 * Dwight Schultz as Dr. Animo on the Ben 10 video games
 * François Chau as Sensei Sadanobu Ishikawa from Ghost of Tsushima
 * Haley Joel Osment as Sora
 * JP Karliak as Doctor Nefarious Tropy from Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time
 * Mark Holden as Doctor Paradox from Cyberpunk 2077
 * Nolan North as Nathan Drake
 * James Arnold Taylor as Ratchet (2003–present)
 * John Schwab as Dandelion from The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
 * Jim Ward as Captain Qwark
 * James Woods as Hades from the Kingdom Hearts franchise
 * Laura Bailey as Abby Anderson from The Last of Us Part II
 * Mikey Kelley as Ratchet (2002)
 * Scott Innes as Scooby-Doo and Shaggy Rogers from the Scooby-Doo video games
 * Sumalee Montano as Yuna from Ghost of Tsushima
 * Tom Kenny as Spyro the Dragon (1999–2002; 2018–present)
 * Travis Willingham as Knuckles the Echidna
 * Troy Baker as Joel Miller

If anyone sees this list, what can everyone think of the characters from the video games? MetaWiz4331 (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. I am not clear on what your question is.  If you are suggesting adding that info to an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Or are you thinking about creating a list article? David notMD (talk) 20:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Alexander Borovsky, pianist (1889-1968) graduated from the Gymnasium as did his sister Elena (who was awarded Lenin prize)
see htttp://alexanderkborovsky.blogspot.com for confirmation of this. I have several letters from Elena confirming this. Thank you. Bill Muspianojones (talk) 20:31, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Guessing this relates to Alexander Borovsky. What do you want changed in the article? Letters (assuming unpublished?) can not be accepted as reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Issues regarding updating articles on Wikipedia
Hi, i just like to say first that i have enjoyed editing and updating articles on Wikipedia for the past week that I officially joined as a wikipedian on August 1.

However, I am having arguments with a user with regards to "technicality issues" on updating articles. The issue he raised is on this page/section. I am quoting the relevant portions here for ease of reading:


 * Just FYI edits need to be sourced when they are made, reviewing both of your edit histories it seems that you both regularly make changes and additions without citing a source. Thats generally discouraged. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 05:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)"


 * Yes, i am aware of wikipedia's citation requirement when inputting data. It is not forgotten but the quantity of data being added is staggering. Additionally, if you have checked most NOC olympics pages, nobody is inputting their scores with citation at the moment. However, I have and AM inputting the citations after the finals of a particular event is completed as best as I can. Atom105 (talk) 06:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * If you’re aware of our citation requirements and purposefully ignoring them in BLP contexts then you’re being actively disruptive, theres no excuse for that. Wikipedia is not a race, it is not news, and there is no deadline, slow down and do the bare minimum that is required of you per policy and guidelines. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I am getting very tired of being bashed by such users for updating articles and would appreciate any comments/opinions the users here in the Teahouse can give. I am not sure if what I am doing is wrong as everyone is doing it on all the olympics pages with NO citations. Thanks! Atom105 (talk) 16:07, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In my opinion the advice you have been given is correct. Wikipedia is not a news station and there is no requirement to provide up-to-the minute updates, particularly without a source.  You are welcome to add to articles, but only if you provide citations.  As for what other editors are doing, this may be a case of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS  RudolfRed (talk) 17:06, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Further, adding sources is not a "technicality", it is how information is verified, which is one of our key policies. See WP:V  RudolfRed (talk) 17:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , if "everyone" is doing it on Olympics articles (which I doubt), then they are wrong. You are being asked to do things correctly, and instead of being very tired of it, you should be grateful for the advice. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  19:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have read and understood what you both said and will follow.
 * Just wish to do an addendum here that I am not lying when I say everyone is doing it. Please check the contributions pages for Japan, United States and Russia(ROC) as examples(FYI, The other countries pages are also the same). As a new wikipedian, my first exemplar will be to follow what other wikipedians here are doing. I have no idea that what they are doing(i.e. updating articles without citation) is incorrect. While I understand it now, I wish to add that I did all these with the best of intentions and no malice was intended nor did I intended to lie.
 * Also, after reading through WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, they don't seem to apply to the olympic articles with regards to inputtingg raw scores which is what everyone is doing or adding medalist(Please see above country page history pages for what I mean). Is there another WP policy in play here? Atom105 (talk) 22:42, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , in this context, "everyone" means 100% of the editors working on Olympic articles. Looking at your links, I see some editors reverting unreferenced content, so "everyone" is incorrect. Your exemplar should not be the behavior of over-enthusiastic fan editors during the Olympics. It should be our policies and guidelines, and the behavior of highly experienced editors over the years. I have contributed to the biographies of a few Olympic athletes, and I always provide references. So should you. The most relevant policy is Verifiability, a core content policy. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:00, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I have always understood Wikipedia's requirement for Citation. I have also updated individual athlete's pages during the Olympics and those are done properly with Citation at the point of edit such as my entry on Teddy_Vlock. I just wanted to state that I was misled by the fan editors on the Olympics nation page for almost all countries hence the confusion and exasperation. Atom105 (talk) 23:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Can anyone help me with the errors on my upload?
I'm getting errors about me uploading my own Bio. Is this not accepted? How do I get my Bio and submission approved? Facebook links have been flagged, can you help explain an alternative? Thanks in advance

Don Gee DonGeeMusic DonGeeMusic (talk) 22:55, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't be writing an encyclopaedia article about yourself. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:DonGeeMusic: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place to promote yourself. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, So how would I appear on Wiki?


 * Who writes the correct information?


 * Ani I'm not trying to promote myself, we are trying to add Don Gee's Bio Information to the system.


 * All we ask for is guidance in taking the proper steps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DonGeeMusic (talk • contribs) 23:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Multiple volunteers don't need to be prompted or paid; they'll spontaneously write about people they've never met who are genuinely noteworthy. So just sit back and wait. (Why the rush?) -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Wikipedia is not a place for musicians or people in general to merely post their biographical information; that is what social media is for. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as an encyclopedia Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about(in this case) a musician, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. To put it another way, Wikipedia is interested in what others completely unaffiliated with you choose to say about you, not what you want to say about yourself.  As noted, autobiographical articles(which includes if you represent Don Gee) are strongly discouraged, as people naturally write favorably about themselves. The best way for you to "appear on wiki" is to allow independent editors to take note of your career in reliable sources and choose on their own to write about you.  Be aware that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable; there are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 23:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You ask, who writes it? Someone else who believes you are notable and preferably has no conflict of interest with the subject. The "correct information" is whatever appears in verifiable, reliable, and independent (that is, not written by you) sources. Facebook is never an acceptable source.
 * Who is "we" you are referring to? Are you Don Gee or someone else? Who exactly has access to your account?
 * And also please answer, exactly what criteria in WP:MUSICBIO does Don Gee meet to merit an article on Wikipedia? ~Anachronist (talk) 23:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DonGeeMusic (talk • contribs) 23:30, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

PD-Guyana
Why the copyright tag at the Commons, doesn't work here on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Ormond (talk • contribs) 21:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Because that template is relevant only to Commons. If something is public domain, it should be on Commons anyway. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Peter Ormond Welcome to the Teahouse. Because Wikimedia Commons and English Wikipedia are two completely different projects, and have their own set of templates, it is not surprising that trying to apply a template from one project in another one would not be successful. If you'd care to explain what it is that you're trying to achieve, it's possible that we might be able to offer further advice and a better template to use. Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:42, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

What guidelines, if any, is this sentence violating?
Ran across this sentence in an article:

"This fact is often overlooked by media or intentionally kept hidden."

This feels wrong, but I'm not certain. If this phrasing is violating guidelines, what guidelines is it violating? The citation goes to an unviewable source.

Thanks! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:07, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That sentence is not in any Wikipedia article. You quote part of a sentence that is found in Alternative medicine, where it is sourced and contextualised. Context is everything. --bonadea contributions talk 22:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. So you are saying with confidence that it's okay to say something is "intentionally kept hidden by the media", without defining what "media" is referring to, and without being able to access the source that supposedly says that? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Without context (which you have not provided) the sentence contains a weasel word ("often"), a vague undefined term ("media") and a suggestion of a conspiracy theory ("intentionally kept hidden" by mysterious unidentified entities). By itself, it wouldn't be acceptable to present in Wikipedia's narrative voice. With context, it may be a different story. Provide the context including sources and you may get a better answer. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I found the sentence in alternative medicine and modified it. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm glad I'm not crazy. I apologize for not providing the context, but thank you for following up with my question. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

What specifically I need to change in my article?
Hi dear Wiki experts,

First I would like to thank the user AngusWOOF for the kindness in the feedback but I need additional help, please.

- I've written an article about my family surname - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Climaco_Family in which I have some formal academic evidence, e.g. the coat of arms issue by the "Cronista Rey de Armas" and some anecdotal, e.g. made by a third party Heraldry Institute, both referenced in my article.

'''I would like to know what exactly to change so I can have it published, please? '''

It is unrealistic to expect someone else will be interested in writing about my family if not a member of the family itself because we are not a celebrity family neither high royalty but simply a Spanish family which has some knighthood roots, hence the coat of arms and I would like to have that published in the Wikipedia for public consulting.

Many thanks, Pedro Pclimaco87 (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * For Draft:Climaco Family, you should declare a conflict on interest, given that this is your family surname (although you do not appear to have stated that you are part of this genealogy). You have submitted it, and are waiting on a review. Much of the content, including the coat of arms symbols, is not referenced. David notMD (talk) 20:54, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your draft only has two references. One is to a commercial website that sells heraldry related coats of arms and documents. Such a website is worthless for establishing notability. You need to provide references to multiple, independent reliable sources that devote significant attention to your surname. Make sure that every assertion in your draft is backed up by a solid reference. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  01:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Creating New Articles
Why can't I create a new page on English Wikipedia, even though I'm already logged in? Dan Earth (talk) 00:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Probably because you're new. How about returning to your creation Draft:Akademi Sahur Asia (season 3), improving it, and submitting it as a candidate to be an article? -- Hoary (talk) 01:45, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

If after being fixed, how do I submit it as a candidate to be an article? Dan Earth (talk) 01:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Dan Earth, I've added "Dan Earth" to the draft. When you're confident about it, click on "Submit the draft for review!". -- Hoary (talk) 02:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Is it possible to bring articles from other language Wikipedias here?
Would there be any issues with copyright if I take an article from a different language Wikipedia (that does not yet exist here), translate it into English, and then add it to the English Wikipedia? Since the text would not be originally written by me but instead translated from text that was written by multiple editors on the source Wiki, how can I properly attribute that? Additionally, is it alright if the sources, even if reliable, are in another language/the language of the source, or does at least one/a few have to be in English since this is the English Wikipedia? Thank you - Normal Name (talk) 02:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking a good question. Yes, there are copyright issues, and there are other issues besides. Please see Help:Translation for relevant warnings and suggestions. No, there's no requirement that any source should be in English. -- Hoary (talk) 03:04, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Article not appearing on google
Hi,

The page here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonov_Frederick_Agah does not show up on google searches. When it was first created, it showed up as the first result on google, however, now it does not - what could be the issue? Thank you, Terfreagah (talk) 23:55, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ask Google. We don't care about your SEO efforts. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Your silence could have spoken much more louder especially on something you do not care about Terfreagah (talk) 00:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Or, rephrased: Wikipedia isn't Google's puppetmaster. Instead, Google follows its own algorithms for such purposes. -- Hoary (talk) 01:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A) I just entered "Yonov Frederick Agah" at Google and it DID show the Wikipedia article. B) Wikipedia has no control over what Google does or does not do. David notMD (talk) 02:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It might have been marked reviewed by someone, probably by accident, and picked up by google. But it's unreviewed right now. So, it should disappear from the results once google updates and syncs all servers, provided it doesn't get reviewed again. Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:14, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Possibility of becoming an administrator
Based on my previous contributions and my conduct, how likely would I succeed making a request for Adminship, I thought I'd ask this here before making a request, I was blocked 1 month ago, but I believe I have learned from it and become much better, I'm reverting and removing alot of vandalism through the recent changes section as well as warning and reporting where necessary. StarryNightSky11 <sup style="color:black">(talk) <sup style="color:black">(cont)   02:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you fix your signature please, your user link goes to StarryNightSky11 instead of User:StarryNightSky11. Cheers! ~TNT (she/they • talk) 02:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To respond to your question though - at the moment, you would not pass a request for adminship. The requirements for adminship on the English Wikipedia are very high (some might say too high, but this certainly isn't the venue for that discussion). You will need to be an active and constructive member of the community for a good year or two before revisiting this idea Your block, while something which may be brought up, is likely to be overlooked if you have a couple of years under your belt of being helpful, friendly and constructive ~TNT (she/they • talk) 03:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Unlikely. I suggest that you don't apply till a full year has passed after any block. -- Hoary (talk) 02:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I wish you well, StarryNightSky11, but remember that success in this isn't merely a function of (i) whether/when one did something stupid oneself, and (ii) how vigorous one has been in reverting/combatting others' stupidities. Among other strengths, you really need a good understanding of Wikipedia or at least an awareness of the limits to your understanding. Here's a recent edit summary of yours: "infobox added, all other articles about real people have one so why shouldn't this". Not true: Plenty of articles about real people don't have one. And the reason isn't just editorial laziness. As just one example, Adolfo Farsari is a featured article about a real person that doesn't have one. (And, in my view, the lack of an infobox in that article is a good thing, though this is hardly the place for a discussion about the desirability of biographical infoboxes.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:18, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice, very helpful. Also I've now fixed my signature hadn't even realised it had an issue. Best StarryNightSky11  <sup style="color:black">(talk)  03:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries Give me a ping in a month or so if you'd be interested in having rollback rights to help with anti-vandalism. Just remember, there are simple ways to react to content disagreements, and try not to let things get to you too much ~TNT (she/they • talk) 03:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Interesting could be useful, I'll keep it in mind. Thanks again StarryNightSky11  <sup style="color:black">(talk)  03:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

To merge or not to merge
I'm considering merging Enhanced podcast into Podcast and wanted some input. I think Enhanced podcast passes WP:N and could continue to exist as a stand-alone article, but WP:MERGEREASON suggests that smaller topics should sometimes be merged into broader parent topics and I don't think the article will ever be much bigger than a stub. I didn't open a merge discussion because the article and the podcasting wikiproject get so little traffic that I don't think I would've gotten any input.

I was also curious what other editors thought of the sources. A lot of them seem to be promoting software used to create enhanced podcasts. Does that make those sources unreliable or non-independent because they have a vested interest in the use of the medium? Should those sources be removed or should the conflict of interest be mentioned in the article itself? TipsyElephant (talk) 02:37, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * What I think of the sources? WP:REFBOMB, for one thing. As for your main question, I suggest that you ask at Talk:Podcast. -- Hoary (talk) 04:25, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

How to create a new Wikipedia page?
Subhaji86 (talk) 07:25, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new Wikipedia article(not just a "page") is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia.  It takes much time, effort, and practice.  You greatly increase your chances of success if you first spend much time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.  Using the new user tutorial helps as well. Diving right in to article creation can lead to disappointment, frustration, and hurt feelings as your work that you spend hours on is mercilessly edited and deleted by others, often for reasons that an inexperienced user doesn't understand.  For that reason, I strongly advise you to edit existing articles first.
 * However, if you wish to attempt to create a new article now, please read Your First Article, gather as many independent reliable sources with significant coverage as you can, determine if the subject you wish to write about is notable as Wikipedia defines it, and then visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism is going on Neeraj Chopra article
Neeraj Chopra today own Gold medal in Jevelin throw, in Tokyo Olympic. Some vandals are doing vandalism on this article. Newton Euro (talk) 13:44, 7 August 2021 (UTC) This article should be protected to stop vandalism. Newton Euro (talk) 13:47, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Hiii, will you add information about gold medal win of Neeraj Chopra in his article. This article is protected dur to persistent vandalism. It also need copeyedit.Newton Euro (talk) 14:10, 7 August 2021 (UTC) Hi editor, will you edit Neeraj Chopra article. This article's talk page have lods of backlog of requests they have to be addressed. This article have high reader .Newton Euro (talk) 17:03, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No need to ping me or others directly on this. The request is listed at CAT:ESP (fixed link) and will be handled in time by any interested editor.  Just be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have just replied to some edit requests, and left various things untouched. This is something out of my subject. Every Wikipedia editor has a subject where they're interested, so please have patience at wait for the editors to have a look at the article who are interested in this subject. They'll definitely update and improve it based on available sources. ─ The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  17:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

If any editor from UK, US, Australia etc. did copey edit in this article regularly for few days, it'll be helpful for readers of this article. This article, I think has lods of lods of visiters. Many editors are editing it continuously. So the editor who have English as his first language can improve this article better than folks who has Eng as their 2nd or 3rd lang. This article has many problems, it's not looking upto the WP standards. I can't edit it because I'm a rookie. So any one who interested in Tokyo Olympic, sports, Athletics related article can improve this arti. Newton Euro (talk) 07:36, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

"This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources."
Hello! I'm sure you can tell that I'm new here. For the past day, I've been trying to create a wiki page for my programming language. This programming language is still in a very early development stage, so there's not that much information to put in the article at the moment. I've put all the information about this programming language that I know won't change any time soon. I've made sure to reference my codebase and GitHub pages, and I did use the GitHub API to get an accurate date for the first appearance of my programming language. And I'm the creator of this language. What am I doing wrong in this page exactly? Can someone explain more to me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mur-Lang EnderAdel (talk) 09:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @EnderAdel Firstly, you need to declare a conflict of interest. If it's in early development, then it might be a case of WP:TOOSOON, unless there are multiple reliable, secondary sources. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  11:04, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Second, you have no valid references. Confirming something exists (your programming language) does zero toward Wikipedia's concept of notability. Not until people completely unconnected to you or the company are publishing articles about the language, could this be considered as a topic for an article. (Wikipedia does not have "pages".) WP:TOOSOON clearly applies.

How to handle a not-properly-copyright logo at German WP, can we use low-res version here?
Background: It's always a bad idea to look at AfD. has successfully convinced me in an AfD discussion that Bruno Bergner, a German graphic artist responsible for the advertising materials of a former German petrol chain, isn't notable in himself. Bergner's article is too long and detailed given that there's only one decent source, but it'd be a pity to lose everything. The logical thing to do is to merge into an article on the petrol chain for which he worked, only we don't have an article. So I'm doomed to translating the German article so I can add the short sentence that Bergner does deserve... (and I shall cry if it doesn't qualify in itself for notability, or promptly gets prodded/sent to AfD five minutes after it hits main-space, but hey, that's life; draft under construction here ).

Question: The German WP article on this petrol chain, has a couple of pictures of Gasolin's logo at the top, but they don't appear when referred to in the English WP. The reason is that the files are in German WP, not in Commons. They can't be transferred to Commons because of copyright issues. I believe that it's allowable to show a company's logo, even though it's copyright, provided it's done in a low resolution, as an identifier of the company? Would this be an appropriate thing to do in an article on Gasolin AG? If so, how do I go about doing it? Sorry to be a bit stupid about this, but I've not done it before... Elemimele (talk) 10:49, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Elemimele If you create an en-WP Gasolin AG article, then you can add a logo, after the article is moved to mainspace. You upload it locally at en-WP as well. This is fairly simple, start at File Upload Wizard, click "Upload a non-free file" follow instructions, choose "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." > "This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc." A bot will take care of any high-res problem after awhile, so you don't have to worry about that part. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång brilliant! I'll get the article finished, leaving the non-functional images as place-holders, and deal with it on transfer to main space. Thank you for the instructions, it's much appreciated. Elemimele (talk) 11:38, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

How to stop edit war, vandalism ???
Hiii, their is consistently vandalism happening on Neeraj Chopra. Some edit war is happening for to push his cast name on other, such as this user User:The Arora ji is reverting again and again other users edits, they also don't write summary. I think they have to be blocked from editing. Some users added insulting information about Bullying of that athlete in his childhood. They also mentioned the name by which bullies use to insult him. It's intolerable, not acceptable. Bullying is a bad thing and horrible experience by through many kids go everyday. So don't glorify bullies by mentioning their things on WP. I need you to remove it from personal life & early life sub-section and block the user who is writing it on that article. regardsNewton Euro (talk) 08:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Newton Euro (talk) 08:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Not vandalism. The caste dispute edits by The Arira ji have been reverted. The mention of the term he was teased with as an obese child is confirmed in a reference. You have raised the question of whether childhood bullying/teasing belongs in the article on the article's Talk page. Continue there. David notMD (talk) 09:45, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Surge elec is doing repeated reverts on this article without discussing on talk page. As I read in WP rules and regulations, 1 can't revert more than 3 times in a article in 24 hrs. But this user reverting many many times. You can check this article's history. Take appropriate actions. Nothing elseNewton Euro (talk) 11:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I have only reverted once. I have not reverted multiple times. You may check. Surge_Elec (talk) 11:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Resp. admins - I have reverted my revert for which they have asked you to "take appropriate actions" against me. Surge_Elec (talk) 11:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Redirect to incorrect entry. I tried to fix it, but it was reverted.
Folk University is an educational institution type mostly targeted at adults in Sweden (multiple, at least 6 schools throughout country), Norway (30 offices throughout the country) and Netherlands (as far as I know, there is only one, in Amsterdam). English Wikipedia has only an article for People's University of Amsterdam.

For some reason Folk University page is a redirect to People's University of Amsterdam. This is confusing and wrong. I tried to change the redirect into a disambiguation page, but it was reverted, because only People's University of Amsterdam has a Wikipedia page.

Another wrong redirect is Folkuniversitetet. It is a Swedish word and if it should redirect to anything, it should be some page about Swedish education system, or general page about folk universities (which doesn't exist), or a disambiguation page. There is no reason whatsoever for a Swedish word to redirect to Dutch Folk University, especially that Swedish institutions of this type exist.

What is the correct course of action here? Redirecting every general definition to a single page about one Dutch institution is a bad idea. It's like instantly redirecting the word Canal to Suez Canal, just beacause there is no entry for canals in general, or Panama Canal, or Canals of Venice. Marcos &#91;Tupungato&#93; (talk) 12:35, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Is Folk high school (where German Volkshochschule redirects to) a better target? If not, then nominating these redirects at WP:RFD is the way to go, as you make a good case why they are misleading. —Kusma (talk) 12:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

"External link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist"
I am trying to publish a new article but the follow message appears: "Blacklisting indicates past problems with the link, so any requests should clearly demonstrate how inclusion would benefit Wikipedia. The following link has triggered a protection filter: 10 Either that exact link, or a portion of it (typically the root domain name) is currently blocked."

The problem is that it doesn't tell me which link is on the blacklist.

How can I found which link is on the blacklist? LuisaGoncalves2021 (talk) 11:35, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @LuisaGoncalves2021 Based on your comment and edithistory I can't say, but the list is here: . Perhaps you can figure it out with some ctrl-f:ing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Special:Log/spamblacklist/LuisaGoncalves2021 shows . You probably copied that link from a Google search results page. Add the actual url of the source: https://u.ae/-/media/Science-Technology-and-Innovation-Policy.ashx. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have tweaked MediaWiki:Spamprotectionmatch so the url is now displayed in the message. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Creating a new article when redirect already exists
Hi, I'm trying to create a new article for "Joan Irvine Smith" but a redirect already exists to a section of an existing article. Because of this I don't see the red link that gives the new page creation option. Not sure how to start the new article and remove the redirect, if necessary.

Thanks! Alan Alan Islas (talk) 12:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Alan Islas. See Help:Redirect. If your article is about a different person then please fix the links at Special:WhatLinksHere/Joan Irvine Smith so they get the right target. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:11, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

How Einstein was wrong
Einstein was wrong As we know that Sir Albert Einstein found a formula of E=mc2. In this he wanted to say that as graphite and diamond are forms of carbon, energy and mass are forms of a substance. He also said that energy stored in mass is equal to that mass times square of speed of light in vacuum. With this, mass can be converted to the energy. But it should be E=1/2mc2 where energy is equal to E, mass is equal to m and speed of light is equal to c. But this will only take place where a large amount of energy is released due to the movement of the body in the speed of light in vacuum. This proves that E=1/2mc2 should be the formula. As we all know that when mass is moving it possess kinetic energy whose formula is KE=1/2mc2, here kinetic energy is equal to E, mass is equal to m and speed of light is equal to c. Therefore, the formula should be E=1/2mc2.

But this is a case of higher things like nuclear fission or fusion in which we can see the sun where large amount of energy is released by the nuclear fusion, where the two hydrogen atoms combine to form a helium atom. But the main thing is the of two atoms of hydrogen both having 1 proton, 1 electron and 1 neutron which combine to form 2 electrons, 2 protons and 2 neutrons to form a helium atom. Therefore, the mass remains the same and so the resulting energy also. So, the thing said should be atoms of element have nucleus which we can break in nuclear fusion or nuclear fission. Here, the nucleus consists of proton and neutron which are bonded together by nuclear energy acting on them. When we break the nucleus, the nuclear energy is released. Therefore, Einstein should have said that the nucleus of an atom when broken release a large amount of energy (currently called nuclear energy). It is performed in the process of nuclear fission or nuclear fusion. But here, no mass is getting converted to energy or, energy is converted to mass. For example, the nuclear fission of uranium235.

Here, in every case the total is equal. Please, tell me if it is wrong and why. Thank you.

by                                                                                                                                                                               Anshuman Burman


 * Hello, welcome to the teahouse, do you have a question about how to edit on the site? As you have been repeatedly told on your talk page wikipedia is not the site to publish your thoughts on relativity, to be included here it would need to be published in reliable scientific publications, like a peer reviewed journal or textbook. If you continue to spam this essay onto random talk pages, sandboxes and noticeboards you are going to end up blocked for disruptive editing. Have you studied relativity in any detail, because there are numerous errors in this passage you've written and large chunks of it are nonsensical. The stuff about how the formula for mass-energy equivalence should have the same form as the equation for kinetic energy makes no sense at all, and the section about the mass of atoms is wrong - when you combine 2 protons 2 neutrons and 2 electrons to form a helium atom it does have less mass than the separate particles. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 10:51, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * reddit seems a perfect place to discuss that Machinexa (talk) 13:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

how do I change a page in order to turn it to be editeble
Abraham shoshani (talk) 10:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Abraham shoshani You might be looking for Unprotection. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  10:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Edit requests may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:12, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

ןis it immposible to edit the page on major deptrssion added in this edit by  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abraham shoshani (talk • contribs)


 * , Major depressive disorder is "semi-protected". On its talk page, Talk:Major depressive disorder, feel free to suggest improvements to the article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:18, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Semi-protected means your account needs to be more than four days old, and you have to have done more than ten edits. David notMD (talk) 14:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

== Ruwiki wandalism == here. 213.230.102.36 (talk) 13:27, 8 August 2021 (UTC) EditUZB (talk) 15:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the teahouse! Every language project is completely independent and gets to set their own rules and has their own set of administrators - this means an administrator from the English Wikipedia would not be able to help you with a block on the Russian project I'm afraid. You will need to appeal your block using whatever process the Russian Wikipedia has, there might be an email address somewhere for contacting the Russian equivalent of arbcom? 192.76.8.91 (talk) 15:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the email address you need is at ru:Википедия:Арбитражный_комитет? 192.76.8.91 (talk) 15:27, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

What is second wiki?
In planning to expand and improve the article Lauricocha culture, I ran across the "second.wiki" website. At first glance the second wiki article is a translation into English of the Spanish language Wikipedia article Hombre de Lauricocha. It is a much more complete article than the present English Wikipedia article on the Lauricocha culture. What is second wiki? Could I just copy the English translation of the Hombre de Lauricocha article into the English wikipedia article with attribution? Or is this a copyright no-no? Smallchief (talk) 12:31, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I am not experienced at copyright related stuffs but you could add some lines from spanish wiki to english wiki, and use reference as the referenced used in spanish wiki. DONT reference the spanish wiki page. Cite the reference which spanish wiki page has used in texts. If some text is used in spanish wiki, then using similar at english wont create any copyright issue imo. Also, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Even when using own words, you still have to cite the sources sources to verify the information Machinexa (talk) 13:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I would still like to know what is "second wiki." Smallchief (talk) 14:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't easily find an about-page, so my guess is some sort of Wikipedia mirror. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:50, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Made a Article, is it ok?
Please someone publish this article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Turkmen Wikiman2021language (talk) 04:37, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You have published Southern Turkmen, but those references which I have looked at talk about Turkmen, but not specifically about "Southern Turkmen" so I have proposed the article for deletion. You need to demonstrate the notability of the subject, and if the article were to remain you would also need to expand the bare urls which you have used as references.  --David Biddulph (talk) 05:15, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The first reference I looked at (one hosted at sil.org) was unfortunately not a paper; it merely described a paper, one that appeared in the journal article of which this is the contents list. It's specifically about Iranian Turkmen, aka Southern Turkmen. I've therefore removed the prod, though I agree that this stub needs a lot more work. -- Hoary (talk) 05:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Iranian Turkmens is an existing article. If the there are good sources, that article could be expanded with something about language. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:15, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

(talk), 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy ping. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:12, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Urgent:How to stop a user from unexplained removal of multiple citations from many pages.
Hi, in the process of updating the flag bearers with Citations for various countries participating in the 2020 Olympics, I discovered that this user(Skpaw)(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Skpaw) is actively deleting all the citations for flag bearers for multiple countries. He has already done this to the country pages for ROC/Singapore/Spain/Sri Lanka/Estonia/Argentina and many other countries in his contributions. I am in the process of reverting the edits but there are too many. Is there any way to stop him from removing all these citations? Atom105 (talk) 16:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Atom105 I have issued user a final warning, I thought user only did it to Singapore 2020 olympics article but seem like user didn't stop. If user continue with the disruptive behavior, please report user to WP:AIV.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition, from the contributions log, user also happily added content without actually adding the source by simply just mentioning them inside the edit summary which is pretty much useless and incorrect way to do it.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:44, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Paper9oll Hi, yes i noticed. However i am new here and not really sure how/what to do for WP:AIV. Can you report instead please? Meanwhile, I am trying to find and revert the citations he deleted. Thanks! Atom105 (talk) 16:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Atom105 No problem. I will continue to monitor the user to see if user stop their disruptive behavior.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: I have finished reverting 15 edits done by Skpaw(in which he removed all citations) Atom105 (talk) 17:35, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

I need help on editing Tokyo Metro 01 series and Tokyo Metro 03 series
86.12.228.137 (talk) 14:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC) I keep providing unreliable sources and I need help to edit an article.
 * Hi! I'm not sure exactly what the issue here, but i'd recommend discussing on the relevant talk pages (e.g. Talk:Tokyo Metro 03 series or seeking help/mentorship at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains, where people who know about trains and appropriate sources for train-related articles hang out. Or let us know here a little more about the problems you are having. From what I can tell it looks like you have been mostly removing information, and others have been putting it back, but I haven't looked through your contributions thoroughly. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

HELP with moving a page from sandbox to Wikipedia page
I finished an article in my sandbox, tried to convert it to a Wikipedia page, but must have incorrectly used the Move function. All I got was a renaming of my sandbox page with the name of the article, "Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors." I do not know how to correct this change nor how to move it to a new Wikipedia page. I need help here.Joflaher (talk) 18:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC)joflaher Joflaher (talk) 18:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Joflaher (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Joflaher: Welcome to the Teahouse. I've gone ahead and moved it to Draft:Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors for the time being. If you think it's ready, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page for review. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Help, help again in moving my sandbox page "Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors" for review?
Tenryuu, thank you for your speedy reply. I asked the following question "I finished an article in my sandbox, tried to convert it to a Wikipedia page, but must have incorrectly used the Move function. All I got was a renaming of my sandbox page with the name of the article, "Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors." I do not know how to correct this change nor how to move it to a new Wikipedia page. I need help here.Joflaher (talk) 18:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC)joflaher Joflaher (talk) 18:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Joflaher (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2021 (UTC) @Joflaher. Ylj replied "Welcome to the Teahouse. I've gone ahead and moved it to Draft:Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors for the time being. If you think it's ready, you can add to the top of the page for review. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

However, I can bring up the full text only when I click on your "Draft:Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors" and see no place at the top of the page, even when I bring up the Move function. Can you give me more directions on how to move the page using or, better still, move it for me?Joflaher (talk) 20:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Joflaher (talk) 20:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Simply edit the draft, and paste the template at the top of the page. --bonadea contributions talk 21:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Bonadea, thank you for your reply. Could you be more specific in describing where I past in " " and do I past in just  rather than the former term. Also, I can not get into my sandbox except to bring up a page which states: Redirect page  Jump to navigation  Jump to search Redirect to: User:Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors. I really need to get back my old sandbox page along with all of its history of my additions. I tried erasing the above statements but it's still not my old sandbox page. I had planned to start another Wikipage that directly relates to the Draft page topic. Again, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joflaher (talk • contribs)
 * @Joflaher: Just edit in at the top, which will notify a reviewer that the draft is ready for review. Your draft is no longer in your sandbox; please work on it at Draft:Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors. Its article history has been moved with it. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:14, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * First of all, please don't paste the template into this page – when you do that, it submits this page for review, which is not what you intended! I have added a template to the top of Draft:Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors, so now all you need to do is click on the blue "Submit" button. It needs to be you who does that, to make sure that you show up as the draft creator and are informed of the review process.


 * I have also tagged for deletion two pages you created by mistake when you moved the draft. Your sandbox history is still visible here, and you can create a new sandbox if you wish, at User:Joflaher/sandbox. I hope this helps – otherwise, please do not hesitate to ask for more help here. I am off to bed (it is past midnight in my time zone) but there are plenty of other helpful editors around. --bonadea contributions talk 22:16, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

No any reference in internet will my page published in wiki
Hello Shihan Ramji Prasad Bajracharya is my father who passed away few months back due to covid 19. He was a martial artist and he is highly admired in Nepal. I just wanted to write about his history and contributions in wiki so that People in Nepal get chance to know more about him but there are no any reference in internet as a son I just wanted to publish some of his history through wiki will my Page get published as there is no any reliable references in internet. But I have his all historic pictures and videos. As a son I know his history. 43.245.86.8 (talk) 16:12, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi 43.245.86.8. Very sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, this isn't really what Wikipedia is for. You could potentially write an article about him but there would have to be significant coverage of him in reliable sources, which per what you stated there probably isn't. You can use offline sources, if those exist, but they need to be reliable sources and we can't use people themselves as references. Wikipedia also recommends not writing about subjects where you have a conflict of interest, and isn't meant to include your own research and findings. Hope this helps, Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has rules. The relevant policy here is WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Articles written to memorialize someone are not allowed. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello IP editor. May I both offer you my condolences for the loss of your father to this awful virus, and also offer some practical advice to achieve your goal? I understand your desire to write about your father and to share memories and achievements with the world. (One day, I may do the same for members of my own family who have passed on. I have boxes of material I could use for this task) But you really don't want to waste your time trying to do this on Wikipedia. Instead, why not create a webpage about them using a free tool such as Google's Blogger? I have created a few such sites with https://www.blogger.com/, and they cost nothing to run, and so remain online for many years even if its creator has passed on. You would also have total control over what you put there, with nobody else able to alter anything (unlike here on Wikipedia). You would find the experience far less stressful, and it may also be a very therapeutic task for you and perhaps other family members to come together to collate those important memories of your father. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:14, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Moving a discussion
How do I move a discussion from my talk page to the articl's Talk page where it belongs? Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:46, 7 August 2021 (UTC) Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:46, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's one way to do it:
 * Open your user talk page in edit mode and copy the text you wish to move.
 * Open the article talk page and click New section. Paste the text you wish to move, note that you moved it from your user talk page, and save the page.
 * Back on your user talk page, you can delete the conversation and/or note that you moved it. Informing the original posted would be appropriate as well.
 * Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:04, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Jenhawk777 OH! I thought moving by copy-pasting was verbotten because you lost the page's edit history or some such thing. I guess it's different for a section on a talk page. Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * . You can use the templates Moved discussion to and Moved discussion from to indicate where the discussion is being moved to and where it was being moved from. You can take care of the page history stuff by including links in your edit summaries. Add a link to the new page in the edit summary for your user talk page and then add a link to the old page in the edit summary for the new page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Jenhawk777 You can also try c:User:Jack who built the house/Convenient Discussions. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  07:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you all so very much, but by the time I got these, I had already copy-pasted. I will keep these other suggestions in mind if there is ever a next time! Thank you again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 01:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

new submission
How do I submit a bio for Wikipedia? Jenifer Hood (talk) 01:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Added a header to this question. RudolfRed (talk) 01:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you elaborate on your question please? Are you asking how to submit a biography as an article to be created? Is this an autobiography, biography of a living person, or some other biography? –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  02:09, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * First step: have a suitable topic. If you don't have a suitable topic, then everything else is a waste of time. Who do you want to write about, and why? DS (talk) 02:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Map pics
Hello Teahouse hosts. I'm working on an article that is in my sandbox, and I'm having some trouble when I insert images. For example, ARTICLE'S IMAGE''' of the Plymouth Sound map is splendid with the location identified with a red dot and label which reads Plymouth Sound. I very much desire to use this red-dotted and appropriately labled image. However, when I copy the image file and paste it to my sandbox-draft-article, the dot and label drop out. So, how do I get the information to transfer with the pic? Kind regards to allHu Nhu (talk) 15:16, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 15:16, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the teahouse! There are a variety of ways of making maps for articles, Maps for Wikipedia is a relatively comprehensive list of the various types and styles available. The ones with the red dot are made using Template:Location map, which requires you to specify two parameters, the map, and the location and style of the marker. The template documentation includes an explanation of the various parameters you can use and a couple of examples of how to set up a map with a marker. Hope this helps, 192.76.8.91 (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello . I've give this an attempt which you can see   I'm utterly baffled by what I'm doing wrong. From the page Plymouth Sound I also see no template yet a location map is definitely on the Plymouth Sound page.  What am I doing wrong? Kind regardsHu Nhu (talk) 19:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You've almost got it, there's just a few errors in the way you've called the template: The template is called "location map" rather than "Relief location map", the map you want is called "Devon" rather than "Devon UK", and you've got an extra decimal point in your lon_deg parameter (you can either use decimal degrees in the lon_deg parameter or you need to use the lon_deg, lon_min and lon_sec for degrees, minuites, seconds). Try this code:


 * The reason you can't see the template in the other article is because the infobox includes a copy of the maps code. Hope this helps, 192.76.8.91 (talk) 20:17, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. I've tried this with mixed results.  In the end, I decided it did not really work so well for the article.  I do very  much appreciate your kind attention.  Most kind regardsHu Nhu (talk) 03:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Citations for information in InfoBox
Hi, I am having a conflict in editing Citations on the Canada at the 2020 Summer Olympics page. As per WP:HEP 1.3 "Generally, sources are added directly after the facts they support at the end of the sentence and after any punctuation", I am trying to copy the Citations in the main article to the Infobox to reflect that the information is cited. However, another User has now twice reverted my Edits with: WP:INFOBOX " generally not needed in infoboxes if the content is repeated (and cited) elsewhere" WP:INFOBOXREF

Can I clarify, what is the best practices here? Which WP takes precedence? Is consistency not recommended since other countries Flag Bearer's citations are beside the player names in the infobox? Thanks! Atom105 (talk) 01:05, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:HEP 1.3 tells you how references are added in a situation where they are needed, but WP:INFOBOXREF says they aren't needed in this situation. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @David Biddulph Ok. So to clarify for country pages which don't have the Flag Bearers with Citations mentioned in the Article itself, I can add the Citations besides their names in the Infobox instead? Atom105 (talk) 02:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, I take back my previous comment. After some thinking, I decided that I will follow best practice as per WP:INFOBOXREF "However, editors should first consider including the fact in the body of the article." and create paragraph for flag-bearers in the article pages themselves and move the citations to the paragraph from the InfoBox. Atom105 (talk) 04:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Is Draft:Stephen_Hogan still that bad?
I cannot believe there is not a single inclusionist left here. After I elaborated on his stage performances, he should be notable enough. I don't know what kind of depth the other deletionists are looking for from reliable sources. It's a cruel world that seems to suppress the actor from being recognized. Thanks. Supermann (talk) 18:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, Supermann, it's no better than before. It reads like a collection of links which mention Hogan, tied together with dodgy PR language. On 22 July, you were requested: "If you would like your submission to be considered for the millionth time, please identify the WP:THREE highest-quality, most in-depth sources about the subject and paste them on the talk page [of the draft]. Once you have done so, you may resubmit for consideration of those sources." You haven't done that yet, most likely because the sources don't exist.
 * If you are an undeclared paid editor working for The Lisa Richards Agency, or are in any way connected (socially, employment-wise, etc.) to Hogan, you must declare your conflict of interest on your User page or risk your account on Wikipedia being blocked.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:36, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Conflict of Interest? Please ask Deep Throat to expose me. There isn't conflict of interests whatsoever. Nil. Zilch! WP:THREE has been done on the talk page. And they still like to diminish him. So unfair with all the other craps out there. This is a violation of the Five pillars. Thanks. Supermann (talk) 19:59, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Your WP:THREE are pretty weak tea by Wikipedia's standards, being superficial and not in depth, and the last one being ad copy. You are advised to clearly declare on your user page the nature of your connection to Mr. Hogan, if any. Rather than pursue this article to the highest levels of Wikipedia while playing the role of victim, and WP:Wikilawyering in vain, I would suggest assuming good faith and not investing any more energy into Hogan's draft. Yes, he is talented, but no, not notable. This world is indeed a cruel place.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:35, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * How is the last one from the previous THREE from a film review person who has his own page on wikipedia then an ad copy? This just doesn't make sense. And while you ask me to assume good faith, has anyone assumed good faith towards me? It's like guilty until proven innocent!!! Even after deleting all the agency mention? There is nothing to declare in terms of conflicts of interests. You look at his long list of filmography, which each of has its own page, except for the Brooklyn one, and how come that still isn't enough? The following THREE clearly shows his lead role status on stage performance. Yes, it's quite cruel! No wonder the Taliban is winning in 2021. Allahu Akbar!
 * 13) Burnet, Andrew (Sep 22, 2002). "John Mighton's dramatic love story Possible Worlds teases the audience into a parallel universe of romance, murder and mathematics". Sunday Herald. p. 12.
 * 14) Hulme, Alan (March 26, 1999). "FAST FOOD Royal Exchange Studio - Recipe for a tasty night out". Manchester Evening News.
 * 15) Nowlan, David (Nov 26, 1997). "Reviews: Surprise Package". The Irish Times. Retrieved July 27, 2021. Supermann (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Irish Times: name mentioned once
 * Manchester Evening News 1999 is inaccessible
 * Sunday Herald 2002 is inaccessible
 * --Quisqualis (talk) 21:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You need Factiva or world-class university digital libraries to access these old stuff. During this editing process, I have grown to appreciate them more. I otherwise can't afford the various paywalls out there, because I am not paid by anyone. If you are interested, I can print these reporting back then into a PDF for you to verify it. I am not sure if there are anyone that are stupid enough to fake stuff like this. Supermann (talk) 01:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Free link containing the pdfs:
 * Manchester Evening News - https://www.dropbox.com/s/g2vqjp6u8yq4lsv/%28FACTIVA%29%20FAST%20FOOD%20Royal%20Exchange%20Studio%20-%20Recipe%20for%20a%20tasty%20night%20out.pdf?dl=0
 * Sunday Herald - https://www.dropbox.com/s/5lphlqxrye4ji9d/Factiva-08August20212129.pdf?dl=0
 * Non-free Factiva link:
 * Sunday Herald - https://global.factiva.com/redir/default.aspx?p=sa&an=sundhe0020020923dy9m0000c&cat=a&ep=ASE
 * Manchester Evening News - https://global.factiva.com/redir/default.aspx?p=sa&an=mn00000020010907dv3q00jjy&cat=a&ep=ASE Supermann (talk) 01:36, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing dropbpox versions of those two sources. I've checked both, and found no discussion of Hogan at all, just mentions of him. Maproom (talk) 06:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Policy Question: Removal of Content At Behest of Living Person
Greetings!

I have had an account on Wikipedia for a bit now and I mostly partake in RC patrolling. During my patrol today I noticed the following edit: link.

I'm actually... not too sure how to handle this. The only policy (that I can find, though I didn't look for too long) that might apply is WP:REDACTION, though that seems to more so be a disclaimer about inappropriate content being on Wikipedia, rather than the redaction of information. My intuition tells me that this is not how Wikipedia works, and that content should be added and be present so long as it is truthful, but I'd like to get the opinion/advisement of more senior editors. Sirdog9002 (talk) 04:25, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To add-on a query; shouldn't there be a link or verification email from the User(User Naldo247 in this case) editing it which shows that the real Ms. Bisnath has actually told him/her to remove these references? else I can also claim to be Ms. Bisnath and request deletion of certain information. Atom105 (talk) 04:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:NPF and WP:AVOIDVICTIM seem pertinent here. WP:BLP1E too for that matter. I'd be inclined to nominate for deletion actually, under BLP1E. PrimalBlueWolf (talk) 05:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Many editors keep disliking pageant bios and many editors keep creating them. I have argued for deletion for sub-country pageant winners before, but I don't think I would support deletion of country winners. They usually easily pass WP:GNG. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ysabel Bisnath is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Ysabel Bisnath until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. PrimalBlueWolf (talk) 06:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Sirdog9002 your intuition is correct. This is not how Wikipedia works. The article is not her CV. It is not her profile. It is not her page. Whether it adds value to her future career is the farthest thing from what would be valid inclusion or exclusion criteria. It appears that the only reason she even has an article is the pageantry. With that removed, the article is WP:A7. We do not need to verify whether the account is being truthful in claiming that they are acting on behalf of the subject, because in either case, the way we treat them does not change. They have a WP:COI which they should follow. That said, they can remove content per WP:BLP in which case the content can't be restored without consensus. Or they can ask for an AFD per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE; editors may ask for proof of identity in this case. I doubt there will be consensus to deleting an article on Miss [Country] just because they'd like to be known as a lawyer. But who knows? It could be, though unlikely, that she fails WP:GNG. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Usedtobecool Thank you for your lengthy answer, the clarification is appreciated! The same goes for you taking the time to revert the edit yourself. Cheers! Sirdog9002 (talk) 06:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Reliable sources
What are reliable sources and how to add them? I'm confused about reliable sources. Can someone help me? Thanks. MrDude1881 (talk) 05:05, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you read Reliable sources? It explains everything. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , did you read the responses in the lowermost thread in "archive 1119"? (They're written especially for you.) One recommends Help:Menu/Site map. You look within that for "reliable source", and you click on the link. -- Hoary (talk) 07:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with my article
I wrote an article about a French-Afghan journalist, would anyone be able to look at it? I am especially curious about if the sources are alright.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mortaza_Behboudi Fredellis01 (talk) 07:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Since this is a BLP, some of the primary sources are unlikely to hold up. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  08:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Level of changes
When you state your preferences, you can choose the difficulty of the changes you want to make, but for me, the ast difficulty level is locked. I tried creating a page, make ten changes but that didn't unlock it. Do you know how to unlock it ?Craffaeldabest (talk) 08:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC) Craffaeldabest (talk) 08:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Craffaeldabest Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you talking about WP:AUTOCONFIRM? If so, you're not there yet, see . If you are thinking about starting new articles, take the time to read Help:Your first article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

"Quick Facts" box
Hello! Im new to Wikipedia editing (kinda, i made an edit in 2018, but it was only one edit) and i was wondering how to create the box that usually has facts such as the name and age of the person/thing the article is about (the box is labelled "Quick Facts" on mobile). Thanks! NowInHD (talk) 18:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello . I am here checking on a question I posted and I saw your post.  I'm not a Teahouse host and so hope I am not somehow violating etiquette. Apologies to all if this is the case.  Nevertheless, I may be able to assist you.  I've created several articles and included the type of box of which you reference.  What I do to accomplish this is look for articles of a similar topic and the copy and paste the box from the edit tab of that article.  For example, for a biography article, I look for another biography and use what that editor used.  Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 19:35, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * NowInHD, FYI, the box is generically known as an WP:INFOBOX.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Quisqualis and Hu Nhu! NowInHD (talk) 23:01, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Definitely allowed and encouraged to respond to people on WP:TEAHOUSE, thank you for your helpful answers! Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Net worth policy for public figures?
I think that in the past net worth of business magnates was in their info box, maybe something changed, is there a Wikipedia policy on this? My question is (1) does net worth belong in the info box and (2) what is considered a proper source for this? There seems to be many unreliable websites for this info. I was not able to find this info at WP:BLP. For example it seems useful to have net worth in the info box for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos and other similar people, instead of buried in the page content. CosmicNotes (talk) 08:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @CosmicNotes, hi! It was deprecated. See Template talk:Infobox person. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Usedtobecool Thanks! CosmicNotes (talk) 09:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Declined Draft: Lalitha Kanneganti - Problem with Resubmission
I have recently submitted a draft titled Lalitha Kanneganti which was declined. Thereafter, when i try to resubmit the draft with the suggested changes it shows the following error "Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist"

How can I resolve it? Acrobat248 (talk) 07:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC) Acrobat248 (talk) 07:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , direct external links should not appear in the content of Wikipedia articles. I have therefore removed one from Draft:Lalitha Kanneganti. I don't know if this is related to your blacklist problem. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , it is still showing the same error. How can I identify the link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acrobat248 (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, can you see the logs at ? Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

italian wikisource author link on Marianna Candidi Dionigi
is it acceptable to place wikisource author template https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Autore:Marianna_Candidi_Dionigi on Marianna Candidi Dionigi. if yes, what is the right way? 28july21 (talk) 04:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @28july21, hi! (Not any kind of expert in these matters but) the wikisource link is included in wikidata. The article on Italian Wikipedia seems to show that link on the left sidebar but the English Wikipedia does not. So, I am thinking these choices were made deliberately. If the Italian wikisource link were suitable for the English Wikipedia article, the system should have also put it into the "In other projects" of the left sidebar where there is only a link to Commons currently. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. The guide for when and how to link to Wikisource from Wikipedia articles is at WP:Wikisource. I don't believe that it mentions Wikisource in other languages, or that the templates support this; but it seems to me that the principles are the same. If you decide it is appropriate, you can use , which displays as s:it:Autore:Marianna Candidi Dionigi, and links to the Italian Wikisource author page. --ColinFine (talk) 10:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I get responses regarding deleted contributions?
Hi there, my contribution to the article Locach was deleted by Cassiopeia in a few seconds after I published it. It only took Cassiopeia less than one minute to read, delete, write and send me an email telling me that I hadn't included a reliable citation. However, after I responded and explained what reliable source I had used, I haven't received any response for three days. How may I hear from Cassiopeia and get the problem resolved? Thank you.

The Talk communications are included below for your convenience:

Hello, I'm Cassiopeia. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Locach, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Cassiopeia(talk) 06:22, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

You are so fast! However, I did include a reliable source, a scholarly article by a senior scholar in the field published in a peer-reviewed leading journal that is over seven decades old. Did you see it? Thanks. Laodaahh (talk) 07:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC) Laodaahh (talk) 09:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * notifying  melecie   t  09:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * they seem to be an active user, just haven't seen your response. I've notified them here. in other times, you may go and ask them in their talk page by clicking the "talk" link in their signature, or bring attention by using . happy editing! melecie   t  09:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I didnt know you sent me a message as you didnt ping me. I will reply you on your talk page.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:105%;color:#FF8000"> Cassiopeia</b>  talk  09:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello @Laodaahh, I think they made a mistake when on patrol for vandalism. You did not WP:PING them so they should be forgiven for not responding again. When that happens, you can go to their talk page to continue the conversation. They left you a message at User talk:Laodaahh which is your talk page; you can find them at User talk:Cassiopeia which is theirs. You can also reinstate your edit (preferably with a clear edit summary) if the other party does not continue the conversation after once reverting your edit. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Whoa! Thank you so much, everyone! Now I see. Nice to learn. @Melecie @Cassiopeia @Usedtobecool Laodaahh (talk) 11:23, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Updating disputed information when there is a COI
I have a COI with Henieken. There is some information on Heineken NV page with regards to their links to slavery that is disputed. Is it possible to update the information to state the unproven nature of these facts? What is the process of changing unproven info when there is a COI? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 10:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. When you want a change made to an article where you have a COI, whatever the change, the best practice is to raise an edit request on the article's talk page, being as precise as possible about what change you are requesting. --ColinFine (talk) 10:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You should also declare your COI on your User page. At a different article, you have stated on the Talk page that you have a COI, and have requested a change, yet neither there nor on your own User or Talk pages do you declare the nature of your COI. David notMD (talk) 11:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

My edits to IBM_POWER_microprocessors
Hello, I made significant changes from the existing page because it is wholly inaccurate all the way through - most of it is entirely made up fiction. I am the original inventor of the RS/6000 and POWER series of processors, and I am the sole shareholder and owner of IBM, so all of the information I put in it is 100% accurate.

My edit should be posted publicly. Ndrw010 (talk) 02:43, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * What on earth does IBM POWER microprocessors have to do with organized crime? –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲   talk  02:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * IBM is a public company with many shareholders. Don't feed the trolls. -- Longhair\talk 03:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As IP this editor removed large amounts of referenced content and added large amounts of unreferenced content - all reverted minutes later. To : Ignoring your statement that you own IBM (!?!?) if you believe the article IBM_POWER_microprocessors contains errors, the place to make a case is on the Talk page of the article. Any change you propose there must be supported by published references considered reliable sources. The article was created in 2013 and has been relatively stable since the early years. David notMD (talk) 11:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I removed a long screed of nonsense from Ndrw010, who is now indef blocked; since it contained some real-life names I'm gonna revdel it as well as a BLP violation, since whoever wrote that was purporting to be a presumably real person. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  11:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Clarification on Citation Style
Hi, I came across a different type of citation style being done by another user at this Page (Specifically the Karate section). Can I check if this style is allowed or should we practice the normal style of citation(i.e. using )? Thanks! At o m105  Talk  13:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I rally can't tell what that user was doing, the fact they're not using edit summaries makes it really difficult to follow what they're trying to do. They're inserting links to a PDF of the medal ratings, but I can't tell whether they're supposed to be citations or just an external link for further reading. To answer your question, no, inserting plain external links into an article is not a generally accepted method of citing sources, as the resulting links are Bare URLs missing key bibliographic information that makes them prone to link rot. If they are intended to be citations then converting them to a proper citation syle with full information on the source is entirely acceptable (and is activley encouraged). 192.76.8.91 (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh no!! This user(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sahil0411) has already edited at least 200+ pages to add all the citation as external links like that above. Do we need to re-edit all of them? At o m105   Talk  13:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Can this draft be deleted?
There is this draft titled Draft:Enzo is awsome created on 30 April 2021 which has a single sentence with wrong grammar and spelling, and has no citations. So can this be deleted because.. it's just useless? Excellenc1📞 13:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftspace is self-cleaning - everything that hasn't been edited in over 6 months is automatically deleted, there's no need to go searching through it for stuff that is never going to become an article. To delete a draft the page either has to fall under one of the general criteria for speedy deletion (ie G1 - G14) or have a discussion at Miscellany for deletion (but the regulars there really don't like it when people waste everyone's time by discussing drafts that should have been left to be deleted automatically, see Ragpicking). For drafts like this which are never going to become an article but are generally harmless the best thing to do is leave them. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 14:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Help me correctly title a just published but Incorrectly titled Wikipedia page.
A new page I created and titled Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors was actually titled myofibroblastic tumors in its published Wikipedia page. The World Health Organiztion actually titles these tumors as Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors. How to I retitle this page correctly. If the forward slash is unacceptable in the title, the page should be titled Fibroblastic and myofibroblastic tumors.Joflaher (talk) 12:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC) Joflaher (talk) 12:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I've moved the article to Fibroblastic/myofibroblastic tumors. Zudo (talk • contribs) 14:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

YouTube = Reliable source?
is youtube a reliable source? MrDude1881 (talk) 12:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * In most cases, no. Please see WP:YOUTUBE for more details.--Shantavira|feed me 12:30, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Or WP:RSPYT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Trying to update a page
I am getting flagged for adding content to a page. I do know the individual and understand that may be considered a conflict. Can someone assist? The page is: Aaron Lieberman. Thank you Matt Grodsky (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * It looks like your edit was reverted by, likely because the source was not sufficiently reliable for a biography of a living person. Primary sources are not preferred for BLP articles. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  17:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

AGAM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:AGAM

Hi, I'm new to wiki. Wrote an article for official purpose. Sadly it got declined, I tried to follow all referencing guidelines and feeling confused what to add or remove to get this page approve. Any kind help will be really appreciated. Thanks in advance. JMB Shovon (talk) 10:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * All the refs fail. Some only confirm the company exists. Others are to the company's own website. And the last two are press release derived. This may be a WP:TOOSOON situation. What is required are published sources independent of the company that write about the company at length, not just in-name-only mentions. If those are not available, then there is no hope for this proposed article. Also, your wrote "Wrote an article for official purpose." That sounds as if you are an employee. See WP:PAID about how to declare your paid status on your User page. David notMD (talk) 11:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Last, do not ask the same question here and at the Help desk. All you did was waste people's time to get the same answer in two places. David notMD (talk) 11:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

David notMD thanks for the kind reply. Please help, here is a published independent source like - toughnickel.com/personal-finance/AGAM but unable to cite it as a reference. Yes, I am currently employed in this company and would like to abide by wiki terms. There will be more reference available once our first android app on Google PlayStore called PrimeAgrim gets launch after quarantine ends. Lastly, pardon for asking these things twice actually even more I reckon! As a new user such source coding and stuffs are being quite overwhelming! Wishing for a little bit more support from you all... — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMB Shovon (talk • contribs) JMB Shovon (talk) 16:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Your use of the phrase "for official purpose" suggests that you have the (verry common) misunderstanding that a Wikipedia article about your company would in some way belong to your company: it would not. It would not belong to the company, would not be for the benefit of the company, would not be under the control of the company, would not necessarily say what the company would like it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected to the company have chosen to publish about it, not on what the company says or wants to say. --ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

ColinFine thanks for the guidelines. I'm now aware that our company will not have any rights regarding this article/page and the fairly unbiased wiki community will maintain and protect it. Still, I'm just trying to provide some basic publicly available free information to make a start of the page name before it gets taken. Hope it will be alright and I believe as an educational literacy provider our self, this noble wiki will be benefit for us all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMB Shovon (talk • contribs)
 * Hello again, . "Before it gets taken" makes no sense. An article about something notable called AGAM would be called AGAM unless there were articles about more than one thing called AGAM, in which case they would be disambiguated as AGAM (company) etc. There is nothing that depends on what gets there first. --ColinFine (talk) 14:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again ColinFine for breaking my misconception. It's been very helpful. JMB Shovon (talk) 15:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @JMB Shovon: Like said, it is possible that an article about the company you work at may be too soon. You'd have to find reliable sources that are independent from the company and covers it significantly to establish its notability (as Wikipedia defines it).  — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to all for the kind help & support. Will keep updating the draft:AGAM and again get reviewed from the wiki community once cited with some notable references soon. Praying for the best! JMB Shovon (talk) 15:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I cut a lot of promotional language. But if you cannot find independent reliable source references, no amount of revision will advance this draft. David notMD (talk) 17:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Question
Hello, am I able to create a page about a business? This business is a famous pizza take away in the UK called “Shreks Pizza” and want to create a page for them, thanks in advance. JamesWikiq (talk) 13:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Welcome to the teahouse! In order to have an article here this restaurant would need to meet Wikipedia's definition of a notable business. To meet this standard the restaurant would need to have been the subject of multiple, in-depth pieces of coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the restaurant, you're looking for things like news reports or coverage in books. For a business article material published by the company itself (like press releases and sponsored content) does not count towards establishing notability. If the company does meet this definition then I would recommend using the Articles for creation process to write your article, which will involve an experienced editor reviewing the page before it is added to the encyclopaedia. You may also want to have a read of Your first article which has some good advice. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 13:46, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * What 192.76 said. I got one hit on google news, These are all the Manchester takeaways with a zero or one star hygiene rating, and it's only a passing mention. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft was Speedy deleted, meaning there is no Wikipedia record of it having been created. You can ask the deleting Administrator for the draft back, but better to accept that the pizza joint does not warrant an article. David notMD (talk) 17:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I want to know what should i do on this article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ireedui_Gantogtokh also he has approved Mongolian wikipedia page https://mn.wikipedia.org/wiki/IZ I dont want to write fake details about him on his article.

I want to be independent and real contribator of wikipedia

Please tell me whats wrong on his article? Mongolhun12 (talk) 16:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mongolhun12, the article lacks sources to show the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article, see WP:GNG. Sources like YouTube or Spotify are user-generated and not reliable, neither is Amazon. Please see WP:NMUSICIAN for the notability guideline on musicians. I also recommend reading WP:YFA. Good luck on the article. — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 17:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To add to that, each language of Wikipedia is a seperate project with seperate rules and (likely) different editors. Therefore, the existence of an article in one project cannot be used as an argument for or against the existence in another. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Status: Draft:Ireedui Gantogtokh Declined three times, Rejected, Declined again, resubmitted. David notMD (talk) 17:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Account Delete
I want to delete my user page permanently Lolloboiii (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the teahouse! For copyright reasons it is impossible to delete an account (all edits must be attributed to their contributor), if you no longer wish to edit here simply stop using your account. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 18:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If however you want to delete your user page (i.e. this: User:Lolloboiii) you can add anywhere on the page and an administrator will delete it for you. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 18:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Userpage deleted. -- Longhair\talk 18:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Title
I want to make a page about the industrialization drive of a government. I mean, while Government of west bengal was under the left front, they wanted to industrilize the state and was successful partially. Can i make an article on this? And if yes, let me know what should be the title. Is it should be "Industrialization drive under Left Front Government of West Bengal"? I am asking because this is too big. AnkurWiki 15:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! The answer is possibly—it depends on how much sourcing is available on the topic. If there's a lot, you could probably create a page for it. But creating a new page is one of the hardest things for a new Wikipedian to do, so if you're content with writing something more brief, I'd suggest considering instead expanding the existing History of West Bengal to cover the industrialization drive. You could redirect "Industrialization drive of the Left Front government of West Bengal" to it and then perhaps later spin it off into its own page if it gets too long to fit on the main history page. As always, make sure you add references wherever you decide to cover the information. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 16:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as the title goes, you could also consider 19__-19__ West Bengal industrialization drive, if it occurred during discrete years. But your proposal does not seem that terribly long to me. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @ &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk Actually I have not seen the History of West Bengal page earlier, it's nothing but a copy of Politics of West Bengal. So proposed it for deletion. Now I am preparing the article in my notes and sandbox, it may end up with a section in Politics of West Bengal article or as a standalone page. Also I am not any new editor, I have created pages before, though they may not be so good. Anyways, thank u for helping.  @Calliopejen1 actually there are numerous events during the tenure. So will try to cover up this. Thank you for the name. AnkurWiki 18:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help with submitting page
I have submitted a page twice and have been declined twice. I am seeking advice and /or help on specifically what I can do to help write the page to the specific requirements. Zeebs8 (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Zeebs8: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reviewer notes that the sources don't seem to provide significant coverage of the subject. Are there any better reliable sources that do? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:43, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Zeebs8 (talk) 15:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC) Thanks for the kind reply! I followed all referencing guidelines, is there a list of acceptable news outlets/references I should refer to? I used all independent sources: Women’s Wear Daily, Yahoo Finance, Cheddar News, Ozy.com, Page Six aka New York Post. Not sure how to move forward, are there more accepted references you recommend?
 * , Hello and welcome. Try WP:RSP. That's a good starting point. Happy editing! -- A Rose Wolf  15:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Something that shouldn't technically be necessary but that de facto may help you with reviewers is to expand the bare URL references into full references (see Help:REFBEGIN) and to place a copy of your three strongest references immediately after the first sentence. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 16:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I suspect that the standard message that the reviewer has put on has caused you to focus on just one of the three separate requirements for a source to establish notability. One is that it be a reliable source, to be sure - somewhere that has a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking; but the other two requirements are just as important: that it be independent of the subject: if it is repeating what the subject has said or written about themselves, it is not independent; and that it have significant coverage of the subject, not just a passing mention. All three must be met to for a source to contribute to notability. --ColinFine (talk) 18:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Nonsense redirection of article "Pahonia" to article "Coat of arms of Lithuania"
The article "Pahonia" redirects to the article "Coat of arms of Lithuania". This redirection gravely misinforms Wikipedia users unaware of the history of the region and is sheer nonsense. If we consider the issue synchronically, the word "Pahonia" (in this transliteration exactly) is the present-day Belarusian word for a very specific Belarusian emblem only (the national coat of arms of the Belarusian People's Republic; the national coat of arms of the Republic of Belarus in 1991 to 1995; one of the symbols of protest against Lukashenka's regime in the today's Belarus). The word "Pahonia" does not mean, has never meant, and has never been used to mean "the coat of arms of Lithuania" (meaning the present-day Republic of Lithuania which is not the same as the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (GDL) as some Wikipedia editors attempt to present the situation). In Belarusian, the Lithuanian coat of arms has no specific name, and it is called "Vytis" in the present-day Lithuanian. Besides, both Pahonia and Vytis as national coats of arms of Belarus (previously) and of Lithuania (currently) respectively have very specific standard depictions which were approved by the respective governments. It is possible to see with the naked eye that these depictions are very different. Diachronically, both symbols certainly derive from the coat of arms of the GDL which, historically, was a multiethnic state with prevailing non-Lithuanian population and a Slavic official language (Ruthenian or Chancery Slavonic), and not a monoethnic Lithuanian state. As far as I understand the situation a separate article for Pahonia used to exist in the English Wikipedia. Then some editors aggressively pushing a very biased point of view on the history of the GDL began to demand its deletion. The issue was in arbitration and in dispute resolution. With the help of the moderators unaware of the intricacies of the regional history and of very different national points of view regarding the history of the GDL and its symbols, the editors pushing for this nonsense redirection were successful. To correct this grave mistake, I believe, two solutions exist: 1. removal of the redirection of "Pahonia" to "Coat of arms of Lithuania" and restoration of a separate article "Pahonia"; 2. redirection of "Pahonia" to the article "National emblem of Belarus" (very ironically, this latter article includes the word "Pahonia" 38(!) times), which would be the correct redirection. My question is how either of options 1 or 2 can be initiated considering the fact that the issue in general has already been in arbitration and in dispute resolution and a very pushy editor exists in the English Wikipedia who has argued for the current extremely biased status quo. Temu-Djehuty (talk) 17:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi,, welcome to the Teahouse! You can start a discussion about this redirect at Redirects for discussion. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  17:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Temu-Djehuty (talk • contribs)
 * An RFD probably wouldn't be appropriate here, since this redirect was created as a result of a dispute resolution case and an RFC that was closed less than a week ago, see Talk:Pahonia and Dispute resolution noticeboard/Archive 207. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 18:06, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is correct. Please keep this in mind . –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  18:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've already read the pages concerning the arbitration and the dispute resolution in the case. Besides, I can't even tag the redirect page for an RfD according to the procedure as I'm a new user on the Wikipedia and the redirect page is extended-protected. So, what the procedure would be in this particular situation?Temu-Djehuty (talk) 18:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedure would likely be to let it go. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  18:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Nominating a Template for Deletion
Hello, I am a new user and am not sure if this is the right place to request the deletion of a template on the page of Ronald DePinho. I believe I have addressed the issues that had been flagged (neutrality, citations, sounding like a resume) and was under the impression I could remove the flags myself. I tried to start a Talk discussion but cannot find a way to do that. Please tell me if I am doing this incorrectly.

I would like to disclose here that these contributions are made on behalf of Ronald DePinho for him and in consultation with him as part of my helping to edit articles for him as a freelancer for a small fee. I intend to follow all of Wikipedia's guidelines, including those on WP:COI, WP:RS, WP:V and WP:NPOV, very closely. My aim is to work with and seek advice from impartial editors to make positive contributions to Ronald DePinho's page, which I updated to be exactly like those of his notable peers. Thank you jasmit53 18:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Jasmit53 If you believ the issues have been addressed, then you can remove them, though it would be better if a different editor checked the page first. You are not nominating a template for deletion, but removing it from the page. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  19:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * It is a bad bad bad idea for a paid editor to remove the maintenance templates, especially those relating to WP:NPOV. Make an edit request (WP:ER) if you believe they are no longer necessary. Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Symbol watching blue lashes.svg Courtesy ping: — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Business Organization Page
Can someone here build a basic page for Way.com ? AssistsMo (talk) 21:43, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't know. If there are reliable, independent, published sources for the notability of Way.com, then presumably someone can build an article about Way.com (but for readers). -- Hoary (talk) 21:52, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

My question
How do you make a page? TheDragonMaster2 (talk) 22:53, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * By carefully following all the advice you'll find within Help:Your first article. -- Hoary (talk) 23:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Making a Wikipedia article is one of the most challenging things you can do. Most beginners fail to read the full instructions beforehand. I strongly encourage you to follow the steps in WP:Your First Article. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

new post for biography!
Dear all,

I am brand new and creating posts, and would like some guidance in preparing a biography for our company's chairman. I already created an initial page, which has been declined by wiki. I assume issued with the contents. Any guidance is greatly appreciated.

regards,

michell Michellvargasbcl (talk) 22:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, thank you for coming to the Teahouse. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
 * disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Conflict of interest);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Spam);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
 * In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.
 * Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲   talk  22:05, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Declare paid on your User page. You have not edited Draft:Martyn Bould since it was declined in February. There are very large sections of content with no references (in fact, the draft has no references). All content must be referenced, or else deleted. David notMD (talk) 23:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Michellvargasbcl. I read within your old draft such stuff as First, our readers are not chums with Martyn Bould and would therefore think of him not as "Martyn" but as "Bould". But that's a relatively minor point. The major one is that what you concocted was a corporate CV cum PR release, whereas this website is an encyclopedia, not a congeries of corporate bull. (And there's nothing atypical about that sample: I was chuckling over and more.) I strongly suggest that you give up the enterprise of creating an article about this man. If you're obliged to create something, start afresh and write something utterly different based on independent sources (or better, wriggle out of the obligation). -- Hoary (talk) 23:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I concur that this calls for WP:TNT. The article as it is written will never be accepted. There's no sourcing. Try to forget everything you know about him, and Google him.  If you find enough reliable sources about him (see WP:RS for what makes a source relaible), synthesize what you find and don't just cut and paste. If you think there's enough, read WP:COI and make the proper disclosure.  Then read WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. Then you might have a chance. But honestly, you're better off wriggling out of this. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  00:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Featured article
Hi, let me know the criteria to nominate an article as featured article? Shaji issac (talk) 01:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi! The criteria are here. Hope this helps. WhoAteMyButter  ( 📨talk │ 📝contribs ) 01:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Paid YouTube
Can one be payed as a youtube editor Bodaskolan (talk) 23:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You would have to ask YouTube if they would pay you to be an editor on Wikipedia, but I doubt it very much. 331dot (talk) 23:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I'm not sure what you mean by "youtube editor".  If you're referring to someone who uploads videos to YouTube, then the answer is yes - see YouTube (but this has nothing to do with Wikipedia).  GoingBatty (talk) 04:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Different IP Addresses?
So I just noticed that my mobile account and computer account for Wikipedia have 2 different ips (The computer one is blocked), why is that? Blue Jay (talk) 04:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * IP addresses are volatile for most home internet users and nearly all mobile users. This means you could find that you have a different IP address assigned to your connection the next time you log in.
 * Are you saying you have two different accounts registered, one for the computer and one for the phone? That's allowed, but there may be restrictions on how you edit from the two accounts. (For more, see: WP:username policy.) If the IP is blocked, and it was not blocked because of your actions, it should not matter when you log in with a registered account.
 * If the IP block was directed at you as an individual, it applies even if you find another IP address to come in from and to your registered account. Continuing to edit while blocked is a form of block evasion.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 05:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

No, what I’m trying to say is why I have 2 different IP addresses for the same account (I’m on mobile, so my ip here is different than on pc, which has a different one) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The great Jay (talk • contribs)
 * Your cell carrier assigns you one IP address, and your home Internet service provider assigns you another. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  05:37, 10 August 2021

Ah, makes sense. Blue Jay (talk) 06:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Think of it this way, . IP addresses are assigned to internet accessible devices, not to individual people or to online accounts. Usually, they are not stable, so, if you edit Wikipedia from two devices, you will have AT LEAST two IP addresses, and probably many more as time goes by. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Username change?
Hi! This is a bit embarrassing to ask, but when I first signed up, ages ago, I failed to notice the username policy, which eventually landed me an indefinite ban in my native language (my username is a cuss word in Chilean Spanish). I'd like to see the possibility of changing my username (or just my username in the Spanish wiki, if at all possible), since I don't see the option in the 'preferences' menu. Ahueonao (talk) 06:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please make a request here: Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Usernames are the same across all Wikis hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation, meaning if you change your Username in the spanish Wikipedia, it will also change here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Just wondering
Am I the only one who recognizes that Wikipedia has felt more like a deadzone than it did about a year ago, or is that just me? TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 07:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A year ago many people were in COVID lockdowns and stuck at home, so they were available to edit. 331dot (talk) 07:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Speaking as someone who's been here for over 15 years, to me it feels more like a bureaucracy than it did when I started. And during the COVID-19 lockdown I actually had less spare time, because the boundaries between my day job and my home life disappeared. I have not complained; I feel fortunate to have remained employed. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

'Did You Know' nomination inappropriate
The composer Louis Andriessen sadly died a few weeks ago. Around the same time my article Theatre of the World was published. An editor then nominated it for DYK for a spurious reason. It would appear entirely disrespectful if WP used this on its front page. I've made my objection but I am uncertain what the status is. Hopefully editors will understand - this is very insensitive - but no acknowledgement in the DYK chat. Could someone advise me the status please? Always grateful. Thelisteninghand (talk) 14:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think your comment got missed because you left it at the talk page rather than the nomination page. I've moved the comment and pinged the nominator and reviewer—that should generally be your first port of call, to get in touch with the users (by pinging or messaging on their talk page), rather than the Teahouse. As for the nomination, it was just hanging in limbo, not rejected (which is marked by the reviewer with Symbol delete vote.svg) and not accepted (marked with Symbol confirmed.svg). — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:01, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thelisteninghand had posted to the discussion but it is commented out; the others have seen it, per the discussion. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That was a different comment. — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello @Thelisteninghand! Someone has to approve it with a tick (like Symbol confirmed.svg) and then someone else will have to come and "Promote" it. Only then will it be moved to the queue for the mainpage. Then, sometime later, it will get published. Currently, even the first step, the tick, has not happened, so you do not need to panic. It could take weeks. You have commented and the discussion is ongoing; someone should try and address your concerns before it gets approved. It is a discussion for now, and you can participate, which you are doing. Wikipedia discussions are not live chat, so they can go very slow too.As to the specific, it seems like you are opposing describing the work as grotesque, and not the idea of DYK itself. But you say you oppose DYK or posting to mainpage which does not make sense to me. Editors improve articles about the people that they like when they have recently died, and try to get them to the mainpage, either in the DYK or the IN THE NEWS section, so that as many people as possible can find the article and read about their achievements, as a way to pay respects and celebrate their life. If you indeed object getting it to the mainpage altogether for some reason, you are unlikely to get your way.The half questions that start with "... that" are called hooks and they are what are proposed be published on main page. If you don't like a hook, you should explain why, and propose an alternative hook (another interesting fact from the article, written in the same format). Editors will discuss all alternatives and choose the best one by WP:CONSENSUS. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that Gerda had reached out to you a month ago, trying to discuss your concerns but you dismissed them. That is probably why no progress has been made. You need to discuss it with them in a respectful manner; there is no alternative to that. This is a community project; no higher authority is going to intervene on your behalf, as there is no higher authority than a discussion among editors. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:17, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The objection is a matter of sensitivity - so your guidance is very useful - the fact of the composers death might be "in the news' and that would seem right. Other info highlighted at this time would appear slightly strange to a reader I think.  I've commented further on the nomination page, thanks for doing the moving.Thelisteninghand (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: every contribution to DYK is accepted for a spurious reason, known as a "hook". The whole business is an embarrassment. But it's a long-establshed tradition, and I doubt it'll be changed. 213.122.143.73 (talk) 08:12, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The above is me, editing while inadvertently logged out. My apologies. Maproom (talk) 08:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks my sentiments exactly! Change? Thelisteninghand (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC) And thank you, but my one word question is serious. I'm considering proposing something else to replace Did You Know. It's irritated me to such an extent in this instance - but I always thought it looked more like the cover of a puzzle mag than an encyclopedia. It's a kind of perversion of what we do with such dedication - WP has amazing things inside it but this format doesn't do that justice at all. It is tragic. imo. Thelisteninghand (talk) 22:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I hope you will notify me when such a proposal is made. Maproom (talk) 07:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Late to this party in which I have been called (without mentioning my name) "insensitive", and the process of DYK a "tragic" "perversion". Thelisteninghand, there has been a discussion on my talk, and another try to reach out to you on your talk. I think you should learn a few things before trying abolishment of DYK which has frequently been tried. The most important thing to learn seems that AGF means assume good faith. You and everybody else is welcome to comment on my talk where I detailed the aspects I see, Theatre of the World. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Table editing gone wrong
Hello. I recently tried to update a table on a particular article. However, when I tried to publish the changes the content was disrupted. The reference section now appears in the table. How can this be reversed? I tried to undo the changes but it didn't work out. Please help. Ds456 (talk) 08:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * you removed the closing |}, which means that the table technically never ended. Also, please be aware that requires the URL to be in a parameter called url, like so (as it appears when viewing this page): . I see  has already repaired the article for you. Side note: When you come to the Teahouse about a specific article, please state which. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Beat me to the answer! table formatting is tricky, so it's always good practice to use the preview button before submitting your changes. Zudo (talk • contribs) 08:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Distinguishing characters that look similar
How can I tell exactly which character appears in an article? For example, a hyphen and a dash are rendered almost the same. How can I tell which character I am looking at?

I know how to enter special characters, and mediawiki provides several ways to select special characters. But for characters already in an article, how can I tell what they are? Comfr (talk) 02:13, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you can't tell visually by its length, the only way I can think of is to use your browser's "Find" feature (Ctrl + F) and put in either -, –, or — and see if it lights up in the text. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 03:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd want to test that before relying on it. With the browser that I happen to use most of the time, a search such as that for will also find  or ; and yes, a search for a hyphen will also find an en dash and more. Or anyway it will by default; there might be some way to configure it to do otherwise. -- Hoary (talk) 04:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello @Comfr! If you copy the symbol and put it on google search, it will tell you what it is. Conversely, since you know how to input each, you could launch the Find (and Replace, if you are in the editing window) feature and input a given character to see how many there are and which ones they are. Those are the best options I know of. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Good question. One, admittedly tiresome method would be to copy a relevant string, paste it into a text editor, save that and close, open the file with a hex editor, and examine the mystery character. (But surely there must be a far more streamlined way.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Comfr: Their length seems to be pretty discernible in visual: - – —Otherwise I believe en and em dashes are rendered to produce a tooltip upon hover in source editor. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You can copy-paste text to an external tool like https://r12a.github.io/app-conversion/. Copy it to the "Characters" field and click "View in UniView". Example with - – —. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * https://unicodelookup.com is really handy for that. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 09:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Major Dhyan Chand Khel Ratna Award
Prime minister of India Narendra Modi officially renamed Rajiv Gandhi Khel Ratna to 'Major Dhyan Chand Khel Ratna' award but still this award have old name on as article title. New name have to be added. Newton Euro (talk) 11:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Please raise a discussion on the talk page Talk:Rajiv Gandhi Khel Ratna, . --ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Citation for Interview
Citation for Interview

We want to update the Wikipedia entry for ‘Glitter’ based on an interview with Henry Ruschmann Jr., who is son of the inventor of glitter Henry Ruschmann Sr. as cited in Wikipedia. Ruschmann Jr. succeeded his father as president of Meadowbrook Inventions Inc. and ran the company for decades – and is perhaps the leading authority today on glitter. Can you advise on how to cite the interview in the References section? RSherw (talk) 12:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at Template:Cite interview? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The thing you'll also have to be wary about is that many WP editors are deeply suspicious of interviews as references, on the grounds that they are not independent - they are the personal recollections and opinions of someone closely related to the subject. Basically (I think) the situation is this: so long as you're writing openly about family recollections of the glitter-manufacturing business, you can cite Ruschmann, as you're merely saying that he recollects something. If you're writing about Ruschmann Sr.'s glitter-manufacturing business as straightforward fact, you can't cite Ruschmann Jr. in interview because he's too close to the subject. Elemimele (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)