Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1197

How to Know Notable Sources
I noticed some sources are termed not from credible platform. Is there a link I can use as refrence to know exactly the major sources/ reference Wikipedia accept? 105.112.189.111 (talk) 21:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Welcome, IP editor. I suspect that Reliable sources/Perennial sources would be helpful for you to check out. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify something that Nick Moyes stated which is somewhat misleading, Wikipedia does not maintain a list of acceptable (or unacceptable) sources. When a specific source has been discussed in Wikipedia discussion forums several times, it may be added to the list Nick showed you, but please note that most sources have never been discussed on Wikipedia in any extensive sense, so most sources aren't going to appear on that page.  The correct page Nick Moyes should have referred you to is Reliable sources, which gives editors a framework for evaluating potential sources for their appropriate for use in Wikipedia.  It is entirely impractical, given the likely billions of books, videos, audio files, websites, magazines, journals, news papers, and other odds and ends, that exist in the world, that anyone will have gone through and checked all of them, approving or disapproving of each.  Instead, it is expected that any Wikipedia editor is competent enough to apply the principles explained at Reliable sources to any source you come across.  In simplest terms, read the rules at Reliable sources, apply those rules in good faith, and decide whether any particular source you are looking at is good or not.  If you have a source you are unsure about, OR if you and someone else disagree on how to assess the reliability of a particular source, Reliable sources/Noticeboard is a good place to get some attention to your issue.  -- Jayron 32 16:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's fair clarification, Jayron. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

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Politics related topics 2402:4000:B281:17CC:65CF:49E0:DFE4:55D9 (talk) 09:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Are you looking for Index of politics articles or Category:Politics? Shantavira|feed me 10:11, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Edward Hayter draft
Hello, i would have to have some help in my draft, if i could reach out to medias to get him on articles written about him and only him could he be notable? It keeps getting declined and i dont know how to improve it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Edward_Hayter Veganpurplefox (talk) 00:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Veganpurplefox, pursuing media coverage is the right approach, but keep in mind that it has to be independent coverage. So if you just get a "journalist" to republish a press release, it won't count. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 05:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'm writing to news like the guardian, the independent, BBC... also looking to find the ones who wrote articles about my other favs actors to reach more of them to hopefully someone write articles about him. I want them to cover everything so I could have enough content for wiki Veganpurplefox (talk) 11:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Looking for feedback
Hi! I am looking for a feedback about a draft of my first article. I have edited quite a bit before without creating an account. Would any one be willing to provide some guidance or tips/suggestions please? Thank you KrisJohanssen (talk) 11:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I assume you are speaking about Draft:Bhargav Sri Prakash. The best way to get feedback is to submit it for a review. 331dot (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @KrisJohanssen I ran citation bot to fix some of the bare URL but they still need work: see WP:CITE and cite web. In places you have WP:CITEKILL and you should cut things down to those that back up the content while meeting all of these criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You are also overlinking. You don't need to link every single instance of "vaccine" (only the first), but you do need to explain what is meant by a digital vaccine. Also you should never begin a section with a pronoun. Shantavira|feed me 12:05, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Bhargav Sri Prakash says a lot about "digital vaccines", without ever explaining what they are. This tends to give the impression that he's a quack. Indeed, when I look elsewhere to learn about digital vaccines, I find that they aren't vaccines at all. Maproom (talk) 12:15, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Maintenance/cleanups/improvements/tools
Hi! In order not to bore you with too many details about my history I'll just give you a TL;DR: I used to be an occasional editor about a decade ago but had a long hiatus and forgot my original username and now I'm back.

I'm mainly interested in maintenance and cleanup work and I was wondering what new tools are out there to make this task easier or what pages to follow. I also don't want to jump in too quickly but would be interested in pages where discussions take place. As for vandalism this will seem as an amateur question but have things changed since 2010? I imagine there's tools out there and improved AbuseFilters that make it much easier to revert.

If anyone could direct me to some of these tools and/or pages that'd be great! Darron4 (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * P.S.: I've read a bit about page curation and wanted to clarify whether it's only for users who have been registered for 90 days and have 500 edits or whether less experienced users are also allowed to help out (albeit without the "page curation tool") Darron4 (talk) 10:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Darron4, and welcome back! This isn't quite maintenance, but the first thing I'd note as a chance is that verification standards have increased: new content is expected to be cited and new articles must meet notability standards in a way that wasn't as true (or as enforced) a decade ago.
 * Overall, I'd go to WP:TASK as a launching spot, as it'll list a bunch of pages for specific tasks you can navigate to, which will then have info about specific tools/instructions.
 * Page curation through WP:NPP is a more difficult task since it requires a good understanding of current notability standards, which is why it's a restricted permission. I'd spend some time at WP:AFD and such first to familiarize yourself. You have a leg up compared to most given your past experience, even if distant, but 500/30 is a very bare minimum for that permission, so if you request it too soon it might not be granted the first time.
 * Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 13:59, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the advice ! Darron4 (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK Page - Edit v. Edit Source
Does the DYK page has “edit” (visual) besides “edit source”? Template talk:Did you know How do I reply to comments for those DKY nomination articles under review? I clicked “reply” to a reviewer's comment, but the message said I have to edit the entire page which appears to have “edit source” mode only. Thank you. Path2space (talk) 22:20, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Path2space Just as here at the Teahouse, most (if not all) Talk Pages require you to use WP:Source Editor when replying. It's not too difficult to master (it's far less so than the complex DYK instructions!!!) so what is the particular issue you are concerned about? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Nick, thanks for responding. Good to know I need to master the editing by source. I will look up WP: Source Editor.  Thank you. Path2space (talk) 17:22, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

ISSNs in citations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ISSN includes "An ISSN is particularly helpful in the following circumstances" which include "In a citation to an article that is not available online except behind a WP:PAYWALL" and "In a citation to an article that is not available online in full text". How are they helpful in those circumstances? When I've seen paywalled articles cited I've sought/created archived versions. Should I also add ISSNs? To date I've only noticed an ISSN in the citation of one Wall Street Journal article. Mcljlm (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Mcljlm! You might have more luck asking this in a place like WT:CS1. Personally, my experience is that, because ISSNs are for publications rather than for individual articles, they're much less helpful than e.g. DOIs, and they're often overused because VisualEditor's citation tool seems to like them. Basically, all you really want to have is at least one identifier in each citation. That could be a URL, or a DOI, or an OCLC, or an ISSN, but just plain text is non-preferable. And all of this only matters if you're trying to get an article's references to a featured-quality level. Hope that helps! Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 18:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've posted my questions in WT:CS1. Mcljlm (talk) 18:45, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Mass-deletion discussion?
I'm a new page patroller, and I recently came across a massive glut of new articles from the beginning of August – essentially all the same – which I believe are non-notable. Namely, the articles from Norse group that start with 'S/[year]' were created by one user in an extremely short timespan, all ostensibly created via template with minimal changes between them. There are so many of these that it's not worth my time or anyone else's to hold individual deletion discussions for all of them, so I was wondering if it's possible to have a centralized discussion for deleting or keeping all of them.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  12:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @TheTechnician27! It's definitely possible (and encouraged). See WP:BUNDLE. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 15:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I warn you that if any of the items in the list seem at all different from each other (a bit longer, even one or two additional sources, anything), you might want to avoid bundling those ones together. A lot of the time, a bundled AfD stalemates as people argue over individual items. If they really are all the same, bundle the lot. If they're only mostly the same, my advice is to bundle the lowest-hanging fruit only, and see where it goes from there. (Don't be sneaky about this - write it into the AfD so people know what's going on and know what criteria you used to identify the most obvious deletion candidates.) -- asilvering (talk) 20:55, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

translating an existing article from Ukrainian to English?
Greetings: I am an academically trained musicologist, now retired. I am interested in the Ukrainian composer Григорій Ісакович Компанієць (Grigorii Isaakovich Kompaneets). One of his choral works was published in the US, and performed regularly by the Westminster Choir College Chorus for many years. Yet there are no reliable English-language sources that are readily accessible. I would like to begin an English-language page on him (or encourage another experienced contributor to do so). For this, it would be useful to use the existing page in Ukrainian, at least as a template. I would appreciate suggestions about how to proceed. Schiller67 (talk) 11:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Schiller67 That's fine: please read WP:TRANSLATE for some instructions. While English sources are preferred, other languages are OK. You will need to show how the composer meets our notability guidelines, which are quite strict. You need these types of sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Make sure you also read WP:HOWTRANS, especially the part on attribution, which is very important! -- asilvering (talk) 20:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Is it OK to comment on an edit warring report?
Another user was reported at WP:AN3 for edit warring and I wanted to know whether it was OK for me to comment there. I believe that the accusation against this editor is wrong and done in bad faith; my intent is to defend the accused user and refute some of the claims against them. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:08, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you have relevant information to add to a report, to provide an administrator with additional information to help make a decision on what action to take, then you can certainly comment on it. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're more than welcome to comment.
 * (also used 134.192.8.17, 169.156.16.220, and 167.102.146.19) 50.169.82.253 (talk) 01:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Where to go for more task editing decisions
Hi, I would like to see if I could in order to task editing like and I’m not sure how to go about seeing if there is a way to do anything like this? Drishithan (talk) 00:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Could you please be more clear with your request? I don't quite understand your question. Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 01:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Your question is unclear. If you're looking for ideas on tasks to work on, check out Task_Center RudolfRed (talk) 03:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I’m just trying to see where I can even go to see if there is something more than what certain articles on Wikipedia with any sourcing to YouTube or a comparable platform where there might be different opinions as to find out? If there isn’t, then I would need someone to tell me where I could go to see if there is something more than what different sources have (in terms of social media reliability) with regards to diversifying even as far as search functions without. Drishithan (talk) 04:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Is it a spam comment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mentor_Graphics

There is a comment mentioned under title "Forever living products international." Is this relevant for this chat? Wikieditor 2027 (talk) 14:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It's been removed as spam. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 14:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That spammer made only one edit 14 months ago, and hasn't been heard from again. Cullen328 (talk) 05:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Defclarea big real estate association in karachi pakistan please guide us.
i want to create a page as a defclarea big real estate association in karachi pakistan please guide us. Jaffarhussain9 (talk) 08:17, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia must not be used for advertising. Please read the messages on your talk page and WP:42. Also your draft is about to be deleted as a copyright infringement. Shantavira|feed me 08:40, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Why do Wikipedia project pages not have page previews?
It is my understanding that upon hovering over a link to an article, by default an excerpt of the first paragraph along with an image from the article will appear. However, for Wikipedia project pages, these do not appear. Also, "MOS:" links always show an error for me, because they redirect to project pages(?) It seems that previews are disabled for project pages. Is there any way to turn them on? LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 19:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @LOOKSQUARE, hmm, I'm not sure about that. The documentation page is at Page Previews. You could try asking at the talk page there. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 20:37, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, the page previews work only in the mainspace. However you can disable them alltogether and try the Navigation popups gadget instead. Ruslik_ Zero 20:43, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I stopped using page previews years ago, and rely solely on Navigation Popups for previewing pages across (I believe)all spaces, and for quickly getting information on users' contributions and userpages, etc. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, Navigation popups was a community-built gadget that predated the foundation-built Page Previews. I've never tried it, since I find that Page previews works fine, and I try to keep my interface relatively close to the interface that readers see so that I don't inadvertently make changes that favor editors. If there are elements of Navigation popups that would benefit readers or casual editors, I'd suggest pushing for those to be added to Page Previews so that they can benefit everyone. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 20:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sdkb Ah, well I found I needed to create a second account just to understand precisely what new users see . Unless defaults have changed yet again since I made that account 18 months ago, new users don't actually get Page Previews by default anyway; they have to proactively set them in the Preferences.
 * But, as an admin, I find Nav Popups far and away more useful - they may not be for everyday users, of course. It's the ability to not only get a small preview of the article or userpage, but also to see a complete dropdown menu of actions and links which lets one access history, user links, block logs, etc., and hovering over those then previews their latest contributions, deleted contributions, page history, and so on. One can delve into issues around one article or one user (or users who have recently interacted with that user) with just a few small mouse moves, rather than lots of page clicks.
 * That said, I was a great fan of Page Previews (aka Hovercards) when it was in beta and I wasn't doing behind-the-scenes work. Hence why I created this, now redundant, Userbox. I don't think I'll be pushing for the features I've described to be added to Page Previews though! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

How to correct nationality pulled from a database?
Lion13 (talk) 23:56, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

The article Igor L. Markov shows an Authority Control box at the bottom, which indicates Czech Republic as nationality. However the article strongly suggests Ukraine. There is no obvious way to fix this.
 * Hmmm.... The bizzare thing is that even the authority control says Kyiv (Ukraine) but the source is the Czech National Authority Database and somehow this is being displayed as the person having a Czech nationality. I wonder if that's true for other non-Czech people who happen to be in that database. I don't know how to fix this either. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lion13@Anachronist the authority control pulls info from Wikidata, so you'd need to go there to correct anything. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 04:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I know, the wikidata page is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64867104 but I have no idea what to change on it, tbere is no field for nationality. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * "National" in Authority control does not mean nationality of the subject. The box can link to various databases and many of them are labelled "National". William Shakespeare has 25 country links under "National" in the box. Igor L. Markov happens to only have one which isn't from his own country but the Czech National Authority Database at the National Library of the Czech Republic. It includes entries about foreigners, maybe authors with books in the library. The "National" label cannot be changed. links to wikidata:Property:P691 so the whole entry could be omitted with , but it's a legitimate link with information about the subject. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:25, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikiethics
Hi, I've been on Wikipedia for quite a few months already. This may be a bit off topic for me to be asking this at the Teahouse, but I want to know how I can improve: Thanks, Tarantula TM  (speak with me) (my legacy) 05:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) How much Wikipedia time is too much Wikipedia time? How does one balance life with Wikipedia?
 * 2) How does one not get demotivated? Surely there must be some point in time when an editor gets bored.
 * 3) Why do people put so much of their time improving the encyclopedia (no offense, y'all are great at what you do)?


 * Ya know, these are some interesting questions.
 * 1. Too much Wikipedia time? Eh, imo we can set how long we edit Wikipedia, or just edit until they get bored. You've got your daily chores and work...
 * 2. Sometimes editing is fun in working to help building and update the encyclopedia, however I believe if we just get bored at researching and updating and helping then that motivation decreases. I'm not sure exactly how it works since most times I am motivated by Wikipedia.
 * 3. We're here to build an encyclopedia! Well, I like to update and edit, they just became my hobbies somehow. :) Tails   Wx  (they/them) ⚧ 08:03, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Editing Wikipedia is a hobby, and people participate because they enjoy it. Who can truly understand the underlying motivations of stamp collectors or people who build scale models? Both of those were hobbies of mine in the past. My wife has assembled a quite impressive collection of teapots, and I have often joked that I live in a teapot museum. And book collecting can become an obsession. If you don't have unlimited shelf space, you reach a point where you spend as much time weeding out less desirable books as you do buying and reading new books. I have been editing Wikipedia frequently for 14 years. Many aspects appeal to me, mainly the creation of free educational content for the benefit of everone, including future generations. The long term impact factor truly appeals to me. Before I edited Wikipedia, I did political opinion blogging for a few years. I came to realize that some people might read my opinions and analysis for a few days. But it would all be forgotten quite quickly as people inevitably moved onto the next hot button issue. But the work I have done writing and expanding articles has enduring value. Although I am sure that articles like Salade niçoise and Harry Yount and George Meany and Cedric Wright will be expanded and improved as time goes by. But I am highly confident that much of what I have written in these and many other articles will remain informative for many years to come, and that anyone who looks back on my work on Wikipedia after I am gone will consider it to be good work. I get to write about the topics that interest me and intrigue me the most, as well as topics that have suddenly attracted my interest, like Grace Quan, an article I wrote about a Chinese junk, historically reconstructed in California. All those articles and many others will be part of my legacy, along with my love for my wife, my sons and my granddaughter. I also get gratification from helping new editors along their path to becoming productive, long term Wikipedia editors. Cullen328 (talk) 08:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You could take a look at Internet addiction disorder, which even has a (brief) section on Wikipedia addiction. You don't need to have an extreme addiction to consider some of the relevant factors. If you're balancing real life and Wikipedia, you should always choose real life. I've been editing for 18 years :) Why put so much time into it? Just look at what we've created so far. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @TrademarkedTarantula I recently responded to a request from a user to block their account and their ability to edit their talk page for a 6 month period. They found themselves too drawn into Wikipedia and they wanted to ensure they would have no distractions from their real life issues. That's quite a rare case, and there are other ways around it, but it does happen. See WP:SELFBLOCK. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:27, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know.
 * I do get demotivated sometimes. I usually just change the areas I work in: if I've been doing content creation for a long time, I might focus on RfD or AfD. I try to keep a varied wikidiet.
 * It's my hobby.
 * Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:52, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Why won't images on the Russian Wikipedia work on the English Wikipedia?
I'm currently trying to edit Levan Abelishvili's article, and in doing so checked the other translations for the page for images. I found one such on the Russian translation under the name "Levan abelishvili.jpg". However, when pasting that where images would otherwise go inside infoboxes on the English Wikipedia, I was met with a red "File:Levan abelishvili.jpg" line of text where the image should be. Any ideas? Indochina2 (talk) 05:24, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It could be an image that is uploaded directly to the Russian Wikipedia, and not Commons. In such a case it would need to be uploaded directly to the English Wikipedia. (I say this without knowing anything about the licensing of the image) 331dot (talk) 06:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The picture at ru:WP is indeed hosted at Russian-language Wikipedia. To use an image here in English-language Wikipedia, it must be hosted either here or at Wikimedia Commons. It maybe be possible to copy the image to one of them, depending on its copyright status. There should be copyright information on the site credited by ru:WP, digitallibrary.tsu.ge: you'll need to be able to read Georgian to understand it. Maproom (talk) 07:52, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. I had assumed until now that all images were hosted on Commons. Thank you guys for addressing this for me. Indochina2 (talk) 10:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Indochina2 My knee-jerk reaction here is that I don't know if the source of the image, http://digitallibrary.tsu.ge, is good or just makes stuff up. Maybe you do.
 * If so, you can use it on en-WP as "fair use", because he's dead. Go to WP:FUW, choose "Upload a non-free file" > "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." > "This is a historical portrait of a person no longer alive.". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I wasn't aware that there were fringe cases where Wikipedia permitted images not explicitly stated to be free to be used on their platform. In the meantime, I found an image without the watermark the Russian Wikipedia's article bears, and have used that instead. Indochina2 (talk) 10:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Indochina2 Somewhat simplified, it applies to dead people, fictional people, stuff like book covers/film posters and logos (and very simple logos are allowed on Commons). But only in a WP article about the subject of the picture, so you can't put the fair use pic of Levan Abelishvili in for example Georgian Technical University. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:45, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Rewriting "Gene Caesar" for publication
Many thanks to Theroadislong for their prompt and helpful response, particularly for the note "whole sections lack references." I'm trying to figure out what kinds of references would be acceptable.

For the section "Early life," I could photograph book covers and magazines with stories by Eunice Lee Caesar and Mildred Caesar. There's also a print newspaper article about Allan Caesar I should be able to find. Helpful?

For the section "Marriage and family," there is a newspaper article (paper) on the wedding, unfortunately with no date visible. I have my own birth certificate, and could probably find records for my two brothers. I have their baby books, with dates and even times of birth in them.

"Service to state government": quote appears in the image provided.

"Death": date could be substantiated by online sources. Cause of death: I am not sure that I still have the death certificate, but I can look. Obviously, I remember it well, from handling the death details and planning the funeral.

Apart from this, I understand that I need more outside reviews or writings about Gene Caesar's work?

Is this largely correct?

Many thanks again for your help. Caesarc (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * , statements in Wikipedia articles should be cited to reliable published independent sources. Certificates of birth and death don't help, as they haven't been published. You can cite books and magazines, giving their bibliographical details including author, name and date of publication, and page number.  But uploading pictures of them won't help at all, and your uploads will be deleted as copyright violations. I see that Draft:Gene Caesar uses some pictures of book covers which you've uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, claiming them as your own work. Unless you're the artist who designed those book covers, they aren't your own work, and are likely to be deleted from Commons. Maproom (talk) 14:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Maproom. Would you have any suggestions for sources I could use? For biographical details, it would seem to me that the first published biography of any given subject must rely on primary sources like birth certificates, no? (Subsequent biographies could refer to already-published ones.)
 * I realize that Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and more secondary sources are needed. Would it be helpful for me to create a Gene Caesar biography, perhaps in website form, using my family documents and my own testimony? And then reference that?
 * Regarding copyright: I am the only direct descendant of Gene Caesar living. He has no spouse, siblings or other children alive. So I suppose I hold copyright to his works (and his family photos), if anyone does. I would be happy to cede this copyright to Creative Commons.
 * I greatly appreciate your assistance. Caesarc (talk) 14:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Subscript@ 2601:586:4C7F:DD00:60B7:DD43:D0DD:2B10 (talk) 15:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Caesarc, on WP, we demand secondary WP:RS, this is never the place to be "first." Primary sources can have some use, but they don't help with WP:N, neither does his books, directly. A webpage by you wouldn't help much per WP:SPS.
 * This book p220-221 is the kind of source you need for WP:N, it mentions Caesar, and not just in passing. Check gbooks, archive.org, newspaper archives like ProQuest and Heritage_Microfilm,_Inc..
 * If can find you these sources, you should probably consider WP:BACKWARD. You may have to scale back, but it may be possible to make an article that can "stick". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! I will pursue these sources. Caesarc (talk) 15:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Caesarc And while his books don't help directly, if they get NYT reviews, that is quite interesting, and a good indicator that he should probably have a WP-article. WP:OFFLINE and WP:PAYWALL may be of interest. And looks interesting if you can access it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:55, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi sir, I love wikipedia and what i can do for it?
Sir, Please help me to write on Wikipedia - Johnlearningwiki (talk) 16:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Disengenuous to appear here as a new editor when your other two edits are at your User page Sandbox User:Johnlearningwiki/sandbox and Sandbox Talk, exploring a template for vandalism block. Do you have a different account, which has been blocked? David notMD (talk) 16:42, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I'm Arya?
Hello sir, I'm From Dahod, India Арья Шах Кинчиткумар 13:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Арья Шах Кинчиткумар! Welcome to the Teahouse, where you can ask questions about editing Wikipedia! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Gråbergs Gråa Sång please note that this is an LTA. Notrealname1234 (talk) 15:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your User page is about to be deleted because it is not a place to attempt to create article-like content about yourself. See WP:UP for what goes there. David notMD (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If anyone's interested, it's this one. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft in french
I was wondering when we write in Englsih ,What is the specific therm in French? Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The short description with the afc submission, whats the words to make it a draft in french Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * as my English version made it in a official Wikipedia page, I'm trying to make the French version but don't know the words used to start the draft
 * https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Emslie# Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Veganpurplefox. French Wikipedia may or may not have a system corresponding to AFC, and may or may not have an equivalent of Draft space. If Translate us doesn't help (and I don't think it will), I suggest you ask at fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Further note: WP:Drafts isn't linked to a page on fr-wiki, which makes me think that they probably do not have draft space there. I may be wrong, though. ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK thank you I will look it up Veganpurplefox (talk) 17:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Looking for advice on rewriting declined submission
Hi, newbie here! My Draft:Kate Hayllar didn't get approved to be a Wikipedia article, on the basis that my references don't show significant coverage about the subject. How would you suggest I improve my references? I'm new to this, so any help would be much appreciated. MikeDosch (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, MikeDosch, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
 * I'm afraid that my principal advice would be to put aside the whole idea of creating a new article until you have been editing existing articles for a couple of months, and understand better how Wikipedia works.
 * But the direct answer to your question is: find several sources, each of which is 1) reliably published (probably all of yours are, except possibly the exhibition catalogue), 2) Wholly independent of Hayllar (the PhD thesis unfortunately is probably not, judging by the author's name; in any case, academic theses can be used but care should be exercised, as they are often, in part, primary sources (WP:SCHOLARSHIP); the exhibition catalogue is certainly not); and 3) contains significant coverage of Hayllar (the Thesis may well do so, but as noted, it has other limitations as a source, and none of the others look likely to).
 * Unfortunately, as many many new editors have discovered, beginning to write a draft without first finding such sources is like building a house without first surveying the ground to check it is stable and suitable. Please see BACKWARDS, as well as WP:YFA if you have not read that already. ColinFine (talk) 17:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Assumed years
In cataloguing a book/article square brackets are placed around a year when it doesn't appear but is certain/almost certain. Doing that here results in " : Check date values in: |year= (help)". Is it possible to have years between square brackets? Mcljlm (talk) 23:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The documentation for the  parameter of the cite book template says
 * For approximate year, precede with " ", like this: .
 * Would that work for what you want to do? CodeTalker (talk) 03:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If that's the closest it will have to do but it's not ideal. Mcljlm (talk) 04:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Mcljlm, if you have a book with a known modern republication date and a fuzzy original publication date, the best practice is to put the republication date in the date parameter, and use the more syntactically forgiving orig-date parameter to convey the uncertainty around original publication. There's a source I frequently cite where I have 80s or 90s BCE and it works just fine. Note however that if you don't provide a value to either date or year, orig-date will not display. Folly Mox (talk) 18:08, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Physical magazine
hello, if there are physical magazines for someone who doesn't have much articles online how do I access them to get the informations? The magazines were out years ago and are from UK news which I live in canada so I cannot cross Oceans to go in the country to ast if the magazines are still available Veganpurplefox (talk) 18:19, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You may be able to ask if someone can find a resource at WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. The Internet Archive and Wikipedia Library might also have some digitized resources not available on the website of your magazine. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  18:55, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Categories and Templates
I just edited a page for Freddi Fish and Luther's Maze Madness and want to know how to add a category section and the template showing the other Humongous Entertainment games on that page. Can someone help me out? 2603:6010:8B45:FA00:D908:8865:6E43:7FDA (talk) 05:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Categories go at the very bottom of the Wikicode in the source editor. Though I am not certain, I think the template should go there as well, right above the categories. Cullen328 (talk) 07:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia, but I'm afraid that worrying about categories and templates for that article is like painting the windows of a house that is about to fall down. I have tagged it for its complete lack of independent sources, and its probable failure to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability.
 * The only thing that can save the article is finding some sources which are all three of reliably published, wholly unconnected with the writers or publishers of the game, and containing significant coverage of it. ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll try to find more reliable information on it. I was really desperate to have pages for the Junior Arcade HE games, because I figured that people reading the Freddi Fish pages should know what they are about. 2603:6010:8B45:FA00:F8DC:6DAB:182:B6F4 (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Help
I made a template (a stub template) but idk how to make categories, what do I do? ⌬ CH₃mificαtion! ⌬  23:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Chemification, welcome to the Teahouse. You make categories by creating the category page in the same as other pages. You can click a red link to the category and save it with some content, e.g. adapted from a similar category. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Repeated Vandalism
Hello Teahouse,

Not sure if this is the right place to do this (would love to know how to do this correctly in the future!) but I would like to report repeated vandalism from a user on one specific page. An anonymous user has repeatedly (8 seperate times now, Special:Contributions/176.12.13.195) vandalized the article for Peter Eisenman. I believe this user should be blocked from editing the page, which I believe requires admin action. Thanks! SSR07 (talk) 00:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @SSR07, and welcome to the Teahouse! Vandalism after a fourth or only warning can be reported at Administrator intervention against vandalism (shortcut: WP:AIV). I have reported the IP. —charmquark she/they talk contribs 01:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The IP vandal has been blocked for six months. Thanks for pointing this out, . Cullen328 (talk) 01:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both! SSR07 (talk) 02:13, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Template code
Templates often have many arguments you can provide (like can have date=, first=, last=, etc). Some code is converting the template and those arguments into html to be displayed. Where can I find that code? I assume it's freely available. Closhund /talk/  01:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Closhund: The entire process from template to HTML isn't something that one person is expected to know, but (very) long story short:
 * There's an entire template namespace - the template can be found at Template:Cite web. Viewing the source for said template reveals , which invokes a module called Module:Citation/CS1. This module, which is a Lua program, is run by mw:Extension:Scribunto (git) to generate wikitext, which is processed by MediaWiki (git). —charmquark she/they talk contribs 02:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I assumed it would be something like Mustache, which I'm not familiar with. And some templates don't use #invoke, so this is more complicated than I hoped it would be. Thank you. I have a lot of reading to do. Closhund  /talk/  02:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is an intro: Help:Template The "Parameters" section gives an overview of named and numbered arguments. Rjjiii (talk) 03:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleting talk pages
I can't find the rules for the process of proposing deletion of a talk page. The talk page in question is Talk:SAM JOSHI. It's not connected to an article (or it sort of is, but the article doesn't exist) it's just floating out in space. I think the content probably belongs in the userspace of the user who created it. I was going to use but then it said it was only for articles, and this isn't really an article. If there is an appropriate guideline page for this situation I would love a link to it. Thanks. Ronsaur (talk) 02:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I think it is this template (for speedy deletion and not proposed deletion) which I have added in case I am wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASAM_JOSHI&diff=1170272683&oldid=1170265162 Rjjiii (talk) 03:04, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That looks right for sure! Thank you so much for the help! Ronsaur (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

User contributions Q
I was checking out someone's user contrinutions and every page they edited had [rollback] [vandalism], with rollback in blue and vandalism in red. I've never seen this before. What does this mean? Dutchy45 (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @dutchy45: it's a feature of twinkle. clicking either will revert the edit: [rollback] prompts for a reason, while [vandalism] is used to revert vandalism. ltbdl (talk) 04:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Aaah, yeah I just installed that last week. Hadn't seen any user contributions since. Thanks @Ltbdl. Dutchy45 (talk) 04:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Pages on individual locomotives
Hello. My name is Locomotive 150. I recently submitted the draft Draft:LMS Jubilee Class 5606 Falkland Islands for review and it didn’t pass. I have accepted this, but this raises questions for me on certain articles pertaining to individual steam locomotives. My main question is if these actually qualify as articles or even stubs. I’ll include a list of them below.
 * BR Standard Class 7 70048 The Territorial Army 1908-1958
 * GWR 4073 Class 7028 Cadbury Castle
 * LMS Jubilee Class 5731 Perseverance

What I’m really trying to find out is how or why mine didn’t pass, but these did. Thank you for your time. Locomotive 150 (talk) 19:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Locomotive 150, welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Unfortunately as Wikipedia has millions of articles, there are loads of articles that no one has gotten around to fixing or deleting. Our notability guidelines have also become more strict over the years so it is likely that a few of those articles might not be accepted under the new rules. See Other Stuff Exists.
 * However, I will note that your article was only 'declined'- this means you can re-submit it for review if you address the points made by the reviewer! The main issue seems to be that it doesn't have great secondary sources: if you're able to expand your article with some secondary sources then it can be reviewed again.
 * On the other hand, it is worth noting that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate database of information, so perhaps your (well written!) article would be better for a train-centric website or wiki?  Qcne  (talk)  20:11, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Locomotive 150. I agree that all three of those are dubious, and two of them already have long-standing tags calling attention to their deficiencies.
 * Ideally somebody (maybe you, since you are interested?) will put some time into looking for suitable sources for those articles, and either add citations, or nominate the articles for deletion if you think that suitable sources simply don't exist. ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I happen to be an editor who is the primary author of an article about an individual locomotive, Sierra No. 3, often called the "Movie Star Locomotive" because of its appearance in many Hollywood movies and TV shows for decades. So, I certainly agree that individual locomotives can be notable. What establishes notability, though, is references to significant coverage of the individual locomotive in reliable, independent sources. The article that I wrote includes at least eight such references. Cullen328 (talk) 08:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I would like to have my edit requests looked at
Prior to today I would seek guidance from another user named Valereee (who in my opinion is a extremely kind person) and they (I always refer to someone as they/them if I'm uncertain of their preferred pronouns) told me that this would be a better option to get people to see if they can review my partial-block edit requests. Thanks in advance. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Your requests are open and visible- a volunteer will eventually get around to reviewing them. Please be patient, volunteers do what they can when they can. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, that was the one piece of information i was missing. Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 09:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Quest to be published.
New to this, I hoped to publish an independent article of a game that has been recently rebooted & sold. As it builds on the content of an original 30 year old release it warrents its own article as it continues to expand content. Unfortunately I'm struggling with early drafts Draft:HeroQuest (Avalon Hill) Help to get published would be very much appreciated. Escopana (talk) 22:04, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , your use of square brackets in the article is confusing. Maybe they're attempts to create links. You also have some direct external links in the body of the article. They should be avoided there. Maproom (talk) 22:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Corrections submitted, thanks. Escopana (talk) 12:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your effort. I think, in your draft, you used square brackets for explanation. That's the job of the parentheses "(" and ")". Please see Help:Punctuation for more information.
 * I also wish to second what User:Maproom said: direct external links should be avoided in the body of the article.
 * In general, you might wish to read a couple of Wikipedia articles and edit for quite a few times before you create your very first article, though you are always encouraged to contribute to Wikipedia, and I hope this draft will end up accepted. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Language like and  and  is promotional jargon that does not belong in a neutrally written encyclopedia article. And when you write unreferenced stuff like, it is clear that you have not yet developed the skill of writing neutral encyclopedic prose. Marketing garbage like that belongs on company websites, not in an encyclopedia. Instead of trying to write an article to promote a "reboot", why not wrote an article about the original game, that mentions the current update briefly at the very end? That would be an actual encyclopedia article, instead of a promotional brochure masking as an encyclopedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 08:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Now I see that we already have an article HeroQuest about this existing game that already mentions the updated version. Why didn't you just edit the existing article instead of creating this new draft? Cullen328 (talk) 08:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Corrections submitted, thanks. Escopana (talk) 12:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Change article title
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Coastal_Observatory I would like to change the same of this article (I work with the manager of the programme and it was changed in 2022 the name that is, we are no longer referred to as Plymouth Coastal Observatory. We had to make a new user account as we did not have access to the original the new user is SWCM2023 originally we were allthingscoastal, could we please change the article title to South West Coastal Monitoring Programme SWCM2023 (talk) 10:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello SWCM2023. First, your username is a violation of the username policy. You cannot have the name representing the company, and it (as well as your use of "we" implies that your account is being used by multiple people. As for your question, unless you have a reliable source, the title of the article probably won't be changed. Asparagusus   (interaction)  12:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The original name of the article, is fairly accessible to the public. Currently the new name is possibly best as a redirect? This is a subject best addressed on the articles, talk page. Broichmore (talk) 13:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have requested the change of username and this account is for my own use, I was unaware of the rules previously I apologise. There are government pages available, this is a soft rebranding. SWCM2023 (talk) 13:54, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

How can i fix this?
I want to move: Tropical Storm Amelia (1978) to Tropical Storm Amelia because this Amelia was more notable then the other Amelias, plus it was the only Amelia in the Atlantic. Tropical Storm Delia (1973) to Tropical Storm Delia because it was the only time the name Delia was used for a storm in the Atlantic. and Typhoon Doksuri (2023) to Typhoon Doksuri because it's literally the second-costliest typhoon and it killed over 136 people. but when i try to move them, it says that a page with that name already exists, or the name i have chosen is not valid. How do you fix this? EvilDumplingDuck (talk) 12:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @EvilDumplingDuck! You are making an argument that the articles should be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. My suggestion would be to post this at WT:WEATHER, which is a very active WikiProject. Folks there will be able to check whether these moves are justified and to perform them if so. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 13:56, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay. EvilDumplingDuck (talk) 2:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Need help making an article better
Hello, Please I'm a new editor and I created a new article about a Media Entrepreneur doing remarkable work in my country. I have no personal affiliations with her, however the page was moved to draftspace with a remark of possible conflict of interest. I guess It's in the way I wrote the article. I have made some adjustments to the article, I'll appreciate is any of the volunteers can review and share feedback on what to do to ensure I follow Wikipedia's guidelines. Thank you

Debbylicious (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Debbylicious, you claim to have no affiliation with her, yet you also claim to have taken her professional portrait. Don't lie to us. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 13:59, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The person's portrait you uploaded, has been deleted by an admin over at the Commons. Please do not upload images you may have found on Google or somewhere on the web and claim its your own work. 🛧 Layah50♪ 🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！  ) 15:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Debbylicious, before you do ANY MORE EDITING it is required that you declare on your User page if you have either a paid or personal connection to her or her husband. If you do not, declare that on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 16:32, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the feedback. I’ll ensure I give proper image credit next time. Debbylicious (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

COI/NPOV – Where is the line?
I'm trying to understand who has a conflict of interest in a particular situation. I apologize in advance for keeping this vague and hypothetical, but I think this is not the place or time for specifics.

The subject is a for-profit company whose work is done almost entirely by volunteers. The company has a single owner, a small number of employees, many thousands of volunteers, and a Wikipedia page. The owner and employees clearly should disclose COI if they edit the article, but no Wikipedian has made such a disclosure.

My question concerns the volunteer hierarchy, and whether any unpaid editors fall under WP:COI. The organization has a class of Supermembers, chosen and empowered by company employees based on their adherence to company policies and priorities. Most of the company's employees are also designated Supermembers, but about 90% of the Supermembers are unpaid. Supermembers work closely with company employees and manage various departments manned by volunteers. Supermembers wield considerable power in the organization, including a non-employee committee that decides disciplinary matters up to and including permanent member bans. Supermembers retain their positions on condition of upholding and promoting company interests. Does the unpaid Supermember position constitute a close enough connection to create COI?

The company has a Supermember-managed Boosters department, functioning as the company's volunteer marketing arm. Boosters editing the company's article do so on behalf of the company, under the direction of one or more Supermembers (who might also be employees). Does non-Supermember Booster editing rise to the level of COI?

Thanks very much! MundoMango (talk) 16:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello MundoMango! I believe that does fall under COI. Even if it's not paid, the editors are being encouraged to do so by the company and might put in POV stuff. Asparagusus   (interaction)  16:35, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. Anyone associated with the company who edits about it on Wikipedia has a conflict of interest. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, MundoMango. I didn't fully understand all the fine detail of the middle bit of your question, but it's totally irrelevant. Anyone who is involved in the company, whether as an employee, board member, CEO, or as a volunteer will ALL have a conflict of interest if they make edits to an article about that company or about that CEO (if they were to have a page of their own). Anyone employed by the company to edit that Wikipedia article would be WP:PAID, whether directly for doing the work, or indirectly through their salary, even if they edited without the boss knowing. They have an obligation to declare who is paying them, or they could be blocked from editing. "When in doubt, declare it out". I hope that helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @MundoMango, hmm, it's a little hard to answer in the hypothetical, but in the latter scenario of Boosters, I think that would clearly be a COI. Someone who's role it is to promote the company cannot edit the article without that role coming into conflict with their editing.
 * Regarding the other scenario, the only hard line we draw is paid editing, which is defined in the terms of service. For everything else, Wikipedia's normal approach of emphasizing the spirit over the letter of guidance comes into play. So it depends on a ton of factors. How much time does a supermember devote to their role/how core is it to their identity? (The more so, the more likely a COI.) Do they feel that, if there were negative info about the organization, they'd be able to add it objectively? (If not, definitely a COI.) If they do feel they can be objective, do they also feel that other editors who might find out about their role would have confidence that they'd be able to edit objectively? (The appearance of COI can be as bad as actual COI) Those questions can guide your thinking. If in doubt, err on the safe side and declare a COI. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 16:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for the quick and thoughtful replies! The apparently irrelevant details about Supermembers reflects my poor understanding of the rules, hence the need to ask about it.  Cheers! MundoMango (talk) 18:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ... when you said a company with a small number of employees, where most of the work is done by volunteers, I thought you meant Wikipedia for a moment! However, WMF is not a for-profit company, and has little influence over most of our "supermembers". Wikipedia does indeed have its own Wikipedia page, but I doubt anyone here has declared a COI in editing it, because it's blatantly obvious that anyone editing it is one of the volunteers who edit here, because they edited... I think?? My head is now going in circles, it is time to sleep. Elemimele (talk) 21:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not Wikipedia! 😊 MundoMango (talk) 22:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

A page that should have been deleted already
Alaa Sarhan exists as an article but when I look at the talk page it says it was deleted on July 23, 2023. So was it created again? Is this allowed? 135.180.146.84 (talk) 23:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * No, not usually. Thanks for pointing this out. -- asilvering (talk) 00:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I contributed an adition to entry of Xiefei on August 14th 2023 earling morning. 6 hours later. I found
I contributed an adition to entry of  Xiefei on August 14th 2023 earling morning. 6 hours later. I found the addition was deleted. Who deleted and Why? The addition is Themes and Style. Jingfua (talk) 13:06, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your addition to Xie Fei (director) was reverted because it added  unsourced content to a biographical article. All content requires reliable published sources to back it up. Theroadislong (talk) 13:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See Help:REFSTART for instructions on how to add a source. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 13:27, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi，I just copied Martin Scorsesse entry. There is no source mentioned too. Can you explain?
 * Filmmaking style and technique[edit source]
 * Several recurring filmmaking techniques are identifiable in many of Scorsese's films. He has established a filmmaking history which involves repeat collaborations with actors, screenwriters, film editors, and cinematographers, sometimes extending over several decades, such as that with recurring cinematographers Michael Ballhaus, Robert Richardson, and Rodrigo Prieto.
 * Slow motion and freeze frame[edit source]
 * Scorsese is known for his frequent use of slow motion, for example, in Who's That Knocking at My Door (1967) and Mean Streets (1973). He is also known for using freeze frames, such as: in the opening credits of The King of Comedy (1983), throughout Goodfellas (1990), Casino (1995), The Departed (2006), and in The Irishman (2019). His blonde leading ladies are usually seen through the eyes of the protagonist as angelic and ethereal; they wear white in their first scene and are photographed in slow motion—Cybill Shepherd in Taxi Driver; Cathy Moriarty's white bikini in Raging Bull; Sharon Stone's white minidress in Casino. This may be a nod to director Alfred Hitchcock. Scorsese often uses long tracking shots, as seen in Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Casino, Gangs of New York, and Hugo. MOS sequences set to popular music or voice-over are regularly seen in his films, often involving aggressive camera movement and/or rapid editing. Scorsese sometimes highlights characters in a scene with an iris, an homage to 1920s silent film cinema (as scenes at the time sometimes used this transition). This effect can be seen in Casino (it is used on Sharon Stone and Joe Pesci), Life Lessons, The Departed (on Matt Damon), and Hugo. Some of his films include references/allusions to Westerns, particularly Rio Bravo, The Great Train Robbery, Shane, The Searchers, and The Oklahoma Kid. Slow motion flashbulbs and accented camera/flash/shutter sounds are often used, as is the song "Gimme Shelter" by The Rolling Stones heard in several of Scorsese's films: Goodfellas, Casino, and The Departed.
 * Cameo appearances[edit source]
 * Scorsese usually has a quick cameo in his films (Who's That Knocking at My Door, Boxcar Bertha, Mean Streets, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, After Hours, The Last Temptation of Christ (albeit hidden under a hood), The Age of Innocence, Gangs of New York, Hugo), he is also known to contribute his voice to a film without appearing on screen (e.g. as in The Aviator and The Wolf of Wall Street). In The Age of Innocence, for example, he appears in the non-speaking role of a large format portrait photographer in one of the passing scenes of the film. He provides the opening voice-over narration in Mean Streets and The Color of Money; plays the off-screen dressing room attendant in the final scene of Raging Bull, and provides the voice of the unseen ambulance dispatcher in Bringing Out the Dead. He also appears as the director of fictional newly formed Vatican Television in the Italian comedy In the Pope's Eye. Jingfua (talk) 19:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Those numbers you see in square brackets (which I see you're quoted text has removed compared to the article) are sources. As told to you before wikipedia requires reliable sources Lavalizard101 (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear Jingfua:
 * Welcome to the teahouse. Let's go through a paragraph you just quoted.
 * Scorsese is known for his frequent use of slow motion, for example, in Who's That Knocking at My Door (1967) and Mean Streets (1973). He is also known for using freeze frames, such as: in the opening credits of The King of Comedy (1983), throughout Goodfellas (1990), Casino (1995), The Departed (2006), and in The Irishman (2019). His blonde leading ladies are usually seen through the eyes of the protagonist as angelic and ethereal; they wear white in their first scene and are photographed in slow motion—Cybill Shepherd in Taxi Driver; Cathy Moriarty's white bikini in Raging Bull; Sharon Stone's white minidress in Casino.
 * You will see numbers in brackets, like what Lavalizard101 said, after sentences. These are the references to the sources.
 * You may hover your cursor over these numbers, and they will bring you to the links. The information on Scorsese's page comes from these links.
 * Now, if you wish to add information to the page of Xie Fei, you must first find information from internet sources and make sure they are reliable (for the criteria of reliability, please read WP:RS). Then, please use templates such as  to cite your sources in the article. Again, referring back to the example you brought up, the first sentence looks like this in code:
 * If you do not provide your sources, the information you put up will be contested and likely removed. I hope this explanation is detailed enough. Please let me know if you have any further questions.
 * Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 00:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 00:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey @Jingfua and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * First of all, were you editing the article while logged out? The edit on August 14 shows that an IP address made that edit. Second, that section was reverted because it was unsourced. You will need a source for that edit. 🛧 Layah50♪ 🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！  ) 13:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not only is it unsourced but it is also unencyclopedic. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. What do you you mean"You will need a source for that edit. The Theme and Style addition is I wrote by myself. I do no need source for referenc. Thanks Jingfua (talk) 13:45, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * All content on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. Please read the entry I linked above, which will explain it to you. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 13:51, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Original research is not allowed on wikipedia. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

That article, even after reverting the unsourced additions, is still unsourced. The only citations are for two rows in the table of filmography. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * and those return 404 errors! So the article is effectively unsourced. Theroadislong (talk) 22:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleting a User Page Marked Article
I once copied the Herman Armour Webster article to my user page. I no longer need it, and would like to have it deleted from my user page only. If I add the template to my page the system thinks that I want to remove the article from Wikipedia which I do not. Can one of the administrrators help with this?Oldsilenus (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Answered on your talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Table of Contents for Archived Sandbox Pages
I archived my page named sandboxUser:Oldsilenus/sandbox today using the copy and paste method. I did not copy the code at the top of the page which I thought generated the Table of Contents showing Archived pages (There was a prior Archive 1 page). I can search and see the Archived Sandbox 2 page listed but no TOC was generated & the Archived Sandbox page 1 seems to be lost (This is not a big deal). How do I get a TOC on sandbox showing archived pages. Please note that there is a my sandbox page that is totally unnecessary and could be deleted.Oldsilenus (talk) 01:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I answered on your talk page. Let's continue there. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Player Profiles For NBA Players.
Can someone make a Player Profile Heading for each of these NBA Players? Allen Iverson Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving JwillWiki454 (talk) 02:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * , you sound like you may be just the person to make these edits. If you're not feeling comfortable editing the article directly you can start the work in a sandbox page. If you decide to tackle this but feel confused at any point feel free to ping me or post on my talk page. Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 06:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Who decides the candidates for Arbitration Committee elections?
I know that I receive an invitation to vote on who becomes a part of wp:Arbcom every year. I was invited last year, but I did not cast a vote because I had no idea what arbcom even was. Though now I know more about Wikipedia's inner workings, I am still unsure how candidates that appear on the poll are chosen in the first place. Is there are a project page where editors self-nominate? I intend to vote this year so any responses will be appreciated! Ca talk to me! 02:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominations are made by interested editors themselves, however an editor who is not an administrator has never won the election. The project page will be made in due time. Hope this helps, NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 02:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ca to expand, there's a specific time period for self-nominations, which will come after a community discussion on rules for the election, and then choosing the election commissars. Last year, it was the 13th-22nd November. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Making a page about Sid Bishop, Deviants guitarist/songwriter and book author (name used Ian C Bishop
Can I make a page about him? 2601:1C2:1800:B540:C9C7:7F3D:CE17:ECC1 (talk) 07:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP Editor, welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Articles about musicians need to follow the strict Notability (music) requirements. In essence you need to find at a minimum of three sources that are independent of Sid (so not a PR interview), are from a reputable place (such as well known newspaper), and discuss Sid in detail or provide significant coverage.
 * I'd recommend going via the Articles for creation process which will allow your article to be reviewed by an experienced editor, though note there is currently a wait list of 4 months due to a backlog.
 * Let us know if you have any questions!  Qcne  (talk)  08:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, while there are thousands of AfC drafts waiting for a reviewer, the system is not a queue. Reviewers select which they want to review. Thus, could be days, weeks, or sadly months for a review. David notMD (talk) 09:05, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Article creation and publishing
i am trying to find a professional publisher to publish my articles on wikipedia Jojoarticles (talk) 07:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Jojoarticles, and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * Quite simply, DO NOT DO THIS.
 * An article about your company, whoever creates it, will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and will not necessarily say what you want it to say. Almost anybody in the world will be able to edit it, except you and your agents, who are permitted only to request changes
 * Such an article will be based almost entirely on what people with no connection to you have chosen to publish about your company, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. Promotion of any kind is forbidden.
 * It follows that if there has been little or no such independent material published about your company, there is absolutely nothing that can go in an article (the Wikipedia jargon for this is that the company is not notable) and no article will be accepted.
 * Many of the organizations offering to edit Wikipedia for pay are scammers. If they are honest, they will tell you up front that they cannot guarantee that an article on you will be accepted or that it will say what you would like it to say. Why would you choose to pay anybody in those circumstances?
 * Please see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia, and WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, we are trying to contact the publisher Star Mississippi, we require services for publishing an article, our mother company Stillfront lead us to teahouse to acquire more information. please let us know as soon as possible, thank you much appreciated. Jojoarticles (talk) 07:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello. You can contact a user directly via their user talk page, such as User talk:Star Mississippi.  However, you will first need to declare as a paid editor; please see the information I have just placed on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Articles excessively exaggerates the importance of fringe group
The articles on the "World constitutional convention" and "Provisional World Parliment" clearly exaggerates and treats uncritically a fringe group with no public profile and significance, to the point that reading it gives one the impression that it's a serious and important with statements like "The convention and its subsequent developments played a vital role in advancing global governance and world peace." which is just nonsense.

I have no idea how to get someone with authority to either remove the pages or at the very least heavily edit them so it's apparent that this a fringe group of no consequence. 46.162.125.17 (talk) 05:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * For each article, go to the foot of its talk page and make the suggestion there. Or, as there are two articles, choose the most pertinent of the "WikiProjects" whose relevance to the articles is indicated by templates at the top of the articles' talk pages, and comment on that WikiProject's talk page. Be sure to identify the articles precisely (neither World constitutional convention nor Provisional World Parliment exists) and not to encourage discussion on more than one talk page at any one time: simultaneous discussions of the same matter at different places are a waste of participants' time and likely to put those participants in a bad mood. -- Hoary (talk) 05:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * CiaPan (talk) 06:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Concentrating on the Provisional World Parliament, IP editor, you are quite right about the nonsense statement of playing "a vital role in ... world peace"; you don't need to ask anyone, you can simply delete this sentence as it's not supported by any source and is genuinely nonsense. I've left it for the moment, so other editors can see the true state of that article.
 * The difficulty with articles about fringe groups is that we can't just describe them as an irrelevant fringe unless some serious source has written about them, describing them as an irrelevant fringe, and serious sources rarely write about fringes unless they've become relevant for some reason. On the other hand, a tremendous amount of sourcing on the provisional world parliament article is inappropriate; the Times of India ref is sponsored (paid-for) content, some of the sources are defunct blogs and stuff from the organisation itself, there's really very little solid stuff there. This is an article that requires a considerable re-think, possibly even complete deletion and start again. Elemimele (talk) 07:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably the World Constitution Coordinating Committee article could be verified, too. --CiaPan (talk) 08:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've worked on toning down the language a bit for some of the articles here. — Prodraxis {talk • contribs} (she/her) 11:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Matthew Goodwin
Someone anonymous seem to be attempting censorship of use of sources that are critical of Matthew Goodwin from the article about him. Could an experienced editor investigate? 147.188.240.134 (talk) 10:28, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Anonymous person, I'm an experienced editor, but the use of sources that's being censored or otherwise snipped by another anonymous person seems unusually verbose, and more or less based on some Twitter spat. Perhaps you could produce a more concise version based on something more substantial than "social media". Incidentally, I hope that the editing spat doesn't intensify; but if it does, expect semi-protection: No edits by any anonymous person. -- Hoary (talk) 10:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes it's a Twitter spat but that Twitter spat has been reported on by reliable sources that aren't social media. 147.188.240.134 (talk) 10:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just so I know, can you please post the "reliable sources" you're speaking of? — Prodraxis {talk • contribs} (she/her) 11:22, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, here they are: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/white-is-new-black-populism-and-academic-alt-right/, https://leftfootforward.org/2023/07/matt-goodwin-ridiculed-over-bizarre-claim-in-new-video/, https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=isbn:9781138591677, https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/londoners-diary-professors-robert-ford-matthew-goodwin-academic-freedom-b960453.html. 147.188.240.134 (talk) 11:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Material from the article introduction was also removed ("Goodwin's early work was well received but his most recent book, Values, Voice and Virtue, has attracted criticism that he has transformed from being an analyst of populism into a right-wing populist himself."), which was based on a large number of reviews referenced in the Matthew_Goodwin section, including newspaper sources. 147.188.240.134 (talk) 11:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Why hardblock proxies
I'm a bit confused. It is not hard for admins to deal with disruption when a registered user edits through a proxy. By creating an account, users that have a valid need of using proxies can request for unblock more conveniently. Integer Sequences (talk &#124; contribs) 02:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Proxies are often hard blocked because long-term abusers and vandals have been using proxies to evade blocks in the past and it would simply cause too much disruption when these proxies are unblocked due to the risk of abuse by vandals. — Prodraxis {talk • contribs} (she/her) 11:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is hard to deal with disruption from hundreds of sockpuppet accounts on proxies. Hard may not be the right word, but it is usually disruptive. -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

From AN/I: An IP user needs assistance to access the content of a deleted page
Hello Teahouse,

I was browsing AN/I and I came across a request given in the courtesy link above. This request is from an IP user 129.194.85.132. Their request is to access the text of a deleted page on enwiki: Шталаг XVIII-D.

I believe their request is best for the teahouse, so I am putting it here for them. Can some admin please assist them?

Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Just as a point of information (because this seems to be an area that's unclear to many users, myself included), the preferred way to request administrator assistance is to add Admin help, followed by a description of your request, to your user talk page.  See also WP:Requests for administrator attention. Fabrickator (talk) 18:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! This is super helpful. I learned something new today. TheLonelyPather (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment - I've restored the article in the user space of the editor that created the article which hopefully resolves the request, since the editor was also asking about this, and have communicated this to both the IP and the editor. - Aoidh (talk) 12:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Getting a new library database included on the Book sources page?
There is no search option for books in Maine, USA on the Book Sources page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources?isbn=Special%3ABookSources%3Fuselang%3Dqqx#Find_on_Wikipedia. Not sure who to ask, but can we change this? Pwilliams47 (talk) 13:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I've been told to come here to find out how to phrase what the evidence shows ?
No, I don't understand it either Grabyrdy (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Pinging @Asparagusus, the AfC reviewer of the article. Your draft was declined due to its poor formatting and claims that were contradicted by the sources. There are also many peacock words in the text, which makes it seem like an essay.
 * For assistance with formatting, see WP:REF, and with phrasing your conclusions better, see WP:NPOV.
 * Regards, ContributeToTheWiki (talk &#8226; contribs) 20:39, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Grabyrdy! I sent you here to ask about how to phrase statements in a neutral point of view and formatting. Thanks ContributeToTheWiki. Asparagusus   (interaction)  20:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Grabyrdy This person may well meet our Notability Criteria but, right now, what you've presented us with is a complete mess. Your draft is not really very legible, and definitely not of a standard required for an encyclopaedia article. Please work on your draft and compare it to existing articles to see how they differ. Avoid your own personal opinions, and summarise only what other, Reliable Sources have stated about this person. You must use 'inline citations' to published sources which support each factual statement you add. Personal essays are not an acceptable format here, I'm afraid. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Grabyrdy there is already an article on the subject here: Tommaso Bai. -- asilvering (talk) 00:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Given the existing article, consider abandoning your draft and contributing to the existing article. David notMD (talk) 02:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow ! Firstly, "peacock words" (how cute). None of the favourable opinions of the subject are my own - they reflect what the sources show were the opinions of the subject's contemporaries. Can't get more neutral than that, I think.
 * I accept there's lots of errors in formatting. I'm not very good at that, which is why I asked for help in the note I attached, which appears not to have been read. But I'm not going to waste my time correcting that when it seems you guys are incapable of distinguishing what are conclusions drawn from evidence cited and what are personal opinions. There are NO personal opinions in my entry. At all.
 * During my discussion with Asparagus I compared mine to the present entry on Bai, which is full of unsubstantiated claims and errors, based on sources over a century old and badly written. That's why I suggested a whole new article was the way to go. If you're happy with what's there, I'm clearly wasting my time here.
 * Over and out. Grabyrdy (talk) 10:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The first issue you are having here is that "conclusions drawn from evidence" is not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia's aim is to summarise what existing scholarship says about a topic, not to draw novel conclusions, no matter how well supported.  If there are reliable sources which support the claim, for instance, that Bai was born in or before 1638, the correct thing to do is edit the existing article Tommaso Bai, citing those sources.  If the consensus of reliable sources is that Bai was born c.1650, then for Wikipedia's purposes Bai was born c.1650 until scholarship decides otherwise.
 * The second issue is that the articles for creation process is for articles which do not currently exist. As there is already an article on Bai, it doesn't matter how flawed it is, trying to create a new article is not the solution and is just going to cause more problems.  You need to edit the existing article.  If the article really is irredeemably flawed, that can include completely re-writing it from scratch, but you should still be working on the existing article Tommaso Bai.  You shouldn't be submitting a draft article to AfC: creating a new article when there is an existing one is a content fork, which is discouraged.  If you were to create a new separate article on Bai, it would either have to be deleted (there is a  deletion criterion specifically for this), or redirected/merged to the existing article. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The second issue is that the articles for creation process is for articles which do not currently exist. As there is already an article on Bai, it doesn't matter how flawed it is, trying to create a new article is not the solution and is just going to cause more problems.  You need to edit the existing article.  If the article really is irredeemably flawed, that can include completely re-writing it from scratch, but you should still be working on the existing article Tommaso Bai.  You shouldn't be submitting a draft article to AfC: creating a new article when there is an existing one is a content fork, which is discouraged.  If you were to create a new separate article on Bai, it would either have to be deleted (there is a  deletion criterion specifically for this), or redirected/merged to the existing article. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Terminology question: adopted step-sister or adopted sister?
This may be a dumb question, but I want to improve this article so I'm being something of a pedant.

There's a specific article about a crime case involving an incident where a man murdered his younger sister due to her race. I'm curious as how to refer to their relationship: early press refers to her as being his adopted step-sister while later more comprehensive coverage simply refers to her as his sister/adopted sister. They were raised together the majority of their lives by the same parents (as the murderer's biological mother killed herself he was raised by his sister's adopted mother, and his biological father raised them both. adopted half step-siblings? bit of a mouthful). Since the sister's identity is relevant to the crime (she was Asian, her brother was a Neo-Nazi) I feel like being accurate to the specifics of their relationship is important. Which one should I use? The article as is uses adopted step-sister (though the one in the native language of the country the crime occurred in uses adopted sister). PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Adopted step-sister makes it clearer what the relationship is in English. How other languages refer to it, especially if less precise, isn't relevant. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough on that logic. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The following might help. A man (call him Alfie) has a daughter (Betty). Alfie becomes divorced or widowed, and then marries Caroline. She already has a daughter, Dolly. Betty and Dolly are then step-sisters. Alfie and Caroline then have a daughter together, Erica. So now Erica is a half-sister to each of Betty and Dolly. Not wishing to stop at three, Alfie and Caroline now go through a legal process of adopting Fiona. Fiona then becomes the adopted sister of each of the other three. (Are you following this so far?)


 * It's also possible that Alfie will legally adopt Dolly, or that Caroline will legally adopt Betty. In that case, you might conceivably refer to Betty and Dolly has adopted step-sisters, but that would be unusual terminology (at least, in English). The fact of the adoption won't change their status as step-sisters.


 * To summarise: half-siblings have one biological parent in common; step-siblings have no biological parents in common; adopted siblings have no biological parents in common but have been the subject of a legal process.


 * Finally, the fact that "they were raised together the majority of their lives by the same parents" has nothing to do with it. Mike Marchmont (talk) 13:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Information about an editor
How can I find out more about the background of an editor who has commented on a draft article I've written -- in particular, his background in the subject area? Johsebb (talk) 20:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Johsebb, welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Often, Wikipedia volunteers add userboxes to their User Page which can include information on their editing interests, educational background, etc. You could also ask them on their User Talk page? The editor has no compulsion to answer, however.  Qcne  (talk)  21:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello,  Please be aware that Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, as long as they comply with our policies and guidelines. And we mean that literally. A 15 year old who follows our policies and guidelines deserves more respect on Wikipedia than a PhD professor at a world famous university who does not comply with our policies and guidelines. Accordingly, it is inappropriate  to inquire about any editors "background". After all, who knows anything about your background? You do not even have a userpage, and even if you did, you could be lying. So, forget about backgrounds, and focus instead on complying with policies and guidelines. That is literally all that matters on Wikipedia.  Cullen328 (talk) 08:20, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments.
 * I had tagged my draft with two WikiProjects, namely Mathematics and Statistics, and expected (and hoped) that the editor would be associated with one or the other. I mean no disrespect in saying that this doesn't appear to be the case.  Is this typical? Johsebb (talk) 01:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Johsebb, it's possible that there is overlap between members of those WikiProjects and Articles for Creation reviewers, but not necessarily. Reviewers are free to review any submission they like; sometimes they may pick a draft which corresponds to their own interests and/or background, but not necessarily. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:36, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Review Process
I have two queries:


 * 1) I have created a document in my sandbox, and by default it has this title: "User:EtherealOwl/sandbox". This is not an appropriate title for my document. How to update it?
 * 2) After I submit the draft for review, how long will it take?

EtherealOwl (talk) 07:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will shortly move your sandbox contents to Draft space with a more appropriate title(the exact title is not important until the draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia).  You will then just need to click the Submit button on the screen- however, your draft is completely unsourced and would be declined quickly.  Any article about this person needs to summarize what independent reliable sources say about them, and all substantive facts about a living person must be sourced per the Biographies of Living Persons policy. For more information about referencing, see Referencing for Beginners. 331dot (talk) 08:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to Draft:Mohsin Qureshi. As for a timeframe, there is currently a large backlog of drafts awaiting review, well over 4,000.  The expected timeframe is several months, though it depends on how quickly a volunteer reviewer chooses to review it.  It could theoretically occur in the five minutes after you submit it, but that is not very likely. 331dot (talk) 08:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Totally unsourced so pretty easy to decline within minutes. Theroadislong (talk) 08:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For a biography of a living person, all factual statements need to be verified by references. See above for useful links. I recommend creating refs in your Sandbox, and only when formatted correctly copy/pasting into the draft. David notMD (talk) 09:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition, I suggest reading WP:BACKWARD and WP:42. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Editing A Description
Hello. I just received a message that my recent edit was not constructive. The addition to the post was 100% accurate and provided more info than the original. How do I know what was not constructive? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Visentin BDPI (talk) 15:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * This edit ? Basically you were writing an unsourced ad. Use social media for that, it's not what Wikipedia is for. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As added to your Talk page, you deleted referenced content and added unreferenced, not neutral-point-of-view content, with hyperlinks, which are not allowed. David notMD (talk) 17:26, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Found an article that looks quite promotional.
This article looks suspiciously promotional... Aspect Ventures 2607:FB91:882F:9554:AD4:1551:80E9:65EF (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP editor.
 * You've marked this for speedy deletion a few times, but speedy deletion has been declined three times. Try requesting a deletion via WP:PROD or WP:AFD instead.
 * I don't think the article reads as particularly promotional, but I think it could probably be merged into the founder's articles instead.  Qcne  (talk)  17:35, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Bade Miyan Chote Miyan 2023
help me to improve and publish this article Incognitopublisher (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Incognitopublisher. For some reason you removed the reviewer's reason from the decline notice. Please do not do that. I have re-added it.
 * In any case, your article has been submitted for review so you now have to wait for it to be reviewed by a volunteer: this may take up to four months.  Qcne  (talk)  16:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you Incognitopublisher (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The decline reason for Draft:Bade Miyan Chote Miyan 2023 was WP:TOOSOON, meaning the reviewer is of the opinion tha the movie does not warrant an article until after it is in theaters (2024) and published reviews are available as references. Expect the resubmittal to be declined for the same reasons. In the meantime you can add a Plot section. David notMD (talk) 17:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

to reinstate the blocked account under user:AmeTefTes
Dear sirs, i erroneously reverted my discussion on the theory of profit commission agent banking system .so can you unblock my accoutnt under user name:AmeTefTes and let me continue my discussion. thanks in advance for your cooperation. Ameha Tefera(DBL) 196.189.147.150 (talk) 16:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Ameha,
 * Wikipedia, including your User Page, is not to be used as a webhost to post your own original research or theories. That is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia.  Qcne  (talk)  16:57, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What you created at User:AmeTefTes was Speedy Deleted back in August 2022, but there is no evidence that this account was blocked. You should be able to log into that account, and if you wish, create a draft via WP:YFA on a topic of your choice. The SD was because you were creating article-like content on your User page. See WP:UP for what does and does not go on a User page. David notMD (talk) 17:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not have 'discussions', nor does it have original research. It has articles with content verified by reliable source published references. David notMD (talk) 17:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Wrong link
Hi,

An entry on Wikipedia links to the wrong bio (on another Wiki page).

How can I fix this?

Thank you Baribun (talk) 21:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @ and welcome to the TeaHouse please can you provide a link to the Wikipedia page you are talking about so I have more information. Shadow 345110   (talk)  22:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It is:
 * Supreme Court of Queensland Baribun (talk) 22:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @ Please can you tell me where or what the wrong link is. Shadow 345110   (talk)  22:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you.
 * if you go to the drop down section entitled, Composition. There you will see a table with a list of current judges.
 * Go to the entry for Martin Burns please.
 * if you click on that name, it links to a bio about a long-deceased American wrestler!
 * I need to either delete that link entirely or replace it with this link to the judge’s official bio -
 * https://www.sclqld.org.au/judicial-papers/judicial-profiles/profiles/mburns
 * Thank you! Baribun (talk) 22:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have changed two wrong links to become red links. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Baribun (talk) 22:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @ Thanks for your help. Shadow 345110   (talk)  22:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Making a different image the "hover-over" image?
Hi! Is it possible to choose a different image than the first one in an article as the one that appears when you hover over the Wiki link.

Thanks, Madeleinehales (talk) 09:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC) :)


 * @Madeleinehales Do you mean what we call the WP:LEADIMAGE, top right image at for example articles like Daniel Craig? Those can be changed, but it's not a personal setting, if that's what you meant. It is possible to change the image by changing the article, but there are some rather strict rules involved. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean the specific case when there's a template in the lead, but the template does not contain a good photograph for the article. For example, for the COLLAPS article I have put the template further down because if I use it at the top, it will set the lead photo to the ISOLDE logo. Is there a way to avoid this?
 * Madeleinehales (talk) 11:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a little-used method, and I'm just going to mention it so you can check the documentation and consider making a request as appropriate: MediaWiki:Pageimages-denylist. -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will look into it :)
 * Madeleinehales (talk) 12:27, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your post is apparently about a now removed image in ISOLDE (collapsed). See mw:Extension:PageImages for a more recent feature than the rarely used MediaWiki:Pageimages-denylist. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

How to create a small one to many encyclopaedia?
I hope this is the right place to ask for advice about this question. If not, i beg you to pardon me.

I would like to create a relatively small encyclopaedia about Berlin and its history (on which subject I contributed to it.wikipedia). I had thought, that I could use MediaWike and ask Miraheze to host my project - but it would be like using an atomic bomb to kill a fly.

What would be your advice? WordPress has (I think) some tools that could be used to make short chapters, each with a title, with internal and external links, footnotes and a list of references (there is even a plugin that would allow to use Zotero). Nevertheless I'm not really convinced - among other reasons, because I would prefer a less "imperial" or monopolistic approach to the use of the Web.

Could anybody suggest some peaces of software and some hosting services that I could explore and see if they are adapted, both technically and morally?

I repeat: if this is the wrong place to ask this question, I beg your pardon. Piero Caracciolo (talk) 22:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Piero Caracciolo - you would be correct in saying that this is the incorrect place to ask - the teahouse is for questions specifically about Wikipedia, and you're looking for the WP:Reference desk. However, since you're here already, might as well help you here, right? You can set up MediaWiki on a server that you own, if you're the technical type to self host, or you could look into hosting services to host your own website with the MediaWiki software. That would probably be your best course of action - I would note that the creator of Miraheze is banned from Wikipedia. You can also see WP:Alternative outlets for more information on where this encyclopaedia might be hosted. casualdejekyll  23:01, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

ruth handler
https://www.google.com/search?q=ruth+handler+date+of+birth&rlz=1CAEZTK_enNZ1044&oq=ruth+handler+date+of+birth&aqs=chrome..69i57.8116j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on

ruth handler 122.56.74.25 (talk) 21:57, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have a question or request? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @ I clicked on the link and it is just the creator of Barbie. I dont know what this ip address wants. Shadow 345110   (talk)  22:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * in case this is about the article, which already includes the birth date. RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Terence Crawford
I want to upload a picture of Terence Crawford, but copyright so what can I do then? JNOJ1423 (talk) 23:29, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you attend one of this boxers fights, then you can take a photo yourself. Or, you can contact his team and ask if someone would be willing to take a photo and upload it to Wikimedia Commons under an acceptable free license. Cullen328 (talk) 23:39, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * oh ok, thanks JNOJ1423 (talk) 23:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

How to make times in edit summaries display in 12-hour time
I'm used to reading things in 12-hour time, and I just found out how to change timestamps to my local timezone, but is there a way that I can convert it to say "AM" or "PM"? LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 00:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought this might be in user preferences, but I don't see a setting for 12 vs 24 hour time. There is a setting for your local timezone, however, under "appearance".
 * Other than people in the United States who have never been in the military, the rest of the world understands 24 hour time quite well. As a US person myself, I personally don't see the need for AM/PM and I dropped using it 40 years ago. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * that makes you at least 55 years old. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup, my German grandfather gave me a digital watch for my birthday in my early teens, and of course being from Germany, it displayed only 24 hour-time. And that's what I, as an American, use in my personal and business life, which was reinforced during my civilian stint working for the US Department of Defense. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What is your point? We have editors of all ages, for example, teahouse host Cullen328 is 71 according to his userpage. I am also aware of some teenage editors as well, but for sake of privacy I am not going to mention any. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  21:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am a 71 year old American and use 12 hour a.m - p.m. time in my everyday and business life. But I have no problem with 24 hour UTC time. It is a constant reminder that Wikipedia is a worldwide project, and I always know what time it is in London. When I was young, something very similar was called Greenwich Mean Time. Cullen328 (talk) 22:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * (i'm canadian :Þ) LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 00:59, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Even better. Both formats are in common use in Canada (more so than the US) according to File:12 24 Hours World Map.svg.
 * That said, I do find it curious that there isn't a user setting for this. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you really want a quick and non-technical solution, subtract the hour by two and (most of the time) ignore the tens digit. For 22:00 and 23:00 Ive just kinda memorized as I cant really think of a fast way other then just subtracting by twelve (but that's icky and too much for my brain). ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  03:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're willing to use a browser extension like TamperMonkey, then a userscript might help. I just made one that works on 'View History' pages but not on user signatures if that's of interest to you. Closhund  /talk/  22:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Can you please check if this wiki page is okay, looking for some feedback?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pjanvi1008/sandbox Pjanvi1008 (talk) 18:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's reasonably well written and concise.
 * The first few citations provide only trivial mentions but are useful for verification of assertions made in the article. The SVG source is ridiculously promotional when translated to English and isn't even useful as a WP:PRIMARY source to verify statements of fact (we prefer secondary sources). The last three sources are more about a court case than they are about the article subject. I am not seeing any sources you included that would cause the subject to meet WP:GNG or Notability (people) inclusion criteria. There might be an argument to be made that he passes WP:ACADEMIC since he is considered a teacher, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:18, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Changing wiki page title to italics
Quick question.

I've created several wiki pages for publications, one of which is a stub for Malayan Monitor. How do I change the page title into italics? Do I need to find an admin to help me? The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 02:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You should be able to use Italic title for that. Place that at the top of the article, and it will change the title to italics.  There's more detail in the template documentation. RudolfRed (talk) 04:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thankyou very much, you're awesome. It worked. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 04:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Photograph
Is there anywhere where I can find notable and good pictures (of people, places) that arent copyrighed or are in the public domain? 6thseries (talk) 19:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The easiest way to obtain an image in terms of copyright is to take the image yourself. Is there something in particular you are seeking an image of? 331dot (talk) 19:23, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If i get permission from a copyrighted source, how do i mention that i have permission to use it? 6thseries (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You can't do it like that; Copyright law is very complicated. In order for a copyrighted image to be used on Wikipedia 'with permission', the copyright owner themself has to fill in a specific legal permission form and send it to Wikipedia: this requires them to explicitly allow any use of the picture by anyone in the world for any purpose (including commercial) so long as the copyright holder is acknowledged. Few copyright holders are willing to either (a) allow such unlimited use and/or (b) go through the required legal hoops. Note that for most photographs, paintings, etc, the copyright usually remains with the photographer/artist (or their heirs) for typically 95 years, regardless of who first published the photo, bought a print of it, bought the painting, etc. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 22:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The IP editor above is right that it probably won't happen. It's inconvenient and particular. But if you wanted to try, further guidance can be found here: WP:Requesting copyright permission Closhund  /talk/  04:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are looking for images you can use on Wikipedia, Creative Commons lists a number of sources with appropriate licenses. A rich source of UK places not listed there this is Geograph. Shantavira|feed me 19:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Pinging etiquette and talk pages
If someone posts on my talk page, and I reply, they don't get pinged, right? The bell with red numbering, not the tray with blue numbering. If so, then say an admin posts on my talk page. Should I them every single time I respond? I have seen admins specify they only react to their pings, but I also don't want to ping unnecessarily. Closhund /talk/  04:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Closhund: I believe for new users they're automatically subscribed to discussions they've participated in. You can choose to opt in by ensuring  and  Automatically subscribe to topics are checked. If you want to make sure someone sees your comment (unless they've chosen to refuse to receive notifications from you), definitely ping them. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Best way to get edits done to a page about you yourself
Greetings - I am asking this question on behalf of Bunyan Bryant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunyan_Bryant). Neither of us know anything about editing Wikipedia pages, although I have done some reading about it. As I understand, neither Professor Bryant, as the subject, nor I, as someone who works for him, should edit his page. So, what is the best way to see that edits are done?

Professor Bryant published his memoir last year (https://www.rivertownsbooks.com/book-page/bryant-educator-and-activist), and that should be added to his page. There are also inaccuracies in the "Early Life" section (it's actually quite a muddle), so out of curiosity I clicked on the first reference and found that it links to the website of the New England Carnivorous Plant Society! LOL, why? And while reference 4 does say what it is cited for in Professor Bryant's wikipedia page, it is not really accurate. After obtaining his Ph.D. in Education, he was planning on becoming an educational consultant when he was recruited by the School of Natural Resources to start the Environmental Advocacy Program. While he was committed to and active in civil rights actions, it is misleading to say "his goal was to focus on civil rights." And yes, he did initially think he would stay for only a year or so at SEAS, but he ended up spending his entire 40-year academic career there. The description of his involvement with the Black Action Movement needs to be cleaned up, too. For one thing, his housing case (in 1965, well before he joined SEAS) was pursued in collaboration with CORE, not BAM.

Anyway, what is your advice for getting a listing for his memoir added and correcting inaccuracies on the page? Thank you for your help! Wikipedia is a frequent resource for me, and I appreciate the volunteerism that fuels it. - Janet Max (JEMMwiki) JEMMwiki (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Thanks for asking about this and being clear about your connection to Bryant. The guidance you're looking for is available at Simple conflict of interest edit request. You may also like to read Conflict of interest. The New England Carnivorous Plant Society issue appears to be because the link in that reference now redirects to the NECPS website - presumably it didn't when it was first added! I'll try to fix that shortly. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I tried to replace the link for that reference with one to the Internet Archive, but it appears that the original wasn't archived. I've marked the link as dead for now. Ideally, a replacement reference would be found. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @JEMMwiki The reference to a pdf about him being childless by choice is also a dead link. Maybe the Wayback Machine can supply a live reference you could use. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @JEMMwiki, if you or Bryant can show editors where to find this information (or... the correct information) online currently, that would be a big help! -- asilvering (talk) 22:43, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added an archive link for that URL. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of promo userpage
Can someone assist with User:Robert p Griffin (promo/spam)? As an IP user I'm unable flag it for csd. Thanks in advance. —2406:3003:2077:1E60:ACCA:9BE:7071:C8C2 (talk) 07:43, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Tagged! Tails   Wx  (they/them) ⚧ 07:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Solar System
Is the WikiProject Solar System inactive?

If so, is there a group I can join, having an interest in maintaining Solar System posts? Lindyjanice1971 (talk) 04:13, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't think WP:WikiProject Solar System is active currently. All of the posts on its talk page have not been responded to, and they are not from the WikiProject's members. I think you will have better luck in WikiProject Astronomy. Ca talk to me! 05:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thx Ca I'll look at Astronomy Lindyjanice1971 (talk) 06:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * how to adjust the status message for WP:Wikipedia Solar System to Inactive? Lindyjanice1971 (talk) 07:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ok first dumb question. In WikiProject Astronomy/Members it says "To join, you can add your name to the list below." but I can't see how to do that. So how, please? Lindyjanice1971 (talk) 07:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lindyjanice1971 The statement is referring to WikiProject Astronomy/Members (which is just below the "user boxes" section) and I think you can just add your username to the "active" section. Jolly1253 (talk) 08:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Seeking Feedback for Article
Hello,

I am a long time user but am very new to editing Wikipedia. I am located somewhat near the Sharpner's Pond Anti-Ballistic Missile Site and decided to effectively fully rewrite the article for the location as it was a stub filled with inaccurate information and dead links. I also did some photography at the site to add to the article. I am pleased with the article but would love some feedback. I am new to editing and still a novice as to using the wiki editor.

Feel free to edit the page or leave me some feedback! Explore9021 (talk) 17:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I think the main problem at the moment is the fact that it never was a missile site, just an abandoned construction site, so the title is misleading. Also I think you will struggle to establish sufficient notability for this location. Shantavira|feed me 08:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

What happened to the "Skip to bottom" button?
Up to a couple of days ago, there was a button at the top of the Teashop page, labelled something like "Skip to bottom". I don't recall the exact wording, but - as the name suggests - it took you straight to the most recent topic on the page. As a frequent Teashop lurker, I found this useful.

But the button seems to have disappeared. Now, this is not in any way a serious problem, so please don't spend any time in replying. It's just that I am curious as to why a moderately useful feature was removed. Or am I simply looking in the wrong place? Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:28, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I see little up and down arrows in the bottom right corner of my browser which skips to top or bottom- do they appear for you? I'm on the new theme.  Qcne  (talk)  16:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mike Marchmont Yes, it was labelled as "To read the newest questions, skip to bottom" as seen in this old revision of the header prior to changes made today for unknown reasons. My assumption is that the up and down arrows button already does the same thing hence no point repeating.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your replies, @Paper9olt and @MQcne. I must admit I didn't notice those up and down arrows. But I can see how these are more useful that the "Skip to bottom" button, if only because they are visible throughout the page. Mike Marchmont (talk) 09:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

completely useless question, as opposed to a mostly useless one
is there any concrete rule about having to close conversations in boards like ani, or is it just done whenever a discussion is dealt with, has gone out of hand or whatever else? cogsan •  (give me attention)  •  (see my deeds)  11:52, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Noticeboard conversations are closed whenever a person who feels themselves sufficiently experienced to close the conversation and further feels the conversation has run its course, decides to close. Some closes are unnecessary; some are improper. Some conversations are left unclosed and are archived without resolution. Sometimes this is fine; other times it's undesirable.There are definitely no concrete rules, but it's generally not helpful to try to clerk noticeboards until you have a lot of experience with them, and editors who are overeager in that regard will often find a discreet message on their talkpage to leave that kind of task to more experienced people. Folly Mox (talk) 12:10, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Defining a child actor on their article as a "child actor"
I have seen some articles about 'child' or 'teen' actors defining them as such, e.g.

"John Doe (born Month X, XXXX) is an American teen actor."

I don't think we should do that as we don't do it with adult notable people, including actors, but maybe I am wrong and it is allowed.

So, is it allowed or not?

This is a question asked out of curiosity for me to have as Wikipedia-oriented knowledge. GrafiXal (talk) 20:51, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@ Welcome to the TeaHouse. I understand where you are coming from I do not know enough to properly answer this question but in my opinion I dont think it really matters. @ @ Do any of you have an answer that might help. Shadow 345110  (talk)  21:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it's OK. Depending on age and place, children are required to attend school and cannot be full time actors. They may pursue another career as adults. Many struggling actors have other jobs to pay the bills but that's another issue. Also, part of the being a child actor is that you play a child. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok that makes more sense thank you it makes me understand now. @ It does matter as explained above. Thank you again @. Shadow 345110   (talk)  22:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * We should call a person a "child actor" only if reliable sources consistently use that term when discussing that person. As for education, it is commonplace that successful child actors will have tutors while working on movie or TV sets. Cullen328 (talk) 23:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I get it now! Thanks y'all for the answers!
 * tags: @PrimeHunter @Cullen328 GrafiXal (talk) 14:05, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Is this/should this be considered a BLP?
Hello!

I recently opened a deletion discussion about Joro the Paver, which I believe is a BLP because his crimes were recent enough for him to not be assumed dead, and I think it doesn't meet WP:NBIO, however, User:Necrothesp claimed that this is not a BLP, because of his anonymity. (Sorry if I am misinterpreting what saying)  Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 14:18, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To quote WP:BLP: Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. What, the privacy of someone whose identity we don't even know and cannot know? This is completely missing the point of BLP, which is to handle obvious sensitivities around living persons. This article is about the crime, which may or may not have been committed by an individual who was later released through lack of evidence (but who was identified in the media). It is not about any specific individual. Are we also going to label Jack the Stripper a BLP because the culprit may still be alive? This is taking things too far. Articles on unsolved crimes clearly do not fall under BLP just because the perpetrator may possibly still be alive. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:25, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Illegal recruitment
Hello, I've created a draft about a subject that is mentioned above, can you teach me how a draft will be finally approved? David Madbellics (talk) 14:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @David Madbellics, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid your draft has been declined. You have not demonstrated that this subject is notable; your only source is a dictionary definition. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - much more information is required. It might help to read NOTDICTIONARY and Help:Your first article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * okay,thanks in helping me David Madbellics (talk) 14:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Link to social medias
Hey i wanted to know that does wiki allows to mention personalities link to social media accounts, i think it should be there and allowed. Right? Bluedotservices (talk) 14:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia allows for 1 (and only 1) link to an official site. (see WP:ELMINOFFICIAL) When there is a web site to link to, we link that rather than a social media account. MrOllie (talk) 14:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, Wikipedia does allow limited use of verified social media accounts as citations for the purposes of direct quotes and claims made about oneself. These should be very limited in use, and one should not shoehorn the use of these where the main purpose is to link the media account; however for things like self-reported information that is useful in the article (such as one's birthdate or the like), sometimes citations to twitter or facebook could be used as an inline citation.  -- Jayron 32 14:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Additional eyeballs requested: possible hoax
I'm not completely sure, but it looks like Draft:Markus's Secret Club and Draft:List of Markus's Secret Club episodes might be an attempt at an elaborate hoax. For the latter page, note that and  contain more content that has been subsequently removed.

There is reason to suspect that AI may be used to generate text, because Earwig finds snippets that could have been extracted from actual TV listings: rev. 1170590342, rev. 1170666870

Can someone more experienced please take a look? Thanks! —2406:3003:2077:1E60:5BFF:E3BA:A88D:95 (talk) 14:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've tagged both of them for speedy deletion as blatant hoaxes, thank you for the heads up. Theroadislong (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ deleted them both. -- Jayron 32 14:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Reference linking to paid services
Hello,

I am trying to fill the bare url on Poom, and it is a link to a paid translation service, Veqta, in which it is being used to reference the Estonian surname "poom" as "boom." When I encounter these types of references, what should I do? I'm not sure if this is acceptable, because paywalled services are allowed on Wiki, but this isn't exactly something you can just subscribe to.

Thanks. EatingCarBatteries (talk) 14:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree that that is not a satisfactory link (it's not even to an entry on that site, but just to the Veqta site), so I've removed it, and the claimed meaning. If somebody can find a reliable source for the meaning of the name (not just of an Estonian word that happens to be the same as the name) they're welcome to add it back. ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Correcting my ping to . --ColinFine (talk) 15:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Image translation issue
Hi, I've translated an image (originally English), but now I cannot add it to this page and reference the original. Could you help me? DanaeBonem (talk) 16:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, DanaeBonem, and welcome to the Teahouse. What image? What page? What are you trying to do?
 * What precisely do you mean by "I cannot add it to this page"? Do you mean that you don't know how to? That you have tried and something has gone wrong?
 * Please ask your question more clearly. ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

draft and wikidata
I just created a new page, I mean the draft of the page.

I know that, for wikipedia pages in several langages, there is one wikidata page.

The wikidata page for my draft doesn't exist because there is, currently, no page on any wikipedia.

So my question is : should I create the wikidata page, now even if it is a draft on wikipedia, or later when the draft will be validated, or will the wikidata page be created automatically ? Yunan973 (talk) 16:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Yunan973, I'm not able to answer your question completely, and still hope someone knowledgeable about Wikidata will be able to respond before your question is archived. I can provide a partial answer: you don't have to wait until Draft:Kabo District is approved as a Wikipedia article before creating a Wikidata item. I did check all the Wikidata items titled "Kabo", and none seem to refer to the district within Sangha Department (Republic of the Congo). I do not know if the Wikidata item will be created without any action on your part.As an aside, I can't read French, but is there any other information in the source you've cited in the draft that might be appropriate to incorporate into the draft? As it stands the draft feels a bit empty. Folly Mox (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks, so I will create the wikidata. The draft is almost empty but like most of the districts of Sangha Department (Republic of the Congo) (see districts 4 or 5 for example). But currently this draft just has been rejected (because of emptyness). I will see if I find out other usefull informations. Yunan973 (talk) 18:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Missing information about life in article ,,Dadvan Yousuf"
The person is very well known in Switzerland, there should be more information about his early life. I found a lot on google right off the bat. Also an autobiography. But can not edit the page itself because protected and also do not have the experience.

If someone has time and understands German - bon chance! 94.199.126.54 (talk) 14:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. All articles have talk pages - that is the place to discuss improvements to the article. Talk:Dadvan Yousuf is not protected, so you can make a post there with your suggestion, and adding some links to the most reliable and informative sources you could find would probably be helpful. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi IP editor. I have worked a lot on that page. Let me know on the Talk Page if you can think of any additions.  Qcne  (talk)  16:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Here you can find quite a lot of information about life for help:
 * https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/17220485/bitcoin-crypto-young-sold-toys-millionaire-dadvan-yousuf/amp/
 * https://www.nzz.ch/english/kurdish-refugee-buys-bitcoins-as-child-is-now-multimillionaire-ld.1634923 JunkerMan2 (talk) 18:13, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The Sun is not a reliable source, sorry. The NZZ interview doesn't seem to have anything extra to add to Dadvan's life. Is there something specific you want changed in the article?  Qcne  (talk)  18:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thought that the Wiki article says almost nothing about his life or how he grew up - in the NZZ article everything is described very precisely.
 * But if the Wiki article is right for you, you don't have to add anything or make changes at all.
 * I agree with you on Sun but there are not really a lot of english articles - most are in german. 195.132.212.135 (talk) 18:35, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Feels like the article is a little lean with all the information about his life out there JunkerMan2 (talk) 18:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Asianet serials with telecast dates from 1993 to 2000
Please find out Asianet serials from 1993 to 2000 Aspolas (talk) 18:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome. The Teahouse is for asking question about using Wikipedia.  General knowledge questions like this can be asked at the reference desk (WP:RDE), but you may need to clarify what you are asking for.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:51, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Editing a college wikipedia
i have been asked to edit the wikipedia of a college page, i will not be doing the writing but the editing on the wiki. What is the best way to disclose this on my account = I am a consultant editing the copy from the university" or something like that.

Is there a limit to how much editing i can do, or is this fine as long as i disclose the information

any adivce as to best tutorials to look at ?

thanks ! HPAUPIN (talk) 17:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @HPAUPIN, welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Are you connected professionally to the College? Then you need to declare Conflict of interest. Follow that link for more information: usually you would copy the COI declaration template to your user page and potentially the article talk page.
 * If you're paid in any way, you also must declare this separately: see Paid-contribution disclosure.
 * Let us know if you run into any issues.  Qcne  (talk)  18:05, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, HPAUPIN. Please remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the college says or wants to say about itself, but only in what independent sources have published about it.
 * In any case, you should not edit the article directly, but should make edit requests on the talk page (see that link for how to do so). ColinFine (talk) 18:52, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , you say that you will not be doing the writing. You cannot add content written by anyone else because that would be a copyright violation. The actual author must freely license their work in writing. This is a legal procedure that must be carried out correctly. Please have the author read Donating copyrighted materials and follow those procedures. Cullen328 (talk) 19:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Citation method
Hello. I'm reviewing a good article nomination and I'm having trouble deciding whether the current citation method is appropriate. I already read MOS:REFERENCES and from my understanding a citation and bibliography section can coexist, right? The article in question is unus testis, nullus testis, if someone could please quickly check I would appreciate. Many thanks. SpaceEconomist192 ✐  20:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @SpaceEconomist192, the citation method is fine. See Help:Shortened footnotes. The section called Bibliography is a subsection of the references section and is one way of giving a label to the works cited, "Works cited" is another. There are other ways. See Ronald Reagan for a complex example. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Many thanks. SpaceEconomist192  ✐  21:03, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Can I please have help editing the touhou 19 article the owner abandoned it
need help finishing a page Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Byakuren Hijiri. Could you link the article in question?
 * Please remember no Wikipedia articles have 'owners'; anyone can edit them and contribute. See Ownership of content.  Qcne  (talk)  11:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Unfinished_Dream_of_All_Living_Ghost&oldid=prev&diff=1170615290 Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That draft has been declined, have you read the decline notice posted on the page? The creator of the draft, @XiTieShiZ, has not necessarily abandoned it though?  Qcne  (talk)  12:28, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * well he last edited it on aug the 3rd tell the lazy bum to get his butt back here and finish the job its the 16th bruh :( Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, let's remember to stay civil. We're all volunteers here and real life often gets in the way. Why don't you have a go at expanding the article yourself?  Qcne  (talk)  21:20, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if I made a mistake in editing, please help me.
I made an edit on the tharosaurus page on wikipedia by adding a restoration because most of the restoration represent it inaccurately without the sail-like structure evidenced by the deep bifurcations present. I also did talk to one of the researchers who described it. But when I edited it, somebody reversed my change. I reversed it back again, please tell me if I did something wrong... DaDinoNerdBoi (talk) 05:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, it was me that reverted your edits. The first edit I thought the drawing was of a cat. I didn't have my glasses on, so apologies for that. I don't believe the rendition was of high enough quality for Wikipedia, but other may have differing opinions. Someone else may be able to help you out. Knitsey (talk) 05:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , you are trying to add a deeply amateurish illustration of a dinosaur that somebody created today. The eyes are bizarre. Another editor disagrees. You need to gain consensus to add that image. What is your connection with the editor who created that image? Cullen328 (talk) 05:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh no no! those aren't the eyes! those are meant to be mimicry! it is a plausible functionality for the sails, the eyes are present of the head, at the end of the neck. sorry for the misunderstanding! DaDinoNerdBoi (talk) 06:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , the image sucks because it is cartoonish and amateurish. I did better drawings 60 years ago when I was illustrating The Flintstones fan fiction as a member of the Cub Scouts. You failed to answer my direct question, which to repeat is Please answer that question now. Cullen328 (talk) 07:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no the image does suck as amateurish and cartoonish, also it may be good to get WikiProject Palaeontology/Paleoart review invovled as well. Lavalizard101 (talk)
 * meant WikiProject Dinosaurs/Image review and have created a section for it WikiProject Dinosaurs/Image review. Lavalizard101 (talk) 11:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. There is no place for guesswork by amateur artists in this encyclopaedia, or we'll all be doing our own sketches in MS Paint of notable people when there's no other free image available of them! If a properly trained palaeontologist collaborates with a competent artist to create a serious, academic attempt at a life-like interpretation, then that could be used if the artist has been persuaded to release it under a useable licence. But we have to draw the line somewhere; it just shouldn't be drawn and shown here. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:48, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This topic has been rehashed many times in policy discussions . WP:DINO/WP:PALEO has a peer review process precisely for this reason, to ensure that all user-created images are grounded in reliable sources. Regardless, the image in question here is, in my opinion, unlikely to pass without serious modification. Lythronaxargestes (talk &#124; contribs) 01:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe DaDinoNerdBoi and the uploader of the images are the same person. I know an external website with proof. Atlantis536 (talk) 22:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , please read WP:OUTING, and do not post that information here on Wikipedia. The editor is entitled to anonymity. Cullen328 (talk) 22:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have. I did not think that such a vague statement about external sites would run afoul of OUTING. Sorry. Atlantis536 (talk) 22:46, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

My page
How do I add badges or awards to my page? Lolgamer1101 (talk) 20:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Lolgamer1101, welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Check out Userboxes which contains loads of templates for your User Page. You can add them as you would edit any Wikipedia page, just copy and paste the code into the Source Editor. There's also User page design guide which will likely be of help.
 * Just be mindful of the User pages guidance!  Qcne  (talk)  21:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , I see from your userpage that you are not happy with your username. The simplest solution is to fully abandon your current account, and then open a new account with a username that you are more comfortable with. Cullen328 (talk) 22:52, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Petting, making out, foreplay, non-penetrative sex
Merge these articles? :
 * Petting
 * making out
 * foreplay
 * non-penetrative sex
 * ... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 01:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * . Petting already redirects to Making out. On the other hand, Foreplay and Non-penetrative sex are different although related topics. Cullen328 (talk) 01:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Request help with vandal
User has been removing content that can be trivially verified by clicking through the citation referencing IMDB for each movie. As I've already reverted once, can someone else please handle?

Thanks, 2406:3003:2077:1E60:5BFF:E3BA:A88D:95 (talk) 02:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * IMDB is not a reliable source, but it seems weird that some random editor shows up and randomly removes cast members. In this case, IMDB is probably right. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 02:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I have just reported the user. Shadow 345110   (talk)  02:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Nookie
Nookie in Template:Sexual slang points to Sexual intercourse, yet the term also means vulva and vagina, asserts not using a disambiguation page in the template. List three times?
 * .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 01:47, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * this is something that you should discuss at Template talk:Sexual slang. My own inclination would be that "nookie" is much more commonly used to refer to sexual activity than it is to the vulva or vagina, and indeed both the OED and Merriam-Webster list the former but not latter meaning, and that's the most useful meaning to include in the template. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Reverting an article due to unnecessary edit
Hi all,

I've been looking at an article and looking through the recent edits and I feel like a not so great job has been done and additional things have been added that mean that article no longer has a NPOV. In this case an editor has copy pasted a whole paragraph from a "controversies" section and put it into the lead section. I think the edit is pretty pointless as that is what the "controversies" section is for. Would an edit like this warrant a revert? I just think the editor could have added to the lead section in a more constructive way instead of moving a whole section up. SpicyTofuNoodles (talk) 10:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello...it's difficult to say without knowing which article you're talking about, so be so kind and let us know. Lectonar (talk) 10:58, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @SpicyTofuNoodles It is difficult to comment in detail without knowing which article you are referring to. WP:LEAD says that the lead should provide a summary of the rest of the article, so it would be unusual to do as you describe. You should probably revert and take the discussion to the article's Talk page. See WP:BRD. Do not edit war! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Adding information to semi-protected article
If anyone has time, please feel free to add to the wiki article Dadvan Yousuf that he is no longer CEO of Dohrnii Foundation since February 24, 2023.

Article is in German - source is reputable - information is missing in the article.

Quote: Dadvan Yousuf, the founder of Dohrnii, is stepping down from his posts at the crypto-education platform with immediate effect, the company announced Friday. However, he will remain with the project as a representative, it said. In this position, the crypto millionaire will focus on innovation and long-term corporate strategy, it added. HonneyMooney (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Instructions on how to request an edit to a semi-protected article are available at Protection policy. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thx, will ask at talk page then. HonneyMooney (talk) 14:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Zvi Landsman
Hello, How can I get my 6 months old draft to be reviwed since I fixed what wanted?.. it's been 2 months and still no re-review... help please! Newlywo (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Newlywo I answered this at the Help Desk. Please do not post in multiple places as it wastes everyone's time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

How to add sticky headers for long tables?
I was reading Comparison of traffic signs in English-speaking territories and I kept having to scroll back to the top of each table to see the names of each country. Is there a way to turn on "sticky headers" to make the first row always show at the top of the page until after I've scrolled past the table? LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 19:17, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Gosh, that article made my entire browser lock up for six seconds!  Qcne  (talk)  19:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a user script at MediaWiki:Gadget-StickyTableHeaders.js. I haven't tried it myself. Shantavira|feed me 19:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, LOOKSQUARE. When I view the species list at List of species and habitats of principal importance in England, I see the headers staying visible on the page all the time as I scroll down. That's because I have enabled the Gadget in my Preferences in the Testing and development section, entitled "Make headers of tables display as long as the table is in view, i.e. "sticky" (requires Chrome v91+, Firefox v59+, or Safari)"
 * I'm no expert on Tables, but I am not aware of any other way to make a header stay visible all the time. However, I notice it doesn't work for the table you linked to. You might care to copy the source code into your sandbox and experiment with it there (rather than in a live article). Then you could replace the source code if you get it to work. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have the gadget for sticky headers enabled, but the tables in that article do not display with sticky headers. Nor can I scroll to the right to see all columns on a narrow screen. A bit of experimentation showed that if the ... surrounding the table is removed, the sticky headers work, and (as a bonus feature!) I can scroll to the right to see all of the columns (apparently with no other ill effects). It is not obvious to me what benefits were expected from the surrounding div. -- Verbarson  talkedits 17:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Verbarson I agree that your suggested change makes things better (when I try that change and "Preview" it). Is there a reason you didn't implement the change by going ahead and publishing the edit? Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Chesterton's fence. I am wary (as a professional programmer and developer, and equally so when editing Wikipedia) of removing something whose purpose I do not understand, even if it is causing me a problem that may well be solved by its removal. There may be a good reason for it being there, and any solution should not break that benefit without due consideration. -- Verbarson talkedits 17:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , can you provide an explanation for this edit, in the light of the discussion above? -- Verbarson talkedits 17:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Suspicious article
LILITZ Watch technicum seems to be a promo article... couldn't find anything reasonable online and it only links to itself and Rolex who paid for the school. 2607:FB91:8825:936F:AC39:D1F1:816B:ED86 (talk) 17:48, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the TeaHouse I have proposed for it to be deleted thank you. Shadow 345110   (talk)  18:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Getting creative with sources?
Hello, I have been working on a draft for the Miss Gay Caribbean pageant in Brooklyn. There is a shortage of "scholarly" sources for this type of event, but I have been wanting to contribute more to gay pageants, nightlife organizations, other similar cultural hubs. Any tips on how to bulk these up as I have found there to be a bit of a lack for this type of archiving on wikipedia? Chainsawpunk (talk) 20:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Chainsawpunk, Wikipedia is only as strong as its sources. If high-quality sources don't exist, there's not much we can do. In some cases, that means the topic may not be notable and should not have an article yet. Best, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 20:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , "scholarly" sources are not required for popular culture topics. Refererences to significant coverage in reliable, professionally edited news outlets should be adequate. Cullen328 (talk) 21:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

FROB FRAUD COST?
LAID OUT BEFORE FROB HOW ABOUT ANOTHER BEAN. THE KIND YOU COOK? Stellarstarrleight (talk) 21:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 21:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Cad Crowd
Hi guys, I made a page for an engineering crowdsourcing job platform called Cad Crowd. It seems to have been nominated for deletion and I would like some advice on how to improve the article. I thought I made a valid case for the references with the table but, perhaps the article needs improvement. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Akikormin125 (talk) 19:46, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. You have almost exclusively edited about Cad Crowd.  Do you have any association or affiliation with it? 331dot (talk) 19:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What you're missing, Akikormin, is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If the information about the subject in a source comes from the subject, then that source isn't independent. ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Linking to Imagination philosophy
How to hyperlink the title of PmWiki Article "Imagination philosophy" for easier access? This Article is about Thumbnail leads to different venues in Imagination like list of writers and Story tellers...and is part of a much broader Imagination Article...thanks Arnbiology (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The article "Imagination philosophy" is undergoing AfD. TheLonelyPather (talk) 16:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Arnbiology, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have no idea what you are talking about. It seems from this and from your comment at WP:Articles for deletion/Imagination philosophy that you are talking about something on another wiki, nothing to do with Wikipedia. Is that right? (You say "PMWiki", but that seems to be software for implementing a wiki, not a specific wiki).
 * This Teahouse is for (English) Wikipedia, and has nothing to do with any of the other thousands and thousands of wikis on the web.
 * If what you are trying to do is to link to a Wikipedia article from some other wiki somewhere else, then unless the implementors of that other wiki have provided a method, you are going to have to use the URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagination_philosophy.
 * If that doesn't answer your question, please clarify. ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete has been closed, thanksArnbiology (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Changing the name of the page seems impossible. What am I missing?
Grand Meadow Quarry Archeological District

This site is no long merely a listing on the National Register, but is being developed for public access and interpretation. I am working on updating this page to reflect that. The page was seemingly built from the National Register submission and is named as the site is named in that submission in 1994.

I'd like to change the name of this page to Grand Meadow Chert Quarry Archeological and Cultural Preserve. I just don't see a way to do that.

Thanks for the help, friends. BilCen (talk) 15:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. Changing the title of an article requires a page move.  There should be a Move option in a drop down menu at the top of the screen(in desktop mode, at least).  If you expect the move to be uncontroversial, you are free to perform it yourself, though you should be mindful of policy with regards to article titles- we don't necessarily use official or legal names, but what the topic is most commonly called, for example Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Clinton(his full name) or William Jefferson Blythe(his birth name). 331dot (talk) 15:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I didn't know about the title policy; appreciate the pointer. Is there a source for Wikipedia conventions on adding images to a page? Even a well-constructed page with several images would be useful to study. BilCen (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, hey. I hacked the URL with images and found Images, links to style info and so on.
 * So, I'm good here. BilCen (talk) 19:43, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @BilCen Article names are changed using the "Move" menu, which in the default vector 22 skin will be the first menu item to the right, assuming you have the necessary authority to do the move. however, I wonder if such a large title is required? You could create a WP:REDIRECT for the long title and maybe just use Grand Meadow Chert Quarry for the actual article. Bear in mind that titles are usually based on what the sources call the place (see WP:COMMONNAME). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:36, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This talk page is appearing on my talk page-below, fix if you can please, thanks Arnbiology (talk) 00:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

How do you create an article
F 2600:8802:63A0:BD00:3448:FF28:F0C1:FEE4 (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the TeaHouse if you would like to create an article you will have to log in first. Shadow 345110   (talk)  22:26, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually,, IP editors can submit draft articles to the Articles for creation process. Cullen328 (talk) 00:17, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @ Oh my apologies I did not know that. Thank you for letting me know. Shadow 345110   (talk)  00:22, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @2600:8802:63A0:BD00:3448:FF28:F0C1:FEE4
 * For you first article, you'd also need to use the Article Wizard.
 * Personally, I would recommend you gain experience by editing existing articles, before you try and make any new ones. You also need to prove that the subject of the article is notable as outlined in the general notability guideline. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 22:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with @. Shadow 345110   (talk)  22:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Can I refer my proposed page for Catherine Manchester artist  to an expert to write an entry based on notability criteria.Eg refer to google and references online for  entries under  my name
I wantto see if someone wants to write a page on Catherine Manchester Artsequence (talk) 08:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Artsequence, Welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Your use of "refer to google and references online for entries under my name" makes me think you are Catherine Manchester?
 * If you pass the WP:ARTIST threshold, then a Wikipedia volunteer will likely at some point create an article about you. Note that only people who pass that threshold can have articles written about them.
 * I've had a quick look online but I unfortunately I can't see very much that proves you would pass that threshold, sorry. Let me know if you disagree though, and think you do pass the criteria set out in WP:ARTIST?  Qcne  (talk)  09:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Qcne it was recommended that I may be worthy and to look into it.Thanks for your feeback. Artsequence (talk) 09:40, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I edited your draft (Draft:Catherine Manchester), but it needs references for all content. Of greater importance, what you wrote so far does not in my opinion meet the WP:ARTIST criteria. The exhibits you mentioned are not Wikipedia noteworthy. P.S. In general, Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be co-authors. David notMD (talk) 10:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for advice.I will proceed with the references.Its a 40 yearlong career I have to research Artsequence (talk) 22:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @Artsequence, if you are Catherine Manchester, you should refer to the guidelines on conflict of interest editing, and make the necessary disclosures. I would also advise you to read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. 2406:3003:2077:1E60:9A23:EE1E:1716:1917 (talk) 00:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kirklin
I accidently uploaded an image 2x to this wikipedia page and I don't know how to remove the duplicate, can anyone help me with this? So sorry, I have been away from Wikipedia for a while and made a mistake Mgsmith68 (talk) 17:06, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Fixed! :)  Qcne  (talk)  17:10, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , that image seems to be a photo of a photo. You claim this as your "own work". Did you actually take the photo of Kirklin yourself? Can you please clarify? Cullen328 (talk) 18:54, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I took the candid photo of Kirklin myself at a conference/meeting (I used to work with him and he told me I could take a picture to use) and the duplicate photo is a headshot I took a photo of that was used in many of his publications/webpages in the remote past and I had been told in the past that photo was covered under fair use. If it's not okay to use the photo I took of the headshot could you help me remove it? Mgsmith68 (talk) 12:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Mgsmith68,
 * Regarding the picture you took from the meeting, due to issues revolving around photographs of identifiable people, proof of Kirklin's permission is needed. This issue is better handled over on commons, where the file resides — check your talk page there. If you have questions, try the commons help desk.
 * As for the headshot picture, since you have the means to obtain a freely licensed photograph of Dr Kirklin (the one you took yourself!), fair use rationale is no longer valid. There's also a subtle technicality: fair use pictures have to be hosted here on wikipedia, and not on commons. Not to worry, that file will be removed.
 * You mentioned that you used to work with Kirklin — are you a former colleague, collaborator, or student of his? This means that you may have a conflict of interest, please read and adhere to the guidelines, including making disclosures as necessary.
 * —2406:3003:2077:1E60:9A23:EE1E:1716:1917 (talk) 01:22, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Prince George of Wales
Can someone fix ref # 20 on Prince George of Wales. Archiving is a mystery to me. thanks 76.14.122.5 (talk) 02:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Fixed. FYI, here's why the error existed: The  needs to correspond to the date on which the archived copy was made. In this case , and you can see it contains the timestamp   which means we should set  . Hope that helps. 2406:3003:2077:1E60:9A23:EE1E:1716:1917 (talk) 02:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Voynich
I am looking forward to meeting the write individual to help me create and articulate an article about the true author and creator of the Voynich manuscript and the real history of it. Voynichimself (talk) 00:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I see no reason to create a new article when Voynich manuscript already exists. One topic - one article. Please propose any new language at Talk:Voynich manuscript, providing references to reliable published sources. Your username is misleading because Wilfrid Voynich died 93 years ago. Cullen328 (talk) 00:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Voynichimself. It seems you might be making of descent from, or other relationship with Ethel Voynich. Please note that wikipedia does not welcome original research. This is not the appropriate place to share your own theories about the origins of the Voynich manuscript or how to decipher it. Any content you add must be verifiable. —2406:3003:2077:1E60:9A23:EE1E:1716:1917 (talk) 03:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Infobox too large
Why is the infobox for Nicky Evrard so giant and how do I fix it? Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, the caption was listed in the image size parameter. Cmr08 (talk) 04:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

My draft page
Hi,

I hope all is well. I created an article page titled "Farnoodex." I submitted it for review a couple of weeks ago. Would you mind taking a look at the draft page? If you need anything, please let me know. Thank you. Farnoodex (talk) 04:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Farnoodex and welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Looking at your draft, it seems (to me at least) that it fails Notability (music) because most of the citations are to music listings or databases. In addition, your username suggests to me that you have a conflict of interest, so please read Conflict of interest carefully and follow what it says. I'd also recommend that you edit existing articles before you create a new one. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 04:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Getting a draft approved
Hi, I am reviewing this draft and I am not sure which sources are deemed as not reliable etc. from my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:HeavyFinance ? Also which section sounds like an advertisement and needs changing?

Thank youuu NicoleSprawa (talk) 07:06, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse.


 * In relation to source reliability, you can find more information at Reliable sources. In short, a source is considered reliable if the reporting organization has a reputation for fact checking. Automatic failures tend to be anything user generated (e.g YouTube videos) or content which is sponsored (they tend to be bypass editorial review), though there are caveats.


 * You actually did a fairly decent job cutting out a lot of the language that was promotional since you posted this question, so I think you've got an adequate grasp of that. We have more information about how to maintain a non-promotional tone at Neutral point of view.


 * Note that for your draft to be accepted it has to meet the criteria outlined at Notability (organizations and companies). The sourcing required for this is stricter than simply being reliable. Said sourcing must also be independent and provide significant coverage. — Sirdog (talk) 07:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Malti Chahar
Although this article Draft:Malti_Chahar has received coverage from national news media in India, it has been nominated for deletion. Could someone kindly assist me in identifying more reliable and independent sources that could support its content? Incognitopublisher (talk) 17:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Where is the nomination for deletion of this draft (not article)? Incidentally, the content seems scant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.245.86.251 (talk) 19:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Incognitopublisher
 * Hello Incognitopublisher and welcome to the Teahouse! Your draft isn't listed for deletion, only the article was back in March. Your draft was simply declined, and I'd recommend you stop resubmitting it until you significantly improve it.
 * I did a cursory google search and most of the results were either gossip sites or seemed to be blatantly promotional articles (at least in English). At this time, I don't think this person is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 19:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * dear user:Grumpylawnchair
 * Thank you for your feedback. Did you checked my references all the references are from national news media this discussion,demonstrating independent coverage of the subject. Incognitopublisher (talk) 03:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Incognitopublisher
 * Yes, but most of them seem to be in the gossip/paid advert section of said newspapers. As a person of Indian descent myself, I have personal experience about how Indian newspapers can get paid sponsorships (I've read plenty in my lifetime; English and Telugu). Wikipedia actually has a information page discussing this phenomenon here. As I've said before, I don't believe that this person is noteworthy enough for an article because they have a dearth of independent and reliable sources discussing them in an unbiased manner, and I maintain that you should stop submitting it unless you significantly improve the article and prove this person's notability. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 04:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Than dear User:Grumpylawnchair according to you out of 27 news sources of National news media non of are reliable. Incognitopublisher (talk) 04:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Incognitopublisher I'm not saying that; I'm just saying that certain sections of said newspapers are unreliable. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 04:57, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Dear User:Grumpylawnchair
 * plz let me know which all are unreliable or you can remove that, together we can improve article Incognitopublisher (talk) 04:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, just in the lead, ref 1 is a topic search of the actress's name, ref 2 and 3 aren't independent, they're articles by the organization that runs the competition she was involved in, and ref 4 reads very much like a gossip article (it also has no authors listed, which isn't a good sign). <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 05:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * dear Should I remove it or you will remove that
 * thank you Incognitopublisher (talk) 05:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate if you did that, as that is the draft that you primarily worked on. Also, please don't call me "dear". <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 05:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ok
 * I have removed anything more which I need to do. Than Plz let me know. Incognitopublisher (talk) 05:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I still think the subject isn't noteworthy enough for an article, as evidenced by the several deletions of the article when it was in mainspace and the draft being declined several times. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 05:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Upon reviewing the Wikipedia article on Indian film actors and actresses from this of viewpoint, it appears that a significant portion falls within the category you mentioned. As a result, there may be grounds to consider keeping these entries unpublished. Incognitopublisher (talk) 05:27, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you've found articles that don't appear to meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria,, then you'd be doing the site a service if you nominated them for deletion. See Introduction to deletion process for guidance on how to do that. There are a lot of poor-quality articles on topics that might not meet the notability standard, which were created before the current draft review system was established. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Vision scientist?
My draft article "De Vries - Rose Law" was declined for lacking "reliable sources", despite referencing the original papers by De Vries and Rose, and other refereed journal papers. With all due respect to the editor who kindly read and unfortunately declined it, I'm not sure that they have a grounding or interest in vision science, as they seem to specialise in articles about football players. Is there anyone else who might look at it? The De Vries - Rose Law is of great significance in vision science, and worth having an article about, whether by me or someone else. StormBarn23 (talk) 18:57, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Based on a Google Scholar search, I am confident that the De Vries - Rose Law is notable and worthy of a Wikipedia article. You mention as if that is a good thing. However, on Wikipedia, notability is established by references to reliable sources that are entirely independent of the topic and devote significant coverage to the topic. Accordingly, the papers by De Vries and Rose are of no value in establishing notability. I recommend that you emphasize the references to sources independent of the original authors, and de-emphasize the original papers. As I mentioned, there are plenty of possible sources that can be found at Google Scholar. Cullen328 (talk) 19:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Cullen328. As well as De Vries (1943) and Rose (1948), my article cites twelve other refereed journal papers and scholarly books, all by experts personally unconnected to De Vries and Rose, including "Visual Perception:The Neurophysiological Foundations" (2012) and "Vision: Coding and Efficiency" (1993). StormBarn23 (talk) 10:49, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I would like to note that somebody's background typically does not matter on Wikipedia, as anyone can edit here. Regardless of whether or not the reviewer was typically knowledgeable about the subject really doesn't affect anything, as an article without any reliable sources is guaranteed to be declined. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 14:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Club On a Sub 20, I totally agree. My basic query is that my article Draft:De_Vries_-_Rose_Law was declined for lacking reliable sources, and I don't understand why. I did reply directly to the editor in question asking for clarification on what was needed, but haven't had a reply, which is why I raised it here. I did make some revisions and have resubmitted the article, so I guess it's waiting in the queue, and I'll see after another four months if it's had any better success. StormBarn23 (talk) 08:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Article space to Draft space
Hello!

I created a draft (Draft:Arnav Kapur), it has been edited by a few people (recent edits have been minor) but I am not exactly sure if I have any action items on my part. I'd love any kind of help / feedback!

Thank you :) Liztrudon (talk) 08:22, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. You have submitted your draft for review- if accepted, the reviewer will place it in the encyclopedia.  If not, they will leave feedback. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah okay! Got it - so I don't have to do anything yet? Could you review it? Liztrudon (talk) 08:57, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There is nothing else that you are required to do. You are welcome to continue to make edits to the draft if needed.  Drafts are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers- and there are many more drafts awaiting review than volunteers to review them- please be patient.  Everyone would like their draft reviewed next so I'm very reluctant to review drafts on demand as once it is known that I did for one person everyone would come to me asking for reviews. :) 331dot (talk) 09:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , I've had a look at Draft:Arnav Kapur. It cites 22 sources (though they are were, weirdly, listed in an "Awards" section, not a "References" section). I've checked half a dozen of them chosen at random. None of them was to an independent source with extensive discussion of Kapur, such as is needed to establish notability. Some were about conversations with him and so not independent; some were about a device he has invented, and not about him. If there some sources among those 22 that help to establish notability, you could make it easier for a reviewer to find them by removing most of the others. You don't need six references for the uncontroversial claim that his work has been exhibited three times. Maproom (talk) 09:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Maproom! This really helps. I will try to improve the sources. Liztrudon (talk) 09:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Trust Capital TC/sandbox
i am creating a company page User:Trust Capital TC/sandbox please check why it got speedy deleted Trust Capital TC (talk) 12:18, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * If you want to create an article, you should start by assembling some references to reliable independent sources that discuss its subject, and then write the article basing it on what they say. What you have written so far is not based on any independent sources, and so might as well be deleted. If you have any connection with Trust Capital TC, as your user name suggests, you have a Conflict of interest and need to declare it on your user page. But first, you'll need to create a new account, as your current username suggests that the account is associated with a business: such account names are against Wikipedia policy. Maproom (talk) 12:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Trust Capital TC. Please read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. Everything written in a Wikipedia article must be sourced by a reliable, independent reference that is not connected to the article topic. Thus no company website, or company information on the director. (Sorry, but I glanced at the article draft in your user page, left to copy some help articles for you, and when I came back the draft was gone, so I don’t recall all the websites you included, in lieu of references.) Also, since your user name is the same as the draft article, it appears that you have connections to the company you were writing about. Wikipedia is not a place to promote a business – all information must come from a neutral source, and not from business. It may also be useful for your to read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and What Wikipedia is not. I hope this is of help to you. Best wishes on future Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 12:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To clarify about user names: Accounts must belong to individuals, not organisations or groups. You are allowed a user-name associated with your organisation if it's clearly an individual account, such as "JohnAtTrustCapital". You jsut can't have account user names that look like they belong to more than one person, such as "CommsAtTrustCapital" or simply "Trust Capital" Elemimele (talk) 12:38, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * op blocked. ltbdl (talk) 13:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Quartermass articles
I recently saw some articles related to the Bernard Quatermass series of works, most of them being GA or even FA. However, some of them may have to be reassessed because of some common things I found: and I also see that many of them use mostly book sources about the subject or author, Nigel Kneale, which is not a problem, but it is sometimes used to cite reviews in newspapers. I’ll assume that the original newspaper review might have been lost media or something, so right now it’s not part of my concerns. But I feel like it’s a tiny thing to start a reassessment over, because it may be easily fixed; unfortunately I don’t have access to the sources that may be needed.
 * IMDB sources (unreliable)
 * Unrelated information about the cast (what they were in before they got the role in the serial or film)
 * prose and formatting problems

So I will ask here: should the Quartermass GAs and FAs be reassessed, or is it not needed? Spinixster  (chat!)  13:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Possible (SNAC) change needed (in an AC template instance)
Please see "https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%3AWikipedia%2FDevelopment#Possible_change_needed_)..._(re:_an_AC_template_instance)" ... which contains, in part, a link to THIS (new section, of a) "Talk:" page: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wilbur_Kitchener_Jordan#Update?_the_entry_for_%22SNAC%22_in_the_AC_%5Btemplate%5D_'box'"

Thanks for listening. Mike Schwartz (talk) 13:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mike Schwartz Thanks for bringing it here. I have now added the new one to the Wikidata item and it is displaying correctly in the enwiki article. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:07, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Vanderwaalforces Thank you. [for fixing this].
 * --Mike Schwartz (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * --Mike Schwartz (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Clarification on drafts and subpages for article revisions
I am looking to start drafting changes to a few articles - specifically, changes to sections of articles or the addition of new sections entirely. I have been reading through WP:SP and I want to confirm my understanding of how to properly draft article revisions. WP:DRAFT seems to specifically pertain to the drafting of new articles and not major section edits or new sections in existing articles, so I am assuming it's out of scope. In this section of the subpages guideline, it states that you should put drafts of major article revisions in a subpage of the talk namespace. Is this preferred over using a sandbox? I don't want to be creating subpages in the talk namespace if I should be using the sandbox, or vice versa. WP:WORP seems to reinforce that one should use subpages in the talk namespace for this purpose. Everything I've read about the sandbox seems to indicate it's more for testing syntax, but articles like WP:ABOUTSAND hint at using those pages for draft-related purposes. Thanks. Ballinskary (talk) 17:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I have been editing for 14 years and I regularly write both new articles and expansions of existing articles in my personal sandbox spaces. Sandbox space can be used for any productive thing connected to improving the encyclopedia. Draft space is only for drafting new articles and is entirely optional for autoconfirmed editors. I never use draft space because I know what I am doing. Other editors may use other methods. Cullen328 (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As for Workpages, that is a rarely edited and rarely cited essay that reflects the thinking of some editors 15 to 20 years ago. I wouldn't pay much attention to it. Cullen328 (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the quick and helpful response, Cullen328. Do you typically maintain separate sandbox pages in your user namespace for separate drafts?
 * Also, thanks for the tip on that essay. Was the assessment of it being "rarely cited" based on what links to that page? Ballinskary (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , yes, I usually make a separate sandbox page for each discrete topic I am working on. My main sandbox page ended up with too many odds and ends in it. My comment about that essay being rarely cited is due to the fact that I do not recall anyone else ever mentioning it until you did. Also, I looked at the edit history and the talk page, both of which are not very active. Influential essays are mentioned all the time, and their content is frequently discussed on their talk pages. Cullen328 (talk) 18:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Cullen328 - That makes sense. Thanks again for your help! Ballinskary (talk) 18:43, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I need to create my wiki account
I am an actor worked around 30 movies and webseries in tollywood, i am unable to create my wiki page please provide me yhe solution and my name is Sanjay Krishna Balagam Sanjay krishna (talk) 19:00, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, welcome to Wikipedia! I am afraid that Wikipedia is not like a social media platform, as in all notable people here have "articles", not pages. It is highly recommended that you do NOT write an article about yourself (Self),(COI). Even if your article is neutrally written, AND has 3 reliable sources, it is not necessarily a good thing to have an article about yourself (see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing). Have a good day! Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 19:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Three or 3?
I've seen editors change the number 3 to the word three and other editors change the word three to the number 3. Both were referring to the number of how many a thing is / was i.e. There were 3 apples vs There were three apples. What does WP MOS say about this? Curious which is correct or is it just a preference. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 18:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See MOS:NUMERAL. -- Jayron 32 18:13, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Maineartists Yep, per Jayron above, it all depends on the context, following the MOS:NUMERAL. If you figure out that what other editors are changing isn’t appropriate, you could simply change it back and send them a Hi on their talk page regarding that change and probably also refer them to the MOS:NUMERAL. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Article Submission
I've authored an article about Wisconsin's inaugural driving school, emphasizing its historical importance. After receiving a deletion notification, I've submitted a 'contested deletion' response. I'd appreciate feedback on both the article and my response.

If there are areas of improvement or specific concerns, guidance would be invaluable.

Thank you for your time and assistance.

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The Article: (with minor revisions to align with Wikipedia standards)

Arcade Drivers School: Historical Overview

Beginnings and Initial Challenges Arcade Drivers School was established in 1950, following the suspension of operations at Art-Rite Drivers School, which had been founded in 1947 by Stanley Artrite. Art-Rite is documented as one of the earliest driving schools in Wisconsin, as evidenced by its listing in the 1947 Yellow Pages.

In 1950, operational challenges arose for Art-Rite when Artrite faced legal issues. The school's operations were temporarily halted during this period.

Transition to Arcade Drivers School

William McCluskey, who had prior associations with Art-Rite, took over the institution during its period of suspension. He renamed it to Arcade Drivers School, with the name reflecting its location in Milwaukee's Plankinton Arcade Building. McCluskey faced challenges in reaching out to former Art-Rite customers due to limited access to their contact information.

Evolution of Arcade Drivers School

Under McCluskey's direction, the school emphasized quality in driver education. This was reflected in the training standards and the condition of the training vehicles. The school's growth led to an increase in trained instructors, some of whom later started their own driving schools. The school's consistent advertisements in the Milwaukee Journal over several decades highlighted its presence in the local community.

Advertising Trends in Driver Education

The latter half of the 20th century saw driving schools, including Arcade, engage in advertising campaigns, particularly in the Yellow Pages. Arcade's rebranding strategy during this period influenced naming trends among competitors.

Collaborations and Partnerships

Arcade collaborated with Sears, leading to the introduction of 'Sears Driving School' in Wisconsin.

Current Status

Arcade Drivers School has remained operational over the decades, marking its presence in Wisconsin's driver education sector. Other schools, such as 'Easy Method Driving School' and 'North Shore Driving School', have also been operational for several decades.

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My Contested Response to the Article Marked for Deletion:

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because...

(I am working on an article about Arcade Drivers School, Wisconsin's first and longest-standing driving school. This institution has been operational for over 70 years and has indirectly influenced the structure and standards of nearly every driving school established in the state since.

Historical Significance: Arcade Drivers School is not just a commercial entity; it represents a significant part of Wisconsin's educational history. As the state's first driving school, it has set industry standards for over seven decades.

Neutrality: I am neither an employee nor a stakeholder in Arcade Drivers School. My interest in this topic stems from my professional background in the driver education industry from 1987 to 2005. As a former owner of Assurance Driving School, a competitor of Arcade, I have firsthand knowledge of the industry's evolution and Arcade's pivotal role in shaping it.

Notability: Many current driving schools in Wisconsin indirectly trace their origins and methodologies back to Arcade. This institution's resilience, despite the rise and fall of numerous competitors, underscores its significance in the industry.

Personal Experience: While I was trained by Arcade in 1986 and later established my own driving school, I've observed many others follow a similar path. Despite training its competition, Arcade has remained a stalwart in the industry, a testament to its foundational role in Wisconsin driver education.

Objective Recognition: My intention is not to promote Arcade but to acknowledge its historical and ongoing impact on driver education in Wisconsin. Its enduring presence and influence on multiple generations of driving schools make it a notable subject for an encyclopedic entry.

I am committed to adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines and ensuring that the article is factual, neutral, and verifiable.

I appreciate your consideration and am open to feedback to improve the article further.)

--Dwappes (talk) 03:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC) Dwappes (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Dwappes, welcome to the Teahouse!
 * Unfortunately your draft was deleted, so I cannot check, but did you provide any sources for your article? It looks like you did not as your text above has no in-line citations.
 * Every fact and statement in your article needs to be backed up by independent and reliable sources. This is so anyone can verify that the statements in your article are accurate and to ensure that your topic is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. If you do not add any sources then I am afraid your article will never be accepted onto Wikipedia.
 * It might be worth reading Your first article which gives you the dos and don'ts of creating an article, plus the Citing sources guide that explains how to cite sources.
 * The easiest way to forward is to find reliable, independent, secondary sources that cover the driving school in detail, and then summarise them in your own words. That should make up the content of your article draft. Note that the sources must be:
 * - Reliable: Your article should rely on strong, reliable sources that are published by reputable institutions. Primary sources can be used for basic facts (such as a date of birth), but they should be supplemented with strong secondary sources that offer analysis or interpretation.
 * - Independent: Your sources should be independent of the subject, for example not self-published or from the subject's own website.
 * - Show significant coverage: Your subject should be discussed in detail in the sources you find. The sources should provide in-depth information or analysis about the subject, going beyond basic facts or promotional material.
 * - From multiple places: You should find at least three separate reliable, independent, secondary sources that discuss your subject.
 * - Not original research: Wikipedia articles should summarise existing knowledge about a subject, not present new research. This means you should avoid drawing your own conclusions or analyses from the sources. Stick to summarising what the sources say in a neutral tone. You also can't use your own personal experience.
 * You should also check the Notability (organizations and companies) criteria which explains what the threshold that organisations and companies must pass in order to have a Wikipedia article. If the driving school cannot pass the threshold set out in that link, then I am afraid it cannot have an article at this time.
 * Let me know if that helps, and if you have any questions.  Qcne  (talk)  12:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. The article was deleted before I could add newspaper articles that supported my statements. In fact, the article was deleted while I was writing it with an explanation that it was 'promotional'. Arcade Drivers School was the first driving school ever established in Wisconsin and their trainees went off to establish their own driving schools. Arcade is basically the 'root' of the driver education industry in Wisconsin. I can put all the facts and supporting documents together, but not if the article keeps getting deleted while being drafted. So, what do I do? Dwappes (talk) 13:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry your article was deleted mid-editing, that sounds frustrating. You can ask an administrator to recover the draft at Requests for undeletion.
 * You can then either work on your article in your sandbox, which is a testing space. Or you can work on your article in the draftspace, which is what you did originally, and not submit it for review until you have finished with it. I wonder if you accidentally submitted it for review, and then it was deleted as it appeared to the reviewer that it was a finished draft? I'm courtesy pinging the deleting administrator who can hopefully clarify @Whpq.
 * If you think you have the right sort of sources to back up all your statements, and you think the driving school passes the notability threshold mentioned above, and you're careful to write the article in a dispassionate, neutral, encyclopaedic way: then you should be okay.  Qcne  (talk)  13:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. Do you know how I would upload or use information from a .pdf copy of a newspaper clipping as a citation from 1947 that has a copyright? The clipping is the only evidence that verifies my assertions in the article. Dwappes (talk) 16:47, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your sources don't have to be accessible online. You can either use the Visual Editor's citation tool, or in the Source Editor use the Cite news template. If you still wanted to upload the clipping, I would suggest using https://archive.org/.
 * However I will say that we usually need a minimum of three sources for an article. You're fine to cite a single source for a single statement, but if your article only relies on only a single source throughout (the newspaper clipping) then it likely will not be accepted.  Qcne   (talk)  16:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Dwappes,
 * I understand it is frustrating to have your efforts at an article deleted. The reason it was deleted was because the tone of the article was promotional with phrases like " impeccable condition of training vehicles" and "Arcade's innovative spirit extended beyond advertising".  You need to avoid advertising like phrases, or if they really are true, then they need to be backed up by reliable sources.  I will restore the draft for you, but you will need to address the tone of the article. -- Whpq (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I think I would like to start all over from scratch. I went to the library yesterday and downloaded newspaper articles as reliable sources as well as reviewed and photographed yellow page publications going back to 1947, all of which is copyrighted material. So I will have to cite the publications without direct links or copies/images. So, where should I go to start over? Would that be back to the Snadbox? Dwappes (talk) 11:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sandbox or Articles for creation process :)  Qcne  (talk)  11:53, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are starting from scratch and do not want to use Draft:Arcade Drivers School, Wisconsin 1st Driving School, you can tag it with db-author to have it deleted. -- Whpq (talk) 12:01, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Is this better? If so, how can I submit it as 'complete'?
 * Arcade Drivers School: Pioneering Driver Education in Wisconsin
 * Origins and Early Challenges
 * Founded in 1950, Arcade Drivers School evolved from the Art-Rite Drivers School, established in 1947 by Stanley Artrite. Art-Rite holds the distinction of being Wisconsin’s first driving school, as evidenced by its exclusive listings in the 1948 Yellow Pages, which was also the first year the ‘Automobile Driving Instruction’ classification appeared in the telephone directory.
 * In 1950, Artrite encountered legal issues related to undelivered driving lessons to 229 students who had each paid $25 for the driving instruction course, attributing the problem to the repossession of his training vehicles. This led to a temporary halt in Art-Rite's operations.
 * Arcade Drivers School: A New Chapter
 * Following Art-Rite's challenges, William McCluskey, who had prior associations with Art-Rite, took the helm. He rebranded the institution to Arcade Drivers School, inspired by its location in Milwaukee's Plankinton Arcade Building. However, McCluskey faced challenges in assisting former Art-Rite customers due to difficulties in obtaining their records.
 * Emphasis on Quality Driver Education
 * During McCluskey's leadership, Arcade Drivers School placed a strong emphasis on driver education. The school aimed to maintain a consistent teaching approach and prioritized the condition of its training vehicles.
 * Innovative Approaches and Media Presence
 * Arcade became the first driving school in Wisconsin to introduce classroom training for students, a move they highlighted in both newspapers and the Yellow Pages. The school consistently advertised in the Milwaukee Journal, also known as the ‘Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’, with content ranging from job postings to student success stories.
 * Arcade's advertisements consistently attracted individuals seeking employment opportunities. Those accepted underwent rigorous training to become driving instructors. This training not only covered the practical aspects of driving but also the legal regulations they would need to adhere to.
 * However, this growth strategy had unintended consequences. Many of the newly trained instructors, having been exposed to Arcade's successful business model and recognizing the potential profitability of the industry, chose to branch out on their own. They established their own driving schools, leveraging the knowledge and training provided by Arcade, and subsequently became competitors in the very market Arcade had helped shape.
 * The Era of Advertising Competition
 * The latter half of the 20th century saw a significant uptick in advertising within the driver education sector, particularly in the Yellow Pages. Arcade's rebranding to 'A1 Arcade Drivers School' prompted competitors to add similar prefixes like ‘AA’ and ‘AAA’ to their names, aiming for an alphabetical advantage in listings. By the late 1970s, the 'Automobile Driving Instruction' category in the Yellow Pages had expanded across multiple pages. To maximize their visibility, some schools placed over 30 ads, utilizing both display and in-column formats. However, in the 1990s, the Yellow Pages, now published by Ameritech, implemented a policy change. They no longer allowed driving schools to use such prefixes for better placement and mandated that schools place their advertisements under the specific name on their driving school business licenses. This change reflected the Yellow Pages' effort to ensure fairness and accuracy in listings. This aggressive advertising approach highlighted the fierce competition in the sector. Additionally, new categories, such as ‘Driving Schools’ and ‘Driving Proficiency Test Service’, began to appear, thus expanding the advertising platform.
 * Collaborations and Alliances
 * In response to the escalating competition, Arcade Drivers School introduced A-Alpine Driving School in 1963. Arcade also collaborated with Sears in 1983 to launch 'Sears Driving School' across Wisconsin, a partnership that lasted until Sears' closure in 2018.
 * The Rise and Fall of Wisconsin Driving Schools
 * While many driving schools have emerged over the decades, few have endured. Arcade Drivers School, Easy Method Driving School (est. 1973), and North Shore Driving School (est. 1976) are among the exceptions.
 * Enduring Legacy
 * For over seventy years, Arcade Drivers School has not only been a stalwart in Wisconsin's driver education industry but has also played a pivotal role in shaping it. Its consistent presence and influence have laid the groundwork for many other driving schools in the state. Many institutions that followed owe their origins, directly or indirectly, to the training and opportunities provided by Arcade. As one of the earliest and most enduring driving schools in Wisconsin, Arcade stands as a testament to the evolution and growth of driver education in the region.
 * == Notes ==
 * However, this growth strategy had unintended consequences. Many of the newly trained instructors, having been exposed to Arcade's successful business model and recognizing the potential profitability of the industry, chose to branch out on their own. They established their own driving schools, leveraging the knowledge and training provided by Arcade, and subsequently became competitors in the very market Arcade had helped shape.
 * The Era of Advertising Competition
 * The latter half of the 20th century saw a significant uptick in advertising within the driver education sector, particularly in the Yellow Pages. Arcade's rebranding to 'A1 Arcade Drivers School' prompted competitors to add similar prefixes like ‘AA’ and ‘AAA’ to their names, aiming for an alphabetical advantage in listings. By the late 1970s, the 'Automobile Driving Instruction' category in the Yellow Pages had expanded across multiple pages. To maximize their visibility, some schools placed over 30 ads, utilizing both display and in-column formats. However, in the 1990s, the Yellow Pages, now published by Ameritech, implemented a policy change. They no longer allowed driving schools to use such prefixes for better placement and mandated that schools place their advertisements under the specific name on their driving school business licenses. This change reflected the Yellow Pages' effort to ensure fairness and accuracy in listings. This aggressive advertising approach highlighted the fierce competition in the sector. Additionally, new categories, such as ‘Driving Schools’ and ‘Driving Proficiency Test Service’, began to appear, thus expanding the advertising platform.
 * Collaborations and Alliances
 * In response to the escalating competition, Arcade Drivers School introduced A-Alpine Driving School in 1963. Arcade also collaborated with Sears in 1983 to launch 'Sears Driving School' across Wisconsin, a partnership that lasted until Sears' closure in 2018.
 * The Rise and Fall of Wisconsin Driving Schools
 * While many driving schools have emerged over the decades, few have endured. Arcade Drivers School, Easy Method Driving School (est. 1973), and North Shore Driving School (est. 1976) are among the exceptions.
 * Enduring Legacy
 * For over seventy years, Arcade Drivers School has not only been a stalwart in Wisconsin's driver education industry but has also played a pivotal role in shaping it. Its consistent presence and influence have laid the groundwork for many other driving schools in the state. Many institutions that followed owe their origins, directly or indirectly, to the training and opportunities provided by Arcade. As one of the earliest and most enduring driving schools in Wisconsin, Arcade stands as a testament to the evolution and growth of driver education in the region.
 * == Notes ==
 * The Rise and Fall of Wisconsin Driving Schools
 * While many driving schools have emerged over the decades, few have endured. Arcade Drivers School, Easy Method Driving School (est. 1973), and North Shore Driving School (est. 1976) are among the exceptions.
 * Enduring Legacy
 * For over seventy years, Arcade Drivers School has not only been a stalwart in Wisconsin's driver education industry but has also played a pivotal role in shaping it. Its consistent presence and influence have laid the groundwork for many other driving schools in the state. Many institutions that followed owe their origins, directly or indirectly, to the training and opportunities provided by Arcade. As one of the earliest and most enduring driving schools in Wisconsin, Arcade stands as a testament to the evolution and growth of driver education in the region.
 * == Notes ==
 * Enduring Legacy
 * For over seventy years, Arcade Drivers School has not only been a stalwart in Wisconsin's driver education industry but has also played a pivotal role in shaping it. Its consistent presence and influence have laid the groundwork for many other driving schools in the state. Many institutions that followed owe their origins, directly or indirectly, to the training and opportunities provided by Arcade. As one of the earliest and most enduring driving schools in Wisconsin, Arcade stands as a testament to the evolution and growth of driver education in the region.
 * == Notes ==
 * == Notes ==
 * == Notes ==


 * == References ==
 * == References ==

Dwappes (talk) 14:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * No, this is not better. There is no evidence whatsoever of "historical importance", and the tone of especially the last paragraph is unencyclopedic, and unequivocally promotional. No, you cannot claim something is foundational because it appears in the Yellow Pages since 1950. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your feedback, Drmies.
 * I understand the concerns raised about the article's tone and the reliance on the Yellow Pages as a primary source. I've made adjustments to the "Enduring Legacy" section to address this.
 * Regarding the historical importance of Arcade Drivers School, I'd like to provide some context. While the Wisconsin DMV doesn't hand out awards to driving schools, Arcade played a pivotal role in shaping the driver education landscape in the state. Many instructors, including myself, received training from Arcade and subsequently established their own driving schools. This proliferation of driving schools, many of which used lesson plans and business models inspired by Arcade, speaks to its influence in the industry.
 * I acknowledge that much of this information is anecdotal and based on personal experience. However, I believe it's essential to capture the broader narrative of Arcade's impact on Wisconsin's driver education sector. I'm committed to ensuring the article meets Wikipedia's standards and would appreciate any guidance on how to improve it further.
 * Here's the revised paragraph:
 * Enduring Legacy
 * Arcade Drivers School has operated in Wisconsin for over seventy years. Its long-standing presence in the state's driver education industry is documented in various sources, including the Yellow Pages. The broader impact of the school on driver education in Wisconsin and its significance in the context of the state's history needs further research and documentation.
 * I hope this revision addresses some of your concerns, and I'm open to further suggestions to enhance the article's quality.
 * P.S.: For transparency, I'd like to mention that while I was trained by Arcade Drivers School in 1986, I am not an employee of theirs. In 1987, I started my own driving school, which directly competed with Arcade. Our business relationship was competitive, and there were challenges between our schools during that time.
 * == Notes ==
 * == Notes ==

Dwappes (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:Original research is not accepted for Wikipedia articles. Your statement  is an example of this.  The unbroken presence in the Yellow Pages is only evidence of an unbroken presence in the Yellow Pages and the claim that it "underscores its foundational role in Wisconsin's driver education sector" is your personal interpretation.  -- Whpq (talk) 18:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply.
 * Another crucial point to consider is that Art-Rite holds the distinction of being Wisconsin's inaugural driving school. This establishment predates the state's regulation of driving schools, given that the Wisconsin Department of Transportation (DOT/DMV) wasn't instituted until 1967. While Art-Rite transitioned to the name "Arcade" in 1950, it essentially remained the same institution. As the pioneering driving school in Wisconsin, and with its legacy of training numerous instructors who later founded their own schools, Arcade undeniably laid the groundwork for the driver education industry in the state before any other institution. Dwappes (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The thing to realise, Dwappes, is that it doesn't matter who the subject is, what they have done, what people think of them, or anything else about them unless this has been discussed by independent writers published in reliable sources. If that is the case, then there can be an article, based almost 100% on what those independent reliable sources say. If there are not enough such sources to provide the basis for an article, then there can be no article. ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, ColinFine, for clarifying the importance of independent and reliable sources in shaping Wikipedia articles. I understand the emphasis on verifiability and the need for third-party references to establish notability and provide a neutral point of view.
 * Given this feedback, I will undertake further research to identify independent sources that have discussed Arcade Drivers School and its significance in the context of Wisconsin's driver education history. I appreciate the guidance and patience as I work to ensure the article aligns with Wikipedia's standards. If you have any specific recommendations or sources I should consider, I'd be grateful for the guidance.
 * Once I've gathered additional sources, I'll revisit the article's content and make necessary revisions. Again, thank you for your insights, and I'm committed to making this article a valuable addition to Wikipedia. Dwappes (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

how can I write news in Wikipedia
Ihave tried to help Wikipedia with many things but my news is deleted within a matter of seconds.
 * Hello @196.191.61.64 and welcome to the Teahouse! Your edits to Ethiopian Full Gospel Believers' Church seem to have been reverted because you didn't cite a reliable source. Please see Reliable sources. In addition, please sign your posts with four tildes (like  but minus the space in the middle) on talk pages, but never on articles. Please also see Signatures for more information. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding:  3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 19:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Help with Uploading Client's Information on Wiki
Hello All, new Wiki fan hoping to help contribute! My business helps consult with other businesses to elevate the presence and professionalism of their organization. I am currently working on uploading a page with the Business Media Content Manager and running into somewhat of a learning curve. The business I am assisting has been incorporated since 2016 and has been very successful in the Fine Art industry. I have a rough draft and would like some advice on how I can become a credible contributor to assist this client and more in the future. I look forward to collaborating to assist in contributing quality content with valid sources to improve upon the information available in Wiki. Thank you! ReedSolve Corp, Ricky Reed ReedSolve Corp (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Please read and comply with WP:PAID 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @ReedSolve Corp Please also read WP:NOSHARING, because as it stands, your username is a violation of Wikipedia's username policy for implying shared use. Your username can identify an individual at an organization, such as RickyAtReedSolve, but please note that it cannot just name a position (those can refer to multiple people) such as HRManagerAtReedSolve nor can it just be a company name such as ReedSolve Corp. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 21:29, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Reply notices
Why don't I get a notification in the "notices" section when somebody replies to the topics I started on discussion pages, like this one? I get them on Simple English Wikipedia, but not here. Kk.urban (talk) 20:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * If you go to preferences, then in notifications, you can turn on what you get notifications for. Also, make sure you subscribe to the thread. To automatically sign up, it is an option in the editing section of preferences. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  21:22, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Kk.urban (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Dominican republic and the barrick gold
Dominican republic and the barrick gold 24.206.66.15 (talk) 22:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @24.206.66.15
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I don't understand what you're asking, could you please clarify? <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding:  3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 23:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

US census question
If you were to include the following demographic data in the prose of an article, how would you do it? Keep in mind that categories like "race", "white", and "Hispanic" are socially defined, so the prose should present them as they would be used in everyday life.


 * And of course, it would be possible to list every single one of those numbers, but that seems excessive. Kk.urban (talk) 02:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Kk.urban, it's probably better to use a table or chart for such demographic data. That's the reason they exist. If you could say why you want to say a table's contents in prose, there might be a more elegant solution, avoiding the infamous XY problem which I suspect is occurring right now. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 02:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sungodtemple There are several reasons. One is that an audio version of the article can't read tables very well. Another is that some of these categories are probably more relevant than others. Also, the vast majority of US city and town articles have demographics like this in prose. A table could also be used on the side. Kk.urban (talk) 02:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As you mention, there is a fairly standard prose format in nearly every US municipality article, and that format typically includes all the data except for the Hispanic/Latino breakdown for each individual race, yet does include it for the total. Is there something with that prose format that you would like to adjust? BTW, the whole Hispanic/Latino breakdown is a frequent topic of discussion at Talk:United States, but since that's how the Census Bureau handles things, coming up with our own interpretation would be WP:OR. As for some of these categories are probably more relevant than others&mdash; that may be a controversial suggestion and another reason why it would be helpful to understand what you really need this for. Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Orange Suede Sofa
 * You could say the format is standard, but it has generally not been updated for 2020, although the data has been available for 1-2 years. So there must be some reason for this lack of update. There is also not a single way that the Census Bureau handles things. Their website releases this type of information in numerous tables that each have different information. One example of less useful information is "two or more races and Hispanic or Latino". I don't see how such information is useful.
 * However, I can use percent of each race (aside from Hispanic or not), and then total of Hispanic percent if most users think that is the best way to do it. Kk.urban (talk) 19:27, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The lack of update has more to do with lack of resources to update tens of thousands of articles rather than lack of consensus about the right format. I remember the last time this happened in 2010; some dedicated heroes undertook the work and today we have fewer such heroes. If you're interested in some additional history here, and maybe a list of editors who might still be interested, check out WP:WikiProject U.S. Census. Regarding the Latino topic, I was referring more to how Latino is not treated by the Bureau as a race at all, which leads to some misinterpretations and distortions of the data for secondary purposes. It's true that the Bureau does slice and present the data in different ways which may be appropriate for certain articles, but the one thing that does seem to make most editors happy is that the predominant format adds up to 100%. Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 19:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you included Hispanic or Latino in all the racial categories and in its own category, then that would add up to more than 100%. If Hispanic/Latinos are excluded from the racial categories, then it would add up to 100%. For example, see Greater Los Angeles. Kk.urban (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of the issues. My main answers to what I believe are your questions are a) the lack of 2020 census updates is more practical than editorial, and b) there is a long history of debate around this topic, this debate extends outside of Wikipedia, and if you're interested in creating a new format going forward, you are welcome to propose anything. There are existing editors who are familiar with the topic that should participate, and they are not here but at places like the aforementioned WikiProject. If no traction is to be found there, then there are other avenues. I'm not trying to discourage you from suggesting any improvements, but rather that at this point, the options given above are the places to continue the discussion rather than here at the Teahouse. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 20:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The answer is that I wouldn't because it requires analysis, which is original research. Instead, I would rely on an expert source that interpreted it. TFD (talk) 20:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @The Four Deuces So should we remove the demographic paragraphs sourced to the US census from all US place articles? Such as East Brooklyn, Connecticut? There are tens of thousands of such paragraphs. Kk.urban (talk) 20:22, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That article seems fine because it just summarizes what's in the census table. You might want to added something like "according to the U.S. Census," to make it clear it's what they say based on their research and methodology.
 * HIstorically, the Census distinguished whites from Hispanics. This had the curious result of classifying Spanish as Hispanic and Brazilians as white. This leaves us with two policy based approaches: present the data and attribute it to the Census or provide commentary sourced to reliable secondary sources. TFD (talk) 21:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @The Four Deuces In the case of that article, it lists all the racial categories inclusive of Hispanics/Latinos, as well as the total percent of Hispanics/Latinos. I'm not entirely sure when you mean by "historically", but in the 2000, 2010, and 2020 censuses, Hispanics and Latinos are included within whichever racial category they choose, although the Census Bureau also releases tables that exclude Hispanics/Latinos from the racial categories. I suppose I will just go with the approach on that page, as it seems to be the most prevalent approach on Wikipedia. Kk.urban (talk) 21:40, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You are misremembering, the Census Bureau has never distinguished (Non-Hispanic) Whites from Hispanics for just race statistics. It is the press that widely uses the cross-tabulated dataset of Hispanic and Race to report on demographic change, which contributes to confusion around US race classifications. Hispanics have always been classed under whatever racial group they self-identify under ever since Hispanic origin (or Spanish indicators in the 1970 census) has been tracked. Usually this is either White or Some other race (norminally the proxy for Mestizo). Tweedle (talk) 23:40, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

== How do I create a Wikipedia page. I am an author and, aside from my website and reviews of specific books, I do not have an official Wikipedia bio. Can you help me create one? My website is patriciabeardbooks.Com. Thank you! ==

Does this mean, create text? Patricia D Beard (talk) 02:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear Patricia. I don't mean to be rude, but consider this: if your work fit within Wikipedia's notability criteria, someone else would have already made an article about you. The fact that you are the first and only person to think "I should have a Wikipedia page written about me" suggests that you probably shouldn't.
 * Please don't take that personally - that isn't to say your work isn't important and meaningful to many people, in the real world. We just have to keep certain guidelines in place which keep Wikipedia from becoming overrun with tens of millions of autobiographies of folks who very well may be fascinating people, but aren't "notable" in the sense that there's not a strong public desire for personal information about them. I hope you understand. Feel free to ask any additional questions here. Pecopteris (talk) 03:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I suggest you take a look at WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Fabrickator (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If it is intended not to be rude then I would suggest instead of "real" use overwhelming as real is subjective and overwhelming has a sense of quantity.2603:8000:D300:3650:2C8D:88C2:3EE3:1E5A (talk) 03:53, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Could someone explain how the following is grammatically correct in any form of English?
"They left London on January 1900"2603:8000:D300:3650:2C8D:88C2:3EE3:1E5A (talk) 03:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are referring to this edit I believe it was reverted because it also deleted the space between "in" and "January" so probably the editor who reverted just saw the change as deleting a space. You could have re-appled the edit, with the missing space added back in, with an edit summary explaining the mistaken revert. (I've done so now.)
 * You can also feel free to post on the editor's talk page (pinging, in this case) or the article's talk page if you feel the edit is harder to explain in an edit summary. I have mistakenly reverted a small number of edits and I've always appreciated it when the editor I've reverted either fixes it with a useful edit summary or let me known. Hope this helps. Skynxnex (talk) 04:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi! (I'm the editor),
 * Firstly, don't worry. All changes on Wikipedia can be restored and moved around. I will, however, explain what I did on your edit. Your edit was flagged as "Likely Vandalism" which by itself already raises red flags as the system is very rarely incorrect (there are thousands of edits every hour so it would be impossible through look through all that without such system).
 * When I got to your edit, I saw the "inJanuary", and I must admit my mistake here, which is that I missread the edit changes as a change from "in January" to "inJanuary" (a space blanking), and not as it actualy was: "on January" to "inJanuary". I must also explain the warning being a style warning (versions of English) and not a vandalism or disruptive editing warning. When I check recent changes, I try to avoid using vandalism warnings as they might scare off a good editor so I always try to go for a style or lack of citations warning, I am aware of some editors in the past that have reduced spacing between words (or in a case, deleted spacing by removing hyphonation) because of their version of English so I believed the best warning was a use of english warning.
 * Regardless, I will clarify that it is 100% my fault and if I had not made that mistake reading the edit changes this would not have happened. Of course, thank you very much for contributing to Wikipedia. Also, thanks @Skynxnex for picking up on the mistake and fixing it! Lakwat (talk) 04:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Question
Do you think this artitoo soon? Lindsay Brewer is Wp:toosoon? 2607:FB91:386:4E2:AD2:DC57:4F1E:9D91 (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks like there are a bunch of different sources that have talked about this person. I don't see any merit to considering its removal, if that's what you're suggesting. Pecopteris (talk) 06:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Please, approve this draft
Can someone aprove this draft? Please Draft:Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (soundtrack), it has everything to be approved 190.21.183.16 (talk) 09:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. You have submitted it for review. There are over 4000 drafts waiting for review. Please be patient. ColinFine (talk) 09:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Why do some articles not have page previews?
For example, on the article Cochabamba, when hovering over a link to the article Pampa, it only shows the image File:SerraGeralI.jpg with no text. Is this because it is a redirect to Pampas, or because something is missing from the page (or something else)?

LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 12:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello LOOKSQUARE! That Page Preview was blank for me too, so I took a look & noticed the page was using a Coord template (which places the coordinates at the top right of an article). I remembered in the past seeing that template was supposed to be placed either in the infobox or way down below, after references I believe. So I wondered if that was the issue. Checking other pages that used the Coord template & I noticed they displayed the Page Preview fine, except Tropic of Capricorn. Examining that page revealed it also placed the Coord template right at the top above the main body of the article & infobox, whereas the working ones placed it in the infobox. So I took the chance & moved the Coord template in Pampa to the infobx & sure enough it fixed the issue. Leaving Tropic of Capricorn unchanged at the moment as an example of the problem for this discussion, it should at some point be fixed by moving the Coord template to the infobox though. Take care, LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 14:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Now I know how to fix this issue. :) LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 14:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I would like know What is wrong creating TurkBinge
TurkBinge is already being contributors on authentic sources to make wikipedia and what it been wrong left TurkBinge? Samra Kousar (talk) 14:52, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The article was unambiguously promotional, and notability was not established either. Describing a topic using unsubstantiated puffery such as "generously contributed", "sets itself apart", "invaluable resource", "growing recognition" and so on, is unacceptable for an encylopedia article.
 * I recommend you create it as a draft and submit it for review rather than attempting to publish it in article space yourself. See Articles for creation and follow the instructions. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:57, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is so very completely understandable thing __ I will ask my mentor and thanks for clarifications, But how can I get access to articles what i created?  Samra Kousar (talk) 15:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Unambiguously promotional articles don't get restored by request. You have to start over. As I suggested, do it in draft space, without promotional language. That will give you time to make the article better without having to worry about someone coming along and deleting it. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:09, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Publications section and external links
Hi, would appreciate advice on this one. I'm looking at the long list of publications in the article Cat Palmer. About half of these are external links. I'm thinking of deleting the whole section per WP:EL and, more generally, because the list does not add anything useful to the article. Does this seem reasonable to others? I realise the article has other issues to do with tone and sourcing, but am just looking at this section at the moment. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 21:50, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , my preference would be, yes, get rid of most of them. And while you're there, if you feel up to it, you could put the rest in chronological order, not reverse chronological order: this is an encyclopedia, not a CV/resumé. Maproom (talk) 07:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I took an axe to it and cut out irrelevant, redundant, and unsourced material. There are still assertions that need citations, but I am skeptical that the subject is notable outside of the Salt Lake City area, in which case it would be a candidate for deletion. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, both. Tacyarg (talk) 18:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Why am I getting this error when trying to submit my edit to the page Diacritic?
I am trying to edit the page Diacritic, specifically the section §Diacritics that do not produce new letters, and I receive the error "Unable to fetch Parsoid HTML".

This is my edit:

"A few English words, often when used out of context, especially in isolation, can only be distinguished from other words of the same spelling by using a diacritic or modified letter. These include exposé, lamé, maté, öre, øre, résumé and rosé. In a few words, diacritics that did not exist in the original have been added for disambiguation, as in maté (from Sp. and Port. mate), saké (the standard Romanization of the Japanese has no accent mark), and Malé (from Dhivehi މާލެ), to clearly distinguish them from the English words mate, sake, and male."Why am I getting this error? LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 17:02, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I believe that the error is to do with the software underlying Mediawiki, and has absolutely nothing to do with the content of your edit. If it persists, please ask at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 17:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 17:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * However, I was able to save the edit in my Sandbox just fine, so could it be something with the page? LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 17:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @LOOKSQUARE I made the precise edit you placed here, without problems. I used the source editor and only edited into the relevant section of the article, if that had something to do with the issue. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Matthew Goodwin again
I previously asked a question at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1197#Matthew_Goodwin and was asked to provide sources but never got a response. I've been told to discuss sources on the article talk page but not had a response there either. Now all of the material based on reviews of Goodwin's work has been deleted from the article. Why is it seemingly not allowed for an article to contain (positive and negative) reaction to an academic's work? 148.252.128.55 (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello. I can understand your frustration. I had a brief look at the Matthew Goodwin page history. I see that someone recently removed over 15,000 bytes, most of which was, I assume, written by you. My first reaction to this is that 15,000 bytes is an awful lot of space to dedicate to book reviews. I scanned the text that was removed, and one thing that popped out to me was lengthy quotes. While these aren't strictly prohibited, it may be the case that other editors at the Matthew Goodwin page have stylistic concerns with walls of text that large being dedicated to lengthy quotes from reviews of Goodwin's work.
 * My advice - reach out directly, in good faith, to the people who are reverting you. If you feel that the perspectives you offered are vital for inclusion in the article, I'd suggest trimming them down, very significantly. Stick to a format of "notable book reviewer John Doe described Goodwin's work as 'important'". A few key words from the review, not full sentences or paragraphs.
 * In general, my recommendation is to always hash these things out on talk pages, and to reach out to editors directly if they're not engaged on the article's talk page. However, please don't be mean or confrontational.
 * I hope this addresses your concern. Pecopteris (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've asked the user who deleted it (I didn't write it all). I just don't understand why we wouldn't include reviews of someone's work published in national newspapers and written by prominent people including a former government minister. 148.252.128.42 (talk) 23:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's modus operandi is to summarise what reliable sources say, not to quote them verbatim at great length, which in any case could lead to copyright problems. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 03:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like the editor that removed your content had exactly the concern I thought they might have - the quotes are not necessarily unworthy of inclusion altogether, they are simply far too long, and it's unencyclopedic to dedicate half of the encyclopedia entry to them. My advice: try trimming each quote down to a one sentence summary, and add, at most, three of them to the article. Then see how editors react. Pecopteris (talk) 03:48, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK I can reduce the use of quotations. I thought it was best to let the sources speak but I can paraphrase and summarize. But I asked Diannaa and she said "We don't normally include book reviews at all in the article about the author" so now I'm confused again. Why wouldn't we include the critical reception of an author's work? Especially when the sources pass comment on the author's politics, not just the content of the work. And if this sort of content isn't allowed then what is J._K._Rowling? 148.252.132.217 (talk) 08:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Pecopteris, could you take a look at my attempt to summarize the sources with fewer quotes and provide me feedback? 148.252.132.217 (talk) 14:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As I pointed out at Diannaa's talk, even after Diannaa's cleanup, the page reads like a promotional personal website. The differences between what is at Goodwin and what is at Rowling are somewhat obvious. Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  16:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The editor has now added circa 800 words of quotations from reviews in a new section called "Reception", which is better than before, but not by much in my opinion. I don't appreciate the forum shopping either. — Diannaa (talk) 16:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Guys, I'm so confused. I added summaries of largely critical reviews of Goodwin's work and this has been removed in the name of making the article less promotional. Diannaa says above that I added 800 words of quotations but this is simply untrue. After the recommendations I got above, those words were mostly my summaries of the sources. All of the critical sources have now been removed. The article might as well have been written by Goodwin now, apart from the bit about the National Conservatism Conference, which is the only part to reflect the huge amounts of criticism of his agenda that are out there. 84.66.89.167 (talk) 21:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

enhance article for Wikipedia.
Hello, can you tell how can I make this article accepted?

Here is the link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aksam_Alyousef. Aksam Alyousef (talk) 15:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Aksam Alyousef Please refer to the comments left by the reviewer. From your username and the content of the draft, it appears that you have been trying to write an autobiography. That is strongly discouraged for the reasons mentioned at the link I have supplied. It is unlikely that anyone will be able to help you get the draft accepted but if you wish to persist I suggest cutting it to 10% of its current length and focus on showing how you meet our notability criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Does this mean that it is better for someone else to write for me? Aksam Alyousef (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes and no You have to declare that you are close or in your case are the subject but just know that having an article about your self isn't always a good thing. Shadow 345110   (talk)  20:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Aksam Alyousef, writing "for" somebody may have various meanings; but I have trouble thinking of any meaning of "for" such that it would be a good idea for somebody to write an article here "for" you. Just wait until somebody who has no relationship to you is in a mood to write a disinterested draft about you, of course based on reliable sources. This may take one, five or ten years. Wikipedia is in no hurry. -- Hoary (talk) 21:42, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

recover lost research
i wondered if it would be possible to recover lost wiki browsing and research from a couple years ago. i can provide some parallel items that would help admins identifiy me in logs. it is certainly gone on my end. Huckletoid (talk) 21:37, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You have made the edit immediately above, and have edited the subsequently deleted Draft:Gillette Thunder Speedway. That's all. Wikipedia has no record of what you may have read. -- Hoary (talk) 21:53, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Made a translation, do I have to make another import request?
Hello,

I've recently made a German translation of the wikipedia page of one of my favourite bands, MUNA (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Migentelatino/Muna_(Band) ). I did it on my own, therefore I didn't use any machine translation etc. This is the first time I've done this, so I had to learn how to use the editor first, therefore I didn't publish it as a translation in the tool, but on my user page (then fixing my translation and the layout a bit).

I got an automated message yesterday saying my translation was added to the German "import requests" page (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Importw%C3%BCnsche), and I needed to confirm that I didn't infringe on any copyright laws and adhered to all licenses, which I did in a short sentence. Still, I don't know if my page will be added as a translation, or whether I need to make another import request manually or copy the page and submit it in the "Content Translation" tool. How would this work normally / how should I proceed? Migentelatino (talk) 19:02, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Migentelatino As you are intending that your translation end up in the German-language Wikipedia, you need to ask there about any problems you are having. The general considerations for translating from English articles are given at WP:TRANSLATEUS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Migentelatino Maybe try https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fragen_zur_Wikipedia. This is where they seem to answer questions. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 19:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice! I will try that. Migentelatino (talk) 00:10, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

about adding on the biography
I want to add some links and information on the one of the biography. how do i that so no delete later ? Madhavsharmanpl (talk) 23:42, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Madhavsharmanpl - Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you talking about Ram Prasad Khanal? Please note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a collection of links. Read External links for more information. Additions, especially those to biographies, should be sourced to reliable, secondary sources. Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information - rather, we want to have articles that discuss more "big picture" things about a person. A list of various sites is unlikely to be useful to our readers. casualdejekyll  00:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Can you take a look at this article
I would be interested in knowing if Draft:Equiratings still needs to be improved? 2607:FB91:386:4E2:AD2:DC57:4F1E:9D91 (talk) 14:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Draft:EquiRatings 2607:FB91:386:4E2:AD2:DC57:4F1E:9D91 (talk) 14:49, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems to have this undisclosed paid template at top, likely referring to Paid-contribution disclosure. I added the advert template. Cwater1 (talk) 02:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

The Fribley Stone
Hello - I'm trying craft a reference for my submission "The Fribley Stone". I tried adding a reference but it apparently went in as an invisible draft. Can you help me? So many choices for reference templates.

User:Mail11325 Mail11325 (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "No refs means no potential as an article. Suggest you practice formatting refs in your Sandbox, then copying to draft. David notMD (talk) 21:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

--TheLonelyPather (talk) 21:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The <-- and --> made the ref content invisible, but I deleted it bacause it did not link to a URL. David notMD (talk) 21:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct now. Reinstated with correct syntax 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * however, the url linked to seems unavailable. I suspect the Fribley Stone to be a hoax 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * And deleted as such. David notMD (talk) 02:28, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Gross of movie
In the Fantastic Four (2005 film) it says that the budget is between 85$ and 100$, which one is it?? 190.21.183.16 (talk) 09:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please direct concerns about a specific article to its article talk page- but perhaps the only information available to be sourced is the range the budget falls within. If you have more specific information with a citation, please offer it there.  331dot (talk) 09:28, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user. That entry in the infobox is cited to two sources, one of which says $100 million and the other says $87.5 million. Nobody here is better placed than you are to decide which is more authoritative. ColinFine (talk) 09:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

can somebody help me? how do I find out if my wife already moved assets to her name and has already filed fo r divorce?
can somebody help me? how do I find out if my wife already moved assets to her name and has already filed fo r divorce? 2603:6011:6701:525F:3185:60AF:122E:13C7 (talk) 09:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the teahouse, where we try to answer questions people have about using Wikipedia. Your question is about something very different and can't be answered here. -- Hoary (talk) 09:44, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

MOS:FLAGS
Hello,

I am currently reviewing Chelsea F.C. 2–4 Bradford City A.F.C. which has been nominated at WP:GA and I wanted to ask about the application of MOS:FLAGS in relation to the match details section. I've seen other articles with and without flag icons so thought it best to find out what feedback I should be providing in the review before I do. My main concern is that the players aren't representing their respective countries when they play for their club so I'm unsure if it is an appropriate use of flag icons or not. Any feedback you can provide would be much appreciated. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 19:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, the flags guidance on Manual of Style/Icons is not part of the Good article critera, which only covers a small subset of the manual of style. The only way it would affect the review outcome would be if the nominator could not provide a source for the countries.
 * If you want to offer the additional feedback anyway, you would get a more informed response from the Manual of Style's talk page: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style
 * Good luck with the review, Rjjiii (talk) 06:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help, I always want to give as full feedback as I can even if it doesn't actually affect the GA process (it also helps me as I have a few of these pages that I've edit). Will ask there as you've suggested. Thanks again, Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Google Scholar
Is Google Scholar a good tool for finding reliable studies? Should I trust everything that shows up on there? Will low-quality studies come up? ABeeperPerhaps (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @ABeeperPerhaps, good question! Google Scholar will generally turn up higher-quality sources than just doing a straight Google search. I imagine that there are still some lower-quality sources that might show up there, so it's always a good idea to get a bit of a sense of what the source is. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 01:50, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah Predatory journals will sometimes appear in a google scholar search, predatory journals tend to be unreliable (due to them publishing anything submitted for a fee). Lavalizard101 (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Correcting a birthdate and changing a photo
My name is Christopher Britton (actor) and the birthdate on my Wiki page is incorrect. It should read  December 23rd, 1948   I would like to upload a more recent photo. BTW I am finding this quite complicated to do this. Christopher Britton Dennis Vine (talk) 02:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Dennis Vine (talk) 02:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * See WP:A picture of you for details on uploading a photo of yourself. As for getting your birthdate corrected, I suggest you post a request to that effect on the article talk page.  Be sure to provide a WP:reliable source for your birthdate! Fabrickator (talk) 03:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * An off-topic question: If you are Christopher Britton, why did you choose the name username "Dennis Vine"? Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 11:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I can imagine a reason why: privacy. casualdejekyll  14:57, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not doubting them, but they did already say that they were Mr. Burton, so privacy from what exactly? Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 12:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Campaignboxes in french
Hello. I was just about to add an englsih wikipedia campaignbox to the French Wiki. But then I realized that it still had "hide" at the top right. It probably isn’t a big issue. I just wanted to ask if there was a French Wikipedia campaignbox 80.209.216.81 (talk) 12:49, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's probably best to ask at The French Wikipedia help desk. Theroadislong (talk) 14:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks for the answer anyways. Reman Empire (talk) 14:09, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

How to make a user page
Dear all I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to kindly follow up on the status of my Wikipedia profile page's publication. As per my previous communication, I have made sure to include all the necessary information, verified references, and reliable sources to ensure the accuracy and authenticity of the content. Understanding the high demand on your time and the various responsibilities you manage, I would like to express my sincere appreciation for your dedication to maintaining the quality of Wikipedia content. I am eager to know if there are any additional steps required on my end or any suggestions you might have to expedite the publication process. I understand that your efforts contribute significantly to the reliability and credibility of Wikipedia as a platform for accurate information. Please know that I am available to address any questions or concerns you may have regarding my profile page. Thank you for your continued commitment, and I am looking forward to your response regarding the status of my Wikipedia profile page. Best regards, Farzad Pak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Farzad_Pak Farzad Pak (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I just moved this here as an independent section because this user went in to my question and asked his. He apparently thinks a user page is like an article. Reman Empire (talk) 13:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems like you, like many others, don't understand what Wikipedia is.
 * It isn't social media. It isn't a place to write about yourself. You certainly don't have a "profile" here.
 * If you are notable, then someone else will write an article about you.
 * Your userpage is for telling people about you as a Wikipedia editor – take mine for an example. It only says things about my views etc. on Wikipedia, and nothing else. It is not an article about me.
 * I suggest you abandon any project to write about yourself and move on to other things. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Farzad Pak.
 * You may be thinking that Wikipedia articles are like people's profiles on social media websites. That is not the case. Wikipedia articles are encyclopaedic articles about a subject: the subject must meet the strict notability criteria, must have secondary independent references to cite each statement, and must be written in a non-promotional neutral point of view. Here are some policies that relate to this:
 * Notability (people)
 * Verifiability
 * Neutral point of view
 * It is highly discouraged from writing an autobiographical article about yourself, as you have a clear conflict of interest. See the following two policies:
 * Autobiography
 * Conflict of interest
 * If you meet the notability criteria mentioned above, a Wikipedia volunteer will at some point write an article about you.
 * Hope that helps, but let us know if you have any specific questions.  Qcne  (talk)  15:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Making a Wikipedia page
How do I start a Wikipedia page? And is sandbox where you make one? StrawberryChi&#39;sCake (talk) 15:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @StrawberryChi'sCake - We have lots of pages, but I'm assuming that what you're really asking is how to create an article. Thankfully, we have a whole page about how to write your first article, which you might find helpful. casualdejekyll  15:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Do I have to make a article that hasn't been created yet? StrawberryChi&#39;sCake (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. But you can expand already created pages. NotAGenious (talk) 15:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What makes a good article? Because I'm having trouble with the page Im trying to write up. StrawberryChi&#39;sCake (talk) 15:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I usually have The perfect article open when writing. But once again, I'd start with Help:Your first article NotAGenious (talk) 15:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @StrawberryChi'sCake - The criteria for a Good Article are located at the page Good article criteria, but I suspect you're talking more generally. I would recommend you read the General notability guideline and verifiability policy, but to sum it up - articles must be based on citations to reliable sources, and in order to qualify for an article, a standard which we call "notability", the article must have multiple independent reliable sources with significant coverage. casualdejekyll  15:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, you may be interested in WikiProject Books. casualdejekyll  15:41, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @StrawberryChi'sCake,
 * I would recommend starting with completing other improvements, like the ones listed at Task Center. Other than that, Help:Your first article has what you're looking for.
 * Requested articles has some articles you can start writing. To get started, your subject has to be notable (Notability) and the article needs reliable sources (simplified at The answer to life, the universe, and everything).
 * Happy editing, you got this! NotAGenious (talk) 15:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you want to write an article, you should create a draft with the Article Wizard and submit it for review through the Articles for Creation process. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Adding images not on Wikimedia to userboxes
Hello! I'm trying to make some of my own userboxes. I've found the template page and have successfully added a couple pre-made boxes to my userpage, but I can't find any solutions for what I'm trying to do here specifically.

Userboxes generally have an ID box and a content box, and I'm trying to add an image from my phone to the ID box. I've tried writing "ID = Image:[link to image I'm trying to use here]", but all it shows is the file name.

Am currently editing from Firefox for iOS.

Hope I'm doing this correctly! Thank you! Darubyprincxx (talk) 03:50, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "from my phone". Have you uploaded an image to Wikimedia Commons from your phone? That would be the first step. It's bit wonky of a process and you'll have to release your image under a Creative Commons license. Could you give a bit more information on what stage you're stuck on? Rjjiii (talk) 06:38, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * To be clear,, you cannot display any image here on the English Wikipedia that has not previously been uploaded either to Wikimedia Commons or to the English Wikipedia. There is no other option. Cullen328 (talk) 07:29, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This answers my question, thank you. Darubyprincxx (talk) 16:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * , are you planning to work to improve any of Wikipedia's articles? -- Hoary (talk) 09:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

New here - in the middle of a discussion
Hi all,

I would appreciate it if you guys directed me at the right direction. I am trying to edit this article: Abu Hanifa Dinawari

I am in the middle of having an honest discussion with this user User:HistoryofIran but they are a bit harsh on me, I am guessing they do not like my edit. Even though I have many resources for my edit, they immediately accuse me of disruptive behavior.

Would you please guide me what the best approach is to continue this discussion without me getting banned by them?

Thanks a lot in advance. Tekosh (talk) 03:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not care what someone's ethnicity is. Sometimes users will be very passionate about a certain ethnicity, and they'll try to change articles to argue about what ethnicity someone is. People who try to promote a cause are not allowed on Wikipedia, and that includes people trying to promote recognition of an ethnicity. There are lot of users who cause trouble like this, so sometimes people will get frustrated when they see it happening again. Thebiguglyalien  ( talk ) 04:46, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello,,. According to Kurds, . Therefore, trying to assign definitive Kurdish identity to someone like Abu Hanifa Dinawari, who died in 895, several hundred years earlier, is dubious. As for, that editor is very experienced and knows Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines very well. I suggest that you try to learn from them. Cullen328 (talk) 07:25, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tekosh: I am not being harsh - that edit was indeed disruptive. What else do you call this? You altered sourced information because it didn't fit your POV . You even changed the direct quote of two authors, adding "Kurdish" into it. Back in October 2022, you were also warned to refrain from promoting a nationalist point of view by an admin, who blocked you after making this nice comment towards me, which was your very first interaction with me. At Dilan Yeşilgöz-Zegerius, you also recently attempted to add "Kurdish" into the lede  , despite it having no relevance (MOS:ETHNICITY) for this Dutch politician, who is also half Turkish and born in Turkey. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:00, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am of course learning to edit the most efficient way on Wikipedia. Thanks for all your helps. About your comment on Kurds, it's not entirely correct. Here's a source from when Ibn Wahshiyya mentions Kurds during 9th century. There are many more resources for this, if you're interested. It's in fact more dubious if you call him Persian. It's just plain wrong. I am here on Wikipedia to stop Persian's appropriation against Kurds.
 * https://ekurd.net/kurdish-nation-ancient-alphabets-2020-10-07 Tekosh (talk) 16:27, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It just doesn't matter. Ethnicity isn't all that important. Wikipedia doesn't need to include it, even if it is 100% correct. You need to accept this and move on. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As I said I am new so please bear with me a bit. I don't understand this part "Wikipedia does not care what someone's ethnicity is". Is that actually true? By not caring, are you implying people can just write whatever they wish even if wrong?
 * Abu Hanifa Dinawari was clearly born in a Kurdish town inside the borders of the Kurdish regions. That's just universal map, I didn't make it up. Then how can he be Persian? The article is clearly wrong. And the resources they put doesn't clearly mention that he was Persian. They have guesses that he was Persian but no reliable resources clearly proves this.
 * Thanks again. Tekosh (talk) 16:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , no, the truth is that peoples' ethnicity doesn't matter. In almost every case, it is irrelevent. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:19, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The fact is that peoples' ethnicity doesn't matter. As Thebiguglyalien said, Wikipedia does not care what someone's ethnicity is. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:17, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * My friend, it matters in our case. Persians have been trying an intense appropriation against Kurds. We, Kurds, have been suppressed badly that's why we haven't been able to fix things. We are trying to take back what is ours. There are many things that Persian will claim as their but it's actually wrong. And I have started to use my reliable resources to correct these mistakes. Abu Hanifa Dinawari is one example. I just started editing, so I have made mistakes at the beginning but I am learning how to approach things. I am trying to bring Kurds to Wikipedia and help their recognition better. Tekosh (talk) 16:19, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't the place to right great wrongs. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sister/Brother, you totally make no sense. As a scientist who understands logic very well, I can't understand what you're trying to say. But thanks for pitching in and trying to help. Tekosh (talk) 16:29, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * What I'm saying is that Wikipedia isn't the place to help ethnic groups, or to . Try an advocacy group. Wikipedia is just an encyclopedia.  Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're making it worse :). Have a good day!
 * Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia Tekosh (talk) 16:44, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * How am I making "it" worse? Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:45, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You clearly don't know what Wikipedia is about. I shared a WIKIPEDIA article with you on why you're making it worse.
 * Good day sir. Tekosh (talk) 16:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You linked to an essay about Wikipedia culture and community.
 * Ethnicity isn't important. You need to move on.
 * Good day, Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 16:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

What are the most pressing problems on English Wikipedia?
Hi everyone. Not exactly a new editor here. I've been on the fringes of the Wikimedia projects since around 2006, just never a part of the "community". I've just recently taken a very strong renewed interest in this project, and I was able to recover this old account from 2008-09.

My question is this: what are 3-5 problems on English Wikipedia that are the most in need of pressing attention? How can a reasonably well-versed editor who's been out of the game for over a decade get involved in addressing these problems in a meaningful and constructive way? Pecopteris (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * My biggest pet peeves are one liner stubs and articles with extremely poor citations that look to be mostly oral history. To fix those, we just need to not continue to add unreferenced claims. Seems basic, but I've seen articles with no citations collecting dust under the references header for over 13 years with info still getting added to the body. Also, adding citations is always nice.
 * A more minor annoyance of mine is smaller design stuff like using a template in the wrong place or bolding instead of using heading code. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  21:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Check out Cleanup - there is a huge amount of articles with maintenance tags, many stretching back over a decade. I find the edit suggestions on Special:Homepage a useful way to be directed to articles with maintenance tags.
 * 2) There's also a large backlog on Articles for creation which means new drafts are sometimes taking over four months to be reviewed. If you meet the criteria you could think of volunteering to be a reviewer?  Qcne  (talk)  21:42, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The best way to help is to find a task that you enjoy doing and work on that. Check out WP:BACKLOG for some areas of Wikipedia that need some help.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's what I see:
 * Rafts of poorly-written/unnotable/unsourced/promotional biographies swamping Articles for Creation and New Pages Patrol – AfC has a backlog of 4.3 K drafts needing review; NPP has 9.2 K unreviewed articles and 12.2 K unreviewed redirects (and rising).
 * Vandalism
 * Lack of sourcing and general unreliability
 * Bad writing, bare URLs, and general sloppiness
 * Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 15:32, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that all of those are problems. Especially AfC and bad writing. I'll see what I can do. Thanks. Pecopteris (talk) 15:54, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just note that you currently have 344 mainspace edits and 738 total edits so you might not be qualified for some things. You might also still want to take a minute to learn Wikipedia's policies as they have changed since this account has last edited. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  17:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Short films
Hello, i was wondering if there is a reliable source of all the independant short films that exists. I was told by a Rotten Tomatoes writer that they dont add short films, but i would need a reliable source to be able to add some short films in my wiki drafts Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Veganpurplefox, I'm not sure there's a single reliable source that could be used as a citation for any possible short film. Short films, like longer films, need to demonstrate notability (see WP:NFILM) in order to merit an article. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 01:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have all of these sources but idk which one i could use or not: https://www.ilearnlot.com/more-hate-than-fear/6065/
 * https://www.filmfest-emden.de/en/program/films-a-z/more-hate-than-fear/
 * https://en.kinorium.com/2432227/
 * https://www.we-heart.com/2016/05/10/molly-manning-walker-interview/
 * https://berlingraffiti.de/2017/07/23/more-hate-than-fear-short-film/
 * https://cvltnation.com/hate-fear-showing-now/
 * https://www.mtn-world.com/en/blog/2017/07/21/more-hate-than-fear-the-short-film-that-reflects-upon-a-writers-time-in-prison/
 * https://systemboys.net/en/more-hate-than-fear-short-film/
 * https://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/36570/1/why-do-graffiti-writers-get-sent-to-prison-for-so-long Veganpurplefox (talk) 02:00, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello,, I am seeing database entries, an interview, and some coverage that appears to be generated by press releases, as can be seen in the strong simililarity in the phrasing between sources. What I do not see is significant coverage of the film in reliable sources that are independent of the topic, and those are the type of sources required to demonstrate notability. Cullen328 (talk) 07:10, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, I've tried reaching out to these types of reliable sources but they don't answer back so I don't know if they will ever write that kind of articles Veganpurplefox (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Please someone help me, please!!
Hello everyone, I am here to ask for help about how can I get back into my facebook account? I can't log in even my email and password are correctly entered which is asking to confirm identity and I don't have neither access of email or phone number any longer, is there any ways to get back my account without confirm ID? I’ve been trying all of possibilities from facebook help center and many googling’s probablities, here might be my last hope, I believe someone here must have been faced this problem and already passed that situation through a difficut time. Please somebody help me, I really need to get my account account back😭😭, I have some of my information in it even useful for life, may the God bless y'all whoever reading my this asking help message, please help me someone.🙏🙏 Mockie Rock (talk) 17:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mockie Rock, this is a page for getting help editing Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not Facebook and has no connection to Facebook, so we cannot help you get back into your account. Best wishes, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:12, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to say this but your situation sounds nigh hopeless. Just with what I know from Wikipedia and getting into accounts in general, it does not sound like it is possible to get into your account as you are missing a piece of info. I feel like it might be best just to cut your losses and make a new account. ✶Mitch  199811  ✶  18:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Plagiarism at Global Geospace Science
I noticed that the article Global Geospace Science, at least its lead section, appears to be an almost-verbatim copypaste of this NASA paper, and I wouldn't be surprised if the other section is also a copypaste because of its unwikilike form (although it could just be the work of a novice editor). I'm not experienced with dealing with copyvios or plagiarism here, but my understanding is that this would ordinarily be a G12 speedy deletion. However, since this is a NASA paper, with the authors' attributed affiliation being the Goddard Space Flight Center, this would make the paper be in the public domain, as a work created by US government employees during the course of their work, right? And so WP:CN isn't the right place for this. I read through WP:Plagiarism but didn't really get a clear picture on what to do, as this isn't just a little bit that's been plagiarized, but half of the article has been copied. I'm not interested in rewriting the article to a better standard, but don't want to leave this entirely ignored; is there some template that I can put up that'll mark it as a non-copyright-violating copypaste needing work? – oatco (talk) 21:23, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia already has so very many terrible articles to which damning templates are appropriately but ineffectively attached that adding to these templates seems to have little or no effect. You could simply cut the plagiarized material; or you could distinguish it via quotation marks (for short passages) or block indentation (for longer ones). The result would probably be horrible but the onus wouldn't be on you to render it palatable. You could also bring up the matter at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy. -- Hoary (talk) 22:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a fair point, actually – I hadn't considered that. Inspecting the version history a bit more than a quick skim revealed that the plagiarized material is a recent introduction, from earlier this year, so I'll just bring back the version before that. (There's really nothing salvageable currently; we hardly want the whole article to be in a blockquote.) Say, is there some ready text somewhere that I can leave on that editor's talk page, along the lines of "thank you for editing Wikipedia, but I had to remove your edits at __ because it was a blatant copypaste, but you are welcome to edit again"? I've seen something like that here and there on talk pages and it seems to be about the same every time, so I'm wondering whether it's a template or common boilerplate or whether every editor has their own version. – oatco (talk) 22:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , Template:Uw-plagiarism, perhaps? (I found this via the very convenient Template index/User talk namespace.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:32, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That was exactly what I was looking for! I just happened to find Template index/User talk namespace this past minute myself, haha. Thanks for your help! – oatco (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * By the way, when such material is included in an article, it's often attributed by using Template:NASA (or some other attribution template) in the "References" section. Deor (talk) 14:19, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It can go unnoticed for years. Not everything is caught right away. Cwater1 (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Is this canvassing?
I recently received a new message on my talk page from User:Reman Empire (which I'm pretty sure I never interacted with before) that seemed pretty canvas-y.

It goes on about the "exaggeration of the economic situation of Wikipedia [...] in order to obtain funds", and "the misuse of the funds by WMF".

According to the nutshell explanation in WP:CANVAS, you should keep the message text neutral and don't preselect recipients according to their established opinions. I'm not sure if I was preselected, but that message text sure as hell isn't "neutral". Quick Quokka [⁠talk • contribs] 19:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Apologies for that, it will not happen again. Reman Empire (talk) 19:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, this has worried me somewhat. Reverting these edits. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 19:17, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I appreciate you guys listening to my comments, and taking action on it!
 * A lot of other people I know would have just pointed fingers and shifted the blame, so good on you!
 * Have a nice day, -- Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 19:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Page concern
Hello, I am working on a page I want to publish and not sure I am doing it right. I saved and published it several weeks ago but its not online ad I am not sure if I am missing a step here. Can you please advise what I need to do? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Dasha_Deckwerth&action=submit Priscilla2404 (talk) 11:52, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * -- Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 12:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Your draft is indeed published, but since you submitted it using the WP:AfC process, it has to go through review.
 * There are currently 0 other pages in the review backlog, so it may take some time for your article to be reviewed.
 * If you want to increase the odds of your draft getting reviewed faster, and/or categories.
 * Have a nice day! -- Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 12:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * - and if you want it to have a chance of being accepted when it is reviewed, you could add some references to reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of Deckworth. I don't see any there now. Maproom (talk) 13:03, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, . Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

It exists as Draft:Dasha Deckwerth. Drafts can be seen and edited once in Wikipedia, but are invisible to external search engines such as Google (In Wikipedia, "Publish' means save). your draft has been reviewed and declined. Keep working on it. David notMD (talk) 20:11, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

AfC Help Desk
I submitted some questions to the AfC Help Desk yesterday concerning the rejection of an article I had submitted. I did not save a copy of my questions; how can I retrieve and read what I posted? Johsebb (talk) 13:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You made a post there that is currently under the August 15 header there. Did you hava additional questions? If you had written other questions but they are not there, you will need to post them again. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. No, I don't have additional questions, but I did want to be able to reread what I wrote.  Where do I find the post? I'm afraid I'm not seeing it (I thought I was looking in obvious places). Johsebb (talk) 14:10, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It's the very first posting under the August 15 header. With the new layout you need to open the table of contents by clicking the symbol to the left of the page title. A direct link is WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk 331dot (talk) 14:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I gather the page you are referring to is the AfC page, the Help desk sub-page. Clicking on the hamburger to the left of the page title then gives me a list of dates, and I can choose 15 August.
 * The list of possible dates to choose is rather limited (at the moment, August 10-17). A week from now, I assume the range of dates will no longer include August 15.  What would I do then? Johsebb (talk) 20:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , the discussion will then be archived. You can search using your username to read the archived discussion, or you can start a new thread if you have new questions. Cullen328 (talk) 20:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * And where would I find archived discussions? Sorry, I'm afraid I'm finding Wikipedia rather opaque and unintuitive.
 * I note that the hamburger icon does not always appear when I go to the AfC page. I don't see anything else to search on. Johsebb (talk) 14:35, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Johsebb. At the top of the AFCHD page, under "Click here to ask a new question", I see three little links "Skip to today's questions", "Skip to the bottom", "Archived discussion".
 * If I pick "Archived discussions", it takes me to a page where archives are listed by date, and at the top there is a search box saying "Search the help desk archives"> ColinFine (talk) 11:21, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- that's helpful. It appears that the latest archived discussion is July 25.  I gather that I'll need to wait until a page has been created for August 15 in order to use this feature.  (Searching on my userid doesn't seem to work.)
 * For the moment I can look at my submission directly, using the link that was provided earlier in this thread. Johsebb (talk) 20:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

tips for writing/improving a ga-class article
hello there! i've been an inactive user on wikipedia for a couple of years, however i'd like to start contributing more to it 💕 i'd like some tips or resources on how to write or improve an article that is/to ga-class or higher. it'd be extremely helpful to have these tips on-hand instead of having to seek them out repeatedly :) thanks so much! PediaOS (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Welcome back to Wikipedia. Please refer to Good article criteria. The shortcut is WP:GACR. Cullen328 (talk) 20:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you!  talk 2 ped ia OS  20:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

creating an article
how to create an really good article i want to create article about thai boon roong twin tower world trade center please can you make it for me thank you Vojtik2009 (talk) 16:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

i dont know why but i want to create a good article about thai boon roong twin tower world trade center please can you make it for me thank you Vojtik2009 (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

i dont know why but i want to create an article about thai boon roong twin tower world trade center just do a google search and trust its something that should be on wikipedia please can you make it for me thank you Vojtik2009 (talk) 16:37, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Vojtik2009, we are all volunteers and cannot make an article for you. You can try creating it yourself; see Help:Your first article. But be aware that creating an article is a difficult task not recommended for newcomers just getting started. Best, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're also welcome to list it at Requested articles, although there is no guarantee it'll be taken up. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Vojtik2009 I see you have started: Draft:Thai boon roong twin tower world trade center. Now read WP:BACKWARD. Then see WP:TUTORIAL on how to add references correctly, this is essential. Here is one source you can use:. If you can find 2-3 more WP:RS like that and use them in your draft, you can probably make an acceptable Wikipedia article. It's up to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Do not resubmit until you have more content, and references. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Vojtik2009 Hello. I used to live in Asia, and I have spent time in Phnom Penh. It's a very cool and interesting place. Do you live there?
 * If you'd like me to help you write and submit your article, you can send me a message on my talk page. Good day. Pecopteris (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * FYI – if you check Vojtik2009's talk page you will see that the editor has been blocked due to vandalism. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

How to cite unpublished official documents?
I have scans of hard copies of official records like a passenger manifest or a building permit. How do I cite these? Wikigratia (talk) 21:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Wikigratia and welcome to the teahouse-- I am afraid that official records like a passenger manifest or a building permit are an example of primary sources. Wikipedia's policy regarding primary sources is that
 * Primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them.
 * As such, I am afraid that the unpublished official documents you mentioned cannot be used as references for an article. Thanks for your effort and good intention to keep articles referenced. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 21:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's a bit disappointing, but helpful. Wikigratia (talk) 23:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, Wikigratia, it's simpler than that: unpublished documents (official or not) may never be used as references. ColinFine (talk) 22:04, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I appreciate the guidance. Wikigratia (talk) 23:37, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

I received many, many notices about Sandbox
I received an enormous amount of messages from Wikipedia today about Sandbox. I have never seen that before. I would include a screenshot, but the system won't let me. Is there a department I should contact about this? Starlighsky (talk) 00:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Starlighsky. I don't see any messages on your talk page about your sandbox. (see its edit history here). If you could be more specific and link to one or more of those messages, we'll try and assist you. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I try to include a screenshot, but the system won't let me.
 * I am receiving notice of messages that seem to have been deleted.
 * It just seems something is wrong because I think it is about 20 messages about something unrelated to me. Starlighsky (talk) 01:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Travel guides for a city?
Hello, I'm back at the Teahouse once again to drink some tea. I want to improve the article "Morgan Hill, California" to B-class status; it is the first step I will take in order to promote it to GA status. However, I'm concerned with the sources I'm going to add to this article, including:
 * A travel guide
 * A local history book
 * The town's local newspaper (The Morgan Hill Times)

The travel guide has an editorial team, the local history book gathers local primary sources (old newspapers, other historical books, etc.) and is accompanied by photographs, and the local newspaper is neutral, secondary, and independent (as far as I know, I've only been here for a few months). Tarantula TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 04:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi TrademarkedTarantula, what is concerning you about these sources? If you are finding particular issues with the sources, then your intuition may be wise as to their quality. If this is a general question, travel guides are often a bit fluffy, but they're better than no source (I note much of Morgan Hill is unsourced) and a discerning editor can pick out the information which seems encyclopaedic. The local history book's reliability might depend on its publisher(s); the main question I have from your description is whether it is a book with commentary or simply a collection of local sources and photographs (in which case your source would presumably be the original primary source). Local newspapers are often used, with the same considerations as normal newspapers such as being wary of sponsored content and seeing if they distinguish fact and opinion sections. CMD (talk) 05:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Why can't this article from NYT added to the Epoch Times page?
NYT is a reliable source, yet this article has been removed many times: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/technology/epoch-times-influence-falun-gong.html from the Epoch Times wiki page: The Epoch Times Why? Bobby fletcher (talk) 07:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That is a 2020 article in the NYTimes that appears to have been added/deleted as a ref in the Epoch Times article, and discussed there on the ET Talk page, now archived. Options for you are to add content to the ET article, using the NYTimes as a ref (and see what happens), or else start a new discussion on the Talk page of ET. What you did - adding a comment to an archived discussion from 2020 - is unlikely to be seen by anyone. David notMD (talk) 09:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Glitch? in the article for Orthida
there is an issue with the temporal range for Orthida, it's not going all the way through the Permian, and instead stopping (gltching?) slightly before it ends, which, i tried to change but it's still like that (sorry for my wording). Abdullah raji (talk) 08:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have fixed it; the temporal range mentioned "Mid permian" instead of "Permian". Lectonar (talk) 09:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Abdullah raji (talk) 12:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Is content suitable for article?
Hello together,

Is the content of this article too promotional or can some of this be added to the Wikipedia article? 176.204.60.171 (talk) 12:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi again IP editor. I understand that you lost investments with Dadvan, but repeated and persistent attempts to alter this article to be more positive and promotional is heavily looked down upon.  Qcne  (talk)  12:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Quotations in Evan McKie
Hi, I'm wondering whether quotations from the subject of the article should be cut down in the article about Evan McKie. I thought there was a policy on length of quotations, but can't find it. Thanks, Tacyarg (talk) 12:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The lead section of an article is meant to summarise what follows. But the lead section of Evan McKie has more than twice as much text as the whole of the rest of the article. Maproom (talk) 12:34, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Quotations has some guidance. -- Jayron 32 13:10, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Page Sudmission declined
Hello, I tried to publish a wikipedia page about Beyond Vision, but it was declined for some unclear reasons. Draft:Beyond Vision Please, can someone help me? 2001:8A0:7C05:6F00:C53D:73CC:A99B:B5BE (talk) 08:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you be more specific?  The reviewer left the reason for their decline at the top of your draft.  I would note that if you work for this company, that needs to be disclosed, please see conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 08:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The reviewer left this comment:
 * This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. Nsbfrank (talk) 08:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. Do you have a more specific question about this reason? 331dot (talk) 08:37, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * How can I fix this problem before resubmitting? What about my publication seems like advertising, is it the linking to the company's website or the tables? Nsbfrank (talk) 08:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about a company and what it does. That's considered advertising or promotional here. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Put another way, Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself, only in what others completely unconnected with the company, and not based on materials from the company(like press releases or interviews) have chosen to say about the company and what makes it important/significant/influential. Please see Your First Article.
 * There is also some promotional language in the draft, like "solutions"(see WP:SOLUTIONS for an explanation of why that is problematic) and "innovative user-friendly platform". If something is "innovative", we need to know who says that other than the company itself.
 * As odd as it may sound, you actually have too many sources. You should concentrate on summarizing your three best sources with significant coverage.
 * Again, if you work for or are associated with this company, that needs to be disclosed, see conflict of interest and paid editing(note that "paid editing" means any form of paid relationship). 331dot (talk) 08:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have COI, and I choose to use this esteemed forum to make this article unbiased and speaks to facts without any form ofadvertising but more informative for wiki readersy. Therefore, I kindly solicit your help. Nsbfrank (talk) 09:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You must disclose your conflict of interest and/or paid relationship(again note that "paid editing" includes any paid relationship like employment). Disclosing paid editing is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory; you should do this in one of your next edits.
 * Wikipedia is not for merely providing information or facts. There is no such thing as an "unbiased forum", as all sources have biases. We present the sources to readers so they can evaluate and judge them for themselves. The best thing I can say to help you is that you should go on about the normal activities of your company and forget about writing a Wikipedia article about it- if your company truly meets the definition of a notable company, someone will eventually write about it.  There are also good reasons to not want an article about your company.
 * However, if you wish to proceed, you should essentially start over and determine what the three best independent sources are that, on their own, chose to write about your company and what they see as significant about it(not what the company sees as significant about itself). What are your three best sources? 331dot (talk) 09:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @331dot Thank you for your candid comment. I really appreciate your advice. As requested, here are the major sources
 * "Drone da Beyond Vision participa em simulacro no Porto de Aveiro". Security Magazine. 2022-02-16. Link ↩
 * "IOT Challenge - Edições anteriores | MEO Empresas". MEO. Link ↩
 * Chilkunda, Adarsh et al. "UAV-based Scenario Builder and Physical Testing platform for Autonomous Vehicles". 2023 6th Conference on Cloud and Internet of Things (CIoT). doi:10.1109/CIoT57267.2023.10084885. ↩
 * "Portuguese Navy Trials Beyond Vision UAV in Recovery and Resilience Plan". Link ↩
 * "Drones da Beyond Vision ajudam na produção de azeite". Agroportal. 2021-03-10. Link ↩
 * Nsbfrank (talk) 09:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Instructions to disclose have been provided on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Of the five sources above: 1 and 5 appear to be based on press releases, 2 give a 404 message, 3 is to a blank ChatGPT page, and 4 is to a page which does not mention Beyond Vision. If those are your three best sources, I hate to think what the other 35 are like. Please be aware that sources are judged by quality, not quantity. Maproom (talk) 12:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am sorry for the error. Here are the links.
 * https://www.securitymagazine.pt/2022/02/16/drone-da-beyond-vision-participa-em-simulacro-no-porto-de-aveiro/
 * https://www.agroportal.pt/drones-da-beyond-vision-ajudam-na-producao-de-azeite/
 * https://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/negocios/artigos/monitorizacao-da-agricultura-com-drones-e-smart-glasses-que-transmitem-a-visao-do-medico-vencem-iot-challenge
 * https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10084885 Nsbfrank (talk) 13:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Reverting an articles lead section
Hi everyone, I've been looking at this page's lead section. It has been edited in a way that information from dedicated sections have been duplicated here, not referenced properly and don't use a NPOV. I think this would warrant a revert and to add information to the article's talk page, however, I want to hear some opinions before proceeding with this.

Thanks in advance Danwordy (talk) 13:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Danwordy Based on this version I have a couple of comments. 1) WP:LEAD says that the lead should summarise the rest of the article, which implies that duplication is inevitable, yet the sentence starting In 2019, following an investigation by... is not mentioned at all in the body. 2) MOS:LEADCITE points out that (for the same reason) it is not always necessary to place citations in the lead, as they should be in the body text later: the exception being in biographies of living people, where citation is always required. So it is valid for you to suggest improvements on the Talk Page. I haven't checked whether you could revert to some earlier version where my concerns would be addressed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Mike, Thanks for the reply and for the information. I understand what you mean about duplication being inevitable and that would make sense if the previous editor had done it in a way that had built on a previous version of the lead section (22nd of July). Instead it appears they have deleted most of the previous lead section and literally copy and pasted paragraphs from other sections into the lead section. I think the version on the 22nd of July before the edits on the 16th of August were made reads better and more neutral and has the potential to have information added to it in a constructive way, what's your opinion? Danwordy (talk) 14:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Danwordy The July 22 version may read better but it lacks the vital information that the company was declared bankrupt in 2023, which IMO should certainly be there. The Teahouse is not really the best venue for this discussion, which you should take to the Talk Page of the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice and help Mike, I'll be sure to do that Danwordy (talk) 15:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

my article: feedback
Edbrig is a Global branding agency that offers specialized branding solutions for start-ups and small to medium-sized businesses. With international offices in India, U.S.A, and U.A.E.

As an International Agency, Edbrig provides a range of services, encompassing branding, advertising, communications, public relations, and more. catering to the diverse needs of its clientele.

Awards

2022

Sortlist by 'Best Branding Agency' Award in Miami

Design Rush recognized edbrig as one of the 'Best Package Design Agency’ in Florida, USA

UpCity featured edbrig in the ‘top 30 branding and design agencies’ in the USA

2023

The Manifest's list of ‘top 100 branding agencies’ in 2023

top 100 advertising agencies in India in 2023

‘Clutch’ acknowledged Edbrig's ‘proficiency in corporate branding’ Braanding (talk) 15:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Braanding your article has zero references. Every single statement in your article must be sourced, please see the policy: Verifiability.
 * But more importantly, I also do not think the company passes the Notability (organizations and companies) threshold. This means it cannot have an article at this time. Only companies that pass the strict criteria set out on that notability police can have a Wikipedia article.
 * Remember: Wikipedia is not a place for any type of self-promotion or advertisement. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia: not an advertising platform, directory, or a way to promote a subject. It is not a social media site like LinkedIn or Facebook.
 * Hope that helps,  Qcne  (talk)  16:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you so much for your feedback! I read the notability section right now, but it states that an agency for example to have page needs to be highlighted in a trustable source. what does that even mean? cause I keep getting flagged. but just more confused every time. so if you could please highlight the 3 main reasons why this agency can not have a wikipedia page at the moment, id really appreciate it! Braanding (talk) 16:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You don't need three reasons because failing WP:NCORP is enough for us not to have an article. Theroadislong (talk) 16:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, three reasons:
 * - the company does not pass the Notability (organizations and companies) criteria.
 * - the article has no sources. Sources must be 1) from reliable places and 2) be independent of the subject
 * - the article seems to exist only to promote the company. This is not permitted, please see What Wikipedia is not.  Qcne  (talk)  16:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Can I use Wikipedia Images in an Academic Paper?
I'm writing a paper on some work I did with the Allen model for temporal reasoning. I want to have some simple graphics that explain what the Allen model is and the first figure in this article is exactly what I want. I could reproduce the image in Powerpoint but I would rather just copy/paste that image into my paper (of course with proper attribution). Both to save time and to recognize Wikipedia. Whenever I publish an academic paper I always have to sign a bunch of forms that say I have the rights to use any images so I just want to make sure: is this allowed and is there any specific language I should use to give attribution to Wikipedia? MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @MadScientistX11! Yes, you almost always can use Wikipedia images in this context. See Reusing content outside Wikimedia for more information. casualdejekyll  16:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * However, upon checking the article you linked, I don't see any images at all.. are you referring to the table showing the base relations? That would be text, which is licensed under Help:Copyright - you still can most likely use it, but there are other considerations. casualdejekyll  16:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I need to clarify: This is not legal advice. I am not a lawyer. Please see Legal disclaimer for more information. casualdejekyll  16:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Uploading Photos
Hello wiki teahouse, I am trying to help out an old friend who is a well known British Guitar Player called Oliver Darling who plays as a side man to a lot of famous people. I have created him a draft page but when trying to upload a recent photo he gave me of him on stage with Ronnie Wood (of Rolling Stones and Rod Stewart fame) I get a message.

"We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons."

Any idea how I get around this?

I contributed to Wikipedia in it's very early days but am totally out of touch with the current policies and methods of publishing.

Many Thanks in anticipation of a responce.

Steve SteveOffaAaron (talk) 22:48, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Steve,
 * Wikipedia, due to the 10s of billions of views it gets every month nowadays, has become significantly more restrictive when it comes to creating new articles and uploading new photos. This makes sense, so that we can avoid being overwhelmed by millions of spam articles and questionable images on a daily/hourly basis. But it does make adding new content frustrating if you're used to the way things were done in the early days.
 * In terms of your article, it's important to include reliable sources in it. If you simply write an article without citing any outside sources, the article will almost certainly be rejected. I can help you with this, if you wish. Contact me on my "talk" page any time.
 * In terms of the photograph, you may find someone here that can give you a precise answer to your question. Good day. Pecopteris (talk) 23:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello . As for the photo, you cannot upload a a photo that someone else gave you, because you are not the copyright holder of that photo. In most cases, the photographer is the copyright holder. The legal process to freely license a photo for upload to Wikimedia Commons can only be carried out by the copyright holder. As for your draft, what you need to provide is references to significant coverage of Oliver Darling in reliable sources that are entirely independent of Darling. And then you summarize what those sources say about him. Cullen328 (talk) 23:21, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have gone back to Oliver Darling and the Imelda May management to find the original photographer and request they post the image. They had already informally granted the rights to use it but I presume it will be a lot more straight forward if they can add it. SteveOffaAaron (talk) 15:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @SteveOffaAaron, you should also review Wikipedia's guideline on editing with a conflict of interest, if you haven't already read it. Here's a link: WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have gone back to Oliver Darling, Imelda May and Tanita Tikaram for some information. As a session Oliver Darling has played on hundreds of recordings but would not be directly credited on them. However, where he has played as a band member, particularly on albums that charted he probably is. I have ask for detail.
 * Also, is it permissible to post links to concert footage on youtube etc? There is plenty of stuff of him playing Glastonbury, The Royal Albert Hall and prime time TV etc. I was not sure if it is okay to link this? SteveOffaAaron (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I need help
I am seeking assistance in writing a comprehensive and accurate wiki page for Afleece Johnson. Unfortunately, there are numerous false articles circulating, containing incorrect information about his birthday and suggesting that Assf from the Kite Runner is his father. Additionally, these articles claim that he assaulted 157 men and participated in a fictional battle royal. While he is known as the "Booty Warrior," it is challenging to find a reliable and definitive source to verify these claims. I am wondering if there is a way to gather ideas and receive help without creating a new post that may not be in good faith. Is it possible for us to collaboratively write the article, where I can vet the content with a group and ensure its accuracy before locking it? Alternatively, could I volunteer to contribute to the article and allow the community to write it, while I provide a specific timeframe for completion? Another option could be arranging an interview with Afleece Johnson, where any information found to be untrue can be challenged and corrected. I believe any new sources I come across may be in bad faith, so I have included a link to my notion explaining the false articles. I appreciate your assistance in making this wiki page https://www.notion.so/Media-Kit-For-Fleece-Johnson-cc43fc4e41574829aa8d5fb3fc15716a?pvs=4 Mimisavou (talk) 15:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has no article titled Afleece Johnson and it is not the purpose of Wikipedia to counter what you perceive as incorrect information elsewhere. Neither will any article you create be "locked", as you put it. Wikipedia articles are based solely on reliable sources. First gather those sources, then see WP:YFA. Shantavira|feed me 15:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Teahouse Hosts are here to advise about things Wikipedian, but not be co-authors. Birth of an article is typically a one-person effort through getting a draft approved (but after that, other can can will edit). Interviews with a topic of an article are not accepted as reliable source references (people lie about themselves - who knew?). David notMD (talk) 15:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * my apologies fleece johnson all the sources are false because he was Made into character on the show the boondock His birthday is even right on all the sources Mimisavou (talk) 15:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand you're saying but my fear is that if I write the Wiki that I will never get approved. Because I can't, I just there's not any sources that are true. His birthday isn't true. It says that Assf from the kite runner is his father. On most sources, it's all lies. Because he was a cartoon character on the TV show That he didn't approve of and hes been kind of like a meme for the past 15 years Mimisavou (talk) 15:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.notion.so/cc43fc4e41574829aa8d5fb3fc15716a I'm not sure if this link will take you to like a webpage or you can see it. But this is all the sources that I could compile on him none of them have his of things right, some of them are straight up memes other negatively affecting his life. And I'm just trying to get some kind of help. What should I do? I'm sorry if I chose the wrong board. Mimisavou (talk) 15:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, but I know that they're false. Because his father is not a fictional character in the Taliban. That was in the book, the kite runner. So if there's no sources and the only sources that I have is police documentation or court documentation and I can't post court documentation how am I supposed to get this man a Wikipedia that is of correct information? I don't understand how I'm supposed to do this because it doesn't make sense to me. How can I get him a truthful article written all the articles that I've sent that are on there. It says that his father is a Seth. We all know that hes not a fictional character. I can I get any suggestions? Can I get anything of how to deal with this? Because this is like the man has lost jobs, a man has lost money. The man has lost so much of his life because of false articles. When I watch his videos and it hurts me. And I'm trying to figure out how to help him. I don't understand what could help me and II don't understand how to get information of what could help me. Do you have any places that could help me figure out how to get him a Wikipedia article that you're using court documentation and YouTube interviews like I don't, I don't know what to do. Mimisavou (talk) 15:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mimisavou You seem to be ignoring the fact that Fleece Johnson is a fictional character. Thus nothing is negatively affecting his life. Wikipedia does have some articles on fictional characters and the relevant notability guideline is WP:NFICTION. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull I think they are referring to the actual person Fleece Johnson who was satirised on The Boondocks? He appeared in one episode of an MSNBC documentary it seems.
 * @Mimisavou I don't believe the real person, Fleece Johnson, would pass the strict Notability (people) criteria and therefore cannot have a Wikipedia article. Only people who meet the criteria set out in that Wikipedia policy document can have articles written about them.  Qcne  (talk)  15:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm crying right now because this is crazy. Hes a real person, hes a real person. Hes a real person, and that's a problem that we're having. Hes a real breathing living person. Who's lost multiple jobs? See, that's my issue, that's my issue. Hes a real person, and the fact that you did some research, and you said that hes not a real person is horrible, and this makes him lose real jobs, this makes him not be able to go on, do a lot of things that makes him not be able to feed his family, and that's why I'm asking for help. How can I get him an article written? When you just did the research yourself and seeing that. All the articles are so fake that you think that hes a fake person? Mimisavou (talk) 16:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mimisavou you cannot write an article about the real person Fleece Johnson, he does not pass the Notability (people) criteria. If we let anyone create an article about anyone we would have billions of articles. Hopefully you can see that is not a productive use of an online encyclopaedia.
 * Please, give up this crusade. It is not Wikipedia's place to right any wrongs or be a soapbox for change.  Qcne  (talk)  16:04, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not have an article about Fleece Johnson. Your comments about there being published false information about him may make it extremely difficult to create an article with reliable source references. P.S. Your listing published content that you believe false is of no help in creating a Wikipedia article.David notMD (talk) 15:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

What should you do? On Wikipedia, you should do nothing about this, and edit constructively in other areas. Among the many things that Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia is definitely not a place for righting great wrongs. It is not the place to "set the record straight". If sources have errors, then contact those sources to retract or correct their errors. Wikipedia does not exist to do that. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I refuse to do nothing. This is a real person getting persecuted because of the internet and Wikipedia I always thought was supposed to be a reliable source that was trusted by people and I'm trying to get him an article on on this platform. And you guys are telling me hes not a real person? I should do nothing so he should keep on losing jobs. He should keep on not being able to feed his family. He should keep on being a homeless, that's sad. Mimisavou (talk) 16:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mimisavou the United Nations states that around 1.6 billion people worldwide live in inadequate housing or homelessness. We obviously cannot have an article for them all. Being homeless does not in itself make a person notable enough to be included on Wikipedia.  Qcne  (talk)  16:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * this is is crazy what are youn even saying? Do you understand what I'm asking? I'm asking how can I get a article approved for a person who is mainly on youtube and all the articles written on them are false and referencing each other. I have Been told he is not a real person,we don't care about homeless people and to do nothing I have not got anyhelp or advice of what thread to go to. I know I will not have the sources to get article approved. He gets a million views a week he has been talked about in 100's of sources.i just want to know how to write article when I can't get proper sources because his name was turned into a meme. Wikipedia is a place where you can trust the information. I can't use Court papers,it's bad faith to creat new articles. Why is no one giving me help but just acting like I'm crazy or asking something crazy. Mimisavou (talk) 16:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm asking how can I get a article approved for a person who is mainly on youtube and all the articles written on them are false and referencing each other. The answer is: you can't. The only help we can give you is to advise you to stop wasting your time on this. MrOllie (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * He's a real person, but we have to base Wikipedia articles on reliable sources. You're telling us all the sources out there are unreliable, so we have nothing to work with. Wikipedia simply isn't the proper venue for you to do this. MrOllie (talk) 16:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mimisavou, please try to calm down. I don't think Wikipedia is the right place for you to be talking about Fleece Johnson right now, and I don't think this Teahouse thread is very helpful to you, right now. Do you like taking walks? Whatever method you use to calm down, I think it would be a good time to do so - it's important to remember to stay cool when the editing gets hot. casualdejekyll  16:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Edits
Hello. I edited Wikipedia under an IP address from August 2021 to June 2022. However, I was wondering if there was a way to put these edits under my username. Don't worry if not. Roads4117 (talk) 10:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, there isn't. If many or all of your contributions were under one particular IP address you could link to the Special:Contribs page for that IP on your userpage and note the connection, but there's no technical way to reattribute those edits to you. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Caeciliusinhorto-public How do you do that? Roads4117 (talk) 11:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * you do that by editing your user page and adding something like "Wikipedia edits from the IP address 92.93.94.95 are by me, see Special:Contributions/92.93.94.95".  Maproom (talk) 12:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Maproom :) Roads4117 (talk) 17:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Babel
i cant seem to figure out how to use it Ducklan (talk) 18:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * For context, I assume this refers to Babel, not similarly-named software out there in the world. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * yes but i think i figuered it out but how do you get to non visual editor because that's what was stopping me Ducklan (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * figured it out sorry for the miss spelling Ducklan (talk) 18:40, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ducklan, when I'm editing a page, I can switch between visual editor (if available) and source editor using the little pencil icon in the upper right corner 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Ducklan! I fixed the Babel template on your userpage. You have to edit it in source mode. If you're at a different level of English, you can add that there. Asparagusus   (interaction)  18:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you very much Ducklan (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia treating me like I'm a newcomer
I have been an editor for nearly two years. I tried creating an article for a musical artist (Project 86)'s album to update their status, but Wikipedia began acting like I haven't done this before and made it submit to the board for review, even though I no longer need to do so to create an article. Then, on my profile page, the draft, and most of my contributions, won't even show, although not erased. A fellow user suggested the IP address might have shifted, but I couldn't find that out very easily. I want to revert to what I had before, making articles without being treated like a newcomer, as I clearly am not. How can this problem be rectified? DarnItAll34 (talk) 16:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @DarnItAll34! Your contribution history goes back to Oct. 2022, and you are extended-confirmed, so you ought to have non-newcomer rights. Some templates may ask you to submit articles through WP:AfC, but you should be able to just move them to mainspace yourself given your rights. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 16:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * How do I move them to the mainspace? DarnItAll34 (talk) 17:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @DarnItAll34, see WP:Moving a page. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:59, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks DarnItAll34 (talk) 22:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

If this is about OMNI, Pt. 1, it has been accepted as an article. David notMD (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I made another page for the same band, and it acted like I'm a newbie again. DarnItAll34 (talk) 22:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * How do you try to create articles directly? Do you get an empty box you can write in if you click a red link like this one? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * usually I click on Article Wizard or a prompt from my first approved article message saying create articles yourself. But it's all right now, I found how to maneuver around the weird Wikipedia "glitch". DarnItAll34 (talk) 03:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not a glitch. Article wizard once had a choice between creating an article or draft. The article option was deliberately removed, probably because the quality was often very poor. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel the need to clarify that there's not a "board for review". AfC is ran by independent volunteers. casualdejekyll  15:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all this information, PrimeHunter and casualdejekyll, I am now more knowledgeable! DarnItAll34 (talk) 19:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Need to update the brand logo
I am an employee at Livingston International, and recently, we underwent a brand overhaul, which involved redesigning our logo. I require assistance with the process of uploading the updated logo, as I am currently encountering an issue where the system prevents me from overwriting the existing file. Your support in this matter would be greatly valued. Manjeetcares (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Manjeetcares, you have already asked this at the help desk, and received a reply there. Here is a link to it: Help desk post. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Manjeetcares,
 * Have you tried following the instructions you were given at FFU? NotAGenious (talk) 16:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

New profile > looking for editing & posting help
Hi everyone - myself completely new to Wikipedia, I am seeking help to properly format and post this new profile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Paul_Werner_Glaser Thanks to @GoingBatty feedback, I have updated my copy, added footnotes, and corrected links available but am seeking help to now put this into a final and acceptable format for publishing. Andipost (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Andipost. Everything after the lead section is completely unreferenced, which means the article will never be accepted in it's current state.
 * Every statement needs to have a reference. Please see Biographies of living persons.  Qcne  (talk)  13:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I also just want to note, we don't have 'profiles' on Wikipedia, but 'articles'. This is an important distinction to make, as a Wikipedia article is not owned by any one person, even the subject of the article.  Qcne  (talk)  13:44, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You need many more references, as Qcne said. Also, your use of the word "profile" suggests you misunderstand how Wikipedia works. Biographies are ABSOLUTELY not like social media profiles: they should NOT be promotional in any way. Wikipedia is not a web host, a social network, or a place to promote a topic or point of view. It is an encyclopedia: always keep this in mind. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Remove all hyperlinks (URLs). Cut Notable works to no more than ten (an article is not a CV). Reference everything remaining. Cut content you cannot find references for. David notMD (talk) 15:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Revert wikitext editing to older behavior
In the current mode of wikitext editing, when you're editing on the left side of the screen, things dynamically update on the right side. While the idea sounds good, I've found this change to be generally annoying. Now I've had the experience that when an edit conflict occurs, it seems that my changes are all lost (whereas previously, I could view the changes I had made since it would let me display a diff against the version of the page when I had started editing).

Am I wrong? It's possible I made a mistake, but I don't think so. In any case, I just want to go back to the former behavior, as I find the new behavior to be quite annoying. (My apologies if this has been prevoiusly addressed.) Fabrickator (talk) 23:56, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I think that Vector 2022 may help you solve the problem. Cullen328 (talk) 00:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Fabrickator If you want to continue using vector 22, then you can turn off the dynamic preview in the source editor by clicking on the toggle to the top right of the editing window (it says "Preview"). While the preview can be annoying, I occasionally find it helpful as it can be scrolled independently of the part you are editing and hence you can check portions of the article remote from where you are working. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Screenshot for reference. You do not need to turn off Vector 2022 for disable this. Ca talk to me! 14:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ca Thanks! It has taken me some time to understand the whole issue is with the "preview" toggle button.  From my experience, this is just a trap waiting to happen, and awareness of this problem among the user community will be slow, because edit conflicts are a relatively rare occurrence and the appropriate use of the "preview" toggle seems unclear.  Fabrickator (talk) 01:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Richmond, Bayham, Ontario
This was my first ever post. I failed to provide citations and have now added one but need to know if it is acceptable. I found the video on adding citations and will continue to read tutorials. BestCorinth1867 (talk) 02:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * BestCorinth1867, the draft is not super readable. There is a lot of fluff in which you talk about other towns named Richmond. I'm not sure about the reliability of the source you provided, but it, along with the Bayham, Ontario article, does verify that Richmond is a real place.
 * A 'community' doesn't seem like a legally recognized administrative division of Canada, and so it wouldn't satisfy WP:GEOLAND. You would have to prove notability through the general notability guideline. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 03:07, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Please someone help me, please review
Hello, I would like to Requesting Help Member for review to draft submissions Draft:Wytze Russchen DMMKL (talk) 04:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi. I reviewed your submission for a few minutes. Overall, I think it looks good, and it will almost certainly be accepted eventually. I made some minor copy-edits, but there may be some more work required before the article is ready for publication. I've bookmarked the draft so that I can come back to it later. Thanks for your contribution! Pecopteris (talk) 04:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @DMMKL and welcome to the Teahouse! Your draft is in line for review; please be patient. As the template at the top of the draft says, it might take up to several months to be reviewed by an Articles for Creation reviewer. Happy editing! <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding: 3px; Grumpylawnchair  ( talk ) 04:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

how many stars are there?
how many stars are in the sky? 2600:1700:F560:C1E0:C1C8:8460:987B:17DE (talk) 08:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi IP editor. This is a forum for asking questions on how to edit Wikipedia- not for general queries about life, the universe, and everything. Please try using www.google.com to answer your question.  Qcne  (talk)  08:45, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia in which you can search for the answer to questions such as this. If you read our article on stars, it says in the first paragraph The observable universe contains an estimated $$ to $$ stars. Only about 4,000 of these stars are visible to the naked eye. Shantavira|feed me 08:49, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

looking for experts at wiki should assist me with articles in my draft or sandbox
looking for "NYC [Fire Department] buffs" who are experts at wiki should assist me with articles in my draft or sandbox

that's one of many i started to create

Draft:New York City Fire chief of department BetterThen ever (talk) 07:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * No, BetterThen ever. If you think that there should be an article on "New York City Fire chief of department" (incidentally, a very strange sounding title), then you get some reliable sources, you summarize what these say (of course avoiding plagiarism) and attribute each part of what you write to the respective source, you take the trouble to get the formatting right; and then, when it will be obvious that you have put effort into your draft, you'll be welcome to ask for help with certain specifics of the draft. The draft will then have a fighting chance of being accepted as an article (though with an amended title). Unlike the version I declined a few minutes ago.


 * I am alarmed to read of drafts . Please don't. Just work to get one draft into a decent state. Once you've succeeded, you may move on to another draft. -- Hoary (talk) 07:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I had put in allot of effort in few articles I'm collecting the info for it just i am new writing on wiki and don't have experience in layout or how to source so I'm requesting help by those interested in those topics and you won't turn me down thanks anyway that's a nice welcome anyhow thank you trying to help me in your way I'm sure you meant good BetterThen ever (talk) 08:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * btw its not strange at all and don't be alarmed. stay safe BetterThen ever (talk) 08:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @BetterThen ever. I think before you start editing and creating articles you should read the following guide, which provides lots of helpful tips: Help:Contents.
 * Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially for a new Editor, so I would suggest first you improve some articles. You can find some articles that need improving at Special:Homepage. That will guide you through the process.
 * I would highly recommend not creating multiple poorly formatted and referenced draft articles, as they will all be declined or rejected.
 * Let us know if you have any specific questions,  Qcne  (talk)  08:49, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the considerable effort you have put into this article appears to constitute original research, which is not permitted here. You need to scrap all this and start by finding three reliable sources on the topic and then summarize what they say. Before taking this any further please read Everything you need to know. Shantavira|feed me 08:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

lost page!!
We have a page called Planet Home, that was started by a member of our community.. how can I locate it, and how can I publish it? 75.80.110.77 (talk) 22:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to Planet Home, which is currently a redirect to Synkronized? Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 23:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't find any evidence that there has ever been an article called Planet Home, other than the redirect that Edward pointed to; or a draft called Draft:Planet Home; or a user sandbox that contains the phrase "Planet Home". Are you perhaps thinking of some other site than Wikipedia?
 * Note that Wikipedia has encyclopaedia articles, rather than just "pages for". If I'm right in guessing that "Planet Home" is the name of your community, then it would not be appropriate for there to be a Wikipedia article about it unless it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, (basically that it has been written about in some depth by people entirely unconnected with it). ColinFine (talk) 12:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Can't edite semiprotected page
Hello, I found an error in one of the pages that were semiprotected so I tried to fix it and although I'm an autoconfirmed account, I couldn't? Noha Mokhtar (talk) 11:38, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @NohaMokhtareg: which page? — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 11:49, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're not autoconfirmed . Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 12:42, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I found a broken link on the resources section, I've tried to replace it with one that is working but it was removed with a note that it's a spam Noha Mokhtar (talk) 12:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The link you tried to replace wasn't a real source/reference, and spam too. It has also been removed; we need no how tos. Lectonar (talk) 12:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding which English to use in any given article
Is there a standard depending on where the article is about, or what is the case? I assume it is American English since I have seen the double quotation marks used in place of the singular ones. It has most likely already been answered somewhere, still, I ask. Monocéfalo (talk) 04:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It depends on the subject and also what is already being used in the article. See WP:ENGVAR  RudolfRed (talk) 04:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * For punctuation guidelines, specifically, see MOS:PUNCT, @Monocéfalo. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

revdel
Why were over a hundred revisions of this page revision-deleted? Just curious. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks like crypto wallet spam with potentially identifying information and/or harmful links. signed,Rosguill talk 13:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yikes. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 13:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just as an FYI, 2 strikes means it was a suppression, not a revision deletion. If it was just a revdel you would have been able to see the summary for said deletion in the logs of the page. – 2804:F14:8083:8C01:BCE8:F242:4596:220C (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been here a year and I never even noticed double lines vs. Single line. Knitsey (talk) 14:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank-you. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 14:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Blocked on my mobile phone
Sometimes when I am away from home I am blocked from editing Wikipedia on my phone. This has always seemed to be because of an issue with the WiFi I was using and was always fine when I came home. Now I am blocked on my mobile phone even at home, and on PC I am getting Notices about vandalism at User talk:66.234.206.84. Could someone point me towards help to regain editing access on my phone and make sure my account isn't somehow linked to editing taking place at some public IP address? Thanks for any help Mgp28 (talk) 17:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mgp28 - That IP you link isn't blocked..? Regardless, if you sign in to your Wikipedia account, you should be allowed to edit even on blocked IP addresses. The only exception is if the address is hardblocked, which most aren't. If it is hardblocked, you need to be IP-Block exempt to edit logged in, which you can find more information about at WP:IPBE. casualdejekyll  18:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mgp28 I just wanted to check you aren't trying to edit on a browser like Opera, or with some other browser with a VPN active? That could well give you a 'blocked' message when you try to edit (it scared my silly the first time I experienced doing that). Nick Moyes (talk) 19:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As much as I love the Opera browser, that VPN feature has gotten me into too much trouble for me to use that feature anymore. I had been actively contributing to physicsforums.com (using the desktop Opera) when suddenly my account was banned for sockpuppetry, apparently because others were posting to the site using the same IP address. It took over a year for me to get unbanned. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for your comments. I didn’t think I had a VPN turned on but I found iCloud was encrypting my IP address. Now I’ve deactivated that everything is back to normal.
 * (I still have the notifications for that other IP address. The fact that that address isn’t blocked just makes it seem even stranger.) Mgp28 (talk) 20:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Mgp28 Glad you solved it. The fact that other IP address isn't blocked is that it didn't do enough damage in the handful of edits they made a few days ago, and they have since ceased. Our increasing levels of warning messages often make a user aware that if they continue, they'll be blocked. We rarely block IP addresses for long, as many other people may well be using it - a whole school, for example (some years ago I once found an administrator had blocked the entire mobile phone network that I and half the UK were on!). Blocking is done for preventative reasons, not punitive ones. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:59, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

How to do RFC for phrasing
￼I added the RFC tag to an edit request I made on the India lage which is what I was instructed to do and someone else edited and removed the RFC tag and then a couple of days later the whole edit request is closed with warning to me not to edit the section. I am not savvy with coding and html, kindly help me. Roaly3 (talk) 16:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Roaly3 Hi again. If this is about this, then I think you should follow Pecopteris's advise. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Roaly3, the instructions are at Requests for comment. Adding an RFC tag to your edit request is not the way to go. Read the page I linked and follow the steps. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

A few questions about making an article
Hello. I am planning on making a draft for a record label and I have a few questions. There isn't much about it online yet but I've found some good sources and think it could become an article. I've compiled a discography of almost all the labels 40 or so releases and was thinking it would be good for the article as the information is only available in fragmented form online. The label had a special numbering system running from I think P1. to P 42 with a few extras. Only problem is, I've found no sources for P1 to P9. This means the discography table would be incomplete. Should I still add it in hopes someone adds the rest later? Or would having an incomplete table look bad? The other thing I'm wondering is how do I make a draft? I've made some before but I've forgotten which steps to take now as it's been a while. Sorry for the long question, thanks in advance! Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 16:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans Welcome to Teahouse!
 * You can make a draft at AfC. If there are no reliable sources online for P1 to P9, then, as you said, they shouldn't be added because there's nothing to back up the claims. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointers. It's not that there's no reliable sources, there's not sources at all. I was just thinking a discography table would look weird if nine areas were blank. I have reliable info for the rest of the discs. Not sure if this changes anything. Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 16:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans Create the draft and AfC reviewers would do their job :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:45, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright thank you! Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 16:56, 22 August 2023 (UTC)