Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1128

Notability for cosmetics
Hi, I was wondering what's the notability guidelines for makeup companies? I noticed that a pretty prominent makeup company (Beauty Bakerie Cosmetics) I've been seeing on Insta a lot doesn't have a WP article yet despite me seeing multiple notable media coverage on the brand. I'd like to see an article for it but I can't find the notability guidelines for makeup brands specifically. I'm not doing this in the interest of promoting said brand or turning it into an ad per WP:COI), I'd just like to see if it's okay to create an article on said company given the notable media coverage.) Thanks! shanghai. talk to me 04:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! See Notability (organizations and companies).  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, didn't know that existed. Just checked and said company is notable enough given the amount of sources, going to work on an article about it, thanks! shanghai. talk to me 05:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think you'll be needing better sources than those. The first gives an error message, the second and third aren't independent of the subject, and the fourth is more like a list of advertisements than an independent discussion. Maproom (talk) 08:43, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * These were just the ones I found off Google, and the first source works for me fine. How is the Forbes article not a reliable source? Thanks. shanghai. talk to me 08:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Forbes is reliable, but that article is not independent of Beauty Bakerie. It includes "“Cashmere’s story is a story of resilience above anything else,” says Roderick Roberts, Beauty Bakerie's chief financial officer". Maproom (talk) 09:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, Forbes in print is reliable, but forbes.com contains much content from "contributors" who are subject to very light if any editorial scrutiny. See WP:FORBESCON. In the case at hand, Amy Feldman is or was Forbes staff, but the article did not appear in the print edition. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Replace a redirect with a disambiguation
I am seeking some guidance or assistance on how I should approach replacing the redirect for Bell Resources with a disambiguation Bell Resources (disambiguation). I am also drafting the following stub article Draft:Bell Resources. All help and guidance welcome. SiamBill555 (talk) 10:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC) SiamBill555 (talk) 10:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @SiamBill555 Since both entries at the DAB-page goes to the same place, I think having a dab-page is unnecessary at this point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång You have mis-understood. I need advice on how to remove the redirect so I can use a dab-page to point to a new article. How do I remove the redirect? SiamBill555 (talk) 05:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Replied at Talk:Bell Resources (disambiguation). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Official dark mode css
I know that there is custom css that you can use on wikipedia. I have found things like this dark skin, but I don't want something with green text. Is there anything like this that is just darker than the normal wikipedia? Thanks, ― Levi_OPTalk 14:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello! I think this would answer your question. You can enable this gadget from the “Testing and development” section of Gadgets in your preferences. This will give you a black background with white text instead of green text. (Note that this gadget won’t work if you’re using the Opera Mini browser or the Timeless skin.) Hope this helps! GMX(on the go!) 14:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (Direct link to the css: mediawiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css) GMX(on the go!) 15:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This looks great! Thanks for the help. ― Levi_OPTalk 10:28, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

my Ben Cleveland photo
you guys keep removing it,why Footballvoorhees (talk) 10:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The history of the enwiki page explains why, and your user talk page at Commons explains why the photo has been deleted from there. Copyright violation is not allowed.  --David Biddulph (talk) 10:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * In short, WP is strict about copyright. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I get editors to pay attention to other legitimate sources?
The page on Vision Therapy has a lot of errors, misleading information and cites only sources that conform to one bias.

An example is the intro statement that says there is no scientific evidence supporting it. The CITT study, double blind, placebo controlled, and peer reviewed says otherwise.

I am trying to open a discussion with other editors to make the page more objective. Discuss the studies that say it is not supported, and the studies that support it too.

I’m running into a problem. Nobody wants to discuss it in the talk section, but they are happy to revert any edits made to make the page more objective.


 * I realize my first attempt at editing it faltered because I hadn’t read enough of the wiki rules. I am now better versed.

Looking for help on what to do. Snapdginger (talk) 05:32, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A great way to encourage participation is to make your comments more succinct. People won't read a wall of talk page text for an article that's considered fringe by prior consensus. TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  05:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:APPNOTE can help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I will try that approach! Snapdginger (talk) 13:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Is there a specific title I should use for a talk section to try to get the editors who came to a previous consensus to open up a discussion? This is a bit of a challenging topic because ophthalmology publications are always anti-optometry and anti-vision therapy while optometry publications are often the opposite.  Do I tag previous authors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snapdginger (talk • contribs) 13:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy ping. GoingBatty (talk) 13:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * GGS’s suggestion above to check out WP:APPNOTE is excellent. Be careful to not canvas by inviting only people you think already agree with you. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)



Solid advice. Read WP:RS at length. I've gained a lot of respect for the WIKI process by doing this. Quick Questions: 1.   What do you do if one of the previous and established editors or mods seems to be very attached to their perspective? Is there a way to pull in a third party who doesn't have attachment at some point? 2. Is there clear criteria on which peer reviewed journals meet WP:RS. For example, Optometry and Vision Science (peer reviewed). I am having difficulty with an editor dismissing any source I cite (including peer reviewed optometric journals), while they include opinion pieces if it fits their narrative. 3. I have doctorate in Optometry, which allows me to understand the area well. I do not wish to see WP:FRIND. How do I ensure other editors of the fact that all I want to see is an actual neutral point of view that uses sources from established peer reviewed and reliable sources that both support and question something. It seems as though just asking for a more neutral point of view and citing reliable sources has caused one editor to re-write the article in an even less neutral manner that could be perceived as punishment for seeking neutrality.

All of that said, I am very open to feedback if my recent edits were not neutral or violated any wiki terms. If someone not emotionally attached to the current narrative on the page could review the edits of the past few days it would greatly help me learn the process and understand how to best proceed. Excuse the paste, I’m on mobile right now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_therapy?wprov=sfti1 Snapdginger (talk) 13:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * See WP:RFC to learn about bringing in unconnected third parties to a dispute on a talk page. You can also ask at the reliable sources noticeboard for an unbiased determination of a source’s reliability. Always be succinct and specific. Focus on one thing at a time and you’ll be more likely to get a response. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Fiesta (magazine)
Can someone stop the spammer on Fiesta (magazine)

5.68.124.25 (talk) 13:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Reported at WP:AIV. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Declined article
Good evening sir or madam, i have been trying to get an article published for weeks now and i keep receiving different reasons for its refusal. The latest one being about my referencing. I have made a few changes but still not sure that is why i am here to get help. Please how can i get my article published. EsipoWiki (talk) 20:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Maproom (talk) 21:01, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. All the references appear to be from government websites, which may qualify them as primary sources. Please add reliable, independent, secondary sources to confirm notability of the subject. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

This is a good example of source you could reference in your article if it talks about this. Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

edit history
Why are some edits in edit history highlighted blue? The Tips of Apmh (talk) 14:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi The Tips of Apmh. Please link pages you refer to, or give an example. I guess you refer to a page with pending changes protection like . Blue background indicates an accepted edit per Pending changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Article resubmission help
Hi, I edited an article in Sandbox using visual editing. It was rejected. I am trying to fix the issues but I'm not sure the article is "located" anymore. Now when I go to edit it is wikitext and I don't know wiktext. How do I get it in the visual format again to work with? Thanks in advance for your help! Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Jeremy_Miller_(businessman)&action=edit Bimshirebaby (talk) 17:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the URL you posted, we can see that your draft is located at Draft:Jeremy Miller (businessman).  We can also find it by looking at Special:Contributions/Bimshirebaby.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I guess I meant where can I work with the article in visual editor. Now when I look at it I see wikitext and unfortunately I don't know how to work with this yet. How do I edit, add references etc without using wikitext with this draft? ack, I can't even figure out how to tag you lol. Tried @ing you and copy/pasting the exact format you used for my name and replacing with yours. I was able to use the visual editing really easily and now I'm just confused. I hope my question makes sense? -
 * Have you tried following the instructions at WP:VisualEditor - i.e., "Log in, uncheck Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta, optionally change Editing mode to Show me both editor tabs, and save your preferences."? I also see the option "Always give me the visual editor" in the 'Editing mode' menu, which seems like what you want. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 17:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Userbox on my user page
Hi, I am bisexual and was trying to use a similar "userbox" field on my userpage as to that used by, she's amazing! If someone could please help me get that going on my userpage, that would be great. I may add some other details too, but just trying to get started. Thanks! Th78blue (talk) 15:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words! The specific userbox I use is, though it's only a slight stylistic variation from  . There are also a whole slew of other options at Userboxes/Life/Sexuality. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 15:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I also noticed you have you pronouns in your user signature!! How can I add mine automatically for when I sign with the four tilde's? Th78blue (talk) 15:50, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm not GorillaWarfare but you can change your signature by going to your preferences (here) and scrolling down to Signature. You could add  underneath "New signature" (replacing pronouns with your pronouns), tick "Treat signature as wikitext" then press Save. Now, when you post a comment, your pronouns should appear. :) --Ferien (talk) 16:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I just tried that, does it work now? It should add (They/Them/Theirs) as my chosen pronouns. They/Them/Theirs (talk) 16:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, I botched it there. Let me try again! &#91;&#91;User:Th78blue&#124;Th78blue&#93;&#93; (They/Them/Theirs • &#91;&#91;User talk:Th78blue&#124;Th78blue&#93;&#93;) (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * , you're nearly there. All you need to do is tick the "Treat signature as wikitext" button :) --Ferien (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Sheesh! Alright, hoping I am good NOW. :-) Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • Th78blue) 17:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * , yep, it works now. Happy editing! --Ferien (talk) 17:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Not quite. If you replace the last "Th78blue" in the signature (the one after "User talk:Th78blue|") with the word "talk", then you'll have it. It should look like Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk --Verbarson (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh my, oh my! Hopefully I get it this time... Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk 18:28, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

In the interest of perfection, I am now closing the parentheses on the back side too... I noticed it missing... check one "last time" :) Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 18:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Controversial or disputed information
How should we present disputed information on Wikipedia?

For example, if a group of people were making a specific claim, and another group of people were to make a counter claim, but there was no verifiable evidence to support either side of the claim as it happened a long time ago, how should this be presented?

Should we present both sides of the argument and state that it is disputed, or to leave it out altogether? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 15:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia reports what reliable sources report. If there is "no verifiable evidence to support either side of the claim" then it has no place in Wikipedia. If reliable sources differ, then we should present both sides of the argument--Shantavira|feed me 15:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * —It really depends on context. A situation where there are competing theories on something, neither of which are proven but both are discussed in reliable sources (say, for example, dark energy) then we would give a summary of what the sources say about each theory, like can be seen at dark energy. If a theory or position isn't covered by reliable, third-party sources (that is to say, not directly from the person who believes it, but from an uninvolved publication discussing it) then we shouldn't include it, but it's entirely possible to have valid theories presented if the notability and sourcing are there. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 20:49, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Question


Do you have any tea? 86.32.57.31 (talk) 17:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure. Here you go.--Shantavira|feed me 18:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * but never any biscuits. This place is run on the cheap. Elemimele (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * that's so not true! Everyone here is 'nice'. This one's for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

just checkin The Teahouse
hi. just checking. it looks nice. keep it up. 695LM (talk) 16:43, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @695LM Thank you - we'll do our best. Anytime you need any help, one of our friendly Teahouse Hosts will be happy to help you. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Graphs
How do you add a article that has a graph or a list? TiffPlayz Roblox (talk) 21:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please read Help: Graph and Help: List. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  21:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * —It's not a simple answer and it really would depend on what sort of graph or list you're looking to do. Which article is it and what would you like to add? 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 21:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Tags for every editors "Tag: tag example"
What are the tags for (for example, "Tag: tag example")? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:9D7:BF4F:D02C:AFAA (talk) 08:17, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to Special:Tags? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 11:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are called "Tag: tag example". Tags are for every single editor. 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:D17E:1C6B:7B43:3324 (talk) 23:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

chinese wiki for "relish" feels off
Hello. I usually help in translating english wiki into chinese wiki. Recently I found this wikipage about relish (in general), though when I check the chinese page, the name and the description feels really off. In this scenario, should the page be deleted or just heavily modified? Crescentwuju (talk) 20:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you're talking about an article in the Chinese Wikipedia, then you need to discuss it at Chinese Wikipedia, not here on English Wikipedia: they are entirely separate, and few people who look at this page can read Chinese. Try zh:维基百科:互助客栈/条目探讨. --ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , are you saying that the articles Relish and 開味小菜 aren't about the same thing? I can't read Chinese, but Google translate makes fairly good sense of the latter, and they seem to me to be about the same subject, near enough. Maproom (talk) 20:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, they seem to give it 2 meanings: "Relish (Relish), also known as hors d'oeuvres, appetizers ... sometimes it is difficult to distinguish from condiments to a certain extent ." We don't seem to have this term in Sweden, unless it's bostongurka. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello. The thing that I have with Relish translate as 開味小菜 is that it sounded as if the chinese term is a type of "small appetizer", not used as a condiment or sauce, which I think will cause confusion. Either way, I will go to the chinese teahouse equivalent and see what people think about it. Thanks for the suggestion. Crescentwuju (talk) 21:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Edit: the more I think of it, the more I felt that the original chinese wiki probably is referring to hors d'oeuvres, appetizers rather than the english-term relish. Maybe the person who wrote the chinese wiki made a wrong interlink? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crescentwuju (talk • contribs) 21:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It is an old fashioned usage, but you can find places in english language writing where 'relish' is used to mean an appetizer. If you look it up in most dictionaries it will be there as an alternate definition. MrOllie (talk) 21:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm a Chinese speaker, and I can confirm that Hors d'oeuvre is definitely the better target. The place to fix this is at Wikidata; I'll go ahead and do it now. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 00:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks for your opinion! And I am happy that you also applied the change. Cheers from my part. Crescentwuju (talk) 20:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * EIT2: apparently there is also a wiki article called 前菜. In this scenario, should the two merge and then create a brand new article for relish? Or should just revert back to how it is, but then change 開味小菜 for a more suitable name? Crescentwuju (talk) 20:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a discussion for the Chinese Wikipedia, which I don't edit. On the English Wikipedia, editors decided that Hors d'oeuvre and Appetizer are the same topic or similar enough to be in the same article, while Relish is completely different. Other languages may have come to different conclusions though: check the sitelinks for wikidata:Q1628963, wikidata:Q96749544, and wikidata:Q766777. This goes on to show that each language operates independent from each other, and that you should be discussing it over on the Chinese Wikipedia. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 00:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Fully-protected for Main Page
Why is Main Page are fully-protected for? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:D17E:1C6B:7B43:3324 (talk) 00:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * So that people don't randomly change things on it and break everything. It's been this way since before I started editing Wikipedia. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:37, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Because it would be vandalized constantly if it wasn't protected. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  00:38, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Becoming an admin etc.
Hi all,

I am certainly too new still, but one day I aspire to be an admin and help the wiki in any and all ways that I can. How does one go about that? I assume the process is "invite only"? Thank you all! Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • Th78blue) 17:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's an awesome goal. I recommend reading this page to learn all about adminship and the process. There are not really any "official" requirements, but you will be relying on the greater community to vote for your adminship once nominated by another editor or if you request adminship. But remember, it's somewhat impossible to gain adminship without a lot of editing experience and support in the community. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I would differ from PtC above and say that a better goal to have would be to just be a good editor. You can do 95% of things here without being an administrator. All being an administrator involves is being entrusted with certain abilities that would be irresponsible to give to everyone (like deleting pages). If through being a good editor and working in areas you like, you demonstrate how having the admin tools would help the project, the community will grant them. This almost always takes years- you need to build up a good edit history, showing a good understanding of Wikipedia policies, a good temperament, and a need for the tools. 331dot (talk) 21:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I would agree that's a better goal. Though I think when people say that being an admin is just cleaning up garbage, thankless, etc etc they might be forgetting that many editors see admin status as an "official badge of good judgment" because that's essentially what it is, given how hard it is to get it. It's like being elected to office. Thankless work, but it carries a ton of unwritten weight and deference, not to mention power. I would imagine an admin's edits are less likely to be reverted and their input in disagreements are considered to carry more weight by many editors. I think some people see being admin as far more validating than being a good editor. But that's a weakness of human nature, probably. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Th78blue We do need good administrators, but we need good editors more than we need good administrators. I choose never to be an admin. I believe my editing here is helped by not being one. All the admin tasks I might do are better for being "dual key" tasks.
 * I commend your ambition. Even so I suggest you set the ambition aside for a substantial time to learn and hone your real skills here Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 21:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Wow! What incredible responses. Thank you all for taking the time to respond, and for the incredible insight. As I mentioned, I'm sure it is a long way off (likely 1+ years), but I plan to edit every day I can, and have already done 500+ in just a month or so. Regardless, I am fully aware that it is not the quantity that matters, but quality. Also, I loved that comment on "needing the right temperament" etc. I agree completely. I do get the very real sense that some admins see their opinions as having more weight than my own. I will put very detailed edit summaries and follow all the WP policies that I exist, but they will revert some of my points sometimes and simply say "unreasonable", or some other extremely short response. Sometimes they will even do a revert with no edit summary at all... which is very discouraging. Without having the context as to what EXACTLY I may have done wrong, I do not know how new editors are supposed to learn. I feel as if WP:BITE is not heeded very often... Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 23:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that jaded editors can be overly bitey, and I hope you don't get too discouraged. Remember the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. If you're reverted, take it to the Talk Page and make your case. Reverts should have an edit summary, but if not, give them a chance to explain it there. If you still feel the revert is unwarranted, you can always try a Third Opinion. Stick with it, understand that it's a collaboration, and I think you'll have a good time in the long run. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 00:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please do not create overly long edit summaries. It's enough that an ES identifies where in the text the changes were made, and a brief description of reason for change. David notMD (talk) 02:10, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Untitled
2001:FB1:12B:F33F:E4E9:202C:3DEF:AA06 (talk)Mubeen 2001:FB1:12B:F33F:E4E9:202C:3DEF:AA06 (talk) 22:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Did you have a question?  GoingBatty (talk) 02:38, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

how to autoconfirm or confrim your wikipedia account?
How can i auto confirm my wikipedia account? Haris099 (talk) 23:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Per WP:AUTOCONFIRM, user accounts that are at least 4 days old and have made at least 10 edits to the encyclopedia will become autoconfirmed.  I suggest you start with Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with album image copyright
Hi, I've been editing the article for The Conet Project and thought it could use an image of the cover art of the album. I read the information page about uploading images, and I think that I can just upload the image to Wikimedia Commons because on the website the image is hosted on, it says "Open Content 1995-2019 Irdial. All Rights Reserved where applicable." but I'm not sure, because the image itself isn't specifically marked with the "open content" logo. I'm shaky on copyright law, and to be honest had trouble understanding the guidelines page. Would uploading it there be an appropriate thing to do, or should I follow the process for copyrighted album art that can be used here due to fair use?

Also, sorry if this isn't the appropriate page to ask this question on. Thanks in advance for your help. IdealSalesman (talk) 23:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . That "all rights reserved" language is not compatible with Wikimedia Commons. Instead, follow the directions at WP:NFCI #1. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! You can use the File Upload Wizard to upload the cover art of the album as a non-free file.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia going to consider odd perfect numbers as "underserved"?
I just believe that such numbers should be considered underserved and thus require establishment. This, I believe will require 3 editors or more and will involve gashing it into the server. Thoughts on proposal? Bonnffdo (talk) 02:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The Teahouse isn't really the right place for this proposal, maybe try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. Also I have no clue what you're getting at. –– FormalDude  talk  02:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Perfect number? According to what is written there, there are no odd perfect numbers that are known. If you want to establish an article about them exclusively, you're going to need to be a mathematician or have some really good sources that solve the question. WhoAteMyButter  ( 📨talk │ 📝contribs ) 02:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Trouble inserting links
Hi, there seems to have been a change to the software for inserting links, and it's no longer working for me. It used to be that if I wanted to link to a sub-part in an article, I would highlight the phrase in my draft that I wanted to link. Then I would hit the "link" button in the editing box and insert the url for that sub-part and click "insert". The software would then give a message about that being an external link, and did I want to make it an internal link? I would click "internal link" and it would insert it as an internal link. Now, when I get to that stage and click "internal link", nothing happens. It doesn't insert any link at all. Am I doing something wrong? has the software for inserting links changed? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're experiencing, but manually wikilinking to sections within pages still works: When editing the wikitext source,  generates linktext. If you're using the VisualEditor, highlighting a word, hitting the link button on the toolbar, and pasting   into the "Add a link" box (within the "Wikipedia" tab, not "External site") automatically abbreviates to the internal wikilink form (alternatively, enter into the box  ), and you can just hit "Done" to make a wikilink. You seem to be quite an experienced editor, but for general questions, H:WIKILINK is the first reference.  – Anon423 (talk) 09:52, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I may be an experienced editor, but I am extremely techno-deficient. :) I don't know what Visual Editor is, for example.  However, since I posted this inquiry, the link box now has a new button for internal links and no longer asks if you want an internal link.  I think the software has had an update over the past couple of days.  Thanks for the H:WIKILINK info - I wasn't aware of it before.  Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * When you click the "Edit" tab (instead of the "Edit source" tab), you're using the VisualEditor. For more information, see Help:VisualEditor.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * really? It’s like discovering I’ve been speaking prose all my life! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 05:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:BONAMY
how to correct my refence Jamshi jabeen (talk) 06:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Draft:BONAMY Karenthewriter (talk) 07:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey there, thanks for coming to the Teahouse! Here's some tea and biscuits for you.
 * It looks like your article was declined because there are not enough sources with significant coverage. Right now there are only two news media sources for the movie. The article requires more reliable sources talking about the movie in order to be considered notable for Wikipedia. Are there any additional sources you can provide? –– FormalDude  talk  07:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Musician page
My name is Melissa Harley I’m writing regarding of well known musician artist “Lil Sporty D” Who has been mentioned in multiple news magazine and reliable source he Doesn’t have a Wikipedia page yet? I was wondering can someone please create him a WP article? MsMelissaBaby (talk) 08:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * MsMelissaBaby, merely being mentioned isn't enough. Has Lil Sporty D been written up in depth in reliable, independent, published sources (plural)? If so, then you can create the article; if not, then nobody can. But before you attempt to create your first article, be sure to get plenty of practice improving and augmenting existing articles. -- Hoary (talk) 08:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure what I am doing but can someone please check my article and see I did it correctly It will be appreciate it here is the link. I don’t know how to put a picture up either I’m still Learning. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lil_Sporty_D Can someone please approve it — Preceding unsigned comment added by MsMelissaBaby (talk • contribs) 16:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! If the draft ever becomes an article, you can use the File Upload Wizard to upload a photo you took.  However, you have many other issues to resolve first, as already noted on your draft.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @GoingBatty Thank you very much I appreciate it I was wondering can you do my Oracle and you could take the credit for it I appreciate it I’ve been working on this for like four years and I really don’t know what I’m doing anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by MsMelissaBaby (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know what "can you do my Oracle" means. I suggest you review Help:Introduction, The Wikipedia Adventure, and Help:Your first article before continuing your work on the draft.   GoingBatty (talk) 02:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I note that Draft:Lil Sporty D right now appears to be nothing more than a badly formatted copy-paste of wikitia(dot)com/wiki/Lil_Sporty_D, which is a blacklisted Wikipedia clone where editing is limited to only specialized editors who are experts in their fields – so, in practical terms, a thinly disguised advertisement / SEO site (as evident by the linked page appearing in a Google knowledge panel when one looks up the subject). As their copyright note states that everything's available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, I don't believe this to be a copyvio (although I see no attribution on the draft), but I feel it's still worth pointing out.  Angry Harpy   talk 04:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

, yesterday I advised you:. I suggest that you don't ignore it; that you instead improve and augment existing articles. With that experience behind you, you might be able to create a viable article. -- Hoary (talk) 08:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Need Help with referencing my article 'Tupocracy'
Hello house My new article has been constantly rejected due to issues bordering on referencing and and notability. The word 'Tupocracy' is gaining traction gradually in the political space and then i feel there is need to have it also on Wikipedia.

I wouldn't mind having an experience editor work with me on this project.

Thank you

Niftyrules™ 08:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC) Niftyrules™ 08:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niftyrules (talk • contribs)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. The article was rejected, meaning it is not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia at this time. The word Tupocracy is clearly not notable. It may become notable at some point in the distant future, but until then, it will not be included on Wikipedia. Please do not continue to try to add it to Wikipedia.–– FormalDude  talk  08:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Does this look bad?
The "Species" section in this article to which I have linked, had a long list of beetles so I thougght I'll rather add columns-list. But now I feel it looks congested. Is it fine? Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 04:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't notice any difference, . Or anyway none related to congestion. (I'm using Firefox 93.0 right now.) But since you bring up the matter of looking congested, I have to say that your signature strikes me as unusually awkward, spilling as it does over other letters. Removing from it would be a big help. -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

, No padding looks the worst. Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 06:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Then we differ, . To me, using either Firefox 93.0 or Chromium 90.0.4430.212, no padding looks the best. The more padding, the more shouty. (Worse, the more padding, the more interference with other text.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at this, from experience, the reason that you might think one looks better than another might be because of the background padding that already comes with the line height. One way to make it look better but not as bloated at the same time would be to add only padding on the left and right, since there is already a "padding" of sorts that comes with the line height. This could be achieved with  ( Excellenc1  (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>)). You could also use a border radius to make it look a little better (in my opinion)   ( Excellenc1  (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>)) Just some suggestions for thought :) ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Levi_OP</b><sup style="color:#000;padding:1q;border:black 1q solid;border-radius:6q 6q 6q 0;padding-top:0">Talk  14:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , why not put code like this in your personal CSS page User:Excellenc1/common.css


 * (See my CSS page User:Verbarson/common.css for an example.) This will highlight your signature whenever you are logged on. That way, you can leave your public signature unchanged from normal, because frankly, I don't need to see it highlighted, whereas you can make it as dramatic as you like for your own consumption. (I would credit whoever told me about this, but I didn't record their name.)--Verbarson (talk) 21:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I didn't understand what do you mean by "highlight" when you said "This will highlight your signature whenever you are logged on". Also, what about this signature (somewhat based on Levi_OP's suggestion: Excellenc1  (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) But I fear this is too long in the source code. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Excellenc1 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , my CSS page User:Verbarson/common.css is only activated when I am logged on. When you, or anyone else, or nobody (ie anonymous user), is logged on, my signature looks like "Verbarson". When I am logged on, my CSS page is active and turns my signature into " Verbarson ". This makes it easier for me to pick out my contributions in a discussion like this, or on a history page or watchlist. I don't care if my signature looks mundane to everyone else.
 * Of course, there are many people who do like their signature to stand out to other users, which is fine as long as it doesn't affect the way the rest of the page is displayed. Your choice.--Verbarson (talk) 09:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Useful side-effect: doing it with CSS means that it also highlights (when I am signed on) the places where somebody pings me or uses . As far as your signature is concerned, I wouldn't worry about the code length too much (have you ever checked the Google front page source?); what affects the text around it is the top and bottom padding, which widens the current text line and (very slightly) disrupts the flow of the paragraph.--Verbarson (talk) 09:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I get it now, this way people can know if I'm offline or online. But it looks the same as my signature at no padding, or like Levi_OP suggested:. From my end I don't see any overlaps or stuff, so I don't know if I should actually change anything. Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 04:07, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I must have communicated badly, because I have still confused you. Using the CSS route to formatting your signature will ONLY affect YOUR computer when you are LOGGED IN to Wikipedia. It will NEVER affect anyone else. It's purely a convenience for you to see your name/signature highlighted when you are using Wikipedia. I'm afraid that Wikipedia does not monitor editors in real time so that it can light up their signatures on other editors' screens whenever they are online.--Verbarson (talk) 09:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia page not showing up
Why won't this website (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kevin-Bokoum/sandbox) show up? I'm trying to make a wikipedia page for a person of interest and would like it to show up on google results. 24.49.61.186 (talk) 00:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Userspace is intentionally NOINDEXed. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I transfer it to a non-user page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinbokoum (talk • contribs) 00:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't. Most of your sources are poor at best. https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/story/news/education/2020/07/23/student-standout-north-high-junior-is-new-boe-representative/115889622/ is the only useful source among the whole lot, with most of the rest being mere sound bites. Notability has not been met, and nor has WP:Biographies of living persons. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 00:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What the above comment means is that if you submitted your Sandbox draft to Articles for Creation for review, it would be Rejected or Denied. If you bypass AfC to make it an article, the New Pages Patrol would kick it back to draft or deleted it.David notMD (talk) 02:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've moved the draft article to draftspace for you. You can continue working on it there and then submit it for review once it's ready. –– FormalDude  talk  02:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Now at Draft:Kevin Bokoum. I second the opinion that Mr. Bokoum's accomplishments do not rise to a level that meets Wikipedia's concept of notability. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Flags for countries
Hello, where can I found Wikipedia images of flags for countries? That would help me for a draft article I'm working on. Thanks! GTNO6 (talk) 10:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . Please see FLAG.--Shantavira|feed me 10:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Paid Editor
I am thinking that a user is a paid editor see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Radha_shyam as his contribiutons he create and edit only one page Weidner Memorial Senior Secondary School so it means he is a paid editor what you all think if he is not a paid editor so he edit other pages but he was paid so he only edit Weidner Memorial Senior Secondary School UserABCXYZ (talk) 08:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The edits you refer to were made in 2010. If that user resumes editing, any paid editing can be addressed at that time. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @UserABCXYZ We often find that it's usually school pupils (and occasionally staff) who write about schools. But as 331dot says, those edits were made 11 years ago, so we only need to worry about editors active today. But if you feel there are statements in that (or any other article) that are not supported by citations, feel free to remove them, leaving an edit summary to explain your reasoning for their removal. Many thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Why recipe blog content can submit to wikipedia references successfully?
油條 Yóutiáo - Angel Wong's Kitchen

Why this kind of recipe blog content can be submit to wikipedia? I have seen many bloggers submit their blog content. Anyone can give me an introduction? Cherryblossomcici (talk) 07:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to the Teahouse! It appears you're talking about of yours to Zongzi.
 * Adding your own recipe from your blog to a Wikipedia article about it is considered original research and also promotional use of external links. Check out Wikipedia WP:BLOGS which states that blogs are almost always not permitted as sources. This is definitely one of those cases (the exception typically only applies for subject-matter experts).
 * Let us know if you have any additional questions! –– FormalDude  talk  07:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You say "I have seen many bloggers submit their blog content." It would be really helpful if you could provide examples.--Shantavira|feed me 08:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

another example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantou

External links Chinese Steamed Bun 饅頭

http://yireservation.com/recipes/mantou-chinese-steamed-bun/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherryblossomcici (talk • contribs) 09:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * That doesn't appear to be a blog, and it does provide "neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject" so it appears to meet WP:EL.--Shantavira|feed me 10:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, there may be misuses elsewhere in Wikipedia where people have included links to personal recipes in blogs, but that's just an on-going risk of an open, collaborative encyclopaedia. Such links will be ruthlessly weeded-out over time, when they are discovered! They are not examples to follow. The essential difference is this: if a reputable source such as a cookery magazine quotes someone's recipe as a "typical recipe for Traditional Martian Greencakes", then we have reasonable grounds to believe the recipe is what it says it is. We assume that good cookery magazines select their writers as experts, and exert some quality-control on what they put into print. If a blog says the same information, all we know is that someone's grandmother told them that that's what she always did when she was a girl, and for all we know, grandma might be the only person in the world who does it that way, and grandson/daughter might have mistaken the instructions! So unfortunately, even if you're a great cook, and really well-informed, you can only include a link to your recipe if a reputable organisation/person has vetted it and published it independently (and even then, you've got a conflict of interest and should get the link included by declaring the situation on the article's talk-page and accepting other editor's evaluation of whether your recipe is the right one to use as an example). I hope this helps! Elemimele (talk) 11:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft declined
Hi, i recently created an article for torque sealants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Torque_sealant). My first draft was declined with the comment: "Fails WP: GNG, requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources". This was understandable as there were only two citations for the whole article. Since then I have been researching for more sources and added 7 further references. However, when resubmitting my draft it was declined again and i got following answer: "If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement again, it will almost certainly be rejected, and it may be nominated for deletion, or a partial block may be requested against further submission by the responsible editor.".

Since I made changes to the article before resubmitting it I am now a bit confused and don't know what else is expected from me. I am new to Wikipedia and maybe I made a mistake I am not aware of? I would greatly appreciate some help. MoritzStorch (talk) 11:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Recreating a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion
Hi there. I'm here to ask that I want to recreate a page which was deleted per deletion discussion. The page was nominated because it didn't meet with general notability guideline. But I've found some sources which meets with general notability guideline. So I hope that if I recreate this page, it will meet with GNG. Thanks. ||  O rbit   W harf  11:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * , please see Deletion review. -- Hoary (talk) 12:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Is Tania Aidrus Notable Topic
Hello community! Iam a content writer from pakistan and wants to write on Tania Aidrus, She was a leader in the Global Business Organization at Google in the US and in Singapore as well, where she was the Country Manager for South Asia Frontier Markets at Google. Prior to her appointment as a Google executive, Tania co-founded a mobile health diagnosis company called ClickDiagnostics which connected rural patients in emerging markets to doctors around the world. She resigned her job just to serve her motherland (Pakistan) and She became minister of technology, Wikipedia lacks information about her and I wanted to share whole story of Tania Aidrus with the globe how her patriotism bring her in the underdeveloping country and her determiniation to which she was resigned for. Mrsginamann (talk) 12:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The requirements for notability for people are at Notability (people). --David Biddulph (talk) 12:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Wiki adventure gets stuck on edit summary
My wiki adventure keeps being unable to progress past 'summarize your edit', even though I complete the summary. Is there a work-around to this? I'd like to make sure I do all of the onboarding lessons. Snapdginger (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Adventure instructs to contact  for bug reports.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 13:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

New to all of this
New to all this stuff please help

Hello there, I'm a casual reader of wikipedia but i just found all this editing tools and i'm very confused. I just discovered this about 15 minutes ago so im still pretty confused with all this, i've only used wikipedia before to read some articles. What should i know about all this editing tools and communities and whatnot? I know the teahouse is for editing pages but it said its friendly to newcomers plus i dont know where else to put this. If someone could help me i have a couple questions i would like to be answered

1. What should i know about all these editing tools 2. What is the editing community here in wikipedia? I saw a page on a christianity in china work group but i'm still pretty confused 3. Whats the difference between the wikipedia website and app? Does the app have all these editing features

Thanks in advance :) Overbubble (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! The learning curve here can be a little steep, but you'll probably find the information at this introduction as good a place as any to start
 * The Wikipedia app is pretty good (and is getting better!), but its more geared to reading articles than editing, at least in my opinion. ~TheresNoTime (to explain!) 13:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * —Welcome and hello! Editing wikipedia can be daunting at first but like any toolbox, tools are there because they might be useful in some cases and don't always need to be used regularly. Most editing can be done very simply with plain text and if you're new to editing it's always good to start small and slow; if you see a mistake like a typo, jump right in and edit it if you like. When you're more familiar with basic editing, the other tools will fall into place more easily. As to your second question, things like work groups and wikiprojects exist as focal points for editing related articles; if you're interested in a specific field there is usually a group for it with listings of relevant articles and sometimes helpful resources and discussions too. You can usually find these listed on the talk page of articles, so if you're reading something interesting, look at its talk page to see any related projects. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 13:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There are multiple Wikipedia apps - see List of Wikipedia mobile applications for more information. GoingBatty (talk) 15:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

New Article
I have created an article Draft:Kawardha Voilence but it is about a very sensitive case so I am fearing about to publish it so I want help to contribute that article because that is very very sensitive and national case it is about and I don't know but if I have write some attacking words so please review it UserABCXYZ (talk) 14:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review. 331dot (talk) 14:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks friend but there is a problem It is one of the most sensitive case in India so it is right to publish this page UserABCXYZ (talk) 14:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * We have many articles on similar topics. See Category:Religiously motivated violence in India. Vexations (talk) 15:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WP:DISC, it is not wrong because of the topic. Consider WP:EVENTCRIT though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

INAZUMA ELEVEN ARES
Why don't they publish something about the INAZUMA ELEVEN ARES animation program, I mean this is a great animation so why wouldn't anyone post something about them that includes: photos of characters, their background and episodes and siries or chapters. {plz sm1 post something} 41.115.61.132 (talk) 15:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You mean like this? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to the reply given above, it might be considered fancruft to include this information that may be deemed unencyclopedic. There'd be more leeway for addition on another wiki, such as those hosted by FANDOM. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

adding to the further reading section
a question about edits

Hello! I am new here - I was trying to add a book to further reading - powers of two by Joshua Wolf Shenk - it focuses on creative partnerships and tells the story of many historical figures including Emily Dickinson. When I added it to her wikipedia page, I was told I was editing disruptively - not my intention and many apologies! What are the rules on this? How can I get a book, which is very relevant, well revered and I think would be useful - to be listed? What is the process? Many thanks for your help!!

Emma EmmaFDennis (talk) 16:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Welcome to Wikipedia. Sorry for your frustration. It might help to read this page to learn more about what should and should not be included in that section. For example, it says:


 * Preference is normally given to works that cover the whole subject of the article rather than a specific aspect of the subject, and to works whose contents are entirely about the subject of the article, rather than only partly.


 * Hope that helps. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:37, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @EmmaFDennis: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason is most likely because you are spamming the same book across different articles, which gives the impression you are promoting or advertising said book. You might also want to read FURTHERREADING, particularly the section §Topical. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

This is really helpful both, thank you so much!! EmmaFDennis (talk) 16:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

How to make an alphabetic table of contents?
Hi! I was trying to create an alphabetic table of contents at List of awards and nominations received by NCT, but it doesn't work and I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. How do I fix it? Thanks in advance! Poirot09 (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * —What you would need to include is an anchor for the TOC to point to. Normally a table of contents will point to a heading and just matches the text of that heading, but as there is no entry titled "A" or "B", you need to force the table to have one. If you use the template anchor you can do this; if you add  to the row heading beginning with J then it will create a hidden anchor that the TOC will let you jump to. Do this for any and all letters you need, but only once per letter (two identical anchors will mean the second one doesn't work). 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help! Poirot09 (talk) 17:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Requesting for block
Hi. I'm here to ask that can I request for block for any user? I've found a user who is using Wikipedia using a promotional username. And the user should be blocked. Thanks. ||  O rbit   W harf  19:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You can report that at WP:UAA, . Make sure you read the notes at the top. --ColinFine (talk) 19:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Another help! Can I use Twinkle for making a report? Thanks. ||  O rbit   W harf  19:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Orbit Wharf Yes, you can certainly use Twinkle to make a UAA report. Assuming you've already activated it in your Preferences, look for the 'TW' tab in desktop view (towards the top right of the page, next to the search box). The first option in the dropdown that appears is 'ARV'. Click that one and select the second option 'Username', then tick the relevant reason for your concern. If you need to add links to pages, diffs, external sites, just write in the comments box. Hope this makes sense. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Colonel Powell
I'm really puzzled by the thinking behind Colonel Powell. This is a redirect to Colin Powell (so that's what you see if you hover over the link), but there is also a disambiguation page for the various Colonel Powells, which you can only get to by first going to Colin Powell and then noticing the bit at the top of the article that points to the disambiguation. It seems to me that if a reader types "Colonel Powell" in the search box in Wikipedia, we should consider the possibility that they are intelligent humans capable of typing, who chose to type "Colonel" because they want to read about a Colonel; and that had they wanted to read about Colin, they would have typed "Colin". I suppose there's an added complication that Colin Powell, having been a four-star general, was presumably a colonel at some point in his career?? But he's notable for being Colin Powell, not for being Colonel Powell. My feeling is that the redirect shouldn't exist. Colonel Powell should go to the disambiguation page, which can happily contain a link to Colin Powell to help those who have made a mistake and misheard Colin's name as a rank. But I'm loath to mess around with such a high-profile redirect, and in any case I don't know technically how to deal with bad redirects. Any advice appreciated! Elemimele (talk) 17:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It was made in 2009 by an editor who haven't edited since 2016, so we probably won't get any answer from there. I know of no reason why you shouldn't WP:PROD it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I can understand the rationale behind the redirects as these are ranks he has held, just like someone might search General MacArthur or General DeGaulle, but if you feel the primary topic should be the disambig page, I would suggest opening a discussion on Colin Powell's talk page. The good news is that the article is likely to be getting extra hits at this time so there should be plenty of eyes on the discussion to chime in. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, General Powell, Major Powell, Colonel North... Perhaps there is a guideline somewhere, but Colonel Powell makes less sense to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:10, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you both; I had only just noticed the sad news of his death. I will raise it initially on the talk page of the Colin Powell article, and then consider the PROD if people agree. Elemimele (talk) 18:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * My understanding of disambiguation is that should point to Colonel Powell (disambiguation), but no article should ever point to either except in a hatnote or see also. Perhaps ask the folks at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links Vexations (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, , , this place moves fast! Someone has agreed and done the deed in less than the time it took me to work out how to edit a redirect. Problem solved! Elemimele (talk) 20:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Next step with mildly disruptive IP editor
I'm watching a page where an IP editor keeps making unsourced changes, e.g.. The changes are not obvious vandalism, but they also seem very unlikely to be good faith attempts to improve wikipedia. I reverted them a couple of times, and in one edit they even reverted themselves citing my previous edit summary, so they seem to understand. But then they keep doing it. At this point I'm not sure what I should do next. Any advice? Thanks. Danstronger (talk) 13:29, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops, that wasn't them reverting themselves, that was another IP editor. Danstronger (talk) 20:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

There is a LOT of IP editing, much of it reverted, going on at Casualties of the September 11 attacks. Perhaps some protection warranted? David notMD (talk) 16:34, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try suggesting it for semi-protection Danstronger (talk) 20:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you please guide me to review my first article submission
Good day,

On my submitted article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mikhail_Mouty

I received the following reason for rejection on Oct 19th : "Subject does not appear to pass WP:GNG or WP:NPROF. The inline citations do not confirm the sentences they are linked to"

Can you please guide me in improving my article to be accepted.

Great thanks MEF2362 (talk) 09:14, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Tehouse. In the opinion of that reviewer, Mouty (not just your draft about him) does not currently meet the requirements to be the subject of an article in Wikipedia: see WP:NOAMOUNT. Unless you can find at least three sources that are reliably published and unconnected with Mouty and have significant coverage of him, then any further effort you put into that draft will be wasting your time. --ColinFine (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @MEF2362 In my opinion, I think Mouty would (probably) meet our WP:NBIO/WP:NPROF criteria, but the key thing is for your citations to allow anyone to verify every statement you have made. So each citation must allow someone to check that what you wrote is correctly stated in the citation, and not based either on your own conclusions or knowledge of him (we call that original research)
 * I note that Mouty died only very recently, and it may be that a good, independent obituary about him will become available in time, or that you have missed one in local or regional newspapers. My commiserations to you, as I suspect you knew him personally, by the excellent photo you took of him last year. If you did know him, I would invite you to please follow our guidelines at WP:COI by simply making clear any knowledge or connection you have with him? There is nothing wrong in this, but we simply like to have clarity about who is writing about people, and their motivations.
 * So, don't give up, but take your time to go through everything, line by line and pretend to be an independent observer, challenging every statement and asking yourself "how can I prove that?" I have made a few small tweaks to your draft which I hope you find helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Might be worth contacting a relevant university department in Syria, or the publishers of one of his more recent papers, to ask if they know of obituaries in any specialist journals, and/or of any plans to publish a posthumous Festschrift (which could take several months to a few years to come to fruition). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.128.151 (talk) 21:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Pls can u keep my edit temporary stayed
Pls can u keep my edit temporary stayed JahXVro999SkiMask (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * User blocked (not by me). Deor (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The unblock appeal process is described on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 22:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Charles Williams
Appreciate comments received from various parties. Believe this article is ready. Looking for verification.

Thank you

Flagship1Flagship1 (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC) Flagship1 (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Draft:Charles_Williams Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Some improvements have been made. More sourcing is required to demonstrate notability per WP:BIO. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I added a SUBMIT button, but agree more content needed. Other Asst Sec to Navy appear to have articles, but not a guarantee that CW will be approved. David notMD (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with reliable sources
Page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Herd_Social was declined due to lack in reliable sources. This is my first time writing a wikipedia page, and was wondering if anyone could help. I'm confused on which sources are not credible, or are the not enough credible sources? Just kinda confused over all.

Thank you in advance! Alihoward82 (talk) 15:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Everything in your draft should be referenced. For example, what is your source for "Herd emerged from the frustrations of consumers..." and "This early traction led to a waitlist of over 10,000 users pre-launch." and "The App rose to number #15 on the social networking chart..."? Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi,, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Credible" is not a criterion we have for sources: the two main ones are "reliable", which means that it was published by somebody with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking; and "independent" of the subject, so not published by the subject or based on an interview or press release from them. (Non-independent sources are accepted for certain kinds of information, but do not contribute to establishing notability. You might find WP:CSMN helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , your draft has content copied from this site, in violation of copyright.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I am having a bug with the wikipedia adventure
I keep getting a prompt to open the source editor when I already have it open, then I can not continue.  Cjs1  21:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you'd be better off starting a thread at the Adventure talk page. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * sorry  Cjs1  23:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Make userboxes
I'm new to Wikipedia.

How do you make userboxes to customize your profile? I have no experience editing this site but have read many political articles and cannot wait to contribute when I have the time.

Thank you, Anonymous user — Preceding unsigned comment added by PoliticallyPassionateGamer (talk • contribs) 00:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @PoliticallyPassionateGamer: Welcome to the Teahouse. You are probably looking for Userboxes, which has info about making your own, as well as asking others to make one and a list of current userboxes further down the page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:26, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of TW/warning
I chanced upon this situation where a registered user was wrongly criticised for a simple infobox expansion, where there is clearly prose to support with ref (at a mid-point) in the opening section. One viable ref (BBC) is extant since 2007.

I messaged the TW user at User talk:Loriendrew - without any recommendation or request - but s/he has not edited since. Users of third-party utilities are responsible for their correct usage, and as I cannot find anything specific allowing me (under these particular circumstances) to remove Talk content, would an admin remove, in fairness to the initial editor? Thank you. Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you be more specific as to what you are asking to be removed? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 23:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't believe admin intervention is required, you are free to leave a message on the talkpage stating you believe the warning to be an error and that the addition to the infobox was ok. AS for your message about it being a lvl 2 warning being unacceptable, it is not un heard of with a user with history such as this one to no longer warrant level 1 warnings which are generally where we are still assuming good faith. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ThanQ, - I've been on WP for eight years and I know there are two admins I could name at the teahouse, rather than approaching any one individual elsewhere, I thought it might be useful for Teahouse volunteers to be able to consider. I meant that the whole section (User talk:Okay,okayhshshs) should be removed by an admin as it was wrongly applied. I couldn't find anything (ferinstance at Talk page guidelines) alluding to rectification of incorrect usage of speed-dialled warnings. AFAIK only admin can do that? Other than the initiater who could self-revert.
 * Regarding my use of "inappropriate", I didn't mean that uw-bio2 was inappropriate instead of level 1, rather the whole presumption that it was unsourced and as such needed to be knee-jerked reverted was inappropriate, being a too-shallow observation by the TW user. I can recognise that Okay,okayhshshs doesn't leave edit summaries and has a history of previous criticisms - already checked that some days ago. But that doesn't excuse the quick-fire trigger on the pop-up utility (I am also aware of the recent development RedWarn) and we should strive to correct wrongs, IMO. I often write individually-composed messages (like this one to the same user in March 2021), rather than the standard, templated messages which can be perceived as harsh.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How to cite the plot?
When creating an article on a movie (this one), how to cite the entire plot, or is it ok if I don't cite the plot? Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 03:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Excellenc1: Generally, it's fine if you don't have a citation for the plot (as MOS:PLOTSOURCE describes). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Paperpen2824's article has been declined
Hello, My article has been declined , would appreciate if someone can help me on that and review it once. Paperpen2824 (talk) 06:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Paperpen2824, the last time Draft:Abhishek A Rastogi was declined, a few days ago, the comment was . This is just as true now. Do these sources exist? If they do not, no article can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 07:11, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Your article was declined because is it lacks reliable, significant, independent sources, and the subject is therefore not considered notable. There's tons of content in the article, yet only two references, which leaves major verifiability issues. Unless you can provide reliable independent sources that show significant coverage of the subject, the article is likely to be entirely rejected for inclusion on Wikipedia. –– FormalDude  talk  07:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Is it ok if I answer queries even if I'm not a teahouse host?
I promise I won't mislead anyone. I'll help only if I can. Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 04:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I hope so, as I'm not an official host either! ClaudineChionh (talk) 05:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It is absolutely ok to do that. Answering questions is how you become a host! (Spontaneous generation of Teahouse hosts was a popular theory, but it was proved wrong 150 years ago; it is now known that existing editors are transformed into hosts by exposure to large amounts of tea.)
 * However, please only answer questions if (1) you are familiar enough with the relevant guidelines etc. and (2) you are welcoming of new users even if they ask "stupid" questions are themselves not likeable characters (POV-pushers, paid editors etc.). (Advice for the first point: do not answer copyright questions until you have seen many of those answered. I got, like, twenty of these wrong before I became halfway decent at it.) Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

My IP has been blocked even though I don't do anything
183.171.25.164 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. Since you posted here, your IP is not blocked. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello IP editor. 331dot is correct - your IP address has never been actively blocked by us. However, if you tried to edit via a browser such as Opera, which can default to using a VPN (and thus hide your real IP address), you will see a scary red message saying that the VPN's own IP address (and not yours) has been blocked. That got me the first time it happened. But, as you've managed to post this, you've obviously no longer got any issues to worry about. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee
What voting system is used to elect the arbitration committee? (e.g. first-past-the-post, etc.) Timis189 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Timis189, see Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2020, I assume it hasn't changed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Why Is My Article Rejected?
• Why My Was Rejected? TechPandeyYT (talk) 03:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I quote: "" (And more of the same.) Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia, TechPandeyYT, before attempting to add to it. -- Hoary (talk) 04:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, deleted, twice, reasons given, and you as the creating editor indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 12:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia, can't figure out anything at all.
Hi-hi-hello! I have two questions. Is there a way to upload images? How so? Anywho, see ya soon! Best regards, Thirstys (talk) 13:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there, welcome to Wikipedia! The learning curve is a little steep, so I've left you a message on your talk page with some helpful links. I recommend reading our tutorial As for uploading images, the file upload wizard is fairly easy to follow. Please don't upload anything that's copyrighted though! ~TheresNoTime (to explain!) 13:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For information on uploading images, see Uploading images. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:33, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I think the guidance at Uploading images, including the PDF brochure, is useful here. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Thirstys, hello! Yes, BUT (and this is a big but). Basically no random images you find online can be uploaded. You can upload images you've taken yourself with your own camera though, see WP:FUW. That's the general answer. Do you have a more specific question? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Thirstys Welcome to the Teahouse. Adding images can be a complex area for a new user to start with. Firstly, is the image your copyright? If not, has it been released by its owner under a licence we can re-use? We can't just use any old photo we find on a website - it must be released for commercial re-use on a proper licence. Once you've established that an image can be legally uploaded and released for others to use, you don't add it directly into a Wikipedia article, but upload it into Wikimedia Commons, from where it can be embedded into a Wikipedia article, irrespective of what language it is written in. So - not an easy first question to answer. But you can find a range of useful links to different aspects of dealing with images at Images. I hope this helps. Come back with specific questions if they don't make sense to you. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note also that there's a big collection of WP-ok pics at Commons. If you're lucky, perhaps what you want can be found there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Osmia_Music
Hi. Hope all is well. I'm writing an article for my journalism license, about Osmia Music, a known music producer from Romania. I want to know if I need to do anything else to improve the article or its enough ? I worked very hard on this project in the last days and I want to give the best for it to get it published, will help me a lot. Besides what I know about him and his music, I've made a very deep research also in his early life and music career to put all together with all references almost for every sentences. So please be kind and let me know your feedback. With love, Joan (Fjoan (talk) 11:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)) Fjoan (talk) 11:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can see you have put a lot of effort on that draft, but looking quickly through the reference list, I can see that many of them are not acceptable. It may be that if you remove those, there will be enough left to ground the article: I haven't checked. You might find WP:CSMN useful. --ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Colin. Really appreciate your feedback. If you can help me a little bit, just to show me the numbers from references that you consider are not ok ? I read about WP:CSMN and I know that I attached in references some links like youtube for example or soundcloud or itunes from his achievements along with press releases, but in the same time I saw that almost all from artists to producers or film makers had links from personal streaming platform... sooo, I'm a little bit confused. Hehe. Thank yoooou ! means a lot Fjoan (talk) 11:27, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just looking at the citations, without following them to read the sources, I would expect that nos 1-2, 8-12, 14-17, 21-22 are all unacceptable (I didn't go any further). I may be wrong about some of them, but I can say unequivocally that we don't use sites like iTunes for sources, and that a Google search is never acceptable (though items found by the search might be, if they are reliably published. YouTube is not intrinsically unacceptable, but not much published there is regarded as reliable, and if it is the subject's own work that is being cited, the thing to realise is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject says or creates, but only in what reliable commentators have said about the subject and their creations. --ColinFine (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ohh, yes. Thank you so much ColinFine, I understand now almost the full picture and I will document myself more on what you sent to me right now and get back to update the article asap. Appreciate your patience and responses, because this material means a lot for my journalist license and I want to do the best for it. You are the best ! Fjoan (talk) 12:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again . I'm not sure what your journalism licence involves, but you're probably already seeing that writing for Wikipedia is very different from journalism in some respects! Good luck. --ColinFine (talk) 13:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It is ColinFine, because requires us to be neutral regards writing about somebody, so I found Wikipedia perfect for this, even if is a little bit complicated for me with codes, policies and stuff... Thank you again ! really appreciate Fjoan (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Score next to draft article?
Hi everyone,

What does the score next to a draft article mean?

I drafted an article that was declined. I edited it to include more reliable and notable sources. I'd love to know what I can do to boost its prospects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navnine9 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for answering! Navnine9 (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know what you mean by "the score next to a draft article". If you mean the number next to an edit in your user contributions, it's not a score: it's simply the number of bytes of information that edit added or removed. Looking at your draft I see a lot of sources which don't appear to be independent of Choksi. Independence of a source is just as important as reliability for establising notability: see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Contesting 'non reliable source'
Hi there, I would very much appreciate any help from an editor, to help me get my article approved. An editor called Tol has said that the article is not mention worthy and that the sources are not reliable. I dont understand how newspapers and very mention worthy people are not deemed reliable sources, particularly when they already have pages on wikipedia. I think it may be the way I have drafted the article, I find wikipedia very difficult, particularly the layout, it must be just me, but its difficult to follow. I would so appreciate any help. Thank you. Emma Russell21 (talk) 15:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * —It's a difficult distinction until you get more accustomed to it but what is considered notable (things that have a wikipedia page) and what is considered reliable (a source we can depend upon for information) are not always the same. Amazon for example is notable, but as it is mainly filled with unvetted customer reviews, we do not use it as a reliable source; on the other side of things, a research paper published by a respected journal may have a non-notable author, but be considered reliable for its information. Looking at your draft, we have things like Amazon and YouTube being used as sources, which are considered unreliable—but if you have for example a newspaper article or a reliable website which discusses this same information, you could use that instead. If you ever have any doubt about whether a source is reliable or not, you can ask at WP:RSN for some additional opinions. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * in the draft, I'm seeing references that don't give enough information for other editors and readers to identify the source properly. For instance, there's a link to the homepage of The National Herald, but not to the specific article in the publication that mentions Phlox. You can write reference information between  tags, so an example reference with enough information for another person to properly understand it might look like this:
 * References don't have to be online, so if you were citing a print newspaper article then you'd still include the headline, byline, newspaper and publish date, but there'd be no URL. More complicated ways of formatting references exist, but are by no means mandatory. — Bilorv ( talk ) 17:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * References don't have to be online, so if you were citing a print newspaper article then you'd still include the headline, byline, newspaper and publish date, but there'd be no URL. More complicated ways of formatting references exist, but are by no means mandatory. — Bilorv ( talk ) 17:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

CAS number for chemical compound COSTUNOLIDE
The CAS # in the ChemBox of the article for costunolide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costunolide) matches that given by Common Chemistry for this compound. However, the article shows a red "X" by the CAS #, indicating that it is unverified. What should be done to change the red "X" to a green "√" to indicate the CAS # is correct/verified? Chemtalker777 (talk) 04:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's possible that CheMoBot (the bot that does that) could be malfunctioning. It looks like it has in the past. I would leave a message on the Talk Page of the bot and ping the operator. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the bot which mentioned has run since 2018 and when I find that CAS numbers (or other info in the Chembox) can be verified, I do it by a conventional edit. I've done that at Costunolide, so you can see how that looks now. Thanks for wanting to help update these links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Articles needing copy-edit
Is there a specific list of articles that need spelling and grammar fixes? So far I've found a list of articles needing copy-edit in general, but I don't know if there's a place where they're divided into categories based on what kind of editing they need. Perfect4th (talk) 17:39, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Perfect4th: Welcome to the Teahouse. The Guild of Copy Editors has a backlog that includes several maintenance tags like Tone and You. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Question
Just a question out of interest, what is the minimum age to be eligible to make edits to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.35 (talk) 17:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There is none. But, young editors and their parents should read Guidance_for_younger_editors RudolfRed (talk) 17:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I see, but is there any age criteria for creating an account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.35 (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There is none. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Again - from the Wikimedia Foundation's side, who hosts Wikipedia among other projects, there is none. I can only confirm what RudolfRed has written above - editing on Wikipedia requires a certain degreee of maturity, among other skills, and - due to Wikipedia's open nature - has certain pitfalls, including but not limited to, a scope much different from many of the other websites on the internet. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How to edit right the draft: draft:Ronnie_Makabai
I have tried to edit the draft Draft:Ronnie Makabai in the right way but all ways have failed. Can i please getr some help and how can i make this right. NB: Am not attached to the subject or know him, i just wrote things i know about him and to me he is notable. I just contributed as an editor and i wish to learn more. please help out. Biggerbenson (talk) 04:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have edited the introductory paragraph of your draft. You may check that and do the edits for the rest of the draft as well. The problem was the draft seemed to promote the person. (I'm not an admin) Excellenc1  (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 04:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm concerned about your statement "i just wrote things i know about him". Instead, I hope you are gathering your reliable sources and then summarizing/paraphrasing what they say.  If you know something that you cannot source, leave it out of your draft.  Also, please remove the external links from the lead (you may want to convert them to references).  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I have practiced all skills, but why can't i create a page still!
Jan12shamil (talk) 05:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Shamil, on your user page you say that you have or had multiple accounts, so you should first check to see whether you have a legitimate reason for having multiple accounts. You can read about the different levels of access that users have – you need to be at least confirmed or autoconfirmed to create new articles.
 * I would also advise you to read the guidelines on writing better articles citing sources.
 * Is there a specific article that you are trying to create? ClaudineChionh (talk) 06:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Help:Your first article is a wonderful resource for editors who want to create new articles.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Redirection and album cover issues
Hi, I'm currently editing Ongaku Zukan, a 1984 Japanese album by composer Ryuichi Sakamoto, and this will be my first submission to Wikipedia. Need to ask some questions: - I would like to redirect Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia to this page's "International Release" section. How do I do that? - I have the album cover that is from iTunes, and I'm OK for the non-free image resizer to resize the image. Do I have to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, state the source, put the album cover on the draft page and then declare the cover source? If so, how to declare the copyright stuffs? - For example, last time I edited Giant Steps (composition) on Wikipedia, then I put the album cover from the Wikimedia library, and then the cover is removed by the bot stating I used non-free image and has to be removed. How do I fix this?

Thanks. Weareblahs (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Weareblahs: Welcome to the Teahouse.I would like to redirect Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia to this page's "International Release" section. How do I do that? You can do it by using a wikilink to the section name that is preceded by a . In your case, it'd be  . I did not read; Gråbergs Gråa Sång has the right idea. I have the album cover that is from iTunes, and I'm OK for the non-free image resizer to resize the image. Do I have to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, state the source, put the album cover on the draft page and then declare the cover source? If so, how to declare the copyright stuffs? Since the image is non-free, you cannot upload it to Commons; it would have to be uploaded locally to the English Wikipedia. There's more info about how to satisfy the fair use criteria at WP:NFC. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Weareblahs, Hello!
 * Wait until your article has been approved, then see WP:MAKEREDIR and redirect to Draft:Ongaku_Zukan (-Draft:).
 * No, again, after your article has been approved upload it to Wikipedia, see "Upload a non-free file" at WP:FUW.
 * You don't. Non-free is a harsh mistress, and the album-cover pic is only allowed on the article about the album. Annoying, yes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Your questions are all minor issues that you can address after your article is approved.  Your primary goal should be to demonstrate how this album meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, listed at WP:NALBUMS.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Declined Article
i have been trying to get an article published for months now and i keep reasons for its refusal. I have made a changes to the article but it is not been reviewed for a little while now. Please how can i get my article published. attached is the link to my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ingrid_M._Evans ELF215 (talk) 16:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You need to address the points made in the previous reviews, and then you can resubmit it for further review. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Your draft is not currently submitted for review.  If you have made the necessary changes, you can submit the draft for review by clicking the blue 'Resubmit" button.  It looks like there have been very few edits since the draft was declined, so I suspect that more work is needed.  RudolfRed (talk) 16:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * According to our logs, you have only made one edit, the one above. If you have edited Draft:Ingrid M. Evans using another account, then please note that doing so is a violation of our policy on WP:Sockpuppetry. Also note that the username Paralegalevanslaw is likely in violation of our Username policy. Vexations (talk) 17:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked the subject up, and cannot find any significant media coverage, besides this piece in an online legal publication. []. The other results are legal directories or information about her cases, but not her. Not likely to pass WP:GNG. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:41, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As stated on User talk:Paralegalevanslaw, if you are a paralegal for Evans or have any other relationship with her that would be a conflict of interest, you must declare it on your user page. Each piece of information on your draft should be from an independent and reliable source.  Also see WP:SURNAME. Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How to get an Article graded
Hi there, I was wondering how to submit an article to get graded/get it a higher grade, because I recently have been working on the article Fagin and added a lot of citations which could probably get its grade up to C class at least. Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Kaleeb18, Hello! Up to "B" these gradings are informal and you can WP:BOLDly set them yourself by changing the template at Talk:Fagin. See the "quality scale" links there for guidance. You can also ask a at place like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fictional characters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I made a few changes and upgraded the article to C-class. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you . I know the gradings are informal, but since I am a newer Wikipedia editor I don’t want to be the one to change the article’s grading. I’m still looking for a page that I can submit an article to be reviewed. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Anything up to B-class doesn't have a formal review process so there isn't really a central page for that, but you can always ask at a related wikiproject for a second opinion to have someone check the grading. The first stage of formal reviewing for article quality begins at WP:GAN, where articles are assessed for "Good" article criteria. If you want to look over the criteria for those and use that as a checklist when working on articles, you might have some joy submitting articles through that process after some work. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaleeb18 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * See Content assessment for a rough idea of what is needed. In the past, I've upgraded, but also downgraded articles. Before nominating a C-class or B-class article for "Good Article" I typically check every sentence and every reference, often deleting and adding lots of content, over weeks. For example, I did weeks of editing to Biotin before nominating, then scores more edits once the review started. David notMD (talk) 20:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Article Notification - General Notability Guideline
Hello,

I recently created my first article Stephen Guidry, and this message (below) popped up on the page: The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "Stephen Guidry" American football – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (October 2021) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

I'm not sure what to do about it... Born of Iron (talk) 20:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You bypassed Articles for Creation to create an article about a player who had a college career and was drafted to the NFL, but has yet to play a game. The article may get punted to draft status or nominated for deletion as not being about a person who meets Wikipedia's criteria of notability. To paraphrase: American NFL football players are presumed notable if they have appeared in at least one regular season or post-season game." David notMD (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with assessment. The article looks good in terms of what is written, but the subject is not yet notable per Wikipedia standards. Once he makes a regular or postseason start, we can re-assess. Bkissin (talk) 21:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The notability criteria mentioned is located at WP:NGRIDIRON.  GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps about Draft:Philippines in the ABU TV Song Festival?
Added title

I will like to make the Contest Country Returning Jai (talk) 22:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do in Wikipedia.  To learn how to edit, I suggest visiting Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure, and then spend time editing existing articles.  When you feel you're ready, gather multiple independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the Philippines in the ABU TV Song Festival, and follow the instructions at Help:Your first article.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

What do we do with these types of articles?
I was looking through random articles and I sometimes I see ones like this South Korea at the 1992 Winter Paralympics. They haven’t been edited in two years and it’s a stub. Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Often a stub is something that still has plenty of potential to become something greater; it may only be a stub because no editor has put together the sources to expand yet, not because they aren't out there. I recently finished bringing an article through the "featured" article process that was a simple 70-word stub when I found it, and sometimes there's a lot of personal enjoyment to be found in taking those articles and making something of them. In the specific case of the one you linked, you could try looking through the relevant wikiproject to find similar articles of a higher standard to use as a model--WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics has a few articles under the "X at the Y Paralympics" format that have gone through review as "good" articles and you could use those as examples. A stub is just an opportunity for a new project. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I see, but what if the article has no good references? Do we just send it through the deletion process? Kaleeb18 (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There are several options listed at Articles for deletion. GoingBatty (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For this article in particular, it could be expanded to include information about the two athletes and the events in which they competed. GoingBatty (talk) 01:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

How do i use MediaWiki?
How do I use it? Do I need some funding or something like that? I really make my own called "Manchild wiki" or REDB wiki. a updated manual would be good tho Thegibuspyro (talk) 02:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! https://www.mediawiki.org/ looks like it has lots of information for you, including it own user help, FAQ, and support desk.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:50, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks but can link any manuals or "FAQS" for it!Thegibuspyro (talk) 02:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * https://www.mediawiki.org/ has a box "Set up and run MediaWiki". It's much easier to use the wiki hosting service Fandom than setting up and running your own MediaWiki installation. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * On https://www.mediawiki.org/ the left sidebar has links labeled "FAQ" and "Technical manual". GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Is it okay to create a sandbox page without first creating a user page?


Today I wanted to try using my sandbox page to test the wikilink format of Special:Diff for use in an edit summary. However, when attempting to create it I get this vague editnotice. Help:Subpages is of no help in clarifying the significance of this notice, nor is WP:USERSUBPAGE. Skimming Help:Subpages and clicking through some of the links on page, I found nothing at all about the case of creating a subpage when the parent page doesn't exist.

My assumption is that the creators of MediaWiki were competent enough that creating this sandbox page will go without a hitch. Other than the fact that the backlink will be red link. From this, I have to surmise that this editnotice is mainly for the case of creating a subpage under another's user page. Although that seems like an extremely rare occurrence, so really I have no idea what this editnotice is for.

I know very little about how editnotices work technically, but I did look through Category:Editnotice templates to try to find where this editnotice comes from to no avail.

Yes, a much simpler "fix" would have simply been to follow what the editnotice seems to imply and create my user page. But I'm a curious person, and I also don't really want to create my user page until I have something to put there. At this point all that would be is a link to my sandbox.

I've currently sidestepped this issue by simply previewing my sandbox page and never publishing it. Firvqipo (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * If you want to experiment with a sandbox without creating a subpage to a page that does not yet exist, you can use Sandbox instead. Vexations (talk) 18:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that message is just worded in a confusing way. It is not referring to your User Page, it is referring to the Sandbox page in your userspace.  I get the same edit notice when I go to my sandbox which does not yet exist, but my user page does.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thank you for testing. I wonder if it's feasible to change this editnotice, as it's quite confusing. Perhaps it's a part of MediaWiki. I've wasted way too much time on this today, so I won't go researching that myself. Firvqipo (talk) 18:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW, the help page for subpages on the mediawiki software is at mw:Help:Subpages Vexations (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Firvqipo, I think you are fine to create a sandbox, even if you don't have a user page. (If it somehow accidentally got deleted, you could just ping the deleting admin and they'd restore it.) The name of the page that creates that notice is MediaWiki:Newarticletext. It displays differently in different namespapces/situtations. Is there a particular way you'd like to see it changed when creating a userspace subpage? Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 21:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information. I'd like it to be reworded to make it clear that the "user page" referenced in "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title" is in fact the subpage being created, and not the parent user page. Per RudolfRed's response. I can't think of a good way to rephrase it off the top of my head. Perhaps simply replacing "user page" with "user subpage" or "subpage in user space" would suffice? Firvqipo (talk) 23:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Firvqipo! The way MediaWiki handles slashes in page names is, umm … interesting. Technically, the page name is the full path as displayed "User:Firvqipo/sandbox" not just "sandbox". It's not like a file system where the containing folder must exist before you can put a file into it. If the part before the slash doesn’t exist as a page, then relative paths like "../sibling" won't point to where you might expect. If you're not creating sub-sub-pages nor using relative paths (uncommon on Wikipedia, but does happen on Wikisource) then you'll probably never notice a practical difference. The one hint may be the "breadcrumb" links at the top of the page. Hope that makes sense! ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 05:04, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Anup Ranjan Pandey
I want to discuss about this article Draft:Anup Ranjan Pandey I want to say that this person is notable because he got national and forth highest award in India and biggest newspapers and news channel of India writed article about it and see this page List of Padma Shri award recipients (2020–2029) all persons who got that award have wikipedia page because only by that award he is notable so why this person is not notable UserABCXYZ (talk) 15:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft appears to still be in review. I would wait until you hear a response from the reviewer. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * if you leave your comment ("this person is notable because ...") at the talk page of the draft then the reviewer should see it and take it into account. Either way, hundreds of drafts are submitted each day but we have only a handful of experienced volunteers who handle most reviews, so it can take a long time for a draft to be reviewed (which can be done in any order, based on reviewer subject knowledge or which drafts will be quicker to assess or other whims). No news is no news: if the draft is still in the queue, that doesn't mean anything, good or bad. — Bilorv ( talk ) 17:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree with . Your draft should make it very clear why the person is notable.  Reviewers might not know what Padma Shri is, so you could explain what it is, and what he did to deserve it.  It is also not clear what a "Baster band" is.  For your references in Hindi, I suggest you add a trans-title parameter with an English translation of the Hindi title.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll try to make my point a bit clearer, . If you want to leave a note for a reviewer, such as by explaining why a draft is notable (if it was a draft about an album, you might say "this meets WP:NALBUM condition #2 by charting on the Norwegian national charts"), you can do so on the talk page. This isn't a substitute for including the actual information and references in the draft that demonstrate clearly why the person is notable. It can only be an additional note to help the reviewer quickly navigate to the most important references and facts. — Bilorv ( talk ) 20:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Bilorv, the creator of a draft is welcome to do as you suggest, but I doubt that most reviewers even glance at the talk page of a draft they're considering. Rather to my surprise, Anup Ranjan Pandey is now promoted to an article. It consists of a single paragraph, which in turn consists of three short sentences. If a subject is promising and such a short text is any good, a reviewer should be able to discern notability. Questions of notability aside, the article seems peculiarly uninformative. "Anup Ranjan Pandey is a musical artist who works in Baster band (a band in Bastar district)": we don't get to learn what the musical genre is (genres are), which instrument(s) ARP plays, or how long ARP has been at it. (For all we know, he could be 25 or 85.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Can i get my page reviewed .a.s.a.p.?
HI, I need my page reviewed. is it posibble to get page reviewed a.s.a.p? please ignore my spelling in this request and grammar. I'm on a chromebook laptop right now. FaarizPlayz (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @FaarizPlayz: There is no deadline. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you explain Why you are in so much hurry? २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 20:11, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu, I know. it just that I will need to update the page when time comes. Once, you read the page. You'll find out what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FaarizPlayz (talk • contribs) 20:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You moved it to mainspace and an editor kicked it back to draft: Draft:Thanoose on Zebra series. I put a SUBMIT tag on it, but if you submit, it will be declined, as all refs are YouTube. Once submitted, it can be up to two months before reviewed (the system is not a queue). Teahouse hosts are not at Teahouse to be Reviewers. David notMD (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * FaarizPlayz, the replies you received here and here and here still apply. --bonadea contributions talk 08:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . It sounds as if you have a (very common) misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia has nothing whatever to do with advancing anybody's career. If at some point there is an article about you, it will not belong to you, it will not be for your benefit (except incidentally), it will not be controlled by you, it will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and it should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about you, not on what you say or want to say. If you want to work on your online presence, please do so somewhere else, not in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 09:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Not certain how to cite PDF file
I would like to cite a PDF file made by the Swedish police regarding the 2021 Eslöv school attack in Sweden, but I am unable to find the actual source of the PDF. I could only find it on a file-sharing website which is blocked by Wikipedia. I believe the PDF contains critical information about the event which in my eyes raises its significance immensely. For example, the Police state the attack was inspired by the Christchurch Mosque attacks and was politically motivated. The attack was also livestreamed to Twitch via a mounted camera. Since this PDF seems to be the only piece of media that states this information (no news articles have written about the new information in it yet) I have no idea on how I can share this information. Parzival2101 (talk) 12:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you can't. Information in Wikipedia must be attributable to published reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. You first need to find such sources.--Shantavira|feed me 12:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi could you share the "PDF file made by the Swedish police regarding the 2021 Eslöv school attack in Sweden" or whatever you have in your hands right now. I'll try my best in helping find the actual citation cause I that's what my name --LostCitrationHunter (talk) 14:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC) (it was spposed to be Citation but that name was already taken)

Help
Is any image from this site public domain through any US Government copyright tag? <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"> Peter Ormond &#128172;  23:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! You are correct, per Non-free content.  You can use the File Upload Wizard and click "Upload a non-free file".  On the next page, complete all the appropriate fields, and in Step 3 select "This is a free work" and "This file is in the Public Domain for some other reason." and "It was created by an agency of the US Federal Government."  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The only thing I would add to 's information here is to try to avoid a full WP:COPYPASTE of the information from the Public Domain source. It may not be a copyright violation, but it's still a little tacky. Bkissin (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Why do we use Latin ipa
Oliverdlh (talk) 17:40, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Because the International Phonetic Alphabet is "based primarily on the Latin script", as it says in that article. Or do you mean some other IPA?  Maproom (talk) 18:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

can we link articles from other wikipedias?
For the Wikipedia in English article Michel Magne I'd like to link the Caen Conservatory, but the English Wikipedia doesn't have an article about it, but the French one does https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatoire_%C3%A0_rayonnement_r%C3%A9gional_de_Caen Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * See H:FOREIGNLINK. -- zzuuzz (talk) 14:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Greg Dahlen I prefer Template:Interlanguage link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Which is the first option on the page linked to, . --ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * So it is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

What is the difference between Draft:Sandbox and Wikipedia:Sandbox?
What is the difference between Draft:Sandbox and Sandbox? 85.193.252.19 (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I noticed your question has remain unanswered for a while, we apologize, whilst I’m not entirely sure i understand what you are asking, I would proceed to give you a blanket response, which is, the WP:SANDBOX, is a space where you are free to test and practice your editing skills. Celestina007 (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:Sandbox and Sandbox are both sandboxes, where you can practice editing, but can't expect what you do to remain there. They are different sandboxes, with (as far as I can tell) identical properties. Maproom (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The main difference is how Visual Editor is not enabled, by default, for Wikipedia: pages. I don't fully get the difference, but there is one. Try Special:Edit/Draft:Sandbox and Special:Edit/Wikipedia:Sandbox in new cookie-free windows. So if VE is your thing, Draft: is the place to try it out. -- zzuuzz (talk) 14:11, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * actually, there is not realy a difference: You can deliberately activate VE in namespaces where its link in the toolbar doesn't appear by default, by adding the  param to the URL. ( link for this page ) or if done properly, I don't have a way ad hoc, by using mw.libs.ve.activateVe(mode). I believe the reason why the Visual Editor is not enabled in certain namespaces is that it was mainly designed to help new users get a feeling for editing Wikipedia without having to learn the complex Wikisyntax. For pages in the Wikipedia namespace this is most often either not what new users do (as new users probbably won't create policies or essays using complex syntax), or useless (for example on this very page) as there is no support for section editing, resulting in you getting edit conflicts all over the place.Another reason for some namespaces is that the Visual Editor only support pages that are written in Wikitext, which some namespaces simply aren't. The pretty much only case where Visual Editing could be usefull in the Wikipedia namespace are AFD and related pages, which are most likely short enough to not constantly cause edit conflicts. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Victor Schmidt I can activate visual editor on both sites. All I need is to click on "Edit page visually". So I see no difference at all.
 * Thank you all for such a detailed explanation, but my question was not very important. I asked out of curiosity, but I don't care which site I use. But again, thanks for your response. I am pleasantly surprised :-) 85.193.252.19 (talk) 21:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Factual Content was deleted. the deletionist said "wrong song" but it is confirmed 100% ?????
Factual Content was deleted. the deletionist said "wrong song" but it is confirmed 100% ?????

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Don_McLean&diff=1051466002&oldid=1051464581

Jonny Mathis "And I Love You So" is a song by Johnny Mathis. It is track #3 from the album Killing Me Softly With Her Song that was released in 1973 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Me_Softly_with_Her_Song_(album) The song was written by Don McLean

Eddy Arnold: "And I Love You So" Album: Hand Holdin' Songs 1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_Arnold_discography The song was written by Don McLean Lib-trans-free (talk) 19:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * At first glance it looks like your addition was fine, but the correct course of action is now to present your suggestion on the Talk Page. It's likely not a high-traffic Talk Page, so I will watch the page and defend the addition if it proves to be accurate and due. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Becoming a confirmed user
How to become confirmed user(not extended confirmed) as my account is auto confirmed. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 23:16, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You don't need to do anything – there is no functional difference between manually and auto-confirmed users. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 23:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Should I reference the same source multiple times?
I'm sorry if this has an obvious answer, but this is my first time editing a Wikipedia article. I wanted to add some information to the Cabinet de lecture Wikipedia article, and was wondering if I add information in separate places in the article, should I include an inline citation to the resource each time I reference information I found in it? Cvwayne (talk) 00:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * —Yes, unless you have several consecutive sentences that it could be added to the end of, then it should be cited in each separate location where it applies. If you look at today's featured article Livyatan for example you can see that the first source is cited in about 20 different locations, which is the proper way to use it when its information is spread throughout the article. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, ! Cvwayne (talk) 00:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Unverified/Uncited information about Ray Eberle's grandchildren on his Wikipedia page: Requesting additions and/or corrections?
Hello! I notice which a recently-deleted Wikipedia user (Rayeberlefamily) has made some inaccurate edits to the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Eberle ...The date of this edit is displayed as https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ray_Eberle&oldid=1035848025 or July 28th, 2021. Namely, he, she, or they made the following changes, which I shall quote here: Added grandchildren, fixed cause of death. The name of at least one of these grandchildren, Michael Eberle is not accurate, because ...1: There don't seem to be any sources or citations claiming him to be part of the Eberle family. 2: If by 'Michael Eberle', they refer to my Mom, Laurie's firstborn son, then his last name was never Eberle when he was born or at any time during or after his childhood. My Mom was married to her first husband, Mike DePilla during this time. Please pardon me if the spelling of his last name is incorrect. Thus, Michael's last name should not be listed as Eberle.

Furthermore, I am the second biological son of my aforementioned Mom, named Ross Eberle. I would prefer if Michael's name be removed from the article since he didn't consider himself to be related to the Eberle family. He ultimately chose to live with his father, while still a minor. This happened after my Mom divorced her husband, Mike. However, if Michael is going to be listed as one of Ray's grandchildren in this article, then I have the right to be listed on this article as well, since my Mom's last name was Eberle at the time of my birth; she was not currently married. If anyone has any questions or comments in regards to this, feel free to contact me here on Wikipedia.

P.S. I have shown this article to my Mom, Laurie with its most recent edits, before sending this message. The purpose of this was to gain her opinion and permission to contact you, the editors on my grandfather's (Ray Eberle's) talk page. Any citations in regards to my requests for these changes can be requested from me at any time. SnarkyEberle (talk) 19:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * SnarkyEberle, you asked about this at Talk:Ray Eberle. That was the right place to ask. Now wait for a response there. In the meantime, I suggest that the article should say nothing about its subject's grandchildren, even if the sole cited source mentions them (or any of them). (I haven't looked at the cited source.) If you do want the article to say something, then whatever that "something" is, you're going to have to present a reliable, independent, published source for it: personal knowledge is disregarded. -- Hoary (talk) 22:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * An editor has removed names of children and all mentions of grandchildren, which is in accord with accepted practice at Wikipedia unless the children or grandchildren are themselves notable enough to be subjects of articles. David notMD (talk) 00:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

When can I begin to edit locked pages?
I really wanted to add information to my favourite football team Chelsea fc but there page is locked so when can I edit it? Footballeditor999 (talk) 07:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may post on the article talk page and make an edit request(click for instructions) detailing the change you would like to see made. Your account must be four days old with 10 edits or more to be able to edit that article. 331dot (talk) 07:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Footballeditor999: I'll also add that any information you add to the article should be reliably sourced from sources independent of the subject, and should significantly cover said subject. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:39, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * To answer more generally, there are different levels of locks, and the chart at Protection policy shows which editors can edit which articles. I suggest you ensure you fully understand why all six of your article edits were reverted, and then make some successful article edits, before editing the Chelsea FC article.  GoingBatty (talk) 02:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Thomas Christiano
Hi there! Just got a rejection of my draft for the prominent philosopher Thomas Christiano. Maybe I am assuming a bit too much here but he got books published with Oxford University Press and three papers with the highest ranking philosophy journals. Yet, User:Greenman seems to disagree and has referred me to the notability guidelines.

But it clearly states there: "Many scientists, researchers, philosophers and other scholars (collectively referred to as "academics" for convenience) are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources."

So with my draft I went for the criteria stated in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)

Why would my draft be subject to other notability criteria than that? Friddle (talk) 11:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link draft:Thomas Christiano Karenthewriter (talk) 12:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , which of the eight criteria listed at Notability_(academics) do you believe Christiano satisfies? (I'm not claiming that he doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards of notability; but you're going to need to make your case and support it with references.) Maproom (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! To state that "he is one of the most influential American philosophers in moral and political philosophy", you'll need to provide an independent reliable source that makes this claim.  The first two references you provided merely show that he is an author.  GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Account Creator
How to become Account Creator in Wikipedia and How to use ACC Tool for creating accounts UserABCXYZ (talk) 10:49, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The account creator role is given to experienced and trusted Wikipedia users to assist in creating accounts for other people under special circumstances.
 * Why are you seeking this role? ClaudineChionh (talk) 11:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you mean article creator and Articles for Creation (AfC)? See WP:YFA. David notMD (talk) 12:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I read a wikipedia page this Requests for permissions/Account creator/Administrator instructions in the second line that "It is granted to users who are active in the account request process (ACC)." so what is the meaning of active in ACC and How to active in ACC and last question that users who are active in ACC which was they have to do and how to join ACC UserABCXYZ (talk) 11:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You asked about ACC a few minutes ago. See my reply, above. David notMD (talk) 12:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * UserABCXYZ, please make several hundred constructive, substantive alterations to articles before you worry about such matters. You might start with an article you created, Anup_Ranjan_Pandey. (I point out above that currently this is curiously uninformative.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , Eisshh! Hoary, please go easy on them, @, what Hoary is saying is you need to understand and grasp the fundamentals of editing properly before moving into more advanced areas of this collaborative project. Furthermore as stated by  do you mean WP:AFC? Celestina007 (talk) 13:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Alan Singh
, and  Ji, Is Alan Singh page fit for Wikipedia now? Because his ten references have been completed. Using all these references, help me complete Alan Singh page.
 * Courtesy: Draft:Alan Singh. RegentsPark removed references that do not qualify as reliable source references, for example Exam Books. Current draft at three references and Declined on 21 October by Lazy Maniik. David notMD (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Bots are not able to answer questions. You can visit User:Muninnbot to see the limited amount of edits it performs.  I suggest you update your draft to comply with Manual of Style/Biography.  For your book references, I suggest you add parameters such as author, publisher, year, and page.  Happy editing!    02:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

article in the sandbox of my user account, but how to publish it in wikipedia?
I prepared an new article in the sandbox of my user account, but how to publish it in wikipedia? I am completely lost in the help space of wikipedia. user account: EvalRohstoffe EvalRohstoffe (talk) 22:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @EvalRohstoffe If you know how to start an empty new article, then do it and you will see an empty source page. Your next action is simple: copy and paste the source code from your sandbox to the new article. Is this the article you want to create? I hope it will help. 85.193.252.19 (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * EvalRohstoffe is not autoconfirmed and cannot create articles directly. You can add  to the sandbox to submit it for review, or you can use the Article Wizard linked on User talk:EvalRohstoffe, and choose "Next" on the first page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Before you submit the draft for review, I suggest you read Help:Your first article and Manual of Style and Help:Footnotes, and make the appropriate adjustments to your draft.  Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and reading and updating existing articles will also help you with your draft.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

talk page
who is supposed to answer questions in talk pages 2601:440:C081:74B0:70C5:DF93:7B76:97CF (talk) 04:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Anyone who has good reason to believe that their answer will be constructive or helpful. -- Hoary (talk) 04:14, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

How to add note ?
What is the code for it. When to use a note ? Newton Euro (talk) 05:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see Help:Referencing for beginners, Newton Euro. -- Hoary (talk) 05:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

No response on a contribution I made
Good day,

On my submitted contribution on 20th August,2021 :  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Vayam&oldid=1039659486

There is no response yet.

Kindly guide me on how to proceed with it KaizenKraft (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * welcome to the Teahouse. You had not submitted your draft for review. I have added a template that allows you to do so, but it is not likely that the draft would be accepted in its current state. For one thing, it contains quite a bit of language that looks like advertising, and there is information in the draft that has no source, or is sourced to IMDb, which is not a reliable source. The plot summary does not summarise the plot – a plot summary should not ask questions, and it should summarise the entire plot, briefly. --bonadea contributions talk 21:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , the entire "Summary" section was a copyright violation of https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13788758/, so I have deleted it. Wikipedia takes copyright law seriously. Maproom (talk) 07:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Translation's title
Suppose I want to create a translation of fr:Association de défense des actionnaires minoritaires. How do I know if the translation already exists? How do I know if the existing translation's title is in its original language (French in this case) or in English? (Just an example, I have already created its translation). Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 03:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If a translation exists, hopefully they would be linked together in Wikidata, so when visiting an article such as fr:Association de défense des actionnaires minoritaires you would see the "1 langue" dropdown to find the English equivalent. Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

For example, this article on pollicitation in French civil law (currently working on its translation here). How do I know an article on "pollicitation" exists and this article was a section in it? Or an article on "French civil law" where this exists? (Just an example, there are many other articles like this, for example this one.) Excellenc1  (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 06:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You can determine if an article on "pollicitation" exists by using the search bar to search for "pollicitation" and going to fr:Pollicitation. You know that fr:Association de défense des actionnaires minoritaires is an article (which has sections) just by looking at the title, and therefore you know it's not a section of some other article.  I don't understand your last question (and maybe don't understand your first question).  GoingBatty (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

My last question (which I guess you are referring to the one I put in brackets) was another example of an article which could exist as a section of another article. It is about a law in France passed in 1980 and there are many such French articles on laws. Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 07:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to WikiMedia Voting
I understand many people do not know about the vote, I feel lucky that Wikipedia has give such notifications only to my page. Thank you much

I will research now more on new topics and help this niche community grow

Anyone who would like to join me please write here on my talk page so that we can work as a group? Thank you IndianVenture (talk) 09:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Entering content to publish
Re: Entering a subject matter for Publishing with the subject's approval. Is it necessary to contact the subject in an accounting of a performing artists performance? Are website's copyright of pictorial material added to permissions? Channel19 (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello! Do you want to add content to an existing article or create a new article? You do not need approval from the subject of the article, but anything you add should follow Wikipedia's guidelines for writing biographies of living persons and including or linking to copyright material. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 01:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If a website has copyrighted pictorial material (images, I presume), you cannot copy those images and use them in a Wikipedia article.  Other Teahouse hosts can guide you with the necessary copyright information. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

My Dear Friends and Non-Friends Alike!
Why was this undone? 62.165.255.66 (talk) 09:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I believe my edit summary states that it was reverted per Manual of Style. There is a redirect template already in use on the page, your persistent replacement of that with various other phrases is unconstructive and serves little purpose. Dark-World25 (talk) 09:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

new page template
hi i am new here and looking for create new page template can anyone help David Wright in Spain (talk) 10:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It appears from your list of contributions, David Wright in Spain, that your first aim is to publicize yourself. This is not what Wikipedia is for. No template will help you achieve this goal. Please read Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If instead you'd like to assist in making well-informed, carefully referenced, disinterested improvements to existing articles, then you're very welcome to do so; you might start with The Wikipedia Adventure. After experience with existing articles, you might try making an article from scratch, but it wouldn't be about yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 12:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

proper licensing for SVG replacements of raster images
I am dipping my toe in the water of editing Wikipedia and was looking to update some rasterized images, consistent with the template: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Convert_to_SVG.

I was hoping someone could provide clarity on best practices for this as far as licensing/uploading. I had tried one, but on reflection think that I had made some inaccurate selections. Chief among them, while the reproduction is my work, on reflection, I don't think that is the most accurate choice from the perspective of the upload wizard. Ex.,
 * original: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Cascade_refrigeration_(two-cycle)_process_schematic_diagram.png
 * conversion: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cascade_refrigeration_(two-cycle)_process_schematic_diagram.svg

It seems like now it would be better to select/provide the following to the upload wizard:
 * this file is not my own work radio button
 * source (link to original Wikimedia file)
 * author (original file's author)
 * license (original file's license)

Additional recommendations welcome!

For reference, here is an example image that appears to be a high quality reproduction, but may be making similar licensing errors by accident.
 * original: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OO_Modeling_languages_history.jpg
 * conversion: LBuwBsCY15V$ (talk) 17:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You will get a more comprehensive answer from the Commons:Village pump/Copyright help desk but my take is as follows. The original .png file is not licensed correctly. According to the supplied URL, although the article was open-access, the license they used was CC-BY-NC-SA 3.0. The problem is the NC ("no commercial use") and such files are NOT allowed on Commons: only files licensed for commercial use are held there, despite Wikipedia not itself being commercial. If the licensing had been CC-BY-SA 3.0 you would have been perfectly within your rights to modify the diagram to an .svg version and upload that to Commons. However, even in this case it would have been appropriate to quote the original source/authorship in the file description. You could still do so just by editing the Summary part on your file's Commons page. If my reading of the situation is correct, you should now copy both your question and my response to the Commons page I linked, where those with more expertise than I have will be able to advise what needs to be done next. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Translation
If I would like to help out in Chinese to English translations, What should I do? Thefatpotato (talk) 12:12, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Thefatpotato, Welcome! You can find guidance on these pages: Translation and Wikipedians/Translators. Does that help? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:12, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Dmitry Borisovich Volkov
Hello everyone. Now in this article there is an introduction of information without sources. The edits were first rolled back by the participants, then I started rolling back. At the moment, the article is posted on the block, but the information of the ip participant in the article remains. Please delete the false information. It's about: "... part of the AnastasiaDate online dating chain". 2A00:1FA1:4115:1538:6C94:97:3F76:2BC7 (talk) 08:48, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Per the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, please discuss this on the article's talk page: Talk:Dmitry Borisovich Volkov.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:40, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Old Oak Tree
What is the common name of Old Oak Tree? I don't know if the current title is correct. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This source calls it the "Old Oak Tree", this source and this source call it the "Basking Ridge White Oak Tree". I'm not an admin, I know this doesn't solve your query, just whatever I found on it. Excellenc1  (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 03:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You created the article in February 2021. Why are you now concerned about the name? David notMD (talk) 12:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Because I am unsure it is correct. I used to live in the town of that tree and that was what we called the tree - the "Old Oak Tree". I never verified sources for the name - I just thought that this was naturally what the name of the article should be. I need a second opinion/someone to help find what the common name is. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * So based on the sources I mentioned above, you may rename it as Basking Ridge White Oak Tree. Excellenc1  (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 07:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I started an RM. Please contribute. Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Manual for scientists on Wikipedia
Today I found this, a nicely written manual for scientists; it explains how to use Wikipedia: "A step-by-step guide for using Wikipedia for research communication", best regards,HenriDuvent (talk) 11:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , that article appears to be advice on how to use Wikipedia to publicise original research. Are you aware that Wikipedia articles should aim to be based on secondary sources, not research papers? Maproom (talk) 11:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, they discuss WP:SELFCITE, which isn't necessarily the same thing. Still, we can always warn the Germans. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @HenriDuvent Not bad, I added it at Wikipedia in blogs. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:48, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The blog is quite well balanced in my opinion and it is interesting that they chose as an example their contribution to the German-language Wikipedia, commenting that all edits they made were subject to review by other experienced editors before they were accepted. On English WP, very few articles have such pending changes restrictions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have only two minor gripes with that article. One is the encouragement to self-cite, which is a bit risky. The other was a rather unclear use of "we" in connection with accounts; obviously WP user accounts are one-person things, not things that you set up with a colleague. But otherwise, it's a jolly good, encouraging and useful article, that seemed to show the authors as well-intentioned towards WP and its aims, and receptive to the WP way of thinking. I hope they carry on editing, and that their readers are suitably inspired. Thank you for the link, user:HenriDuvent Elemimele (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

So after a new page has been reviewed....
What happens next? Is there anything that the creator of the page can or should add to the page? Do articles still need "authority control"? Sorry, it's been a few years since I last created a page, so I don't remember the process. Lupine453 (talk) 00:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please read Help: Authority control. The word "reviewed" has several meanings on Wikipedia. I will assume for the sake of discussion that you are talking about handling a new article which is now part of the encylopedia. The general answer is "keep improving the article". I have written about 100 new articles, so here are a few more specific suggestions. First, add categories, which are of great help to readers researching broad groups of similar things. Another thing is to add non-free images, which are not allowed in drafts or sandbox pages. Such images are common in articles about books, movies, TV shows, plays, albums, paintings and so on. Also, you can add non-free images to biographies of people who have died, if no free image is available. Another good thing to do is to add incoming links to the new article from related articles where the topic of the new article is mentioned. You can also create redirects to the new article from alternative names for the topic, common misspellings of the topic, and so on. Look for Disambiguation pages related to the new article, and create a new listing where appropriate. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  01:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Publish
Good Day All

I am new here and I wanted to ask if someone could guide me. I am looking for a way to publish stories without getting accused of advertising or some other label.

I simply want to try to put my stories out there so that my dream as a journalist can be short lived and possibly could get an offer from a big new channel. Glorified Anchorman (talk) 20:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and is not the right place for you to publish your stories.  You will need to seek out another venue for that.  See WP:NOT RudolfRed (talk) 20:31, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I wish you luck in your career, but Wikipedia is not for the purpose you are using it for. There are places like social media, a personal blog, or other alternative better suited for what you are doing. If you want to contribute to this project to write an encyclopedia of human knowledge, you may want to learn more about it by reviewing the five pillars and using the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 20:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles don't have a byline, and editors don't use their first and last name, for their identity is not to be revealed to the public. Even if you were to tell a potential employee that you wrote several Wikipedia articles that may not impress, for not everyone has a high opinion of this on-line encyclopedia. It would be better to start your own blog site where you could research, write and publish articles on subjects that you believe would help you obtain employment as a journalist. Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

queries regarding how to edit wikipedia as a new beginner and how to create new pages and what is NPOV?
Hello,sir im john belgi.and im a new beginner to wikipedia sir.so what are the contribution and things that i need to do before editing.please help me out sir,as i want to be a developed my writing skills. John Belgi (talk) 13:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi How goes it? Welcome to Wikipedia. Please take a look at WP:REFB. It is a small tutorial that describes how to create a reference. Every sentence needs a references, ideally. There is many area's you can work on. Improving existing articles is one way, I think is a good way of getting going, but remember to reference your content. Your best way of creating an article is the using the draft system, found at Drafts. Each draft is reviewed by another person to ensure its good quality by adhering to Wikipedia policies. One such policy which is critically important is WP:NPOV. It is a core policy. It  describes neutrality, the concept of keeping the article balanced, such that competing arguments are assigned to even weights in the discussion of particular subject. You don't want one side taking the whole argument. It needs to be truthful and accurate as possible. There is an adopt a editor at Adopt-a-user, which is really good.    scope_creep Talk  14:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello John Belgi, your question is addressed to "sir", which is a title given to men, so I hope you won't mind a woman writing to you. It may be that English is not the language that you know the best, so you might want to consider developing your writing skills in a language that is easier for you to understand. There are over 300 languages that have their own Wikipedia editions, and they can be found here: List of Wikipedias. There is also a Simple English Wikipedia that can be edited. Wherever you decide to work, keep in mind that Wikipedia is a place for people to find accurate information, so if you want to improve an article you need to show that the sentences you are adding contain information from reliable sources, such as newspaper articles or reference books. You can't just add information that you remember someone telling you, you have to add a reference source, so readers can know where the new information comes from. Best wishes on your future editing work. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Article rejected, advised to remove advertising content... need help implementing this advice.
I submitted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jim_Derhaag and was advised, "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies."

Does this mean that the overall tone should be adjusted? I was not attempting to do an advertisement so I could use help in directing an edit. I'm new to the Wikipedia tools and unsure of how to get help.

The intent of this article is to objectively document the life of the driver/team owner, not to promote the series or any part of Trans Am. If I adjusted references, such as how hard a racing year was, is that what needs to be updated?

Thank you. Race Car 40 (talk) 23:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * WAY TOO MUCH minutia, and no hyperlinks allowed in body of article (that list of drivers for Derhaag). I cut content. You can cut more. David notMD (talk) 04:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing in that list of drivers confirms that they drove for Derhaag. David notMD (talk) 06:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Notability Standards- Music? Apollo Chamber Players
Howdy folks! I've worked on a music group page, and just really curious to hopefully confirm that it meets Notability Standards. Would super appreciate any help and review! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Apollo_Chamber_Players Thanks so much!! Wayneashleymusic 04:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC) Wayneashleymusic (talk) 04:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Excellent job, it was my pleasure to review this draft. It has been accepted and published. –– FormalDude  talk  06:18, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

hello everyone
There are many difficulties when I try to write an article on Wikipedia for the first time. Do you have any tips for first-time users? Audrb (talk) 05:38, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, ! I would suggest you read all of Help:Your first article. Some choose to try their hand at other tasks first in order to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia before attempting to write an article. –– FormalDude  talk  06:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello @Audrb! First make sure your topic has the sources demanded at WP:GNG. If it doesn't, pick another topic. Go through WP:TUTORIAL and learn how to add inline references, this is essential. If you intend to try to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. And like FormalDude said, WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:25, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Move page
Can I move a page from Stahlrohrlanze to my sandbox page? David mystery books research 🕵️‍♂️ (talk) 04:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @David mystery books research, I don't think you should WP:MOVE it to your sandbox, but you can copypaste (WP:COPYWITHIN) part or all of a WP-article there, if you want to work on it there. Just note in the WP:ES: "Copied from Stahlrohrlanze." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:36, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Accessibility - changing the default displayed font size?
Is there any way for me to change ONLY the FONT size that wikipedia articles are displayed in? On mobile, there is a simple "Tt" button, that lets me alter font size and a few other things. Is there anything similar available for desktop? When I use the "+" function in the browser, it makes all of the elements on the page (side menu, images, etc) bigger while the box displaying the article text gets smaller to make room for the rest.

I have vision problems, so this would make browsing wikipedia MUCH simpler for me. Thank you!

In short:

How can I make the font (and nothing else) larger? AliceF (talk) 11:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi AliceF, welcome to the Teahouse. You can add the below or another size to . PrimeHunter (talk) 12:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Many web browsers have an option "Zoom text only"; on Firefox you can find this in View -> Zoom. Check this before trying to zoom in. MKFI (talk) 06:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

resubmit declined article
Hi everybody, I tried to write my first article on the english wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:European_Federation_of_Management_Consultancies_Associations_(Feaco)#Past_Presidents I have received feedback that I have not quoted enough sources and have added additional sources (mostly online). The problem is that there are no book sources on Feaco. However, there is a Wikipedia page in the German Wikipedia that has been released: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feaco. Why is this released in German Wikipedia but not in the English one? As a European organisation, this should be possible.

Thank you for your help. Akbn24 (talk) 09:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that the German Wikipedia and the English Wikipedia have different standards, editors, and policies.  This means that what is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another version. For example, the German Wikipedia permits and even encourages business-owned accounts for editing, while that is not allowed on the English Wikipedia.  In regards to your draft, it is likely to be declined, as it just tells about the company and what it does.  Here, articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with signficant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. We are not interested in what a company says about itself(such as its "mission") or what it considers to be its own history, only in what others completely unconnected with the company choose to say about it. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

A contribution in Talk, which is worth moving to main pages.
Hi,

I have made some contribution in talk on RUMI, I tried to do it in the main page. Understandably the main pages are locked, this will help preserve the content.

Here are my contributions, please promote to main page if they are going to be helpful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&oldid=1051512484

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rumi&oldid=1051382148 MehdiAf110 (talk) 09:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the English language Wikipedia, but the text which you posted to the article talk page was not in English. Perhaps you were looking for the Persian Wikipedia?  --David Biddulph (talk) 10:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * In the Persian Wikipedia you'll find the Rumi article at fa:مولوی. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

&#123;&#123;glossary&#125;&#125; doesn't seem to like complex language templates?
Apologies if this is the wrong noticeboard for this - I'm not too technically minded.

I've been trying to add the glossary template to the article Irezumi for maybe the past half hour, and have only just remembered an issue I ran into it last time - it doesn't like language templates.

Now, last time, this was fine - I wrapped transl around the terms in question, no problem. However, this is more of an issue seemingly for more complex templates like nihongo.

Here's an example of what throws it for a loop:

Bokukei, bokkei (墨刑): punishment by tattooing.

Having quickly checked, it seems to format properly if I change that to the following:

Bokukei, bokkei: (墨刑) punishment by tattooing.

But something about that seems wrong somehow. I wouldn't know exactly what, but it doesn't seem right to interrupt a language template with a term template, when you're including the transliteration as the term; for users with screenreaders, I don't honestly know how it would format. I'd assume wrongly.

I haven't tried this with other templates like zh, but I can't imagine they'd play nicely either. I don't want to implement edits that fine but have broken accessibility, because that kind of defeats the point of a language template in the first place. Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 10:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Ineffablebookkeeper. Your issue appears to be with term and not glossary. As the documentation says, the first parameter of term cannot have wiki markup. The parameter is used to produce an  for linking like . This requires pure text.   produces:

bokukei, bokkei:
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Unknown parameter |DUPLICATE-url
Hello, anybody out here being able to give advise on on how to get rid of the Category:CS1 errors: unsupported parameter on the articles? See or example Behzinga? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 11:44, 25 October 2021 (UTC) Lotje (talk) 11:44, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You should be able to edit the relevant section with the reference and remove the "|DUPLICATE-archive-url=" and "DUPLICATE-archive-date=" portions, which aren't supported in the template. Preview the result before publish/saving it to check it is correct after you've done the change. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you ever so much. Lotje (talk) 12:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Cover Images for songs
Hi im wondering if I can use a cover image from spotify for a song under a fair use license maybe. Am I allowed to do that cause I see songs like Sunday Best have a cover image in their infobox. Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please read the policy language at WP:NFCI #1, and follow every step of the policy carefully. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I read it and went to post the cover of it I found on Spotify to wiki commons, but their was no licence thing talking about fair-use. So how do I upload it to wiki commons? Kaleeb18 (talk) 02:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Non-free content is not allowed on Commons. You need to upload it to Wikipedia, with the detailed justification as laid down in the link provided.  --David Biddulph (talk) 03:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh gotcha Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Footnote
Hello, I would like to add a footnote to an article pointing out how date of birth is disputed and am not sure how. I looked at the wikipedia footnotes page but it was very confusing. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 13:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Gandalf the Groovy Welcome to TeaHouse! You can create a section where the footnotes are stored and add a Template:Reflist. See Police_unions_in_the_United_States for a live example ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah (he/him • talk) Thank you! Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 14:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Untitled
41.114.197.198 (talk) 13:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user! Did you have a question about Wikipedia?  GoingBatty (talk) 14:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Article Improvement - Tone/Primary Sources
Hi,

I'd appreciate some more in depth/detailed help with how I can improve this article for submission. It was already declined so I'd like to ensure this doesn't happen again. It would be great to talk through this with someone as I'm new to Wikipedia and not entirely sure of how the editing process works.

Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rajiv_S._Joshi Bridgingv (talk) 12:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Thank you for declaring your COI on your user page.  However, your username does not meet our username policy - see WP:CORPNAME.  I tagged several pieces of information in your draft that are unreferenced.  Either add reliable sources or remove the information.  Thanks, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've removed some promotional language, some unnecessary verbiage, and some unreferenced claims. I won't be surprised if others can do more. Maproom (talk) 15:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Virat Kohli article
Hiii, I want attention of some of frequent and experienced editors on Virat Kohli. This article is largely written by Indian editors, Eng is not their 1st language. I want you to look it do CE and remove extra content from lead section and career section. This article is too big to navigate and doesn't have proper sub sections, points headings and paragraphs. Do some editing on that. Newton Euro (talk) 12:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * At a glance it seems big enough that forking is not a bad idea but I don't see any problem with headings/paragraphs etc--they're properly ordered and manageable in size, there's just a lot of them. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 12:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! You're welcome to make specific suggestions on the article's talk page: Talk:Virat Kohli.  You could also submit a request with the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 14:42, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * More specifically, please do so over at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Subpage link not appearing
On subpages, for example WP:ANI, the link to the parent page does not appear. It does not seem to be the result of any templates on the page that suppress the link.  dud  hhr  Contribs 15:05, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It appears for me. WP:ANI is a redirect to Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents from where there is a link at the top to the parent page.--Shantavira|feed me 15:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Edição de imagens na Wikipedia
Quais os processos a seguir para editar imagens na Wikipedia? CCAzevedo (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. This is the English language encyclopedia.  Please post your question in English.  If you need help with the Spanish Wikipedia, the help desk is at es:Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual RudolfRed (talk) 15:00, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * this is actually Portuguese, the Portuguese teahouse is at pt:Wikipédia:Café dos novatos.  dud  hhr  Contribs 15:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're looking for information about the English Wikipedia, see Image use policy.  Other language Wikipedias and Wikimedia Commons will have their own policies.  If you have a more specific question, we can help provide you with a more specific answer.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Creating an Article for La Gritona Tequila
A friend recently introduced me to La Gritona Tequila, and I believe it merits an article in Wikipedia, similar to articles on other brands of tequila, and, furthermore, I believe it also merits an entry in Wikipedia's List of Tequilas.

One interesting and relevant point is that this excellent tequila is made by a woman-owned company, which, in and of itself, is unusual. For details, please see: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/business/tequila-mexico-women.html. I would be glad to do this, but I lack editing experience, and surely would make a big mess of it and waste a lot of time, my own and others' who would be involved in fixing my inevitable blunders.

I have no personal interest in this product (La Gritona), financial or otherwise, nor do I know anyone who does. But if other tequilas merit pages in Wikipedia, then I believe this one does, too. Here's a link to the website for La Gritona: https://lagritona.com/.

Thank you! JCNSmith (talk) 15:39, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! After reading your post and WP:NPRODUCT, I wonder if it would be better for someone to create an article for the company instead of the product.  Either way, an editor would need multiple independent reliable sources to demonstrate that the company/product met Wikipedia's notability criteria.  You could post your request at WP:Requested articles, but there's no guarantee that anyone would ever create such an article.  GoingBatty (talk) 16:05, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Magazine Cover
Hello. I would like to add a new magazine cover to White Dwarf (magazine). Ideally, there would be a more recent cover in the infobox and an older cover in the history section in order to show the extensive formatting changes the magazine has gone through. I have only ever made minor copy edits, so I was unsure if this would be allowed under Wikipedia's image copyright guidelines. KBEditing (talk) 00:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The White Dwarf article already has one non-free image, and the limit is one per article. You can move the current image to the infobox if you want, but you cannot use two just because one is "new" and one is "old". You can use as many freely licensed images as are appropriate. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  01:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Could I replace the 'old' cover with a newer one? Also, magazine articles such as Rolling Stone have multiple covers. Are some magazine covers freely licensed and others not? I appreciate your help. KBEditing (talk) 02:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A) Yes, you certainly could. B) The default assumption is that a magazine cover is not freely licensed. Image #2 on the Rolling Stone page is up for deletion only text in a plain typeface, and only a very few words, so there's a solid argument to be made that it's not subject to copyright; image #3 has a separate justification (it's been referred to as the "greatest Rolling Stone cover ever"). DS (talk) 16:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Publishing an article
How do you publish a wiki article? GurrenLagann100 (talk) 17:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review(Draft:Flame & Moon).  This information is provided for you if you use Articles for Creation to create a draft.  I would note that if you were to submit your draft now, it would be declined quickly, as it has no independent reliable sources to support its content.  A Wikipedia article is not a way to merely tell about something.  It should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability.  Please see Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 17:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

An editor is constantly reverting my edit
Hi. I’m relatively new to Wikipedia, still learning how to edit. I’ve been regular updating the plot of a show I watch but for the past month, there is this one editor - Jellysandwich01 that seems experienced and is trying her best to try to revert single one my edits. First she stated I wasn’t following the rules, which I corrected. Then she kept on attacking me saying I use substandard English. I have raised this topic in her discussion page but she never responds, I even brought it up in the talk page of the article but no one responded. Then she dropped me a rather rude message on my talk page saying that I was trying to break rules again. She managed to get the article protected. I have been polite in all my interactions, have even said we can co operate but I never get a reply from her. The problem is I don’t know how to exactly register a complaint or bring the issue under an administrator’s notice because I’m still new and figuring out Wikipedia but I am highly frustrated and feel demotivated. It almost feels like her actions are because of ego issues now, checking her history she seems to do this a lot. Everyone’s edits takes time and efforts, if anyone has any above how to peacefully resolve this, please help. GrottoVilla (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you feel you have not been treated nicely. It does appear (to me) that the issue has to do with the long length of your plot descriptions, whether in plot section or the episode list, and it appears more than one editor has pointed this out. There are avenues for dispute resolution, if necessary, but I suggest you rather focus on the objections to the content you're trying to add, try to ignore the editor's behavior, and consider if the sections would be better for the reader if they were more concise. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at Yeh Hai Chahatein today and made some minor tweaks. In the list of episodes, are the paragraphs starting with "Preesha’s childhood friend Yuvraj..." and "To stop the child care department..." part of Episodes 1-141? Also, is the correct spelling "Saraansh" or "Saransh" or "Saaransh"? (The article should be consistent.) Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for responding. Yes I have no issues with focusing on bettering the content at all! Willing to work and cooperate but the editor just keeps reverting it. The list of episodes can be edited further, but I don’t understand why she just deletes the entire section. She’s the only editor whose been doing this. I don’t mind having a discussion how to make it better, but she’s just been rude about it and not willing to listen. Instead I don’t understand why I am getting warnings when she’s basically doing the same. I’ll make it more concise but hopefully it’s not reverted yet again. Thanks for the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrottoVilla (talk • contribs)

Suggestions for resubmitted article
Dear all, I have just resubmitted for review an article about a Swiss designer, called Demian Conrad. Recently, following Eternal Shadow's suggestions, I tried to improve the text and tone of the article. It is my first contribution and I hope to do a good job, so I would like to ask your advice on how I could further improve the biography and whether the tone is now appropriate. Thanks for your help!EnḫeduannaS (talk) 19:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! I fixed the punctuation (belongs before the reference, not after), italics, and spacing in the first half of your draft.  Hopefully you can review my edits and replicate it on the second half of your draft.  I also suggest you pick a consistent citation style for all your references.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

How to not get my contributions deleted?
how do I get my contributions confirmed and not deleted ? Akram O. A. (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Your edits to this list must be notable. Many of your Wikilinks are redlinks or linked to erroneous pages. And you cannot use language like this on Wikipedia: "...has an incredible number of views on social medias (more than 6 billion video views 2020)" as that is non-neutral puffery. Hope that helps Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Can partial RfC consensus be reviewed immediately?
I posted a Request for Comment at Talk:CRA International on Oct. 14, 2021, asking whether a paragraph added to the lead was WP:Undue, WP: Impartial and followed WP:Balance. Eight editors have now weighed in and except for the editor who posted the paragraph, everyone agrees the current paragraph violates Wikipedia policy and needs to be removed or rewritten. I work as an employee of CRA, which I disclosed on the Talk page. Another editor has already pointed out that the RfC response of the editor who posted this paragraph feels like WP: Advocacy and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS.

With such overwhelming consensus that this paragraph as constituted now is improper, it seems unjustified that it should remain in the lead for perhaps several weeks more while the RFC continues until final status. Even a few weeks of unmerited negative material (written in the voice of Wikipedia) encourages more WP: Advocacy and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. I would like to know whether there is an interim solution for removing the offending paragraph while the discussion on the finer points continues in the RfC? Thank you. Basslonick1220 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC) Basslonick1220 (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the options here are: 1. Let it go for a few more days (it's only been just over a week), 2. make the edit yourself (or wait for someone else, like anyone reading this, or anyone else involved in the RfC) with the justification that it's a clear consensus and make the change with no need to close the discussion, or 3. make a request for closure and wait for an uninvolved editor to close. I don't think a closure from you or anyone else is needed here, as there's a pretty clear consensus on the RfC, as you said. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Disputes?
Hi I am new to editing, and I added a section to an article (the star wars prequels) and I am unsure if I have stumbled into a dispute or not. I checked with LIbera.chat #wikipedia-en-help. But I am still unsure. Could I get some help in this regard? thank you. Nerdykat65 (talk) 20:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I added a note to the talk page about what I hope others can help me with going forward. I hope this also allows a space for discussion relating to the possible dispute. --Nerdykat65 (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Your well-referenced content has been reverted, you reverted that, your content reverted again. You have properly started a discussion on the Talk page of the article. The debate about characters designed to speak and to some degree look like existing human racial and cultural groups is in my opinion valid. David notMD (talk) 21:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I hope to add to it more in the future! This is for a class currently! Thank you for your insight.--Nerdykat65 (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I invited User:Toa Nidhiki05 to the Talk page discussion, as being the (extremely experienced) editor who reverted your addition. David notMD (talk) 21:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I didn't mean to automatically add it back when I moved the section, I just meant to move the section, I did not know it had been deleted again.--Nerdykat65 (talk) 21:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Account29 has reverted several of my changes on List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll
Account29 claims my version of the edition is unstable, and that my edits to the page make it appear unstable. Account 29 also claims that my edits do not contribute no information to the page.

I would claim: A - the sums of death tolls are useful, and are how the death tolls for Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were derived even though information about their death tolls is already on the page. I produced the following new rows to the table, detailing each of their death tolls: - Syngman Rhee (reverted) - Massacre of poles in Volhynia and eastern Galicia (Not reverted) - Vladimir Lenin (reverted) - Hong Xiuquan (reverted) - Editing Mao's death toll based on hawaii.edu's description of death tolls, and the endurance of the laogoi system. - Adding up all the communist leader's death tolls and making a new row for them. There are other sets of titles which read "various leaders" on the page, including the Young Turks, and the leaders of communist Hungary.

- QRbot believed Account 29's actions were vandalism.

To be clear I wanted to make different death tolls on different parts of Wikipedia consistent with each other.

Is this true? I was not aware he was reverting my edits until just now. Account29 told me to come here. I would like my well cited contributions to stay up. Is there another problem?

Here is the old edit's URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll&oldid=1051849188

Hong kuslauski (talk) 23:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC) Hong kuslauski (talk) 23:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I said it was OR you put from  1917 or 1850 to 2021 communist leaders killed x amount of people. Even are page does not says that from 1850?Account29 (talk) 23:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I am tagging Davide King as it looks like he knows about the history of Mass killings under communist regimes maybe he can help with this.Account29 (talk) 23:36, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have also reverted on a different page.  In addition to the appearance of pushing an ideological agenda, the edits have glaring style and textual problems.  I strongly encourage Hong to avoid edit-warring and to listen to advice from the regulars here. User:力 (power~enwiki,  π,  ν ) 23:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Alternatively, Account29 could have told me specifically what was wrong with the 1850 to 1917 post at the time. Once more, there is a case to be made that Hong Xiquan was a proto-communist. No one up until this point has directed me to modify my contributions but has instead overridden them without detailing the reasons beyond completely subjective statements: "This does not help the lede" what is this supposed to mean? I cannot conclude anything except 力's opinion on the matter. Please detail more specifically said textual problems, otherwise I cannot avoid them.

Once more, the promotion of ideological agenda? I have added a variety of conservative massacres to the list of anthropogenic disasters by death toll, including Rhee Syngman & The massacre of Poles in Volhynia, both perpetrated by anti-communists. Why were these contributions not reverted but others were?

In order to "listen to advice from the regulars" I could be given advice to rectify this, What textual problems? Care to list a few? I would love the constructive criticism as opposed to the abrupt shut down . 力, is not made of time though as his page denotes, and people cannot be expected to both moderate and advise me on all issues when I am out of line. Which apparently I often am.

Do we have any rules on obituaries?
Hi everyone, I was looking at Richard Edmonds and clicked on the "Obituary" link at the bottom, expecting to be taken to a mainstream site such as The Guardian or similar, only to find it's a gushing tribute on a far right site here. Is this appropriate? Do we have any rules on obituary links?

Many thanks. GreebleNeeble (talk) 17:25, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * WP:RS and WP:BLP apply. Mjroots (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not very helpful. The link is not being used as a source for the article, it's simply a link. As the subject is dead, I don't see how BLP applies either. Can anyone tell me if there are requirements for obituary links please? GreebleNeeble (talk) 17:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @GreebleNeeble, hello! In this particular case, the guidance is at WP:EL. Per that guidance, it should be deleted yesterday. Ick. If this had been an obit in say The Guardian, it would have been ok. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , we don't have any rules on obituaries per se. The link was an external link and so the controlling guidelineis at External links. Basically, rather than referencing actual article material, external links are like "Hey, if you want further enrichment on this general subject, here's some links, take them for what they're worth, we don't guarantee the veracity neutrality or value of the material there". That said, there's a limit. We're not going to link to anything named "Heritage and Destiny - Faith, Folk, Family" because it's safe to assume that's going to have racist lies and nonsense and there's no value to the reader to read that. That's right out, and the link's been removed. You would have been welcome to do it yourself, simply on the general grounds of "No. Just... no." Herostratus (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you everyone. I have looked around to see if I could replace the link with a neutral obituary, but the only ones are from that far right site or from sites intrinsically opposed to the far right, neither of which seems appropriate due to the huge biases they have. No link at all seems the way to go. GreebleNeeble (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Subject was a member of the National Front and British National Party, two far-right organisations. The possibility of an obituary which isn't heavily influenced by this either way is slim. I'd suggest avoiding one altogether to be honest, and merely sticking to what facts of life can be sourced outside of one. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Pantaleón Julian Valdés page
How do I edit the name / title of this page that is currently on my Sandbox? I named the page Dr. Pantaleón Julian Valdés and need to change the title to read Pantaleón Julian Valdés Ilieva (talk) 01:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I moved your draft to Draft:Pantaleón Julian Valdés for you.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

My page
is their anybody to help me design my page? Soni MajorZ (talk) 02:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Soni MajorZ: Welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to misunderstand what Wikipedia is for: it is not a place to promote yourself. You may be looking for social media platforms like Instagram or Facebook. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Duplicate/spoof username checker
Just for trivial and entertainment purposes, is there a duplicate/spoof username checker available outside of the account creation process (like in the API)? Or is it just available only there? 180.251.148.169 (talk) 01:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'm not aware of anything like that, but it sounds like it'd be useful. You could try proposing it at WP:VPT. Many editors create unused accounts at usernames similar to their own to ensure that they cannot be used for impersonation. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 02:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You can technically use https://xtools.wmflabs.org/globalcontribs. If you search a username and it has no contributions found, then it is available. –– FormalDude  talk  02:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You can use https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=users&usprop=cancreate&format=json&formatversion=2&errorformat=wikitext&ususers=username . This one also correctly reports whether a username is blocked by the AntiSpoof Extension. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

getting my submission approved
hello - im having trouble getting a basic submission approved. any help is greatly appreciated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jessica_(musician) BriggsmeetBriggs (talk) 03:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I made some edits to Draft:Jessica (musician) to remove misplaced duplicate references and match references with the related statements.  After doing so, I only see one reliable source about Jessica's solo career - the Rolling Stone review.  Which of the 12 criteria at WP:MUSICBIO does Jessica meet?  I see you uploaded the photo of her recording her second album as your own work.  What is your relationship with Jessica?  If you know her, work for her, are her, or have any other conflict of interest, you must declare it on your user page.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft review for the article Ahsan Khan Chowdhury
Dear admins, the article draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ahsan_Khan_Chowdhury have enough references with newspaper publishing. Requesting to have a look, is anyone can help to approve this pls. ITCaravan (talk) 09:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , which three of the sources cited, in your opinion, do most to establish that Chowdhury is notable?  Maproom (talk) 11:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * , In my opinion, the below sources can be considered for the notability of Chowdhury-
 * https://www.daily-sun.com/post/188563/Ahsan-Khan-Chowdhury-new-Chairman--CEO-of-PRANRFL
 * https://www.thedailystar.net/business/ahsan-made-chairman-ceo-pran-rfl-1323757
 * https://www.thedailystar.net/business/news/how-ceos-steering-business-thru-pandemic-2089653

--ITCaravan (talk) 06:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, none of them actually shows notability. The first two are based on the same press release – they contain the exact same information, only phrased slightly differently; the Daily Sun includes the phrase "said a press release on Thursday", and The Daily Star says "according to a statement [...] according to the statement." That a press release is published by multiple newspapers is not very strange, but Wikipedia does not treat such sources as separate, and it is a self-published source.  The third source, also from The Daily Star, is an interview with no comments or analyses by the newspaper. That makes it a primary source. --bonadea contributions talk 06:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Added: I looked through the other sources in this (current) version of the draft, and the same press release that was published by Daily Sun (source 4) and The Daily Star (source 11) is also source 1, 2 and 5. --bonadea contributions talk 07:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Support for Article content and reference review
I am not very technically qualified, I need support for reviewing the content of the article and reference links. I need to identify where I am going wrong and how I can rectify it and have the page published. Sumati15473 (talk) 06:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Sumati15473, first, when you talk of "[having] the page published", you seem to be talking about a draft. Which draft? Secondly, in what appears to be your most recent edit to an article, you write . This produces an ugly result, and the title of that page is not "Fernando Morales Coach"; it's "Fernando Morales". A simple reference to the page would be -- Hoary (talk) 09:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Help
Move Talk:Mako Mako Komuro of Akishino to Talk:Mako Komuro. (a typo)

Delete Mako Kuroda and Talk:Mako Kuroda. (incorrect title)

Move Mako Komuro of Akishino to Mako Komuro. (correct title)

Please. <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"> Peter Ormond &#128172;  09:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Peter Ormond: This might be better received over at WP:RM as users that frequent that page have page mover rights. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Shivaguevara (talk) 11:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * hi and welcome to the teahouse! do you have a question regarding wikipedia?  melecie   t  12:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Muhammad Aslam Butt
Hello I am a new Wikipedia user, and recently I have created an article of the person which got comments as not enough information to support. I am looking for the experienced users who can help me out in fixing some issues which I was having while writing. I have given references to support the article. There are news online regarding the article which i couldn't understand how to use them. Secondly, how to reference the commemorative plaques of someone. Are these consider a reliable source. As IAM a new user and still learning, any help would be much appreciated. Mohdsaad212 (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Mohdsaad212, you're asking about User:Mohdsaad212/sandbox. This currently has one reference. This reference is presented to back up the assertion "He was elected as the first mayor". That's all. He was elected when, and as the first mayor of where? It appears that these rather important facts are unreferenced. And nothing else in the draft is referenced, either. Worse, the source may look at first glance like an obituary, but a second look suggests that it's more akin to a paid-for death notice. By far the best way to get used to referencing is to put your draft on hold for a few weeks while you make minor edits to existing articles, paying particular attention to the referencing. Incidentally, note that sources don't have to be in English; while English is preferred, sources may be in Urdu, Punjabi, etc. (Whatever the language, the sources have to be reliable, however.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

User talk page
Is repeatedly blanking your own talk page each time you get a warning punishable? The Tips of Apmh (talk) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Not on its own, no, but if the behaviour that merited the warnings continues afterwards then it's a good indicator that someone is not looking to collaborate and listen. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 15:47, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * also note that the act of removing the warning is taken as acknowledgement it's been seen. The "oops I had no idea I even had a talk-page" excuse doesn't work if the page has been blanked! Elemimele (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Blanked Talk page content can still be found by any editor who looks at that person's Contributions. David notMD (talk) 23:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think RedWarn has a feature that checks talk pages for previous warnings (under advanced when reverting). &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  13:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding an image or company logo
Hi all,

I am creating a little article on this company that I came across called Underwood Ammo, I think I added enough to have it go live and I published it as my first "article" or stub, though I intend to keep working on it. The next thing that I would like to add is the company logo, but this brings me to a question that I have on logo's on companies both big and small generally. Do I need to try and reach out to someone at the company, or can I take a screenshot of their logo and upload it? We are not using their logo here for any commercial interests of our own on wikipedia or in any way that I feel would conflict with their interests, but I am no lawyer, and certainly no expert on copyright law etc. I know that we are pretty strict on copyrights here on the wiki, and I've had pictures that I've even taken with my own phone removed before, so I figured I should just as the good 'ole Teahouse and see if you all could help me with something like this, and then I'll know what to do for the future. Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 02:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For information on logos, see Logos. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Th78blue In short and in general, you can add a logo. Screenshot is fine. Go to WP:FUW, chose "Upload a non-free file" > "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." > "This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc." and follow instructions. Size will be made "legal" automatically by a bot. However you must wait to do this until the article is in mainspace. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * So what about when you are uploading a picture in the wikimarkup space and then before you can add it, there is something that says "I own this picture" or something to that effect? You can't proceed without clicking it. Also, where would I include the "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." text? Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 19:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you choose the wrong option from WP:FUW? You need "Upload a non-free file", not "Upload your own or a freely licenced file".  --David Biddulph (talk) 20:40, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm.. maybe that is part of the issue. I don't see that option when I go upload a picture. I use the older wikimarkup style when doing all of my editing, and I just click the "Images and Media" button (located to the right of "Link" for hyperlinks, and "Reference" (for adding ). Where should I click/go to just add screenshots and such for learning purposes? I don't think I should have to add a screenshot each and every time I have a question and would like to provide visual evidence for my own learning sake? Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 13:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you see my question?

Fair-use Image

 * Hi, for the article Space 220 Restaurant Im wondering if [] image is under the fair-use that says is the object of discussion in an article.

This is a copyrighted artwork or photograph, and the image itself is the topic of discussion in the article. The discussion is about the photograph or painting as such, as a creative work, not just about the thing or person it shows. Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I do not see any discussion of that photo in the article, and policy language at WP:NFCI says that Clearly, a Wikipedia editor could have a meal at this restaurant, take photos, and freely license them. Therefore, that photo cannot be used since it is copyrighted by Disney. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  16:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you

I added sources but page does not show
I added numerous sources to the page I edited. The page is not visible in a google search. Martin Glintze (talk) 15:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Assuming you mean the article Bryce Aron, this was created directly in Main Space on 12 October without going through the WP:AfC process. Hence it won't be available for indexing by search engines until reviewed by the New Pages Patrol, or 90 days have elapsed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The page had appeared in a google search prior to my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Glintze (talk • contribs) 16:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

girl help read my page
PLEASE. i need you to desperately understand Chobitslover69 (talk) 15:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Chobitslover69: Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia in particular? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

help for page
I am trying to add:

"I need help" redirects here. For help on Wikipedia, see Help:Contents or Wikipedia:Questions.

to Distress signal, but:

comes out as:

How do I do this? The Tips of Apmh (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think that we have a template that use "or" in the way you describe I'd use something like, which would give you  Vexations (talk) 16:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I think you could use to get and not bother with the alternative possibility. The existing redirect on Distress signal isn't terribly useful as it suggests an alternative article that doesn't exist. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll use this one and remove the existing redirect because the page has been deleted 4 times. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @The Tips of Apmh Hatnote could be used: &#8213;  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This one is what i'm looking for, thanks. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I am having trouble trying to get a change made.
I am having trouble trying to get a change made.

RPGA 989 should redirect to a disambiguation page that in turn has links to Socket G2 and Socket G1.

As un unregistered editor I can't create it, so I followed the instructions that I got when I tried to edit RPGA 989. ("The page "RPGA 989" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created...")

Here is where I did that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:RPGA_989

OK, so a nice person told me on that page that it wasn't the right place, so I followed the new instructions they gave me.

Here is where I did that: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Redirects_and_categories#Redirect_request:_RPGA_989

It turns out that this isn't the right place to ask either. This time there were no instructions for an IP editor to follow, just a page about the rules for creating a disambiguation page that I am not allowed to create anyhow.

I give up. All I wanted to do was to make Wikipedia better, not be given the runaround and told to go to more places and jump through more hoops.

It kind of feels like Wikipedia doesn't want any suggestions from IPs when they suggest a change that they can't make themselves. I just wanted to make Wikipedia a little bit better by making the link to RPGA 989 go to the correct page(s). I don't want to go to Wikipedia College and get a masters degree in Wikipedia editing just to suggest something that could probably be done in two minutes by someone who already knows how. 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:2507:52B6:D594:2D17 (talk) 10:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry that you have had difficulty. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can, and work in the areas that they want to work in.  This sometimes means that the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. The first advice you got was correct in that Draft space is for creating drafts, not requesting redirects. I'm not certain of the proper place to actually request what you want to do so I won't send you somewhere else(maybe others know) but I will say that the best way to see an edit made is to do it yourself.  Creating an account and doing it yourself would mean that it would get done. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at doing this for you. I fell at the hurdle of not having enough information to achieve it in the way I think you want. I am happy to do this for you if you come to my talk page (linked in my signature) and give me blow by blow instructions
 * I need to know what the content of the disambiguation page ought to be, and, really, why it is required. The topic area is unfamiliar to me.
 * "RPGA 989 may refer to Socket G1 (also known as RPGA 989) or to Socket G2 (also known as RPGA 988A)". That's all the disambiguation page needs. The redirect you can copy from RPGA 988A with a different target. --2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:4813:DCA6:DCA9:6BF4 (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Or you could register for an account? Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 11:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you willing to change the page that IPs see to say "you can't do that without registering and we don't allow you to request that somebody else do it" rather than having it imply that an IP is allowed to request a change? 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:4813:DCA6:DCA9:6BF4 (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There are already redirect pages for RPGA 988A and RPGA 988B, both created in 2018 and linking to the respective article about the Intel sockets. I don't think that a further disambiguation page for RGPA 988 is needed, since anyone searching for that will find these two alternatives offered in the search box. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You appear to have confused RPGA 988 with RPGA 989. Most people will realize that a 988A is a kind of 988. Most people will not realize that a 989 accepts 988 CPUs.
 * RPGA 988 is a 988-hole socket with has two variants, A and B. RPGA 989 is a 989-hole socket that accepts 988-pin CPUs designed for either variant of RPGA 988 but also works with 989-pin CPUs designed for use in RPGA 989 only. You can put a 988-pin CPU in a 989-hole socket with one of the holes not filled. A 989-pin CPU won't go in a 988-hole socket because the extra pin has no hole to go into. It just hits plastic and stops you from inserting the CPU. 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:4813:DCA6:DCA9:6BF4 (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The IP's post on AFCRC was Please create a redirect called RPGA 989 (like the one at RPGA 988B) to Socket G2 or Socket G1 (or maybe a disambiguation page? The RPGA 989 is compatible with both). From Socket G2: "rPGA 989 (as shown on the left) is a socket that can take Socket Socket G1 (rPGA988A) or Socket socket G2 (rPGA988B) processors."From Socket G1: "there are Socket G/rPGA 989 sockets that can take Socket G1/rPGA 988A or Socket G2/rPGA 988B packaged processors[citation needed]"BTW, here is a citation for the above citation needed: https://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Socket%20G2%20(rPGA988B).html (it is in the "Compatible sockets" section of that page. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  13:26, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Qwerfjkl @Michael D. Turnbull Thank you both. I saw the AFCRC request, but admit I failed to understand it sufficiently to create an article. I'm leaning towards not required, but have no strong feelings Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 13:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * RPGA 989 is a very common CPU socket for laptops. Wikipedia already has two pages that cover it, but no redirect from RPGA 989. Given how popular it is a redirect should be created. 2600:1700:D0A0:21B0:4813:DCA6:DCA9:6BF4 (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, IP editor. Apologies that I did confuse RPGA 988 and RPGA 989. I've now created the redirect from RPGA 989 to Socket G1. You should now be able to edit that page to make it more explanatory (as a disambiguation page) if you think this is needed. Please also add your useful sources to the relevant articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

To know the quality of the article worthy of publish
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Intellihot#References I want to know, I'm practicing my skills on this draft page. I want to know is it worthy of publish? and how to improve it. Thanks Le.Wiki.Man04 (talk) 16:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Intellihot has been nominated for Speedy deletion. You can contest that, but ASAP, copy your content and refs to a place outside Wikipedia, because if the SD is acted on, there will not be any record of its (brief) existence in Wikipedia. Having a draft trashed feels unfair - as you had not yet submitted it - but it happens. David notMD (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Important Question
Why doesn't Wikipedia have a Suggestion Article? As in, where you can submit suggestions and such, to help improve the overall quality of the website. Almost 20 years of Wikipedia, but not this. Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Pikiwedia98461: They do exist; they're called talk pages, which are always paired with a page, If you have a suggestion to make for a page, you can go to its talk page and make them there. For larger suggestions, you'd have to go to the village pump (proposals). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 17:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Let’s Go Brandon (Loza Alexander song)
Hi, I would like someone to check out the new article I made Let's Go Brandon (Loza Alexander song) to make sure I did everything right. I think I improved a lot since making the Space 220 article Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , the title isn't right. There's no need for disambiguation, Wikipedia has no other article titled "Let's Go Brandon". If the article should exist at all (I have no view on that), it should be titled "Let's Go Brandon". Maproom (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Looks okay to me. Lightbluerain ❄ (Talk | contribs)  17:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I titled it that way cause there are also two other versions of the song that are popular that I was thinking about making and I saw somebody had a draft for the let’s go Brandon chants/memes I’m pretty sure. Kaleeb18 (talk) 18:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Correction
1.How to correct my birth month in wikepedia? It’s November11,1980 not March11,1980 2.Retirement end of January2020 Postman95 (talk) 15:20, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume this is with regards to Yancy de Ocampo.  I've removed the birthdate from the article as it doesn't seem to be sourced. Unfortunately we cannot just take your word for your birthdate- it must be found in an independent reliable source.  Is your correct date published somewhere? 331dot (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are Yancy de Ocampo, you should not be editing the article about yourself due to your conflict of interest. You may declare your COI on your user page and post suggestions on the article talk page Talk:Yancy de Ocampo with the edit request template.  Or you could use the Edit Request Wizard.  Other options are listed at Contact us/Article subjects.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Why did he remove this
In the article Let's Go Brandon (song) why in the world did David Gerard get rid of almost everything. I was going to undo his edits, but I thought I would seek an answer from experienced Wikipedia editors first. And he did it just because of the source I can find another source easily there are a lot of websites that talk about the song. Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The edit summary says there is a problem with the source uses. You should discuss it at Talk:Let%27s_Go_Brandon_(song).  RudolfRed (talk) 19:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Colors
Hello how do I add color to a signature with source? Footloops8 (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Footloops8 (talk) 15:25, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Does Signatures help you? Vexations (talk) 16:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes thank youFootloops8 (talk) 20:00, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

waiting for review
I am waiting for a submitted article to be reviewed. Can I expect to receive an email when it is or do I need to check from time to time?Roryjohnston (talk) 19:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Roryjohnston (talk) 19:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! You will receive a notification on your user talk page when the draft is reviewed.  GoingBatty (talk) 20:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Coordinate problem
Hi, I just created a article, my first one, but I don't know how to find out the coordinates. I found the coordinates, but it is very confusing. Can someone help with this?

(If someone knows how to do it, link to article: Woodbridge, Indiana. Severestorm28 (talk) 21:27, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There are two types of coordinates: one using degrees, minutes and seconds, and the other using just degrees with the minutes and seconds in decimal form. The one you copied (the coordinates for Dolan, IN) uses the former, but Coord will take either of these formats. For example, if you were trying to put in 39°13'28"N 86°28'25"W, you would input .  ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've nominated the article for speedy deletion. Perhaps you just copypasted the article Dolan, Indiana, and changed the name, intending to fill in accurate information about Woodbridge later; but there's no GNIS entry for a Woodbridge in Indiana, and giving the GNIS feature number, coordinates, and other info for Dolan in the article makes it indistinguishable from a hoax. If you can write a properly sourced article for this supposed Woodbridge, I recommend that you do so as a draft and submit it for approval via WP:AFC. Deor (talk) 19:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I see what I have done wrong. You are correct, because I copied and pasted it. I am deeply sorry for my actions. Perhaps we delete or not? --Severestorm28 (talk) 20:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Article Notification - General Notability Guideline
I guess I'm just confused then...I understand the reasoning behind the "notability criteria," but how can a drafted rookie fit the criteria, if they themselves have yet to play in a game? For example, Kelvin Joseph has a page, but he has yet to appear in a regular season game. It's odd that the person (player) was notable enough to be listed within the 2020 NFL season opt-outs, but not notable enough to have a page...or at least it was to me. Born of Iron (talk) 03:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * In general, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. WP:NGRIDIRON is for professional athletes, and the Kelvin Joseph article was created while he was still in college.  Does he meet WP:NCOLLATH #3?  GoingBatty (talk) 03:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Kelvin Joseph is considered notable under the General Notability Guideline, with enough significant coverage to warrant an article, even though he has not yet played. Stephen Guidry (American football), the article you created, appears notable under the general criteria as well in my opinion, so I have removed the notability tag. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

To know the quality of the article worthy of publish II
Hi, I recently created an article to create the present, which is available here. This article was deleted in 2019 with a comment, and now I have prepared it with its sources. In your opinion, the authors of this article are not worthy of publication, despite the fact that someone works in a famous group.--Modeling (talk) 16:58, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The fact that the group, Zarbofoot, is subject of an article does not mean that every musician in the group is article-worthy. Note that the article about the group and the articles about two of the members have all been criticized for insufficient referencing. David notMD (talk) 17:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please also understand,, that Wikipedia does not accept or decline an article based on the subject's "Worthiness". The criterion is the subject's "Notability", which in Wikipedia jargon means "how extensively the subject has been written about by people and in sources unconnected to the subject." All articles have to be based on the contents of such sources, so if too little has been written about, say, a band member as an individual rather than about their activity within Band X, there is insufficient material on which an article can be based. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You are right But take a look at the article in my article.I have included the most sources that all Rajab has spoken about and most importantly he has won two prestigious awards in Iran.--Modeling (talk) 18:17, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at the article and check its sources.--Modeling (talk) 18:18, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As you can see in the previous poll, this article has been removed with a soft comment. I used the most resources in writing the article and tried to improve the article as much as possible. Can you tell me the main reason for rejecting the article?Ashshan is a member of a group Zarbofoot This group has a good reputation and its members are like Dariush Salehpur They have an article with much less sources than Reza Tajbakhsh I did not understand exactly the forms of the article.--Modeling (talk) 18:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * He has also performed as an artist in the performances of the TTehran Symphony Orchestra.Source.--Modeling (talk) 19:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * My own opinion is to create the article and leave a second Afd for it.--Modeling (talk) 21:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

UUUUUUHHHHHH....
Hey there, Drew here, I have a very very bad feeling about that due to guy who loves Eurovision so much. I am searching all of the Eurovision contests, last years are getting bored as well. The next contest were held on 2022, in Italy (nowadays Turin is hosted), this article was bored with the same thing for the others, because Michele creating first to prepare the article about that. I am frustrating, and I try to editing that will you words, and grammar was better. The next day, I saw that it reverting the article by that guy. I started to anger, I'll just revert back it better! Another next day, I am shocked that guy undo the changes by me. I have crippling depression... so, what now?

note: wait, I think that guy loves Eurovision, Michele1999 and IvanScrooge98- *gasp* COINCIDENCE???!!!?!?!?!?!?! FRIENDS???!!?!???!?!?!!!?? DrewWill2021 (talk) 13:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , from what you say above, you have been edit-warring somewhere, instead of discussing the issue at the article's talk page as you should. But as you haven't told us what article this is about, it's hard to tell. Maproom (talk) 14:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I am confused too. I didn’t get what’s going on. 〜 イヴァンスクルージ九十八 ［IvanScrooge98］ （ 会話 ） 17:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Not that I can make sense of this, but you have created User:DrewWill2021/sandbox3 which describes the Eurovision Song Contest 2022 as the 67th, to take place in Germany. Meanwhile, Eurovision Song Contest 2022 exists as an article describing the 66th, taking place in Italy. So what is your question? David notMD (talk) 17:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is in my opinion, that the 2019 contest real winner was Netherlands, to me, I predict the winning Czech Republic, then right to host is Prague. Due to pandemic, I decided to prevailed the shows, finally, that Russia was the winner of Eurovision 2020. Sergey Lazarev, one of the Russian most fan-favorite artist ever. Then right to host though is Moscow. Now then, Voxxclub from Germany is the winner of Eurovision 2021, right Frankfurt as the host for 2022. My opinion, but it's my world, my prediction. Oh, I am a fan of Friday Night Funkin' and Eddsworld, I am made some two different movies that I am very excited. Do you agree??? DrewWill2021 (talk) 22:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Dr. Hell - disambiguation? How to go about?
Dr. Hell - disambiguation? How to go about?

Hi all - I am new (well, back after a loong time) to Wikipedia - I am entering some data about a local band and I would like to add the band-members. I have a ton of questions - but first: How do I go about creating an entry? Second, since the band mamber's names are common, they might need disambiguation. How do I go about that? Xumbrega1974 (talk) 17:29, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * First of all, does the band meet WP:NBAND? Mjroots (talk) 17:37, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You are talking about the band Dr Hell, and not the singer for Evil Scarecrow, right? So... it doesn't look like the band is notable enough for an article. See WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. As you might a imagine, we get lots of attempts to make articles for bands. To simplify, WP:NBAND wants to see two albums an a major label or notable indy label, or a national tour of a major country..


 * If they did rate an article, and suppose that your guess is that the band and the anime character are roughly equally notable, within an order of magnitude. So, you would
 * 1) Create your article under the name "Dr. Hell (band)", then
 * 2) Edit the page "Dr. Hell" to, instead of being a redirect to "List of Mazinger characters", instead be a disambiguation page that says like "Dr. Hell can refer to: 1) Dr. Hell (band), 2) Dr. Hell (anime character)" -- look at an existing disambiguation page and copy the format, then
 * 3) Create a new page "Dr. Hell (anime character)" with the content of "#REDIRECT List of Mazinger characters".


 * As to the band members, they're only going to get articles if they're notable by themselves (meet WP:BIO basically). If not, you're not going to have to worry about disambiguation for them. But you'd follow the same basic process. Herostratus (talk) 18:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info - I guess they will have to wait to meet the WP:NBAND criteria. In the meantime, it is a good exercise for me to play in sandbox etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xumbrega1974 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, and welcome aboard! Herostratus (talk) 23:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

why is kataese deleted?
It is just like any other fictional language and you say it is a hoax so other fictional languages are hoaxes? Please correct if I'm wrong fine i will put it on some other website of something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keranique-Kaara (talk • contribs) 00:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:Kataese (fictional language) was speedy deleted by user:Liz as a blatant hoax. I can't see the deleted content but perhaps Liz will comment. Meters (talk) 00:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Should have read the above more closely, since the OP states that it is a fictional language. Is this a fictional language that appears in any reliable sources, or is it something you made up? Meters (talk) 00:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok but I made a youtube channel and I put that language in one of my videos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keranique-Kaara (talk • contribs) 00:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Kataese is a fictional language like every one else's fictional like Klingon, That is a fictional language and that can stay but when someone else made a fictional language (me) It get deleted and I get made because that was my hard work wasted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keranique-Kaara (talk • contribs) 00:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedi is not a place to merely tell the world about something that you created one day. It is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Klingon merits an article because many independent sources have written about it and its use. 331dot (talk) 00:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please don't create multiple threads about the same topic. I have merged them. The fact that you mentioned your made up language on your own YouTube channel is not going to help. Meters (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Keranique-Kaara: The language needs to be notable as Wikipedia defines the term. As this is a personal creation of yours, it's better to let someone make an article for it if it ever gets significantly covered in reliable secondary sources. As it is right now it's of no encyclopedic value to anyone. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

When Tolkien invents a language (Elvish languages (Middle-earth)) it is article-worthy. You, no so much. David notMD (talk) 03:24, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted due to self-promotion of YouTube channel. Equine-man (talk) 23:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Repeated non-acceptance of a Wiki Page
I have submitted twice a wiki page for Vicki Mack Lataillade a Gospel Industry Icon, recognized by all of the major Gospel organizations, we have submitted a number of article references industry awards, and yet the page is not accepted. Who is the Wiki reviewer? Can we get someone who is knowledgeable of the Gospel Industry? I cannot understand why (they give a reason, but it is not of sufficient merit to be believed). This is very troubling when a see a number of wiki pages with far less references or maybe none. Don't understand this logic. ClaudeLataillade (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC) ClaudeLataillade (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:COI, since you share the same last name. In the meantime, I'll review the article for sourcing. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , do you have some connection to ? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ClaudeLataillade, why do you say "we"? -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! The usernames of the reviewers are listed on the pink boxes on Draft:Vicki Mack Lataillade as well on the yellow boxes on User talk:Leonzaigirdar.  I followed the "Improving your odds of a speedy review" instructions on the pink box on the draft and added WikiProject Gospel music to the draft page, in the hopes that it will attract editors who are knowledgeable of the Gospel industry.  Some of the existing Wikipedia articles don't meet Wikipedia's guidelines (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), and you're welcome to improve them.  I did some copyediting and reference tweaking on your draft.  GoingBatty (talk) 23:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Fixing Citations and Re-verifying My Page
I noticed that a window popped up on my Wiki page saying I need citations and verification all of a sudden. Not sure why or how this happened but figured I would ask here and see if anyone can help! Please let me know if you might be able to help. Thank you! 2603:8001:6501:4B27:5C92:8C83:60E5:2CCC (talk) 22:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Articles on Wikipedia must have reliable, verifiable sourcing. While I'm not sure on which specific article you are seeing this notice on, it should be fixed. We need good sources that show why the article's subject is important. WhoAteMyButter  ( 📨talk │ 📝contribs ) 22:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You'll get a better response from others if you refer to Wikipedia articles as articles instead of pages, which is really a social media term which denigrates the work of volunteers. The page may be about you, but since anyone can edit it, it belongs to the collective audience. Amazon and YouTube videos make poor sources, since most of them are user generated content. Verifiable sources not controlled by the article subjects help demonstrate notability of the article subjects, and verify the information in the articles. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Since the article is about you, you should not be editing it directly per WP:PSCOI.  Instead, you may suggestions on the article's talk page Talk:Jared Evan with the request edit or use Edit Request Wizard.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Uploading gif image to mood ring site
Greetings. I need someone to walk me thru how to add a gif image of THE original mood ring to replace the copycat mood ring image on the site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mood_ring Moodman001 (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC) Moodman001 (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Try this:
 * Take a photo of your original mood ring.
 * Go to File Upload Wizard, click "Upload your own or a freely licensed file", and follow the prompts to upload the file and give it a unique file name.
 * Go to the Mood ring article and click "Edit source".
 * Replace  with something like   and click "Show preview".
 * If it doesn't look right, tweak your code and preview again.
 * When it looks good, write an edit summary and click "Publish changes".
 * Hope this helps - happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Editors who are not logged in uses IP address
The every single editor are not logged in uses IP addresses will be publicly visible. It says on editor screen: "You are not logged in. Your IP address will be publicly visible if you make any edits. If you log in or create an account, your edits will be attributed to a username, among other benefits." Can you give us more information about logging in as user account without any IP addresses? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:9105:6104:2624:534B (talk) 03:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You'd need to register an account to log into first. (If you cannot do this directly due to a block on your IP, contact WP:ACC.) —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 03:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Many newcomers to editing Wikipedia are under the false impression that editing without creating an account is the most anonymous way of editing. This is incorrect, because such editors disclose their IP addresses, which can provide many clues to an editor's location and perhaps be one of several clues that results in their identity being compromised. Creating an account allows the maximum level of anonymity and confidentiality, if an editor is careful to avoid disclosing any personally identifying information. Like me, some editors openly disclose their real world identity, but that irrevocable decision should be considered carefully and implemented by well-informed adults. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  04:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Finding proper category.
I removed the redirect and added some extra sources. Now I want to find the proper categories to add at the bottom. Forced conversion of minority girls in Pakistan. --ZebraaaLounge (talk) 05:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC) ZebraaaLounge (talk) 05:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Addition of categories is an odd task. I start by looking for a selection of articles that are comparable in some way, and using their categories if these are directly applicable, and tweaking the categories if they instead need tweaking. NB each category should fit, and (unlike redlinks within text) should already exist. -- Hoary (talk) 05:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by NB? ZebraaaLounge (talk) 05:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Nota bene; "note well". -- Hoary (talk) 06:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Editing Soomra
Hi there,

I am editing Soomro wiki and each time I do that it goes back to obnoxious and false information presented on Soomros. Being Soomro and a student of history myself, I represent my community and therefore I make changes based on history. Thanks Rostam.smr (talk) 06:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your personal experiences and studies of the topic Soomra are of no value in editing Wikipedia, unless you provide references to reliable, independent sources that verify the content you want to change. "Representative of a community" is not an accepted role on Wikipedia because we summarize reliable sources instead of engaging in advocacy. Any Wikipedia editor of any nationality, ethnicity, caste or tribal identification can edit any article here, as long as they neutrally summarize reliable sources. If other editors contest your content changes, then you are expected to go to the article talk pages and build consensus for the changes that you want to make. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

new article--living person biography
Can I write a new Wikipedia article even if I haven't ever made edits to other Wikipedia articles? Piacerebbe (talk) 22:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello ! Technically, you are allowed to do so, but it's very unlikely that you have the necessary expertise to do so successfully, yet! Creating a new article from scratch is the most difficult task on Wikipedia there is; you need a good working knowledge of how the mechanics of Wikipedia work, what the rules are governing what your text should, may and may not say (especially if its a Biography of a living person), and the general skill of crafting an appropriate non-fiction article (which you may already have if you've written non-fiction to a publishable standard elsewhere). Editing existing articles is one of the best ways to learn a lot of this.
 * Some editors liken creating an article to building a house (which needs good foundations, a good structural plan, the right materials and the skills to put them together), others to playing a concerto (where you need to be able to read music, play an instrument, and co-ordinate with the other musicians).
 * Other editors here have more expertise in guiding you to various policies, essays, exercises and other advice that will help you (there's a lot), so I'll leave that to them. Best of luck. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 22:55, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No, from a technical standpoint, you must be autoconfirmed to create new pages. Even if you were, I highly suggest that you don't write an article right away, but rather, gain experience by editing existing articles first. Writing brand new articles is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia that requires a large amount of knowledge about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I suggest you to first complete The Wikipedia Adventure first, which is a tutorial about how things work around here. Then, after you gain more experience, read WP:YFA and proceed from there. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 22:59, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree that writing an acceptable Wikipedia article is not as easy as many eager new editors imagine, but in my opinion, it is nowhere near as difficult as building a house or playing a concerto. I wrote my first Wikipedia article Dirk van Erp in 2009, about a month after I had registered my Wikipedia account, and had only made 15 previous edits. On the other hand, I had spent months reading Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and had been a published freelance writer for over 30 years. Preparation is very important. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Obviously no-one assets that it is as difficult. The point is that as with those activities, one needs a grasp of the complexity of the task, and of the appropriate skills, knowledge and required procedures involved. I myself have professional experience of researching for and editing others' non-fiction MSS, but am less adept at writing my own material from scratch, which is why I stick to copyediting and answering queries rather than creating new articles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 08:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about meter/metre throughout wikipedia articles
Hello, I was just wondering if there is a guideline recommending the use of metre v.s. meter thoughout articles. I have seen that some articles, such as freestyle swimming use "meter", while others such as 100 metres freestyle use "metre". Thanks!

Sincerely, Rafaelmanman (talk) 18:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The relevant guideline is WP:ENGVAR. In short, there is no requirement for uniformity within Wikipedia as a whole, but each article should use a consistent spelling. Deor (talk) 18:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I have noticed that for a while. It reminds me of this one thing in the article Athenian Democracy, where it referred to the size of the quorum as 6000 people, but the courts as up to 6,000 people; notice how one has a comma, and the other doesn't. Also, maybe on the front of the page can be a thing saying wherever it is used by a British or American person using the article (Or something like that, I don't know)? And what if it like autocorrected the language to you, so it would auto-translate (so like if you marked yourself as "American", and you were reading an article that included the word "metre", then it could be corrected to "meter", but only in your view. And it shouldn't be like the 'white to harmless' thing; it should stay as "metre" if there is something signifying that it should not be corrected) and therefore you would see the translation. This would maybe evolve into people using one central Wikipedia, instead of language differed ones. This could also do stuff like changing "mile" to "kilometer" or "kilometre", and I'm American, but I use "kilometer". So it would do stuff like that. This is all very complex and probably will be very hard to insert into Wikipedia, but it could significantly help people. Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 18:19, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Pikiwedia98461: Please refrain from creating a new question when responding, and click on the "edit source" link next to the heading of the section you want to reply to. Also remember to sign by adding  at the end of your posts. Articles with obvious national ties will use the appropriate variant, while others usually have Use American English or similar displayed when editing. Changing variants dependent on user would require Javascript or similar scripts, which is, in my opinion, wholly unnecessary and needlessly complicated. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me that. Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 18:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Changing variants dependent on user would require Javascript or similar scripts, which is, in my opinion, wholly unnecessary and needlessly complicated. If some people feel strongly enough about English varieties to care, it would be helpful to them to have an "automated translation" switcher (as long as the default is to not alter the actual text of the articles), similar to how we give instructions in Talk:Muhammad/FAQ Q3 as to how to hide images. It would be quite easy to script wholesale word replacements, but the problem is that an automated tool is going to fail on certain cases; for instance, you do not want the Aerial Lift Bridge to appear as the "aerial elevator bridge" to a GB reader.
 * For that reason, changing spelling variants is explicitly listed as something that should not be done by a bot in WP:SPELLBOT. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Featured article
How to make Featured article? From today&#39;s featured article (talk) 08:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Much experience, energetic source hunting, voracious and careful reading, ... and that (and more) is all before you start on the writing stage. -- Hoary (talk) 09:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It's probably easier to start with an article that has already been assessed as "B" or above on the scale given at WP:ASSESS. Articles don't become featured until they have gone through a rigorous peer-review process (described at WP:FAC) and I doubt that anyone has ever written such an article from scratch without the assistance of other editors. However, don't be put off trying.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The very, very rare Four Award is given to editors who sequentially created a new article, did a "Did You Know" for that article (after creation or after GA), raised it to GA and subsequently to FA. Articles have been moved from B-class to FA, but the more traveled path is C-class or B-class to GA, and from there, to FA. David notMD (talk) 10:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh, and "From today's featured article" is a BAD choice for a User name. I strongly suggest you abandon the account and start a new one with a different name. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding Photos
Hi, I’m fairly new to Wiki and have figured out the basics with text, boxes, tables etc.. but was wanting to learn about adding photos and what type of photos can be added as I somehow managed it once but it was deleted. Any help appreciated!

Bradonwiki (talk) 10:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Bradonwiki, Welcome! In short: The basic assumption is that any random pic you find online can't be used because copyright. At Commons you can find a large collection of images that are ok to use. At Commons you are welcome to upload pics you have taken yourself. WP:NONFREE pics like logos or bookcovers can be used in a very limited extent, but these are uploaded on WP itself, not Commons. More at WP:IMAGES. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Putting link in both infobox and first use or mention in article
To me, if a term in a Wikipedia article that has its own article is mentioned in both the infobox of the article and the text of the article, I'm inclined to link the term in both the infobox and the first use or mention in the article text. This is because I'm not certain all readers read the infobox or follow links in it, and there may be some readers who only read the infobox and not the article text.

As an example, the infobox on Yiddish has the term "minority language." The article text also uses that term. There is an article Minority language on Wikipedia. I would be inclined to link both "minority language" in the Yiddish infobox and the first use of "minority language" in the Yiddish article text.

What do others think? Is there any official, or widely adhered to, policy? Greg Dahlen (talk) 12:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The guidance on repeat links is at MOS:REPEATLINK. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

addition to Wiki article "List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft"
I was involved in a crash landing in Kano, Nigeria in early 1951 and would like to add the incident to the above topic. Please LMK how I can proceed. Thank youTony S2000 (talk) 03:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Every crash on that list is an existing Wikipedia article (hence blue lettering). You would first need to create such an article. David notMD (talk) 03:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - what details do you know - date, airline, aircraft type, type of flight etc? Not all aircraft accidents are notable enough for stand alone articles. Mjroots (talk) 11:48, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Might be this one, or this one. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 08:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Someone who is alive and able to post here in 2021 was probably very young in 1951 (seventy years ago), unless they are badly mistaken about the date; presumably they did not pay much attention to the airline, aircraft type etc. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There was a crash in Kano in 1956. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I just found this (scroll to the last entry). https://www.baaa-acro.com/city/kano?page=1 A plane that left Kano crash landed in Sudan in 1951. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Tense in captions
Is there a preferred tense when captioning depictions of, broadly speaking, the past? Some examples to illustrate:

"The tower was" versus "a fireball rises", "the platform was" versus "transmitters can be seen". I looked at the style manual, but WP:CAPTION doesn't mention tenses and WP:TENSE doesn't mention captions, so no immediate help there.

Of course, captions don't really need verbs in the first place: "The original complex in March 2001." So the question need not come up at all. But while that works well for individual sentences, it doesn't hold up as well when applied throughout a paragraph. And a past tense is of course required when referring to something that happened before the photograph was taken, like the "destroyed by Hurricane Maria" parenthetical.

I like present tense elsewhere, though. On the one hand, this can simply be considered a case of historical present, especially when it is natural to think of the subject matter as an event rather than an entity, like "a fireball rises". On the other hand, the choice of tense entails a choice of frame of reference: Using the past suggests we're talking about the thing; using the present suggests we're talking about the picture. And that we're typically doing the latter is shown by the use of directional terms, which have meaning only in that context: The "right" in "to the right was the catwalk" is about its location in the picture, not its location in reality. And as the picture exists in the present, saying that "the catwalk is to the right" is arguably sounder than that it "was to the right".

Granted, a similar argument can be made vice versa: "In the background was the East River" could be justified by noting that even though the East River exists in the present, "in the background" establishes the frame of reference as the picture, not reality, and the picture was taken in the past. Unless the taking of the picture was somehow a notable event in and of itself, though, that perspective would be a rather peculiar one to adopt, surely.

Thoughts?

- 2A02:560:42A1:700:E8EB:87DF:3948:D496 (talk) 13:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello IP editor. Interesting points to mull over there! I think there is no single answer as to which is the correct tense to use in any caption - so much depends on context. Regarding the beam-steering mechanism photo of the radio telescope, my take-away impression from the tense used is that the device no longer exists or can be seen in that form, and thus the past tense is acceptable there. It would equally be OK to caption an image as "Beam steering mechanism prior to its destruction in the storm of 1980. The beam sits upon the widget which is mounted on the flange-bracket" i.e. having set the context (the past), it's then OK to describe the image using the present tense.
 * I'm also happy with the present tense being used in the fireball photo, as a date context is given, not only in the caption itself, but no doubt within the article about the event. We know something happened in 2001, and the photo caption describes what is happening at that point back in time. We, the viewers, are being taken back in time to that point by means of the caption text, and thus we are now being invited to look at those events as they are happening by means of the present tense. And I'm fine with that in these examples you've shown us. Good photos and well-worded captions can, and should, give life, interest and relevance to an article. Obviously all photos show a past moment in time, and objects different in their permanence, so I think judgement has to be used, as well as an understanding of how the photo is being deployed and interpreted within the article. The key test in all cases, I feel, is whether your mind jars as you read a caption or an article. If it doesn't, and if it makes sense, then it will have probably been using the correct tense. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with, and I think that the captions above are fine. If I really wanted to be pedantic, I'd write "Also to the right were the catwalk and part of the rectangular waveguide". Maproom (talk) 14:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Employing an untensed opening like "beam steering mechanism prior to its destruction" to re-frame the tensed remainder of the description may well be the most elegant solution available in English. Nice! :)
 * - 2A02:560:42A1:700:E8EB:87DF:3948:D496 (talk) 15:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The word "white"
Hello, everyone. I replaced the word "white" with "harmless" in an article, but it was reverted. Does English Wikipedia currently see no problem with using the word "white" to mean "trustworthy", "do no harm", etc.? Kj4bFan (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think in the article you edited "white" refers to skin colour, so it makes zero sense for you to replace with the word "harmless" unless you are intentionally being racist, in which case you will be blocked. Polyamorph (talk) 12:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no way that edit is racist. And that's the problem with any idea of blocking racists. In this day and age, more and more people are being labeled as racists (and ruined for it) for being genuinely NOT racist; their "crime" is, they seek to treat everyone the same way. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry what now? The edit made no sense. And neither does your rant on not blocking racists. Polyamorph (talk) 21:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Far more useful would be blocking people who throw around accusations of "racist" willy-nilly, and accompany them with blanket threats. Sense or no sense, racism didn't enter into it until you brought it in. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I presume this was the diff. The sentence could/should be rephrased, but your way made no sense. Johnbod (talk) 12:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If you haven't done so already, I suggest you follow the reference and read pages 448-451 of Reynolds' book, and then ensure that the Wikipedia article accurately summarizes what is stated in the book. If (like me) you don't have access to the book, then I suggest you don't change the wording.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all for your comments. I have read the chapter in question in the source before, using DeepL, but I didn't find it natural in the context that the word appeared in the sense of "of the white race," and I thought it was used to indicate that they had no dangerous objects. I have a lot to learn about the English language, so I'll avoid getting involved in this part of the article any further. My apologies, and thank you again.--Kj4bFan (talk) 13:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC) --Kj4bFan (talk) 13:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * —If you have the source to hand, what is the specific wording they use? It might be that the sentence should be re-written to be clearer; as it originally stood I understood as it caucasian and would not have read it as "harmless" (like in the sense of "a white lie"), but if you saw this as the interpretation it does leave open the possibility that our wording is not clear enough. If you have the original quote we can work out whether anything could be improved. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. It seems that another person has since changed the expression to a new one, so I have nothing more to say. But just in case, I will post the relevant chapter for your reference. Please note that the source is from the 2008 edition, while the one shown here is from the 2013 edition, like the one I have. https://books.google.com/books/about/Energy_Flash.html?hl=en&id=CXPZyYHLd-kC --Kj4bFan (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the relevant chapter starts here. 20 TWO STEPS BEYOND --Kj4bFan (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Previews are unavailable, unfortunately, tMay be a regional difference. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your confirmation and report. Okay, so I'll just quote one paragraph, although it may not be sufficient."Like most UK garage clubs, Twice as Nice bans trainers, jeans, baseball caps. Scene outsiders often criticize the dress code as elitist. Defenders of the policy argue that it’s good to encourage people to make an effort, and that the dress code keeps trouble out. Actually, the only people deterred by the garage veto on trainers and jeans are scruffy but harmless white college kids. And everybody knows that gangstas like to dress expensive – which is why there are metal detectors on Twice as Nice’s doors. —Simon Reynolds in Energy Flash"
 * Welcome to Wikipedia Teahouse! For future purposes, what I would suggest is to mention something along the line "Sorry for any mistakes, English is not my first language" to prevent any confusions/incorrect assumptions. Also I won't say "Do not eveer edit that article in your life" as you may have thought as always, be careful.--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 15:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Question related to WP:BLPCRIME
In the article Sameer Wankhede a recent arrest of one actor's son is mentioned. Is it violating WP:BLPCRIME? <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 14:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Good question, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think probably 'yes' is the answer. There is no date to give context to the article. It simply states:
 * He is leading the investigation of Cordelia drug case involving Joe Bloggs, son of [wikilinked] Bollywood actor Fred Bloggs.[ref]
 * Fred Bloggs is wikilinked to an existing article, so I might rephrase it as:
 * In 2021 he led an investigation of the Cordelia drug case involving a member of the family of [wikilinked] Bollywood actor Fred Bloggs.[ref]
 * However, if this unexplained "Cordelia case" is just some minor event, and not a major investigation with good news coverage, I might have thought it best to simply remove the sentence and ref entirely from the article. Context, as always, is important. Assuming the article is not deleted, this could be discussed further on the talk page, and consensus reached. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Nick Moyes Thank you for your quick response. He was arrested on 3 October 2021. It is not that huge event. I have already started a new discussion in the talk page of the said article. If no one replies or objects, then I'll remove it. <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 15:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Eevee01 OK. Feel free to copy my comment over from here if it helps, or supply a diff, if you prefer. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:Eevee01, yes, good question, and I agree completely, so I've taken the liberty of truncating the sentence, to say that the subject of the article is involved in the Cordelia drugs case. Yes, the statement was referenced, but we have no idea whether this drugs case will ever be notable. WP is not a newspaper, and we don't have to be hot on the trail of the story. We are writing truth about notable things for posterity, not hot celebrity gossip. The accused is actually rather far removed from the article; he's a defendant nicked by the subject, and the subject's article is being discussed for deletion anyway. The accused is only notable for being the offspring of someone notable. All in all, it's far too soon to know if any of this lot is worthy of an article in WP, and until then, you're quite right, we have to be careful about BLP. The story may be true, but it may be disproportionate to advertise the alleged offence here, now. So let's wait and see. Elemimele (talk) 16:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Muddy (film)
The article Muddy (film) was moved to draft Draft: Muddy (film), the reason was neither developed the production section nor not released yet. As per the suggestions by some admins from the WP:HELPDESK, I improved the production section and added more reliable references to it. But rejected. Still saying that it is not meeting film notability. But in my view and as per the guideline I think it meets WP:NFILM. Please tell where I didn't cover and where I should improve. please help! there are some film articles on mainspace which haven't been released yet such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnal_Murali That's why I am confused. Muddy is the first-ever Indian film of an off-road mud race as well as a multilingual one. I expect a scope of wikiproject film. Thank you !! Onmyway22 (talk) 15:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * When you have a question, please post it on the Help desk or the Teahouse, but not both. Since you started at the Help desk, let's keep the discussion at Help desk.  Thanks!  16:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talk • contribs)

Constructive edits
I had a notice on my talk page that "your recent contributions&#32;to Sutherland Springs church shooting have been undone because they did not appear constructive." I was told specifically that the edits were in fact constructive. What exactly was incorrect about the sources that I used for my edits? Am I allowed to remove notifications on my own talk page in order to clean up space? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 03:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! reverted your edit, so I suggest contacting that editor with your question. From WP:OWNTALK, "The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user.... Some new users believe they can hide critical comments by deleting them. This is not true: Such comments can always be retrieved from the page history." Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Appears you added names of victims and Love of Corey reverted that. From looking at Mass shootings in the United States, many, but not all, of the articles list victims. David notMD (talk) 10:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * So it sounds like there is nothing wrong with the sources I used, from my understanding. Thanks for the feedback! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 14:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * At Sutherland Springs church shooting, go to View history. The revert by Love of Corey will include link to that editor's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 17:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Editing
Hello! I am new to Wikipedia and I have a question. After editing and creating a draft on a page, how do I send it for review? Thank you! Alpha phoenix679 (talk) 15:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! To submit a draft for review, simply add  to the top of the draft.  If you were to submit Draft:Spy+ for review, it would be rejected for not having any independent sources demonstrating how the company meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for companies.  If you haven't done so already, I recommend you review Help:Your first article.  You might also want to gain more experience editing existing articles before trying to tackle creating a new article, which is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Alpha phoenix679, welcome! You can use this link: Articles_for_creation. However, if you submit Draft:Spy+ as written, it will not be accepted. WP:NORG and WP:YFA may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What Spy+ says about itself on its own website (or in press releases) contributes zero toward establishing notability. Drafts that have some potential to become articles are Declined; those with no potential are Rejected (or even faster, Speedy deleted). David notMD (talk) 17:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

New here
I'm new here and was wondering if y'all could give any advice to start me off. The smallest tips are still much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Le3royJ3nk1ns06 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Expect a post on your Talk page with a Welcome, and direction toward useful tutorials. David notMD (talk) 17:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Gotcha covered and welcome to the Teahouse and community, @Le3royJ3nk1ns06. -- A Rose Wolf  17:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I was wondering how to add categories to a page.
I was struggling with adding categories on pages. I read over the wikipedia article about categorization but I couldn't find an answer. Btw i am on smartphone in case maybe that might make a difference to my situation? Bpk365 (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * All you have to do is add to the end of the article's source code, replacing Name with the name of the category. –– FormalDude   talk  22:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much! I really appreciate the reply! (Bpk365 (talk) 22:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC))


 * You can also install the HotCat gadget in your preferences. It'll make your life a lot easier. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

== Fotos hochladen in Wikipedia.: Hallo und grüß Gott, kann ich einfach Fotos von mir gemacht zb der Antonskirche in 1100 Wien auf der dazugehörigen Seite von Wikipedia hochladen, damit sich meine Menschen ein umfangreicheres Bild selbst machen können dazu? Danje und 🧡 Gruß aus Wien ==

2A02:8388:15C0:9800:28BD:8FE3:F980:6BAF (talk) 10:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * If you intend to edit German WP, you should ask there, this is English WP, and you are expected to communicate in English. If you have photos of the church that you have taken with your own camera, you can upload them on Wikimedia Commons, and then they can be used on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Fragen zur deutsche Wikipedia sind hier. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Fotos, die du selbst gemacht hast, solltest du hier bei Wikimedia Commons hochladen (das ist das gemeinsame Medien-Repository für alle Wikipedia-Projekte). Dazu benötigst du allerdings ein kostenloses Benutzerkonto (die Angabe einer Email-Adresse ist freiwillig). Hochgeladene Bilder kannst du anschließend dann in passenden Artikeln einbinden. Wie das geht, finderst du hier erklärt. Grüße <b style="color:#eee;background:#000;padding:1q;padding-right:1.5q;border-radius:4q;font-size:1.3em;line-height:0;">⌘</b><b style="color:#bbb">hugarheimur</b> 04:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * There's no German wikipedia teahouse. This is the | previous one but it was terminated... so i suggest using google translation--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 16:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The German Wikipedia has a help desk at de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia, and Commons has a German help page at commons:Help:Contents/de. GoingBatty (talk) 19:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Guten Morgen!
 * 1)Gehe zur Seite und klicken Sie zuerst auf "Bearbeiten" oder "Edit" oben in der Mitte der Seite.
 * 2)Klicken Sie dann auf "Einfügen" oder "Insert", die sich ebenfalls oben in der Mitte der Seite befindet.
 * 3)Klicken Sie auf "Bilder und Medien" oder "Photos and Media"
 * 4)Klicken Sie auf "Hochladen" oder "Upload".
 * 5)Klicken Sie abschließend auf "Datei hochladen“ oder "Upload file“ und wählen Sie Ihr Kirchenfoto aus. Vergessen Sie nicht, auf "Das ist meine Arbeit" oder "This is my work" zu klicken. Liebe Vereinigte Arabische Emirate--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 16:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with establishing notability
I have been working on this entry on an important public historian: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Peter_Benes&action=submit. As you'll see from the Talk, one editor (much to my surprise) dismissed Notability outright; another has engaged in a more thoughtful exchange, but the conversation still seems to be distracted, I think, with questions about whether the "best book" awards cited are themselves "notable," etc. But the central premise for Notability here not the publication record per se, but rather that the subject of this entry is the founder of an important scholarly organization that itself already has an entry (the person is also a highly-respected historian whose publications have consistently won awards, so that is part of the entry, but it's not the basis for Notability in and of itself), so I'm just puzzled about these questions. The entry to me looks completely consistent with other entries on prominent historians. I'd love to bring this work to a close--and would welcome any help that could be offered here! Mrmedit (talk) 15:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! There are many articles that do not meet Wikipedia's current guidelines (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), and you're welcome to improve them. Regarding Draft:Peter Benes, per WP:BASIC, which are the three best independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Benes?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . A reference that says "Boston Globe, Sept 30, 1982" is of almost no value. The reference should contain the title of the article and the name of the author, and if the content is not available online, the page number. You have a lot of URLs in your references, which should not be visible. Please take a close look at Referencing for beginners. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  16:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks to you both for your quick replies! I added author/title to the Globe references (and will look at the referencing guide re: the URLs when I have more time). On "significant coverage," do you mean other biographical entries already online elsewhere? I do not know of any other in-depth career overviews already in print or online; the career achievement awards (Bay State Legacy Award and AASLH) include brief citations that articulate why the recognition (one statewide, one national) was given, which is what I thought would be most relevant to the Notability question, but they don't (alas) provide a career overview. There are several publications that speak to one element or another (book reviews that describe impact on scholarship, awards that attest to significance) but not a summary, that I know of. Mrmedit (talk) 16:55, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For more information of "significant coverage", see WP:SIGCOV. GoingBatty (talk) 19:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Citing newspaper article found on NewsBank
Hello,

What is the proper way to cite a newspaper article that I found using NewsBank (access to NewsBank from public library)? A template and example would be very helpful.

Thanks! Trillkat (talk) 15:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! You could use the cite news template. Template:Cite news mentions NewsBank in the description of the via parameter. I quick search for "NewsBank" shows that the Sam Quek article has several examples of references to articles on NewsBank. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * thank you for the reply. The Quek article was very helpful since I was also wondering about the url-access bit with regards to NewsBank. How does the 'quick search' feature work that you were able to find an article with NewsBank sources? Thanks again!Trillkat (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * At the top of any Wikipedia page, type "NewsBank" and Wikipedia will suggest several articles. Instead, click on the last entry: "Search for pages containing NewsBank".  GoingBatty (talk) 19:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, smart... Thanks for the tip! Trillkat (talk) 19:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . It might have helped had you given us a url to a news article you wanted to cite. But either of our two editing tools have a 'Cite' button and a 'News template' built into them, including the ability to paste in a url and get it to automatically populate most of the fields. You just fill in the rest. I have just used Source Editor to reply to you, and there's a Cite button which lets me select the relevant template template (book, website, news, journal). You can do the same with WP:Visual Editor, though the template buttons are laid out differently. Either way, you might make a statement and support it with a reference, thus:
 * Nick Moyes said that he had some sympathy for Mr Hatton's concerns, but rejected the logic of his argument.
 * Just don't do what I did when I first started here many years ago, and simply tried to manually complete all the cite fields from scratch by copying another reference and editing it to fit. Just use the cite button to make your life simple and quick. Does that address your question? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi,. Thanks for your quick response. I will try and use the cite button when I make my edit, sounds a lot easier than using wordpad lol. Thanks again!Trillkat (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * @Trillkat You’re most welcome. See WP:REFBEGIN for more help in this area. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:15, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

correcting wrong information
hello, i tried to correct some wrong information, and i was then blocked. how do i suggest the correct information to be updated on a page? 68.199.57.75 (talk) 19:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You can always use the talk page. Ruslik_ Zero 19:55, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Presuming you are, you can follow the instructions on User talk:Afiordellisi or pick a different user name. You can then declare your conflict of interest on your user page. Then, instead of directly editing the Cherry Lane Theatre article, you can post your suggestions to Talk:Cherry Lane Theatre along with reliable sources (or use the Edit Request Wizard). Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

publishing articles
How do you get an article published quicker guys?

Sanele Dupont (talk) 18:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You read about notability, and the advice at WP:Your first article, but there is no deadline. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Appears you have started on a draft: Draft:Rossburgh High School but not submitted for review yet. In it's present state, would be declined as no references. Waiting for a draft to be reviewed can by up to two months, David notMD (talk) 20:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Copy-Edit and rephrasing
Hi all I'm just starting out and have been turned around quite often, what I'm pondering is; what do I do when I see statements that on inquiry via search turn out to have no basis? and if an article is written like an advertisement but I have trouble finding any reliable source to reference, how to approach the rephrasing?

Thanks! Rannugblah (talk) 18:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If you see a statement that is not sourced in a reference, one thing you can do is add a tag directly after the statement in the source editor. If there is a source, but you are sure the source does not actually support that statement, you can add a  tag.


 * If you see an article written like an advertisement, one thing you can do is add an tag to the very top of the article (or section) in the the source editor. Then, you can explain your addition of the tag in the articles Talk Page.


 * There are other ways to handle these situations, but as a newcomer, you did the right thing by coming here to ask. I would start with adding these tags, if you're sure they're appropriate, and understand that not all editors may agree with you, and your edit could be reverted. I hope that helps! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, this is a great start. I often see articles that are already tagged as advertisement/needs editing and take a look at them. More often than not there are a bunch of statements in the article about how some person is such and such and then that is cited to a PR site of a company.. If I was king I'd just delete the entire thing, but best to ask. Thanks for the info Pyrrho the Skeptic.

Rannugblah (talk) 20:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Marriage certificates??
Ana Marinovic appears to have got married, and an IP address and GavinReed2021 have attempted to modify the article about her to reflect her married name. These changes have been consistently reverted, presumably as unreferenced. On the Talk page, GavinReed2021 has suggested that he could produce her marriage certificate. This is, I think, a good-faith offer. I've made him aware that if he's close enough to her to have her marriage certificate he almost certainly has a conflict of interest that he must declare. But the problem remains: a marriage certificate is a primary source and I'd have no idea how to cite it anyway. What are we supposed to do in circumstances like this? Do we accept an inaccurate encyclopaedia because we can't prove she's married, or do we accept primary evidence? Elemimele (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * My initial reaction is that the issue isn't so much that a marriage certificate is a primary source,, but that it's not a published source, which is a requirement of WP:VERIFY. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point. He's also mentioned that they're going to update her website, but my worry there is that her website is what she says about herself, so I don't know if we'd accept that either? This must surely happen fairly often? There are loads of people who have at some point been notable enough to get an article, but who are not now notable enough for independent news sources to rush to their weddings. Elemimele (talk) 20:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WP:PRIMARY, we accept primary sources for straightforward statements as fact, and I think a marriage would qualify as that (I'm more familiar with the case of dates of birth, for which a primary source is fine; marriages strike me as similar). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * If it is of encyclopaedic interest it will have been reported in independent reliable sources; until and unless those are cited it should not be in the page. People are strongly discouraged from sending in personal documents, partly because anyone can make one in Photoshop in about six minutes, and partly because it puts us in the position of having violated their privacy (even more so if the person providing the document is not the subject). And no,, I don't think a primary source should ever be used for a date of birth, as we know that's something that people routinely lie about; it's an area where independent sources should always be provided – isn't it? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * People do indeed lie about it,, but I think that we nonetheless accept self-published sources for dates of birth - see the final paragraph at WP:DOB. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Based on the above, I've updated the article to use her married name, but stating her maiden name clearly (it remains with her maiden name as the title, which is probably appropriate as her main claim to notability is probably her sporting career under her maiden name); I have used her website as the (primary) reference. Not sure if I've inserted it in the right place! I honestly think this is the best that can be done. Thank you for the advice above. Elemimele (talk) 07:01, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Tangential comment: I was interested to discover that marriage certificates include the married names of the bride(s) and groom(s) in some jurisdictions! I never knew that. --bonadea contributions talk 07:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

a marriage certificate is a local government document, usually kept at a courthouse, and a copy is accessible to all, not just someone with close ties to the married couple. (Births, deaths and marriage records are considered public records, and accessible by the public.) When I was editing the article about actor Jack Orrison I wanted his 1937 marriage license (which had his marriage certification attached to it) as a backup source to verify published references I'd obtained. I went to the county courthouse website and ordered a copy of the marriage license to be mailed to me. I referenced it as: Westmoreland Co., PA Marriage License Docket No. 56, page 125, the docketing location listed on the license. I hope this is of help to you, if you obtain a copy of a marriage certificate. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks, that's well worth knowing. In this instance, since the subject's personal web-page has now been updated to include her married name, I've used that as a primary-source-supporting-straightforward-fact, and no one has reverted it yet. Editing WP is educational! Elemimele (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Elemimele,that looks ok to me per WP:ABOUTSELF. If she wrote, "btw, I'm married", that'd be fine too (but per same policy not name of spouse). The marriage certificate, however, falls on WP:BLPPRIMARY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:43, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Daunted by First Contribution
I would like to contribute a page on an important artist who died in 1981 and who is not mentioned in Wikipedia. I have two questions which I hope people will be able to help me with.

The first is: I have written the proposed content in collaboration with another person, and all facts, information and quotes etc have their sources in original published material which is cited. However, much (not all) of this published material was written by me or quotes me. Is this a conflict of interest and a big no-no with Wikipedia, or is it acceptable? What if my collaborator submits it instead of me?

Secondly, do we have to format the content in the wikipedia style? I have looked at how to do this with the formatting marks/coding needed to create larger font sizes and bold lettering etc, but feel it would be much easier for someone who is already familiar with doing this. We would prefer to submit the content with sub-headings, images and citations if possible, but will do it ourselves if necessary.

This artist is an 'outsider artist' of some importance. There has been quite some interest in his work both in his country of origin, new Zealand, and internationally, but there is no place where the public information about him is gathered comprehensively in summary. I feel Wikipedia is the place to do this.

Thanks for any help. Featurefax (talk) 20:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia.  To learn the Wikipedia style, you might be interested in Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure.  Editing other articles where you do not have a conflict of interest (COI) is a great way to learn as well.  Since you have a COI pertaining to this artist, you should declare it on your user page and then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article.  If the article is accepted, you will not be able to edit the article directly, but could make suggestions on the article's talk page.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 20:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Featurefax In addition to what @GoingBatty has helpfully suggested, please be aware that there are many interpretations of the word "published". Research posted on a personal blog is 'published', but is not acceptable here as it has no editorial control/oversight. It would just be Original Reserach, which we do not accept. Equally, a self-published (vanity) book would also not be regarded as a Reliable Source, whereas a properly published book is more likely to be. A museum or academic institution supporting such published material would give it a lot more sway. Without knowing more about the subject and the precise sources you've produced, it is hard to give a specific answer. Please assess this person against our notability criteria to see if they stand a chance of having an article here. These are at WP:NARTIST and WP:NBIO.
 * It matters much less if your layout is poor. Providing the content and sources are good, the article will be likely to be approved. Someone else will probably be happy to fix layout or style issues after that. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

How to become an Editor and Administrator
What are the requirements for one to become a verified editor and/or administrator so that they can decline or rather accept Drafts, and also earn badges? Motlatlaneo (talk) 01:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * There's several different topics you've mentioned here, so I'll do my best to disambiguate them.
 * You are an editor already! Anyone who registers an account could be seen as a "verified" editor (as compared to those who edit without registering an account), but there is technically no such thing as a "verified" editor in the way that there is on Twitter, for example.
 * An administrator has tools like being able to block other users, and it takes quite some time and effort to become one. An editor does need to become an administrator in order to decline or accept drafts–they only need to become an AFC reviewer.
 * You may be referring to badges that you've seen Teahouse hosts earn. These are Awards that can be given by anyone to anyone.
 * Let us know if you have any additional questions! –– FormalDude  talk  01:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Reviewers accept or decline (or reject) drafts. AfC reviewers must have:
 * a Wikipedia account at least 90 days old.
 * a minimum of 500 undeleted edits to articles (this is not the same as total number of edits).
 * thoroughly read and understood the reviewing instructions.
 * a demonstrated understanding of the policies and guidelines mentioned in the reviewing instructions, including the various notability guidelines.
 * reasonable evidence of understanding the deletion policy (experience in areas such as CSD/AfD/PROD or page curation, while not mandatory, are beneficial).
 * a willingness and ability to respond in a timely manner to questions about their reviews.
 * This in answer to your Draft question. David notMD (talk) 02:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

You probably don't need to worry about becoming an administrator, ; but if you're interested, you might look at a recent example. Here, we see ' trial by questions on Blablubbs' way to becoming an administrator. (If you're like me, you'll have difficulty understanding a number of the questions, let alone knowing how best to answer them.) Aside from having done a lot of excellent administrative work, Blablubbs did most of what we now see in the article Wolfdietrich Schnurre. -- Hoary (talk) 04:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * If you meant to link to Blablubbs' RFA, you didn't.
 * Your account is 4 years old but you have only 9 edits. Becoming an administrator requires proof of a wide diversity of experience in your contribution history, which typically requires thousands of edits in many different areas of the Wikipedia project (such as deletion discussions, vandalism reporting, dispute resolution, article protection, good article reviews, and so forth). Then you go through a week-long trial by the community, which I personally found to be a stressful experience that I wouldn't care to repeat, especially since all of this is unpaid volunteer work. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I didn't? (It looks to me like that RfA.) My own "trial by the community" was pretty painless, but that was before the process became oddly farcical. If I were to undergo it now, its demands for stamina and solemnity would be too much; my responses would probably be desultory and irreverent. -- Hoary (talk) 05:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, you did. I didn't see the link before Blablubbs' username in your message.
 * Yeah, I looked at your RFA, which predates mine by about 5 years. Yours looked pretty straightforward, short and sweet. In mine, I got fed up with the "deletionist" label baselessly being bandied about, and tried to express my displeasure politely. I think few people are willing to run for bureaucrat now because of all the drama one would go through to get a fairly innocuous user right. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:32, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with creating new page
I want to create at least a stub on the Pokemon Sirfetch'd but I'm not very good at editing. I can get the info down and organize it well but everything else I'll need help with. Tips are helpful. Thanks! UB Blacephalon (talk) 02:04, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi @Blacephalon! I'm not sure if a new article on that would be warranted by our policies on what qualifies for a stand-alone page. We even have WP:POKEMON, an essay that speaks specifically to this. Regards, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 02:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * But what about all the other stand alone pages? Like Wooloo and that? Plus Sirfetch'd is quite popular now... UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Blacephalon: Generally Pokemon need to have made a significant impact outside of the games and shows to the point that reliable sources report on them. Pikachu gets one because of its fame as the series' mascot, and Wooloo gets one because of the intense fan response. Sirfetch'd might be able to have its own standalone if it can be demonstrated that its reception is elevated beyond other species. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Well there's plushes, the anime, I think a couple people taking about it online, the long awaited hype, and more. I see no reason why it wouldn't be able to get its own page. I just need help at least trying to do it... UB Blacephalon (talk) 16:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure other Pokemon like Bulbasaur, Cyndaquil, and Mareep also have merchandise and appear in related media. Sirfetch'd would need to be more notable than that. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:02, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Does youtube count? What sites can count as notable? UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For YouTube, see WP:RSPYT. For examples of other discussions about reliable sources, see Reliable sources/Perennial sources.  GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright! Next, how do I edit a sandbox to here it looks like an article? UB Blacephalon (talk) 23:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Help:Your first article has a lot of good resources for you.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Kachwaha
The Kachwaha dynasty was established by Dulherai after the end of Raja Alan Singh Chanda, the ruler of Chanda dynasty. Therefore, in the history of Kachwaha dynasty, include the history of Raja Alan Singh Chanda, the ruler of Chanda dynasty. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 15:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I see that you have made the suggestion on the talk page of the relevant article, but you need to support the suggestion with a reference to a published reliable source. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

-- Karsan Chanda (talk) 16:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. Can you please clarify what your question is?  If you are suggesting adding this ref to an existing article, please post it on that article's talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 16:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Karsan Chanda, you have repeatedly made requests related to Draft:Alan Singh or related matters here since the period now archived here. What all this needs is people who can read the relevant languages, and there won't be many such people here. If the talk page(s) of the draft(s)/article(s) don't bring responses within a week or so of your questions/requests, why not ask at WT:IN? -- Hoary (talk) 05:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Clarity on why my article is rejected
My article draft is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Self_Insert and someone said that my article fails musician notability guidelines. I am confused because rule 1 of those guidelines states "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself", and I have listed two reliable published secondary sources on this band both with notable mention in my draft. Is the issue that I need more sources, or are my existing sources bad? If so why? Jimfish000 (talk) 04:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Aside from sourcing, the article also needs to indicate WHY the subject is important. It says the band released their EP, but doesn't say the importance of it. How is this band different from other garage bands that their friends say is cool? That's what the article should also have. I'm sure there are other things it should have that the notability gurus here can add onto. WhoAteMyButter  ( 📨talk │ 📝contribs ) 04:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I based my article on this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glocca_Morra_(band) which is another underground band I like. That article doesn't really mention why the group is important, just lists their releases and basic info. The only reason the band I am writing about is important is because they have a sizeable underground fanbase. How would I convey that?Jimfish000 (talk) 05:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , perhaps Glocca Morra (band) should be deleted. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. English Wikipedia currently has 6,401,222 articles, and I estimate that at least one million of them should either be deleted or completely rewritten. The existence of one poor quality article is not a justication for writing more poor quality articles. Instead, those older articles should either be improved or deleted, but that is a lot of work and takes some time. We work on that 24/7/365. The only relevant question is whether this specific band meets the notability Criteria for musicians and ensembles. To demonstrate that this band has a "sizeable underground fanbase", you need to provide a reference to a reliable, independent source that makes that specific assertion. You cannot make thst claim based on you own study of social media posts and the like. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  05:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

keeping track of copyright permission requests
I asked about this at the village pump (edited by Pikiwedia98461 (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)) a while ago but didn't get a response. So my question is: do we have a place where we keep track of copyright permission requests?

c:Commons:WikiProject Permission requests only shows a handful of entries. This suggests either 1) people don't really bother to ask authors for a release of rights or 2) most of those requests are not publicly recorded. If someone else has requested permission to publish a work under a free license and the copyright holder declines, then it would be useful for others to know so that they don't waste time trying to contact the same author. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC) Ixfd64 (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Since your question is about Commons, I suggest you ask it on Commons.  Good luck!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. However, this wasn't a Commons-specific question. I was wondering if we had a local page for keeping track of permission requests because we would need to prove a file is free or get permission to publish it under a free license before it could be transferred to Commons. For example, if the author of a book cover agrees to release it under a free license, then we would need OTRS VRT permission before Commons will accept that file. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I believe most explicit copyright permission are received by directly contacting c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team (often via release generator) instead of going through the Wikiproject. Images with a permission are marked with c:Template:PermissionTicket, and there are more than one million: c:Category:Items with OTRS permission confirmed. MKFI (talk) 06:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I figured most of the requests aren't public. It would certainly be nice to have a public record of such requests. If someone has already contacted the copyright holder of a non-free image, then I'd hate to bother them with a second request while the first one is in progress. I've seen users document such requests on talk pages, but not everyone does this. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Images with a request in progress should be marked with c:Template:OTRS pending. MKFI (talk) 06:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Uploading an image for a novel drug
As the title suggests, I am considering uploading an image for Draft:Tirzepatide which can be found here. What do I need to know before uploading this & it is a good image? Obama gaming (talk) 06:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Please provide a link to the page within which you found this GIF file. -- Hoary (talk) 06:54, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The molfile for this structure is available from Chemspider (ID=76714503) and I'll convert it into a .svg file for use in your article once it is accepted. For now, I suggest you stick to making the text and references as good as you can. For large peptides like this, some thought needs to be given as to the best orientation of the drawing and .gifs are not suitable: we only use .png and (much preferred) .svg. Mike Turnbull (talk) 07:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * here. Thanks . I'll keep working on the article. Obama gaming (talk) 07:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Obama gaming, most annoyingly, selleckchem.com sniffs my IP and sends me to the top page of selleck.co.jp. But if I understand Mike Turnbull correctly, you can avoid use of this GIF file, so there's no need to investigate it. As a general point, however, you should assume that any graphic file is copyright (conventionally so, "all rights reserved") unless either (a) it's explicitly labeled to the contrary or (b) you have a solid reason to believe that it's not copyrightable. And what's conventionally copyright cannot be used for Wikipedia articles, other than via a claim of "fair use" for a particular purpose (and such a claim is not easy to make). -- Hoary (talk) 07:39, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah that's frustrating. Yeah thanks for the advice, I know my way around album cover copyrights but for pharmaceuticals I may as well be looking for a black cat in a dark room. Cheers Obama gaming (talk) 07:43, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Confusion over certain policies on WikiProjects, Portals and YouTube referencing
Hi Teahouse,

How do WikiProjects work in terms of media, popular culture et al? Editors and visitors alike are confused by how they work! The same goes for Portals. Can I create portals for Barbie and Mattel, since they are the less popularly pressed subjects, bubbling under "hot"/popular portals like Disney, Anime/Manga and Cartoon. Is YouTube-only referencing welcome on WP articles? Barbie: Dreamtopia is one such example as all its media/components apart from the eponymous film/movie is YouTube-based. Fooliard (talk) 21:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For the first question, if the info at WP:PORTALS isn't sufficient, try asking at Wikipedia talk:Portal/Guidelines. Likewise for WP:WikiProjects and its related talk page, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council. The folks watching that page will be more versed on the nuances of creating categories. For the second, YouTube can be used to show that something exists, but doesn't show notability, since anyone can upload anything to the site. See WP:YOUTUBE. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree somewhat with about YouTube although a large majority of YouTube content is unreliable and unfit for use on Wikipedia. Do not think of YouTube as a "source" but rather a means of communication like a printing press, a TV station, a fax machine or a text based internet page. In all such cases, most of what those means of communication produce is unreliable junk but some of it is produced by publishing organizations that are completely reliable. Consider a TV station that broadcasts soap operas and sitcoms at certain hours and highly respected news programs at other hours. The news shows are reliable sources but the other stuff is not. Accordingly, a YouTube video on the official YouTube channel of a reliable source like a newspaper, magazine, or academic organization or expert is a reliable source. Some random loudmouth spouting off from their family room on YouTube is not a reliable source. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  02:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You’re right - I don’t spend enough time on YouTube but mostly see self-promoting videos cited here. I’ll defer to your greater experience with the site. Context is key. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  05:27, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I spend a negligible amount of time on YouTube although occasionally my wife will ask me to watch a cute Boston Terrier video in her quest for a new puppy. I am highly skeptical of that site in general but there is a little bit of reliable content hosted there. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  05:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Awhile back I used a YT video as ref at Barack Obama and nobody has removed it yet.. "Can I use YT as a source" is similar to "Can I use the internet as a source", WP:RSPYT has good guidance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

iOS version History
Why iOS 14.8.1 released by Apple is not part of your article (iOS version history)? Sravan Kumar A (talk) 09:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, that release is covered at IOS_version_history, i.e. Section 2.14, . But the general answer to questions like that is "because none of our volunteer editors has got round to it yet". As this is "the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit" you can add more information on that release yourself, provided you supply reliable sources as references. Happy editing! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:29, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Are you allowed to make an Edit request whilst being Extended-Confirmed or Auto-Confirmed?
For example, if you didn't have time to edit it or didn't know what to put? SoyokoAnis -  talk  13:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Anyone can make an edit request. Although you need to be clear about what change you want made e.g. pointing out a spelling mistake or requesting change x to y. - X201 (talk) 13:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @X201 Thank you! SoyokoAnis  -  talk  13:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Follow-up to WikiMedia Voting
Wikipedia is about sharing information which is publicly available but not given here, should we not contribute towards update? IndianVenture (talk) 07:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Should we not contribute towards updating what, IndianVenture? -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Many of your article changes have been reverted. Please study the need for reliable source referencing. David notMD (talk) 13:35, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Question on notability
A person had secured a fellowship from Indian Council of Agricultural Research (Ministry of Agriculture and Farmers Welfare) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Council_of_Agricultural_Research. He not only secured a fellowship but also ranked second in the Country (India).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) - I would like to know if this fellowship is enough to pass WP:NACADEMIC or not. A.Abraham.A (talk) 08:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It sounds like that passes criteria #3. –– FormalDude  talk  08:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * is the fellowship all that there is about him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LostCitrationHunter (talk • contribs) 08:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There is so much about him. Numerous medals 5 golds and 2 silver over 8 years at the All India Police Badminton Championships. 2 presidential medals for distinguished service etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.Abraham.A (talk • contribs) 09:13, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I am guessing this is about your desire to restore an article about a person named M. Ravi, with a history of being deleted back in February (see Articles for deletion/M. Ravi (2nd nomination)). An award such as the President's Police Medal can be a valid article, but this does not mean that everyone who ever received it (hundreds) are article-worthy. Same for a fellowship from Indian Council of Agricultural Research. Sports participation at a non-professional level does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Post a new Artist page on Wikipedia
Hello,

I am trying to create a new well known artist page, it's been a year I try using Wikipedia guidelines but I keep getting declined. Please let me know where i can send the article for review, before i try to publish it again. Thanks in advance Simplyalbania (talk) 08:56, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. You may simply click the "resubmit" button in the box at the top of your draft to resubmit it.  You must ensure that the subject meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable singer. 331dot (talk) 09:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Status: Draft:Olimpia Smajlaj declined twice in July, and creating editor has done no significant work on it since. The reviewers included their reasons why it was declined. Improve the draft before considering resubmitting. David notMD (talk) 13:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft review Maya Lasker-Wallfisch
Draft:Maya Lasker-Wallfisch ... I struggle to understand the issues with this article, as it cites several independent newspaper articles (naming the authors) plus public radio broadcasts and the event section of institutions like the Jewish museum and a holocaust center.... any ideas? Draft:Maya Lasker-Wallfisch Fu-Lank (talk) 08:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , to establish that the subject is notable, the draft will need to cite several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of her. Which three of the sources currently cited, in your opinion, best fulfil those criteria?  Maproom (talk) 09:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * #1 a radio feature on Deutschlandfunk Kultur (https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/maya-lasker-wallfisch-briefe-nach-breslau-die-grausame.950.de.html?dram:article_id=478394) (Germany's aequivalent of the BBC), #2 an article in weekly newspaper Der Freitag (https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/maya-lasker-wallfisch-briefe-nach-breslau-die-grausame.950.de.html?dram:article_id=478394) and #3 a review by MARTA KIJOWSKA on Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (25.07.2020), reprint here (https://www.buecher.de/shop/drittes-reich/briefe-nach-breslau/lasker-wallfisch-maya/products_products/detail/prod_id/57912916/ look for REZENSIONEN (=reviews), then click on 'mehr') Fu-Lank (talk) 10:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * reports what the subject has said, and so is not independent.
 * (assuming you meant to link to https://www.freitag.de/autoren/der-freitag/arbeit-am-trauma-1) reports what she has written, and so is not independent.
 * is a review of a book she has written. It does tell us about her, but only what the reviewer has learned from the book, so I don't think that counts as independent either. Maproom (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for finding the correct link and reading into the sources, but I still think there's a misunderstranding: The notability of the subject in my view is based on her being the author of a bestselling book (not based on the biographical details in that book). A book that was reviewed at length by at least two of the biggest german national newspapers (circulation/readers over 800,000), plus a weekly magazine, plus a radio feature on a public broadcast... all of these sources and the journalists behind the articles have no economic advantage from reporting (and certainly do a fair amount of fact checking according to the press code), so I still really struggle to classify these sources as "not independent". Plus the book was picked "book of the month" by a government institution (again without economic benefits, hence independent)... so the general question would be if the author of a book (biography or fictional) that was reviewed and recommended to well more than a million readers and radio listeners (by reputable media, not tabloid) does not qualifiy for a wp article? Is there a chance to get a few more people's opinion on that, as it would be the case with an article for deletion? Preferably admins who are familiar with German media and press landscape. I'd really appreciate that, thanks. Fu-Lank (talk) 08:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Two thoughts:
 * de:Wikipedia has an article de:Maya Lasker-Wallfisch. en:Wikiedia has a higher barrier to getting an article accepted than de:Wikipedia; but you maybe be able to find some useful sources, and other material, there.
 * Maybe her book Briefe nach Breslau is notable, even if by en:Wikipedia standards she isn't.
 * But I can't read German, so I can't really help you with this. Maproom (talk) 10:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I just looked up the notability guidelines and found these guidelines about Creative professionals:

Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals: The person has created […] a significant or well-known work […]. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of […] multiple independent periodical articles or reviews; ... ... As the article fulfills the above mentioned criteria, I still think it doesnt deserve being deleted. Fu-Lank (talk) 12:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm fluent in German, so I had not trouble reading the sources. I have accepted the article. Vexations (talk) 14:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Find a Grave
In looking through the archived discussions on Find a Grave, I understand that the content is not a reliable source for images, locations, dates, etc; and is frowned upon for inclusion as such. However, I've noticed countless listings under External Links along side IMDB, IBDB, etc. Is there a WP policy against including this here; or is it OK? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 05:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! The documentation at Template:Find a Grave has some helpful information.  GoingBatty (talk) 05:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Find a Grave is not considered a reliable source because it had no rigorous editorial control, contains user donated content, and many people with similar dates of birth and death share very similar names. Accordingly, it is both easy and incorrect to link to a John Jones Find a Grave listing for a man born in 1895 who died in 1957 because countless men with similar names died in that year and were born that year. On the other hand, some people have far more distinctive names and the information in the Find a Grave listing may identify the person decisively. This is a case where the source cannot be used to establish notability but, based on good editorial judgment, the source can be linked to with great caution. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging . <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * For the usability or not of Find a Grave, see WP:Perennial_sources; for ditto of IMDb, see WP:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources; for ditto of any other source of material that many editors are (rightly or wrongly) likely to cite, see the same page, WP:Perennial_sources, which lists the good, the bad and the execrable in alphabetical order. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hm. Not sure my question was understood. I understand Find a Grave should not be used as a source. I am simply asking: is there anything against placing it under External Links; as many WP articles do? Maineartists (talk) 11:31, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WP:EL content that is not suitable for inclusion can be added to an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy. I read that as; don't add external links to sites with known accuracy poblems. Vexations (talk) 11:45, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I read that entirely differently. For instance, an article that claims a certain birth date that is questionable will explain in length all the sources that cite different birth dates, including Find a Grave because there is an image of the gravestone. When referenced correctly, it is supported by the above: "content that is not suitable for inclusion can be added to an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy. I'm merely asking whether it is permissible to add it under External Links as so many articles on BPs do. It has nothing to do with sourcing, citing, reliability, etc within the article itself. Maineartists (talk) 12:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:Perennial_sources, to which I pointed you, Maineartists, says (But please read that in the original context.) What remains unclear? -- Hoary (talk) 12:53, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Pretty much everything. There is just too much gray area in this allowance. This basically opens up anyone to simply include it in the external links based on this offering. What image could possibly be not allowed on WP except the head / grave stone? Here: WP:FINDAGRAVE-EL it states: rarely - "Sometimes, a link is acceptable because of a specific, unique feature or information that is not available elsewhere, such as valuable images of a grave". When is a grave a valuable image? It would seem this allowance has several loopholes that are not clear and can easily be misinterpreted. Allowing most anyone to simply include it in the external link section under this allowance. Maineartists (talk) 14:27, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging If I read your latest puzzlement correctly, I think the answer would be something like this.  You can go and take a picture of a grave, upload it (properly annotated) to Wikimedia, then include it in an article where it's relevant.  But a photograph on Find a Grave is probably not one you took (or you would just upload your photograph).  So adding it to Wikipedia would be a copyright violation.  Uporządnicki (talk) 14:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:Academic and my draft
Hello everyone. I had created a draft which was moved to draft because it didn't have reliable sources. Drafts is this Draft:B Unnikrishnan (Academic). I was also asked to check criteria for academics. One of that is highly cited academic work. Check work here. There are many pages of academics that are short and don't have reliable sources. So why not this one? The person has papers that have even more than 500 citations. Why this discrimination? Mtpos (talk) 14:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! There are many articles that do not meet Wikipedia's current guidelines (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), and you're welcome to improve them.  It's possible to demonstrate that a person meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for academics in a short article (e.g. member/fellow of a prestigious scholarly society, named chair).  Which of the criteria does Unnikrishnan meet?  Also, could you please fix the link in reference #1?  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You listed four journal articles for which he is one of scores of co-authors. That does nothing to confirm his notability. There need to be references that have content at length about him. David notMD (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * GoingBatty, The guidelines is saying (a) The most typical way of satisfying Criterion 1 is to show that the academic has been an author of highly cited academic work – either several extremely highly cited scholarly publications or a substantial number of scholarly publications with significant citation rates. As seen from their google scholar, they have been cited for around 6000 times. The top two articles are cited more than 500 times! See here No where in this academic guideline it is written that there should be in length content about the academic. Anyhow, if everyone feel it is not sufficient, let's just delete it. I can not keep working on just one article and worrying about it all the time. There is so much more that I can do here. Mtpos (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Your draft doesn't seem to show that his work has been highly cited, but I'm confident you could add it and then submit the draft for review.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Factual changes to the BDR Thermea page
Good day

I work for a communications agency in Amsterdam that provides BDR Thermea with content support from time to time. I have noticed that much of the information on the BDR Thermea page is outdated and inaccurate. I have written some revised text, which has been approved by the head of communications at BDR Thermea. Now I would like to make these changes / edits. Please advise how I can do this correctly / folllowing the right community guidelines.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards Tracy Melass TracyMelass (talk) 08:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I've left a message on your talk page with some helpful information. In short, you may propose changes on talk pages (by using the template), or by posting a note at the COI noticeboard, so that they can be peer reviewed. –– FormalDude   talk  09:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @TracyMelass, hello and welcome to Wikipedia! And thanks for asking first. What you want may not be done quickly or at all, but some of it may. BDR Thermea is not a very good article, but that is common on WP.
 * You should not edit the article directly yourself (see WP:COI and WP:PAID), but you are welcome to suggest changes and sources at the article talkpage, Talk:BDR Thermea. Sources should preferably be WP:RS independent of your company, but WP:ABOUTSELF sources can be used to some extent. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * When you post on Talk:BDR Thermea, I suggest you take it slowly, as some editors may respond better to making a small change than a large rewrite.  Start with posting your most important change with a reliable source.  When that change has been made, then post your second most important suggestion.  This will take longer, but hopefully will be more successful for you.  Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

BG colour
How do I add a Background Colour to my userpage? <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"> Peter Ormond &#128172;  10:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! There is a lot of information at User page design center/Style.  You may also want to review the source for user pages that you like, and use components of it as an inspiration for your page.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

How to create project page for an editathon?
Hi, I’m a new user but have been asked to create a Wiki project page for a local editathon event at my university. Despite looking at the existing resources, it’s not clear to me how to create a project page. Could anyone offer clear steps or give instructions on how to get it started? 2600:6C44:1A3F:E5D9:11A1:64D7:51B5:B90F (talk) 13:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't have pages, for it is not a social media platform, it is an encyclopedia of articles about notable events that would be of interest to those outside of a local area. Please read WP:FIRST for help in creating your first article, WP:COI about declaring a conflict of interest, and WP:NOT for information on what Wikipedia is not. Then decide if the editathon is a notable event with at least 3 good references not associated with your University. Newspaper articles that aren't press releases would be good.
 * Start writing the article draft, adding a reference for every fact you include, and submit the draft for review. You'll need to be patient during the review process, for it can take a couple of months for a volunteer reviewer to get to your article. Best wishes on your first Wikipedia article draft. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you've misunderstood the request here. They're asking about creating a project, not an article. I'm assuming they mean a WikiProject, in which case the guidance for creating one is found at WikiProject Council/Guide. I hope that helps.&#32;-- Fyrael (talk) 15:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also just feel it's worth pointing out that Wikipedia in fact has many pages of many varieties. We're on a page right now. Articles are one type of page, but many others exist.&#32;-- Fyrael (talk) 15:22, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There's lots of good information at How to run an edit-a-thon. It appears that you would create a page in the "Wikipedia" space, not a new WikiProject. Happy editing!

GoingBatty (talk) 15:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

What should be the title?
I want to translate fr:Théâtre d'Orléans but an article with the same name but different topic exists in English Wikipedia (Théâtre d'Orléans). So what should I name the translation of this French article? "Théâtre d'Orléans (France)"? Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 15:21, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You could try Théâtre d'Orléans (France) (as already linked in Centre national de création d'Orléans), and add a hatnote on Théâtre d'Orléans stating "For the theatre in France, see Théâtre d'Orléans (France)". GoingBatty (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I qualify, what is the criteria to have a song I wrote added to or included on the Wikipedia page for; 'Lists of Songs that Reference Elvis Presley'?
I'm a little confused! Another contributor offered a comment that there are no defined criteria for inclusion on the 'List of Songs Referencing Elvis Presley' on the Wikipedia page? I'll defer to your expertise! So, how does one get added or qualify for inclusion to that page? Who decides that? I see no rules or qualifiers? Can I just edit the page myself and add my song? (I own ALL RIGHTS and the (C), and I don't think it has been used in any of the venues you mentioned, is that one of the criteria?)  I'm not really sure how it works. I did have it listed a few years ago, but for some reason, unknown to me, it is no longer there? Thank you. I look forward to your advice and comments. Surayabay (talk) 15:24, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * When you have a question, ask it at the Help desk or the Teahouse, but not both. Since you've already asked this question at Help desk, let's keep the conversation there.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Machine translations
From other wiki - are they counted as copyright violations? What are our policies on that? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * As long as attribution is provided it's fine—you can use edit summaries to note that the content was translated from the source article. Translation is a good point of reference here. Just remember that a machine translation should really be the starting point rather than the end result; if the sources are available it may be better to try writing afresh by consulting them with the aid of a translator. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

4121
1.47.132.124 (talk) 14:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello IP and welcome to The Teahouse! Did you have a question you wanted to ask? I'd also like to say that you should take the advice given in the warning on your talk page. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#6545 14:40, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Please avoid starting new threads unless you have a valid question. You would be wasting volunteer's time. Thanks and welcome to the teahouse. Signed,Pichemist (Talk) 17:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Hamburgerona
Hi, I wanted to inform you that this draft written in italian by an ip is a hoax and I think that it meets the criteria of speedy deletion. The text says: "Hamburgerona is a famous athlete that took part at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics representing Taipei. Hamburgerona excels in almost all disciplines and sure enough she will allow Taipei's coach Gianmarco "Toccus" Tocco to receive many lists (?)" The elements that made me understand that this is false are: the lack of source, the fact that Gianmarco Tocco is the real name of an Italian twitch streamer, better known as Blur (I discovered this two days ago) and the inexistence of this athlete (I searched it on Google and videos related to Blur came up). Should this draft be deleted immediately or no? Thanks, Bloomingbyungchan (talk) 17:08, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * hoaxes fall under WP:G3. If you feel the article is a blatant hoax then tag it with and an admin will take a look and delete it if they agree. Mjroots (talk) 17:44, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Thanks for the heads up! I have tagged the draft for speedy deletion so that an admin can review it. –FlyingAce✈hello 17:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bloomingbyungchan I took a look, found nothing about this 'famous' person, except video games. Draft was probably created by a sockpuppet, and I've now deleted it. Good spot. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC)