Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 116

Using eBooks for a reference
I've been using one eBook: Rory Gallagher His Life and Times for a lot of references (its the only book I've found on the guitarist). There is a field I'm not sure of the meaning on and want to check. On most Kindle books there is a page number and a location displayed at the bottom. But on this eBook there is only something called "Loc" displayed. I've been assuming that the Location field in a book reference corresponds to LOC displayed in the book but I'm starting to wonder if that is correct. I'm editing an article right now and something odd happened that I don't understand. Right now in my sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdebellis/sandbox  I have a new version of the article on his first album. I have two references to the same book one with Location = 836 and one with Location a few virtual pages further = 844. But Wikipedia seems to have merged the two references and only uses the initial Location 836. (BTW, it may seem like overkill to have two references so close together in the article but I'm planning on adding more text and other refs in between.) Just want to check to make sure the right way to document this.

One other thing there are 3 different ISBN numbers listed on the cover page of the book, EPUB eBook, mobi eBook, and Cased ISBN-13. Does it matter which I use? Mdebellis (talk) 18:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there Mdebellis. Sounds like you're doing some very diligent referencing! It's really appreciated; as Oscar Wilde would have said had he been a Wikipedian "You can never be overdressed or overreferenced."
 * Now your problem is occurring as you are using the same "name" for both references, i.e. you have    at the start of both. Try changing one to something like    and it should come up as two separate things. As an addendum to that, there is a more advanced ways to reference different pages in the same work twice - for example look at how Oscar Wilde has a References section listing source books, and a citations section for inline citations with page numbers. However this sort of very formal citing is a little harder to learn and not required, so don't worry about it if you'd prefer to spend your efforts elsewhere.
 * As for your ISBN, I think any of them would allow your source to be identified, which is the main thing. I don't believe Wikipedia has a preference.
 * Hope all that helps! Let us know if there's anything more you need. Thanks for improving Wikipedia! :) --LukeSurlt c 20:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. I've been naming refs just for completeness but then I sometimes get lazy and just copy the entire reference and make changes to the page number in the text. I'm still curios about the "Location" field though. As I thought about this some more I think that probably refers to "Location" where it was published(?) so I've been doing it wrong. Perhaps I should just use the page number field and make it the LOC number? I was worried it would seem weird since those numbers go into the thousands. Or perhaps use the page number an put (Loc) in parens or something? Mdebellis (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I did some looking and yes, "location" is for publication location. The relevant documentation can be found at Template:Cite_book. Annoyingly the complexities of ebooks aren't covered well in the documentation. Here's my suggestion: replace location=844, with at=eBook location: 844
 * For example   produces:
 * --LukeSurlt c 21:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! thanks! Mdebellis (talk) 21:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, because of your question I've started an eBooks-related discussion at Help_talk:Citation_Style_1, hopefully in order to get the cite-book template and/or its documentation adjusted to better cope with eBooks. If you'd like to add your perspective to that discussion it would be very welcome. --LukeSurlt c 21:59, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I will definitely check it out and add what I can. Mdebellis (talk) 22:26, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * i just wanted to document where I ended up in case anyone else has the same confusion. So I was making a pretty dumb mistake as I think about it in hindsight. The "Location" field in a book reference is for the place it was published not the "Location" in an eBook the ref is citing. As I was thinking about the various alternatives (e.g. create a new fields called ePub location or add the number plus some annotation in the page field) it occurred to me that (as I often do) I was probably over thinking the problem. From the standpoint of a data modeller there already is not a one to one correspondence between the page number, book and the actual location in the text. Even with a regular page number you need to know what edition, hardcover or soft, large print or regular, etc. So really eBooks (at least I'm thinking now) should be no different. I'm just using the "Loc" as a page number and relying on people to know it refers to the Location in an eBook just the way they would have to figure out with a page reference which edition, etc. was used. I'm updating the refs I messed up (luckily not many, glad I checked) accordingly. I'm still monitoring the discussion though in case the Wki Gods find a wiser and more just solution :) Mdebellis (talk) 12:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Creating Articles for deletion
What will you do when you create Wikipedia Articles for deletion? WisconsinBoyClevelandRocks228844 (talk) 02:59, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, WBCR. The procedures are explained at WP:AFD and WP:GTD. These procedures can be a bit tricky, so be sure you follow them carefully. I have participated in over 1500 deletion debates. Feel free to ask more specific follow-up questions.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:14, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

How do you change an Image Name?
I uploaded an image several weeks ago and was devastated to discover today that I had named it incorrectly. should actually be named James Hill and Anne Janelle conducting a workshop.jpg. Can I, or someone else, change it?

The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Only users with File mover rights can move files (that is mostly administrators and a few regular editors who have asked ever-so-nicely). You can send a bat-signal to them using the template. Instructions on using that are on File mover --LukeSurlt c 19:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, LukeSurl! The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 19:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ - image now at File:James Hill and Anne Janelle conducting a workshop.jpg. The image description will need to be corrected too.--ukexpat (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, ukexpat! The description was actually correct. The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 19:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Font color
Hi,

I was trying to change the font-color of the two bottom signatures here, and despite using the exact same shortcut before, it will not work. Could someone tell me what is wrong please?

Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 17:00, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Matty, please clarify which font color and background color you are trying to set in the two signatures. As far as I can tell the version at the time of your post shows the background colours specified in the wiki source. None of them specify a font colour so it defaults to black. Note that the first argument to fontcolour is the font colour and the second argument is the background colour. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Template questions
In this template Template:Chital Macher Muitha/sandbox, how can I change the condition not to show if =nothing, i.e. someone does not write a personalized message. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 16:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome back to the Teahouse . I think what you are looking for is  (which I have done for you).  The more complicated all inclusive coding that you could use would be something like   but that may be overkill. Technical 13 (talk) 16:42, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Senior Editors, help please
There is a section about a girl's (probable rape and) murder that I added in an institute's article. I have cited media articles to verify its authenticity. I have also taken due care to make the section as neutral as possible. This murder is no common one as it involves the institute's administration as well as its chairman. The section is included at the end of this post.

My problem is that a user called Detrainman keeps removing it giving different reasons each time. I know most of you after reading this will feel that it is just another question about an edit war but trust me, it isn't.

I feel that he either is one of those in the institute's administration or a student.

He says, "It is news-worthy for the people in Agra (for sometime)." He adding "for sometime" in his comment on the talk page clearly proves that he is insensitive to heinous crimes such as murder and rape and wants to hide this matter. Once, he even said this section was "not worthy of being mentioned" on the institute's page despite the seriousness of the issue. He says that I don't understand the difference between "a wiki and a newspaper " when he himself doesn't understand what a wiki is. He also implies that heinous murders like this one are common and not something that should be added to Wikipedia.

I need help from senior editors in this matter. What should I do? Go in an edit war with him or let the truth be hidden.

The pages to which I added this section were http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayalbagh and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayalbagh_Educational_Institute

Here is the section I added:-

Some citations are of Hindi newspapers. I could translate them if needed.

Neha Sharma Murder case

On 15th March 2013, 27 year old PhD. scholar Neha Sharma, daughter of a retired Air Force officer was found murdered in the Nano-BioTechnology lab of the institute. Her car was found abandoned about a kilometer away from the institute. In the following days, many students in Agra protested against the act. Agra police initially suspected sexual assault, however the doctors who did her post-mortem did not examine her body for sexual assault. Media reports suggest that they were pressurized to not do this. During the investigation, Agra police repeatedly claimed in front of the media that the Dayalbagh administration was hiding something. On 24th April 2013, police arrested Udai Swaroop, a B.Sc student of the institute and grandson of DEI chairman Prem Kumar, a retired senior administrative officer, and DEI lab technician Yashvir Sandhu. Media reports suggest that Prem Kumar used his political contacts to hinder the investigation. Media reports also suggest that Dayalbagh's guru knew of the murder and used his influence over the followers of his faith to keep the truth from coming out. Media reports claim that Dayalbagh's administration tried to destroy evidence on the crime scene and had plans to dump Neha's body in the bushes of Lalgarhi to hide the murder.

AgraNewsObserver (talk) 15:00, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I have collapsed the disputed text as it is unnecessary to repeat it here. First, there are no "senior editors", we work things out by attempting to reach a consensus with other users. To that end, you have not responded to the other editor's attempts to discuss this on the relevant talk pages. In any event, if the disputed text is appropriate, and I make no judgement about that, it should not be in both articles.--ukexpat (talk) 15:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I would talk to the editor in question and ask him to axplain himsellf, and I would also bring the matter to the attention of the administrators, at administrators noticeboard. Lee Tru.  15:52, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It is a content dispute the moment and does not require admin intervention, it requires discussion.--ukexpat (talk) 16:29, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Tried to reason with him on the talk page. Will contact admins if needed.AgraNewsObserver (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As Ukexpat has said, administrators will not get involved in a content dispute, so contacting them is a pointless exercise. If you can't reach an agreement on the article talk page then you need to investigate other forms of Dispute resolution.  Personally I don't think the additions you are proposing are notable yet as they all seem to be based on media speculation.  If people are charged and a cover up comes out in court then it may well be notable but not just yet. NtheP (talk) 18:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You can see my response here:- Talk:Dayalbagh Educational Institute & Talk:Dayalbagh AgraNewsObserver (talk) 18:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You should keep the discussion on one page so that all the comments can be read together.--ukexpat (talk) 19:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Please tell me the way to improve my article.
Hello. I just wonder how to correct my article. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DickPunks I tried to put the all the reference as possible as i can. But it couldn't be passed. I don't know why.. Please tell me how i have to.Shimdohee (talk) 14:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse . I would suggest asking the reviewers that have declined your article first.  If that does not provide an adequate answer, you might want to ask on the AFC talk page.  Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello . I am the user who most recently reviewed Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DickPunks. My reasons for the decline weren't that I doubted the factual accuracy of any of the content there. It was that I was not sure that DickPunks meet Wikipedia's citerea for notability for musicians. The sources independent of the band which I read seemed not to suggest the band were sufficiently important. Clearly the most significant thing the band have done to date is achieve 2nd place in Superstar K4. It's a borderline case, but I felt this was not sufficient for inclusion as a full article. LukeSurlt c 15:29, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I see that in the Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DickPunks article you have written that they have participated in festivals. Announcements of upcoming lineups for festivals don't carry much weight, but sometimes local newspapers carry reports or reviews about what actually happened at the festivals.  If you can find a couple of these which discuss the group it would go a long way toward demonstrating that this is a notable band.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:52, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a special help page just for editors who are creating new articles at WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. If you ask questions about your article there, you will get responses from editors who review new articles frequently.  You can also see the advice given to other editors who are creating new articles. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 18:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

how to create new article
how to create new arcticle in wikipedia, can u send me the details about this ? Santhoanbros (talk) 07:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Santhoanbros; welcome to the Teahouse. I'd suggest using the Article Wizard. It will give you step-by-step instructions on how to create a page, and will put your work up for review by experienced editors when you're finished. You might also want to read Your First Article for guidance. If you run into any specific problems, this is the venue to bring them to; we'll try and help wherever we can. Best of luck! Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

do i need a malayalam key board to create new articles in malayalam wiki?
i wish to create new articles in malayalam wiki.for this do i require a malayalam language key board?117.217.237.148 (talk) 04:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC) However, if the Malayalam Unicode Fonts for displaying Malayalam letters are not installed in your computer, then you should download it. ml:Help:To Read in Malayalam explains it in detail and gives link to download the required fonts. (Can you read this: താങ്കൾക്ക് ഇത് വായിക്കാമോ?, if you can, then you have the fonts already.) Also please consider creating an account (it is free), as it will help you in editing. See Why create an account? for more details. Regards. ···V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 08:39 & 08:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think not, once you login to malaylim wiki, you can find this image on your talk page. Using this code, you can edit/write articles.-- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 05:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As, Vigyani said, a Malayalam keyboard is not needed for typing Malayalam. mw:Universal Language Selector has been enabled in Malayalam Wikipedia, allowing you to type not just in Malayalam, but also in numerous other languages. (learn more) It can be used even if you are not logged in. If for some reasons, the Language Selector is not working in your computer, you can use varamozhi to type Malayalam and the copy paste it to the edit box.

Unreferenced article
affdww (AfadsBad (talk) 22:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)) AfadsBad (talk) 22:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

This was a "playing around" edit. Your question form says "On Wikipedia, you should sign all of your posts by ending them with four tildes (AfadsBad (talk) 22:41, 18 June 2013 (UTC))."

But what you mean is you HAVE TO SIGN or you cannot post.

Since this page is for beginners, it would be nice to say you HAVE to include your signature or you CANNOT post rather than letting beginners sit there not understanding why they cannot post. I put four tildas in first, then I saw the parentheses and added them, not realizing until I came back to play that that was the reason I could not post, so I posted my question at the help desk, where beginners need fewer skills to post! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AfadsBad (talk • contribs) 22:41, 18 June 2013‎ (UTC)
 * Nothing stops you from posting to talk pages without the signature, but it is polite to include it, and it makes it easier for others to follow the discussion. In many cases, if you neglect to include the signature a bot will come along and add a note with your name and the time of the post.--Srleffler (talk) 02:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * AfadsBad is right. When you use "Ask a question" button above, you can not post question without signatures. One can however use the normal editing procedure, which a beginner may not know. Maybe we should change it.-- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ  05:56, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That seems very odd... I could see the rationale behind automatically appending the signiature (provided the last 4 characters aren't 4~), but not of requiring it outright MChesterMC (talk) 12:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * User:AfadsBad has been blocked as a sockpuppet, no need to discuss further.--ukexpat (talk) 14:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Reflinks tool and citation bars in the article I'm trying to get rid of
hello! I'm new here and this is my first time editing anything so apologies if this is stupid, but I couldn't figure this out. The article [Rohmir] I'm trying to edit has two bars which say "This article uses bare URLs for citations. Please consider adding full citations so that the article remains verifiable. Several templates and the Reflinks tool are available to assist in formatting. (Reflinks documentation) (June 2013)" and another which says "This article has not been added to any categories. Please help out by adding categories to it so that it can be listed with similar articles. (June 2013)". Could somebody be kind enough to help me get rid of them please? Thanks! Hildevert (talk) 19:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Hildevert! Those templates aren't automatically generated by the software, they are added and removed by editors like you or I. To remove them, edit the page and cut out all the code that says, and  . Cheers! --LukeSurlt c 19:29, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it certainly seems that the article Rohmir no longer has bare URLs and also has categories, so it's time for the tags to go! &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Brilliant!! thanks to you both very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hildevert (talk • contribs) 20:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Review and deletion of a warning notice
I refer to the article 'Keith Johnson (author)' it has warning notice at the top saying that its neutrality is questionable, it needs more references and the subkect of the article has questionable academic status. All these points have been answered on the article's talk page. How do you get the warning notice removed Dvdwllm (talk) 19:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Dvdwllm once you have fixed all the issues described in the notice boxes, you may remove the tags on the page, the tags look like:  Or  just delete them.  Prabash.  Akmeemana   19:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * But please explain why you have deleted them in your edit summary and/or on the article's talk page.--ukexpat (talk) 19:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Translate
I've tried to translate articles to Spanish which is the only language I know (other than english), like I've said I already tried, I followed instructions, but it didn't work, I just joined Wikipedia, so I realy, really, R-E-E-EALLY don't understand how it works.

So please, help me to help! AleGraves (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't want to read/write articles in Spanish, I want to translate, according to instructions I have to go to the "edit" section of the article, which I've already done, but ii didn't work, so, is there another way to translate them?

AleGraves (talk) 20:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * AleGraves are you translating English articles directly into Spanish or are you translating English articles into Spanish for the Spanish Wikipedia? Prabash.  Akmeemana   21:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, AleGraves. Have you read Translate us? This explains the procedures for translating articles from this English Wikipedia to the Spanish Wikipedia. Please be aware that though these are related projects, both sponsored by the Wikimedia Foundation, they are entirely separate websites. User: Miss Bono also works on translating from English articles to Spanish. Feel free to ask additional questions.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  22:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I took a look at your edit history, AleGraves, and it seems that you were trying to translate the article here on English Wikipedia on Guantánamo Bay into Spanish. Any translations into Spanish should go onto the Spanish Wikipedia. I notice that Spanish Wikipedia already has a similar article Base Naval de la Bahía de Guantánamo. So, please let us know what you are trying to accomplish, and we will try to help you. Thank you.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  22:56, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Please review User:FGuerino/The International Foundation for Information Technology (IF4IT)
Hi,

A few weeks ago, I received some very good feedback from a number of community members, including Jayron32 who provided some very pointed advice about how to write for an encyclopedia. I've been working to address all feedback and clean up the article, ever since.

The majority of the feedback was about making specific areas of the article more neutral and about reordering certain pieces of the article.

Given the attempted cleanup, I think I'm ready to resubmit the article for review to the community members, again. If you could please review and provide any corrections, feedback, or ideas you might have.

It's located at: User:FGuerino/The International Foundation for Information Technology (IF4IT).

Thanks for any help you can offer. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

My Best,

Frank FGuerino (talk) 18:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the inquiry. Please see the blue box at the top of the page that starts with "This is not a Wikipedia article: It is an....."  at the end of that box it says "Finished? Submit the page!".  Click on that link.  Regards, Ariconte (talk) 19:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Ariconte
 * Thanks for the quick response.
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by FGuerino (talk • contribs) 22:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) To what blue box at the top of which specific page are you referring to? I've checked my user and talk pages, your user and talk pages, as well the WP:42 page that you referred me to and not one of them seems to have a blue box at the top with the text you're speaking of.
 * 2) I also took a detailed look at WP:42, as you suggested, and it is a vague page with many different topics. Were you referring to anything specific on that page or were you just throwing the whole blob out there as a catch all?
 * Thanks, FGuerino (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, FGuerino (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, FGuerino (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Frank. He's talking about the page itself, the one you linked to. --ColinFine (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

External links in movie article
I'm doing a new article for the Rory Gallagher biography Ghost Blues. I was thinking of putting two external links on the article: 1) A link to the starting video of a complete set on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z3ule2Ugbg   2) A link to Netflix video on demand for the movie:  http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/70229056?strkid=788371086_0_0&trkid=222336&movieid=70229056

However, I'm not sure if I should. On the Youtube link those links can change, especially if the video gets yanked for copyright reasons (also unless I'm sure that the person that posted it on Youtube had rights to do so perhaps I shouldn't post a link from Wikipedia?). On the Netflix link I thought it might be implying support for a business via Wikipedia. Other things being equal thinking as an end user coming to this page the first thing I would like to know is if and where I can watch the movie preferably for free so thought it would be useful if allowable.

Also, the draft of the article with links is in my Sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdebellis/sandbox    Mdebellis (talk) 16:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I highly do not recommend YouTube links as references, like other social networks it is not reliable, what I suggest to you is to read WP:42 before adding those links. Prabash.  Akmeemana   17:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, we do not permit links to material that is in violation of copyright, see WP:ELNO.--ukexpat (talk) 18:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't think my question was clear. I'm not using Youtube as a reference. I'm not saying "Joe said Ghost Blues was an awesome movie!" and then linking to his Youtube clip. I'm using these (maybe) as External Links, places where you can find the actual subject of the article. So in this case the Article is about the movie "Ghost Blues:The Story of Rory Gallagher" and the external links are to a youtube video of that movie and a Netflix online video of that movie. Also, I realize we can't use things that violate copyright the issue is with a Youtube video you can't always be sure. They have been doing a much better job of purging things that violate copyright and most of the stuff there now has been posted by people with the right to do so but not always, at least in my experience. Mdebellis (talk) 18:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * IMHO not appropriate per WP:ELNO and WP:YOUTUBE: Netlflix links because you need a NF account to view the video, the link is of no use if you do not have an account; and YouTube, for the reasons set out at WP:YOUTUBE.--ukexpat (talk) 18:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, thanks, I will leave off both external links. Mdebellis (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

What does this mean?
"Jeepers". I found it in an article and wanted to translate it into Spanish. need help!  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  14:14, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's used to express surprise, disbelief etc. a euphemism for "Jesus Christ" Hope that helps.Theroadislong (talk) 14:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Miss Bono is this on the Spanish encyclopedia? I have alternate word: "increíble", I think that would be more suitable Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You may think it is more suitable but that is NOT what the word "jeepers" means?Theroadislong (talk) 14:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The original expression says: 'jeepers, where has he gone now?'  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  14:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * So in that case '"increíble" would be a good way to replace the word jeepers, unless it is from a quote, then it is best to keep the word the way it is. Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It is for translation. I was thinking about she said that as 'Jesus,...where has he gone now'. the English for Icreíble is Indcredible.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  14:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * My spanish is not good at all :P, but I guess Jesus seems a better translation. Prabash.  Akmeemana   14:56, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Theroadislong, would it be ok to translate it this way: "Cielos, dónde se ha metido?". can you use Google translation to see if the results come close to the "jeepers" thing?? Miss Bono   (zootalk)  14:59, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That translates as "Gosh, where is she?" Theroadislong (talk) 15:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Theroadislong, do you think that counts as Jeepers?? I knew that people used to say Gosh instead of God sometimes.   Miss Bono   (zootalk)  15:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not quite as cool! but close.Theroadislong (talk) 15:14, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks. I'll see what I can do  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  15:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Replacing current photo with another
A friend asked me to help replace a photo on Wikipedia. It is of a certain well-known person who simply wishes to replace the rather goofy - and out of date! - photo that is theer at present with one more up to date and acceptable to the man himself. Can anyone tell me how to go about this? And what verification do I need to provide re copyright/righst etc? Thanks Picknick99 (talk) 14:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Picknick99, welcome to the Teahouse. Uploading a new image isn't difficult but the information needed is this
 * Where did you get the photo from?
 * Who took the photo?
 * Does the copyright holder (often the photographer) agree to releasing the image under a Creative Commons licence? (there is a form of words at WP:CONSENT that can be used for this)
 * Please note that the consent has to come from the copyright holder who more likely than not is NOT the subject of the photo unless the photo was a work for hire and the subject has acquired the copyright.
 * Armed with all this information you can upload the image at File Upload Wizard. Please ask again if any of this doesn't make sense. NtheP (talk) 14:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

advantages of accounting
27.7.6.3 (talk) 11:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello. I'm not sure what you mean by "accounting" (which means to give an explanation, often used in the financial sphere), but if maybe you are asking about the advantages of signing up for an account, then please see Why create an account?. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:55, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I apologize if I'm misunderstanding your question but if you are perhaps asking a general question about the concept of "Accounting" i.e., why do businesses need it, etc. the Teahouse is for questions about Wikipedia editing. You can ask general questions like "what is the value of accounting for a business" at the reference desk here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk  Mdebellis (talk) 22:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Can I decide that 'heading'?
I know that pages in wikipedia are grouped by namespaces. Besides them, there is another distinct heading-like thing on all different types of pages like article, project page, help page, and etc. What do we call this heading? Do all pages of one namespace have the same 'heading'?(At least on wikibooks, this is not so. How are then they decided?)Jazzy Prinker (talk) 09:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I refer to them as Tabs. Yes, most of the pages have a consistent set of tabs across the top.  Several of them simply activate scripts, such as the Edit, Move or Watch tab (which changes to Unwatch when you activate it) which puts it on your watchlist.The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 13:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Templates: New story... Coming soon on theatres
Hi guys!! I wanted to know how can i create my own templates...  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * To physically create it, just go to Template:MissBonosnewtemplate (I assume you'd rename!) and create as you would an article. LukeSurlt c 14:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * What do you want to create for templates ? All the userboxes you made are in essence, templates.  Would you like to go through my training to learn how to become t-3-c (proficient in conditional templates)? If so, I'll push that project up a little as  is also interested in it. Technical 13 (talk) 14:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * May I also offer a word of caution - there are hundreds, maybe even thousands, of templates on Wikipedia. If your an idea for a template is an obvious one, it may already exist.--ukexpat (talk) 14:54, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok... I just wanted to know, just in case.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Ultimate particle
Which is the ultimate subatomic particle known? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benisonpanthaplackal (talk • contribs) 10:32, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Benisonpanthaplackal. You might be better off asking this at the Reference Desk - most of us here know more about Wikipedia than we do about particle physics. It might also be a good idea to define "ultimate" in your question - do you mean largest, heaviest, wierdest, most likely to give you superpowers if ingested... or something else? Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Ultimate particle means the smallest particle into which matter can be divided.BenisonPBaby 04:15, 21 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benisonpanthaplackal (talk • contribs)
 * There is no single such particle. See fundamental particle and Standard model for some of them.  -- Jayron  32  04:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

How do I respond to another user
I am trying to respond to two users who have sent me conflicting information about fixing the article I'm working on. Where is this done? PacifiCali650 (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi PC650. If an editor has contacted you on your talkpage it is best to reply there to keep the conversation in one place. If it on an article talkpage also reply at the same place. We start with a colon to indent the reply for clarity. The other editor will be watching the page and see that you have replied.--Charles (talk) 20:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * PacifiCali650, if you think that the person you are trying to answer hasn't seen your message, you can leave a "talkback" message on his or her talk page. To find out how to use these messages, check out:Template:Talkback. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you mean replying to myself and the other editor who replied to you further down this page (I don't see our advice as conflicting, incidentally), then you click Edit alongside the section heading for that section, and then write your reply with the appropriate number of : characters for indenting at the start of it, then sign your comment with four tildes, then enter your Edit Summary, then click Save Page. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Can you Help me with a Page?
I just Created a page Camp Creek, Tennessee and need some help adding some stuff. Jesus Lover0000 (talk) 19:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Jesus Lover0000; the first thing you should add are some references to reliable sources. If there was a tornado at Camp Creek, there must be some news articles about this incident.  You can add the name of each newspaper, the date, and the title of the story to your article to confirm the information.  I've added a television reference for you.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok thank you Anne Jesus Lover0000 (talk) 20:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Citing a reference
I am a new contributor and am still finding my way around. I am adding to the San Mateo, California article and I've noticed that my references at the end are not like the original ones. My references are not colored light blue to where you can open them. What am I doing wrong? Ron Wick PacifiCali650 (talk) 18:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ron, welcome to the Teahouse. To get web URLs to link to they have to enclosed in single [ ] brackets. If you add those to all your references that should solve your problem.  However it is preferred that something more than a bare URL is use and a title as well would be the minimum expected.  To do this you use   url, space, then title, all within the [ ] brackets to produce BBC.  Hope this helps. NtheP (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ron, you've also duplicated a lot of material and sections within that article, so that the Table of Contents, for example, looks like this:

16 Notable residents 17 See also 18 References 19 Further reading 20 External links 21 Other services 22 Prominent places 23 Media 24 Sister cities 25 Notable residents 26 See also 27 References 28 Further reading 29 External links


 * This needs fixing. Articles only need one References section, one External Links section, one See Also section, and one Further Reading section, not two of each. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

References issues
I normally don't come to the Teahouse for help, being a host and all, but I think you might be able to help me in this case better than the village pump. I've been trying to fix up my first article, Bluetongue Lizard (mythology). This includes fixing references. I'm trying to add the "accessdate" parameter to the Mythology of the World reference. I've tried everything that I can, but it won't add "Retrieved 27 May 2011" to the end of the reference. Would somebody please try to help add this? ö  Brambleberry   of   RiverClan  14:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Brambleberry of RiverClan. I added a url parameter to the reference (the url links to the book's Google Books entry), which for some reason caused the accessdate to appear. King Jakob  C2 15:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * To the best of my understanding, the access date is used mainly with web sites, because their contents can change from day to day, so someone might click on the link later and the information would be gone. Books don't have this problem, and are usually the same no matter when you open them, so book references don't really need an access date, although it doesn't do any harm.  (If I'm wrong about this, someone please correct me.) &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 15:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

need to rename an article
I just created a new article but I think I need to rename it. I've never renamed an article so wanted to double check before I do it to make sure I'm following the proper process. The new article is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Tour_1974  There was already a dead link to it on this page:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Palmer_(director)  so I started the page by clicking on that link and then letting it create the stub for me to which I pasted the article I had developed in my sandbox. The problem I realized after doing this is the name for the movie is just "Irish_Tour_1974" and there is already an article for the double live music album that came out with the movie called "Irish_Tour_'74" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Tour_%2774 to me its confusing to have two articles called "Irish Tour '74" and "Irish Tour 1974". The actual name of the film and album is "Irish Tour '74" so my proposed change is to rename the film article: "Irish Tour '74(Film)". My understanding is to do that I click on the little drop down arrow up near the top and choose "Move". I assume it will prompt me for the new name. Will it fix that link and any other links? Is there any problem with changing the name of an article that has just been created? Anything I am getting wrong or should also be doing? thanks in advance. Mdebellis (talk) 14:45, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome back to the Teahouse, Mdebellis! Normally you would have to file a move request, but since you are the only editor of said page, you can just move it. I recommend that the proper article title be Irish Tour '74 (film) instead of Irish Tour '74(Film), as the former meets the Manual of Style. Happy editing! ö   Brambleberry   of   RiverClan  14:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Did that. I need to remember to check the MOS more often. As a favorite math teacher of mine used to say "when all else fails read the directions" :)  Mdebellis (talk)
 * I renamed the page and I'm in the process of checking/updating any links. One other point, its just a few minutes since I renamed the page and the new name doesn't show up when I use the Link gadget in the editing tools. I start to type in what should give "Irish Tour '74 (Film)" as a possible completion and I don't see it. I'm assuming that there is some back end process that updates these things and it takes some time (?) but just wanted to document it in case this means I did something wrong. Mdebellis (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I typed in "Irish Tour '74 (Film)" into the search box and hit Enter, and it came up. It just takes a while for that to show up. ö   Brambleberry   of   RiverClan  15:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for double checking. Mdebellis (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

One last thing if any admin wants to rapid delete the original page "Irish Tour 1974" (my understanding is after deletion that page stays for a while) I think that would be fine. I'm 99.9% sure I've changed any links to point to the new destination. Mdebellis (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And this is totally random but anyone ever hear of Agile Software Development or Extreme Programming? Because the more I edit the more I realize Wikipedia is Agile Development only for content rather than code. The parallels are amazing. I know that's more for a nerd discussion but for what its worth I couldn't resist throwing it out there.  Mdebellis (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

May I know how I can improve my article? and a question regarding sources...
I made an article ( Link is attached for reference.) I would appreciate it if anyone can enlighten me on how to improve the article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Piso_Point

Magnesite88 (talk) 14:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Magnesite88, welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at your article, it isn't quite there because its format doesn't meet the usual guidelines for a location article and there aren't Reliable sources to provide information for the article. The reviewers left you directions on how to find those. As to format, take a look at Promontory Point (Chicago) for a decent article on a "point". Let us know if you need more help. Good luck! EBY (talk) 22:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Another Question
I wanted to add categories to the new userboxes I created. But I don't know how!  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  16:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, do you have HotCat enabled? if so then do you notice the box on the bottom of your userpage? there should be a "+" symbol, click it and enter in a new category, once you are done that you may click the redlink and create your new category. Regards Prabash.  Akmeemana   17:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I don't have HotCat enable, and I don't know how to do it.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  18:10, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I realized I do have HotCat enable. Let me see if I can do that. ;)  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  18:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't find any box on the bottom of my page. I don't have a full interface for Wikipedia. it ia very restricted for me. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  18:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, what browser are you using? webpage incompatibility could be the reason why you cant see the box? I highly recommend Google chrome. But it should look like a gray box at the very bottom of your userpage. Prabash.  Akmeemana   18:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * See the details of my browser in my user page. I dont think that's the reason. Where I work, there is a ver very restricted use of wikipedia. that's why I cant see the real interface of wiki<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  18:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Miss Bono, I guess it is the internet connection then. So yeah just let it be I guess until you get home. But I can create the categories for you if you want? Prabash.  Akmeemana   19:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * When I get home I wont have Internet at all. So I will be glad you create the categpries for me, or add the userboxes to the right category (already created). User:Miss Bono/Userboxes. Thanks! :) <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  19:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Stop! Don't do it with hotcat!  You want to add the categorization in your template... Technical 13 (talk) 22:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Miss Bono. If you are using userbox as the base template, you can add to it:
 * You can add others using:
 * and
 * If you have made the templates from scratch—basically a table of your own divising, you can just add to the template's code (I suggest at the bottom)
 * and
 * If you have made the templates from scratch—basically a table of your own divising, you can just add to the template's code (I suggest at the bottom)
 * If you have made the templates from scratch—basically a table of your own divising, you can just add to the template's code (I suggest at the bottom)


 * Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Wao. I am on my way! <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Article rejected for lack of citations
I recently created a new article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/William_Volk) and the reply was that it was rejected for lack of citations.

While I understand the general concept of citations, I am not sure of the "mechanical" requirements for Wikipedia and would like some help regrading this.

Some examples in context would be a big help along with some clarification of the appropriate use and overuse.

With your help, I hope to meet all the requirements for this to be a successfully accepted article.

Sincerely,

Bryan Kilburn (talk) 19:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the question. Please take a look at WP:Referencing for beginners.--ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Bryan, you can click on the links in the actual rejection notice for helps on the citation. The good thing is that you have more issues with the formatting then with the content. Drop me a note if you are still having trouble and I'll do what I can to help. The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 03:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

How can I make this more space efficient but still keep all the information
Hello.

I am working on creating a page for the Arts Theatre Cronulla in my sandbox. This list of productions runs quite a way down the page. I am currently adding all the links to this section and wondered if anyone knew of a trick/technique or whatever to make it a bit more space efficient but still as easy to read chronologically?

This is the link to my sandbox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Take-too/sandbox

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Take-too (talk) 09:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Take-too. A few options are available:
 * You can use, and  templates to divide the list into multiple columns.
 * You can use and  bottom to collapse the list, or parts of it (although this isn't really a good idea in articles).
 * You can build a collapsible table
 * Or, and this is by far the best option, you can scrap most of the information there. Wikipedia policy mandates that subjects in embedded lists must be notable. If the productions themselves are notable, you can include the information in the article, but Wikipedia doesn't want or need every iota of information about a topic. Your best option would be to remove most of the listed content (no-one's going to read through it anyway) and restrict yourself only to those productions that gained significant press coverage. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Yunshui.

Thank you for your quick reply.

I am a bit confused over your answer. Most of the plays that have been produced at the Cronulla Arts theatre are "notable". I understand what you are saying, but then if that thought process is taken too literally then why not just have a page with a couple of lines of text and a whole lot of external links. I thought that the point of the encyclopedia is to include the information in a simple and linkable fashion so as the reader doesn't have to go off the site?

It definitely would be a lot easier for me to take your final option as I can just chuck it all out and stick to the base facts, but I feel I may be doing a disservice to a lot of people that have been producing work for over fifty years.

I don't wish to sound cantankerous but I just want to do the best work I can.

Regards, Dean.

Take-too (talk) 10:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Dean. I agree with Yunshui. Just because a play is notable, does not mean that every production of it is notable. I actually think that there is far too much listing of details all over Wikipedia, but a particular problem with listing productions for a theatre is that it is a list which will lose its value unless somebody keeps it up to date. Much better to remove the list, and concentrate on a few production which are individually notable. --ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. Colin has the right idea - the plays may be notable as texts, but the list refers to productions of those plays. The issue of notability therefore refers to those specific productions, not to the text of the play itself (for example, my old school's performance of Macbeth would not be notable, even though Macbeth indisputably is). A production would be notable if it had received a number of reviews in the national (not local) press, for example, or perhaps if it were the debut of a play that later went on to win considerable acclaim. If it was the acting debut of a performer who later became a Hollywood star, that might be a reason to include it. However, an exhaustive list of every production ever put on at the theatre, whilst a commendable bit of research work, isn't really what Wikipedia is for. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for your consider replies. I will take your advice and throw out the list. I should have asked earlier as it would have saved me a couple of days work. It's a shame though. I would have like looking at, and reading it. And maybe I would not have been the only one. But I am a beginner so...I will do my best to fit within the excepted standards.

Regards, Dean

Take-too (talk) 22:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Two ideas - 1) Contact the theater, they may love that info for their own website, and 2) Lesser-known plays sometimes keep lists of the productions where that information may be relevant. Don't get discouraged. Every experienced editor can tell you the names of the articles they went down a sinkhole on, just to realize most of the work either didn't fit or never stuck. EBY (talk) 04:53, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Possible Wikilinks
I saw a tool/script which suggests the possible Wikilink in an article. I though it could be very helpful for newly created articles. (as usual) I can not remember what was the tool/script. (I am not talking about Find Link) -- Tito ☸ Dutta 20:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Is this Scripts what you're looking for? Sorry I'm not as familiar with scripts. If not maybe WP:TOOL or Tools/Greasemonkey user scripts...? Hopefully another host can jump in >_< ⊾maine12329⊿   talks  ✿ wiki  02:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This article Flaming Idiots has an orphan tag on it which has a link that seems to find suggested links. I'm not sure what script it calls.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * No, there was a simple tool similar to Find Link. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 03:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)