Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1165

Some one created fake article for my company
Dear Team

Please how to remove fake article because one of fake person created my company page 103.211.38.189 (talk) 08:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you tell us the name of the company, so that this can be investigated? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like it might be Herald Scholarly Open Access, based on the IP's contribution history. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I presumed so too, but it would be good to hear it from the IP (and also what's "fake" about the article). Cordless Larry (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * If I understand right, Cordless Larry, a fake article is one created by one or more fake persons. I'd be interested to learn how the questioner distinguishes between the fake persons who create WP articles and the real persons who do so. -- Hoary (talk) 12:11, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The article in question was created by an editor who has been active for ten years, and has edited and created other articles about companies in the publication business. If this about Herald Scholarly Open Access, there have been (reverted) attempts by IPs 223.230.83.118 and 203.109.95.146 to "whitewash" well-referenced criticism of the company. David notMD (talk) 12:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have semi-protected that article for six months. Any concerns can be discussed at Talk:Herald Scholarly Open Access. Cullen328 (talk) 16:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI, it doesn't appear to be semi-protected, . Cordless Larry (talk) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , I am not sure what I did wrong but it is semi-protected now. Cullen328 (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Features Lists on Main Page
I have a close family member with a stutter. I found List of stutterers and it seems it has never been on the main page. There must be a process for this. If someone could submit this list into the process I'd appreciate it. Thanks.WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow (talk) 00:45, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I fixed your link. Check out WP:FL for links on what the requirements are for featured lists and how to nominate one if it is ready.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow, Talk:List of stutterers tells us: "This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured list on October 24, 2014." -- Hoary (talk) 03:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you! WhoAmIYouDoNotKnow (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

"Skin"!?
I clicked on the link to try out the new interface features, and got the message, ''This will change your skin and reload the page. Are you sure?'' I'm pretty sure I don't want my skin changed, and I doubt that any other users will either. What on earth is it talking about? Koro Neil (talk) 15:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Koro Neil: For more information about skins, you're going to want to click on that link. Basically there are some features that are available on certain visual representations of the site, and you will need to change to one that has those features enabled. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:59, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * See Skin for our skins. You can always change skin at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I got the same message. Is it attempting to change my skin to Vector 2022? IT didn't seem very clear. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No idea what these new interface features are, but I assume that's the skin that's being changed to. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's an attempt to get user experience or feedback when one changes to the new skin. There is/was a discussion on making Vector 2022 the default skin for new users and IP users.  Volten 001  ☎ 17:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Lists of celebrations of various General Roman Calendar revisions
Hello, I’d like to discuss how to proceed.

At the beginning of September 2022, @Veverve began to remove lists of celebrations inscribed into various revision of the General Roman Calendar:


 * General Roman Calendar (was: 1969, now it is a general article regarding the GRC);
 * Tridentine calendar (1571+);
 * General Roman Calendar of 1954;
 * General Roman Calendar of Pope Pius XII (1955);
 * General Roman Calendar of 1960;
 * General Roman Calendar of 1969:
 * particular calendars (1969):
 * National calendars of the Roman Rite;
 * Institutional and societal calendars of the Roman Rite;
 * Personal jurisdiction calendars of the Roman Rite.

Now, there are some users who want to keep the celebrations lists within the articles. The celebrations lists are the core part of the article to these users (including myself). Additional information can be found in the talk pages:


 * Talk:General_Roman_Calendar;
 * Talk:General_Roman_Calendar;
 * Talk:General_Roman_Calendar_of_1954.

There were some edit wars too because of this.

Now, I understand that Wikipedia is not a list nor a directory, however, is there no other Wikipedia policy/rule that would allow such long (but finite) lists of celebrations to be included in a Wikipedia article?

Later, as I couldn’t see a way to include the celebrations lists within the articles, I started to move the celebrations lists to my GitLab repository. @Veverve seemed to be okay with adding a link to External links within General Roman Calendar of 1969, however, @Elizium23 soon removed it on WP:ELNO basis. See also this discussion on this topic.

Now, please advice, how can we proceed? I simply want to have the lists of celebrations within the articles, either directly or indirectly. Is that possible? 7otto (talk) 19:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The Teahouse isn't really the right venue to resolve what appears to be a content dispute. You might try starting a Request for Comment (see WP:RFC) to gain a wider consensus on a specific content issue. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

How can I reactivate the Basic Income project and why has interest left it?
UBI is a very important social reform but it suffers from systemic resistance which is not recognised by advocates. Janosabel (talk) 12:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Janosabel, the teahouse is for asking questions about editing or using Wikipedia, not general content questions. Sungodtemple (talk) 12:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for not being very helpful Janosabel (talk) 12:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Janosabel, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please don't be rude towards them; you never mentioned a Wikiproject specifically, and they thought you were talking about something else.
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  12:46, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. I thought "Basic Income project" would mean the Wiki project. Janosabel (talk) 13:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It probably does to users who already know it but we have thousands of projects and millions of pages, and many posts use general terms like "project" without meaning something Wikipedia-specific like a WikiProject. It's the first I hear of WikiProject Universal Basic Income after 17 years and 70,000 edits. Please always link any page you refer to or want help with, or at least give the exact name. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this interesting insight into the editorial community.
 * I was advised to come to the teahouse for help about reactivating Wikipedia:WikiProject Universal Basic Income . Janosabel (talk) 20:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sungodtemple, I believe they were asking about WikiProject Universal Basic Income.
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  12:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . With only a few exceptions, a large majority of WikiProjects are inactive. They were popular during Wikipedia's rapid growth period about 15 years ago. I suggest that you check to see whether any members of the project are still actively editing, and reach out directly to any that are still around. Cullen328 (talk) 16:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Tanks, Cullen.
 * This is a promising suggestion. Will follow up. Janosabel (talk) 20:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

It has been awhile since I have posted.
Hello, I need to upload a biography and picture of Professor David S. Chambers. Please refresh my memory on how to get started. Apparently, my last post failed. Thanks Cliff Norman Cliffnorman (talk) 20:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Cliffnorman, welcome to the Teahouse. Your first article is a good place to start, either for a newcomer or someone looking to refresh their memory. Did you take the picture yourself (or is it so old as to be no longer copyrighted)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up on the photo and the links. I believe the photo is from American Society for Quality, for which I am a Senior Member. Cliffnorman (talk) 21:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cliffnorman, the photo is likely copyrighted, and it seems you are not the copyright holder (it is usually the photographer). If the subject of your article is alive, you will need to find the photo's copyright holder and have them release it under a compatible license. If the subject is not alive, you may be able to use the photo under WP:FAIRUSE - it will need to meet all of the criteria outlined on that page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:04, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have an image of the professor that you took with your own camera, you can go to WP:UPIMAGE for instructions on uploading.  If you didn't take the image uploading one is a bit trickier due to copyright issues.
 * If you are inexperienced with creating articles, please first read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial. You may then go to Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review. You will want to gather at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the professor to summarize. 331dot (talk) 20:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Your post failed because you were on your User page. See above for how to create a draft. "Need" suggests a personal or paid connection to Chambers. Is that true, or would "Want" have been a better choice? David notMD (talk) 21:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help and links! Also the issue with photos. Cliffnorman (talk) 21:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Re: How to Publish the Article
I have created the I have created the BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod page I am unable to publish the article and if I have search with this name BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod it is showing no result found.

So,could you please let me know how to publish the article. BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod (talk) 13:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod You have, I'm afraid, fallen at the first hurdle because you have tried to create an autobiography without taking the time to learn anything about what is required to meet Wikipedia's standards. Please read help on how to write here but more importantly WP:NOT, which discusses some of the things Wikipedia is NOT to be used for. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You have created two drafts Draft:BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod and Draft:BALHASAHEB RATHOD with identical content, both Declined. Among other failures, neither have any references, an essential requirement. Every fact must be verified via independent references. There is a RESUBMIT button. Any search engine only finds approved articles. David notMD (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * BALHASAHEB (Ramrao)Rathod it may be of help for you to read Help:Referencing for beginners and Reliable sources/Perennial sources before adding needed references to your draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Levels of Vandalism
Hey there. I was wondering whether the sorts of Vandalism like would warrant stricter action then, say, someone writing bananaface on a random article. or should it all be treated as the same? Thank you all so much, I'm still rather new to this. AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 00:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you see anyone urging the killing (or rape, torture, disfigurement, etc) of any person or group of people, I suggest that you take it straight to WP:ANI. (As for this perp, I've already given them a 31-hour break from editing.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, this case may be placed with vandalism level 4im, as it shows malice towards a discriminated group, posted in bad faith, and blatant vandalism. Honestly, I think the vandal is too immature for the internet, seeing how much of an edgy twerp they are. Explodicator7331 (talk) 01:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I hid it deeper. DMacks (talk) 03:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

TRYING TO PUBLISH MY ARTICLE
I wanted to know if anyone can help me publish this article I created. Draft:Wayne Ayers MarcusMoore360 (talk) 23:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft.  331dot (talk) 23:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * , this is somebody who, we are told, "has been featured in Forbes, Business Insider, Yahoo Finance, Black Enterprise, Ebony Magazine, and more". If one or more of these said something substantive about him, then summarize this and attribute it to the particular article (by the particular author(s)) in the particular issue (and, if the article available on the web, provide the link). Merely having been "featured" here or there amounts to very little. -- Hoary (talk) 01:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @MarcusMoore360 Many of the sentences in "Careers" gave no citation to a source. Words like "proud", "uplifting", and the phrase "some of the biggest media stories in the industry" are wp:puffery and are unreferenced.  Number of followers and visitors doesn't show notability. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Photo spacing in User Sandbox
I know I may ask many questions and I appreciate everyone's patience with me, but is anyone familiar with the spacing between pictures in a photo montage? I am putting |border = 0 and |spacing = 0 and they are still widely separated, at least in the wiki sandbox. Or, if I publish this montage, will the spacing go away? Thanks

The ganymedian (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi The ganymedian, welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't saved anything in User:The ganymedian/sandbox so we cannot see what you did. Use the "Publish page" button. It's just a save button. The name means others can see it but it will still be your sandbox and not part of the encyclopedia. "Publish page" and "Show preview" look the same with rare exceptions which probably aren't relevant here. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @PrimeHunter, I have made this collage public for yours or anyone's consideration. Thank you for your help. The ganymedian (talk) 03:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I made some changes to be more like Template:Photo montage. You are free to revert or modify my changes. When images are passed to a template like Template:Photo montage, the template often only wants the image name and adds its own image formatting which should be omitted in the call. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:20, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter Much appreciated, thank you very much! The ganymedian (talk) 05:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter May you know of a way to get rid of the black spaces between the rows of pictures, or is that just the way it will be without choosing different pictures? Thanks again The ganymedian (talk) 05:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I answered my own question. Thanks again. The ganymedian (talk) 06:40, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Photo montage has no feature to avoid such spaces when images in the same row have different height to width ratios. They would have to be displayed at different widths to get the same height but the template cannot do it. There is an old request at Template talk:Photo montage. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

How do i add pictures to a article
i cant add pictures to an article with out a problem Sillyboiperson (talk) 15:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Sillyboiperson, welcome to the Teahouse. What problem are you having? Which picture(s) are you trying to add, and to which article(s)? Images must be properly licensed and uploaded either to Commons or locally to English Wikipedia, then inserted using the proper markup. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you Sillyboiperson (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

New category idea
I had an idea where me and other users could sort cars by power output. For Example: Cars with less than 100 hp, Cars with 100-200 hp, and so on. But I cannot do this by myself. - - - -T e r g y t h e  u s e r- - - - (Talk to me) 11:42, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Tergy There is already a List of production cars by power output and some of the issues of assigning cars to categories would have the same problems as are mentioned there. If you want to suggest something more detailed, probably better to use the page WT:WikiProject Automobiles where those interested will see it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Lots of articles cover many models with different power output, e.g. Mazda Familia. A category would only work if there is a redirect for each model and the redirect is categorized. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Does the artist Sewerslvt meet the notability guidelines for article creation?
They've got a pretty big fanbase, but their work (and even whole genre) are still what you could call 'underground.' They're pretty important as a 'niche' artist and very influential in the industrial/noise scene, but the fact they never really went fully mainstream means that there aren't a lot of other big time sources referencing them; should I attempt article creation, or does this seem likely to be rejected? Taurterus (talk) 02:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If the artist doesn't meet any of the inclusion criteria in WP:NARTIST (and more generally, WP:GNG), then, no. The size of the fanbase is irrelevant. Fame does not equate to notability. Notability is determined by the amount of independent coverage the artist gets in reliable sources. See Golden rule for an overview of what is expected. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Poor articles at Sewerslvt have been moved to drafts or deleted three times. There are currently two different drafts at Draft:Sewerslvt and Draft:Sewerslvt (Artist). PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at the drafts I could definitely expand on the info, but it seems like even they had issues finding larger references/citations. Probably better to just leave it be, then. Thanks for the the help Taurterus (talk) 16:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Bella Hadid
Hello, i saw Bella Hadid article and it seems like an error on her biography. I mean, her middle name is 'Khair' not 'Khairiah'. proof : 1, 2, 3 and even her instagram biography is : Isabella Khair Hadid. Can you change it please? Thank you :) Datsofelija (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Datsofelija, you can change it yourself. See WP:BRD. Sungodtemple (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Datsofelija, and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree that those sources say that her name is "Khair", but in the existing citation no 4 in the article, her father says that it's "Khairiah". It's always a bit of a problem to know what to do when the sources disagree. ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Sungodtemple & @ColinFine, thank you for your replies, i know i can change it myself, the goal of wikipedia but i wanted to share the things with you all and sharing opinions... And yeah, her dad told in interview but only in one interview, no more... so.. what count? Datsofelija (talk) 16:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Help needed: Speedy Deletion nomination of new page, account of editor blocked and previous changes discarded
Dear community,

I am reaching out for your expert advice to help solve an issue my client has landed into. Points listed below give an account of events in chronological order:

-An employee at my client's edited his company page with information to reflect new development in terms of revenue, geographical presence, etc., edited language at places to make it more suitable, added current citations for both old and new edits, organized the page with tabular layouts for sections like Board of Directors, Board members, etc.

-These edits were accepted without any issue.

-He then went on to edit the page of his company's Co-founder and chairman, and again made edits to reflect new information. The new information/edits included - information pertaining to early life and career, awards & recognition and Social work.

-These edits also got accepted without any issue.

-After two or three weeks, he developed content for another co-founder of the company, and created a page for him on Wikipedia. This time however, the page got nominated for deletion, and his profile is said to be indefinitely blocked.

-The administrator who nominated the co-founder's page for deletion also banned this editor's profile and discarded all his recent edits made on the company and company's chairman's page.

-This employee of my client's has reached out to me for help, so I am writing here to get your expert thoughts on how can I best handle this.

From my understanding and knowledge of how Wikipedia works and the policy and guidelines to edits content or to create new page, I can say that the edits made on company page and those on the co-founder page do not seem to violate any guidelines, the one concern I have though is that this employee who made the edits did not disclose his conflict of interest, which he should have done to begin with.

There is a big issue with the new page creation, because their earlier attempt I am told was rejected I think a year or two back. They tried creating the page again by changing the content to make it plain and non-promotional. Added proper reference links too. Their point is that the other co-founder (whose page got deleted) is also a prominent figure (no less than the co-founder who has the page up) and is well covered by the media; journalists and people also look for him, and there is need and a solid case to have a separate Wikipedia page for him.

I am thinking to follow the below steps to help. And please I request you all to guide me here to make the best, ethical decision:

1. Ask the client's employee to go through Wikipedia guidelines and policies thoroughly, especially the ones which led to this situation. 2. Ask the client's employee to appeal for getting his account unblocked. And in this appeal he should disclose that he had conflict of interest. And such mistakes will not be repeated. 3. Appeal to the administrator to have a closer look at the edits made on the company page and co-founder page (which all she/he rejected) and instead of rejecting everything, advise on making them better suited for Wikipedia if she/he finds there are specific issue with certain edit(s). 4. To create a page for the other co-founder, I can advice the client to first analyze if there is a solid case to have a separate page for this person, and if there is a good case, they can start by creating a page at Special:Mypage/co-founder which can allow other editors to contribute while the page gets developed, instead of controlling the content themselves.

Your advice is much appreciated. Looking forward to hear back. Thank you!

Yours faithfully,

- Fahad

PS. My apologies, I can not yet disclose the pages and editor's profile referred to here, but if you feel it is mandatory and will help resolve the issue in any way, I can put it here. Fahadmonibsiddiqui (talk) 11:12, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , it would be good if your client's employee could post here on this page (though not in this section, if you want to maintain anonymity), explaining what has happened and asking for well-informed advice. But he can't, if his account (Wikipedia doesn't do profiles) has been blocked. I'm somewhat surprised that an inexperienced editor has been blocked for undisclosed paid editing. But there may be aspects that I don't know about. Maproom (talk) 11:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response @Maproom. As per my knowledge, he is not getting paid exclusively for wiki edits. I think he got this as an additional responsibility to his job role. And yes, his experience is limited only to editing which is the easier part, becoming acquainted with and complying with the policy is the hard part, which I think is not a common practice. Hence, the good work by administrators, and responsible editors is needed. I'll request the client's employee to explain in a suitable forum, but right now, I need help to understand which steps to follow in a case like this. Fahadmonibsiddiqui (talk) 12:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . When you write that "These edits were accepted without any issue", are you aware that most edits aren't subject to any form of approval process? It's likely that the edits concerned just went unnoticed.
 * You also write that "From my understanding and knowledge of how Wikipedia works and the policy and guidelines to edits content or to create new page, I can say that the edits made on company page and those on the co-founder page do not seem to violate any guidelines, the one concern I have though is that this employee who made the edits did not disclose his conflict of interest, which he should have done to begin with". That final part is very important. Undisclosed paid editing is a violation of the site's terms of use. Please see WP:PAID on this (it also strikes me that the requirement to make the disclosure also likely applies to you). Cordless Larry (talk) 12:38, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * it also strikes me that the requirement to make the disclosure also likely applies to you It certainly does! Dutchy45 (talk) 12:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Larry. Thanks for your response. "It's likely that the edits concerned just went unnoticed." but I have checked these edits and it seems they have made updates which do not qualify as promotional. These seem like necessary updates, and I think regular updates are made by different brands everyday as part of the hygiene to keep the information up-to-date, and my client's attempt probably was not very different. Having said that, please note, I was not involved with the client until the issue surfaced.
 * I am not sure if the edits made by the employee qualifies as "paid edits" as this was given as an additional responsibility to him, he does a completely different job.
 * Can you please advice how can we approach this step-by-step? Fahadmonibsiddiqui (talk) 13:36, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You stated that the edits were accepted,, and I pointed out that there isn't an acceptance process (unless they were requested via an edit request, perhaps?). You're now stating that they were necessary, but that's a different matter.
 * Edits made by an employee are paid edits. Both you and your client need to make the required disclosure. Your client can then appeal their block and promise not to edit the relevant articles directly, but to use the edit request process as outlined at WP:COIREQ. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Larry. This is helpful. I'll ensure the procedure is followed correctly moving forward. If you have any other advise please share. Fahadmonibsiddiqui (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Fahadmonibsiddiqui As CordlessLarry says, "paid editing" is not restricted to cases where someone is paid per edit.  Edits made by unpaid interns are "paid edits", and so are edits made by company owners.  WP has its own lingo... 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Please also see Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1160 and the responses you received in that thread. Before you do anything else, please read the information under the heading "Managing a conflict of interest" on your user talk page, and as a matter of priority, make the necessary disclosures. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 17:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Is theamericanreporter.com a reliable source?
Greetings all,

I have been doing clean-ups mostly, and gradually building my understanduing of Wikipedia. After reading Reliable sources and Reliable sources/Perennial sources, I have developed much of the understanding of the reliable sources, however, I am still fuzzy about "The American Reporter", after having an argument with one of my friends... If anyone could be helpful, I would be very grateful.

Thanks in advance. 24GT (talk) 21:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, 24GT. The Teahouse is not really the place to discuss this. Please ask at WP:RSN. ColinFine (talk) 22:21, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thank you. 24GT (talk) 17:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Is my client notable enough to get a Wikipedia page?
Hello, I work for digital marketing/PR agency for books/authors and one of our clients just got IG verified. She was asking me to look into getting her a Wikipedia page, but would that be considered a conflict of interest if she's my client? I also want to make sure she's notable enough before I go through the whole process -- she's a published author & life coach and has been interviewed on local news (WTOL 11, CBS) (Paula Sands Live, NBC) (Toronto Sun article). Are these appearances notable enough? I appreciate any guidance. Thank you! Pacificandcourt (talk) 16:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Pacificandcourt, probably not. Interviews do not count for notability, only independent, reliable sources. An interview removes the 'independent' part. Also Instagram verification does not count for anything. Sungodtemple (talk) 16:40, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Pacificandcourt, welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for asking questions before jumping in. It does count as a COI, and in fact, the more specific WP:PAID policy would probably apply. Please read that page carefully and comply with the instructions. As an author, the guidance at WP:NAUTHOR applies; it's possible that one or more of her books may be notable instead (see WP:NBOOK) depending on the reviews they've received. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:42, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Additionally, @Pacificandcourt, your user name may be a violation of our policies, as it seems to be the name of your company rather than a personal identification. I'd recommend either abandoning this account and starting a new one that meets our guidelines ("Sarah at Pacific and Court", for instance - you need not use your real name) or applying for a user name change (WP:RENAME). This account is highly likely to be blocked for not meeting the requirements. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I had no idea -- I requested a name change. Thank you for providing me info about the COI -- I'll keep that in mind as well, although at this point I believe I'm probably too inexperienced to create the page for her if page creation is only reserved for experienced editors.
 * She's written a three-book nonfiction self-help series, with her last book releasing this month. The books have received reviews from notable book publications (ex. Kirkus), but as for Shari herself - there are guest articles she's written herself for notable brands about various topics, but all articles about her are about her books/TV interviews/news articles where she's a featured "expert". Would it be better to suggest a Wikipedia page writing service, and would you happen to have any suggestions I can look into for her?
 * Thanks so much for being so helpful, I really appreciate it! Pacificandcourt (talk) 17:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Kirkus does reviews for pay, so they do not contribute to notability either. Nor do articles by the subject - we need independent articles _about_ the subject. A 'Wikipedia page writing service' will probably accept your money and then produce an article that would be swiftly deleted for failing to meet notability standards. MrOllie (talk) 17:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * A quibble: current consensus on Kirkus Reviews is "generally reliable" except for Kirkus Indie reviews. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pacificandcourt, I'm going to echo the advice above, because all too often we have folks show up here or at the Help Desk asking where their article is/where their money has gone, and they quickly learn they've been scammed. Beware who you give your (or your company's) money to. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, PacificandCourt. I want to acknowledge you for coming here and asking, and for recognising that you may not have the skills to write an article yourself. This is a lot more than many people do when they come here. But the fact that you are even considering paying somebody to write an article indicates to me that you have a very common, but utterly wrong, idea of what Wikipedia is. Promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia, and attempts to use Wikipedia as part of a marketing campaign often backfire. If your client does not currently meet our criteria for notability, then it doesn't matter who you pay, all money (and all your own efforts) that you devote will be wasted. If she does meet the requirements, then an article is possible, and it may be that some of the people offering to write it will do a good job. But "a good job" by Wikipedia's standards - the only ones that are relevant - may not be the same as what you would think of as a good job. Such an article will not belong to you or your client, will not be controlled by you, and will not be for the benefit of your client, except incidentally. Please have a look at an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ahh thank you all for all of your help! I can see that my client doesn't meet the notability requirements and I'll relay this information to her. I figured that those wiki-page writing services were a scam--I just figured I'd ask seeing as I don't think I have the experience to write her one. Thank you all again for being so helpful! I really appreciate it!! Pacificandcourt (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Move photo collage to existing Wikipedia article
Hey all- How do I move my photo collage that I created in my wiki sandbox into the corresponding existing article? Or am I not able to do this because of rank? Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 06:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @The ganymedian: I declined the montage at AfC not because there was anything wrong with it, but because the AfC review process is (mostly) for new article drafts, which this wasn't/isn't. Whichever article your montage was intended for, please edit that article directly. (And there's no question of, let alone problem with, 'rank' here.) Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @DoubleGrazing I apologize for prematurely submitting that, as I was not aware it had to be a full article (I am new to editing/adding to Wikipedia). I see there is a "move" option, but if I wanted to move my photo collage to "2017", which category do I choose? If not this method, is there a way where I can export this to the article separately? Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 07:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @The ganymedian, "Move" doesn't work here. Check the wikitext at 2016 and see how it's done there, and copypaste the wikitext from your sandbox to 2017 in a similar manner, with a WP:ES that says "Copied from Template:Year 2017 events collage". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! The ganymedian (talk) 08:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @The ganymedian: no biggie, and certainly no need to apologise.
 * As Gråbergs Gråa Sång says, 'move' isn't what you want; that's for moving a whole article to a different name. (Just thought I'd explain, in case that wasn't clear.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:39, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @DoubleGrazing ! Looks like the article has been updated my collage. Thanks for your help! The ganymedian (talk) 08:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Most of the images have now been deleted as copyright violations, and the collage has become... less collage-y (someone may want to fix the caption at 2017). @The ganymedian, you need to be much more careful about uploading images you find elsewhere on the internet - most will not be compatibly licensed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:00, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * How do I find images that are not copyrighted? Is there a way to cite these pictures to make them acceptable for use? The ganymedian (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @The ganymedian, no, none of those photos appear to meet the criteria at WP:FAIRUSE. Finding copyright-free images is difficult; your best options are to take photos yourself or to use ones that are already on Commons (though those may be deleted if it turns out they were uploaded illegally, as you found out). Some photo hosting services allow users to release images under free licenses, and some even allow you to search only for images released under such licenses. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate your patience, as I am new to the editing and addition process to Wikipedia. I will find Wikipedia images to use instead. The ganymedian (talk) 18:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I would like to remove page, about a person who working with, please tell me who
I would like to remove page, about a person who working with, please tell me how? this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_al-Arefe 102.189.112.148 (talk) 18:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * IP user, there is a guide to deletion here. The short, simple answer is that an article can be nominated for deletion, and after a week or so of discussion, a decision will be reached for or against inclusion (the actual processes involved are more complex, but I don't think it's necessary to go into all that). Just glancing at the article, I don't think a deletion nomination would get any traction. The subject seems notable and the article seems well sourced. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor, I see that you've been trying to remove a particular section - which is not very well sourced - from the article, and have been reverted. I'd recommend starting a discussion on the talk page, Talk:Mohamad al-Arefe, since I think a valid argument could be made for removing at least some of that material. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Could use help assessing notability
Hello, full disclosure I am an employee of Agility Robotics, so I don't feel like I can be an objective/unbiased editor. Is there anyone who has a passion/interest in robotics who might want to evaluate if there is enough 3rd party validation to justify a page? I've laid out a sample of 3rd party coverage as the basis of my hypothesis (that it's notable enough). You can view that on my user talk page, I'd be happy to provide that background here as well if that's preferred. Another user seemed to think there was enough credible source material, and that starting a conversation in the Teahouse would be a way to possibly find objective editors who have an interest in robotics. Thank you for any wisdom you can provide. Keganator (talk) 18:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , you might get some feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Robotics. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Very good suggestion, thank you. Will do. Keganator (talk) 19:14, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Can i give myself every medal from a wikiproject without doing nothing
I really wanna do that to show that i am not new around here, thanks. LightGuess (talk) 19:04, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @LightGuess, welcome to the Teahouse. There is nothing stopping you from doing that, but it would certainly not have the effect you intend. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:08, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you? Yes. SHould you? No but there's no real punishment (Unless it's the only thing you do, then it could be seen as WP:NOTHERE). Will it show that you're not new? No. Users can still see the age of the account (whether it be with an enabled preference or via logs). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , to be frank, you are damaging your own credibility and making yourself look foolish. Is that what you really want? Cullen328 (talk) 19:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * no LightGuess (talk) 19:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * OP indefinitely blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

how can i open mu mobile app wiki saved page to wiki web
how can i open mu mobile app wiki saved page to wiki web Hirenfchotaliya (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to The Teahouse. It's not clear what you are actually asking here, can you re-phrase or more fully explain your problem? Theroadislong (talk) 20:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello . I'm guessing that you are asking about access the "reading list" that you have created in the mobile app, from the web version. If that is the question, I'm afraid the answer is No, you can't, See the last sentence of Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ (that's for Android, but the same applies to the iOS app). ColinFine (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

User translating English pages to Igbo
I came across a page (Cedrus atlantica) written in Igbo. It turns out the user @Winniejovita has been translating pages into Igbo. They have only started recently and only changed two pages so far. I reverted their edit to the cedar article, and the other one was already reverted.

However, I think there is a high chance that this isn't a case of purposeful vandalism, considering the effort put in to make the edits and the user's page. Therefore, I have put a notice on their talk page telling them to instead create the articles on the Igbo Wikipedia. I think they might be valuable editor for the development of that language's Wikipedia, bearing in mind that it only has around 1500 pages according to Wikidata. I'm a relatively new editor myself so if anyone more experienced has any ideas or wants to help then that would be great. I think it would be of much benefit to the Igbo Wikipedia if someone walked them through how to translate pages between different language Wikipedias so they could contribute properly. MimiKal797 (talk) 02:16, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Instructions for translating articles from the English language Wikipedia to Wikipedia versions in other languages can be found at Translate us. Can you share this link with the other editor? Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much @MimiKal797, i am in touch with the Igbo community and will make the effort to connect with the editor to guide them. Thanks for pointing this out. Best. OtuNwachinemere (talk) 21:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

help with photo caption
I am editing this page and need to credit the photographer even though the image is open source. How do I do that so it doesn't get deleted?

Someone keeps deleting the photographer credit, over and over. It's the top photo on this page (with Adrienne Rich): Susan Sherman

Thank you!

Tamar Ovaryian (talk) 18:18, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ovaryian, the place to credit the photographer - if it is required - is not in the caption in the article, but on Commons where the image is hosted. I note that you uploaded it as "own work", which is apparently not the case. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's very helpful Ovaryian (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello again Ovaryian. I'm afraid it's not as simple as you are suggesting on c:COM:Deletion requests/File:Adrienne Rich and Susan Sherman.jpg. You have made the legal assertion I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following license, which now appears not to be true.
 * I don't know if Commons will accept changing the licence on the file, or whether it will have to be deleted and uploaded again; but in either case, you must provide evidence that it is licensed in a manner consistent with Commons' requirements: that the copyright holder has either explicitly placed it in the public domain, or explicitly released it under a free licence such as CC-BY-SA. I suggest you reply on that Commons discussion page, citing where the explicit release of the image is to be found. ColinFine (talk) 20:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I appreciate your help. Learning as a go. I certainly did not intend to mislead about the provenance of the photo. I believe the photographer has emailed her release, but I'll do as you suggested as well. Ovaryian (talk) 01:28, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ovaryian, @ColinFine What does "open source" mean for an image, if anything? A mis-naming of "public domain", perhaps? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know that it means anything. I too guess that the writer is thinking of "public domain", or maybe is unaware of the difference between public domain and a free licence. ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Active users
On the List of Wikipedias page, do Wikipedia language editions with a higher number of active users regardless of the actual total size of the editions size (total article number wise), mean that the average articles themselves would on average be of higher quality in terms of information detail, etc? Hgh1985 (talk) 21:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hgh1985, I would assume that a higher editor-per-article ratio would mean better content, but this could be different for some Wikipedias. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit description guidelines
I've read Help:Edit summary, WP:Edit summary legend, and WP: Editing policy. I've also read through the editing histories of a couple pages now. Tons of edits have no edit description. Is that acceptable?

There also seem to be edits where the summaries of the edits are disproportionately long for the content of the edit. What are the minimum acceptable edit summaries for ce? Is there a way to automate/semi-automate ce?

Also, is there a guide for editing practices? I have seen both instances of editors who make lots of changes in one edit, and editors who make one change per edit. The latter seems like the way to maximize # of edits. Is this just seen as editor preference? Are there arguments for one way or the other? Modern Methuselah (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * These are good questions. Edit summaries are matter of good etiquette. Yes, you should normally have one in each edit, yes, they should not be too long. Plenty to read here. As for your last question, well that kind of ties into the first two in a way. If you are making 10 different content edits in one go, then your edit summary will probably not be able to adequately describe each one. It's good to keep edits in small enough groups that you can summarize and justify them in a reasonable manner. When it becomes problematic is when an editor tries to hide controversial edits between a bunch of trivial ones, making it harder to restore a bad edit. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,, and welcome! In addition to what Pyrrho the Skipper said, some editors use an automated process for certain kinds of repetitive edits, including some typo fixes, but not all; for instance, a group of volunteers called the Typo Team handles a lot of typos that have been found by an automated process. Hope this helps! Perfect4th (talk) 23:48, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll add: Tons of edits having no edit summary isn't acceptable, but over the 20+ years Wikipedia has existed, the situation hasn't improved much. The length of the edit summary need not correspond to the size of the edit. As long as the edit summary conveys meaning about what was done, it's enough. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , although use of edit summaries is certainly a best practice and recommended to all editors, it is not mandatory. Summaries should be both concise and informative, and should not be argumentative. Debates about the content should take place on the article talk page, not in edit summaries. A single edit, in my opinion, should deal with a single matter, although it could be a fairly lengthy edit. Dealing with many different matters in a single edit makes it much more difficult for other editors to review the change. There is no benefit to editors who maximize the number of their edits. All experienced editors know that edit count is only the roughest measure of productivity, and what really matters are how useful the edits are, not how many of them there are. Cullen328 (talk) 00:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Automated tools are a better way to inflate edit count than making many small edits, for those who are interested in doing so for whatever reason I could never comprehend. I'm happy to say that I don't use such tools, so my edit count reflects my own edits, not edits by automation. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Reinstate Incorrect Page Name Change
Hi there. I represent my client called Trustpower. They discovered their Wikipedia page war renamed to a company they own. It needs to be re instated. How do I do this on their behalf? Here's the page in question - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manawa_Energy 103.227.15.2 (talk) 04:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi IP 103.227.15.2. Please try not to ask the same question on multiple Wikipedia noticeboards because doing so often leads to confusion and fragments the discussion. I will respond to your original question at WP:HD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:27, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Other evidence of notability for films
Hi, I want clarity over "The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking" guideline. What exactly are these aspects of filmmaking other than production? Do they include direction, music, cinematography, screen writing, acting, or others? ... Would a film meet this criterion if it receives awards for categories like, "best actor award", "best playback singer award", or "best musician award"? Thanks. Insight 3 (talk) 04:04, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Pay special attention to the General principles section of that notability guideline. In the end, it is the quality of the reliable, independent sources and the depth of the coverage in those sources that establishes notability. The standards established in the various special notability guidelines are to provide editors with a convenient yardstick for determing whether or not a certain topic is likely to be notable, not that it is guaranteed to be notable. With regards to awards given to films, the significance of the overall award is much more important than the specific category of the award. It is difficult to imagine a film that won three Academy Awards in any category not being notable. On the other hand, it is easy to imagine a low budget film made in a rural county winning a few awards at a regional film award ceremony but not receiving significant coverage elsewhere. In other words, film awards are an indicator of notability, not a guarantee of notability. Cullen328 (talk) 06:07, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. Ok, I understand a film must meet the primary criteria of notability first. But my question is about the nature of different categories of awards a film may receive. For example, it is clear that if a film gets "best film award", it adds to its notability. But if a film only receives a "best actor award", would the award then enhance the notability of the film or it would go to the actor's credit? Insight 3 (talk) 07:00, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , any major award in a major category awarded to a film means that the film is highly likely to be notable. It is difficult to imagine a film that won for "Best Actor in a Motion Picture" at the Golden Globe Awards not receiving sufficient coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Do you have a specific situation in mind, or is this all hypothetical? Specific situations are best for Teahouse discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is an AfD discussion going on for a Nigerian film. The film has won 2 awards in acting categories. Though I agree it lacks basic media coverage, but a participant's remarks regarding the awards made me confused:"Beside, the award was NOT for the film itself (or any "aspect of filmmaking" per WP:NFO#3), its two wins are for acting. Do you create an article for "Best Kiss in a Movie" winner too?...". Insight 3 (talk) 10:55, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , so this is about Articles for deletion/Lucifer (2019 Nigerian film). It is interesting that there is no Wikipedia article about the actor who won the award. In all honesty, I see a lot of weak reasoning in that debate on both sides. What is completely lacking in the discussion is any evidence that the film received significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. I clicked on two of the references in the article and was taken to websites infected with malware. That discourages additional investigation. Cullen328 (talk) 15:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, that discussion has been closed as no consensus. Now what I have understood from your previous reply is that it doesn't matter what's the category (whether direction, story, music, acting, or whatever) of the award a film receives, all that matters is how much media coverage that film gets as a result of winning any award. Am I right? Insight 3 (talk) 10:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Insight 3 Acting is not an aspect of filmmaking? Sure, the acting is done by the actors, but then, the cinematography is done by the cinematographers, and the special effects by the SFX people. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Template
Hi Teahouse,

I’m Afternoon Daydream. Please how can i generate the won and nominated templates? For example when adding awards and nominations in an article. Afternoon Daydream (talk) 06:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Sounds like you're referring to and . Just place those in the corresponding chart row(s). See the template documentation for further details. –– FormalDude   (talk)  07:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Precisely, thank you so much @FormalDude Afternoon Daydream (talk) 07:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Translation Request
Hello. please if any of you are engaged in translations, kindly translate the list of pages below to French.


 * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project/Programme
 * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project/Participation
 * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project/Trust_%26_Safety
 * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Code_for_Africa_Climate_Change_Project/Feedback

Thanks. Jwale2 (talk) 03:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jwale2: don't request translations of meta pages here. instead, follow the instructions in translation requests. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Lettherebedarklight Jwale2 (talk) 09:03, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Feedback for my article
Hello everyone, after my first article draft was rejected, I incorporated all the feedback and further improved the draft step by step until I believe it is fully up to Wikipedia-standards now. I resubmitted it and would love to see it published this time. Is there anything else you believe I can improve in the article? And what is a realistic time frame until it is reviewed another time? I would appreciate any feedback, thanks in advance! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Monika_Schwarz-Friesel Draft:Monika Schwarz-Friesel - Wikipedia DannyJach (talk) 09:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The difficulty is that the general notability guideline requires sources that talk/write about her, not sources that interview her for her views. A reviewer that assesses your draft against that guideline might think the sources are insufficient.
 * However, there is a special notability criterion for academics; I believe your sources adequately demonstrate that she passes WP:NACADEMIC #7 (impact outside academia). #1 (impact within academia) might also be met, eyeballing the citations on Google Scholar, but it’s probably a tougher sell. As the draft is rather good (no promotional language etc.), I would expect it to be accepted at next review.
 * There is no real time frame for review. It is not a queue system, reviewers work in whatever order they feel like. Sometimes it takes days, sometimes it takes months. Is there any reason why you are in a hurry? Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:27, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It has been accepted! A suggestion, even though now accepted, I recommend removing the first and third items under Awards and honours. David notMD (talk) 09:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Editing the article in Russian and Ukrainian.
Hello, just recently registered on Wikipedia to make edits and edit finished articles. I am a certified translator and wanted to be useful for Wikipedia. I have a question: I found an article in English on Wikipedia, used the automated translator of this article into Russian, and I wanted to make corrections in this language, but I can't do it because this article in English is opened to me in the edit mode. What to do? Nataly Yuzhakova (talk) 09:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Nataly Yuzhakova: you need to go the the russian wikipedia (https://ru.wikipedia.org) and create a page there. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 10:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Nataly Yuzhakova There's some advice for editors translating from English to other languages at WP:TrU. Thanks for wanting to help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with page number display
Hi there, I need some help on the page for Susan Sherman.

There are 3 spots where an editor asked for page numbers to be added. The page numbers are in the citation, but I don't understand how to make them display externally. Can you help?

Here are the 3 issues:

1."at the Alternate U."[: 125-126

2. AUDELCO awards in 1996.[ pages needed] delete—website is the correct citation  No page numbers.

3. Mexico City before embarking for Cuba.[: 150

Can you let me know how to do this correctly?

Thank you.

Ovaryian (talk) 10:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ovaryian: the template used for page numbers in this case is rp. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 10:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I still need some help. I was able to make that change, but don't know how to remove the words "pages needed." Thank you Ovaryian (talk) 11:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I got it. Thanks for your help! Ovaryian (talk) 11:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Park Systems Wikipedia Page Modification
Hello,

I'm a PR manager at Park Systems.

There are a several updates regarding to our Park Systems Wikipedia contents, and I would like to make some modifications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Systems is our company wikipedia page.

The parts that we would like to modify are those sections as below.

- Park Systems Corporation - Products - History

Besides those mentioned parts, more modifcations can be made.

Please verify the availability and let me know.

Thanks, Park Systems Parksystems1997 (talk) 06:48, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Parksystems1997, thank you for not editing the page directly, and for asking here instead. What you should do is go to Talk:Park Systems, and say there exactly what changes you hope for, specifying a reliable source for each. As an (of course completely fictional) example:












 * -- Hoary (talk) 08:02, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * To add to what Hoary says, if you mark your request with the template edit request, it will be put on a list and is more likely to get noticed. See WP:Edit request for more details. ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I just checked our Park Systems WIKIPEDIA Website and realized that the contents were already removed. I only asked questions for the availability to work in the future, not right now. Please restore the preview content as soon as possible. Parksystems1997 (talk) 05:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Some unsourced content was removed from the article,, but the article itself hasn't been deleted: Park Systems. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Please leave the content as it is now. The overall content will be edited with proper citation. Parksystems1997 (talk) 06:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, I undersetand the username policy and will no longer edit or post Park Systems related content no more. Parksystems1997 (talk) 06:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You have not done as requested, instead you have re-added unsourced and poorly sourced content to the article, you do not own the article, it is Wikipedia's article about your company. Theroadislong (talk) 06:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is quite embrassing. The content had no proble until recently and now we can't restore it. I'd be very much apprecited if you can give us a bit of period to gather the citation. Parksystems1997 (talk) 07:08, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Blocked for promotional editing and not complying with various policies. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

how to donate
A simple question (I hope). I commented on an excess of nag banners, which a Wikipedian kindly corrected, apparently on the assumption that I had already donated. In fact, I still wish to make a modest donation. How?

regards, Vic joseph (talk) 12:47, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * On the sidebar on the left, there's a donate link you can click which sends you to the Wikimedia donation page.
 * For added convenience, here is the link in question. Donate Explodicator7331 (talk) 13:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

new draft declined twice and follow-up
Dear TeaHouse:

I am still trying to figure out the approval process for a new article. Draft:Anna Frajlich. Two different editors declined my draft and provided their feedback, and then I also received another feedback from yet another, third editor. I followed all the advice and am trying to engage them in a conversation about how else I can improve the draft or have it approved. So far, no luck. Should I just resubmit it for the third time for a review? How many times can a draft be declined? Or is it until you find a sympathetic editor? In my opinion, this article has been substantiated with many valid, often peer-reviewed articles. It also contains a painstakingly collected references to emigre media which is hard to come by, unless you are a specialist in the field. One editor remarked that Frajlich's credentials as an educator are non substantial, but her notability is anchored in her being one of the most important living poets which has been substantiated above and beyond. I would really appreciate a friendly hand-holding here. Thank you!

MatrosMonk (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, MatrosMonk, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you have opened discussion at WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk, but until this morning you didn't ping any other editors, so they probably didn't see it. You've now pinged DoubleGrazing, so they will probably see it, and may reply (or may not: we're all volunteers, who work when and on what we choose).
 * Where something was published is not an issue, but whether it was published by a reputable publisher is: I'm not sure what "the immigrant press" means in this regard.
 * One thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Anything written or published by Frajlich, or based on her words (eg an interview) plays no role in establishing notability for Wikipedia's purposes.
 * Every source that contributes to notability (and hence, the majority of the sources in an article) should meet all three of the following criteria: reliably published, independent of the subject, and containing significant coverage of the subject. ColinFine (talk) 21:31, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Since the second Declined you have increased length by nearly 50% and doubled the number of references. If you think that each factual statment is referenced, then resubmit. David notMD (talk) 01:35, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't accept it yet. There is a lot of refspam in there. For example, I see four citations for one bibliography entry, not even citing any sort of statement, so it is unclear what the purpose or context of those citations is supposed to be. Many unnecessary citations make the draft look like an attempt to disguise non-notability. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:55, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * On reconsideration, shorter may improve likelihood of approval. Does this really need "Selected books of poetry in translation"? Of greater value, rather than having "Selected critical studies and reviews" as a list, change that to a section under Career, use fewer, and paraphrase what these people wrote about her and her writing. These are the valuable publications that are essential to confirming her notability. David notMD (talk) 09:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @David notMD thank you very much for your constructive feedback. I will rework following your recommendations. Very grateful! MatrosMonk (talk) 13:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @David notMD, do you mind taking another look at my draft on Anna Frajlich? I still feel it is important to keep a bibliography of her translated books? Isn't it a big deal for an emigre poet to have her poetry translated into major European languages? I incorporated some quotes about her writing into the "Career" section which you so kindly created. I am, as ever, very grateful. MatrosMonk (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Waarom kan video niet gaan
@ 168.121.86.172 (talk) 13:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hallo! Het lijkt erop dat u meer bekend bent met het Nederlands. Wist je dat er een Nederlandse Wikipedia is? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with our company wiki page
We just added our draft yesterday and got a message to remove it. How can we get some help MOAerp (talk) 18:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @MOAerp: The message on your talk page states that the content used was both promotional and taken from somewhere else; as such, it has been deleted and will not be returned. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a promotional platform. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @MOAerp, if you are employed by this company, you need to declare per WP:PAID. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * OP blocked for WP:CORPNAME. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

What to do with frivolous comments on an article talk page?
Hi there,

I was interested in editing the Duolingo Article, and noticed the talk page was full of comments that, in my opinion, was not productive to the discussion of the article. What should I do with those, stale or recent? Thx. Realtent (talk) 15:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok, maybe not full of comments, but the question still stands: what should I do? Realtent (talk) 15:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * See this.Help:Archiving a talk page. I'll do it... as long as the phone doesn't ring in the next 10 minutes - X201 (talk) 15:55, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ - X201 (talk) 16:02, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I routinely remove frivolous and disruptive talk page comments, using WP:NOTAFORUM as an edit summary. Cullen328 (talk) 16:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Interactive guide to getting started with Wikipedia
Hello fellow Teahousers. I started to take my WP:TRIAGE onboarding steps and turned them into a simple interactive guide, User:Timtempleton/TRIAGE1. I'd welcome feedback on the talk page. TimTempleton (talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Caylee Cowan
I improved this article by removing Inappropriate content and providing WP:RS. I couldn't move the draft to Caylee Cowan, because it needs administrator access. I moved to Caylee Cowan(actress). Another user, nominated the article for deletion and after 8 days they decided to Keep it. The user who closed the deletion discussion, noted that it should be a request to admins to fix the title of article by moving it to Caylee Cowan. Therefore I commented here to fixing the issue. Regards.Mehmet-mk2 (talk) 06:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, it looks like you'll need to make a request at WP:RFHM. –– FormalDude  (talk)  07:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * It would have been cleaner if you had requested a move right up front, rather than move it to an alternate name yourself. By doing so, you created more work for an administrator to clean up. I have just done so: Moved it to Caylee Cowan, repaired the talk page, deleted the remnant talk page from the move, and corrected the redirect targets in draft space. This would have been a one-step process if you had requested that an administrator do it from the outset. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

neutrality
Hi there, I have twice submitted this piece and got rejected for being non-neutral: Draft:Lavu POS

What am I doing wrong? It seems like pure data, all from neutral sources...but maybe I'm missing something.

Here to learn!

Thanks,

DW Casablancaeditorial (talk) 16:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Casablancaeditorial, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, all your sources are either not independent, or are routine business announcements. Where are the sources where somebody wholly unconnected with Lavu, and not prompted or fed information on their behalf, has written in-depth about Lavu? Without such sources, it is impossible to show that Lavu meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so it probably doesn't. See WP:AMOUNT. ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Business Wire and PR Web are companies that distribute press releases for money with no fact checking or editorial oversight. Accordingly, such sources are neither reliable nor independent, and are worthless for use as references establishing notability on Wikipedia. Most of the other sources show the classic telltale signs of being generated by company press relesses, such as extensive quotations of company executives, use of company provided photos, and the like. None of it appears to be truly independent significant coverage in reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 17:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have to say, this is honestly the first time I realized that the acronym "POS" means "point of sale", and not what I always hear in my head when I see that acronym. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for this! Finally I have some direction....much appreciated. And yes, POS is, er, well not always a point of sale :) Casablancaeditorial (talk) 18:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , if you have not already done so, I suggest that you spend some time reading and studying Notability (organizations and companies) and Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for these! Casablancaeditorial (talk) 18:20, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Diffs
These "diff" things.. How do I do those correctly? To show specific edits in that cute little link consecutively? Such as a [1], [2], [3] looking "diffs"? — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 19:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Oopsemoops, welcome back. There are several ways to do it - check out Help:Diff. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * TY. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 19:11, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

"Log type rights"
I was just granted Rollback on a one month trial. Cool beans! But when I went to "View user groups" to see this and click the "Thank" button to say TY for the temp-perm being issued, I got this response: "Log type 'rights' is not in the list of permitted log types."

So I cannot thank this person without getting yet another perm or right granted first? TY. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 00:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Oopsemoops Please provide a link to a page you ask about. This appears to be about Special:UserRights/Oopsemoops. It is a bug discussed at T316860. It currently appears impossible to use the thanks feature for any change of user rights. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay let me go find it. One second. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 01:08, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Here can you see this? I only just now learned how to do 'diffs' too. :) —  Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 01:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And yes, it seems that it appears impossible to me too. A very minor problem, but if it could be fixed, I figured I would mention it. TY. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 01:10, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Problem with the article submission
Hello, I'd like to ask a question regarding my article about Codete IT company. It has already been published and visible on the Internet for a few months, but a few days ago it was deleted by Wikipedia because of the lack of neccessary updates [at least that was the notification]. After sending a request for re-submitting the article, there's now information about "submission refusal" with a long list of requirements that have already been approved by the Wikipedia team before. I'd like to ask for looking back at the latest article vesrion that has already been published on Wikipedia, and to relaunching it. Please, let me know who can I contact to solve this issue. Thanks for your help! IT Copy (talk) 12:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @IT Copy, welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft was never approved by a reviewer; you submitted it for review twice and it was declined twice. You made no further edits. Drafts that go unedited for six months are considered abandoned and automatically deleted. Once you have solved the problems the reviewer outlined in their notice, you can resubmit the draft using the "Resubmit" button. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft exists at Draft:Codete. An editor made a minor edit to prevent it from being deleted for six-month inactivity. It was never an article. Draft are not seen by search engines such as Google. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @IT Copy The company is involved in "creating technological solutions"? Please see WP:Solutions and reword that. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

GIFs in articles?
Are GIFs allowed in place of images? Someone edited the image on a page and I'm not sure if it's in the rules to do so, or how to quote that it is or isn't.

The page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Call_Saul ButterCashier (talk) 10:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @ButterCashier .gifs are OK. See Commons:File types for the full set we use. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * However, the .gif in the infobox of the article you linked is not appropriate, in my opinion. It makes me feel nauseous and isn't doing its job of letting the reader know they have reached the correct article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:00, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @ButterCashier, @Mike Turnbull I agree, that gif was a poor choice. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The page you linked to had little on it, I think you were trying to link to this page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_types ButterCashier (talk) 11:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @ButterCashier Ooops! Yes you are correct. I've reverted the other image as the logo is a much better imaage for the infobox, as you had already realised. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Leif Erikson's Descendant Captain Gunnar Marel Eggertsson Commemorates him
Genealogy connects Leifur Eiricksson (note 1 Modern Icelandic spelling) and Iceland’s modern day Captain Gunnar Marel Eggertsson, the ‘Iceland Knarr’ project’s visionary. Gunnar showed me his handcrafted model of a Viking Knarr ship, 29 May 2015 at ‘Vikingaheimer’ in Iceland. Gunnar believed Leifur sailed a Knarr ship, in search of land due west. Gunnar Marel stated his mother’s direct 33rd generation ancestor was Þjóðhildur Jörundardóttir, Eric the Red’s wife, mother of ‘Leifur Eiriksson,’ the fact discovered by an Icelandic Genealogist. (72 Gunnar Marel Eggertsson, 73 Scandinavian Review, Gunnar Marel Eggertsson, Modern Day Viking, Jennifer Marin, American Scandinavian Foundation Winter 2001)

Gunnar Marel and Leifur Eiriksson were schooled in Icelandic Sagas. “The Grœnlendinga” saga states, when blown off course fisherman Bjarni Herjulfsson’s sighted land due west.(74 Vikings, The North American Saga, Edited by William W. Fitzhugh and Elisabeth I Ward, 2000 Smithsonian Institute,Gisli Sigurdsson, pgs 219 - 220 ) Leif Erickson adventurous set sail discovering land due west circa 1,000, now identified as L’Anse Aux Meadows, New Foundland North American. (75 The Vikings, Lord of the Seas, Yves Cohat, 1992 Abrahms Discoveries pg 158-159) Norwegian Archeologists Helge Ingstad and his wife explored L’Anse Aux meadows in the 1960’s. They discovered, then excavated Viking Longhouses during the 1960’s and 70’s. They found archeological objects believed from Leifur Eiriksson and his Viking ship crewmen. (76 Vikings, The North American Saga, Edited by William W. Fitzhugh and Elisabeth I Ward, 2000 Smithsonian Institute,Birgitta Linderoth Wallace, pgs 219 - 220) (L'Anse Aux Meadows is a National Heritage Site and UNESCO)

Growing up in Iceland surrounded by open sea, Gunnar became an adventurous Sea Captain like his ancestor Leif Eiriksson. Gunnar shared he was raised by a few generations of Shipwrights from his father's lineage. He used his extensive knowledge of Viking Ship history and their construction in 1996, hand-building a replica of the 9th century Gokstad, a preserved Viking Ship discovered in Gokstad near Sandefjord, Norway, now housed in a Norwegian Museum. (77 https://www.khm.uio.no › english › visit-us › viking-ship-museum › exhibitions › gokstad)

Gunnar Marel used traditional Norse methods building his replica of the Gokstad Viking ship, naming it, Íslendingur (The Icelander). Probably the same historical Norse methods used building Leifur Eiriksson’s Viking ship. Approved seaworthy, Captain Gunnar Marel Eggertson sailed Íslendingur year 2,000 along the understood route, ventured by his ancestor Leifur Eiriksson, departing Iceland past Greenland to L’Anse Aux Meadows in New Foundland. Gunnar further sailed down the North America Coast, stopping at various ports, ending in NYC harbor sailing past the Twin Towers. Gunnar’s journey sailing his Viking ship Íslendingur, commemorated ‘Leifur Eiriksson's’ 1,000th anniversary of his historical journey discovering North America. (78 https://www.iamreykjavik.com › islendingur-viking-ship )

Íslendingur is permanently exhibited in Vikingaheimer (Viking World) Museum in Iceland. Íslendingur’s bow looks out the windowed wall, toward a statue of Leifur Eirikison set upon a jetty. [79 https://www.vikingworld.is/ https://www.vikingworld.is]. Iceland Officials bestowed Captain Gunnar Marel Eggertson with the "Order of Falcon," for his many accomplishments as Captain, adventurer, and builder of Viking ships; “the highest, most revered Honor, Iceland confers.” (80 https://www.forseti.is/en/the-order-of-the-falcon/history-of-the-order/ )

A strong connection to Leifur Eirickson’s sailed exploration to North American is the Norse merchant Knarr ship. Historically, Knarr ships were the largest cargo merchant Viking ships, believed used in Leifur’s finding and colonizing of L’Anse Aux Meadows, New Foundland. (81 https://about-history.com › knar-the-oldest-norse-merchant-ship)

Knarr's were exceptionally sea-worthy, capable of traveling 75 miles (121 km) per day. Iceland's history reveals Leifur Eiriksson would have sailed a Viking merchant Knarr Ship to North America, as Knarr merchant ships are deeper and wider than other Viking ships. Knarr's were able to carry a crew of 10-30 people, livestock, food, water and personal goods. Iceland's history notes Norse Knarr ships transported about 15,000 Norse settlers to Iceland during 874-930, the 'Icelandic Age of Settlement. (82 The Vikings, Lord of the Seas, Yves Cohat, 1992 Abrahms Discoveries pg 83(, (84 History of the Vikings, Gwyn Jones, pgs 269-282)

‘Iceland Knarr’, is Captain Gunnar Marel Eggertsson’s current Viking ship project, honoring his adventurous ancestor Leifur Eiriksson. Gunnar will build a full-scale replica of the 'Hedeby 3 Knarr' Viking merchant ship. It is the largest intact Knarr discovered in Hedeby Harbor(Haithabu), Schleswig-Holstein, Germany,1980. Gunnar’s 'Iceland Knarr' shall be hand built with the same Norse type materials, using the Scandinavian clinker tradition (lapstrake). Lapstake is the same ancient Norse manner the 'Hedeby 3 Knarr' Viking merchant ship was constructed, as would a Knarr ship Leifur Eiriksson sailed. True to Viking ships seaworthiness, Gunnar will build the ‘Iceland Knarr’ without any modern navigation instruments, as he built, then sailed Íslendingur.

Hedeby (83 https://www.historyhit.com › locations › hedeby-viking-museum) was an historic Norse settlement and trading area on the southern Jutland peninsula, were Knarr ships were hand built. Norse Hedeby had access via Schiel to the Baltic and North Sea. Hedeby, now Schleswig-Holstein area of Germany is where Gunnar Marel plans to build “Iceland Knarr’. When Captain Gunnar's 'Iceland Knarr’ ship is completed, he will sail the historic journey from Hedeby to Iceland, as many Norse settlers sailed during ‘Iceland’s historic Settlement’ period. The Norse trading area Hedeby was ruled by both Danish, then Swedish Kings during this period.

Gunnar will prove the Viking Knarr's ship excellent sailing capabilities in difficult seas. Gunnar’s planned modern re-enactment of Knarr’s seaworthiness, will enforce how a Knarr ship allowed his ancestor Leifur Eiriksson’s exploratory sail from Iceland, past Greenland to Newfoundland. Leifur Eiriksson and his modern day decendant Gunnar Marel Eggertsson are both commendable. Both Leifur and Gunnar influenced by their historical Icelandic Sagas, became adventurers, explorers, and courageous Captains of the high seas. https://www.icelandknarr.com

Nordicscripts (talk) 22:42, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I would propose that on the article's talk page rather than here. See WP:CITE for instructions on how to cite sources.
 * My own view is: The text above is not written in a neutral tone, and the wording gives me the impression that some textis copied verbatim or a very close paraphrasing, rather than being written in your own words. We take copyright violations seriously here. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Nordicscripts If your intent is to add something like the above text to Leif Erikson, you need to consider WP:PROPORTION, this is way, way to much for that article. Also, you can not write personal stories like "Gunnar showed me his handcrafted model of a Viking Knarr ship" in article text, see WP:ISAWIT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Nordicscripts "Gunnar will prove..." See wp:Crystal which says "Wikipedia does not predict the future". 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That too. If the sources are good, some of this could fit at Knarr, but that article is not about Gunnar either. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Upload of non-free media file to en-Wikipedia
Hello everyone,

I have been working on the article Yuzuru Hanyu Olympic seasons, which is currently undergoing a review for FAC. For that page, I photographed two monuments and a handprint memorial, which were installed in Hanyu's hometown of Sendai, Japan, in memory of his Olympic victories. However, I did not consider that the "Freedom of Panorama" (FoP) doesn't apply to 2D artworks by Japanese copyright law. So the files probably need to get removed from Commons (see discussion on respective ).

I was informed by user HyperGaruda that under special conditions it is possible to upload the files here to en-Wikipedia, following the rules of non-free use rationale, but I am not familiar with this procedure at all and would be very grateful for some guidance by an experienced user. Thank you very much in advance. Henni147 (talk) 07:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Henni147, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'll give you my opinion. The process isn't that difficult, press "Upload a non-free file" at File Upload Wizard and take it from there. The problem is that WP:NFCCP is very stingy. Afaict, these monuments are mentioned in the article, but is that enough for "8. Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding."? You can argue that these monuments are important marks of his olympic victories, and therefore meets the criteria. Could work. Might not. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the quick feedback. Do you know whom to ask best whether the image is essential enough/meets the requirements regarding fair use? I don't want to cause another unnecessary deletion procedure. Thanks in advance. Henni147 (talk) 09:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Nihonjoe, care to comment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * you might want to ask that question at WP:MCQ instead. (Given that contextual significance is a rather fuzzy line, there is no guarantee that you will get a definitive answer there either, but that’s the place to ask.) Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I will move the question to WP:MCQ then. Henni147 (talk) 11:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Biased for Humans
Wikipedia seems biased to humans in favour of other organisms, I think. Someone has probably mentioned that before. I suppose because humans are the ones using it, that implies the information is meant for them in particular, or only, but for instance the Sexual intercourse page has only a small section on other animals at the end, compared to humans. Hence, Wikipedia is destined to always favour humans over other species? It seems logical but not technically neutral in a sense. ButterCashier (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, this is, in a sense, destined. As humans, we tend to produce a lot more studies on humans and human-related things than on other organisms, and that will inevitably end up in such things getting more space here. This isn't a matter of neutrality as Wikipedia defines it (WP:NPOV), more a sort of systemic bias. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * See also the essay User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * To elaborate on 199.208.172.35’s point that Wikipedia only reproduces (hehe) the bias present in the sources, see Systemic_bias.
 * There is an in-Wikipedia tradition of making fake deletion nominations during April’s Fool’s Day. Earth, Human, etc. are common targets with the rationale that "all sources are from the subject, hence non-independent". (See for instance Articles_for_deletion/Human). Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Linked Pages
Hello. I'd like to know if there is any feature or function that allows you to see a list of pages that link to a specific page. For example if you were on the United States page is there a way to see a list of pages which have a link which leads to the United States page? Georgewashingtonshorse (talk) 13:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Either on the sidebar (on desktop) or as part of the top bar of options (next to the edit button on mobile), there's an option called "What links here". That'll show you which articles and pages on Wikipedia link to the article you're looking at.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) (&#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me!) 14:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you and god bless your heart. Georgewashingtonshorse (talk) 14:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Biographical information
I noticed that biographical information is usually in a text box at the upper right of the article. I couldn't figure out how to do that. Thanks. John Heckman JohnFHeckman (talk) 13:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a feature of Wikipedia's Infobox templates, which automatically format information into a box that appears on the right-hand side of an article when viewed on desktop. There's a variety of Infobox templates for various different subjects, such as Infobox food and Infobox drink, which contain different parameters relevant to the subject matter. Reading through the Manual of Style guide to Infoboxes will tell you more.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) (&#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me!) 14:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * hi @JohnFHeckman and welcome to the teahouse! these boxes are called Infoboxes, which are templates you can use that display information about something. there are lots of infoboxes for people, and which one you use depends on what kind of person they are and what are they best known for (are they a writer, athlete, musician, politician, scientist, a military person, or something else?) however they generally follow the same format. take a look at this code snippet pulled from M. C. Escher as an example:
 * most infoboxes have that kind of structure to them, with a pair of values representing the data type and its value: for example  displays something like "Father George Arnold Escher" in a row in the infobox itself. for more, I'd advise you to check out similar pages. if you'd like to refine your code if it doesn't work, feel free to drop by here again or ask in my talk page. happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 14:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * most infoboxes have that kind of structure to them, with a pair of values representing the data type and its value: for example  displays something like "Father George Arnold Escher" in a row in the infobox itself. for more, I'd advise you to check out similar pages. if you'd like to refine your code if it doesn't work, feel free to drop by here again or ask in my talk page. happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 14:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Positioning table in visual editor
Hello, I am doing a Wikipedia page for a local basketball coach and I am having troubles trying to position a table of context on the right side of the page. I would like it to look like Aleksandar Petrović (basketball, born February 1959). My work is still a draft named Alen Abaz. Thank you. Hamza131974 (talk) 12:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Hamza131974, welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you're actually asking how to create an infobox, not about the Table of Contents - is that correct? 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Draft:Alen Abaz. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, i want to believe that it is called infobox. So how do one go about placing it to the right side of the page? Maybe you can point me to the right direction on where to look for a such a thing. I appreciate your help. Thank you. Hamza131974 (talk) 15:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at Draft:Alen Abaz, it appears that you are using wikitable syntax for your box; infoboxes use specialized templates. You should probably use Infobox basketball biography on your draft. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 15:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * pinging, see above message dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 15:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

How do you get around a square bracket before a wikilink?
Is the only way to format a square bracket before a wikilink by using a nowiki tag (as in ⟨nowiki⟩[⟨/nowiki⟩ before the wikilink beans)? I could've sworn there was a better way to do this, but I've forgotten, and I can't find mention of it on any MOS. Thanks!—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) (&#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me!) 13:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @Ineffablebookkeeper and welcome to the teahouse! are you trying to display a link as the code itself Beans instead of the link Beans? you can use the tag itself, or to expand something to that if you'd prefer that. happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 14:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * it's more that I'm trying to write a portion of text in square brackets, when that text starts with a wikilink. I know you can leave a space between the first bracket and the wikilink, but I'd prefer not to – sorry if I didn't explain it very clearly!—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) (&#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me!) 15:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ineffablebookkeeper As in [ Link ? - just nowiki the first bracket as [  - Arjayay (talk) 15:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It is also possible to use formatting. [ Link displays as [ Link, and trailing brackets do not format the text as an external link. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 16:10, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Not sure why my draft article sounds like an advertisement- help please!
Could someone please help improve my article to remove any of these issues and provide feedback and steps to implement the feedback

Thank you!

Draft:HomeCo Daily Needs REIT HoHo3143 (talk) 08:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Since creating your account this month, you have created two articles about shopping centers, a list of locations of HomeCo stores, six (SIX!) articles about individual HomeCo Stores, and Draft:HomeCo Daily Needs REIT. All of the individual stores articles and the list have been nominated for deletion. The REIT draft has been declined twice, but does have potential to be an article. David notMD (talk) 08:42, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have realised my mistakes in creating those articles, and are happy for the HomeCo ones to be deleted. Malvern Central and Caulfield Plaza not so much HoHo3143 (talk) 08:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @HoHo3143 There may be more issues, but Wikipedia is generally not interested in funding rounds or capitalization; these are "routine business dealings" which don't help the average reader understand what the company actually does, and don't contribute to notability.  That's most of the first two sections. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears that all of the images were copied from copyright protected websites and must be removed. David notMD (talk) 08:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * At Draft:HomeCo Daily Needs REIT, you were told three days ago on the draft page:
 * "Please see the WP:CORPDEPTH guidance for reliable source coverage of companies and organisations. The only useful reference helping notability is Shopping Centre News. It is not enough by itself. Coverage of funding, mergers, acquisitions, etc. is considered routine and non-substantial for notability purposes. Please do not resubmit until additional better sources are added."
 * That advice was valid then, it is still valid now. You would do well to heed it. Have you read WP:CORPDEPTH? No amount of work on the draft will help if sources are deficient. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have gone back and read it, and thought I made improvements. That's why I came here and asked for extra help. The most recent rejection was because it sounded like an advertisement. That's what I was getting help for. How would I improve corporate depth? HoHo3143 (talk) 09:15, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I am mildly displeased that you decided to resubmit the draft even as the current discussion is ongoing.
 * To answer the question anyway: you link to sources that satisfy all three prongs of WP:GNG, with the understanding that "in-depth coverage" excludes routine announcements of mergers, opening a new building etc. If those sources do not exist, you immediately stop working on the draft, because it will only be a waste of work: for you, for the reviewers, etc. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The draft still has one citation] meeting the CORPDEPTH standard. Additional coverage of routine business matters, even from the same source, does not improve the depth of coverage problem. Before you resubmit the draft, at the very minimum you need to find another reliable source, independent of both the company and Shopping Centre News, the describes the company in objective detail (history, operations, business model, etc.). I also suggest you further trim coverage of financial performance, which is more appropriate to a prospectus than an objective description. • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

What is your connection to HomeCo? Your attempts to create articles about every HomeCo store, a list of those stores, a draft about HomeCo in general, all strongly suggest this is undeclared paid editing. David notMD (talk) 09:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * No connection to Homeco
 * I wanted to do some research about HomeCo and learn more about the company and noticed there wasn't a Wikipedia page. I decided to create a pages for each location, and upon feedback found out that they weren't relevant. If deletion occurs for these pages then that's ok- I made a mistake and am only learning. I am however making a page for HomeCo Daily Needs REIT as a company
 * I have absolutely no connection to homeco and definitely never received payment for the work I've done HoHo3143 (talk) 09:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , the thought of paid editing crossed my mind, but HoHo3143 has made extensive edits to unrelated articles that are very unlikely to be paid for (Warrnambool railway station, Reactions to the death of Elizabeth II). Notice that those edits are rather large, so it is not a case of gaming autoconfirmed / ECP status either. I am pretty sure the problem is overenthusiasm rather than paid editing. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:43, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It appears that the copyright status of the images is under review at Commons, which addresses my other concern. David notMD (talk) 12:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Company Page Creation Questions
Hey everyone,

I was working with a company to create a wikipedia page for my company, but found out recently that their services are essentially a scam. However, they had said that they have a "draft of our page" hosted on their end. We still want to have the wikipedia page created, but would their "draft" cause an issue with the creation of the page? We just don't want to run into a situation where we make the page and have it immediately removed for some reason. Any help would be much appreciated, thanks! Jakemadcooltho (talk) 16:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Jakemadcooltho, welcome to the Teahouse. First you should make the proper disclosures per WP:PAID. After that: there's no rule which says you can't use something which you've paid someone else to prepare (presuming they haven't already published it elsewhere). The likelihood of that draft being in any way acceptable is low, and if it's blatantly promotional it may end up getting quickly deleted, but you can still try creating it here. Asking for feedback before going to WP:AfC would probably be a good idea, and reading Help:Your first article would also be a good idea. But please do disclose before doing anything else. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:38, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jakemadcooltho, understand, too, that there is no such thing in Wikipedia as a "page for [a] company," as there might be in Facebook or LinkedIn. There are many encyclopedia articles ABOUT many companies.  They are ideally written by people with no connection to the company, based on reliable sources that themselves are independent of the company.  Once such a page exists, virtually anybody can edit it, and if what they edit is reliably supported by independent sources, then even if you don't happen to like it, there is really nothing you can do about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , In other words, Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia of notable subjects that are given significant coverage in published sources (independent secondary sources to verify notability) and written by (mostly) volunteer editors. I would recommend you utilize the Requested article function or use the AfC process as suggested above. See WP:COI in addition to the WP:PAID link offered by the very helpful IP above. Please disclose your paid editing as prescribed. Thank you. -- A Rose Wolf  17:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Does their draft appear within Wikipedia, i.e., if you search within Wikipedia on Draft:name of company does that go to the draft? If so, I believe that your attempt to create a draft be that name would result in a reply that a draft exists. If you try to create an article directly (a very bad idea), then the article and draft would both exist. Per User 199.208.172.35. start by declaring your paid connection on your User page. The company you contracted with does not own the draft, so if it exists, you can delete content, add content, etc., and then submit to Articles for Creation for a review. David notMD (talk) 17:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Should the article Firehose of falsehood be flagged as non-NPOV?
The issue in question is outlined in Talk:Firehose of falsehood. I am a newer editor and would appreciate some input on this. Thanks. ShabbyHoose (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You have tagged the article three times with non-NPOV and User:Valjean has reverted you three times. Tar is "edit-warring," and can lead to a temporary block from editing any articles. The proper path is to either enter the ongoing discussion on this very question taking place at the Talk page of the article, or start a new discussion there. Teahouse hosts are generalists. What you are seeking is a concensus amongst people with knowledge about firehosing as a strategy. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I think I'm being WP:HOUNDed
But I am concerned about opening a frivolous ANI. Is there some way I can get a second opinion or something? SmolBrane (talk) 20:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Just a brief look at your talk page and your contributions I don't personally see an WP:HOUNDing but if you could provide specific diffs where you feel you have been perhaps we could determine that more definitively here. -- A Rose  Wolf  20:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I am concerned about the editing at COVID-19 pandemic in Iceland involving an editor that was previously involved in an ANI with me . Please let it be clear that I am not trying to canvas or anything like that. SmolBrane (talk) 20:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The editor in question has never edited that article before, and is now reverting my additions, and only my additions. Removing lasting material from an article requires consensus as well(am I mistaken here?), and rather than re-revert(since I don't know reversion rules well) I decided to come here.  Thank you by the way.  SmolBrane (talk) 20:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This appears to be a content issue rather than anything behavioral so I would definitely caution against AN/I (someone else may have a different opinion). The first thing I look at is the article talk page and I don't see either of you attempting to discuss this there which would be the primary first step in dispute resolution. -- A Rose Wolf  20:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You linked the Iceland article on the talk page of Great Barrington Declaration, where this user has been active for some time. Perhaps they just followed your link? MrOllie (talk) 20:58, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about @Bon courage, they have edited the article before and based on their contributions they are a frequent on medical and medical science articles so I don't think that constitutes hounding. Again, article talk page is the first step. I know that's not a flashy answer and probably not what is wanted to be heard but that's my opinion in this matter. -- A Rose Wolf  21:02, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * They have never edited COVID-19 pandemic in Iceland prior to their removal of my content three days ago. SmolBrane (talk) 21:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Edited began with their first revert so I struck through as that was an error in my review of contribs. The second portion stands to reason why they might be looking at the article or followed a link there. They share the same interest. -- A Rose Wolf  21:12, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You are edit-warring and should re-read WP:ONUS and take it to the talk page for discussion.Slywriter (talk) 20:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Personal Biography for Wikipedia
I have developed a format for myself, James H. Mundy IV based on others biography's and would like to get mine on the register. I need to be able to attach my project to email for your review to add to Wikipedia. Can you help for ease. Instructions for either the Articles for Creation or Requested Articles are hard to navigate. Thanks James H. Mundy IV 98.146.161.109 (talk) 23:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I suggest you create an anonymous account and stop editing as an IP. That will give you more privacy and many more advantages here. Then save your proposed article on a subpage (format User:Blabla/James_H._Mundy_IV), all properly formatted and with independent secondary references that document your WP:Notability. Then you can get help from other editors so it will more likely survive an WP:AFD when it "goes public" and you lose any rights over it.
 * Another consideration... Read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Seriously, if you have any flaws, blemishes, or skeletons, they will likely end up in the article, and you will have no right to censor or whitewash it. If you try, the article will be kept and you blocked. Your life will be fucked. That sounds bad, but it happens.
 * Feel free to email me. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 00:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! I'd have to discourage this, since making an autobiography is heavily discouraged here. due to your inherent conflict of interest to yourself which could make your writing non-neutral (neutrality is required in Wikipedia) and creating an article already being one of the more difficult tasks for a newcomer to handle and still not an easy task for more experienced editors with a CoI, it's best to avoid making articles about yourself. there are also reasons why you may not want an article. I'd advise you to check WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for more regarding why we discourage them.
 * if you want to create an article (ideally about something/one else), you don't need to send an email to have an article reviewed, you can create a draft, then follow the Articles for Creation process to continue forward. I'd also advise you to read Conflict of interest (which detail the guidelines for people connected to the things they're writing about), Reliable sources (which detail what kinds of sources can be used to back up your claims, which is generally required especially for biographies), Notability for people (which detail the criteria for if someone counts as notable for our standards and can have an article]], and Your first article (which actually get into the article creation process]]. I know that's a lot of reading, but it's important to make sure your article succeeds. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 23:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If not clear from above, Wikipedia has articles, not pages, and articles are not "owned" by the creator, or for that matter, the subject of the article. As noted, WP:YFA is a guide on how to create and submit a draft for review, the reviewer either accepting, declining or rejecting the draft. For a biography of a living person (you), all factual content must be verified by indepedent references. If there are not independent publications about you that can serve as references, you will not succeed. David notMD (talk) 01:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I did a Google search on your name and saw nothing that would justify a Wikipedia artivle about you. David notMD (talk) 01:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

screwed up citation
The page I am trying to update with 2 new citations is Suffolk University Law School. My first two citations in the references section are showing the {{cite web | language, which I need to get rid of with your kind assistance Suffolkguy (talk) 23:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, {{u|Suffolkguy}}. When you use Template:Cite web (or any other citation template), you should fill out all relevant fields, especially including the title field. Leaving out titles creates problems including error messages, and references consisting only of bare URLs are not good practice. Cullen328 (talk) 00:02, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * hi Suffolkguy and welcome to the teahouse! I've worked on the citation with {{diff|Suffolk University Law School|1111797937|1111793877|this diff}}. here's what I did:
 * the reason why the  is showing up is because it wasn't closed (and the {{template|Bare URL PDF}} was opened and closed after it, which may seem like the {{template|cite web}} was closed), so I added two closing braces   after the template.
 * but before I closed the template, I removed the second  almost completely, replacing it by referring to the first reference, which I did by making them have the same name:   in the first citation, then   in where the second citation used to be.
 * and finally but most importantly, I filled out the details in {{template|cite web}}, giving it a title, date, access-date, and author. with that, I can then remove the {{template|Bare URL PDF}}.
 * happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 00:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Many, many thanks melecie!! Suffolkguy (talk) 01:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

New AfC draft marked as wrong class
I wrote a new article and submitted it for review: Draft:Vergence-Accommodation Conflict

I checked the AfC list page and it shows the draft as start-class, but it should be C-class. How can I update the class of the article? Rosedaler (talk) 03:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's actually "draft class". The AFC list page is automatically updated; you should wait for a refresh. The class is generally controlled by the wikiproject boxes on the draft talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks! Rosedaler (talk) 03:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Reporting Article Vandalism
Hi, I was wondering how to report article vandalism? Thank you. Ashen Knight (talk) 16:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You can simply undo the vandalism yourself. If you think it productive, you can add a warning on the vandal's talk-page asking them not to do the same again. If they are doing it repeatedly and have been warned, you can also request at WP:AIV that an admin take action. But if it's all on one article, you can request page protection at WP:RFPP; this latter is particularly useful for IP editors doing silly things, because they rarely bother looking at talk-pages, if they're on a version 6 IP address they won't see their talk page messages anyway, and usually if the article is semi-protected for a few days, they get bored and we can all go back to normal. Elemimele (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I should add: vandalism in Wikipedia has a very specific meaning, of edits that are clearly intended to cause harm to the encyclopaedia and couldn't be construed by any human as being in any way helpful. If someone has merely introduced material that they believed to be correct, but you know to be wrong, or deleted something with a vaguely rational explanation, then it's not vandalism, and should be discussed on the article's talk page. Elemimele (talk) 16:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * At @Ashen Knight Why did YOU vandalize the page Intellivision Amico at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intellivision_Amico&diff=prev&oldid=1108834587 71.228.112.175 (talk) 08:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at their edit history, uh, yeah, they seem like they're the one vandalizing pages. Good catch, random IP user. Liliana UwU  (talk / contribs) 08:33, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @LilianaUwU Well, I'm not quite random, but you're welcome. I'll sign up for an account soon... I think I have one or two hundred article edits under a couple of IP addresses (which doesn't change very often). 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Making a Wikipedia entry easier to read
I use List of 500 companies at Wikipedia to find stocks. I The entries are all there and legible, but would be easier to read if (1) the trading symbol(such as MSFT)were printed in black instead of light blue, and (2) your symbol that looks like a capital L with an arrow thru it were spaced farther from the trading symbol itself. This concerns ease of reading, not content itself. ...  Willard Felsen, who is also a financial contributor to Wikipedia and regular user for all sorts of things 108.160.36.125 (talk) 17:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe they're light blue because they're links. And the "L with an arrow thru it" is because they're external links (i.e., lead to pages outside of Wikipedia). Uporządnicki (talk) 17:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor: As  says, this is because they are external links. This is essentially hard-coded into the software, so there's not much chance that this will change unless someone decides to remove the links. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor, I assume that you are referring to List of S&P 500 companies. You can propose changes to that list article at Talk:List of S&P 500 companies. Cullen328 (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor, if you create an account, you can suppress the display of that arrow icon by editing your common.css file and including this line:
 * That suppresses the icon everywhere on Wikipedia. If you want to suppress them on just that page, the line would be:
 * But you cannot do this as an anonymous IP address. You need an account. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There are other, and arguably better, places on the 'net to find the components of the S&P 500. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * But you cannot do this as an anonymous IP address. You need an account. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There are other, and arguably better, places on the 'net to find the components of the S&P 500. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Amhara people page
Hi, a month ago my iP Adress was 2A00:A040:194:C4AF:14AF:E794:171E:E381 (I didn’t had an account) and all the sources that I edit on the page of the Amhara people got deleted. What can i do? Those were well accurate sources and they were deleted by the user Yonas Jh for no reason. Dsudil7379 (talk) 22:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The editor gave explanations in their edit summaries. You can discuss the matter at Talk:Amhara people or at User talk:YonasJH. Amhara people is an article that has been the subject of a lot of disruptive editing, and the entire Horn of Africa topic area is subject to Discretionary sanctions, so be cautious. I will leave some information about that on your talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 22:50, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dsudil7379 You said the edits were accurate.  Did you include references to reliably published sources? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The OP has been blocked. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

How do I add a vague time reference tag?
On the North Korea - Wikipedia page, in Foreign Relations, one sentence is "The relations were strained in the last few years". How do I add a tag referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MOS:REALTIME&redirect=no? סשסGrimmchild 19:56, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Grimmchild There is a template when but if you could reword to use a citation as to the exact date that would be much better. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. סשסGrimmchild 08:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Close gaps in article
Hi all- I placed an image collage for the years "2012" and "2013", but I notice that the spacing between the header "Deaths" and "January" becomes huge. Is there a way to close this gap without deleting the photo collage I worked on? Is it just a matter of rearranging things in the article? I also did the photo collage for "2015" but this article seemed to not have this problem. Thanks. The ganymedian (talk) 22:21, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * This is for the desktop browser. The phone version still looks fine. The ganymedian (talk) 22:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @The ganymedian: I'm not seeing any irregular spacing in 2012 or 2013 in the areas you mentioned via desktop. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:41, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I can confirm the experience of @The ganymedian. This can be true even without the addition of the photo collage. For a sufficiently wide window (or sufficiently small typeface), the gap gets large. In extreme cases, the "Deaths" heading ends before the beginning of the "2013 in various calendars" infobox; the "January" heading begins after the end of that infobox. Sorry, but I don't know if there's a solution. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 00:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The gap is caused by Clear at the end of Births and deaths TOC which forces the browser to skip until after all floating boxes. It is also because C21 year in topic is an extremely long infobox (actually several). Removing the clear template should help, but might cause other problems. Collapsing some portions of the topic infoboxes to reduce it's length might also help. MKFI (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Reading list
How to view my Wikipedia mobile app saved reading list in Wikipedia website Hirenfchotaliya (talk) 06:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Hirenfchotaliya, please see the responses you received here. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

About the Berklee Page as an Independent Reference/source for Roman Catholic Church Accompanist
Hello @User:Cullen328
 * Berklee page

Actually it was intended for the Roman Catholic Church. (Draft:Roman_Catholic_Church_Accompanist)

As you can see in this external link of Berklee (Church Musician (also called Accompanist/Organist): https://www.berklee.edu/careers/roles/church-musician

you can find the description and image of the cross with Jesus Christ on it (a clear symbol of the Catholic Church with Jesus on the cross). It's intended for describing what a church accompanist/musician is.

I think it can be used as an independent reference for this draft. At other non-catholic churches, you cannot find Jesus on the cross.

Please double check the reference link Church Musician above. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thank you for your time and patience.

Please let me know.

Nativefreelancer (talk) 04:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , this is unacceptable for several reasons. First of all, images used to illustrate an article on a music college's website are in no way, shape or form reliable sources for any content on Wikipedia. Secondly, when I click that link, I do not see a crucifix. Third, even if I did, our article Crucifix correctly states that crucifixes are, so your assertion that the crucifix is exclusive to the Roman Catholic Church is simply not accurate. Just search for "greek orthodox crucifix" on Google Images and see what you find. Cullen328 (talk) 07:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello@Cullen328
 * I understand your concerns. Yet, it looks like the Berklee College of Music has a Catholic presence for its students.
 * "We are also the Catholic presence for Berklee College of Music, and we welcome all Students, Faculty and Staff..."
 * Here's a page FYI:
 * https://www.newmanministry.com/colleges/berklee-college-of-music Nativefreelancer (talk) 08:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Nope, that is the website of a Catholic student organisation which happens to have a presence at Berklee. The "We" in the snippet of text you quote is the Newman Ministry, not Berklee College. Berklee has no specific religious affiliation, but like many other educational institutions, they have various student groups for students who belong to different religions and denominations. And the stock photo of a choir used on the info page about Berklee's church musician programme is completely unrelated to that. --bonadea contributions talk 10:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Cullen 328
 * Do you think a book found on Amazon may help? It can be an independent reference for this draft.
 * This book also contains a very practical approach with inside tips on what to expect when playing a wedding, funeral, Catholic Mass, traditional or contemporary church service.
 * Here's the page FYI:
 * https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Church-Pianist-Keyboard-Improvisation/dp/1468124811
 * Please let me know what you think.
 * Thanks. Nativefreelancer (talk) 09:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The Amazon link cannot be used in an article. What specific information would you use the book as a reference for? --bonadea contributions talk 10:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello@Bonadea
 * I think the accompanist will be a perfect reference for the universal church accompanist.
 * Accompanists from the universal church do similar things due to Universal church.
 * Thank you for helping me to improve the draft. Nativefreelancer (talk) 11:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello @Cullen 328,
 * I found a great book written by the Catholic Organist/Pianist accompanist:
 * Some description can be found in the ABOUT THIS BOOK section FYI:
 * https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087N994ZG/ref=dbs_p_ebk_kindle_upsell
 * It's very details. It should work. What do you think? It can be an independent reference for the draft.
 * I will rewrite the draft for more specific details soon. Nativefreelancer (talk) 10:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

About how to improve this draft/article
Hello @Duck

Thank you for helping me improving this draft: (Draft:Roman_Catholic_Church_Accompanist)

Do you think it makes sense now? I've added some description in the External Links: Church Musician and See Also sections for the Berklee page: Accompanist ("Accompanist". Berklee College of Music. Retrieved September 17, 2022) as an independent reference for this draft.

Please let me know how to improve this draft if any.

Thank you.

Nativefreelancer (talk) 05:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I do not think the issues raised above about sourcing have been solved. For instance, you namedrop Mozart as one of the most notable Accompanists of the Roman Catholic Church throughout the history of church music, but that assertion is referenced to a Spotify playlist of Mozart works. First of all, a composer need not be a performer, even if we accept for the sake of the argument that a Spotify playlist was a source for the fact that Mozart composed sacred music. Second, while it is well attested that Mozart did play the piano very well, I am not aware that he played the piano in the context of accompanying sacred music performances. Third, even if you had a source showing that he performed in such a context, that would not be enough for the assertion he is noted as an accompanist of RC church music - such an assertion would probably need sourcing from prominent music historians.
 * In addition to those problems, your draft seems to put in WP:WIKIVOICE things that are Catholic doctrine. The most egregious example is "reference" #10 (actually, a footnote rather than a reference), which states the mission of laity in Wikivoice rather than as a quote. The extensive quotes in the lead are probably not needed either.
 * Finally, the scope of the article is questionable. The role of piano or organ accompanist exists across quite a few Christian churches with little variation, so there is no real reason the article should be specifically about Catholic ones. Other articles on Christian topics (for instance, Eucharist) usually cover the whole Christian perspective before diving into differences. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:09, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Tigraan
 * Yes, Mozart was employed as the musician to the Prince-Archbishop of Salzburg.
 * You can click on the link to the Wikipedia page:
 * Or check the latest reference from an independent reference for the Universal church on the draft here: Draft:Roman Catholic Church Accompanist now. Nativefreelancer (talk) 11:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You added a reference to that page. First of all, that page should not be used as reference for anything per WP:CIRCULAR, because large parts of it are copied from the Wikipedia article Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Furthermore, even if it was a reliable source, it does not support the assertion that [Mozart is] one of the most notable Accompanists of the Roman Catholic Church throughout the history of church music, which is what your draft says. (If it does, please point to the exact sentence that says this. Being employed as an organist is not the same as being one of the most notable accompanists throughout history.)
 * As that is not the only instance of mismatch between the source and the assertion, I encourage you to read carefully WP:V, a core Wikipedia guideline. The basic standard is that a dumb but persistent reader should be able to verify themselves everything that is written in an article. That fictional reader is extremely patient and has access to many libraries, but they do not make any sort of intelligent reasoning, so everything has to be spelled out for them. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks like User:User-duck just fixed some issues with the reference templates. I have added a longish comment on the draft page. Regarding the Berklee college link, all it verifies is that a church musician can also be called "accompanist" – that's simply a dictionary definition, and the RC church is not mentioned. --bonadea contributions talk 09:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Bonadea
 * Yes, you're right. I think it can be an independent reference.
 * When they write church musician=accompanist, they refer to the universal church. The universal church can be the Roman Catholic Church.
 * Here's a wikipedia page FYI: Universal church
 * Universal church or Universal Church may refer to:
 * One of the Four Marks of the Church
 * The Catholic Church (the word catholic means "universal")
 * They are all the same. The church musician/accompanist do similar things in a universal church. Nativefreelancer (talk) 10:20, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * My feeling, looking at this article, is that it's too narrow, which will make it very difficult to prove notability, because it will be difficult to find sources that refer in depth to the role of a Roman Catholic Accompanist. I cannot think off-hand of any Christian denomination that does not use music, and has no one who could qualify as the dictionary definition of accompanist. And I can think of many Roman Catholic churches who have musicians, a director of music, an organist, or someone otherwise not referred to as an accompanist but doing the job of accompanying church music. There are many sources about church music, of course, and whole books on how to be a good church accompanist, or a good church organist, or a combination of both, but unless there are a lot of sources that define this in especially Roman Catholic terms, and draw a distinction between Roman Catholic church musicians and every other church musician, then we don't need a specific article for Roman Catholic examples of the species. We have an article on Church music but I can't see any general article on Church musicians, which might be easier to source, and more generally relevant. Elemimele (talk) 12:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello @Elemimele
 * Do you think it would be a good idea to create a new draft: universal church accompanist or church accompanist?
 * As we all know that the universal church can be any churches.
 * One of the Four Marks of the Church
 * The Catholic Church (the word catholic means "universal")
 * What do you think? Would it be a better idea to change the title of the draft? Nativefreelancer (talk) 12:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As we all know that the universal church can be any churches. As our article universal church (a disambiguation page) shows, that term has many meanings. Even so, I didn’t know the meaning of "any Christian church", despite having grown in a Catholic environment.
 * Keep in mind that Wikipedia is written with a worldwide perspective. Most Indians probably don’t know that meaning of "universal church" either (I would guess less than half of the world population can explain the difference between "Catholic" and "Christian").
 * Alternatively: do you know who Tripitaka and Sun Wukong are? Probably not. I would estimate that at least one billion humans know the rough outline of the story they appear in. Do you know who Abu Bakr was? Probably not. He is a central figure in the most significant schism of Islam. etc.
 * Many things that you don’t know are considered absolutely basic stuff in other cultures. If you don’t want to explain basic stuff, Wikipedia is probably not the place for you. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello@Elemimele
 * What about this one? Please check the About The Book section:
 * "Organ music for the Catholic Mass has a much different function than music played in Protestant churches. In Protestant services, the organ is often played as a solo instrument during the service. People sit, listen, and enjoy hearing the organ as a part of worship. In the Catholic church, the organist (=accompanist) plays during processions and the music must be suitable – essentially, the music must not be the center of attention. The organ must sustain the mood for the various processions supporting their place and function within the Mass."
 * https://sacredmusiclibrary.com/product/a-catholic-organists-book-of-postludes/ Nativefreelancer (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a self published book, which means it most likely should not be used on Wikipedia. It also isn't particularly accurate - in addition to the orthodox churches already mentioned here, plenty of protestant denominations (the Lutherans, for example), employ the organ in a similar manner. I don't believe that sufficient sourcing really exists for you to write a policy-compliant Wikipedia article on this. Your time may be better spent elsewhere. MrOllie (talk) 13:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I am certain that many Church of England sources would say much the same thing too. I was going to make the point that the existence of a book entitled Botany for Ladies doesn't justify an article on Botany for Ladies separate to Botany because the book in question is merely about botany, and the information in it is not different for gentlemen. To support an article Botany for Ladies you need a secondary author writing about the role of Botany in a woman's education and life (where the secondary author might in turn cite Mrs Loudon, the author of the wonderful "Botany for Ladies"). But there's something more helpful here: have you had a look at Liturgical_music? This has a large section on Catholic music, and a very short section on Anglican because someone has written a separate article on Anglican church music. Rather than writing a new article on Catholic accompanists, it might be better to add any relevant information to the Liturgical music article, and if the section on Catholic liturgical music gets out of hand, separate it out into an article Catholic church music analogous to the Anglican version. Elemimele (talk) 16:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello@Elemimele
 * I've checked the WorldCat and found a secondary independent source of publishing book from a catholic church accompanist.
 * I found a secondary independent source on WorldCat here: https://www.worldcat.org/title/59856687
 * I've added it to the first footnote on the draft: Draft:Roman Catholic Church Accompanist
 * You can also view the reliable source in archive FYI:
 * https://archive.org/details/unashamedaccompa0000moor/page/n1/mode/2up Nativefreelancer (talk) 08:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello@Elemimele
 * Here's a PDF file for downloads FYI:
 * https://www.scribd.com/document/371780152/Moore-The-unashamed-accompanist-pdf
 * The accompanist Gerald Moore, was engaged as organist at the universal church. Nativefreelancer (talk) 08:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Does this article warrant the amount of time we are spending on it here? Just asking. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello
 * I'm sure it's a notable source
 * Here's a PDF file for downloads FYI:
 * https://www.scribd.com/document/371780152/Moore-The-unashamed-accompanist-pdf
 * We have the accompanist, notable collaborative pianist Gerald Moore, who was engaged as organist at the universal church, wrote his first book about the accompanist, and was attracted to the Anglo-Catholicism at his early age. There's no rush to write a draft/article. Nativefreelancer (talk) 08:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Nativefreelancer (and @Elemimele), this conversation would probably be better off continuing at the talk page of the draft, rather than at the Teahouse. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

External peer review
Are there any new WP:EPR? I for some reason enjoyed looking through them, though there weren't many and none of them are from the last decade. — V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 11:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Not to my knowledge. EPR appears to have not been updated in a long time. Perhaps you could look online for a few EPRs not yet listed? CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 14:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

How do you cite chart listings?
Is there a specific template, or...? — V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 06:52, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * , do you mean for music? There are Template:Single chart and Template:Album chart for that. Unless I misunderstand your question. — Ixtal ( T / C ) &#8258; Non nobis solum. 12:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ixtal: Yes, thanks! — V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 13:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Glad to be of help :) — Ixtal ( T / C ) &#8258; Non nobis solum. 14:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Mass replacement of "Communist Party of China" TO "Chinese Communist Party"
Hi everyone, I noticed that Amigao has largely replaced the Communist Party of China (CPC) with the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in the English wikipedia and wikidata pages.

I have checked his talk page and found that a lot of people have put forward different opinions on his long-term mass replacement behavior, but he doesn't seem to agree with or care about these views, and continues to carry out this mass replacement behavior.

He thinks WP:COMMONNAME is the core policy, but shouldn't WP:OFFICIAL be more applicable to the Community Party of China, which has long announced and used its official name? What is your opinion on this?

Now I hope these pages can be restored, do you have any better way, thank you!—— Zzhtju (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 15:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The names most commonly used in Reliable sources are usually preferred to official names; see this quote from WP:COMMONNAME: "Although official, scientific, birth, original, or trademarked names are often used for article titles, the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred. Other encyclopedias are among the sources that may be helpful in deciding what titles are in an encyclopedic register, as well as what names are most frequently used."
 * So as an encyclopedia, we have to let these systematic misuses or the "most commonly used" you say ignore their long-term claims and use of the official name, is it possible that the "most commonly used" itself is intentional and wrong? I think It's a systemic prejudice and discrimination that you don't have the right to decide what you are called, what we westerners call you is supremely correct, we have always called you that way and will always call you that way, you can't change it even after you've claimed it many times.
 * I can only think that such an encyclopedia is obedient to Western centrism and chauvinism, embodies long-standing arrogance, and completely loses its meaning as an encyclopedia.—— Zzhtju (talk) 16:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, is there any problem with this batch replacement behavior, is it in line with wiki policy?—— Zzhtju (talk) 16:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Zzhtju, this does not seem to be against any policies. If you want to change or discuss policy, you can start by posting at the Village pump. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIAL are in agreement: the common name should be preferred. Maproom (talk) 15:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (Pinging .) Maproom (talk) 15:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Default to visual editor
How do I change it so editing opens in the visual editor rather than the source editor? סשס Grimmchild 08:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * On Special:Preferences, under Editing mode, select Always give me the visual editor if possible.  Madeline  ( part of me ) 10:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and nice username סשס Grimmchild 10:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated!  Madeline  ( part of me ) 16:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Declined on notability grounds
- 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I drafted a potential Wikipedia article based on one that is already permanently published. I followed the structure and writing style plus the content of the permanent one. I used sources like independent newspapers and magazines. Feedback was on notability. Are firsts for African Americans simply discounted even when they are documented? That is what I have heard about Wikipedia. 75.66.168.60 (talk) 12:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If the draft still exists (if not speedy deleted for a valid reason), identify it. David notMD (talk) 13:34, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * It's hard to reply effectively when you haven't told us which draft, but I'll do so as far as I can.
 * Writing a Wikipedia article is much more difficult than it looks; but this is not because of the visible part, the format and so on, which can be copied from elsewhere. It is because of the research that lies underneath it. Wikipedia demands that the subject of an article meets its criteria for notability, which does not depend directly on what the subject is, or has said or done, but on what has been written about the subject. You say that you used sources like independent newspapers and magazines. Unfortunately, that doesn't tell us enough to evaluate them. To establish notability, each source individually must satisfy all three of the following criteria: first, it must be reliable - most (but not all) major newspapers meet this, but smaller papers often do not. See WP:RSNP. Secondly, it must be independent. An article can be published in a top newspaper, but if all it is telling is is the subject's own words (in an interview, or a press release), then Wikipedia isn't interested. Thirdly, it must contain significant coverage of the subject. A mere mention, a routine business announcement, a line-up at an event, don't do it. ColinFine (talk) 13:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This seems to be about Draft: Leon Lynch. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * In addition to the above, the OP asked Are firsts for African Americans simply discounted even when they are documented?, which I will try to answer.
 * Notability is a somewhat objective standard of "there are high-quality sources about that stuff". If someone was the first African American to do something, that can generate enough sourcing to justify an article. However, the mere fact that someone was the first African American to do something does not justify an article; only the sourcing does.
 * Now, while the standard is kind-of objective, it is well-known that the choice of coverage by newspapers and the like leads to systemic bias. If the first white man to do X got headlines around the world, and the first black woman to do Y got nothing, which is more common than the reverse, then we will cover the first one and not the second one. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 14:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe that Leon Lynch is probably notable, but the draft as currently structured does not show it. The major structural problem is that the references and external links should be at the very end of the draft, after the body, and that the references should be reformatted as inline references. Please read Referencing for beginners. As a subscriber, I was able to read the New York Times reference. That article is a profile of defeated steelworker's union president David J. McDonald, and says only that he thought the appointment of Lynch as union vice president was a bad idea. That is what is called a "passing mention" and does not contribute to notability. Judging only by their titles, it seems likely that several other newspapers devote significant coverage to Lynch. Are any of those articles available online? That would be helpful. The lead section is inadequate. It should mention that he was vice president of the United Steelworkers for 30 years, that he was president of the Workers' Defense League, that he was an elected member of the AFL-CIO executive council, and a member of the Democratic National Committee. These are strong claims of notability that should be included in the lead section. I recommend that you register a Wikipedia account to facilitate communication with other editors, and I will assist you in further developing the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 18:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm going to ping, since they created the draft and might appreciate the offer of help above. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Account creation
Hello, am i able to create an account if my brother's account is blocked as a sockpuppet? I'm following him since a year. After reading wiki norms I came to know more about sockpuppet. I'm i eligible for account creation? 117.230.42.222 (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi IP user, welcome to the Teahouse. You are allowed to do it, but you may run into some problems, especially if you try using an IP which your brother has used and which has been blocked. You can request an account using the process linked to these words if you're currently blocked from creating one; once you do have one, it might be wise to place User shared IP address on your user page, and to be on your best behavior. Also take a look at WP:IPBE, which you may need. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

AfD
AfD seems like an advanced wikipedian manoeuver. I have been reading WP:AFD, WP:GD, WP:DP, WP:CSD, WP:N, WP:PERMA, etc.

Is this an example of an AfD edge case? This dude's almost absolutely a no-one in history with a permastub. He was once an elected politician. I've seen AfDs get approved with more sources, and more RSPs.

What is a good example of an edgecase AfD? Modern Methuselah (talk) 17:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think you may have gotten WP:AFD confused with WP:AFC. WP:AFD is the "Articles for Deletion" page while WP:AFC is the "Articles for Creation" page. Polar opposites and yet they work hand in hand. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 17:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I am very confused as to how you thought I was talking about AfC?
 * What lead you to believe I was talking about afc? Modern Methuselah (talk) 18:01, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You said that you've seen AFDs get approved with more sources and more RSPs which doesn't really make sense considering AFD is for deleting articles. Did you mean that they're closed as keep? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 18:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I meant approved as in, they got deleted.
 * What is a better way I can refer to the AfD process so that I don't confuse anyone else? Modern Methuselah (talk) 18:14, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused. Could you possibly give me an example where an article was deleted after there were more sources and RSPs presented? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 18:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I will look for an example and send it to you. Thank you. Modern Methuselah (talk) 18:23, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello,. Let's talk about Fenton M. Slaughter. According to WP:STUB, That article is not a stub and so I upgraded it to start grade. The article has nine sentences of prose describing this man's life. He was an elected member of the California State Assembly, and there is strong consensus that state and provincial legislators are presumed to be notable. In addition, a property he owned is on the National Register of Historic Places, and I know from experience that the paperwork associated with such a listing will almost certainly have extensive biographical information that can be used to expand the article, which is available for download as a PDF from the NRHP website. Calling him "absolutely a no-one in history" is not a good attitude for an encyclopedia editor. If nominated for AfD, I am certain that the article would be kept, and this is not an edge case. Cullen328 (talk) 18:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , here is a link to a public domain biographical sketch of Slaughter published in 1890 that contains lots of additional information about his life. It only took me a few minutes to find it. Before concluding that a person is a no-one. you need to have the skills and the willingless to do a competent search for sources. Cullen328 (talk) 18:41, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The substance of your citation is almost exactly the same as one of the working citations I read that are a part of Fenton's current page. So yes I did see that. I didn't say he was a no-one to everyone, or that there aren't maybe people alive today who really appreaciate that he was around and did things propbably decendants.
 * Also one of the citations on Fenton's page is dead. How does one fix dead links like that? Modern Methuselah (talk) 19:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Modern Methuselah, the best way to fix dead links is to check the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive to see if there's an archived version. If there is, it can be added to the citation. If not, you can flag it as a Dead link and maybe someone else will be able to find an archive. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Cullen328
 * Thank you for your comment.
 * I called the article a stub because at the bottom of the page it had:
 * This article about a member of the California State Assembly is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
 * I misread WP:NPOL and did not think state (American state) level politicans were notable, especially ones who are part of multi-person legislative bodies and/or ones with short term limits. Would members of the Lok Sabha all qualify for presumed significance? That's national and huge. Would members of the New Hampshire House of Representatives all qualify for presumed significance? That's at the American state level.
 * Thank you for the information about the National Register of Historic Places as it relates to subjects and notability.
 * I said "almost absolutely a no-one in history" and did not mean it with derision. I think the likelyhood is quite high that you, me, and almost everyone we know are "almost absolutely a no-one in history" or "absolutely a no-one in history." How can I phrase this in a way that is less confusing about my tone? Modern Methuselah (talk) 18:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , yes, members of the Lok Sabha, past and present, are presumed notable and properly referenced biographies of them will be kept. As can be seen at Category:Members of the Lok Sabha, we already have several thousand such biographies. The same applies to the New Hampshire House of Representatives (even though that is an unusually large body) if the article is properly referenced. Just because an article was tagged as a stub does not mean that it still is a stub. Articles frequently get expanded and the editor forgets to upgrade. I upgrade articles all the time that are incorrectly tagged as stubs. As for your tone, strive for neutrality in your writing. Perhaps you did not intend it, but I perceived your tone as derisive toward the article subject. Cullen328 (talk) 19:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your clarification on these things!
 * What is more neutral for referring to a person with "limited notabitlity"? Modern Methuselah (talk) 19:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

"Limited notability" is in the eye of the beholder. Within English Wikipedia, it appears that valid topics are state politicians, species, towns and villages, and (I think) secondary schools but not elementary or middle schools. Notability touches on criteria, especially at Subject-specific notability guidelines. David notMD (talk) 19:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Secondary schools are not presumed notable by default and haven't been for over five years. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 18:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Climate Change article editing
Hello, Teahouse. I would please request your permission to edit the main "Climate Change" article. I have background in meteorology and graduate level climatology. My focus is on "Droughts in California" which I have begun to edit due to incorrect or inapplicable information about the climate of California and causes of drought. I need to direct this page to the main pages on "Climate of California" and "Climate Change" for background that is not specific to California, possibly to other relevant pages. I will need to delete much of the content of the Climate Change section of the "Droughts in California" page since the content does not relate to California and comes across biased for that reason. I have just edited the disambiguation for global warming to clarify that global warming is one type of climate change (the terms are not interchangeable) and would like to add this detail to the "Climate Change" article; and further specify two types of climate change as natural and anthropogenic (man-made) since climate change occurred before greenhouse gasses were released by human industry. I will provide examples of natural climate change. I have also seen there is a call for climate experts, and I do see by my perusal the need on Wikipedia to improve the content surrounding climate. I am beginning my endeavors with the "Droughts in California" page. I may possibly be able to involve other academics in Wikipedia articles once I have entered material on level for review. FinancialCents (talk) 21:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @FinancialCents and welcome to the Teahouse. You do not need anyone's permission to edit. Technical articles are alway in need of expert input, but please read Expert editors first. This is quite different from writing technical papers. As an encyclopedia, our articles summarize published reliable sources (usually secondary), do not include original research, and do not draw conclusions that are not in the sources. Your examples will need to be provided using already published sources. We are happy to have you here. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @FinancialCents: Hi there! The Climate change article is semi-protected.  Once your account is at least four days old and you have made at least ten edits to Wikipedia, your account will become autoconfirmed and you will be able to edit the article.  Thank you for your work to improve Wikipedia!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:02, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes I see now that I am autoconfirmed. The notes and warnings led me to believe otherwise.  My edits were not accepted by other editors, so I have moved to the Talk page of the Climate Change article.  I am going by university course teachings by PhD researchers and also with core texts Meteorology Today (Ahrens, Hansen) and Climatology (Rohli, Vega).  My input is not politicized. FinancialCents (talk) 23:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I doubt that university course teachings can be used as references. David notMD (talk) 00:52, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Presumably you mean that unrecorded, oral presentations in teaching courses are iffy, because they are not verifiable. However, recorded presentations, or slides of teaching materials, or textbooks certainly are acceptable, and used in a lot of articles. See for instance the first six references of the article Electric field.
 * Of course, recent research in reputable scholarly journals trumps such sources, but in the absence of a disagreement between sources, teaching material is fine. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I sit corrected. I would have replied "I stand corrected," but first, I am sitting, and second, I am puzzled as to why "I stand corrected" is correct, even though I just found out that its origin is a play from the 1600s. David notMD (talk) 12:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Surely "stand" (and n. "stance") is here used in a metaphorical sense to refer to one's mental 'position' on a philosophical, ideological or intellectual matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.160 (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have seen signs in a sidewalk, in cities, that say "Bus stop - no standing".  Apparently "standing" covers a lot of positions. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The only warning I'd give, FinancialCents, is the same warning I'd give to anyone else wanting to jump headfirst into a topic under discretionary sanctions - Be very conservative with your words, do not blindly revert, and disengage if you feel things are getting out of control. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 18:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

When writing an edit summary, is there a way to stop the enter key generating a "Publish"?
On my laptop, the backspace key is just above the enter key. Too often, mid-way through writing an edit summary, I make a typo. Intending to backspace and correct, instead I've just hit the enter key mid-sentence and published an incoherent explanation. Of course it only happens when the topic is controversial. Or so it seems.

I can't see anything in Preferences that would change this default. Have I missed it? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:10, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I am not aware of a technical fix, but you can always make a dummy edit with the correct edit summary. Cullen328 (talk) 19:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've been doing that but it looks so incompetent that I had hoped for a Cunning Plan. Too bad, I didn't really expect an easy solution. Thanks for looking anyway. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @John Maynard Friedman, when I know a long or complex edit summary is about to be required, my solution a la Baldrick is to type it out elsewhere (e.g. in a text editor) and then copy+paste. Maybe you can try something similar. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @John Maynard Friedman, you could try to ask at WP:VPT (where the people with programming skills hang out) whether this could be addressed by a script or gadget or browser extension. —Kusma (talk) 19:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hm, my default editor behavior is to not publish unless I hit ctrl+enter or cmd+return, depending on what OS I'm using. Not sure how that was set up on my end, I was under the impression this was the default setting for everyone. signed,Rosguill talk 20:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi ! If you want this behavior, and are willing to try adjusting your common.js, I just tested adding some JS to my  (go to Special:Mypage/common.js and create it if it doesn't exist; make sure to heed the warning about copying and paste things in there, since it runs on every page.) and enter (feel free to edit/remove the line with the   if you want it to be silent):
 * Skynxnex (talk) 20:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Skynxnex (talk) 20:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

My gratitude for all the generous replies. I will try tomorrow. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , that is just what the doctor ordered. A major barnstar for you. Thank you very much. Applause! --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * More applause! plus thanks for directions on making it silent.Peter Brown (talk) 21:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @John Maynard Friedman awesome, glad it helped! One nice thing about this, I realized I wanted to add, was that you can still stay only on the keyboard by hitting Tab and then Enter to publish (for me at least, since the "minor edit" checkbox is part of the form but not the edit summary so it isn't stopped. If you want to toggle it to be minor, then Tab, Space, Enter will publish that.) Skynxnex (talk) 13:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * What you're observing is actually standard behavior for any web form: hitting 'enter' in a text field is the same as submitting the form. Every browser I have ever used over the past 25 years works this way. I am so accustomed to this that I rely on it, and am annoyed when I have to reach over to the mouse to submit the form. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , I don't believe that I ever suggested that it is a bug but only that on cramped laptop keyboards it is an accessibility issue. And btw, functions as a (carriage) return key or an enter ("commit") key according to context. In body text, it is usually the former. In one of a series of dialogue boxes, it can even function as a tab key (this box complete, go to next box). So the behaviour is a design choice. Yes, most often it is as you say, for a single dialogue box like the Edit summary and that behaviour is so common that most users expect it. But it is not a cast-iron rule, irrespective of circumstances. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:07, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It may be a design choice here, but IIRC for basic HTML web forms, this behavior (Enter=Submit) is the default, and has been since the earliest days of the World Wide Web when Mosaic and Netscape were the only browsers around. Suppressing this default behavior is the design choice. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:25, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

An honest question about the internet
I'm here from a coursera lesson about the internet...

For some reason the term "vector" is used and i'm just confused...is there a wiki on how tf the internet  (Specifically routing and "distance-vectoring")  and the movement of MASS by a certain number of NEWTONS have to do in common...

is the internet pushing information with a unit of '''FORCE?? '''

my dude...i need the answers. DuhFuqGoinOn420 (talk) 23:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi DuhFuqGoinOn420, welcome to the Teahouse. English words often have many related or unrelated meanings. Distance-vector routing protocol and Force vector are unrelated apart from some etymology in the word "vector". See Vector and vector for many other meanings. The Teahouse is a place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. You can ask general knowledge questions at Reference desk. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Formatting troubles
On this page I am trying to add the names of songs that appear in each episode under the aux3 column (labelled as "Song(s)"), but I just cannot get the formatting right. I'm essentially trying to make it look like it did in this edit with some corrections.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. - Toast for Teddy (talk) 22:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . Perhaps it would be best for you to self revert all of your edits and then work on them in your user sandbox. Once you get the formatting sorted out, you can then try and re-add them back to the article. Trying to fix a formatting issue like this often means going back to the last stable version of the article per WP:STATUSQUO and then working from there. A template like Episode table may only work a certain way and often it's best to work on any changes first in your user sandbox to work out all of the kinks. Moreover, the edit summary you left here isn't really "common practice" per relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. While it's true that Wikipedia encourages use to be WP:BOLD, others can revert the changes we make if they feel they're not an improvement. At that point, the WP:ONUS generally falls on the person wanting to make a change to establish a talk page consensus in favor of doing so. Episode tables in articles about TV might have an established format that all of them are expected to follow as much as possible per MOS:TV, and deviating from that format might be something that should be proposed on the article's talk page first. The members of WT:TV are a pretty active group and most like one of them should be able to help you with this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I changed aux3 to Aux3. Episode table allows both but Episode list requires Aux3. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thank you. - Toast for Teddy (talk) 00:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As I touched on in my reply above, there is sometimes a WikiProject consensus regarding how such things like Template:Episode table should be used in articles, and it appears that might be the case here per WT:TV. I still think it would be best for you to self-revert and initiate a discussion about this on the article's talk page to see if there's a consensus to make it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Update: Since my last post, another editor did revert the changes you (=Toast for Teddy) made, which means you now should be discussing them on the article's talk page and see if you can establish a consensus for them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Writing a lot of text
Hi there. I'm working on doing a peer review here: Peer review/Logic/archive2

As part of the review I did a gentle re-write of the lead section; I want to share this with the requesting editor, but without altering the article yet. I'm going to block quote it, but it's a lot of text - does this belong in the review itself, or in the article's talk page, or does it not matter? Thank you! GuineaPigC77 ( 𒅗𒌤 ) ☕ 05:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and put it into the review, guessing it can be moved if that's wrong. GuineaPigC77  ( 𒅗𒌤 ) ☕ 10:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @GuineaPigC77 You could ask @Phlsph7 directly but it is usually best to keep everything in one place, so in this case presumably on the Peer review page. You could always use the template collapse to place large blocks of text in with the option not to have them always on view. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool, glad to know, and thank you for the template! GuineaPigC77  ( 𒅗𒌤 ) ☕ 10:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Copypaste Issues
Hi,

I tagged Tweed Valley Hospital for copypaste but found the other copyright instructions confusing. Other than adding the tag with the link is there anything else I was supposed to do?

Carver1889 (talk) 13:37, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think should do the trick. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Just marked as WP:G11. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Trouble with Cluebot III
I added Cluebot III to my talk page to archive discussions, but I did something wrong and it's archived discussions into a "January 2022" subpage (which includes May 2021 to Jan 2022 messages) and a "1" subpage. It's been like this for a while now and I haven't got round to asking about it. Is anyone able to tell me what I've done wrong, and if I can retrospectively fix (re-name) sub-pages? Or am I doomed to forever have a slightly annoyingly-incoherent archive list? Many thanks!  Unexpected lydian♯4 talk‽  14:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Unexpectedlydian, welcome to the Teahouse. If you want numbered archives then you fixed the archive instructions in . You are free to move your archives around. If you use cut-and-paste then note the attribution requirement at Copying within Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Should this relationship be mentioned?
Hi, could I have some help assessing if mentioning a relationship is notable enough to include? I've edited the page of louise verneuil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Verneuil, including adding sources that reference her relationship with Alex turner. This section has been deleted by an IP editor. Looking back on the pages edit history I can see that editors have gone back and forth quite a lot on mentioning the relationship. I'd appreciate if a more experienced editor could chip in. Thanks Dontgiveupthedayjob (talk) 15:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, - I'm sure the regular volunteers here will advise on edit-warring and taking it to the article Talk page, but I wanted to shew how you got it wrong in the last edit, using your own interpretation of the article: "She has been in a relationship with the musician Alex Turner since 2018.". The article 'says' nothing of the sort, only that when written in December 2018 they'd had dates. It's very important in any Wikipedia article, but particularly a biography of a living person, to only write what's supported by the published source.--Rocknrollmancer (talk)
 * Hi Thanks for your reply and help. I hadn't written that part of the article, but had added those two sources as it was previously unsourced. I can see how those sources don't properly support what was written though now. Would it be appropriate to write anything about the relationship if most available sources are discussing them dating rather than explicitly discussing a relationship? Thank you! Dontgiveupthedayjob (talk) 17:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks - my bad for not trawling though the changes. I had guessed that aspect was why the Scandinavian IP removed it. If it's been reported upon then that should be adequate, providing it's termed sympathetically. Wikipedia is not censored.--Rocknrollmancer (talk)

Replace a redirect with an article
I'd like to at some point replace current redirect Specialty Coffee Association with Draft:Specialty Coffee Association - how do I go about doing that? JackDunnCodes (talk) 16:51, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * The move on top of the redirect will be performed by the reviewer when your draft is accepted.
 * It looks like your draft has not done enough work to establish notability for the organization. Please read through the notability criteria that apply to organizations to see what you need to do. Once you think you've done all you can, it will be time to submit your draft for review.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 17:27, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Xtools page for each editor
I've just discovered this page and been amazed at all the data Wikipedia collects on us editors. One thing I don't understand, however: are we being graded on our contributions? Some of the pages I've edited are marked "Starting," others have the letter B, and still others have the letter C.

I wish there'd been an explanation of what this means, perhaps just as a link taking us somewhere for a fuller explanation.

Augnablik (talk) 13:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Augnablik, and welcome to the Teahouse! I think you are referring to the article quality grading, which can be found at WP:Content assessment. Jolly1253 (talk) 13:37, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yesllo, Augnablik. No, we are not "graded" on our contributions. As Jolly says, articles are generally graded, but the majority of articles have been worked on by multiple editors, so it would make no sense to ascribe the grading of an article to its editors. ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, even when you are the only contributor, it has no bearing on your standing in the community. Tons of editors only create start- or C-class articles, and they're as important to our content-creation ecosystem as the ones who create good or featured articles. Often, the first group gets the ball rolling for the second group. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 20:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Category
Hi Teahouse,

Please how do I create a category? Thank you so much. Afternoon Daydream (talk) 21:37, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please read Categorization. Cullen328 (talk) 21:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Afternoon Daydream (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi
I’m new here any tips on editing

Many thanks, David DavidTDC3377 (talk) 17:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I suggest you take a look at WP:TIPS  &ddagger; Night Watch &omega;     (talk)   17:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @DavidTDC3377 Also check out Help:Introduction Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs) 02:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much DavidTDC3377 (talk) 17:37, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

HM Late Queen Edit
Please give suggestion whether this picture can be used instead the old one. File:Elizabeth II opens Welsh Parliament in 2021 (cropped 2).jpg Him9 (talk) 02:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @Him9 and welcome to the teahouse! if I recall correctly, the image in Elizabeth II is set to an older formal photo that shows her during her younger years as queen, which would highlight her better than a photo where she is older. there's a lengthy discussion at the talk page, and while it's archived, the talk page isn't really accepting more requests to change the image again since this RfC is huge and recent. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 02:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Complete Wiki profile
Hi team,

Pease help me to complete a profile of wiki.

Thanks & Regards, Susheel Sharma 2405:201:401A:9098:801:3F99:F32B:1F3E (talk) 18:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not have "profiles". It has encyclopedia articles about notable topics. Please read and study Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:47, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural note, Cullen328 probbably meant to link to WP:GNG. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Corrected. Cullen328 (talk) 19:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ...additionally, if you're going to write a profile (biography) about yourself, don't. Please check out Autobiography for why not, as well as reasons why you may not want one here in the first place. happy reading & editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 05:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Translation contributions for Wikimedia Foundation
I just came across a banner for the Wikimedia Foundation which read "We usually invite the world to create the sum of all human knowledge. Now we're inviting the world to create the sound of all human knowledge" while I was reading a Wikipedia article on Zager and Evans, and it provided a link for translation contributions. I guess this is for the recent "Sound of All Human Knowledge" contest. I am fluent in Dutch and am willing to contribute (I have already translated the above quote into Dutch) but was not sure how to contribute. When I clicked on the 'help to translate' link, the page it took me to wouldn't actually allow me to submit my translation.

I'll go ahead and provide my translation here:

Normaal gesproken nodigen we de hele wereld uit om de som van alle kennis die de mensheid bezit te creëren. Nu is de hele wereld uitgenodigd om het geluid dat komt uit alle kennis die de mensheid bezit te creëren. 173.80.41.189 (talk) 16:33, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @173: You can submit a translation here. You'll need an account, although I'm pretty sure the wording you describe only shows up on the banner for logged-in users, so I assume you have one already. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 20:17, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's been so long since I logged in here that I don't remember my username or password. 173.80.41.189 (talk) 07:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In that case you are welcome to create a new account. 331dot (talk) 07:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

untitled
What is problem alireza jadidi Wikipedia Javan81 (talk) 13:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Javan81: i'm not sure what your question is. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 13:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lettherebedarklight They are probably asking about Draft:Alireza Jadidi. The draft was declined for a total of six times, with the recent submission declined due to lack of inline citations. Jolly1253 (talk) 13:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Correct format for including unrendered wikitext in talk page posts?
Hi, I've been wondering what the "correct" way to include wikitext that isn't supposed in talk page posts is, perhaps for an edit request or similar.

Is <pre ></pre> and HTML escaping fine?

Responses appreciated! --Holzklöppel (talk) 12:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * If you're asking what I think you are, you can wrap anything in <nowiki ></nowiki> (as it appears here, not the way I coded it to make it appear!). I usually like to wrap it in <code ></code> as well, to make it obvious that it's code. ColinFine (talk) 12:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks!
 * --Holzklöppel (talk) 14:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

There's a Tarantino version of encyclopedia
The simple English wikipedia has a page about it, but this one only has a redirect page about it. Is that normal?

Keeping it to professional stuff...

2600:6C4E:1200:1E85:6C18:F1D7:8800:5D5A (talk) 09:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you mean by "A Tarantino version of encyclopedia", but yes, it is normal for different editions of Wikipedia not to contain articles on the same subjects (and if they do, for the articles to be very different): each edition is entirely independent from the others, and may have different policies, as well as different editors.
 * Having said that, editors are encouraged to translate articles from one edition to another, provided the subject meets the criteria set by the target edition, and the attributions required by the licensing are met. See WP:Translation. ColinFine (talk) 11:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe the page that the IP is referring to is Tarantino Wikipedia. The article on this Wikipedia is currently a redirect to List of Wikipedias. To the IP user: As what ColinFine has said, it is normal for a subject to have an article on one Wikipedia, but not on the other. Jolly1253 (talk) 12:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * We do have Tarantino dialect, though. Cullen328 (talk) 14:48, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The Simple English Wikipedia has 219,000 articles and the English Wikipedia has 6,555,000 so the opposite is much more common but they are free to create their own articles and they may have other notability rules or practices. I don't know statistics but I had to click "Show any page" 18 times at simple: to find one without English listed under "In other languages". It was simple:Margaret Hutton and we do have a Margaret Hutton but it's another woman. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what simple:Tarantino Wikipedia is written in, but it doesn't seem to be in English, simple or otherwise. Looks like a very bad machine translation. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Dachau Liberation reprisals
hiya, there are a few depictions of when U.S. soldiers shot concentration camp guards after liberating Dachau in various forms of media, for example in the film Shutter Island. i noticed there was no section for this on the events page, which i assumed was missing due to the subject matter itself or that no one had made a list yet. would it be appropriate for me to add this? Omsk346 (talk) 20:23, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Omsk346. IN my opinion, it would not be appropriate to add such instances unless they had been discussed in secondary sources. ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , we already have an article on this topic. See Dachau liberation reprisals. Cullen328 (talk) 21:39, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * but lists of depictions of a person or event in popular culture are common on wikipedia. its also alluded to in band of brothers. Omsk346 (talk) 13:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Omsk346, such lists should only include items which have been discussed in secondary sources (ideally with citations to those discussions), as mentioned above - see WP:POPCULTURE. Many folks come along and include items which do not qualify; feel free to remove them when you see them 97.113.27.216 (talk) 17:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Kurtköy Pendik article
Hello, Kurtköy, Pendik page has a Turkish language and an English one, I want to link the English page to the Turkish page, how can it be? Gökhan Kağan (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I solved my problem, I no longer need help :) Gökhan Kağan (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipage
There is a WIKIPEDIA page about me, and there is some inaccurate information, I want to change it. Specially where my picture is. I did not create it.How do I change the information Krislichri (talk) 18:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This appears to be about Kristina Lilley. On the one hand, you should not edit the article directly. On the other hand, children should not be named, so that was valid. The article can mention the name of your ex-husband as long as that information is referenced. David notMD (talk) 18:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have partially reverted your edit, because you blanked out information that was cited to a source and left information that is cited to no sources at all, in violation of the the policy Biographies of living persons. Wikipedia only reports information found published in public sources. If the information reported in the cited source is incorrect, you need to contact the source to get them to correct it.
 * Because you have a conflict of interest about yoruself, you must refrain from making any substantive changes to the article except to correct spelling and grammar, remove obvious vandalism, and add citations to additional sources that are independent of you. Anything more substantive you should propose on Talk:Kristina Lilley.
 * The picture of you is being shown because that is what we have available. We cannot publish copyrighted images unless the copyright holder has released it to the Wikimedia Foundation under an acceptable free license. If you have a picture you want to upload, the photograppher (who owns the copyright) may upload it to https://commons.wikimedia.org/ while at the same time following the directions at WP:CONSENT. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The information is not accurate, and they mentioned the name of my children, plus the information under the picture is outdated. So, it is a biography about a living person ( which is me), and some information is not accurate. Is there a way to write to you privately, and I can explain??? Krislichri (talk) 05:04, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Krislichri: Unfortunately, Wikipedia's accuracy depends on the sources' accuracy. If they're reporting inaccurate things about you that's something you have to take up with them. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Please re-read my previous response to you. It explains exactly what you can to to proceed. Basically, propose changes on the article's talk page, find better sources, and get a new photograph uploaded that can be released by the photographer under an acceptable license. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:17, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Question concerning a pattern of behavior of another editor
Hi!

I don't know that I would describe myself as a Wikipedia newbie, but I'm also no expert — that's why I'm here at the Teahouse.

Anyhow, I was reading an article and noticed that the tone sounded a bit off, so I used WikiBlame to search one of the more suspect phrases. When I found the editor who was responsible for the insertion, I noticed that they had edited a lot of articles on the topic, and that they were (at least in my opinion) of poor quality — either violating WP:CRYSTAL or WP:WORDS, flattening nuance, as well as just straight up removing information with no explanation, even at the repeated objection of various other editors.

I would reach out to this editor to have a one-on-one discussion on their talk page, but I've read their talk page activity elsewhere, and have found that (a) a lot of these issues have been discussed at length, more than once, with said editor, and (b) they don't seem to be receptive to feedback, if not being a bit acidic.

I would love some guidance as to the best way to proceed. I care about these articles (like we all do) and the scale of this editor's contributions is really wide — I don't feel confident in addressing them just by myself.

If any further information is needed on this page, just holler. LocalWonk (talk) 16:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey @LocalWonk, I appreciate you bringing this to out attention. Two things: This first one is a holler! What's the username of this user? Also, please note if you think it's serious enough, you can lodge a report here, if you consider it vandalism. Also check out Vandalism, Vandalism, and what I think would be the most useful for you, Vandalism. If you need further information, just reply and I'll try to help you out. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs) 18:24, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Urban Versis 32,
 * The username in question is Lmharding. I have compiled a list (including links to relevant diffs) organized by article of what I think constitutes a pattern of behavior, as well as evidence that any constructive criticism or concerns from other editors have been ignored. Is this the best place to put it?
 * As for the second thing, I'm trying to assume good faith, but I have my doubts. I'm not sure if it being vandalism so clear cut.
 * Really appreciate your quick response and being willing to help. LocalWonk (talk) 18:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on this, WP:ANI is probably the way to go.  Madeline  ( part of me ) 18:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think you're right about the AGF; I agree with @Madeline after you shared this new information. Urban Versis 32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs) 22:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

About Submission : Indu Prabha Award
Indu Prabha Award is a new award instituted, by a charitable trust registered in Mumbai, it is an independent small effort to promote habit of writing, reading and generating interest in Hindi language. It is a currently at a nano level and no support from any govt or any body. Hence currently there are no independent reference. It is an effort without any paid reviews or media coverage. Its information available on wikipedia should not be based on coverage in other sources. Is it not better to have a pure information to reach out to more people? Healjoy (talk) 06:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it not better to have a pure information to reach out to more people? No.
 * Wikipedia is not for promotion. This includes both basic advertisement ("buy product X now! (paid for by company Y)"), but also more noble / disinterested / NGO-type work.
 * Wikipedia has somewhat objective criteria of WP:GNG for determining which topics have enough useful sourcing to write something about them. If those criteria were relaxed to substitute the judgement of editors about which causes are worthy of promotion, all hell would break loose. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Healjoy, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 13:22, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Healjoy In addition to all of that, information in Wikipedia must be verifiable (click here).  If there are no reliable published sources, there is nothing that a reader can verify against. And that's not acceptable.  Hence the need for sources. David10244 (talk) 00:48, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Drafting an Article
Hello people.

I would like to begin writing an article about the book God is my Co-Pilot by GEN Robert L Scott, Jr.. Would the book count as a reputable source in itself, or would I need additional sources, such as reviews from when the book was published (1943)?

Thanks, A1139530 (talk) 14:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello A11! The book would not count as its own reputable source as it would be considered a primary source. You would need to find additional source in order to actually prove the book's notability. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 14:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * So if the original source material is considered a primary source, what would be? I ask because the book was written in 1943 and was a bestseller, which inspired the film of the same name, but as its 1943 original material and reviews and other sources may be harder to find. Thanks- A1139530 (talk) 14:15, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @A1139530, you're correct that they may be hard to find, but those reviews are what you'll probably need to prove notability. See WP:NBOOK. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:23, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @A1139530: You might find it helpful to read Notability (books) and Help:Your first article. Note that the sources you use (such as reviews) do not have to be online.  GoingBatty (talk) 14:23, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) According to WP:BOOKCRIT, a book is presumed to be notable if it "has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant motion picture ...", so the book is probably notable; but that doesn't obviate the need for secondary sources. Reviews from the time may be rather difficult to find, but finding them shouldn't be impossible. If you track down published reviews or other sources about the book but don't have access to them, the folks at WP:REX may be able to help you. Deor (talk) 14:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @A1139530 "if the original source material is considered a primary source, what would be".  That's a bit confusing.  To perhaps clarify, the original source material, along with anything written by or said by the subject of an article, is considered a primary source.  Wikipedia prefers secondary sources.  Reviews and articles about the subject (not by the subject)  are secondary sources, which are preferred. David10244 (talk) 00:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @A1139530 This source may be useful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:57, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The New York Times reviewed the book on July 25, 1943. The title is "A Fighting Georgian; GOD IS MY CO-PILOT. By Col. Robert L. Scott Jr. Illustrated by photographs. 277 pp. New York: Charles Scribner's Sons. $2.50." The author was Frank S. Adams. Cullen328 (talk) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * A1139530 I did a search at Google Books, and was able to look at numerous page of a book that may be useful to you. Go to: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Double_Ace/yYt_CwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22God+is+my+Co-pilot%22&printsec=frontcover And click on "Next" at the top of the page to see sections of Double Ace: The Life of Robert Lee Scott, Jr., Pilot, Hero, and Teller ofTall Tales, Saint Martin’s Publishing Group, 2016 (Use the page numbers that are useful to you for giving information on the book.) I hope this helps. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:52, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

What if there was a list of everything
like, every article that'd be cool 97.70.254.63 (talk) 01:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * and every single thing that exists or every other wiki also i don't know how to use htmls so how would you make an artivcle 97.70.254.63 (talk) 01:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOTDATABASE.Sungodtemple (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are looking for a list of all Wikipedia articles, see Special:AllPages. You can also use the Wikipedia API to get a list of all articles. Sungodtemple (talk) 02:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You want a list of all 6.5 million articles in the English Wikipeoda? David10244 (talk) 00:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Find more sources
I wrote two articles about the history of Luxembourg Luxembourg Communist Revolution and the Luxembourg Rebellion but I am having trouble finding more information about the events. I have a basic understanding of both events but I want to expand the articles. What should I do? LuxembourgLover (talk) 18:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , how did you acquire your understanding of the events? If from books or other published sources, you could try to get access to those sources, and improve the articles using what they say. Maproom (talk) 19:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that the sources do not have to be online, LuxembourgLover, as long as they are reliably published. ColinFine (talk) 21:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @LuxembourgLover And if your understanding of the events is from personal knowledge that has been gained over time, and is not from specific, published, cite-able sources, then you can't use that information in the article (because you won't be able to cite it). David10244 (talk) 01:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

source
so is a source with ".com" or ".net" reliable? 104.235.71.214 (talk) 01:18, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * It depends entirely on the source itself. See wp:RS. David10244 (talk) 01:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * That depends which source it is. The mere fact that some outfit (or person) uses such a tld is no assurance of quality whatever. -- Hoary (talk) 01:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Resubmission of Article
Hello Wikipedians!

I drafted an article - Draft:Tanya Abraham which has been declined twice. At this point, I've added as many references as I can. I wanted your opinion on whether the article has potential or should I just give up on it?

Full disclosure- I am a volunteer at the NGO she runs and am not paid for this. Rainbownautinspace (talk) 06:56, 23 September 2022 (UTC)


 * , your draft wasn't declined because it needed more references, but because it needed better references, ones which help to establish that the subject is notable by being to reliable independent sources with extensive discussion of her. Which three of the references you've supplied, in your opinion, best do this? Maproom (talk) 08:37, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * For all - Rainbow has declared COI on USer page. David notMD (talk) 13:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * To Rainbow - Maproom is asking for you to identify the three 'best' references here, so that Teahouse hosts can give an opinion as to whether those are sufficient to substantiate an article. This should be useful before you revise and resubmit. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @David notMD @Maproom
 * I think these reliable sources mention the subject well-
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * Also I thank you all your guidance! I really want to be a good wiki editor, all your feedback is deeply appreciated. Rainbownautinspace (talk) 16:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * All three of those sources are based on what the subject has said, and so are not independent. You need to find some reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of her. Maproom (talk) 18:58, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Refs 10, 11 and 12 only mention her by name as having curated the exhibit. This is not enough to establish notability. David notMD (talk) 01:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox
i was editing a whole page on my sandbox and I accidently lost it all, is there a way i can get those back please Imasadgirl (talk) 23:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Unless you committed the edit to Wikipedia's servers by clicking "Publish page", no. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you click the "back" key repeatedly, you may be able to restore your work. Cullen328 (talk) 23:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello,, edits that you have 'Published' will be visible from you 'contributions' link in the upper right section of a page when you are logged in. I see that you saved your sandbox once and then blanked it.  In your contributions click on the date and time preceding when you blanked it. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ariconte refers to edits in 2020 at Special:Contributions/Imasadgirl. Your account hasn't saved anything since then. If the back button in your browser doesn't help then I'm afraid any work since then is lost. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Offline source
Can someone please explain me how to add offline sources in an article. I only have the pdf stored in my computer. I can't get the URL. How can I upload the pdf as a source. 202.164.130.27 (talk) 08:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Assuming it's a usable source per WP:PRIMARY, WP:SPS and what have you, see WP:OFFLINE. Cite it like you would an online source, but exclude the url. Fill in the cite-info you have, author, date, title, publisher, pagenumber etc etc. You can find info on how to add a reference correctly at WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. It may be a bit hard to get your head round in this internet age, but the fact is, for most sources, a URL or link is a conveinence to the reader, and not an essential part of the citation. What matters is that there is enougn information for the reader to evaluate the probable relevance and reliability (so author, title, date, publisher) and to find the source if they want to consult it (the same information, plus ISBN, DOI, URL etc).
 * If they can find the source only by going to a major library and ordering (and paying for) a copy, or by registering with a publisher or newspaper, that is acceptable.
 * If you have a PDF, the crucial thing to ask is, was this published by a reliable publisher? If so, you can cite it without the text being available online. If not, then you may not cite it, period. What you should not normally do is to try to upload the PDF somewhere. In many cases this would be a copyright violation anyway, and Wikipedia does not permit links to material which violates copyright. But even if there is no copyright issue, putting a PDF up on a random website is not publishing it reliably: how do we know that it is what you say it is? That it hasn't been altered? That's what the "reliable" bit in "reliable source" means: that the publisher has a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control. ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Editing question
How to put sources into the editing, as I have to update the current events of my client. I dont want wikipedia to remove my edits for the future how I can improve my work here. Lakshaykk (talk) 10:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, if you are editing for a client, the Terms of Use require that to be formally disclosed, please see WP:PAID for instructions. Please also read conflict of interest; you should avoid directly editing about your client, but you may make formal edit requests(click for instructions) on the article talk page.331dot (talk) 11:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey Team, thanks for reaching out. Would you help me out how exactly I can disclose the who is my employer or client who is paying me, where Do i have to mention all of these things Lakshaykk (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Lakshaykk. It is all explained in the link WP:PAID that 331dot gave you. I have tagged Antara Nandy for several problems. Please read your first article carefully to understand what these are about. ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine Shouldn't Antara_Nandy be moved (back) to draft? David10244 (talk) 01:19, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you wish. A quick glance failed to produce any suitable sources, so I think it's probably more efficient to go straight to AFD. But I haven't taken the time to do WP:BEFORE so far.
 * I observe that has still not made the mandatory declaration, and has edited the article again, adding more unreferenced information, with, again, a misleading edit summary and claim of minor edit. I may take this to WP:ANI later today. ColinFine (talk) 09:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

User Name
I was a professional musician back in the 1970's and 80's - My stage name was Catfish Roy Mann. I performed at Gerdes Folk City in NYC. I was trying to add my name to the list of performers at Gerdes. I added my name but when I tried to create a profile page here on Wikipedia, they suggested not using my real name. So instead I created a profile page as "Catfish Roy". But when I click on my name on Gerdes List no page is referenced. How can I fix this? Catfish Roy (talk) 15:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, . I'm afraid you missed the fact Wikipedia is not means of promotion in general, and specifically it's not a place for self-promotion. --CiaPan (talk) 15:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmmm....look at Gerdes Folk City page - there is a list of about 100 musicians listed who played there. Catfish Roy (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Usernames are not tied to article names in the sence that having a username which matches an article name doesn't grant oneself any sort of extra previleges or control of that article. Also, creating a user account here does not automatically create an article with the same name. Having a username that is the same as one's real name is discouraged as that means everybody can view what you are doing. This reasoning is also futher expanded in WP:REALWORLD. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * If you believe you meet any of the inclusion criteria described in WP:MUSICBIO, you can try your hand at writing an article, provided you write it as a draft and submit it for review. See Articles for creation for guidance. The list to which you tried to add your name is not an indiscriminate list; it is a list of links to other Wikipedia articles (and not links to user account pages). ~Anachronist (talk) 18:48, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Catfish Roy (talk) 20:14, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Catfish Roy WP has its own, different terminology. When you said you tried to create a "profile page", technically you were trying to create a Wikipedia account.  Your "user page" is not a profile like social media; its purpose is to tell others about you as a wikipedia editor.  And, as mentioned, any user (with any account name) can edit (almost) any article in Wikipedia, as long as the editing guidelines are followed. David10244 (talk) 01:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you David Catfish Roy (talk) 10:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

== Cát Bà Island is the largest of the 367 islands spanning 260 km2 (100 sq mi) that comprise the Cat Ba Archipelago, which makes up the southeastern edge of Lan Ha Bay in Northern Vietnam. Cat Ba island has a surface area of 285 km2 (110 sq mi)[clarification needed] ==

The only clarification needed to the second sentence that might be appropriate is to state that the areas are stated to the closest one unit of area. 110.0000... square miles turn out to be 284.8987 square kilometers. Verifying that the area of Cat Ba is actually between 109.50000... and 110.4999999... square kilometers is a different issue to which I cannot contribute. The second sentence and the first one, however are in contradiction: it is impossible for the largest island of an archipelago (at 285 km2) to be larger than the 387 islands that comprise it (said to be 260 km2). The [clarification needed] is placed in a position that is confusing. You might consider giving the sources of the areas of the archipelago and of Cat Ba and pointing out the contradiction. Emilio Venezian (talk) 10:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , when I look at Cát Bà Island on Google Earth, its area is less than 60 square miles. So that figure of 110 sq mi doesn't mean what it appears to mean. It is also incompatible with the statement at the start of the article, that the whole archipelago has an area of 100 sq mi. Maproom (talk) 11:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Cass elliot
You state that cass elliot from the mamma's and pampas died in 1974 but at the Start of your article it reads she released her solo album in 1998 this must be an error 2001:8003:6C30:C200:AD1F:5EF0:131:9C04 (talk) 11:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * No, what it says is Elliot released five solo albums. In 1998, she was posthumously.... If you do find any actual errors, feel free to be WP:BOLD and correct them (based on cited sources, of course.) Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Hudson &Rex actor Daniel Maslany Sept 25 episode
Did the above actor have a role this episode. 142.189.71.223 (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Please ask this question at Reference desk/Entertainment. Thank you. -- Hoary (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Creating an autobiography
Hello Guys, Hope all is Good Can anyone assist me with a biography for Youssef Yassin. I have created an biography as he is a notable man and philanthropist in the Mena Region and well known and adore also. But actually this is my first time writing an article on wikipedia will really appreciate if anyone can assit,On how should i write the article and article layout. Thank you Husseinkyassin (talk) 10:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Husseinkyassin: read up on help:your first article. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 10:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Husseinkyassin You appear from the Draft:Youssef Yassin to be the brother of its subject. While it is not forbidden to write a draft where you have a conflict of interest, it is discouraged for the reasons mentioned at that link. Also, you have clearly included information which you know to be "true" because you are his brother but no-one can verify because you have not provided inline citations. Wikpedia has a strict policy for biographies of living people that all facts must be sourced: and to demonstrate that the person is notable in Wikipedia's meaning of that word these sources need to be reliable and independent. You currently have no sources at all of that type and the draft cannot be accepted until they are added. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * dear,
 * Thank you for the assist.That true as you mentions i'm his brother,In fact Youssef is notable In the Mena Region for his Donations and philanthropist and for his business he runs.So what i believe if i add independent and reliable Inline citations.it can be approved. Husseinkyassin (talk) 11:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Do not resubmit until all facts are either verified by independent references (not his website(s), interviews, LinkedIn, Facebook, etc.) or else removed from the draft. David notMD (talk) 13:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Did a new Move Request Discussion but ended up in the same section
I used the code for a move discussion, but it seems to have pasted it in the same green box as the previous move discussion. It shows up as a new section in the talk page table of contents, but shows up underneath the 2017 move discussion. It appears automatically in the Current Discussions here, so I think the code worked, but I am making sure I put it in the right area, because I know these things can be auto closed if I didn't do it correctly.

For article on Nadezhda Tolokonnikova. Pathofkarma (talk) 01:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Pathofkarma. It looks like you did it right. The error was made in 2017 when the old discussion wasn't closed correctly. I have fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, looks much better now. Pathofkarma (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

question
can we start a bunch of different "clubs" or make wikiclubs that will basically be wikipedia chatrooms to talk about certain interests like science, star wars and tardigrades (please consider my suggestion) AkJackster (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * We already have WikiProject Science and WikiProject Star Wars. Theroadislong (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * what wut when AkJackster (talk) 16:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant like an actual chat room. AkJackster (talk) 16:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is WP:NOTASOCIALNETWORK, or a place to store content not related to the encyclopedia. That's just the way the project is intended, however there are of course many other places on the web to chat about fandoms and science. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 16:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ok, just wondering, thank you : ) AkJackster (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I want to write an article about someone I know
I recently met someone who I believe, as a public figure, is adequately noteworthy to have their own wikipedia page. I want to do it as I believe there should be more pages about powerful women on wikipedia.

Is this something I am allowed to do? Or is it breaking wiki rules? I have declared a CoI on my page.

The article would be about Dr. Zenna Hopson, the former Chairman of Ofsted, non-executive director on the board of the Royal Navy. She is also a regular contributor to Sky News and is on the board of several charities.

Thank you so much, I am so grateful for any help! AudraNoble1 (talk) 15:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Audra! Unfortunately you are wanting to do one of the hardest things to do when you first start editing Wikipedia which is creating an article. It is highly recommended you make smaller edits (such as grammar fixes, spelling fixes as long as it isn't changing between different variations of English, general copy edits) first before attempting to create an article.
 * If you insist on creating the article you must first determine if the person you are wanting to create an article on (in this case "Dr. Zenna Hopson") is notable according to Wikipedia's general notability guidelines and that all information in the article complies with Wikipedia's policy of biographies of living people. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 15:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, thank you so much for your help, this is really useful :) AudraNoble1 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for declaring a COI. If you are compensated in any way by this person, you must also make the stricter paid editing disclosure, a Terms of Use requirement.
 * Wikipedia has articles, not pages. These articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability-such as the definition of a notable person. If you have such sources, and they are not press releases, announcements of routine activities, or otherwise related to the person, you may create and submit a draft at Articles for creation. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 15:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, I am not being paid to do this. Thank you so much for all the information, its really helpful! AudraNoble1 (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * A quick Google of the name Zenna Hopson shows very few references which are WP:INDEPENDENT of her, unfortunately. You need to find about WP:THREE such sources to have any hope of getting a draft accepted. Focus on quality of sources, not quantity! Write-ups in newspapers that were not just based on interviews may be your best bet. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:40, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Audra, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. As others have said, creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks there is in editing Wikipedia, and since Wikipedia articles should be based on sources unconnected with the subject, it relies on finding such independent sources. Such sources are often harder to find for women than for men, and this systemic bias in news and publishing generally gets propagated in Wikipedia. There is a Project in Wikipedia devoted to redressing this imbalance, and you may find it useful to team up with other people from WP:WikiProject Women in Red. ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI - Podcasts, interviews, press releases, social media, her publications, etc. can in some instances be references for information, but do not contribute to etablishing notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. David notMD (talk) 16:48, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And you need to be aware that if you do succeed in getting such an article into Wikipedia, it won't be her own or their own or anybody else's own Wikipedia page. It will be an encyclopedia article about that person--an article that anybody at all will be able to edit.  And then, if you/she/they do not like those edits, as long as they are relevant and well-supported by independent sources, there will be very little you/she/they can do about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand, thank you, sorry, was just a mistake in how i phrased it AudraNoble1 (talk) 18:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * hmm ok, good to know, thanks so much! AudraNoble1 (talk) 18:34, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing the women in red project, its really interesting! AudraNoble1 (talk) 18:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Princess Alice of Battenberg: error
In the 4th paragraph from the top of page state’s “..in 1967, Princess Andrew was invited by her son and daughter-in-law..” Mistake obviously being “Princess Andrew”..it’s Alice. 😉KM 208.103.248.179 (talk) 21:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Just above, it is explained: "After marrying Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark in 1903, she adopted the style of her husband, becoming Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark." Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

map of pakistan on wikipedia page
ive noticed something odd about the map of pakistan on the countrys wikipedia page. it shows they claim a coastal region of india. im very confused by that as ive not seen any other sources or maps show this region as claimed. Omsk346 (talk) 23:17, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This looks like the source. []. You could start a discussion and ping Wikipedia talk:Notice board for Pakistan-related topics.  <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  00:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's news to me but File:PAK orthographic.svg gives the source which does show such a claim on an area called Junagadh and Manavadar. Those articles also mention the claim. Junagadh ends with:
 * Pakistan's government has maintained its territorial claim on Junagadh, along with Manavadar and Sir Creek in Gujarat, on its official political map.
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Official Telegram Chat Citing
How does one quote official telegram chats, specifically for political spokesperson of a foreign government. Can one cite with a share link to the telegram link, or should this be archived somewhere. What about if this is in a foreign language, how should it be cited? This is for Maria Zakharova, Spokeswoman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. Pathofkarma (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Pathofkarma, and welcome to the Teahouse. If Telegram works as I think it does, I don't see how you can possibly quote from it: all information in a Wikipedia article must derive from a reliably published source. Twitter and Facebook posts can be used in certain circumstances, as self-published sources - but they are still published. There is no way for an arbitrary reader to obtain a cited Telegram post, as far as I know, so it cannot be cited or used. ColinFine (talk) 18:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Verifiability is the key policy here. Any cited source must be publicly accessible, so that anyone can verify it. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * So if it is a public announcement channel, then it would be considered publicly accessible and fulfill WP:V ? Pathofkarma (talk) 20:38, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It is a bit different actually. In eastern europer, telegram is used the same way twitter is used - with official & public statements being made by officials with verified accounts.
 * So for this person Maria Zakharova this is her telegram https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova with verified badge.
 * You can link to specific posts in this, like you would a specific tweet. Pathofkarma (talk) 20:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If a post is accessible via a permalink, then we can cite it, although we should prefer alternatives if we can help it. The kind of social media post that we would normally discuss in a Wikipedia article are often also the kind a reliable source would publish something about.
 * I fiddled with the Telegram channel linked, but wasn't able to reliably archive anything there on Wayback Machine. Thus, the links are rather flimsy (e.g. they would break if Telegram, Zakharova, or the Russian Federation decided to delete them). To prevent link rot, you can quote or excerpt the post in the citation, and for non-English sources, there are parameters for language and translation.
 * Here's my best shot at the formatting of such a citation:
 * –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 01:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your example, very helpful. I was able to use wayback machine to archive, so in that case could include an archive url in the citation to prevent link rot. Pathofkarma (talk) 02:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Adding WikiProjects
Hi Teahouse,

I’m Afternoon Daydream. Please how do I add Wikiprojects in an article talk page? Thank you so much. Afternoon Daydream (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The particular WikiProject will tell you how to add a link to it. Alternatively, look at the talk page for an article on a similar subject, copy the relevant code, post it into the talk page where you want it, edit "class" and "importance", and publish. (I'm assuming that you are editing the source code, and not using the "visual editor".) -- Hoary (talk) 23:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Afternoon Daydream (talk) 03:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Donations
'''Why no one donates to keep your left-wing spew going? It's simple. You don't report truth and facts. If it's not left-wing it's not news or history. Case example: Giorgia Meloni's election as Prime Minister of Italy. Giorgia Meloni was victorious in Italy’s elections and promised to govern for all citizens, after exit polls gave her coalition a clear majority, putting her on course to create the country’s most rightwing government since the end of the second world war. ''' 2601:4C1:C880:AD10:697D:C411:4099:A6A6 (talk) 02:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You are correct, we don't do any reporting. Instead, Wikipedia's goal is to write encyclopedic articles based upon what reliable sources say about the topic.  That said, the Teahouse is designed to help editors with editing problems. We do not speak for the Wikimedia Foundation.  Per the large banner at the top of the page when you edit here, how can we help you with your editing experience, within Wikipedia policy?   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft for review 'request for a decrease in protection' page
Hi, I have creating a draft page for Newgen Software which has been locked. Here is the draft. Please review it and decrease the protection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neeshu30 @Malcolmxl5 Thanks Neeshu30 (talk) 12:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Neeshu30, you put it in your user page. Your user page is not a place for drafts. That matter aside, it's underreferenced and written in opaque corporate-advertising speak; so wherever you place it, it's not likely to be promoted to article status any time soon. -- Hoary (talk) 12:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Neeshu, and welcome to the Teahouse. It looks as if you have a (very common) misunderstanding about Wikipedia: the idea that Wikipedia is a platforn for Promotion (a.k.a. telling the world about something). Wikipedia is only interested in subjects that the world has already been told about, and not by the subject or its makers. In fact, Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 14:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to Draft:Newgen Software Technologies Limited for now. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:12, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks @ColinFine, @Hoary and @Victor Schmidt Neeshu30 (talk) 07:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

The number of words
There are currently 4,208,477,552 words on wikipedia. The maximum size of an unsigned integer is 4,294,967,296. Is this going to cause a problem with the stats page if it goes over? 2600:6C4E:1200:1E85:38FA:3057:8479:E283 (talk) 22:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You refer to Special:Statistics. Our sister site wikidata:Special:Statistics says "Words in all content pages 12,020,972,401". They use the same software so I guess there will be no problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Without having read the MediaWiki source code, I am pretty sure that variable is a 8-byte, if not larger. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Page move to Article space
I would like to move my article Draft:Nier: Automata (TV series) but the name was taken as a redirect. How can i overwrite the empty redirect? WillsEdtior777 (talk) 09:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, WillsEdtior, and welcome to the Teahouse. Some people advocate a copy and paste (see copying within Wikipedia for how to handle the attribution). I think it is prefereble to ask an admin to move the draft: see WP:RM. ColinFine (talk) 10:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Isn't it possible to remove the redirect? As i renamed the redirect and it caused this issue in the first place. WillsEdtior777 (talk) 11:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Please don't move it to mainspace at this point. The draft doesn't show that the TV series is notable, and at least three of the four sources are non-independent and primary. Have a look at the general notability guideline to see what is required. Moving a draft that doesn't meet that guideline will very likely result in its being nominated for deletion. --bonadea contributions talk 12:16, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I will add to the article soon. WillsEdtior777 (talk) 05:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bonadea, @WillsEdtior777 Bonadea: The article is in article space, even though you asked the OP not to move it there. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 11:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The OP didn't move it; was the one who removed all the content and inserted a redirect to Nier: Automata Ver1.1a that was created by . — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:17, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I redirected the page because I noticed that another user had created a mainspace article for it. While it is bad practice to create a page when a draft already exists for it, there is no policy against it, so I figured merging and redirecting was the best course of action. Link20XX (talk) 14:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I did not notice the draft as I only searched the title of TV series, i.e. Nier: Automata Ver1.1a, which should be the title of the article, not Nier: Automata (TV series). I reckon the best practice here is possibly WP:HISTMERGE, though I don't think there is any copy-and-paste action. Unnamelessness (talk) 11:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Andrew Carnegie page pronunciation specific to US English
The IPAc-en phonetic pronunciation of Carnegie is listed in Scottish first and then also in US English but this is stated as the English pronunciation, however this is incorrect as it is pronounced the same in English as Scottish, with the US English specific pronunciation the one which is spelt out phonetically. I looked at the IPAc-en template but I couldn't see how best to set the diaphonemic to all or a specific variety, but I would not be able to edit for the Andrew Carnegie wiki page anyway as it is semi-proteced. I realise that the article is written in US English with that spelling convention, but I believe that the pronunciation should be the correct one used by the individual first and foremost, especially as the individual is also prominent in UK history - see Carnegie United Kingdom Trust. Shouldn't this be amended to include the variation between US English and British English, be amended to the UK version, or be made clearer that this is specific to US language speakers? Paul C LCB (talk) 11:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If the matter is worth bringing up, Paul C LCB, then the foot of the article's talk page is where you should bring it up. -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

How do people add wikilists?
I want to make a page on This but i cant figure out how people make the lists CosmiiWasTaken (talk) 12:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @CosmiiWasTaken Welcome to the Teahouse. You probably need to read WP:SAL and then H:LIST. I assume you intention is to make some sort of list of Wikipedia articles about ships, so you could use an existing one as a template. For example List of ships of the Polish Navy Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Is there an inactivity userbox?
Honestly, I only edit this site if I want to. Is there any template relating to user activity? WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 07:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this talk page template code? --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 08:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't use retired as it is supposed to only be used for accounts that are intended to never be used again. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * You may simply announce at your user page your are a WikiGnome. CiaPan (talk) 08:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @WannurSyafiqah74: We all do. You can use a banner or any of the other relevant banners you can find at Template:Wikibreak templates. Regards  So  Why  10:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:BLP and describing a person notable for their controversial views
Hello. May I ask for some insight regarding WP:BLP?

I have been involved in a dispute with other editors and I have been repeatedly warned, (in fact twice, by 2 admins) to not describe a far-right official/politician/author as "extremist" for the fact that they (per WP:RS) have expressed controversial statements in public, both in their service as a government official, their career as politician of the far right spectrum, and more recently as an author on history matters, and whose reliability is heavily disputed by the international scholarship, with the 2 admins warning that this constitutes a violation of WP:BLP. I am not here to question the Admins's views that the BLP is indeed violated. In fact, I am worried that 2 warnings cannot be a misunderstanding and that I indeed have violated BLP but the problem is: still I do not understand how exactly I did violate that policy. Therefore, I would appreciate some help in understanding what part of the policy is being violated when reflecting on international third party sources about the far-right politician and author in describing them as "extremist", actually do constitute a violation of WP:BLP.

In simple words: if can someone more familiar about WP:BLP can help me understand exactly me which part of the BLP policy about describing a politician as extremist per third party reliable sources, constitutes a violation of this policy, that will be really appreciated, as understanding it better will definitely help avoiding its violation in the future. In the WP:BLP policy's page, it states: Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing.. Is it a matter of the international academic community not being reliable in its criticism against the politician/author the reason I shouldn't be using these terms for the person? Also, one more question: If using the term "extremist" to describe the person does indeed constitute a violation of WP:BLP, is the same also true for using the term "far-right" and the principle here is that no descriptions may be used ever about living persons, even if this is verified by third-party independent WP:RS? - ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 08:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , what article is this about? Do the cited sources explicitly use the word "extremist"? Maproom (talk) 09:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It is a number of historical/people articles in the WP:BALKANS topic area citing him as a "reliable" source (which is disputed. There is an ongoing RfC on RSN about that person's reliability, here: ). "Extremism" is just the wording I am borrowing from WP:UNRELIABLE policy section dedicated to such sources. WP:UNRELIABLE states: "Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts or with no editorial oversight. Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, that are promotional in nature, or that rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions. and since Xhufi is widely acknowledged as such, I assumed it is safe to use the wording described in this Wikipedia policy regarding such unreliable sources. But evidently, judging from the 2 Admin warnings I received, which are telling me to not describe that scholar as extremist unless RSN has concluded that they are indeed extremist, then I must be wrong in borrowing the wording from WP:UNRELIABLE and I am violating WP:BLP, which is what I am trying to understand here. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 10:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , you've used a lot of words here, but you haven't told us "the far-right politician and author" is, who "that person" is, or who "that scholar" is. Maybe they're all the same person, I've no idea. You'll be more likely to get useful advice if you reveal, concisely, what it is you're arguing about. Maproom (talk) 13:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is already the subject of an ongoing ANI discussion. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * My apologies for not being more helpful. The person in question is Pellumb Xhufi. He has served as a government official, a politician, and an author. To re-word my question for clarity:
 * "How is the use of wording "extremist" from WP:UNRELIABLE policy in identifying/describing the exact nature of the said author's unreliability, (i.e unreliable due to their extremist views) constituting a violation of Wikipedia's WP:BLP guideline?" I do not intend to use the wording "extremist" again for the particular person, but even if this use of wording in the future is avoided nevertheless, it is always helpful to understand a guideline in principle, in this case, the WP:BLP. Understanding a policy in principle, helps a lot in avoiding similar mistakes in the future than just heeling to warnings/advises. It helps an editor not just improve their conduct, but also future interactions which is my goal here. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 14:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Help with company page
I have tried to get a page up for the company SteelEye for several years now but I always get rejected. I have now simplified the page a lot but worry that it is too short. Do you think the below is ok? And if not, what should I do to improve it?

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SteelEye is a UK-headquartered FinTech and RegTech company specialising in regulatory compliance solutions for Financial regulation in the financial services industry. The company works with banks, hedge funds, brokers, and asset managers to help them comply with strict regulatory procedures and requirements in their respective industries. In September 2021, SteelEye completed a Series A funding round of $21M with Ten Coves Capital, taking its total funds raised to $43M. EmmaThorne123 (talk) 12:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Emma. Those two sources are based on press releases (probably the same press release). They are therefore not independent of the company, and do nothing at all all to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Don't worry about the words, or the length: at this stage you should be putting 100% of your effort on this into finding several sources, each of which is all three of reliable, independent, and containing significant coverage of the company. (In my opinion, those two articles would fail the last, even if they did not fail independence). If you are unable to find such sources, then every bit of your effort spent on anything else will have been wasted. ColinFine (talk) 14:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

About Submission: Dominican School of Psychologists
Hi everyone!

I got this article rejected due to the references not having a lot of information on the subject, and some of them were directly connected to the organization. My current issue is that information regarding this organization is not that much unless you tie it together and/or get it from their website, at least that's my experience. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to improve the article or get it published?

I believe that the information regarding this organization should be available, just not sure how to do it. here is the current version of it: Draft:Dominican School of Psychologists

Thanks for any help and/or advice :) Kaitary (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If what you say is the case, unfortunately the school would not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. The main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what independent reliable sources choose on their own to say about the topic, not what it says about itself. 331dot (talk) 14:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This might sound like a weird question, but is it quantifiable?
 * Like how much information in each source is enough? some of the articles and research I have dedicate around 1 paragraph to it (although some of them are repetitions, so I have around 2 different works saying basically the same thing), and also, would adding information about how they relate to other organizations work? since that information would be in news papers.
 * Thank you for helping :) Kaitary (talk) 14:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Probably a single paragraph would be insufficient. What are your three best sources? 331dot (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Kaitary, and welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:Significant coverage for an answer to that question. ColinFine (talk) 14:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, another way of looking at it is: bearing in mind that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that the subject says about themselves, or their associates say about them, is there enough information in the sources provided to write a meaningful article? ColinFine (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Archiving Talk Page
Just wanted some help archiving my talk page. Thanks. Meteorologist200 (talk) 14:47, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , does Help:Archiving (plain and simple) do the trick? If not, you will have to be more precise about what you want. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

New article publishing
Hello, I prepared a new article called Bruno Samper, but it was rejected. Who can help me to update the article that it could be published for wikipedia. JaninaBZ (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, JaninaBZ, and welcome to the Teahouse. Draft:Bruno Samper was declined, not rejected, which means that you are free to work on improving it and resubmit it.
 * Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
 * Please specify at least three of your 36 references which are each all three of 1) Reliably published (which excludes iMDB and probably FWA), 2) independent of Samper (which excludes anything based on an interview or a press release, as well as publications by insitutions or conferences he attended), and 3) containing Significant coverage of him. ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the answer. Now it's clear what improvements should be made on the text. JaninaBZ (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Adding Userboxes to a user page
I am a new Wikipedian, and I am looking to decorate my user page. I want to add some userboxes to my page but I am not sure how. I have read the instructions on Userboxes, but I am still confused. Could someone please provide a step by step tutorial video on how to add a userbox to a userpage Limbobob (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Limbobob! While I can't provide you with a step by step video tutorial I can tell you that all you need to do is find a userbox (so for example, one I made which is User:Blaze Wolf/Userboxes/Opera GX), copy the location and just replace the square brackets with curly brackets <- like that. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 16:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Home page appearing near userpage
I didn't edit Wikipedia for months. Today after creating my userpage, I saw homepage, near userpage. Previously If I clicked my userpage, I could see userpage and talkpage only. But when I click other user's userpage, I don't see homepage near their userpage. Marvel Lords (talk) 12:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * See WP:GTF. New feature. Sungodtemple (talk) 12:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note - User blocked as a sock. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 19:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

How do you see hidden categories?
An article I am editing is in two contradictory categories, but both are hidden, and I would like to remove the one that is incorrect. How do I get to see the mark-up for it? Thanks.

This is the article: Artie Ripp The categories say that its short description does and does not match the short description on the analogous Wikidata page. I have confirmed that it matches. Here is the Wikidata page: | Wikidata about Artie Ripp. (And, as an aside, how do I properly link to the Wikidata page here without its being an external link?)

Thanks. –  Kekki1978  talk 08:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the Short Description. The infobox is automatically creating one that is too long, the Short description template at the top of the article is overriding it so that it appears correctly on Wikipedia.
 * As for linking to Wikidata do the following  to get Artie Ripp - the Q number is the Wikidata item id. You can also just do   (Q23020132) as a quicker way. - X201 (talk) 08:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @X201 Thanks for the helpful response! I appreciate your insight and the info. –  Kekki1978  (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 21:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kekki1978 Those categories are added automatically by templates to track various properties of the page, you cannot add or remove them by hand. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 10:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about Wikidata. The one saying it does not match Wikidata is simply a tracking category and nothing needs to be done to it. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 12:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, all. –  Kekki1978  (talk &#9993; &#124; contribs &#9998;) 21:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I was wondering if part of my history can be deleted on a certain page.
It has to do with edits I tried to make about a Satyr. If the history of what I said can't be removed, then perhaps hide the comments with the made edits instead. I wanted ask about this in order to prevent potential harassment and I seek all the revisions I sought to make with my name on it removed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Satyr&action=history Netero10 (talk) 19:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that what you are asking for is permissible under the WP:CRD policy. Ruslik_ Zero 20:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You can say it can be given there was kind of an edit war there. Im also asking this for privacy reasons ontop of what I already mentioned. Netero10 (talk) 20:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Netero10, see the criteria for hiding edits and the process for making such requests. I don't know if your request will get any traction, though. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Netero10: Requests like this are usually granted if there's personally revealing information, in which case the Oversight team can be contacted, but this looks like a run-of-the-mill content dispute. This is the first time you've made edits to Wikipedia since February, so I suggest letting sleeping dogs lie. If you're concerned that your username is linked to your comments for some reason, you could ask for a courtesy vanishing, though such an avenue assumes that you are leaving Wikipedia forever. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Its less about the username about more about the information. If I were to leave the wikipedia forever thrugh the courtesy vanishing, would it remove the history? Because people look into that stuff for other things. Netero10 (talk) 21:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Netero10, it would reassign those edits to the new user name of your vanished account - vanished accounts get names such as "Vanished user [string of random letters and numbers]". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It would not, but again, if it's not personally identifiable information, there is very little chance that it will be redacted. With how things are going you're going to invoke the Streisand effect. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Question
Where I can request to protect an article that violates arbitration restrictions? 2A10:8001:E494:0:1DC:E089:AF0B:4C27 (talk) 21:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * IP editor, page protection can be requested at WP:RFPP. I'm not sure what you mean by "violates arbitration restrictions". Prolonged or high volume edit warring and vandalism are the usual reasons a page is protected. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I mean that the article is part of arbitration restrictions like with Arab-Israeli Conflict Arbitration, like PIA 2A10:8001:E494:0:1DC:E089:AF0B:4C27 (talk) 21:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think you're asking for the related edit notice to be placed on the article - is that correct? See here for how to do it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Nope, look at the article Amin al-Husseini, it's semi-protected while the notice shows that you need 500 edits and 30 days to edit it 2A10:8001:E494:0:1DC:E089:AF0B:4C27 (talk) 22:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Request it at WP:Requests for page protection/Increase and mention the PIA General Restrictions. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 22:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor, the edit notice and the protection level are separate things - not every article that warrants the notice will get the protection level. It's only for extreme cases, when disruption has taken place and other protection levels have not been sufficient. But you're free to make the request if you feel it's warranted. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Help editing article declined for notability
Hi Teahouse editors! Please help! I would really like to get some advice with an article that just got declined. It is a biography and I am not affiliated with the person I'm writing about but have followed his work over the past years and his books have helped me in my life. In my first contribution to Wikipedia as an editor, I was inspired to write about this person and his work after doing more research over the past few days to gather all the content I would need. Today as I submitted for review, it was declined. I have looked at many other biography of living persons on Wikipedia to learn how to word them and what to say, and don't understand what makes this not qualify as I have also done my best to reference everything and use a neutral tone. Appreciate all your wisdom, super excited to be here on this community, and thanks in advance for all your help and advice as I improve this article to get it ready for resubmission. Here is the link to the draft. Kalokagathiana (talk) 00:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kalokagathiana: The reviewer left a comment on your draft:  In other words, you're better off finding sources that are independent of the subject (indirectly or directly) to establish notability as Wikipedia defines it. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Tenryuu for your response. Which sources in particular do you recommend revising? The reference links are from published books and citations by other journal papers, TED talk and interview links, and sources that show current role as a faculty member. Kalokagathiana (talk) 01:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Kalokagathiana, TED talks and interviews are primary sources. Sources that show current role as a faculty member are not independent. Citations by other journal papers merely prove that the subject has published a paper and is not significant coverage. Published books are likely also not significant coverage. Therefore, none of these sources meet the requirements of WP:GNG, which requires secondary, independent, and significant coverage by reliable sources. Sungodtemple (talk) 02:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have been looking at these biographies (Jesper Hoffmeyer, Claus Emmeche, Kalevi Kull) which are of similar people in similar categories as the person I am writing about, who are experts in their fields and well known in academics and practices but not celebrities to have that much secondary coverage. These have all been successfully published and I would like to learn what I need to change in this article to get published in a similar manner. Thank you for your help. Kalokagathiana (talk) 02:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , all three of those articles are poor. In their current state, they shouldn't be here. None of the people whose attention you've drawn here to the three is likely either to have done anything to/about any of the three articles, or to do anything to/about any of the three in the future. That's because there are only so many people available, these people have only so many hours available, and English-language Wikipedia has a vast number of feeble articles (as well as a significant number that, unlike these three, are obviously mere junk). I for one am happy that you're interested in writing about people who aren't mere celebs, and I know that it's hard to find material about them. Well, you just have to keep trying. Incidentally, if the three articles you point to are indeed about "similar people in similar categories as the person [you are] writing about", presumably you're interested in them, too. I recommend that you choose one of the three and work on improving it: this will give you good practice for improving Draft:Farzad Goli, which can wait. -- Hoary (talk) 06:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , I've slapped a notability-related template on the articles about Emmeche and Kull. You'd be most welcome to improve either article, or both, to the point where the template should be removed. -- Hoary (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Kalogathiana, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. In addition to what others have said, I would advise you to put aside the idea of creating a new article until you have learnt a lot more about how Wikipedia works and what it requires. Would you give a public violin recital after a just couple of lessons on the violin? That is roughly what you are trying to do.
 * I remember when I started editing Wikipedia, I desperately wanted to "make my mark" by creating new articles. Now I know that that is not the only - or necessarily the best - way of making a mark on Wikipedia. If you start by making small inprovements to some of our six million existing articles, I predict that you will have much less hassle, and add much much much more value to Wikipedia than if you work on creating new articles before your are ready. ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I appreciate all the feedback and comments. I was hoping however that with the help and expertise of this community, that there could be tips on improving the article similar to how one of the suggestions here was for me to improve the other articles that I brought up as examples. It's inspiring to see that Wikipedia is protective of not allowing content that is promotional or uses language that is derogatory and I too am in support of that. However, wouldn't blocking neutral content that only lacks the celebrity aspect create an unequal balance of representation? I am in no way pushing to publish this article by myself, and I realize I have much to learn, all I am asking is for someone's help to either guide me through it or make changes to it to have it Wikipedia ready. This is an article about an expert in the field who has publications and TED talks which is not easy to get in this field of work. I have been and will continue to edit other pages and sincerely ask for the support of this community to help me. Kalokagathiana (talk) 14:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Kalokagathiana, nobody is blocking content because it "lacks the celebrity aspect". Rather, this draft won't be promoted to article status because it fails to show that Goli is notable (as defined by English-language Wikipedia). Yes, "notability" perhaps can be achieved merely by being photographed at the right places while wearing the right sunglasses. But although it may suffice, this variety of notability isn't required. His books were published years ago; where are the reviews (in respected journals)? What comments have been made on his work in later papers written by other scholars (in respected journals)? Meanwhile, talk of application of his work at "Energy Medicine University" fails to impress. -- Hoary (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

sourcing
I was looking for some clarification regarding an edit on Timmy Shaw. I do not see that any of the sources have March 30, 1984 as a date of death, but do see that one of the sources has March 29, 1984 as a date Timmy died. March 29, 1984 is the only date in the last sentence of the article and in the infobox. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 23:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Made editing mistakes - what is the correct way to fix them?
Hi. I am new to Wikipedia editing. I realized that I made edits that should have not been marked "minor" and that were made prior to logging. I read about fixing these types of mistakes with "dummy text" but could not figure out how to do this. So, for each of the two pages where I made the mistake, I logged in, went to my history page, found the edit, clicked Undo, clicked Publish, and then re-entered the text and clicked the Major Edit (think that is what it was called) button, and clicked Publish. Whew! Heart was pounding. I hope I did this correctly. Can you advise? Thanks! Letudo (talk) 01:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * To make a dummy edit, simply add or remove a space and leave the comment in the edit summary. You don't have to revert your changes and redo them. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, Sungodtemple. So, just to be clear, I would enter edit mode again, and in the text I originally added to the page, I would add or remove a space at the end of the last line of text?  Then when I clicked Publish I would explain that I meant to add the text when I was logged in and that I meant to click the "Major Edit" checkbox? Letudo (talk) 02:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know an edit feature with a "major edit" box. It's the default and you just omit selecting "minor edit". You did right in but you don't have to write so much. I might have said "dummy edit: my previous edits were accidentally marked as minor". "dummy edit:" helps others to not waste time looking for changes in the diff. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, PrimeHunter! Letudo (talk) 02:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Article reviewer
Please review Draft:Krishand RK? 117.230.150.16 (talk) 03:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Teahouse hosts advise about Wikipedia guidelines, etc., but are not necessarily Reviewers. Per the text in the yellow panel, draft reviews can take place in days, weeks, months. David notMD (talk) 03:44, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Needing to delete an entire entry
Hi there! I need to delete my own entry and I'm not entirely sure how to go about it. HELP PLEASE! This was something that we did for a class, and Dr. Lightbown has contacted our professor and asked that we remove her article. I'd like to make sure that it's done properly without leaving any links back to her name. Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patsy_M._Lightbown&action=edit RebeccaAndre (talk) 16:40, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link Patsy M. Lightbown. The topic appears to be notable and has been edited by assorted users, so it may not be easy to get it deleted. Theroadislong (talk) 16:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The article was created in November 2020. You made substantial referenced additions in Nov and Dec 2020. The article exists, and is unlikely to be deleted. You could initiate an Articles for Deletion (WP:AFD) but in my opinon that would be declined. Subjects of articles have limited options for requestion deletion. As for your additions, you can delete those from the article, but as your references added at the time are valid, your efforts may be reverted by other editors. Your unreferenced content about her early years is already gone. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Rebecca! Wikipedia entries differ from social media profiles in that they are not owned by the subject, but rather by the encyclopedia. In other words, the entry on Lightbown isn't for her, but rather for our readers, and it'll only be deleted if that's what makes sense for our readers. We take the views of article subjects into consideration to a limited extent in some cases, but I have to agree with the above that it's not likely here. Wikipedia has a standard for when academics merit an article, and since Lightbown appears to clearly pass that standard, we seek to have an article on her (it likely would've been created by someone else sooner or later if it hadn't been by you).
 * Given that, it won't be possible to have the article deleted. However, I'm guessing there might be other reasons Lightbown contacted your professor about the article. If there are elements of it that Lightbown wishes to be changed, we'd be interested to know her perspective, although per above, we will only make changes if they comport with our policies, and she shouldn't edit the article directly herself. Best, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your thorough answers. She had actually attempted to edit the article herself, but found that she could not, and was advised that only the creators could delete it (which I am one of them) and then reached out to my professor. There are some things that do need correction, and there are editing issues that Dr. Lightbown would prefer to see. We are not professional writers by any means, and maybe we could have benefited with some more strenuous editing, but yes. It is not meeting specific standards.
 * I am not sure how to go about this at this point. She clearly wants it removed, some information is incorrect, and the information that IS provided is not provided in a way that she feels comfortable with. Any advice from here would be great! RebeccaAndre (talk) 17:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @RebeccaAndre, very few Wikipedians are professional writers, so no worries there — the beauty of the project is that collectively we're able to make improvements we could not have on our own. Lightbown is welcome to come to the Teahouse here and ask for changes. She can also go to the talk page of the article about her and make an edit request there. If she does that, she should be sure to identify herself and to add Request edit above her comments to make sure another editor will review them (it might take a bit). I hope that's helpful, and feel free to ask any other questions that come up! Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @RebeccaAndre If you feel more comfortable, deletion is a possibility, under this section here. You can nominate for deletion with the reason being the subject is relatively unknown and is requesting deletion. If there is no consensus to keep after the discussion, it can be closed and the article can be deleted. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:36, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for all of the options! RebeccaAndre (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Lightbown can create an account and propose changes on the Talk page, or not bother and her proposed changes will show up as coming from an IP number. Or make her case for deletion or editing here. Be aware that either way, Wikipedia will not know if the proposal is from her, so references to support the proposed changes are required. David notMD (talk) 22:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "was advised that only the creators could delete it" - this is a serious misapprehension. Regardless of who creates a page, only admins have page-deletion privileges. DS (talk) 05:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think you'll find -- if you do a quick, unscientific survey, e.g. of applied linguists at other universities -- that Lightbown is pretty well known. Being well known (as shown by quick, unscientific surveys, let alone as asserted by nobodies such as myself) is not a reason to keep an article, but it is a reason for linguistics-conversant Wikipedia editors to think "Hmm, yes, surely she should have an article", and for them to look for materials that, if found, would be good reason to keep the article. So I doubt that an effort to have the article deleted would succeed. If I'm right, then it would be better to work on improving the article. -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I made a template and I want to share it
I recently made a template here Template:Hanyu and I want to share it and get it used on pages. How do I get other editors to know about it and use it? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 03:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Immanuelle, you could share news of it at relevant wikiproject pages, but beyond that I don't think there's any particular channel. Make sure it's included in relevant navboxes and categories, and as a see also on any closely related templates. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Sports people's personal lives
Is there a reason why most sports people, especially less-famous sports people, only have sports related information in their articles?

They rarely have information about things like:
 * Where they were raised
 * Where they were educated
 * Who their families are
 * What they're doing now after sport

Etc, like it does on articles about other famous non-sports people.

Famous sports people nearly always seem to have famous relatives in sport or elsewhere, as I've found out countless times over the years, yet they're rarely mentioned in their Wikipedia articles.

Recently I've been updating IMDB pages (with birth details, bios, external links, missing productions etc) for a screenwriter/producer and former actress, who is married to a playwright/screenwriter, who have a former actress/screenwriter and musician daughter (I'm not sure what she's doing now), who has 2 former Premier League footballers as half-uncles who are the half-brothers of her mum. The least famous of them (the daughter) has a Wikipedia article, with no references other than her own personal website (which went dead in 2016, just like her parents' websites, and is hard to find out what she's been doing since 2011), and 2 IMDB links to 2 films released before she were born for someone else with the same name.

And now I've just updated a short film written by and starring a small time actor whose nephew played a few games in the Premier League, but mainly played in the National League (division) and National League North.

The 3 footballers all have Wikipedia articles obviously, but as usual none of them mention their screenwriter/producer/playwright/actor relatives, not even the former child actress with a Wikipedia article (which needs references adding). Danstarr69 (talk) 03:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Danstarr69: articles in wikipedia are based on reliable sources, and those sources are more likely to write about their sport activities and not their screenwriter/producer/playwright/actor relatives. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I imagine that most articles written about modestly famous athletes were written by editors with a primary interest in that sport (cricket, football, etc.), and thus did not bother with information typical of biographies. (Conversely, we rarely see height and weight info for non-athletes.) As for mention of article-worthy parents, siblings, children or more distant relatives in a Personal life section, perhaps valid if those people excelled in the same general area (both athletes, both musicians), but I personally see little benefit for a mention that the relative of an athlete was an author, politician or actor. David notMD (talk) 08:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * David notMD I do. Having famous relatives named in an article about a famous sportsperson, can help you find you find out even more interesting information about them.
 * Like that small time actor I mentioned earlier. I randomly found out he was the uncle of a former professional footballer, and in the next article I read about him I found out that his daughter is also an small time actor, with her biggest film/TV role so far being a character that appears in Coronation Street a couple of times a year (also she has an uncredited role in one of the biggest grossing films of all time). She'll no doubt get bigger film/TV roles in future going off her stage roles so far.
 * If or when his daughter becomes a mainstream film/TV actress, it'll be interesting to know that her dad is also an actor, and her cousin was a footballer. Danstarr69 (talk) 09:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I think most people would agree that mentioning notable relative A on the page of person B is OK if (1) both A and B are notable (don’t assume someone is notable if they have an unsourced three-line stub, but don’t assume someone is not just because the article does not exist yet), and (2) the link between those persons is adequately sourced.
 * Now, let me preface further advice with the warning that I am very much anti-personal-info in articles, much more so than the average editor, and that advice does not reflect current interpretation of policy. I would like the guideline at WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE to be "do not write anything about non-notable people"; that is a possible interpretation of the text of that guideline but clearly not the one that is applied.
 * I advise not to put in Wikipedia information about non-notable persons, even if adequately sourced, by piggybacking on the article of another person. If you find a press clipping from a local newspaper in 1987 where notable person B talks about how his brother A is an up-and-coming actor, congratulations, you are a master source-sleuth. If you reproduce that information on one of the most well-read sites on the internet without caring that A might have become a janitor after failing in his acting career, you’re kind of a jerk. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * First, Tsk, tsk on name-calling. When does this get non-useful to an article about a person? A notable grandparent? great-grandparent? First cousin? See Barrymore family for extreme example, including spouses who were also in the acting biz. David notMD (talk) 09:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe "jerk" is a strong word, but I maintain the general sentiment that an editor who considers only inside-Wikipedia guidelines while disregarding outside-Wikipedia repercussions is not a pleasant person.
 * I see your point, but I would rather have the distinction based on available sources rather than as a measure of genealogical proximity. Sources are a (somewhat) objective standard, family proximity is highly dependent on both personal and cultural context. How do you fit in godparents for instance? In my cultural sphere they are chosen as a token of friendship from the parents and have rather light and informal obligations towards the godchild (along the lines of "take them to the movies once a year"); in other places, being a godparent is a commitment to adopting the child should something happen to the parents.
 * Maybe you can send Barrymore family to AfD, but if someone picks up a source discussing the family (as a family rather than individual members) I am pretty sure it will stay. (I am not a fan either, but that’s how things are.) Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Tigraan A master source-sleuth is exactly what I am.
 * I can find things which most people have forgotten about, or don't realise exist, through my various sources...
 * Mainly local newspaper archives, national film/TV archives, and The Wayback Machine/Archive Today to look at now dead websites/articles.
 * I've added and updated 1000s of things on IMDB which some people clearly want to forget about, but the difference between IMDB and Wikipedia, is that those things they want to forget about will never be removed from IMDB.
 * What type of things am I talking about? Mainly things like Short Films they made or starred in, early in their career, which they've since deleted or made private on their websites, social media profiles, CV's etc, as they're now embarrassed by those films which other people who worked on those films might be proud of.
 * That's why I don't announce what I'm doing to the people involved, even after I've updated them, as I always end up finding more related productions which need adding or updating.
 * In the last few days I've updated the cast and crew of a mainstream feature film where at least 75% of the cast and crew were missing (along with all the companies). I seriously doubt any of those people were embarrassed about working on that film, but they were missing nonetheless. I can't even remember how I got onto updating that film, other than it starred an actress/comedian who used a stage name, which was slightly different to her real name for the last few years of her life, yet was missing from her profile, along with some of her other film/TV credits which I've since added. Danstarr69 (talk) 10:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, if the article about an actor/director exists, I have zero qualms about adding parts of their filmography, even if those are embarrassing to them. My point was about information pertaining to non-notable relatives.
 * One might also argue that putting in stuff about notable persons but unrelated to their main activity is iffy. That is probably best handled on a case-by-case basis. On the one hand, we certainly should not have a rule that being notable for X is a protection against items about Y. On the other hand, in the era of social media, "give me six tweets from the most honest man and I will find something embarrassing".
 * For instance, let’s assume an unlikely hypothetical where Nadia Murad had written bad Harry Potter fanfiction and tweeted a link to it in 2008 (when she was 15). I am pretty sure a mention about it in her article would be policy-compliant (WP:SPS), but personally, I would not put it in unless covered in depth by the mainstream press. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, with few exceptions, Wikipedia is not intended to be genealogy. David notMD (talk) 14:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And it's not intended to be Us Weekly, either. This is a big problem in celebrity articles: there is a subset of people who are apparently fixated on celebrities' children's names and dates of birth, clearly not for legitimate scholarly reasons but simply to coo obsessively over same. I view this as encyclopedically inappropriate, particularly given that there is no genuine legitimate use for dissemination of this information and many horrible uses. -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  00:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Julietdeltalima there's a subset of people with minds like yours.
 * The sons and daughters I've been talking about are in their 30s at least, yet even if they weren't it's irrelevant.
 * The more I find out about them, the more likely I will find more local productions.
 * I connect the broken chains to find more, just like I've been doing with BBC documentary makers today, and a couple of weeks ago, as most BBC documentary makers clearly don't keep an eye on their IMDB profiles, so have credits spread over multiple profiles, rather than just one. I must have merged at least 50 today already, just from updating a few credits (as that's all I can find, as the episodes haven't been repeated since 2016) for each episode of a 9 episode TV series, yet I'll no doubt find many more when I update the other 3 or 4 documentary series' on my to-do-list, with many many more credits.
 * Half a mile South of me is where 2 International Rugby League playing brothers grew up. I think I first found out about the slightly less famous younger brother (who's the same age as me) when we were around 20yo in a nightclub, yet he was already 6ft 7ins, and weighed over 20 stone, so people pointed out who he was.
 * I went to school with a guy whose brother is also a Rugby League International. I spotted that rugby player in a documentary about a different subject a few years ago, yet they didn't focus on or even mention him (most likely because they didn't know who he was), they focused on his mum or grandma if I remember correctly.
 * A mile South of me is where 2 film and TV acting siblings grew up. The films they appear in are usually average, however some of the TV shows that the male sibling appears in especially are massive.
 * A mile South of me is where a major TV actor went to school (not that anyone realises). He grew up slightly further away, roughly 2 miles South-West on the border with the town next door. His uncle (who was born elsewhere) is also a major TV star. And a couple of his other uncles made Royal seal of approval products, and set up a well-established Rugby Union team 40 years ago, who are now quite high in the semi-pro leagues (again not that anyone realises, as they're not mentioned in the Wikipedia article for that team).
 * My middle eldest sister went to school with a major TV actress. She's played the lead or one of the leads in countless shows. She's also a musician and singer, who has charted a few times. Before she was famous she was a cantor at my local church, along with her mum who was also a cantor.
 * Two local teenage/early 20s actor siblings seemed to have disappeared off the acting map. I'm not sure what the brother is doing, however the sister I randomly found out earlier this year, quit acting to become a headteacher at a primary school just 2 miles North-East of me. I wasn't even looking for her either. I was looking for someone else, and stumbled across a photo of her with a new surname on Google.
 * Those are just some of the famous relatives near me that I can think of, but there will no doubt be many more, especially in Rugby League as I don't pay attention to it anymore, but I know there have been a lot born and raised within a mile or two.
 * Me connecting the dots between them lot, helps me find out more interesting information, most of which I knew already, apart from the major TV actor going to a local school (which I found out around 7 years ago), and his uncles being knighted, influential, multi-millionaire, local businessmen (around a year or two ago). Danstarr69 (talk) 09:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Information About Movie Entries
When an entry concerning a movie gives the date the movie was first available on home media, does that include network television? HKRA97 (talk) 11:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Not according to Wikipedia's definition of Home media. Shantavira|feed me 11:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Help on Draft:Welcome Homes
I earlier asked for help today at AfC Help Desk; this is the request I made:

''When  Onel 5969  reviewed Welcome Homes and moved it to Draft:Welcome Homes, citing WP:DRAFTIFY in the edit summary, with WP:UPE and WP:COI on my talk page, a disclosure was already done and declared in edit summary and talk page of the article, with WP:PAID also complied with on my user page, and since I could not find any other reasons for the move to draft, I simply submitted it for review. Greenman declined my submission also citing WP:COI, but with WP:ADV in the edit summary and WP:ARTSPAM on my talk page, so I have tried to address these concerns and resubmitted for review about a month ago. Please, I am here to seek help on what else needs to be done.''

Upon this request, the draft was declined by Theroadislong also citing WP:ADV and stating "you have not correctly disclosed your paid editing status as required". The draft was also tagged with, but when I pointed out the error, it was changed to  , with a comment "Not sure how being one of 28 "Hottest PropTech Startups" confers any notability?".

Please I need suggestions, with examples from the contents of the draft, on how to make the draft not to read like an advert. Thank you. Rotidiap (talk) 22:34, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your candour (on your user page) about paid editing. That said.... The lead tells us that this company "offers online cutomization tool that allows users to cutomize and buy home online". I'm using Firefox right now, and this automatically puts wiggly red lines under two words in that, because it doesn't have those words in its dictionary, because they're misspelt. If your browser doesn't do this, try Firefox. (Because, really, you, who are charging money for your work, are asking us to help you, for free, when you're not even bothering to attend to automated spell-checking? Seriously?) So: I guess you meant to write "offers an online customization tool that allows users to customize and buy homes online". But what does it mean, to offer an online customization tool? (I think that your fellow-editors are likely to think "Bah! Marketing BS!" and stop reading right there.) Guess: "has a website"? Lots of websites charge, but we don't say that the NYT (as one example) offers an online news tool, we say that it has a website. And continuing beyond the lead, it's not necessary to say for example "It is reported that [blah blah]"; instead, just present the [blah blah] and append the source to it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, but another administrator, at the AfC Help Desk has written off my references, so if you can also take a closer look at the references, it would help me know how to proceed. Thank you. Rotidiap (talk) 10:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 331dot has pointed out the inadequacy of the references; it's your job to find better references (if these exist). But let's close this discussion, Rotidiap, because the matter is, as you point out, already being discussed at the AfC help desk. -- Hoary (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you again,, I will look for better references. Rotidiap (talk) 13:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I would like to become an administrator can I become one right here and now please.
I want to edit Prettycurefan75 (talk) 22:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support has clue, not jerk, no big deal.  Tewdar   22:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Really no. Editors apply to be Admins after years and thousands of edits. You can (and have been) editing without being an Admin. David notMD (talk) 22:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Administrators are editors on here who have access to a few extra tools where it would be irresponsible for everyone to have them, including the delete/undelete and block/unblock buttons, which must be handled with great responsibility. Please see Guide to requests for adminship and related pages, without maybe 18 months of active editing and a few thousand edits the chances to pass RfA are close to nonexistant. What the folks over at RfA also expect is a great udnerstanding of the project and no recentish (the timeframe generally depends on who turns up) disruptive editing. Looking through your edit history, there is for eample this, which you would almost certainly be asked to explain at RfA. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thats dumb 2603:9001:2706:9100:405:C94E:E9F4:1543 (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Username violation
I hate feeling like a "rat" or "snitch" doing this... but there is an editor that I just came across on the recent changes page whose username is "Sukmebals"... that seems like it must be a violation of sorts... but I do not know the correct protocol for what to do there. :)

User talk:Sukmebals — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 01:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Report it at WP:Usernames for administrator attention, assuming a bot hasn't noticed it and done so already. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 01:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , I have blocked this editor for an offensive username. Cullen328 (talk) 03:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. I hope I wasn't too harsh. Might have given them an opportunity to change it? Or to create a new account? :) — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 03:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , indefinite blocks are not necessarily permanent. If the editor files an unblock request agreeing to change their username and makes a convincing case that they intend to improve the encyclopedia, then they can be unblocked. Cullen328 (talk) 04:02, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Where can they do that though? Just their talk page? Anyway, seemed harsh to me, but if that is the SOP then I suppose that is what it is. TY. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 04:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, on their user talk page, following the instructions in the block notice. RudolfRed (talk) 04:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool. TY. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 04:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

, the purpose of blocks like this is to prevent disruption of the encyclopedia. Two plus decades of experience shows that the vast majority of people who register usernames like this are here to troll and vandalize and harass people. The small minority of those who really want to improve the encyclopedia are free to file an unblock request on their user talk page. They cannot edit any other page, after all. Here are two statistics for you. I have blocked 6863 accounts in my five years as an administrator, and only 30 of them have been unblocked. Cullen328 (talk) 04:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What is that funky thing you did just there? That thing? —  Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 04:48, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And by the way, what made those 30 "deserving".. out of curiosity? — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 04:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , see Template:Outdent. As for those that got unblocked, those were decisions by other administrators, although I am sometimes asked to comment on unblock appeals. With the exception of reversing obvious errors, administrators do not normally unblock accounts that they have blocked. In general, unblocked accounts filed appeals that made "a convincing case that they intend to improve the encyclopedia", as I wrote above. Cullen328 (talk) 05:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood. TY. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 14:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Username change
This may not be the correct place to ask about this, but I have been waiting to hear back on a username change over here for some time now. Anyway that I can poke or prod the people responsible for granting such a change in order to just get an update on the status of that request? If it can't be done, fine, or if it can, great! I just would love to start going by Moops and only Moops already. :) — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 15:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, Moops. Since that is a request totally outside English Wikipedia, I don't think anybody at English Wikipedia can help you. I think it's just a matter of patience. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That request now (as of today) is marked "On hold until 28 October". That means the German account currently holding the Moops user name has been informed of your request and has one month to respond. If no objection is forthcoming, the rename will go into effect, I suppose, on October 28 or 29. I'm sorry that in my answer to your previous Teahouse question on the matter I sent you to Changing username/Usurpations instead of to the meta page, thus causing some delay. Just my ignorance, I assure you. Deor (talk) 13:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh no worries. Delay is fine... I just hope that it happens. I much prefer a five letter name over my much, much longer name as it stands today. TY. — Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 14:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

i am trying to make an article about veri peri but i am having issues
i am trying to make an article about veri peri the colour but i have 2 problems 1. i cant make an correct infobox with a colour box and 2.i am kind of having trouble finding ompletely reputable sources (other than pantone) and integrating them Abdullah raji (talk) 05:28, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * hi @Abdullah raji and welcome to the teahouse! funny, I just added the very peri theme into my microsoft edge a few whiles ago! it's a good color anyway, perhaps check out the news articles by clicking in Find sources above to get sources? I'm just gonna note however, that as far as I know, apart from the more common colors and ones more known as minerals (Cerulean, Turquoise, Emerald, and Rose Quartz), no CotY has gotten a separate article yet, but that doesn't mean it's impossible, it'll just be hard. for the infobox, the code would be the following:


 * ...which would produce the infobox to the right. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 05:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * thenk you veri much *veri peri joke inserted Abdullah raji (talk) 05:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ive done those steps but how do i add the color on the top Abdullah raji (talk) 06:24, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Abdullah raji: your template had the hash in the web code, which didn't allow the color to be added, which I've fixed. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 00:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks Abdullah raji (talk) 07:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Please be mindful of the spelling and capitalisation. It's "Very Peri", not "veri peri".  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  21:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * what do you mean by that. VERI PERI is the actual nickname, i assume it means very periwinkle. but anyways it is VERI PERI NOT VERY PERI or you misspelled it in that case, sorry. Abdullah raji (talk) 12:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You're wrong. Pantone itself clearly spells and capitalises it "Very Peri." This is exactly what I mean by the need for attention to detail. -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  16:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * i have bigger prioroties bye Abdullah raji (talk) 16:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Lead Referencing
Is it necessary to cite in the lead paragraph since it is all cited again in the main article? I think the way I referenced the lead in my draft looks a bit messy. Draft:Ned Bittinger  Spiggotr6 (talk) 16:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Spiggotr6, welcome to the Teahouse. It's very often not necessary - see this section. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . In addition, direct quotations always require a citation. See Quotations for more information.

Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

What is wrong with this citation?
In the article on the architect George Washington Browne, I have added a section to list Browne's publications. When I preview my edits, I see this error message: "Script warning: One or more cite journal templates have errors; messages may be hidden (help)" I have narrowed this down to the first item in the Publications section (the one from the Scottish Art Review), but I can't for the life of me see what is wrong with it. I know that the error message won't be visible to people reading the article, but it bothers me that the error is present.

As a separate point, is it appropriate to include the author's name in this type of list, given that the author is the subject of the article? Thanks in advance for your help. Mike Marchmont (talk) 17:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I have never heard of this problem before, so this is just a hunch. I noticed that you have a Template:hyphen embedded in your cite journal template. En dashes should be used instead of hyphens to indicate a range, as in showing a range of page numbers. Maybe that generated the error message. As for including the author, I think that it is fine. Cullen328 (talk) 17:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC) Cullen328 (talk) 17:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mike Marchmont You have |volume=Volume 1 for the cite in the section "Publications". You just need |volume=1. It can help spot these CS1 errors if you switch on "hidden" categories in your preferences. (See WP:HIDDENCAT). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * and, thanks for your prompt replies. It turns ot that Mike was right: it was my mis-use of the Volume parameter that caused the problem. But I'll also keep in mind what Cullen said abot the hyphen template. I've always used that in the past in page ranges - rightly or wrongly - but can switch to en dashes in the future. Also good to hear about "hidden" categories. I'll definitely look into that.Mike Marchmont (talk) 19:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Sheelagh Whittaker
Hello I am working on the Sheelagh Whittaker wiki and it seems as though there a few formatting errors I have created around the bio. Please advise. 174.92.89.208 (talk) 17:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you ? Please remember to login.
 * I don't see any obvious formatting errors in Sheelagh Whittaker. Could you be more specific? ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (m. 1990; died 2020) needs to the next line. Nimble edditor19 (talk) 18:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (m. 1990; died 2020) needs to be on the next line (m. 1990; died 2020)* Nimble edditor19 (talk) 18:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Done David notMD (talk) 20:48, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Flagrant Citation Error - Climate Change (semi-protected)
Regarding the article title "Climate Change" and its definition, I was able to tag the article for a citation error, however the tag was immediately removed. I was able to begin a discussion, but the conversation quickly became controlled by few editors in an antagonistic fashion, with problematic misinterpretations and misrepresentations. I did visit past history and a comfortable number of editors had voted for the correct representation. The controlling editors are claiming the NASA sources assert entirely the opposite of what they do state, plain as day. This is clearly a bias, right at the beginning of the article, beginning with the title. It is even possible the bias could be politically motivated. I created an example draft which I recognize is not clearly cited, but I wanted to present an example of the format that would meet Five pillars (primarily, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia). The draft can be seen here: Draft:Climate Change (scientific). (Due to comments I received this approach is "scientific"; the term "definitions" would be fine also, or just "Climate Change" with Global Warming to be a major part of the article.) The NASA sources and references in dispute are here:  [NASA Global Warming vs Climate Change]https://climate.nasa.gov/global-warming-vs-climate-change/     and here (currently reference 20): [NASA Climate by any Other Name]https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html  Clearly these sources state that while the terms (Climate Change / Global Warming) are commonly used interchangeably, they do not mean the same thins; the terms have distinct meanings. Global Warming is a subset of Climate Change. It may make sense to use the term Climate Change when speaking about Global Warming, such as when an exterminator talks about rodents to mean rats, but this terminology does not suffice for encyclopedic purposes since it leaves out other types of climate change - it fails to classify beavers and marmots within the class of rodents. Other definitions become muddled by the terminology split that conveys Climate Change to mean only and entirely Global Warming (versus Climate Variability); discussion of the types of change being natural or anthropogenic, for instance, do not flow into place in the chosen splits. The NASA citation is not adequate to arrive at the chosen split since it does not support this assignment of terms, but rather states the very opposite than has been (mis)interpreted. I am open to changes to the draft example I presented, as long as an encyclopedic approach is favored that makes proper sense of the referenced source documents. I did not enter the Climate Change discussion purposely, I had only sought to link to Climate Change and found an article that did not meet my needs for accuracy. FinancialCents (talk) 04:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , I have warned you to refrain from disruptive editing, and here you are, ignoring the warning. The Teahouse is for getting advice on editing Wikipedia, not for solving content disputes. Select an established form of Dispute resolution, and pursue it without an "I am right and all those other people who disagree are wrong" attitude. That attitude is incompatible with a collaborative project built on consensus. Cullen328 (talk) 05:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , you have been given some advice by experienced editors, both at Talk:Climate change and on your own talk page. I do not want to rehash this advice once again, so instead I will talk in terms of realpolitik.
 * On Wikipedia, you will need to convince others if you want any controversial change made. (I hope you realized that by now.) Even if your proposed changes are 100% right by some objective metric, if others contest those changes because of some bizarre logic, you still need to convince them. That means you need first to understand their (faulty) logic and either find an argument that fits into that system or convince them to abandon the system altogether. By contrast, reposting the same argument over and over again does not help. If people were not convinced the first time around, they will not be convinced the second time, or the tenth time.
 * So, here’s my practical advice. Try to write a one-sentence summary of why people want the article to be named "climate change" rather than "global warming". ("Because they are idiots" is not enough; try to find out the internal logic of the naming decision.) You will probably have to read a lot (Talk:Climate_change/Archive_83, for starters). You do not need to post that one-sentence summary anywhere on Wikipedia, but if you do it honestly, I am certain the quality of your arguments will improve. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Tigraan there are two sources utilized by the "experienced editors" from IPCC and NASA, and I have used their very sources which contradict their conclusions. You can read the referenced articles and  glossary for yourself.  I made updates to the draft and I attempted to contact the editors who have an understanding of the content of the referenced articles.  At this point I am not even requesting a switch to a different source or different article.  It's that easy. FinancialCents (talk) 03:01, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Photo
To use a photo in my article, must it be from wikimedia commons?? Or does it just have to be copyright free. If so could I take the picture myself? Does it have to get aproved? Please help. Msaskiw (talk) 02:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Any image you want to use must be hosted on a Wikimedia Foundation website. Commons is the best known with 50 million files, but many image files are hosted here on English Wikipedia, for various reasons. There is no requirement that a photo be copyright free. Many millions of photos are copyrighted but the copyright holder has freely agreed to a free license. A free license does not wipe out a copyright. It just modifies it. If you take a photo of something that is not itself copyrighted, then you can upload it. That would include landscape, plants and animals, everyday objects, famous people at public appearances,  and so on. You cannot upload photos of copyrighted items except in very narrow circumstances. Photo uploads done correctly need no approval for even moderately experienced editors, but they can be reviewed at any time, and if the image is out of compliance, it may be deleted. Cullen328 (talk) 03:44, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Move and merge discussions
Hi! I'm not sure if this is the most specific or fitting forum, but I was wondering if merge discussions have an automated and centralized discussion like moves do.

I know Template:Requested move exists, but I don't remember if there is an equivalent for merges. Likewise, I know that current move discussions are listed in WP:RM and that there is Proposed article mergers, but from what I gather discussions that use the requested move template are listed automatically in WP:RM, while I'm not aware of a similar case with mergers. NoonIcarus (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @NoonIcarus: from proposed article mergers:
 * is this what you were looking for? lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It is a rather unsatisfactory corner of the universe. I made a suggestion for a merge, following the instructions above, at Talk:Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart. You'd have thought that a merge on a relatively high-profile article like Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart would attract attention, but I got only two responses, one saying that there was no point in requesting a merge because merge requests just sit there unprocessed for "years upon years" and the other opposing the merge on the grounds that the other article (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and the Catholic Church) was so bad that no information from it could improve the main article; and yet also asserting that the other article wouldn't get deleted at AfD so it might as well still exist (to be fair, I think both halves of this assessment are correct). Most processes in Wikipedia have a definite end-point at which someone does something. Merging doesn't. If you propose deletion as a solution to a problem, the result might be merge, delete, keep, draftify or any number of genuine actions, but there will be a decision of some sort from AfD. If you propose a merger as above, there seems to be no reason why anything should ever happen. (pinging who may have more positive experiences!) Elemimele (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the feedback! I think in other words my question is specifically if there is a way that merge discussions are listed automatically for the community, just like AfDs are, since from what I gather they currently have to be listed manually. While the mentioned templates notifies editors and readers in the article, I understand this would be limited to the specific page. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @NoonIcarus: no, i don't think so.
 * @Elemimele: i have not used the proposed merger system ever, so... 🤷 lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood, many thanks! --NoonIcarus (talk) 09:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood, many thanks! --NoonIcarus (talk) 09:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Need help editing List of Most Expensive Cars Sold at Auction page!
Hi, everyone! I recently edited the List of Most Expensive Cars Sold at Auction page, by adding the third line about the 1963 Ferrari 250 GTO which was sold at a private auction in 2018 for a price of $70 million. But the car needs to be added to the Absolute Record table, and the interactive graph needs to be updated as well with the proper numbers for the total number of cars that each brand has listed on the page. SuperHyper74 (talk) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . The best place for you to ask about this is probably at Talk:List of most expensive cars sold at auction. There's nothing wrong asking about it here at the Teahouse per se and perhaps someone will be able to sort things out, but article talk pages are typically where you're going to find Wikipedias familiar with the specifics of an article (particulary when it comes to things like "interactive graphs") and you might get a much faster response. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice!! SuperHyper74 (talk) 10:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Can I get banned for not creating an account here?
User:Jeff G. wants to block me for not creating an account. Is this allowed? 2001:8003:B1B8:BF00:9541:78E9:CB4:9EE4 (talk) 10:23, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse! In this case, the user is referring to this ANI report, and Tamzin has asked Jeff G. to give diffs on the allegations. To answer the user's concern: no, you can't be banned for not creating an account. There is a difference between blocks and bans on Wikipedia, so please take note of that. Jolly1253 (talk) 10:44, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Help- Draft:The Blockchain-based Service Network (BSN)
I need assistance with the page "Draft:The Blockchain-based Service Network (BSN)"I have made edits suggested by the reviewer. They also mentioned that the sources used for references were not reliable(which I have taken care of), so I have reviewed others and have removed those that were not reliable. FranklinA47 (talk) 23:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Declined 28 August and resubmitted 28 August, after edits. It is in the pile of drafts awaiting a reviewer. The system is not a queue. Could be as long as several months. David notMD (talk) 02:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please be aware that many articles related to Blockchain and Cryptocurrency have been subjected to disruption by promoters and scammers for years. Accordingly, all related articles in that broad topic area are subject to Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This gives adminstrators the power to swiftly impose sanctions such as blocks or topic bans on any editor working in that topic area who engages in disruptive editing. So, please be very cautious. Cullen328 (talk) 04:01, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This standard warning means that while you have not yet done anything specifically bad, the shithammer is hovering. David notMD (talk) 11:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Question
how to block a wikipedia user from editing? Slippy Sausage (talk) 12:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have no edits to the main encyclopedia, so I am wondering what has prompted this question. Only administrators may block users- and obtaining the adminstrator tools is not easy, and requires a history of productive contributions and an understanding of Wikipedia guidelines. Any user may report inappropriate actions at the proper locations(such as vandalism, which is reported to WP:AIV) 331dot (talk) 12:44, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I wanna be an administrator, how to gain access to that right? Slippy Sausage (talk) 12:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Gaining the administrator toolset is not easy and takes a long time, usually years. You must have an extensive edit history showing a substantial understanding of Wikipedia policies, and show a need for having the toolset. If that happens, then a community discussion takes place for approval. Having the administrator tools gives you no more authority or status than any other editor.  Frankly, you have zero chance of gaining the administrator tools anytime soon, so your best bet is to just concentrate on being a good editor. How do you want to participate in editing this encyclopedia? 331dot (talk) 12:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

my primary goal is to block vandals and create bots. Slippy Sausage (talk) 13:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Slippy Sausage, you can do anti-vandalism work without the ability to block vandals; there are many tools available (see WP:CVU to get started). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd rather not take advice from an IP editor. Slippy Sausage (talk) 13:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) The above user is absolutely correct. You can do probably 95% of tasks here without having the administrator tools. Many people work against vandalism without being administrators.  If you build up an extensive, years long history of effective anti-vandalism work, the community may later see it fit to grant you the admin tools, but as I said, there is zero chance of that happening anytime soon.
 * You would be wise to listen to that user. Many users without accounts have participated here for years, and are extremely knowledgable. Do not dismiss them. 331dot (talk) 13:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen in many discussions with administrators as participants, as well as some talks about granting admin privileges, I would say you're not likely to ever become a Wikipedia administrator with this attitude. --CiaPan (talk) 14:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't think you're an an administrator here so you don't know much about adminship and shouldn't be out here saying that I can't be an admin. You've been here for almost 20 years and yet you haven't done enough to be an administrator and it doesn't look like you're going to be one ever. So you should worry about yourself rather than biting other editors. Slippy Sausage (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You continue to show an argumentative attitude and a lack of understanding for what it takes to become an Administrator. Basically, a person has to apply. You started this account today, and so far have made zero article edits, so I am a bit curious about how you can to know about Administratorship, Teahouse, IP editors, anti-vandalism and creating bots, as new-to-Wikipedia editors rarely start out by knowing what goes on 'backstage.' David notMD (talk) 16:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Suspicion that IP 2603:9001:2706:9100:405:C94E:E9F4:1543 and possibly User:Prettycurefan75 (query on how to be an Administrator, posted at Teahouse two days ago, are the same person). David notMD (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I read some of the wikipedia policies and guidelines before creating an account and have made some edits from my IP in the past so it's not surprising that I've a better understanding of wikipedia than even many long term editors. Slippy Sausage (talk) 16:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

utter rubbish this is my only wikipedia account stop accusing me of using multiple accounts without any evidence. Slippy Sausage (talk) 17:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * What concerns me, with your ZERO constructive contribution here you are among those least qualified to judge if I did enough or why I am not an admin here. What concerns you, I really wish you good luck. Alas, I don't expect it soon. However, if you stop teaching and start learning, if you show as a reliable contributor, not a slippy big mouth, I will see you at your RfA. But for now ...EOT. --CiaPan (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is clearly not Slippy Sausage's first rodeo. Seems they are back to settle some scores from their earlier incarnations.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Even though I initially voiced the suspicion, the denial of multiple accounts was clear. Consider WP:STICK amd WP:BEAR, and let this discussion die. David notMD (talk) 03:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

BLOCKED AS SOCK David notMD (talk) 10:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Bots
How can I create bots or automated programs on wikipedia? Slippy Sausage (talk) 17:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Slippy Sausage, bots need to be approved before use - see Bots/Requests for approval. The instructions at the top have links to other useful pages about creating and operating bots. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You can find additional information at Bot Approvals Group. Cullen328 (talk) 17:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

But what can I find the steps to create a bot? Slippy Sausage (talk) 04:41, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This account has been blocked as a sock. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  06:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Unsurprising, . Cullen328 (talk) 06:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

If my edits are on my watch list, are they waiting to be reviewed and accepted?
Hi - First, I am new at this! Learning as much as I can so I improve my wikipedia editing skills. My question is: I have made several article edits, some of which consist of adding content to an article. These now appear on my Watch List (permanent). At this point, do I need to do another step or are these edits waiting to be reviewed prior to being accepted? If and when they are accepted, will they disappear from my Watch List? How does an editor know when the edits have been accepted? Thanks in advance! Letudo (talk) 21:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Barring CRASHlock those edits are live. Your watchlist merely shows you the most recent edit - whether it was done by you or by someone else - to those pages. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 21:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! Letudo (talk) 21:44, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Letudo You might like to read the guidance at WP:W which covers all the details about watchlists and how you can maintain your own set. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Are determiners capitalized in article titles?
MOS:TITLECAPS doesn't seem to mention any rules regarding determiners. I'm trying to move an article with a Japanese title to its English title, and the English title contains the determiner "its". Should it be capitalized or not? Harushiga (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "Determiners" is not a term frequently used in (nontechnical) discussions of English grammar. Its would normally be described as a possessive pronoun, and such words are indeed capitalized in titles (in accordance with the second bulleted item under "Always capitalized" in MOS:TITLECAPS). Deor (talk) 14:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Thanks for the answer! Harushiga (talk) 14:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Troy Tulowitzki (baseball player) reference cleanup
Go to article, career statistics section, reference#93. Can you please clean up that reference for me? Cant figure out what I did wrong. Thank you and have a good day.Theairportman33531 (talk) 12:47, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Theairportman33531, I have fixed the error. <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  13:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you.Have a good day.Theairportman33531 (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

My laptop now has been damaged
I have my Lenovo laptop but now my laptop is damaged and didn't receives Wi-Fi connection when too far from Wi-Fi router. So I can only edit Wikipedia by place my laptop close proximity within Wi-Fi router. My plan is replacing my Lenovo laptop with Asus one, but should I logged out Wikipedia account from my Lenovo and re-logged in to Asus ones? Please help. Lkas123 (talk) 10:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia uses cookies to keep you logged in to the site. Unless you find a way to transfer your browser's data from the old device to the new device, your login will not automtically transfer between devices, meaning you have to log in on your new device again. AFAIK the MediaWiki software currently only allows one active login session per account, and starting a new one ends the previous one. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have three active login sessions. MediaWiki does not end a session unless the user changes their password or the session expires. WPEditor42  ( talk  •  contribs ) 16:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * hi @Lkas123 and welcome to the teahouse? do you plan to give away the old laptop? if so, you may want to log out from all your accounts there to avoid others accessing your accounts. happy editing!
 * @Victor Schmidt, I'm not sure if my brain is mush rn and don't understand this properly, but afaik no? I've had Wikipedia logged on on all my devices and rarely need to relog. &#128156; melecie   talk  - 11:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hm maybe its some sort of setting or they have changed it since I last switched devices... Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:12, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You can be logged in in multiple devices and multiple browsers on the same device. If you log out in any of them then they are all logged out. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Raffiey Nasir
Hi everyone! I was wondering if you have some tips how I could improve my article. It was rejected, as it was deemed too positive/non-neutral. I tried to see what revisions I could make, but without much success. Any tips would be highly appreciated. Thanks. Draft:Raffiey Nasir ResearchedEditor100 (talk) 08:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello. Just noting that the draft was only declined, not rejected.  "Rejected" has a specific meaning, that resubmission is not possible.  Declined means resubmission is possible. 331dot (talk) 09:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification, User:331dot. Still learning the jargon. ResearchedEditor100 (talk) 09:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * NOTE: An earlier version of this was Speedy deleted as G11, contested, and confirmed to be deleted. RE100 has now created and submitted a new version, now declined. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * User:ResearchedEditor100 - See Teahouse above, which is my follow-up to the issue about your draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Help editing an article about an organization with which I am affiliated
Hi,

I am affiliated with the University of Richmond, and I know there are protocols around making edits for an organization with which you are affiliated. However, my institution just formally changed the name of its law school, and I would like the entry to correctly reflect that.

Specifically, on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Richmond_School_of_Law, "T.C. Williams School of Law" needs to be changed to "University of Richmond School of Law" in two instances at the top. Here is an independent source for validation: https://www.nbc12.com/2022/09/23/uofr-changes-law-school-name-university-richmond-school-law/.

Would someone be able to help or point me in the right direction?

Thank you! Hms440 (talk) 17:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Normally an editor with a conflict of interest would make an edit request on the article talk page. I have made the change, but in the future, you can create a proposal on Talk:University of Richmond School of Law, and preface your proposal with the tag request edit to cause your request to be listed on a category page. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I showed support correctly
I wanted to show support for renaming the page for Speedrun to Speedrunning, but I don't know how, and I ended up trying to do that by replying, and now I'm not sure if that was correct. If it wasn't, could someone please explain how to do it correctly? Thanks. Mellofonemoment (talk) 17:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Move discussions customarily use bullet points for individual responses. Sadly the Wikipedia "Reply" feature does not support this yet, so you have to edit the actual wikitext of the page. You can see how others have responded, basically like: * Your opinion here.  Madeline  ( part of me ) 17:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Mellofonemoment. Please note that "showing support" is not really germane in discussions in Wikipedia. If you have an argument to present that has not already been advanced, then by all means present it. But a hundred or a thousand people posting "Move" (or any other choice) without giving any reasons beyond "I agree" does not (or should not) affect the outcome. See WP:!VOTE. ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Nicknames
Steve Vladeck begins, "Stephen Isaiah Vladeck (born September 26, 1979)." The list of his publications identify him as "Vladeck, Stephen I."

It does not seem appropriate to title an article with a nickname, especially when the publications listed show that he does not publish under a nickname. I don't know how to change a title. I posted this comment at Talk:Steve Vladeck, but I always get quicker responses at the Teahouse. Maurice Magnus (talk) 10:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Maurice Magnus. That is not a nickname, it is, apparently, his full legal name, and this says "The most complete name should appear at the beginning of the article to provide maximum information." Nicknames are sometimes included too, depending on how well-known they are. 97.113.27.216 (talk) 12:36, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @97.113.27.216 (talk) I don't understand. It appears that his most complete name, Stephen Isaiah Vladeck, appears at the beginning of the article, but that the title of the article, Steve Vladeck, uses a nickname. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (Me again, different IP) @Maurice Magnus, the article title is a different thing again - see here. Quoting from that page: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above." A look through the sources (not the publications list, the sources talking about him) should tell you which name they most commonly use. If it isn't "Steve", then yes, it should be changed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Because you say "(not the publications list, the sources talking about him)," I googled and the hits were a mix of "Steve"s and "Stephen"s. I guess, then, that we can let it be. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * To answer the other part of your question, @Maurice Magnus, changing a title is done by performing a page move (WP:MOVE). Those can be requested here or, in most cases, an autoconfirmed user can simply do it themselves, though - like everything else on Wikipedia - if it's likely to be controversial, it should probably be discussed first. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

@User:Maurice Magnus -You may be interested to read MOS:HYPOCORISM. DS (talk) 21:47, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Removed a fabricated statement, editor reverted it
Hello, I recently noticed a suspicious claim on the article Death of Tim Piazza, saw that the cited article had no such information at all, and removed the statement--only for an editor who frequents that page to revert my correction with no comment. This editor does not respond to comments on their talk page. What's the best course of action here? Cotni.mkw (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Cotni.mkw, try WP:Third opinion, or, if it gets serious, WP:ANI. Sungodtemple (talk) 20:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that most dispute resolution options require at least an attempt at discussion on the talk page (Talk:Death of Tim Piazza), so a post there and a ping of the reverting editor should be the very first place to go. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:30, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * , according to the BBC, the assertion is correct. Just replace the reference that gives a 404 error. Cullen328 (talk) 22:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Block quotations and can a plaque be used as a source?
How can an editor properly use MOS:BQ? I tried to quote a plaque with block quotations, but I was reverted. I wanted to add the quoted text from the plaque because I felt that I could not otherwise write about what the plaque was saying due to lack of sources talking about it. Could I use the plaque itself as a source for the information it contains? ShaveKongo (talk) 21:57, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You can use Template: Cite sign which You do need to consider the reliability of the plaque. If it was installed by a government agency, museum or recognized historical society, it is probably reliable. But many things called plaques are put up by random people and so are not reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 22:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it, thanks Cullen! ShaveKongo (talk) 22:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Need help with Goodlife Clothing page
I have created the Draft:Goodlife Clothing page, but was declined a second time today, even after I made extensive edits for neutral tone and references. I leaned on two other similar pages - Buck Mason and Everlane - for tone, and the sources are also all very similar. Can anyone please help me understand what I can do to improve the article? Thanks in advance! Empress7dg (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * the reviewer left a comment on the page, and you have not corrected the article. That one phrase comes across as promotional. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much @Anachronist! I didn't see the comments at first, but now that I have, I understand the note around the phrasing. I'll revise it. Thanks also for linking to the source legend. I'll see what other sources I can find to bring substance to the article. Empress7dg (talk) 20:01, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Buck Mason is a bad example. You changed very little between second Declined and resubmitting. Try to improve the article before is is reviewed again. David notMD (talk) 22:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)