Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1206

Does the "Number of views on articles you've edited" on the editor homepage show views for total edits or only for your recent activity (last 60 days)?
Does the "views on articles you've edited" number for editors show the number of views from all contributions made on this account, or only recent contributions (i,e,, edits made in the last 60 days)?

For some reason, the "number of views on articles you've edited" shown on my homepage (in the "Your impact" box for my account) has DECREASED overnight by almost 100,000 views. I was wondering if I could get more information on why this happened, and what this number (on the homepage) actually refers to — does it show the TOTAL number of views from ALL edits made (since your FIRST edit), or just the number of views from your RECENT activity (i.e., edits you've made in the last 60 days)? How could I see the "most viewed" articles since my first edit, as opposed to just the last 60 days? Finally, what does the term "since" mean in this context, specifically for the phrase — "Most viewed (since your edit)" — used immediately before the list of articles (at the bottom of the "Your impact" box)?

I hope my question(s) make sense — I am so sorry for any confusion or misunderstanding on my part.

Thank you so much for your time and help!!

OSINTsparrow (talk) 03:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @OSINTsparrow, Pageview shows how many people have visited an article in a given time period. You can use this tool pageviews for detailed page stats.
 * Frankly speaking views don't matter in Wikipedia. Leoneix (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what impact box is, is it in the mobile app? Leoneix (talk) 03:56, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what the editor homepage is, but I've only been here for ~20 years. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is a page that new accounts are shown that gives them suggested edits, a place to ask questions and an impact box. @OSINTsparrow It appears that it is over the last 60 days. NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 04:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, there is an option in the bottom of the preferences page. Leoneix (talk) 04:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I can verify that this is true. I have the page exactly as it’s described. Fotzendurchfall (talk) 04:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Anyone who regularly provides answers at the Teahouse should certainly try out the new-user homepage feature (by checking the box at "Display newcomer homepage" at the foot of Special:Preferences and saving). All new user accounts now have this feature, as an extra tab on their UserPage. There are frequently questions about it here. New users are assigned a mentor and the homepage gives a link to them, as well as various summaries of the user's contributions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Guarani / Spanish Translation help request
A new user @User:Luisferuribe asked following mentorship question on my t/p


 * " Hola buenas como hago para empezar a traducir temas de Wikipedia"


 * Google translate translation as follows


 * " Hi good how do I to start translating Wikipedia topics"

If some one knows Guarani / Spanish can, please guide them?

Thanks &#32;Bookku   (talk) 08:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You can refer them to spanish wikipedia Leoneix (talk) 08:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And also to translation, though that explains the English Wikipedia side only. ColinFine (talk) 12:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Bad Experience Reviewing for GA
I just completed a GA review for Newburgh, Dutchess and Connecticut Railroad. As someone who formerly worked in the railroad industry, I found some things misleading or untrue. I tried to get those things corrected, and much of the problem was fixed. In the end, I made two changes in order to clarify and end the misleading statements—because the author would not. I believed those were necessary in order to pass the article. After the article passed and received its GA notification, the author changed my two changes back to the misleading statements. This seems unethical to me. Am I pressing too much for a GA review? Is it OK if a GA Wikipedia article has misleading statements? I doubt that I will ever review a railroad article again, and I don't want to get in an edit–war with someone who has made so many contributions to Wikipedia. TwoScars (talk) 17:36, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about these edits - diff? If so, at least at first glance, they do not seem catastrophic. They elide some detail, but possibly don't make the greatest impact on the subject of the article, the Newburgh, Dutchess and Connecticut Railroad, since that was established some 11 years after these 1866 events? --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:28, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Why ask this here, rather than WP:GAN? 1.33.56.248 (talk) 19:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Why not? TwoScars seems comfortable asking questions here, and we're happy to answer them. It is not always helpful to interpose a suggestion that a user is asking a question in the wrong place, not least when it is clear that the question has been engaged. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, those two edits. If they do not seem catastrophic, then I will back off. My problem was that 1) the article seems to imply that the D&C simply had its name changed to become the ND&C when the reality was that management was different; and 2) after the D&C leased the line to the BH&E, you cannot imply that the D&C began providing service on June 21—it was the BH&E that operated the line they leased and provided all rolling stock. Anyway, I will quit worrying about this. It just seemed unethical to change something, that was critical to the article becoming GA, back to the unsatisfactory version after the GA rating was received. TwoScars (talk) 19:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "GA" does not mean "perfect": an article can always be improved further. Perhaps rather than reverting to an earlier (and somewhat convoluted) wording, you should think about (re-)adding the information in question in other ways, such as spreading information over two (or more) sentences instead of one. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 20:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If I remember correctly, the artcle being stable is a GA criteria, and so reverting a change immediately on a GA being awarded is unfortunate; and I noted in the GA Review discussion of this point, so to have the change immediately after the GA award reasonably leads to a concern that there was a lack of sincerity in the process. In your position I would feel annoyed.


 * Equally, the changes are in the lead, which is always a summary of the body and which thus loses some of the nuance found in the body. My evaluation is that the changes are minor and do not substantially change my understanding of the article.


 * My reading of the Beginnings, Expansion, and the Newburgh, Dutchess and Connecticut sections of the body don't convey the impression that the D&C simply had its name changed to become the ND&C; not least, there were any amount of mergers and then "the NYB&M went bankrupt, followed by the D&C.[1]: 15  The Clove Branch again became independent.[4]: 25  The D&C was sold at foreclosure in August 1876.[1]: 15  It was reorganized January 15, 1877, as the Newburgh, Dutchess and Connecticut Railroad." Something which went bankrupt, was sold, was reorganised, is describing a series of events that are more than a name change.


 * I hope this evaluation is some consolation? --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

If you haven't done so, you could post this discussion on the author's talk page to let him know you are not pleased. Smallchief (talk) 22:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for doing a GA review! There's an ongoing struggle to get the backlog down. I'll try to answer some of your questions below: And finally, I hope this doesn't come off too prescriptive, but I want to invite you to look at the process from another angle. If we're here to build an encyclopedia, then the goal of assessment projects are to guide our progress and provide a structured way to improve Wikipedia's articles. Compare the article to its state before your review or even before the nominator began working towards a GA review and you'll see a clear improvement to sourcing and factual accuracy. Sorry it was sour experience for you, Rjjiii  (talk) 07:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Is it OK if a GA Wikipedia article has misleading statements? Every article will have misleading statements at some point, so it's not a massive problem. I would drop a message on the user's talk page to engage them. If they understand the problem they may revert on their own, or try another wording.
 * If they do not seem catastrophic, then I will back off. Not to me at least. I would say that the wording with "original" twice in one long sentence could even be unintentionally misleading because it's so difficult to follow.
 * It just seemed unethical to change something, that was critical to the article becoming GA, back to the unsatisfactory version after the GA rating was received. Again, I'd drop a message on the nominator's talk page. They might not be devious, just mistaken.
 * Thank you everyone for your thoughts. TwoScars (talk) 14:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

How to add optional rows and interactive maps to a template?
Hi! I'm improving a template (which I use to create info-boxes) for a Wikipedia Project in the Incubator. I would like to add optional rows and an interactive map to template. The problem of the current template is that 1) non applicable rows appear in some articles, and 2) I have to upload location maps individually, instead of just entering geographical coordinates. How can I solve that? Thank you very much! Anaxicrates (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , which template are you working on? Rjjiii (ii) (talk) 01:29, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This one: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wp/grc/Ἀρχαία_Πόλις
 * And here is how it can be used: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/grc/Μέγαρα_(ἀρχαία_πόλις)
 * And: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/grc/Ἀλαλίη (here some rows are irrelevant) Anaxicrates (talk) 01:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links ! I think I can offer an answer for your question (1): Are you familiar with conditional expressions? These allow templates to change their displayed content depending on which parameters are filled out. There is an explanation at Help:Designing infoboxes at "Field conditionally displayed". If you look at the source code for Template:Infobox person, you'll see many examples of it in action. (That template is making the table indirectly via Module:Infobox if it seems odd to see no table markup.) Rjjiii  (talk) 02:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your help! I've solved a problem, but I've created another. I had already figured out that using the infobox template could have been a good solution. However, I had problems using it, because (apparently, I'm not an expert) the existent module could only be used in the English Wikipedia. However, now I've created (i.e., copy-pasted) the module in the Ancient Greek Wikipedia Incubator.
 * Here is the copy-pasted module: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:Wp/grc/Πινάκιον_Πύστεων
 * I also had to re-create this, since I got an error message: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module:Wp/grc/Infobox/styles.css
 * Here is the new "ancient polis" infobox template: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wp/grc/Πινάκιον_Ἀρχαία_Πόλις
 * Here is an article in which I use the new template: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/grc/Ἀγύριον_(ἀρχαία_πόλις)
 * Optional rows work now. However, there are some problems, mainly the infobox style: I initially got an error and I had to re-create the "infobox styles" module linked above, but nothing has changed, apparently. Secondarily, I still have to figure out how to use pictures, but I hope I can work that out. Unfortunately, I'm not a programmer and I don't understand the meaning of the code completely. Anaxicrates (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear you're making progress. As you get into these more specific questions, I would suggest starting a thread at one of the talk pages below and optionally to drop a link on the others with Please see, especially if you don't get any replies in a few days:
 * Template talk:Infobox
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates
 * Village pump (technical)
 * Good luck, Rjjiii  (talk) 04:52, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestions, I've done so! Anaxicrates (talk) 16:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

South land Leisure Centre in Calgary, Alberta
I was wondering if anyone knows how much this facility cost to build? Collyfleur (talk) 13:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Teahouse Hosts are here to answer questions about editing Wikipedia, not information in general. David notMD (talk) 16:29, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

This draft got declined Draft:Zhou Yiran
@goingbatty Sorry I mentioned you. I just added the source of Alma mater & Agency in the Infobox. Should I add career section ? Unleashgift (talk) 06:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Courtesy ping: – dudhhr talkcontribssheher 07:33, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not Goingbatty, Unleashgift, but I'll comment all the same. This draft currently consists of two sentences. If these say all that can be said about her, I'd say that she doesn't merit an article. (Maybe it's just too soon.) I note that the second sentence reads "She is best known for her role in Zhang Yibai's youth drama Run for Young (2020) and Song of Life (2022)." Best known for what? (Her sonorous voice, her lustrous hair, the psychological depth of her acting, the physicality of her acting, the credibility of the relationship her character has with some other character....) Incidentally, if these two films are so important for her notability, then what are their actual titles? (I imagine that these are in Chinese, though I could of course be wrong.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Unleashgift: Yes, please add more information that demonstrates how the actress meets WP:GNG. GoingBatty (talk) 16:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Update: Web site: Mother’s Name
Update: Web site: https://ancestors.familysearch Son: Richard Whitney Mother: Nellie Gertrude Merrill To update article of Richard Whitney from “List of Fraudsters” Also: Mother’s Father’s name needs to be added. MaryKay2788 (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @MaryKay2788Kindly clarify your intentions. Leoneix (talk) 18:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Would like Richard Whitney’s Mother’s name added: Nellie Gertrude Merrill and somehow find her father’s name. The current wording on the article is incorrect and confusing. MaryKay2788 (talk) 19:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, MaryKay1788. This has been asked and answered on the Help Desk. Please don't post the same question in multiple places. ColinFine (talk) 19:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

How to actually get started
Mainly how do I actually fact check? What topics should I edit Radon difluoride (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm going to place a welcome message on your user talk page with some helpful(I hope!) information.  You might find the Community Portal helpful; there is a section which lists tasks that can be done. 331dot (talk) 20:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk page edits for extended confirmed status
Does the 500-edit-count requirement for becoming extended-confirmed include talk page edits? Pinkslimo (talk) 21:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Pinkslimo, yup, any live edit. Possibly deleted ones too, I'm not sure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Why was this middle school page deleted from Wikipedia?
I found this article of a Hawaii intermediate school, which was deleted Special:diff/914522376 a few years ago] (and changed to a redirect) citing "WP:A7", a guideline that articles "not of importance" should be deleted. However, the "A7 guidelines" explicitly say that it doesn't apply to schools. So why was this article deleted? Hawaii high schools have pages on Wikipedia, so are intermediates not important? Is there some sort of other notability guideline of note? It should also be noted that the page currently redirects to a list of Hawaii middle schools.

Theadventurer64 (talk) 21:46, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've altered the link to the diff to a Wikilink that actually works. ColinFine (talk) 21:56, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Theadventure64, and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * You're right, that educational institutions are explicitly excepted from WP:A7, and so that should not have been applied. In fact, the notice was removed in the next edit. But the edit after that converted it to a redirect, citing WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, which says Most elementary (primary) and middle schools that don't source a clear claim to notability usually get merged or redirected to the school district authority that operates them (generally the case in North America) or the lowest level locality (elsewhere or where there is no governing body).
 * You can look at the text that was there in the history of the redirect, but it does nothing to establish that the school is notable in Wikipedia's sense.
 * If you think that there are sufficient independent reliable published sources about the school to base an encyclopaedia article on, I suggest you read WP:YFA, and create a draft using the articles for creation process. When you submit it for review, if it passes review, than the reviewing editor who accepts it will sort out the redirect. ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It was deleted because it had no reliable sources. Arguing as to whether or not A7 should have applied would be wikilawyering. Some schools make the grade - they have sources. Some do not. There is a schools notability guideline at WP:NSCHOOL. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Kappa Beta Phi
I am trying to add an active chapter to the description of Kappa Beta Phi

I am the president of the Chicago chapter that has been in existence since 1951

I have been on the Board for 10 years

It is not listed in your description

I just registered today to be an editor and this is my first attempt DPEQ (talk) 22:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @DPEQ: Welcome to the Teahouse! As explained on your talk page, additions to Wikipedia need to be based on published reliable sources.  Since you have a conflict of interest, it would be best for you to make edit requests on Talk:Kappa Beta Phi for others to implement. GoingBatty (talk) 22:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much
 * Don't believe anything is formally "published"
 * Would copies of event announcements, invitations, member directories or dinner programs be acceptable? 75.145.145.153 (talk) 22:49, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No they would not be acceptable. (Please read and digest WP:RS.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the type of news coverage and books that are used to show that the group in New York City exists. It is entirely possible that these or similar coverage would include mention of a Chicago chapter.Naraht (talk) 00:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As an additional note, *many* newspapers can be found as references. If the Chicago Sun Times mentioned Kappa Beta Phi in 1974, we can probably track it down. :)Naraht (talk) 00:51, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And there is definitely more room for information of Kappa Beta Phi, but it needs to be referenced. (and somehow separated from the Legal Sorority of the same name. :Naraht (talk) 00:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Naraht
 * I have found the Obituaries of 3 of our past presidents in the Chicago tribune and the Chicago Daily Herald
 * Will these work?
 * All I want to do is add the Chicago Chapter to the description of Kappa
 * https://www.newspapers.com/image/883130799/?terms=%22Kappa%20Beta%20Phi%22%20&match=1
 * https://www.newspapers.com/image/14493601/?terms=%22Kappa%20Beta%20Phi%22%20&match=1
 * https://www.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune-obituary-for-richard-b/134790728/ DPEQ (talk) 19:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As the air is to the light for it does not change any density, not that it should. But in a poi state like that if you touch the air it would pop a little *puh. PhobiaXgayns (talk) 08:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure the meaning of your reply
 * Are you saying that this is not proof of a Chicago Kappa chapter ??
 * Unfortunately there are no published articles on the Chapter
 * We have over 70 current members and have 100's since founding in 1951
 * I can send you a member directory but we don't want that on the net
 * Please advise
 * Thank You DPEQ (talk) 13:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's great! I always tell people I could of been chief and editor of Rolling Stones which I suggested after returning to school and taking my skills to a díffrent level and started proof reading papers? Hgnd 2603:8001:B900:67A6:A894:4913:68A3:3A93 (talk) 22:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Is revert only when necessary followed?
Is Revert only when necessary actually followed? I am a new Wikipedia editor trying to make my first edit on Marvel Snap and I took a lot of time detailing a new section of the page with sources and it was reverted with the note: "Usage of unreliable sources, overly detailed and inappropriate tone". I accepted that feedback and took the time to revise my sources, cut back on the details, and changed my tone just to have it reverted once again by the same user with no note this time. This is making Wikipedia editing an unpleasant experience and makes me want to just give up even volunteering my time to edits. Note that I did reach out to the user on their talk page. After reading their talk page, it looks like I am not the only one experiencing reverts from this user and they don't always reply so I am not hopeful this route will come to a resolution. Cozy Manager (talk) 21:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I'm not experienced enough to be able to help in this specific scenario, but I wanted to say as a fellow new(ish) editor, I understand how frustrating this is. I had a very similar experience when I first started editing (multiple reverts from one editor with very little justification or discussion, who also had a talk page filled with disagreements and grumblings from others), and it was extremely off-putting. But I want to assure you that most of my time since has been much more pleasant! Sometimes you run into people you disagree with and who make things frustrating, but the vast majority of my time on Wikipedia so far has been a really good experience, and I'm glad I didn't let the bad experience put me off. I'm sorry your first experiences editing Wikipedia haven't been great, but I want to wish you a warm welcome and I really hope you stick around! Quuxbazbarfoo (talk) 21:16, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Thank you so much for your understanding and kind words. It means a lot, especially as I navigate these initial challenges. Your experience gives me hope that things will get better, and I appreciate your warm welcome. Cozy Manager (talk) 21:23, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , wikipedia editing is not easy. Referring to your second edit, the first two sentences are referenced to the marvelsnap website, and start "Thanks to the developers' focus on ...", so that would be a distinctly not neutral description citing a non-neutral source. Neither is encyclopaedic. We then get a sentence on who won, not cited; who won this competition says nothing about the subject of the article, it is offtopic. Then an ER and EGL Sports sentence uncited. Then a twitch claim whch cites a schedule, but provides a bunch of information not in the cited source. This does not make the grade. Information needs to be tied to independent reliable sources; it needs to be on-topic; it needs to be neutral in tone. Where it is not, it should and generally will get reverted. The resolution is in your hands. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:27, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello,. Please be aware that Revert only when necessary is just an essay, not a policy or even a guideline. The most important thing is that adding content requires Consensus if challenged by another editor. Consensus is policy. Your first set of edits were overtly promotional, and promotional language is not permitted on Wikipedia. Your more recent edit included this promotional language, referenced to Marvel Snap's own website. There is no way that is a good edit. I recommend that you read the Neutral point of view and refrain from promotional editing of any kind. Cullen328 (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is too bad that is not a policy or even a guideline since it seem like that would foster a better experience for editors here. Cozy Manager (talk) 21:40, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling that my 2nd edit might also have a problem so I look the time to look at a similar page, hearthstone, and followed the format on that page. It seems like Wikipedia is not consistent on what is acceptable across all of their pages which can be hard to know how to edit if you can't look at examples on Wikipedia itself. Cozy Manager (talk) 21:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The principles are easy to understand and easy to test for. Is it neutral? Is the source reliable, independent? Is it about the subject of the article? Ask those questions. Comparing your text on article A with text on article B is not illuminating. Cozy Manager, your second edit was not even close to being acceptable. There is inconsistency across WP, obvs, b/c it's a big place with too few volunteers. But that is not the issue here. Your experience is not a WP fail. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:47, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Cozy manager, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that is true. We have more than six million articles, and several thousand active volunteer editors, who work on what they choose; most of them for some reason don't seem to want to spend much of their time getting some of our (probably well ovrer a million) seriously deficient articles up to scratch, or deleting them if they can't be improved. (I include myself among that). Many of these were created when we were less careful about standards, especially for sourcing, than we are now: see OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
 * What is recommended is that if you are going to look at existing articles for comparison, you choose featured articles or good articles. ColinFine (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ...good articles? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oops! I left the colon off, adding this page to the category, which is ... not ideal. Thanks, . --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, this is a pretty good page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The other thing I would add, Cozy Manager, is that. particularly as a new editor, I recommend making many small edits rather than one large one. There are various reasons for this, but the particular one I'm thinking of is that if part of your edit is problematic, it is likely that another editor will revert the whole thing, rather than pick it apart and change the problematic bits - they might, but again, there are only so many editors, with only so much time available. If you make several small edits they can revert only the problematic ones. ColinFine (talk) 21:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Group voting ticket
Could someone take a look at the "Notes" section of Group voting ticket? There are a couple of seemingly errant tags and I can't figure out what it's supposed to look like. Thanks! 76.14.122.5 (talk) 23:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I've removed the note(s). Impossible to say what the intention of the person who added it was, but it was a car-crash. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 76.14.122.5 (talk) 23:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Article page curation
Hi Teahouse! I've written a few articles recently, and I'm interested to know if there's any general wisdom on getting articles reviewed through page curation. Most of my articles get reviewed within a couple of hours, but two of them (Century Crack and Bristol Old Vic silver tickets) have been sitting in the queue for a few weeks. It's not a big deal, I know the queue is thousands of articles long, but I'm wondering for future reference why some articles are reviewed very quickly and some take a lot longer, and if there's anything I can do to make the process easier for would-be reviewers of my articles. (The main reason I'm wondering is because I know search engines don't index unreviewed articles, and these articles have been the focus of news events where people might have been searching for them.)

For both of these I created them in draft or userspace then moved them into mainspace, could that have affected the review process?

Cheers for any insight you can provide! :) Quuxbazbarfoo (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , I'm not the best person to answer this, as I'm not involved in the review process. But I believe that there are two steps in the process. When you submitted the articles for review, you applied for the first step. You then bypassed, or circumvented, that step by moving them to mainspace yourself. The second step is one that many article creators are unaware off. When an article arrives in mainspace, either because it's accepted by a reviewer or because someone put it there directly, it waits for the second step before it's made visible to search engines. Eventually someone assesses it, and may deem it worthy of mainspace and of being seen by search engines; or move it to draft for further work; or destroy it. If that second step never happens because no-one gets round to checking it, after six months it's made visible to search engines anyway. (If I were a reviewer, I'd accept both those articles.) Maproom (talk) 22:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the response! My understanding (though please do correct me if I'm misunderstanding anything) is that the Articles for Creation process is optional (for autoconfirmed users), and orthogonal (or, at least, supplemental) to the New Page Patrol process. I did initially use the AfC template for Century Crack, but figured I have enough editing experience now that I'd rather not wait for the AfC process, as I know there is a long backlog for it. Several of my other articles have since been reviewed under the New Page Patrol automatically (without going through AfC), so I think you're right that these ones just slippped under the radar of the reviewers, possibly due to the self-move from draft/userspace.
 * That's useful to hear that they get auto-approved after 6 months anyway, I didn't realise that. Cheers! Quuxbazbarfoo (talk) 22:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Last I heard it was actually 90 days (unless reviewed by the NPP earlier), but that may have changed. Drafts that are entirely untouched for 6 months are elegible for deletion as 'abandoned'.
 * When drafts are submitted, they go into a (large) pool (not an ordered queue), from which the volunteer reviewers tend to quickly Decline or Reject obviously inadequate candidates, and quickly Approve obviously well-written and well-referenced ones. Those which are less well written, and/or have borderline-quality references, or have references more difficult to assess (such as being in a different language, or not online, both of which are allowed) tend to wait longer before one of the volunteers feels ready to tackle them. Hope this illuminates. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 00:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * They don't get approved, it's just that the 'unpatrolled' tag expires. Such a page can still be deleted if it's garbage. DS (talk) 00:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Russia Ukraine Battalion details
I am trying to find detail on specific Ukrainian Battalion's actions in the current conflict, and I am wondering if there is any good websites for find details! Crow7576 (talk) 20:35, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Crow7576: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ukraine.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Article was not approved
There is much news surrounding the achievements of Aram Tufan. He has been invited to numerous talks in London and was named Entrepreneur of the Year at the prestigious Great British Entrepreneurship Awards. His life serves as an inspiration to many in the LGBTQI+ community. As an organization that supports the success of LGBTQ+ individuals globally, it's important to acknowledge his successful journey and to use it as a beacon to inspire countless other young people. All the references have been given and only two of them are based on interviews from very trusted resources. 85.104.3.136 (talk) HalilAtaman (talk) 14:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. There must be enough secondary sources and the subject must meet the threshold of the WP:BIO guidelines. If all conditions are met, you can write a draft article in your sandbox. Leoneix (talk) 14:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @HalilAtaman Leoneix (talk) 14:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @HalilAtaman: While I believe that Tufan may be inspiring to the LGBT community, Wikipedia's concern is if he is wikinotable, and in its mission to be informative it is not to be used as a soapbox or for promotion. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi IP editor.
 * My second decline was because you re-submitted without a single change, which is considered quite rude. If you had questions about my first decline feel free to ask me. I felt your sources were not WP:INDEPENDENT. Let's go through each source in turn:
 * Uni of Westminster: not independent of Aram.
 * Fresh Business Thinking: link now 404's but I believe it was an interview, so not independent.
 * Times Higher Education: Written by Aram, so not independent.
 * Uni of Westminster: the same as source #1
 * Uni of Westminster: not independent of Aram.
 * Uni of Westminster: not independent of Aram.
 * londragazete: this works as a source.
 * FT: not independent of Aram.
 * ArchDaily: not independent of Aram.
 * I am gay myself, so please don't think I declined this article for any kind of anti-LGBT bias. You simply have not sourced it correctly.
 * If you can find some secondary sources that are independent of Aram please do let me know by WP:PINGing me on my User Talk Page, and I will have another look.  Qcne  (talk)  15:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Courtesy ping @HalilAtaman  Qcne  (talk)  15:01, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I imagine that "Pursuing further linguistic education" and "continued his academic journey" mean "Wanting to improve his English" and "studied" respectively. Note that a Wikipedia article is written to inform, not to express the awe in which the writer holds the subject. -- Hoary (talk) 01:08, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Why is my article considered unambiguous advertising?
I tried to create a factual overview of an investment bank - AMB, but it was considered unambiguous advertising. How is this the case when I can find overviews on all sorts of companies? Do I need to add a history section? That seems to be more self-promoting in my mind, but I will do so if needed. Please advise and would be glad to hop on the phone to get some guidance if easier.

Here is a link to the deleted article - Draft:Ambwealth (Allen, Mooney & Barnes)

Thank you. WikiPatron00 (talk) 23:49, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Whilst we wait for an admin able to see what you wrote, please check out WP:COI. Ideally you should not be writing an article on a subject with which you have a COI. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, no one here is going to call you. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 23:56, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * WikiPatron00, Draft:Ambwealth (Allen, Mooney & Barnes), which cites nothing that even starts to resemble a disinterested source, reads like a PR blurb, the kind of thing that the company would put on its own website. I read on your user page that "This user has publicly declared that they have a conflict of interest regarding the Wikipedia article ambwealth (Allen, Mooney & Barnes)." No surprise there. But given that the draft sounds as if it was written directly for the company, what is surprising is the lack of a declaration that you were paid. Please read Paid-contribution disclosure. Probably the best thing to do is just to stop. However, if you're determined to continue, then forget everything that the company says (whether directly or via some PR firm), look for what Wikipedia regards as reliable sources, and base a draft on those. Incidentally, we do realize that Wikipedia already has a lot of articles that are feeble; we're trying to eliminate these, but it's a major job. -- Hoary (talk) 01:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

I took a photo of an example of an “Arablish” restaurant but there is a drawing in the centre. Is it okay to upload?
The restaurant is “Lazeez cafe” if you want to look it up. I thought it might be good use on the Arablish article, but there is a drawing of a chef in the centre. I fear it might be a derivative work as a result. Thought I should ask here though, hoping it is not. Slamforeman (talk) 01:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Slamforeman there is something called Freedom of panorama which allows for you to have the rights to a photo in situations like this in many jurisdictions. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool! Thanks for the info, happy to hear it! :) Slamforeman (talk) 01:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Linking hr to en pages
Hello all! I recently created a page for the Croatian playwright Milan Ogrizović, who has a page on Croatian, Hungarian, and Italian Wikipedias, but my recently created English page doesn't show as connecting to other language Wikipedias. How can I rectify this? Is there a way to ease this linking in the future? ThaesOfereode (talk) 05:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @ThaesOfereode: Welcome to the Teahouse! I connected them by making this edit on Wikidata.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

homepage v user page v talk page
Newbie here. I've read many of the Wiki help pages but still don't understand the difference between the user's homepage, user page & talk pages. Is there an article that explains the differences? Also, how do I find this again so I can see any replies? Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 05:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sunandshade: The user homepage is a relatively new feature, and you can read more about it here. It's generally used to give new users ideas about how to contribute to the wiki. The user page is for introducing yourself (to an extent), and the user talk page is for other editors (or bots) to leave messages for you. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your quick reply. It was so quick I edited my question without realizing a reply had been sent.  For my homepage, it talks about editing suggestions & says "1 of 2".  How do I get to "2 of 2"?  Can anyone else see my homepage?   Sunandshade (talk) 06:13, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Just found out to get "2 of 2" I click continue. Sunandshade (talk) 06:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, no, your homepage is not visible to others. Andumé (talk) 06:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * At some point in time, this discussion must roll off the page. When that happens, can I do a search for it in Teahouse? Sunandshade (talk) 07:37, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sunandshade Yup, if you look near the top of this page (at least on a laptop or in desktop view on your device) under the "Welcome to the Teahouse!" banner, you see searchboxes for that. the "Go find it!" one is for Teahouse specifically. Searching "Sunandshade" should work fine. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Under the banner I see only 1 search box, not "boxes". I don't see "go find it!" I'm on my PC (laptop).  Are there different versions?  When I clicked on "search help", under "search in", I can choose "help", but not teahouse specifically.  I assume there are multiple places that have help discussion. Sunandshade (talk) 16:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sunandshade: is referring to the gray divbox on the right-hand side of the page. It should be in line with the first question, and is titled "Most recent archives". It's not the "Search help pages" field; it's a little further down. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see it now. If I search there, does it search ALL archives?  Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 04:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Only the ones in the Teahouse (specifically any subpages of ). — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it. Sunandshade (talk) 07:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Can I retroactively claim an edit I made?
I made a fairly large edit to a Wiki page and while I was doing so, was concentrating on making sure I had accurate references and didn't think to create an account to claim the edits I made. However, after I hit publish, I realized my edit was substantial and was pleased with my addition to the article, and I hadn't made it under any account. I immediately created a wiki user account in order to be able to do so in the future, but want to know if there is any way I can retroactively claim an edit I made? I hit submit, and then realized right away afterwards my folly, so immediately made an account- so the edit I made will be attached to the same IP as the IP matched to my account (unsure if this is helpful or not but thought I'd include for thoroughness). If there is anyway to do so, I would greatly appreciate being able to claim my edits, especially as I can be forgetful sometimes and may forget to login in the future while doing minor edits or while tired so this will be useful forever! Justyouraveragewikieditor (talk) 09:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . There is no technical way in normal circumstances to connect an IP edit with a newly registered account. However, you are entirely free to click on your currently missing, redlinked user page, and tell us about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. That might include something like "Before I registered my account, I edited Article So-and-so". Cullen328 (talk) 09:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It appears that you 'solved' this problem by registering for this account, deleting the content you had added to Jens Söring without an account, and then restoring it minutes later while logged in to your account. David notMD (talk) 11:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Editors do not 'own' articles, not their edits to articles. Going forward, an editor might decide that your addition - the last paragraph of the Documentaries section - is inappropriately over-detailed (I, for one, think so) and cut parts. Do not get into edit wars in attempts to perserve your wording. Lastly, see WP:MINOR for when to tag edits as minor. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is what I did as suggested by another user that I thought would do the trick. I did not do so because I believe I own the article, it's that I was pleased with my addition and realized I wanted to continue to log future revisions to articles and thought that my revision to that article was a great place to start in logging my contributions. I'm sorry you found it was inappropriately over-detailed; I prefer to be thorough especially in what I like to find out as a reader of wiki articles to see if I want to go explore on my own and learn more or not. I'm not looking to get into an edit war to preserve wording; if someone wants to cut parts as they deem fit, that's part of the process of collaboration. Thank you for the tip, I didn't notice that my first edit but have marked it that way now. Justyouraveragewikieditor (talk) 11:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, this was a brilliant idea, thank you so much, this is essentially what I did! Justyouraveragewikieditor (talk) 11:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello pls check
how are you, can you check my recent page I made I am juststarter here is link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Amr_ibn_Haram XUnknown Entity (talk) 07:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Abdullah ibn Amr ibn Haram is presently entirely unsourced, which is not permitted. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:34, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * oh how do I make it sourced pls tell XUnknown Entity (talk) 07:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * See WP:CITE. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There's an even more salient issue, XUnknown Entity. Up to this point the history of the article says that it was written by you alone. However, the English of that version (and the current version) is of an utterly different kind from that of your request above. Why do you have to such very different ways of writing English? -- Hoary (talk) 07:45, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You see Hoary, I just write the text above for asking and not for professionalism, but while making a wiki page I require professionalism.
 * Hope I solved your queries XUnknown Entity (talk) 07:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , are you using any type of artificial intelligence program, like Chat GPT, or anything similar, to write content on Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 07:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well no I don't use ai to make these but I do go on sources to collect data and rearrange them. BTW I need to go can any of you correct my work pls XUnknown Entity (talk) 07:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , why is it that your English prose is so poor here at the Teahouse, but both seemingly fluent but completely vapid when you are contributing to articles? As for "needing to go", you can answer this when you return to Wikipedia. We all need to eat, sleep, work or go to school, visit with friends and family, exercise and be entertained. Cullen328 (talk) 08:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I do go on sources to collect data and rearrange them. to me this reads as if he copypastes from sources then slightly shifts things around, so that introduces a new problem WP:COPYVIO if my reading of this is correct. Lavalizard101 (talk) 12:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Please note the lack of references to reliable sources, and the anodyne, banal prose that seems to hint that this person must be notable, without making any clear claim of notability. This draft summarizes . . . what? We have no idea since it is unreferenced. Cullen328 (talk) 09:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Drafts can take weeks of work and be Declined one or more times before being accepted by a reviewer. The next steps include adding references and deleting all content not specifically supported by those references. Much of what is in the draft lauds the man but contains no facts about him. All that must be removed. David notMD (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

WAIT!!! It appears that Wikipedia already has an article about this person at Abd Allah ibn Amr ibn al-As. If same person, then your draft should be deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

need help
i want to create a page for a school in sanath nagar hyderbad india, but it is not getting approved Rutvik888 (talk) 11:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, your draft was rejected, meaning it cannot be submitted for review anymore. After 6 declines, there were no significant improvements to the sourcing of the article. I know its tough, but I recommend moving on and improving one of our six million articles instead! Ca talk to me! 12:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating propoganda articles
@Ala Ef is creating propaganda articles. He created Disinformation in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war Arabic with titled Israeli propaganda during Operation Al-Aqsa. And his sandboxes also contains Max Weber's different views propaganda like User:Ala Ef/H3. He should accountable for creating fringe articles. 116.74.127.108 (talk) 13:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a great deal of Disinformation in the 2023 Israel–Hamas war. WP should have an article about it. Its contents should be well sourced. Meanwhile users are allowed to develop articles or article fragments in their own userspace. Please don't use this forum to grind your axe. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there a tool to see where a source/URL has been used/cited on WikiPedia?
I have noticed what appears to be unrelated links inserted/cited in articles. Example "Xyz.com" added to a page about ABC---which has nothing to do with XYZ.com, and XYZ.com is not a reliable source.

Is there a way for me to find out all the times "XYZ.com" has been used as a source?

[Im using that as an example obviously] Comintell (talk) 08:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you enter the real world equivalent into the search box, you should learn which Wikipedia articles mention that website. Cullen328 (talk) 08:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Comintell (talk) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, you may be looking for Special:LinkSearch. Ca talk to me! 11:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Comintell See also Help:Searching, especially about using so-called "insource" searching. That can be used to find strings of text such as a web link that wouldn't appear in the text as rendered in an article but do occur in the source code. My Userpage has a few examples I regularly use for clean-up purposes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Recognising AI generated content
I have been monitoring an article Abhishek Malhan which was being developed mainly by an user User:Columbidae5. Till this revision (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abhishek_Malhan&oldid=1184439147) everything was fine, i had mentioned issues in the talk page and the user fixed it. What surprised me in this revision (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abhishek_Malhan&oldid=1184584332) was that the user's vocabulary and choice of words became very "professional","unnatural" and were against WP:PEACOCK. I suspected that the the new content added was AI generated. I didn't raise the issue with the user and removed all the peacock terms from the article.

I wanted to know how to effectively recognise AI generated content?

Regards Leoneix (talk) 16:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I also added a rfc tag in the talk page regarding its notability. Consider sharing your opinion so that we can decide with consensus. Leoneix (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I looked at the version which you posted here, which has a diff of only a few words; and at the sources. I cannot see that there is any evidence to support your AI concern. Nor can I see any issue about the notability of the subject, and so I removed the notability tag on the article. There is maybe a question for WP to address on the subject of AI text, although I imagine the answer will be, if properly sourced & referenced, is okay. However you have not made a convincing case that there is anything to see or worry about in this instance. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ]There are several sites where you can paste text and have it checked, eg  Doug Weller  talk 20:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Complaint on a Wikipedia Editor
How do I go about making a complaint on a Wikipedia editor who's been undoing my revisions for being "unsourced", when I have told them that I'll be working on the sources gradually? I understand they volunteer their effort for this work, but so do I. I'm not on Wikipedia the whole time and may need dedicated time just to write and edit. Can't the editor remind me to add citations (I've seen other editors do this) instead of immediately deleting/undoing my revisions? Thank you! Nellaireb (talk) 14:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You can complain at WP:ANI but you should be prepared to come off worse from the encounter. Biographies of living people are held to a higher standard. Seen in that context, reverting your edits and advising you to add sources at the same time as adding material is treating you very gently. Cabayi (talk) 14:11, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. If you see the page I'm editing, I have to look for sources in languages that I'm not fluent in and they go a few years back. All I'm asking is time. Nellaireb (talk) 14:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Find the sources FIRST. Add the text after you have found the sources. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * See WP:BACKWARDS as above you need to find the sources FIRST! Theroadislong (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, I am now in the middle of adding sources when an editor informed me that guest appearances are not included in the Wikipedia page. Is this correct? Nellaireb (talk) 15:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A WP:BLP is not a CV. It is supposed to be a summary of WP:RS that are independent of the subject. Listing every guest appearance likely fails WP:PROPORTION. If a specific guest appearance got coverage in decent WP:RS, it may be worth including. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood. Nellaireb (talk) 15:56, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , leaving a note on 's user talk page would be more helpful than relying on edit summaries. Cabayi (talk) 14:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Nellaireb. If you are working from a computer you may want to start your editing work using an offline document. I have a Mac, so use TextEdit, but I believe PCs have Notebook. I create a document to store information from sources I’ve found, format my reference citations, and add notes on the data sourced from each reference. I may spend a couple weeks gathering information, that I store outside of Wikipedia, before I start the actual editing process. Best wishes on your Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Tampa Fire Station
How do I make a correction to a fact that is incorrect ? on a page

Tampa Fire Station incorrectly listed as being built in 1974. I got on the job in 1974 and the new station wasn't built until 1978 how do I suggest that this change be made?

Wowthing2 (talk) 21:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * At the foot of the talk page of the specific article, Wowthing2. Go to the article, look for the link "Talk", click on it, and there you are. You'll have to be clear, and you'll have to cite what Wikipedia regards as a reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 22:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Calgary and Edmonton articles should have protection
Where should I ask for protection on an article? The Calgary and Edmonton articles should probably have some sort of protection. It is surprising to me that articles with as many views are unprotected and open to editing by IP addresses, especially with both being considered vital articles (level 4 for Calgary, and level 5 for Edmonton). Edmonton in particular seems to have quite a bit of vandalism by IP users to the point that it was protected from September 25-30 for persistent vandalism. Not even 2 weeks later after the protection expired, these IP users started their vandalism again. Calgary doesn't seem to have the same level of vandalism, but enough I feel to warrant protection. AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:RPP Leoneix (talk) 17:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @AKFkrewfamKF1 Please read the protection policy at WP:PP before applying. Leoneix (talk) 17:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ive decided to apply Edmonton for protection, but not Calgary. The vandalism of Calgary isn't quite persistent like on Edmonton.
 * Thanks AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I propose a new feature for wikipedia
I think there's a new features proposal thing that occasionally happens aroound this time of year. I have two ideas for new features I want to propose


 * 1) Highlight and apply template option in visual editor. This will allow for easy application of certain templates such as language tags from the visual editor
 * 2) Wikidata section links: For such situations the section header will have a language dropdown indicator. This could go to articles or other sections in foreign language wikipedias and potentially solve the bonnie and clyde problem. Depending on how it's implemented it could help with translation between wikipedias too by letting people track which subtopics are covered in articles in which languages, someone could use an expand-language template and specify a section from that language's page.

Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 06:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * WP:PHAB or WP:VPR Leoneix (talk) 06:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ping - @Immanuelle Leoneix (talk) 06:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Village pump (proposals) is probably the best place to begin. Try to explain your ideas there with greater clarity. Cullen328 (talk) 06:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will go over there tomorrow with a better written proposal Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 06:49, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Immanuelle, if your goal is to get your proposal voted in on next year's community wishlist, you might want to peruse meta:Community Wishlist Survey/How to create a good proposal whilst still in the brainstorming period. In particular, I'm not sure to what degree the Community Tech team and VisualEditor dev team overlap, and whether Community Tech would be able / comfortable making changes to the VisualEditor. Folly Mox (talk) 19:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Folly Mox thank you. I made a village pump proposal and will later attempt to do that Village_pump_(proposals) Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia keeps overriding my font style changes
I changed the default body font in my Preferences/Appearance page. But whenever I load a page the new font appears only for a split second, and then again gets replaced with the old one. What to do? Petergacs (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * What kind of device are you using? Funtrucker (talk) 18:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I Do Not Think They Will Let You Change Your Font No MAtter The Device KnownPlacesEditor (talk) 21:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Changing your font is certainly an option, but we'll need to know a few more details. Like, for instance, what is your device, and what change you made. DS (talk) 23:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see no font option under "Appearance" at Special:Preferences. I guess you mean that you clicked a "Custom CSS" link there and edited User:Petergacs/common.css which can be reached in several ways. Try one of these to avoid an override from somewhere else:
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 23:44, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * PrimeHunter (talk) 23:44, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

New S|A School
Please add Queens Village to SACS's List of schools KnownPlacesEditor (talk) 21:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @KnownPlacesEditor I suspect many, like me, have no idea what that acronym means. But you would be better off going directly to the article your are interested in and leaving a request on its talk page, plus a link to any reference you think might support your request.
 * For obscure articles with very little traffic, you can draw another editor's attention to that page by following the WP:EDITREQUEST process. Hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * But note that most lists are not lists of everything meeting the description, but lists of Wikipedia articles about items meeting the description. It may be necessary to create the article first - but that can only be done in the school in question meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 22:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'll assume that this is about the list at Success Academy Charter Schools. I've revised the list for Queens per the cited source, including two elementary schools in Queens Village. Deor (talk) 00:42, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding italics to citation when source incorrectly does NOT have italics
The scientific name (genus, species) of an animal should be in italics. I saw in a citation, it was not italics. I went to the source of the citation & saw it correctly had italics for the scientific name. So I changed it to italics. Did this for 2 citations. Found a 3rd citation that had the same error. Went to the source & found it incorrectly did NOT have the scientific name in italics. The quandary for me is, should I leave the Wiki citation as non-italics to match the incorrect source document, OR should I change it to italics?

Sunandshade (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Read WP:MOS. Funtrucker (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * MOS says to use italics for scientific names of animals. So are you saying I should change the citation so the scientific name is in italics? Sunandshade (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Funtrucker has only made two edits on WP and created their account yesterday. I go out on a limb and say they have nothing useful to say here. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Sunandshade: This is covered in Typographic conformity in the Manual of Style. Specifically: Formatting removed. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:56, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Trying to understand how all this works. Your statement says "formatting removed".  What does that mean?  In your quote, it says to preserve italics.  But when I read that whole section, it talks about using italics for emphasis & it seems to imply that when quoting, italics should be preserved.  But this is a scientific name & I'm not asking about preserving italics but adding it.  So I don't know if you are saying I should add italics or keep it as non-italics. Sunandshade (talk) 20:13, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sunandshade, I've had a good look round, have found nothing that advises that a non-italicised taxon name in a source should be non-italic in the citation. Equally Manual of Style/Organisms, which sets italicisation policy, does not comment on whether it extends to citations. It is indeed, at the moment, a quandary, with reasonable arguments on both sides :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's just me making a disclaimer that the quoted text has been edited by me and in what manner. The way I read that section is that whether a word or phrase should be italicised or not should not change from how its original formatting in the quote outlined in the MOS, even if the formatting is wrong by convention. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * That is a fair reading, but it can be argued the thrust of that section of the MoS is about quotations; and it can be argued that the title of a citation is not a quotation, or, perhaps, is different from a quotation. It also starts with the word 'generally', indicating that there are exceptions to its advice on italicisation, although we do not get to learn what these exceptions are. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ultimately the MOS is a collection of guidelines, and while it's best to keep things consistent across all articles, that's not always possible, and that might need to discussed for a particular article if applicable. If it happens to be in the title of a work that is conventionally italicised by the encyclopedia's citation standards, I'd italicise it with everything else if each word was the same (i.e., none are italicisied), or if it's distinct from the rest by being the only word(s) italicised, I'd italicise everything but the original italicised words, which remain unitalicised in the citation. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Considering:  It is indeed, at the moment, a quandary, with reasonable arguments on both sides.  And:  starts with the word 'generally', indicating that there are exceptions to its advice on italicisation.  I plan to change the citation to the article so that the animal name is in italics.  E.g., "Humans (Homo sapiens) working in snow".  Thanks to everyone for your input. Sunandshade (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Some will argue that text formatting markup in citation parameters will pollute the COinS metadata for downstream reusers. Folly Mox (talk) 02:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well no. Either it does or it does not affect COinS. If it does, then it's a problem which COinS needs to fix. Let's not have the tail wag the dog. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Help editing & adding ref specifics
I am editing an existing Wikipedia article Saskatoon Hilltops. The first 11 refs are fine, I am inserting 12 through 16 and then renumbering the current 12 and 13 to 17 and 18, but don't know how to get the LINK to go live, so I can insert the citation details which I have placed as text directly under the paragraph I added. I last did this in 2019 and it was simpler then and add a failing memory too. Doc Football (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * See Help:Referencing for beginners, Help:Referencing for beginners without using templates or Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. You put the references inside ref tags. You do not assign ref numbers yourself. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Doc Football: I just edited the article to help you out. I also suggest using cite news or cite web so the formatting of the references you added matches those that were already there. GoingBatty (talk) 05:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping me out. My sixth sense told me that if I provided the info, I could count on a mate that knew what to do, to help me out. Gidday from Doc Football 2604:3D09:E378:9700:3584:D8AF:BEB0:AE8 (talk) 05:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

What is making this draft class article assess as start?
Totally inane question but I like to use the WikiProject Crime assessment table so I can find unassessed articles and assess them for the project, and this minor thing is bugging me. This rejected draft-class article shows up as start class for some reason despite not being classed as that and I have no idea why. It's not classed as start on the talk page. Me removing all the unnecessary tags did not fix it. It's been a few days and the other entries have updated so it's not just the site waiting to reload. Am I missing something really obvious? Why does this assess as start? PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . https://wp1.openzim.org is a website that is unaffiliated with Wikipedia and I suggest that you just ignore that website. A rating there is of no value on Wikipedia. Also, the draft was declined, not rejected. That is an important distinction. Cullen328 (talk) 02:47, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't make the draft haha. Sorry, forgot about that terminology difference, my bad. I know it's unaffiliated but the WP1.0 bot has it stubbornly marked as start and I've never seen that before. Guess it's bugged out or something. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * (ec) I speculate, but it may be that the Wikipedia 1.0 Server design is flawed. There are a couple of date columns, which afaics are the talk page version dates which is it relying on for the importance and class information. For whatever reason it is relying on the 10 July 2023 talk page for the start rating. The pattern seems to be that it is selecting the date at which the first importance rating was made - this diff, this version; and the first date at which a class parameter was added - this diff, this version. It's then not noticing that that start class has been removed. idk why, but, as I say, smells like a design issue. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia:Version 1.0 is a 20 year old project that is moribund. You can safely ignore anything that came out of that project. Cullen328 (talk) 03:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the people who are still working on that Wikipedia 1.0 Server this year, fixing issues &c, would be a bit pissed off to hear you diss their project like that, Cullen328. PARAKANYAA, its owners are still around; you can talk to them on Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean, even Template:WP1.0 has been deleted. Folly Mox (talk) 03:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not clear what you mean. Both the tool and the project supporting the tool are still alive. Try again. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that the ratings systems are used project-wide. It's not exactly a weird niche thing. -- asilvering (talk) 10:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * So, anyway: logged as a new issue: https://github.com/openzim/wp1/issues/695 --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Peening: History
Hi, I want to add some paragraphs to the History section of the Peening article Peening to improve this section and also to give some information about the use of peening to improve metal strength. Both these issues are discussed on the Peening Talk page.Talk:Peening. I have prepared the text in my sandbox but would like to have it reviewed before inserting it onto the live page. How can I move it to the draft review page? Thanks CSK45Kays (talk) 15:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, CSK45Kays, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Draft (WP:AFC) mechanism is only for new articles, so cannot be used here.
 * I suggest either:
 * Be Bold, and copy your new text into the article, and see if anybody disagrees, or
 * Post your proposed text on Talk:Peening and see if anybody disagrees. If not, you can copy it into the article.
 * You could also post at WT:WikiProject Metalworking, linking to the Talk page or you sandbox, though that project says that it is semi-active, so you might not get any reply. ColinFine (talk) 15:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Colin, Thanks for your reply. I think I'll go ahead and post it - there's virtually no activity on the talk page. Thanks again. CSK45Kays (talk) 12:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Help, all the sources are in Serbo-Croatian...
Hi, the subject of this article is definitely notable, there are several independent sources and he's apparently been awarded several civic medals, but all of the sources are in Serbo-Croatian, so I can't read them! Can someone who knows these languages help out with the article? AriTheHorse 14:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, AriTheHorse. You might try looking at the user pages of editors in Category:User sr and especially Category:Translators sr-en. They will not all be currently active, and not all may be willing to help you, but probably some will. (I've only looked at Serbian rather than Croatian or Bosnian. If you talk about "Serbo-Croatian" nowadays, some people with one of those nationalities will get upset). ColinFine (talk) 14:31, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

notification settings
Hi. For new accounts on enwiki, by default, do they get notification after successfully mentioning/pinging other editor? I am not sure about English Wikipedia, but on all the other projects, you have to turn this on from the preferences. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, usernamekiran, and welcome to the Teahouse and to English Wikipedia. I'm not quite sure what you're asking. When somebody pings me, I get a notification, but when I ping somebody else, I do not get a notification (though I hope that they do!). Does that answer your question? ColinFine (talk) 12:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. yes, thats what I was trying to ask, thank you for your response/sharing your experience. In case you are wondering, under Special:Preferences, in "notifications" section, you get two options: one to get notification on successful ping, and other for failed pings. I might have turned these on years ago which I cant recall now. A couple of years later, I had similar issue on other wikimedia project, so I made changes to global configurations - Special:GlobalPreferences. Yesterday, I had same issue on wikitech, which is mediawiki project, but out of scope of WP:SUL, and global preferences. I was aware about wikitech, but that gave me the doubt regarding enwiki's default settings as I couldnt recall turning them on. Thanks again for your response. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:20, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Usernamekiran: Not by default, no. I remember going to my preferences to allow notifications for when a ping was unsuccessfully delivered and the option to receive notifications on successful pings was unchecked. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I tried "Reset settings" in an alternate account. "Failed mention" and "Successful mention" are disabled everywhere. There have been cases where some default preferences depend on when the account was created so I cannot guarantee it has always been like this. I assume a reset uses the current default for new accounts. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * yes, this is possible. my account was created in early 2012, that is almost 12 years now. Maybe it was default in those days. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

I want to make a nice user page can anyone help
pls help me I don't know how to code XUnknown Entity (talk) 08:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You may find something helpful at User page design guide. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your current User page content goes against the guidelines at WP:UP. I suggest you deleted everything and start over. David notMD (talk) 10:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Why can you explain please XUnknown Entity (talk) 15:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The first step would be to remove the phrase "something that makes you wonder why more children aren't aborted?" from the userpage. Ca talk to me! 15:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, see WP:UP. what goes there is content that is about your background and intentions as all that pertains to your intentions as a Wikipedia editor. At present, nothing you have created applies to that guideline. David notMD (talk) 17:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Aligning templates
If there is a and a  template to left-align and right-align things, is there a  and a  template? I tried both of them, but it said that they were unused templates being used for something kinda like a disambiguation page.

Thanks, Shadestar474   (talk)  04:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Like something that would align the chosen template/text with the bottom edge of the closest content above it? Shadestar474   (talk)  04:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Can't it be done by something like this?
 * stuff goes here Ca talk to me! 15:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I admittedly don't know much CSS, so take that with a grain of salt. Ca talk to me! 15:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you! I thought it would be a template, guess I was looking in the completely wrong place!
 * Best regards, Shadestar474   (talk)  18:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why my last article was declined
Can anyone tell why my last article Ladli Behna Yojana declined Dhrubajit61 (talk) 18:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It was not clear to the reader what a Yojana is. It may have other format & sourcing issues, but that seems to be the main thing. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Can u tell me how can I change the title of my article, I can't find any option to change the title Dhrubajit61 (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This has been answered at the AfC Helpdesk. Please don't ask questions in multiple places @Dhrubajit61  Qcne  (talk)  18:06, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok Dhrubajit61 (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Best way to find sources?
After successfully creating an article for the first time just under a week ago, I have decided to move on to another article. Since the first page was related to a group of youtubers, I decided to do another youtuber, and eventually decided on Aphmau. But, before creating a draft (which I haven't done yet) I decided to find some sources. So, like the last time, I decided to go to Google and look for articles. The problem is that YouTubers get alot of junk articles written about them. "Best Youtubers", "This YouTuber released some merch" stuff like that, or articles from unreliable sources. I experienced this with the pervious article, but since Aphmau is way more popular than the subject of my last article (18 mil compared to 10 mil subscribers), I'm finding it even harder to find any reliable, independent articles with significant coverage of the source through all this junk. It took a very long time of sifting through many pages of google, using multiple different search terms to find what I needed last time, and I don't have the time to spend twice as long this time. So I wanted to ask if there is a better way.

Thanks, AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 17:21, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Maybe I should have chosen someone less popular. AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 17:25, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @AKFkrewfamKF1 If it was me looking, I would google books and news  and see what pops up. No guarantee these will be useful, but at least they are weeded. If the topic was older, I'd check archive.org as well. If you stick around, the WP:LIBRARY will get available to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will try those other sources, and the WP:LIBRARY once I get to 500 edits. AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * and 6 months. Forgot about that part. AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 19:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

"conquering" isn't a neutral word in State of Palestine
I noticed recent subtle POV pushing edits in that article. One of them is phrasing the 1967 war or Naksa as something as "conquering" Gaza. But can we also call the USA as conquering Iraq despite its illegal controversial nature? I don't think the word, "conquering" Gaza strip is appropriate given its controversial illegality. It's not like the international community today regards palestine Gaza strip to be legally absorbed into israel without dispute. However am also aware the topic attracts those who strongly pick a side and I don't wish to argue with persistent editors, but was I right to suggest that "conquering" is an inappropriate word to call what is deemed an illegal war? Yet when I try to mention that it should be reworded in a more balanced manner and not use puffery, my suggestion to improve the article was reverted by an editor, persistent on that page, who says I am using that Talk as a forum and breaking some arbitration rules. So what is my best course of action here to address this if I can't even discuss it on the article's talk page? 49.186.236.32 (talk) 18:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you posted your concern in Talk:State of Palestine, which is the best place to discuss the content of the article.  I see your first attempt to raise the concern on the talk page was reverted by another editor.  I don't know why you reverted your second attempt to post here. GoingBatty (talk) 18:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The other editor had claimed I was using the talk page as FORUM and also breaking arbitration rules by posting my suggestion there and why they revert. They point out WP:ARBECR, which I am not too familiar with that term. But I skim read the rule and it said something about only extended confirmed editors can edit there. Considering I am not an extended confirmed editor, I assume that's their reason why I am not allowed to raise this issue on talk there. So had to revert my suggestion to improve that page. But as a non-extended confirmed editor, am I actually allowed to edit the Talk page or not? I like to ask this too here as an unsure about that.49.186.236.32 (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:ARBECR states: Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive. Unfortunately, unless you have a specific Edit request you can't edit the talk page of articles with extended confirmed restrictions. Best wishes Polyamorph (talk) 18:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply but am a bit confused. My edit request wasn't disruptive but a suggestion to improve the article. And also as a non-extended confirmed editor, am I not allowed to suggest that on that Talk page unless I become an extended confirmed editor? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:State_of_Palestine You wrote, Unfortunately, unless you have a specific Edit request you can't edit the talk page of articles with extended confirmed restrictions. So am I allowed to raise this issue as a non extended confirmed editor, on that talk page or not? I am telling the others to not use the word "conquering" because it creates a misleading impression that Israwl righteously absorbed Gaza strip without any issues with international laws. I think that was a fairly well explained edit request, and sorry but your explanation doesn't really confirm to me much clarity on this on whether I am allowed to make such a request on that talk page. 49.186.236.32 (talk) 18:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can make an edit request. But it has to be specific to the exact change you want made in the article, following the instructions at WP:EDITREQ and using the editrequest template. You can use the edit request wizard to simplify the process: Edit Request Wizard. Best wishes Polyamorph (talk) 18:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is a desired outcome of ARBECR. Not all "edit requests"—suggestions for article improvement—have to be templated WP:EDITREQs. Requiring them to all be the latter means we'll get more controversial requests, which is not the intended use of an EDITREQ. If there's a widespread view that ARBECR prevents regular talk page discussion participation from IPs, it's news to me, and I think we'd need to bring it up for ArbCom confirmation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it depends, if an edit request is made without the template and it seems reasonable, it would likely be discussed but if there is "forumy" stuff attached to it, as in this case, or no sourcing, then probably not. Selfstudier (talk) 19:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Likely to be discussed" is important, but not relevant to whether it's an ARBECR violation. If it's forumy to the point of disruption, then that fails the ARBECR criteria. I don't think this IPs post took it that far. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:ARBECR was updated on 11 Nov stating non-EC users can only make edit requests. I guess its possible to make an edit request without using the template, if it is sufficiently precise. I suggested the template as that's unambiguously permitted according to ARBECR. Polyamorph (talk) 19:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oof I missed that. Thanks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your time and explanation. I appreciate it a lot and think I understand it well now. Only very specific edit requests using a request template, for non confirmed extended editors. Seems a bit unfair, but thanks again for that information. 49.186.236.32 (talk) 19:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're still interested in putting your original post back on the talk page, I would be wiling to restore it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC) striking at 19:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nevermind! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's only for contentious topics that have been protected, as indicated by a banner on the talk page. It's unfortunate that it's necessary. Most articles you can should be able to edit. Cheers Polyamorph (talk) 19:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

GA / FA of a cinematographer
I would like to know if there is any GA or FA about a cinematographer. Also, is there a way to search for GA/FA articles from a particular category? TIA <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 20:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Although there are always issues with using the WP category tree, petscan offers a means of answering the question by looking for articles that are in category:good articles and some other category, such as cinematographers, e.g. https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=26392890 --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Jeraxmoira Welcome to the Teahouse. An alternative route in is by going to WP:WikiProject Film, you will find hidden in its depth a table of 'Article Assessments', listing all topics that fall under that group, both by quality and 'importance' to the project. See it here. Click the number in the appropriate row to find a link to a list of GA and list of FA articles tagged by that Project. I hope that helps. Hint: Look at the talk page of any article that interests you to see which WikiProjects that article is claimed by (often more than one). I think every project has a similar table, which is useful for finding not only the highest quality articles, but also the shortest, the most important, and the most in need of easy improvement.  Hope this helps, though I think Tagishsimon's answer addresses your question more directly. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Tagishsimon and Nick Moyes. I was not aware of petscan and WP1.0 before. This was very helpful <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 19:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Introducing a mathematician
User:Drmohammadimath/sandbox - Wikipedia

Hi.

I have written a Wikipedia page for a Mathematician and I wrote all facts about him by citing some references. I do not intend to say that he is brilliant or notable. I just want to introduce him to young Mathematician. But the editors declined the page and said that you should provide some references to show that he is notable and brilliant...

But I just want to introduce him...like the other information that people get from Wikipedia!

What can I do now? Because the page is well-written and all the information are correct with citing the references Drmohammadimath (talk) 14:06, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Drmohammadimath, and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * I'm afraid that "introducing" somebody is not part of the purpose of Wikipedia - indeed, you might even say that it is a kind of promotion, which is not allowed on Wikipedia.
 * A Wikipedia article summarises what other people, unconnected to the subject have chosen to publish about the subject - nothing more. All of your references in Draft:Stefano De Marchi are to works by de Marchi, but they are irrelevant. Wikipedia requires substantial works about de Marchi, not written or published by himself, or his colleagues, or his institutions.
 * If you can find at least three sources about him which meet all the requirement5s of the golden rule, then it may be possible to write a Wikipedia article about him. Otherwise, you should give up, and put your energies somewhere else. We have more than six million articles, most of them crying out for people to improve them. ColinFine (talk) 14:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , please note that there's no requirement for someone to be brilliant to qualify as an article subject. We have articles about people who are the opposite of brilliant but still notable. They just need to meet the criteria set out at WP:GNG, summarised at WP:GOLDENRULE (WP:NPROF might be relevant here too). Cordless Larry (talk) 18:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Drmohammadimath, the English of the draft and the English of your question above seem remarkably different. It's as if they were written by two different people. Can you explain this contrast? -- Hoary (talk) 21:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Mika Muramatsu
Can you create it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.178.201 (talk) 22:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You can read WP:YFA and create it yourself, or you can request it at WP:RA but that may take a long time. RudolfRed (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The draft has already been created - Draft:Mika Muramatsu - and the user presumably wants it promoted. It's in the AfC queue. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, can you create Mika Muramatsu? 193.207.178.201 (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No. I'm not convinced the references are reliable sources - WP:RS. (And the photo is a copyright violation). I expect whoever picks it up on Articles for Creation will reject it. Please read WP:RS and find better sources for the article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The image has now been deleted as a copyvio, and a long history of previous AfC rejections has been restored to the draft. If you do not find better sources, the article will not be created. And you are at substantial risk of the draft being rejected outright, with no possibility of resubmitting it. WP people only have so much patience. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've already declined this once. Nine other editors have also declined it. (Or possibly more than nine have: looking through the draft's history for the improperly removed decline notices is a rather tiring chore and I may have missed one or two.) Not wanting to appear vindictive, I shall refrain from rejecting the draft. Another editor may wish to do so. -- Hoary (talk) 22:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I brought this to ANI Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents sorry if I made a mistake it is the first time I brought something to ANI Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think it needed taking to ANI. AfC is big enough to look after itself. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The IP has indicated they're done with the draft. I've declined it. The subject may well be notable, fwiw, but it'll likely require someone with Japanese language skills to revive it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I restored the final two AfC decline notices to the draft. All thirteen are now visible. Folly Mox (talk) 03:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Someone please double-tap this zombie draft. David notMD (talk) 09:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Apropos of zombies, David notMD, how about an article flagged as failing to cite any source for 11 years, 11 months and counting? -- Hoary (talk) 21:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's no good. AfDd. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

new articles
how can i sort my contributions to just see new articles created (not including redirects)? Iljhgtn (talk) 21:36, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This. -- Hoary (talk) 21:47, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks Iljhgtn (talk) 21:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Article help
Hello! I'm making an article, however, that article exists in a different language, I have the means to translate the information, however, I do not know if the article would then fall under plagiarism for using the other article's citations and (paraphrased) information. Imoutofchoices (talk) 20:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Imoutofchoices See Translation and Help:Translation. Make sure the article meets the en-WP WP:N requirements. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Imoutofchoices (talk) 20:57, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Imoutofchoices, as long as your username is Imoutofchoices, please sign your messages "Imoutofchoices". Thanks. -- Hoary (talk) 21:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oops! was messing with my settings and accidentally changed my signature to that, Sorry! Imoutofchoices (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Can I open all i-ready lessons to me?
I had a Technical Difficulties with i-ready. I-ready lessons has a lot a time. Can we open all i-ready lessons to me, please? EddyBearJr (talk) 00:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This page, EddyBearJr, is for requests for help using Wikipedia. Your question is about something called "i-ready". I don't know what that is, but it's not Wikipedia. You'll have to ask elsewhere. -- Hoary (talk) 00:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there a place where editors look for articles with little or no references?
I've just added a "More citations needed" template to Richard Morrison (film titles designer), the first time I've added a template like that, as I suspect he's one of many people I've stumbled across on IMDB over the years, who adds all their own credits, whether they're credited on-screen on not.

He might be credited in all 249 productions on his profile, but I doubt it.

I noticed his Wikipedia article when I was searching to see whether he worked for the titles company listed directly below him, and it seems like he did, as there's roughly 10 more films where him and that company are credited together.

The only reference on the article is an interview with him from 2008.

While reading the template I noticed it has been added to 368,000 articles, not to mention the similar templates which have also been added to articles, and wondered if there's a place where those 368,000+ articles are listed once the template has been added. Danstarr69 (talk) 00:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes: Category:All articles needing additional references. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Presuming you can see the hidden categories at the foot of the article, you will be able to see the categories into which articles are placed when templates are applied. I cannot remeber whether you have to set something in preferences to be able to see hidden categories; maybe someone can throw some light on that. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Tagishsimon I couldn't see the hidden categories.
 * However I've just had a look through the "Category:All articles needing additional references" by clicking on a letter, and searching backwards, as there seems to be no search filter, not even in the URL, to see if there were any articles listed there related to the City of Bradford, and to my surprise, I saw Bradford listed there, along with some other articles which are also well-referenced, which don't even contain the template...
 * ...at the top of the article at least.
 * However I've now just enabled hidden categories, and it's listed at the bottom of the Bradford article, along with many more unneeded categories, so I think I'll be removing a lot of these soon.
 * How is it possible for an article to contain this hidden category at the bottom, when it doesn't contain the template message at the top? You would have thought they were linked. Danstarr69 (talk) 01:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The Culture section in the Bradford article has a citations needed banner. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

First time adding to an article, getting a citation error message
Hi guys, I've only made 3-4 minor edits to articles and just made my first big edit (for me haha). I added an awards section on Neil Newbon's page for his new Golden Joystick award. When I added the reference to the article I used and published the changes, I got this error at the top: Cite error: There are  tags on this page without content in them

I tried to edit the reference using one of the resources in the Wiki help page to generate sources next but the error is still there. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can fix it and know how to properly add it next time please? Also if there are any suggestions for easy to use generators for citations let me know, I'm currently using a JavaScript bookmarklet. Haris00911 (talk) 03:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ – it looks like an empty reference accidentally got added as the very first thing on the page. That would be tricky to find for sure, (probably impossible, actually, if you're using the Visual Editor, which hides the reference code). The reference you did intend to add works correctly – thank you for your contribution! Tollens (talk) 03:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Great catch, thank you for such a fast fix! I must have fat fingered it while figuring out the editing tools, looking forward to contributing more regularly:) Haris00911 (talk) 03:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hats Off to Del Shannon
what's missing in The Hats Off to Del Shannon article? Samchristie05 (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources. AllMusic assures us the album exists, but it does not assure notbility. (Although right now I get an error 404.) The book is an Xlibris US publication, which is to say, it is a self-published book and so is not a WP:RS. Notability generally calls for more than one reliable source. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Draft:Hats Off to Del Shannon fwiw --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * what fwiw means, never heard if it before? Samchristie05 (talk) 23:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Generaly the best advice with initialisms like this, is to google them. As it is, it means "for what it's worth". --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * What else is missing is encyclopaedic tone. What on earth is "the real crime was that this album wasn't put out in the U.S. or Canada" doing in a proposed wikipedia article? What does "There was this 'album voild' between the Runaway album and what would become the Little Town Flirt album.[2] The Album fixed this problem in England, but not in America.[2] An opportunity was missed, but fans were still buyer of singles" mean? Why is wikipedia saying "An opportunity was missed". Is this just cut & paste from the self-published book? The text in the article is VERY FAR AWAY from neutral tone. If you do not see that this sort of text is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article than that seems to be a big problem. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The drafts about albums that you have submitted and have had accepted are of better quality and referencing compared to this one, although you have made post-criticism edits to resolve the non-encyclopaedic tone. P.S. Early on, you acted as a Reviewer to approve your own drafts. Glad to see that this practice has since stopped. David notMD (talk) 00:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks if it wasn't for Article Wizard Draft Creation i wouldn't have continue to act as a reviewer Samchristie05 (talk) 01:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * do you think Teenage Idol, Travelin' Man: The Complete Biography of Rick Nelson would help me find more source for Album Seven by Rick, & Spotlight on Rick? Samchristie05 (talk) 01:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * What's also missing from the Hats Off to Del Shannon draft (in its current state) is any indication that this album is Notable (in the Wikipedia sense). Confirmation of its existence, content, release dates etc. are useful details to have in an article (and have been well presented), but are not sufficient on their own to justify there being an article. What would do that is summaries of several pieces (published in reliable sources, such as Melody Maker, to take a random example), by various established music critics and historians talking about the album's artistic qualities, importance in Shannon's career, etc.
 * Brian C. Young, whose book you have cited, might be considered an established authority, since he has written material about Shannon for music publisher Bear Family Records (and perhaps other publishers?), but a self-published book is pushing the envelope, and in any case facts from it must be clearly cited to it and summarised in Neutral terms (see WP:NPOV) – anything judgemental (positive or negative) would be best confined to short quotations that are explicitly identified (e.g. by writing '. . . in his book Runaway: The Del Shannon Story (The Caps are not justified, they don't appear on the book), biographer Brian C. Young stated of the album "Xxxxx" and "Yyyyy".'). Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 04:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

How to fight vandalism?
What are some ways I could help in the fight against vandalism? I love Wikipedia so much, and really want to help clean it up and fight vandalism.

Thanks, Shadestar474   (talk)  21:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * See vandals, remove their edits, as long as the edits are CLEAR vandalism, and not some innocent mistake, and report their accounts. Imoutofchoices (talk) 00:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * But where is a place I can find vandalism? Shadestar474   (talk)  02:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shadestar474 I would say Recent Changes should be a good place to start. (WP:Recent changes patrol) Jolly1253 (talk) 03:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shadestar474: See also Cleaning up vandalism. GoingBatty (talk) 03:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you! Shadestar474   (talk)  07:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with my article
Hello,

I wrote this article a few months ago and am trying to improve it further. I don't understand anymore what I should do further to improve it. Can you please help me with it?

Link to the article

Draft:Lanka Bandaranayake Gabriel2954 (talk) 09:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * as indicated by all seven of the "decline" notices, you need to find and cite several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of Bandaranayake. (If you believe that the article already cites such sources, please list the best three of them here.) Maproom (talk) 10:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

how to prove we are not stakeholder or related people
Wanna know how to submit the draft successfully: The reviewer and others said the draft is kind of thing stakeholders wrote. Please do let me know how to prove we are not stakeholder or related people about the draft and the way to solve the problem. 익명의 4인 (talk) 08:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 익명의 4인, you've already asked this elsewhere. Please wait for one or more responses there. -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Hoary Afaict, that is from October and archived. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good point, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Apologies for my mistake, 익명의 4인. -- Hoary (talk) 10:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC) I attribute this mistake to bioenergetic insufficiency. -- Hoary (talk) 11:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Who are "we"? Take the time to read WP:NORG, WP:ABOUTSELF and An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Let's look at a sample of Draft:Kixx Oil, 익명의 4인. "[A]n engine oil brand focused on passenger cars, commercial vehicles and motorcycles": if "focused on" means "marketed for", then write "marketed for". If it doesn't, what does it mean? "[R]epositioned itself as a global lubricant brand encompassing automotive and industrial lubricant solutions": if "encompassing automotive and industrial lubricant solutions" means "including automotive and industrial lubricants", then write this; if it doesn't, what does it mean? What would a non-global lubricant brand be? Does "repositioned itself as" mean "became"? All of this is in a turgid kind of corporate-PR-speak; but in Wikipedia we don't aim to impress; we aim to inform. -- Hoary (talk) 10:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

review
is there a way to check if a page has been patrolled/reviewed? does it show that information anywhere on the page? i have made pages before, and i am notified when they are, but i don't know if there is a way to tell other than being notified. and that is only for pages you make, what about other people's new pages? Iljhgtn (talk) 20:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I think that more recently, Articles receive a note in their code, not visible on the actual page, that shows this, but it probably isn't present on older articles.
 * The answer may well lie somewhere in New pages patrol; perhaps someone involved in the process will point to it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 21:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iljhgtn : see User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/ReviewStatus. NotAGenious (talk) 07:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * that was exactly what i was hoping for. thank you for the link. Iljhgtn (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Autism is a serious concept and needs all the social awareness as needed, But Wikipedia is declining the post.
Trying to add this page Draft:Pinnacle Blooms Network of Bharath HealthCare P LIMITED https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pinnacle_Blooms_Network_of_Bharath_HealthCare_P_LIMITED Drkoti (talk) 12:51, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, your draft cites zero sources. The decline is not because Wikipedia volunteer editors think autism is a not serious concept, but the draft lacks sources to back up the claims made in the draft. Wikipedia is not the place to promote new organization. Please see the advice in WP:42. Ca talk to me! 12:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello CA,
 * Couldn't find any information on prominent organization in this space [Autism], Hence started adding the organizations list.
 * This is the first one amongst. Drkoti (talk) 12:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Drkoti There are articles like Autism Speaks and a whole category of US organisations listed at Category:Autism-related organizations in the United States. Note how the first article I linked includes extensive sources. You need to read this help page and this essay as you try to bring your draft up to our standards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think it is great that you want to expand the coverage on autism. however, you need to cite reliable sources for information you add to articles to make sure they are verifiable. i.e. readers and editors can check if the information comes from a reliable source. Ca talk to me! 13:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Where can I ask for help on getting an editnotice template implemented?
I tried asking at Village pump (technical) but no response so far, was that the wrong place to ask for that kind of help? BOZ (talk) 19:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * To be clear; I'm not asking anyone here to actually help me with the implementation, I'm just asking whether I was asking at the right place originally, and if not where I can go instead. BOZ (talk) 20:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @BOZ The alternatives seem to be WP:VPI or WP:VPR, depending on how developed your proposal is. These pages have guidance at the top but I'm not sure where your actual proposal should fit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, those were my first two steps. :) BOZ (talk) 13:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Where's that list...?
Hi! Uh, there's this list of sources and writing identifying individual outlets and unreliable, reliable, and otherwise. I've gone looking for it again, but I can't find it at all this time. Help? :< ~GoatLordServant(Talk) 13:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi ~GoatLordServant, your request is not particularly clear, are you referring to Reliable sources/Perennial sources ? - If not, can you clarify what you are looking for - thanks - Arjayay (talk) 13:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Arjayay, that's exactly it! Thank you!! ~GoatLordServant(Talk) 13:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding a reference to this chart
Hey,

is there a way I can add a reference to this chart? Or maybe place a short caption directly below this chart with this reference:

WikiPate (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, WIkiPate, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have no idea of the answer, but Help:EasyTimeline syntax should help, and if that doesn't support what you want, then I suspect the templates in WP:Timeline will be more flexible. ColinFine (talk) 16:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

blank edit summary warning when editing section
The option to provide a warning if the edit summary is blank (to the extent editors choose this option) has the desirable feature of encouraging editors to describe the change. I suggest that it should apply even when doing a section edit, i.e. if you're editing a section and you fail to add text beyond the name of the section that's included by default, you should still get a warning.

IMO, a good edit summary is a matter of courtesy to the rest of the editor community. Where should I be posting this proposal? Fabrickator (talk) 14:26, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Fabrickator I've just tested this in my sandbox and (as I recollected was the case) a section edit also refuses to save unless I provide an edit summary, since I've got the relevant option selected at Special:Preferences. The section's name between / marks doesn't count as a summary as far as the software is concerned. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Obviously my bad. Please close. Fabrickator (talk) 16:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

How should I write an article about an album?
I wanted to make an article about U.U.F.O (Album) but I don't really know where to start or what to write about. Comes from an artist only from Japanese Wikipedia with issue templates (Camellia), and I don't know where to find sources for the artist and the album. Shanshansan (talk) 08:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You've got the process the wrong way around, Shanshansan. First find the reliable sources, then decide to go ahead and create an article. -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shanshansan: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you haven't done so already, please read WP:NALBUMS.  Only proceed to create an article if you have multiple independent reliable sources that demonstrate the album meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for albums.  Note that the sources do not have to be online and do not have to be in English. GoingBatty (talk) 16:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

ANI Incident, question & assistance
How does one get assistance or advice in a dispute or incident like this espeically to get it entirely resolved  or closed, please?

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

ToosieJoosie (talk) 16:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @ToosieJoosie Hosts at the teahouse will be unlikely to want to get involved in something already being attended to by Admins. Please stick to the page you linked for further posts, or seek advice from, for example, your mentor (see your newcomer homepage tab on your Userpage). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Understood.Alright, thank you so much @Michael D. Turnbull. ToosieJoosie (talk) 17:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Getting started
Hi! Brand new here and the coding is literally like a different language to me. I'm currently writing my postgrad thesis about an Irish musical, and when I went to look it up, it's not here. References are made to it in a couple of places, but not an article in its own right, which I think it should be. But finding the process so confusing. Is there any way I can just send the info to someone more experienced and they can just put it up? MaryElleOrr (talk) 14:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could make a request at Requested Articles, but is is backlogged to the point of uselessness- if anyone sees your request at all, it could be some time before it is acted on, if ever.  The best way to see an article created is to do it yourself- though as you seem to be aware it is challenging.  If you're interested in taking the time to learn, the new user tutorial and Article Wizard are helpful. 331dot (talk) 14:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize you had already attempted to write a draft(Draft:Caisleáin Óir)- as a new user you didn't do too bad from a technical standpoint. I would note that language like "began its journey" is to be frank promotional fluff that should be toned down; text should be very dry and matter-of-fact. 331dot (talk) 14:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I only used "began its journey" because I got it off their website. I find the whole thing quite prohibitive. MaryElleOrr (talk) 15:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * (So you did – you even copied the spelling mistake "it's".) Yes, creating a new article is difficult. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone without considerable experience of editing, say 300 surviving edits to existing articles. Maproom (talk) 16:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, MaryElleOrr, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. There is no doubt that, while Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anybody can edit, this does not mean that it is easy to learn - and the most challenging bits are not technical questions, but the rules on notability and reliable sources.
 * I liken it to playing an instrument - if you've never played a violin before, and you pick one up, you wouldn't expect to be able to give a recital, or even busk on the street successfully, until you'd learnt how to play it.
 * Changing metaphors, if you liken writing an article to building a house, the bits you can see are not the only work to do, or even the most crucial. If you don't survey your site, or check local building regulations, first, then whatever you build is going to fall down. The parallel for that in Wikipedia world is that if you do not find adequate sources that are reliably published, independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject first, then it is possible that no article can be written, and if one can, it is likely that you will go about it BACKWARDS and make a difficult task even harder.
 * Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. So little or nothing from their website is relevant to a Wikipedia article about them - maybe a few uncontroversial facts like dates and places.
 * My advice, as it always is to new editors, is to put aside the idea of writing a new article ("giving a recital") completely for a few weeks or months, while you learn how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles - starting with small things like copy editing, and moving up to finding and adding suitable sources. Once you can do that successfully, you will be ready to read your first article and try creating one.
 * If you go to the community portal you will find some suggested tasks. ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @MaryElleOrr: Aside from what other editors have said, I'm going to caution you from lifting text wholesale from other sites, as more often than not there's a copyright present, and to put it here would contravene Wikipedia's copyright violations policy, which can potentially have legal ramifications for the site. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

how to reply to a Teahouse topic
Newbie here. I've asked a few questions in Teahouse & have had useful replies. I have made replies on those replies. But now, I can't figure out how do make a reply to a Teahouse topic. Isn't there a "reply" button or something? Maybe I'm missing it, or maybe I got in some weird mode where it doesn't show. My username shows at the top so I assume I'm logged in. I did log into using my cell phone for the 1st time & hope that didn't change things. I then logged out on my cell phone but that didn't seem to help. Frustrated I did it yesterday but today it escapes me. I would appreciate any answers, but remember, if you are not completely clear, then I can't ask follow up questions until I get this resolved. Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sunandshade the reply button is called Reply tool. Sometimes, if you haven't put a correctly-formatted signature after the message, there will be no reply button after the comment. You can always go into source/visual editor and add the reply yourself; to indent, put a colon at the beginning of a comment. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 18:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a million for your "reply tool" info. I found I needed to check:  preferences; editing; Enable quick replying.  Can't figure out how it worked before & hard to believe I accidentally uncheck that box, but it's working now.  On a related note, I tried out using the editor & ":" just so I'd know how to use it.  That worked ok but when using the source editor, the vertical line showing the location of where text will be entered did not show up.  That made editing very difficult.  Is there something I can do to make it show? Sunandshade (talk) 18:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It doesn't show on the source editor. We mainly just look at how many colons are on the previous reply and add one. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Too bad the vertical bar (for insert text here) doesn't show. I didn't mean to figure out the # of :'s but for when I've typed something & go back to change it a bit, it's hard to see where my edit will appear without the vertical bar. Sunandshade (talk) 19:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

New article rejected
Hello, I am new on creating articles and I suggested the creation of one for "cybersecurity" and got rejected. The reason was that it already exists under another article: "Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Computer security instead."

The article I suggested explains that difference between computer security and cybersecurity, you can see the draft here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cybersecurity

What would you suggest for improving my draft in order to be accepted as a new article? Pcoronaf (talk) 17:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Pcoronaf: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest starting a conversation at Talk:Computer security to see if others share your opinion that the topics are worthy of separate articles. GoingBatty (talk) 17:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would ask the reviewer if they feel that Talk:Computer security demonstrates broad consensus for a split. (There is an WP:AVOIDCYBER essay, but it doesn't seem to apply here.) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Problem creating new draft page with Article Wizard
Hi, and 'Help!' - For 9 years we have run a succesful Educational Project for students at LIUC, Italy. There is a current course page and dashboard at: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/LIUC_-_Universit%C3%A0_Cattaneo/Digital_Technology_(Autumn_2023)/home. Two student teams have had an issue creating new draft pages using Article Wizard. The draft pages are created by Article Wizard, but: An example is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Padiglione_Asplund
 * do not appear under their Username contributions
 * do not contain the draft markup for the draft banner (Articles for creation (AfC) submission) and for the references footer sections

Other teams have used the same tool to succesfully create 'normal' draft pages containing both the above elements. Can anyone advise on why two different formats for new draft pages are being created by the same Article Wizard tool, and how we can fix this? Many thanks. Limelightangel (talk) 21:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Draft:Padiglione Asplund was created, with just one word of content, by, who blanked it four minutes later. This is confirmed in LIUC7michelle05's "User contributions".  Maproom (talk) 21:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Question
Why isn't someone winning an award from the LGBT Youth Line - since they are an INDEPENDENT, THIRD-PARTY, SEPARATE FROM THE PERSON - enough for notoriety? especially when paired with magazine articles about the person?

Frustrated, trying to help a friend, coming up against gatekeeping b.s. afaik... please, say it ain't so. 142.126.237.15 (talk) 16:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Here are the references:
 * Matti is currently an elected member of the board of directors of the Church Wellesley Neighborhood Association.
 * Matti was the creative director of The Telephasic Workshop, an art studio on Yonge street in Toronto that made the attention of [fab (magazine)]. Paul Bellini wrote an article about Matti and the studio, which had 3D printing services early in the market at the time.
 * Matti also brought social changes to the culture of the University of Toronto's Engineering Student Union (SKULE), with their work getting the attention of Xtra! magazine.
 * Winner of the LGBT Youth Line Award in 2004 142.126.237.15 (talk) 16:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for an answer to this question while the article I wrote about someone I only met once gets removed inappropriately since you guys did not check the references. Get a copy of the fab magazine and the Xtra magazine in question.
 * What steps do I have to contest this? I've satisfied the criteria. 142.126.237.15 (talk) 17:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It's not clear that the award you're talking about confers notability; the awarder is a local charity in Ontario. Nor is it clear that WP:GNG is met for the subject of the article. Certainly the description you have given of the subject does not amount to notability. I don't think you have satisfied WP notability criteria. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You're already receiving useful advice from the AFC volunteers reviewing your submission, please continue working with them and following their advice. Not every person or subject can qualify for a Wikipedia article - our basic inclusion standard is the general notability guideline, and the reviewers are trying to suggest what sorts of sources you need to find to demonstrate that this person meets the guideline. If you think that you have provided suitable sources, you could try discussing them individually on the draft's talk page, it may help to illustrate your point and/or it might draw better advice from the reviewers. Please do not just repeatedly resubmit your draft without making any changes, it will just be declined again. Thank you. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user. "Notable" in the special way that Wikipedia uses it, is not about being famous, popular, influential, worthy, or deserving (though some of these often go with it). It is almost entirely about whether or not there is enough wholly independent material about them, reliably published, to base an article on - remembering that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Season 11 The Walking Dead
I wound like to have this problem checked into, I was in your section on (The Walking Dead (season 11) and I was viewing the episodes and was able to view the first 8 episodes then when I tried to view the 9th episode and the rest of the episodes I was unable to view them, the ones that I was able to view the names turned blue and the rest of the episodes names are in black, I thought it was my computer so I tried the web site on another computer and the same thing happened, I hope you can fix this and please let me know thru my e-mail address. I really want to be able to view the rest of those episodes.

Thank You Very Much

Bill

Please reply: FTHOOD1949! (talk) 20:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @FTHOOD1949!: Episodes 9 and onwards do not have articles, hence why they're not linked. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Or, to expand on Tenryuu's answer, FTHOOD1949!: so far none of the thousands of volunteer editors have written articles about those episodes. This might be because somebody tried but concluded that suitable sources do not exist to satisfy the requirements of notability for those episodes (in which case, nobody should spend any time trying) or it might be just that nobody has been sufficiently interested to write them.
 * If you are interested, you are welcome to try and write them youself; however, I would warn that writing a new article is a very challenging task for new editors, and I would advise you not to try until you have been actively editing for at least a few weeks, and have learnt about verifiability and referencing. Then, when you feel you're ready, you can read your first article. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Different dates of birth
I'm working on Jared Sidney Torrance's article which has very few citations. It lists his DOB as August 3, 1853 with no citation. I've found some sources for 1853 and others for 1852. A monument erected by the Torrance Historical Society Museum states 1852 - 1921 but his tombstone says 1853. Since there are reputable sources for both dates, what would be the best way to indicate this? Any biographical articles with similarly differing DOBs I could refer to and copy the format? Rourensu (talk) 20:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Rourensu See Balak Singh and WP:THISORTHAT. I wouldn't include the dates in an infobox (if you decide to add one, list it as disputed), but rather add a brief mention of the conflict under Southern California. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  21:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As a side note, the WP:Help desk is more conventionally used by experienced users, whereas the teahouse is generally for new users to adk questions. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  21:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Novo Tape Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rourensu (talk • contribs) 22:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I get an ANI thread closed
I've had an ANI thread open about me for almost four weeks. It seems for the most part to be dead but for some reason is still open. Is there a reason why it is still open? Is it because consensus has not yet been reached? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that is the reason. I'll propose they close it; see what happens. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

when editing, references are different
For the page for Prolagus, when I use the visual editor, the references are different from the original page. Or maybe they are in a different order, it's hard to tell. If you take a look, in the original page, the 1st Reference starts with Ge. When editing it starts with Hoffman. Why is this? I tried editing in source mode & it's hard for me to read, but I think in this case, the References are the same as the original page. Sunandshade (talk) 10:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , the infobox counts as the first content of the article. The reference in the infobox starts "Ge", and is listed as ref. 1. The first reference in the body of the article starts "Hoffman" and is listed as ref. 3. Ref. 2, starting "The Paleobiology Database", is harder to explain. Maproom (talk) 10:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think ref 2 is because it's in the Prolagus, which is in the infobox. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is the reason - visual editor doesn't handle the order of notes well. You get a similar problem if you use sfn footnotes as well as the normal ref type: only the ref ones are properly counted. -- asilvering (talk) 13:26, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the info. Looks like I'll have to use the source editor but it's very difficult to find the citation in the source editor.  What I did was have one window open with the original article.  Then opened another for editing.  Then I'd note the citation I wanted to change & used the author's name to search in the source editor.  Tedious.  Is there a better way? Sunandshade (talk) 18:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're using the 2017 source editor wiki syntax should be highlighted. Otherwise you can try using WikEd, which is an alternative if you don't like using said 2017 source editor. It also comes with a feature to hide references in blocks, though it's been a long time since I've used it, so I can't tell you exactly how it's done. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sunandshade you can enable the article preview in source editor, which saves you the two-windows problem, but the editing process is essentially the same. -- asilvering (talk) 19:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Under preferences; editing, I enabled the 2017 editor & saw the vertical bar I was looking for. But turns out then you don't see the Preview button.  I then unchecked the 2017 editor option & I assume I have some other editor, tho don't know which one.  But then I could still see the vertical bar (which I couldn't see before).  So I have no idea why I can sometimes see it & other times not.
 * When "using the 217 source editor wiki syntax should be highlighted." Don't know what this means.  I used the 2017 editor & didn't see any hilites.  I've looked at WikEd but it's quite involved to instal/use it & I have much to learn about Wiki right now so I'll do that later. Sunandshade (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * When "using the 217 source editor wiki syntax should be highlighted." Don't know what this means. Not highlights in the conventional sense of colour being applied to text background, but rather elements being rendered in different colours. For example HTML tags like  are in  in that editor. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In preferences; editing, I chose the 2017 editor. In source editing, the  tag was black just like the rest of the letters.  Maybe I'm missing something. Sunandshade (talk) 21:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's odd. You may need to toggle . Doesn't seem it's supposed to be for the 2017 editor, though. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I checked to use the Syntax Highlighter & also enabled 2017 editor. The  tag is still black like the rest.  Oh well. Sunandshade (talk) 23:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sunandshade: I think I figured it out. It's not in your user preferences. To turn on syntax highlighting, while editing in source mode in the 2017 editor, click on the [[file:OOjs UI icon menu.svg|link=]] in the toolbar, then click [[file:OOjs UI icon highlight.svg|link=]] Syntax highlighting. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That works great. Things are now all different colors & it's easier to read.  I tried with the 2017 & also the 2010 editors & they both showed the colors.   Sunandshade (talk) 01:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

How can I split the cast into 3 separate lists?
I've added all the credited cast to Yanks.

First the "main" cast are listed, then the "American" cast are listed, and then the "British" cast are listed.

So I'm trying to separate them into columns side by side, or if that looks weird, then on top of each other, as right now 2 of the American cast appear just above the British cast.

I've just attempted to separate them by copying the info on the column which was already there, to make 3 columns, however you couldn't really tell where the columns ended and started on the right hand side. Danstarr69 (talk) 03:03, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Danstarr69: Welcome to the Teahouse! I changed the columns to use col begin, col break, and col end.  How the columns will appear to a user will depend on their browser width, font size, and other factors.  Feel free to revert my edit if it's not to your liking.  You may want to use a table instead.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Newbie, confused about recent contribution
Hey Wikipedians--- wanted to reach out and share an experience I recently had while working on the Jasper AI Wikipedia page. I'm seeking guidance and insights on how to navigate this situation

Some time ago I dedicated an amount of time and effort to create a Wikipedia page, for Jasper AI. Throughout the process my focus was on adhering to Wikipedias citation standards and ensuring the subjects notability. (See my talk page)

Initially my submission was moved to the draft space due to concerns about citations despite my efforts in citing sources. However an administrator later approved the article moving it into the space. (The editor who flagged it initally has changed their reasoning a few times. (No disrespect to them)

Recently the same editor who initially moved the article to draft space has raised concerns regarding its notability. Flagged it for deletion. This was a bit disheartening for me since I invested time and effort into acquiring citations and creating a page that I believed met all the necessary guidelines.

My main concern lies in the inconsistency of the process. Feeling a bit perplexed, and disheartened. While I fully understand and respect Wikipedias commitment to maintaining standards I am seeking clarity, on how best to ensure that my work aligns with these standards without feeling like its a shifting goalpost.

I know I am a noob, but what perplexes me is that by the interpretation of the editors view on WP guidelines, a great portion of pages should be deleted. I want to help and add value here.

I am hoping to receiving feedback. I am willing to make any necessary changes to the Jasper AI page. My intention is to contribute to the Wikipedia community so any advice or assistance, in resolving this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Please forgive me if I am an idiot for doing things wrong, I really want to help and I understand spending time contributing doesnt matter If I am making mistakes.

**PS, I figured established pages would be a good reference for creating pages, but it seems that even established pages aren't great sources**

(Apologies for the novel length post) Comintell (talk) 02:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Different users take different views. (Whether or not either of the involved users here is an admin is neither here nor there; they are not doing admin tasks). Likely one looked at the number of references & thought they looked convincing. The other looked in depth at each reference and thought they were not good. The deletion discussion provides all of the information required on the reason for the deletion nomination. It cites the relevant WP policies, and analysis the references in great depth. I would, if I were you, be looking for additional WP:RS for the article, because right now a compelling case for its deletion is being made. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. Yes I would be a fool to contribute time, and be doing things wrong. Thank you. Comintell (talk) 02:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and thank you for your efforts. And thank you for taking Wikipedia's standards seriously (they are here for a reason, after all).  We all know the pain and frustration of putting in the time to create an article, only to have it deleted; I feel for you. One of the hardest lessons I found was before even starting to write the article, to assess whether the available sources were enough to satisfy the ""golden rule": is there enough in-depth coverage in reliable, independent sources to show that the subject is "notable" (in Wikipedia's sense of the term).  It isn't about how well you wrote the article, or documented the sources - it isn't about anything you did, it is about the subject.  All you can do is like Tagishsimon says, search for some more sources that meet those criteria and bring them to the attention of the deletion discussion.  If they are good, the article will stay.  If not, we hope you will stick around and continue to contribute to Wikipedia because we need more good editors like you!--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Very great input. Thank you, and I suppose I could have added/found more sources. I just updated the page, so we will see. Thank you both Comintell (talk) 04:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am the "editor" being referred to. The advice provided by other editors above is good advice. I will emphasize what was said above as well. I understand that can be difficult to have a page you created wind up at a deletion discussion. I have been in the same situation and from experience it is best to review the policies and guidelines and make your argument in the deletion discussion. I would add that you should transfer your talk page comments from Talk:Jasper AI that you placed under the heading "Proof of Notability: Additional reading tab" and move that to the deletion discussion page. I know we started out discussing there, but it would be best to make the arguments in the deletion discussion so that other editors can evaluate and we can come to a WP:CONSENSUS. Having everything in one location is better so that no one has to jump to different pages. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:34, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @CNMall41 Comintell (talk) 04:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem. Sorry we are at this point as I know it sucks. For help, you can refer to WP:ORGCRIT for the sourcing needed to show notability. You can also assess each one using WP:SIRS to refute any other references you feel I got wrong in my assessment. Cheers! --CNMall41 (talk) 04:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

dark mode
is there a dark mode for viewing and editing wikipedia? i have my normal screen settings on dark mode, only wikipedia is bright white. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @iljhgtn: special:preferences -> gadgets -> dark mode toggle ltb d l (talk) 01:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iljhgtn Preferences > Appearance > Skin > Vector (2022) = Permanent Dark Mode Danstarr69 (talk) 03:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Vector 2022 is not displayed in dark mode by default, Itbdl has provided the correct method. Additional dark themes are available at WP:DARK. Tollens (talk) 07:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

can't publish my friend's long journey to success
i've written about my friend's story how he grew and challenges that faced him to become to he is right now but when i published first it gort deleted and they told me cuz of short of data and he's not known but second i published it with his social and bussines platforms it wasn't deleted but it's not considiret as article but userpage Da drago stoone (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Da drago stoone. What you are describing is promotion, and strictly prohibited on Wikipedia. If your friend get's documented and written about in multiple secondary sources like magazine articles, books, TV shows, newspapers - then someone will eventually write an article about him. But Wikipedia is not to be used to write biographies of random people who do not meet our special definition of 'notable'.  Qcne  (talk)  19:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Weird that you have your friend's name, Drago. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * i didn't get ur point Da drago stoone (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The point is that if you (posting here) and 'your friend' really do have the same name, then most people might conclude that 'your friend' is really you, and you are trying to smuggle autobiography into Wikipedia which, though not outright forbidden, is both heavily frowned upon and extremely difficult to do while remaining in compliance with Wikipedia's requirements.
 * If on the other hand you are not 'your friend', then by using your friend's name as your User Account name you are effectively impersonating them – impersonating a real person with your User name is not allowed on Wikipedia. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 03:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Separate from content, your User page is wrong place to create a draft. The first entry on your Talk page directs you to WP:YFA for the right place. David notMD (talk) 08:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

one of the articles is deleted
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bankbazaar 171.76.83.103 (talk) 13:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The article was declined, not deleted. Please resolve the issues the declining reviewer raised. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 13:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * See WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. You need more than press reports on the funding of the company. Are they notable in WP terms? Probably not; they're a routine small financial company, of which there are tens of thousands around the world, few of them very notable. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

What to do if I find a "rotten" link?
In this page: Defensive programming In this paragraph:

--

Oracle is combating legacy problems, such as old source code written without addressing concerns of SQL injection and privilege escalation, resulting in many security vulnerabilities which have taken time to fix and also generated incomplete fixes. This has given rise to heavy criticism from security experts such as David Litchfield, Alexander Kornbrust, Cesar Cerrudo. An additional criticism is that default installations (largely a legacy from old versions) are not aligned with their own security recommendations, such as Oracle Database Security Checklist, which is hard to amend as many applications require the less secure legacy settings to function correctly."

--

The "Oracle Database Security Checklist" link is a 404 not found page. I checked for the page using the Wayback Machine on the Internet Archive, but it apparently wasn't archived because all attempts were unsuccessful at crawl time.

What should be done in this case, and in other similar cases? Should the link be removed, or should it be discussed in the talk page first to find an archived copy?

Avocadoy72 (talk) 14:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There should not be an inline external link in the body of the article. Such links can be removed, fullstop. You can consider whether the link should be converted into a reference, or into an external link listed at the foot of the article, but IMO you are under no obligation to do so. Especially, you are under no obligatoin to chase down a new URI for a 404. Where a link in the external links section is broken, you can choose whether to remove it, or to try to replace it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've removed the link. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

How to improve Wiki submission from content I've made so far?
Hello! I'm very new to adding unto wikipedia and I'm trying to create information about the company I work at. Is anybody available to help improve and optimise my short synopsis for Wikipedia?

My name is SustainableJragon, the draft Wiki article is - Draft:Sustainable Ventures. SustainableJragon (talk) 10:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. First, you must formally declare your relationship with the company, please see the paid editing policy- this is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory.  You should also read conflict of interest.
 * You have too many references. That may sound odd, but fewer high quality references are preferable to a large number of low quality references.  I think you essentially need to start over from scratch.  A Wikipedia article is not a place to summarize the routine activities of the company- an article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about your company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company.  Announcements of its activities, interviews, and brief mentions do not establish notability. What are your three(only three, please) best sources that offer significant coverage of your company? 331dot (talk) 10:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I concur with 's assessment. In addition, I suggest reading WP:BACKWARD to understand the best way to create a new article. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please avoid crass sentences such as "Based in London’s iconic County Hall – it overlooks the Houses of Parliament and the River Thames – ". This is an encyclopedia, not Sexy Startup Monthly. All of iconic, HoP and Thames are unnecessary, and make the article read like a cheap & desperate advert. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:53, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell from in among the buzzwords and promotional bullshit, the subject is a company that rents out office space. The mention of "valuation uplift of 2.8x at the next round of funding" suggests a WeWork-type scam. I recommend having the article rewritten from scratch, by someone who does not have a PR background. Maproom (talk) 16:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Has Table of Contents moved?
I remember seeing the Table of Contents within the article (not as a side bar). Now I only see it when I click on the 3 horizontal bars with 3 dots. Is there a way to see the ToC within the article? Also, when I click the ToC icon, the 1st line is Contents. Sometimes next to it is a link that says "move to sidebar". At least that link was there a few minutes ago. Now it's not there. How an I make it come back? Sunandshade (talk) 06:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Sunandshade – you might be thinking of the old default skin on Wikipedia, Vector 2010, which was replaced as the default skin back in January by Vector 2022. If you want to go back to it, you can do so in your preferences. Tollens (talk) 07:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That was it! Thanks.  I like 2010 much better.  Now I can see the ToC in the article.  It also removes the annoying ToC icon that would always cover some of the text I was trying to read.  Always had to scroll a couple of line to see it.  I appreciate your help. Sunandshade (talk) 07:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, if I ever decide to use skin 2022, how do I get the ToC to be in the sidebar? I saw the link to do this in some articles, but now it's not there. Sunandshade (talk) 07:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * When you click on the [[file:OOjs UI icon listBullet-ltr.svg|link=]] to display the ToC, at the top of the dropdown menu is "Move to sidebar", which will do what you want it to do. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The top of the dropdown has "Contents". Next to that used to be the link to "move to sidebar" but that link no longer appears.  How do I get the link back? Sunandshade (talk) 07:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If "move to sidebar" doesn't appear, that is generally because the screen's layout isn't wide enough to show you the toolbar in the pinned state. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 10:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That really helps. Turns out if the window is more than 1/2" from the edge, it's not wide enough.  But with the wider window, now I can see it.  Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 18:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Possible canvassing over a move discussion at Saio
I believe a userr has been canvassing over the move discussion at Talk:Saiō. I do not know how to deal with it or whether they are exactly doing it, but it is really stressing me out and I want someone else to deal with it so I can take a wikibreak. What should I do? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 07:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Nothing. Ka-ru, per user talk, retired two days ago (You said at Talk:Saiō: I believe we are experiencing canvassing by Ka-ru, with a lot of messages being posted almost everywhere advocating against this move). Makes the whole thing moot.
 * I'd also like to note for the record that one should usually link diffs, as I see no such messages in Ka-ru's contribs when I filter out edits to the mainspace. But not here: the Teahouse not the place to resolve disputes or report behavioral problems. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rotideypoc41352 where should I report this? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * First, it is ideal to know "whether they are exactly doing it" before declaring that there is a problem. Second, Canvassing is fairly clear on Canvassing. All roads lead back to ANI, where a) you already have a monster thread b) where you reported someone else for some non-notable supposed infraction a few days, before backing off from that. WP does not need additional manufactured drama. Please give it a rest and maybe go on that wikibreak you've been talking about. We'll hold the fort whilst you're away, promise. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I had a look at Talk:Saiō, and I can't anything that is even remotely indicative of canvassing. I suggest you take heed of 's advice. Polyamorph (talk) 19:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

About my article
Hi, first of all thank you for taking time to read my article.

I wish to know what is the best procedure to write an article and get it published?

Thanks,

Dan Navajones (talk) 19:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Dan: make sure you cite enough reliable sources (WP:RS) to meet general notability guidelines (WP:GNG). Draft is Draft:Daniel Gwilym Jones. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ideal, too, to have references for all of the paragraphs, not just the first paragraph. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And see also WP:YFA --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Navajones (talk) 19:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Move the Edit Pencil
Most people are right-handed, and it is easy to unintentionally tap the Edit pencil. 162.210.22.155 (talk) 16:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This sounds like a mobile device issue. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you could tell us how you use Wikipedia (e.g. browser on a PC, browser on a mobile device, mobile app), we can suggest the best place for you to share your concern (and any suggestions you have to alleviate your concern). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @GoingBatty It appears that they are on mobile web, going from the tags from the edit this question was made. NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 19:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with article
I need help with an article: Draft:Susan_Ericksen. It has been rejected multiple times, mostly due to not enough reliable sources and language that sounded overly promotional. Both of these I agreed with and have attempted to resolve. The last editor suggested that I add a COI statement because I interviewed this person on a podcast. Not sure if I did the COI correctly though. I wanted to get some feedback before I attempt to put it into the approval queue again. AJRyan6of7 (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The subject passes WP:GNG, the article is neutral and well sourced. I have promoted it as Susan Ericksen. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! If it's not too much to ask, could you also look at Draft:David_Colacci? The two are married, and much of the info is the same. AJRyan6of7 (talk) 21:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would gently note that there is a difference between "rejection" and "declined" in the draft submission process; the former means that a draft may not be resubmitted, the latter means it may be resubmitted. 331dot (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, poor choice of words. Thanks for the correction. AJRyan6of7 (talk) 21:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Promoted on the same basis. Check the categories; I stole some from his wife, but there maybe more required. Do you want to put a Connected Contributor notice on the talk page of this one? That on Susan's was good. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have no problem putting a Connected Contributor notice there. Thank You! AJRyan6of7 (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Question
Where can I see examples, including format specifics, on how to add notability references to a person's Wikipedia article draft ? Lumelsky (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You can see examples on most biography pages. Help is available at Help:Referencing for beginners, Help:Referencing for beginners without using templates or Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Lumelsky, and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * If you are talking about Draft:Vladimir J. Lumelsky, I would advise that it is not worth doing this. To use a house-building analogy, has put up a house without any foundations and without surveying the site, and you are asking how to carry out underpinning so that it won't fall down. This is a difficult and costly process, which will probably require dismantling quite a lot of the house and rebuilding it again - if it works at all.
 * A much better idea would be to abandon the draft which has been written BACKWARDS, and start again.. Start by finding sources that meet the criteria in golden rule - that is, they need to be reliably published, wholly unconnected with Lumelsky (not written, informed, or published, by him, his colleagues, his institutions, his company, or his associates - so not one of the current references is acceptable) and contain significant coverage of him. If several such sources can be found, then an article can be written, based on what those sources say, not on anything else.
 * The additional question is, what is your connection with Vladimir Lumelsky? Are you him? If so, please be aware that autobiography is strongly discouraged. I appreciate that what you are doing is trying to rescue a draft that appears to have been made by somebody else, rather than writing about yourself directly; and on a draft, that is probably acceptable. But please familiarize yourself with advice on editing with a conflict of interest. ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Citation question
Longtime editor here with a basic citation question. I recently came across a news clipping that I wasn't sure how to properly cite with the cite news. Newspaper #1 published an article from Newspaper #2. Using the template, I assumed I would put #1 in the  parameter and #2 under. However, the template documentation says that publisher is not meant to be used for "the name of a work (e.g. a website, book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, etc.)". Plus you cannot italicize the publisher field. Ideas on how I should work around this? Thanks in advance! --GoneIn60 (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . I think you could just cite the original publication and then use the via parameter to indicate the host publication's name. You might also be able to use the agency paramenter for the original publication's name and then format the citation for the host publication. What you're describing seems to be somehat similar to Template:Cite news #5. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:40, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that example is the closest to my situation, but unfortunately the agency isn't an entity like Reuters or Associated Press. It's another newspaper. I went ahead and used it for that purpose anyway, but unfortunately Newspaper #2 isn't italicized. Oh well, is what it is I suppose. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've had this same problem and just ignored Newspaper #2. You could use agency if you're especially concerned about the original attribution, but the resulting template format looks kinda weird, like " Los Angeles Times." (in my case). You can also always add a lil note after the citation template but before the closing ref tag, like "Originally published date in Newspaper #2." Folly Mox (talk) 01:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Guidance on Company page edits (Seeking Input from Experienced Editors)
Hello wiki community, I am trying to create a company page and it was declined. I would like to understand the feedback in detail. Which of the citations are reliable and which are not reliable. I tried adding 11 citations which found to be reliable. What are the main issues you see in the content? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mercans_(company). Is there anyone who would like to contribute to the page? How do I invite editors to review the content and contribute? I appreciate your help in advance. Vbhavanisankar (talk) 09:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Unreferenced promotional fluff like is a violation of the core content policy, the Neutral point of view. When I read a sentence like that, I learn nothing about what sets this company apart from others, because all such companies use vapid language like that to describe themselves. Every trace of promotional corporate-speak must be removed from your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 09:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Cullen328. I will edit the draft. Feel free to provide additional feedback. Is it ok to include company website link while explaining what is unique about the company. or will it be flagged as it is not a 3rd party independent citation. Vbhavanisankar (talk) 09:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Vbhavanisankar: While an external link to the company is usually provided in an § External links section, it cannot be cited to establish wikinotability. Focus on finding independent, reliable sources instead. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Tenryuu Vbhavanisankar (talk) 02:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello wiki community, can anyone suggest additional citations that can be included in the page? Draft:Mercans (company) Is there a better way to look for citations other than Google? I appreciate your help in advance. Vbhavanisankar (talk) 05:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Subject bar formatting help
See the last 2 edits I made to Christianty. I tried to put all the links to other wikiprojects in a subject bar, but it's leaving source text below it for some reason, and Wiktionary won't show up in the subject bar for some reason. I copied the template from and filled it in, but it didn't work properly, and I can't see what I've done wrong.

Please help fix. Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ – looks like the closing }} was misplaced (in the middle, rather than the end). Tollens (talk) 05:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, kind stranger. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Moving from IP editing to registered user, and sockpuppet policy
Hello all. I could not find a straight answer to this question so I will ask here: Would it violate Wikipedia's sockpuppet policy if I made a named account after editing from this IP? I find that my edits are often treated as "second-class" because I choose to edit through an IP instead of a registered account. I am however worried that because I am involved in a content dispute that my making a registered account would trigger accusations of sockpuppetry. Thanks in advance for any responses. 47.219.237.179 (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It would NOT be sockpuppetry. Many of us started by using an IP and later moved to a named account. I guess using both an IP and a named account simultaneously would be, but I presume you'd give up using the IP. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, you would not be considered a sock. It is possibel that an editor will accuse you of being a sock due to a high knowledge of Wikipedia for a new account. If so, you can always explain you were formerly an IP and, if you wish, link to your IP. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  21:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speaking as a checkuser and former SPI clerk, it is generally acceptable for an unregistered editor to create an account and continue participating in the same topics, as long as you are not doing so in order to deceive editors into thinking you're two different people or trying to create the impression of false consensus, and especially not if you are evading a sanction. In your case it would be wise to publicly declare that you formerly edited as the IP but have created an account. If you didn't, the connection would be rather obvious anyway, so you might as well get ahead of it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see, thank you (and to others who responded as well). I am wary of named users and prefer the semi-anonymity that unregistered editing affords. But if I did make an account, a talk page notice of former IP editing would be sufficient to avoid running afoul of sockpuppet rules? 47.219.237.179 (talk) 21:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user. You would not be the first to choose to continue editing from an IP: there are some well-established users who do so. But in a sense, an account is more anonymous, in that anybody can look up who assigned an IP and where in the world it is. And account names do not have to be your real name: many accounts (perhaps most) are obvious pseudonyms. But it's your choice. ColinFine (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand how IP editing and anonymity work on this site. I don't care if people see my IP address and geolocate me. I am more an advocate of anonymous editing and anonymous forum-style discussion. In my view, tying edits to fixed usernames is an invitation to involve ego in decision-making, and leads to to certain users claiming "ownership" over articles if they have a long history of editing it. If I made a registered account, it would be solely to take advantage of the technical benefits afforded to registered users, and so my edits are not dismissed out-of-hand as IP edits, as they sometimes are. 47.219.237.179 (talk) 22:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I have been editing on Wikipedia for more than 20 years, and have never created an account, in part because I think edits should be evaluated purely on their own merits, not in the light of whether their editor has a 'reputation.' (I have other personal reasons, of no relevance to anyone else.) I do use a 'pseudo-signature', purely to maintain continuity in conversations should my IP, once upon a time static but for many years dynamic (blame my ISP) change in mid-dialogue.
 * In those 20+ years I have hardly ever fallen foul of 'anti-IP prejudice', and on the rare occasions when I have, other editors have pushed back against it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 03:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to claim gross prejudice, but in a recent content dispute, users frequently cited the term "IP edits" in a seemingly pejorative manner, implying that the edits by myself and others under IPs are somehow less valid by that fact alone, or that edits are suspect purely by virtue of being from an unregistered user. Then said users got the article protected.
 * And how do you deal with autoconfirmed protection? Do you just accept that you're unable to participate in the many thousands of protected articles, many of which are of high importance? Yes I understand that you can request edits, but that seems like an extremely tedious route, and is dependent upon the whims of other editors. 47.219.237.179 (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess it is true that if I wanted to push wikipedia explicitly in a pro-Nazi direction then I would think edit requests were a real bummer. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 02:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you're insinuating I'm doing that, or making personal attacks. But you should probably stop. 47.219.237.179 (talk) 06:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

if someone changes my edits/reverts them
Will I/how to get notified if someone changes or undoes my edits, please. I want to see so I can see if I'm doing things right and what people think about my edits. Fourthandfremont (talk) 06:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you add the articles that you edit or want to follow for any good reason to your watchlist then you will get notifications of any changes to those articles. Cullen328 (talk) 06:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Fourthandfremont, and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe that by default you will be notified of complete reversions of your edits (though you can check in your notification preferences), but I don't think there's a way to be notified of changes to your edits. You might be interested in the watchlist, a private list of articles that you'd like to monitor changes to. You can add articles to your watchlist by clicking the star icon near the edit button at the top of the page, and you can view your personal watchlist via Special:Watchlist or the link near your username at the top of every page. Tollens (talk) 06:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Erroneous page deletion warning?
Nick Bilogorskiy was given a deletion warning "this page ... appears to have no references". Guess what, it has 25 references, including the New York Times, CNN, Voice of America, and others. Am I missing something? The refs are no good? The user who added this warning is going around giving similar warnings. If this is indeed a mistake and the warning can be removed, perhaps, you can also suggest how to enhance the page (to amortize the effort of looking at the page). Thx Qq8 (talk) 08:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:UnTixic made 35 edits on 16 Nov, including three PROD deletion proposals, all of which have been reverted. One of the others was also for no references when it fact it had many references. PROD deletions can be reverted, leaving the proposing editor the recourse of starting an AfD if truely believing the article should be deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Page publishing
Please help me to publish this page Draft:Agudath Israel in Moldova Yura kr (talk) 10:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Yura kr Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am afraid that this draft is not ready for draft review (which I assume is what you mean). Specifically, this draft needs to cite reliable sources. Please see WP:Citing sources for more information. Ideally, everything you wrote must be backed by some WP:Reliable source, and no WP:Original research is allowed.
 * Please kindly consider improving your draft before you submit it for review. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 10:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Yura kr, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
 * I'm afraid that (like most new editors who create an account and immediately plunge into the most challenging task there is on Wikipedia - creating a new article) you have written your draft BACKWARDS.
 * First find the independent sources, and then summarise what they say. Your knowledge of the subject is valuable in finding and selecting the sources: it is of no value or relevance in writing the article (indeed, it cam sometimes get in the way, because if you know something about the subject which you cannot find in the sources, you must not put that into the article!)
 * More generally, I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles, starting with small tasks like copy-editing, and moving up to the most crucial part, which is finding and adding references. See the community portal for some suggested tasks; then when you feel you understand enough to try it, read your first article. ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

can someone check my first Wiki page to and help publish it?
I uploaded my first wiki page to sandbox, can someone publish it for me from the sandbox? Thanks! Footballfan145 (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Fairly sure your image is outside Non-free content guidelines; too large, shows too much else &c; see especially the policy section in the non-free content page. It is also missing a Non-free use rationale guideline template - Non-free use rationale 2. I'd be inclined to mark the image page with a Db-g7 to get it deleted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tagishsimon the subject is still living, so WP:NFC point 1 applies. A non-free image would almost certainly fail WP:NFCC. Since I couldn't locate any free license at the claimed image source, I have therefore tagged the image for speedy deletion under F9. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there anything else I need to change? Footballfan145 (talk) 16:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you find an image that could be added to the article? I want to add some image value to the page. Thank you so much! Footballfan145 (talk) 16:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've made some edits and moved it to the draft name space. When you think it is ready to be published, hit the "submit for review" button. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Erik Hansen (football) fwiw. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Are there any pictures of Erik Hansen St. Louis Battlehawks professional football player that I would be allowed to use? Feel free to edit the page as you see fit to ensure it gets published, thank you so much for helping me out! Footballfan145 (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps change all instances of "Erik ..." to "Hansen ...". The article should not refer to the subject by their given name. Then press the "submit for review" button. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, should I delete the image or keep it? I want to keep an image because it adds value to the page. Footballfan145 (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The image is on its way to being deleted. You'll need to find a free image somewhere, if one exists. Press the blue "finished drafting submit for review" button at the top of the page - that puts the draft into the review pipeline. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, I summited the draft for review. What constitutes as a free image? Could you find one and add it to the draft? I see a lot of pages on professional athletes that have a grid their their image and personal information, I would like to have that added if possible. Thanks for your help.   Footballfan145 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * How does my page look? I made some more changes, feel free to change anything. Thanks! Footballfan145 (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No need to ask here any further. Now that you have submitted it, any reviewer can find it and either accept it or decline it. If they decline it, they will comment on why and what needs improvement. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Article request
Am I allowed to request an article be written about me and give pertinent information? Everknott (talk) 02:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not a good idea. There is Requested articles, but that is for subjects that are notable; you may or may not be notable. Beyond that, there is no tradition of WP entertaining requests by people for articles about themselves, and no venue on wikipedia in which to do so. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please carefully read the Notability guideline for people and explain why you think that you are eligible for a Wikipedia biography. Please also read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for an understanding of the challenges you face. In my experience, the overwhelming majority of people who attempt to create a Wikipedia biography of themselves end up failing, and it is a frustrating experience for all concerned. Cullen328 (talk) 03:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I was wanting to put a request in on the Producers page I just wasn’t sure if I’m allowed to request one about myself I suspect I meet the notability guidelines Requested articles/music Everknott (talk) 03:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anything to stop you from doing that. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , have you read the two links that I gave you? You are allowed to request whatever you want. There are certainly notable producers in the entertainment industry, but I think that is is safe to say that a majority of producers are not notable. Just as there are notable neurosurgeons, but the majority of neurosurgeons are not notable. The strict requirement is that the person is the subject of significant coverage in several reliable sources that are entirely independent of the person. This is a stringent requirement that is strictly enforced. Cullen328 (talk) 03:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes I’ve been featured in rolling stone magazine, worked with Stella McCartney Paul McCartney has listened to my music. I’ve got one of them fancy blue check marks on tiktok if that means anything. I’ve been featured on a Live TV news show, been in the LA times etc. Everknott (talk) 03:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Everknott: Please be aware that when Wikipedia uses the term notability, it has a drastically different meaning that standard usage. Feel free to think of it as wikinotability, if you will. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , where is the link to the featured coverage in Rolling Stone? Where is the link to the article in the Los Angeles Times? As for the claim that Paul McCartney listened to your music, that would only matter if reliable sources gave significant coverage to McCartney's opinions of your music. We operate on solid evidence here, not on assertions by people trying to promote themselves. Cullen328 (talk) 05:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Cynically, and also snarky, after you are dead, someone reading your obituary may be moved to compose a Wikipedia article about you. Be patient. David notMD (talk) 09:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

For the interested, Noa Kalos. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

how get details of "thanks"
Some people have been kind enough to give me a "thanks". On my homepage, I can see the # of thanks so I click on it. Then I see a list of thanks, 1 per line. But how do I see the context? I'd like to see what I did that created the thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 07:34, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sunandshade: Rather than using your homepage, you can check your notifications with the [[file:OOjs UI icon tray.svg|link=]] icon at the top of the page as thanks will show up there. Clicking on a particular thanks item will bring you to the diff for which you've been thanked for. As an example, I've thanked your post. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's just what I wanted. I appreciate it.  Also, is there a way for other people to see "thanks" to my edits?  I looked at the "view history" for one of my edits that has a thanks, but I couldn't see anything with regards to thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 07:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your thank log is public. Others cannot se which edits were thanked. See more at Help:Notifications/Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I read the help page & learned a lot. I now know how to use the Log page, which I got from the link you showed.  Also found I can get to the log page by searching for, special:log .  But is there a way to get to my log page by clicking something on my homepage?  Seems that would be easier.   Sunandshade (talk) 16:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's what you did when you clicked on the linked number of thanks on your homepage. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, right. Sometimes I keep clicking deeper & deeper, then I forget how I got there.  There are soooooo many features in Wikipedia, that sometimes it's hard to keep them straight. Sunandshade (talk) 16:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The top of user contributions like Special:Contributions/Sunandshade has a "logs" link to Special:Log/Sunandshade which is actually what is considered your log page but it shows log entries made by yourself, not those made by others about you. For those, enter "User:" and your username in the "Target" field instead of the "Performer" field. The thanks log is omitted by default but can be selected. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That helped. I appreciate it. Sunandshade (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The notification icon was useful, as I could see my thanks, tho they are hard to find. I did a Chrome search on the page for "thanked".  Is there a better way to find them?   Sunandshade (talk) 16:52, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not as far as I can tell. You're better off looking at the log for it even if it doesn't tell you which diff you were being thanked for. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

how to make a page
m 2601:CA:4300:A300:71C8:BCAD:7769:CCFF (talk) 20:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Check out Your First Article.  Qcne  (talk)  20:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Advice/ Assistance Request
Greetings,the same editor from topic Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents which I mentioned here for assistance just a few days ago  has just moved another page specifically authored by me without issuing a warning or initiating a talk first Talk:Afro house once again, inclusive of 'threatening' to move the other Afro Tech once again,as well, I initiated the talk when I saw a speedy deletion move banner above the page Afro house  only visible as I was editing in 'source mode' , then tracked it to the user's edit history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Styles_of_house_music&action=history , that's how I became aware. The page move was further conducted even though we were still discussing/ debating @Talk:Afro house and hadn't reached an agreement/ resolution yet. The same user has also been actively contibuting on a page titled in the same manner Hard NRG since what appears to be 3 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hard_NRG&action=history  without raising any of these types of concerns/ actions for that article. Hard NRG is a subgenre from the UK, which is not as popular or trending now, both Afro Tech & Afro house originated in South Africa 'round about the same time and is predominantly spelled in this manner across various sources by the masses all whilst specifically trending and being popularized globally now in their specific genres/fields, which is even more alarming for what's currently taking place. My allocated mentor @ZI Jony has been marked  away until 31st of December and the substitute @Fieryninja has recently been unresponsive.

Please assist and/or advise, further. ToosieJoosie (talk) 18:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure. As far as I can see this anguished issue, which has spawned its own ANI thread, is about whether the second word in Afro Tech and the second word in Afro House should or should not be capitalised. I'm pleased to say that WP still has the Lamest edit wars page. This issue is a candidate for that. My clear advice is that it is not a battle worth fighting, and you should move on and find a better use of your time. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt response. I tried to 'move on' by doing other edits and creating other articles, it just so happens that unfortuantely both these sub-genre titles are predominantly spelled this way and what I took/ take an interest in & the same editor is what appears to WP:Following me/ my edits. Furthermore, it's highly unfair that a subgenre Hard NRG of the same category can be spelled in the same/ similiar manner without encounting these actions/issues.Which the specific editor contributes to. You're right it's entirely lame and should'nt be  made such a big deal or  be taking place .  ToosieJoosie (talk) 19:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please take the advice I gave: walk away from the issue. You are not doing this. You have convinced yourself that "unfortuantely both these sub-genre titles are predominantly spelled this way " and, moreover, have convinced yourself that a) you are right and b) that this is somehow important. It is not important. It does not matter. And you may not be right. The biggest lesson on wikipedia editing is that there are lots of other editors who do not hold opinions that you hold, and you just have to put up with them. Agitating here, on ANI, on article talk pages, on mentor talk pages ... this is not helpful. It is obsessive behaviour of the sort which makes wikipedia a worse place than it should be. Please give it up and walk away. You are not helping. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt response, once again. I did not convince myself, it's what's prevalent and evidential via sources and across various platforms. My intention was and is never, ever to agitate.The editor appears to be the agitator/initiator of everything that took and is taking place, i.e. before all of this I did not even bother with the "Teahouse" or "ANI" for example. I was and am fixated on a positively, impactful and enjoyable editable, experience. Whereas the editor clearly appears to be 'obsessing' on me / my edits.Thank you so much. ToosieJoosie (talk) 19:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You have made literally hundreds of edits about this stupid issue here, Requests for page protection/Increase, User talk:Fieryninja, Talk:Afro house, Talk:Styles of house music, User talk:ToosieJoosie, Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, User talk:Daniel Case, Talk:Afro Tech. Please give it a rest. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message, once again. It's unfortunate that, that's what needed to be done to highlight misconduct, unfairness as well as hundreds of other articles with the same title stylization or more pressuring issues which haven't encountered these kinds of constant WP:FOLLOWING from one specific editor and obviously "his mates" as you said it's not important and these articles would likely not even be receiving this kind of attention if it wasn't for him, as per newcomer tasks I have come across way worse articles which have been left in those states for literal years, amongst other attributes regarding this issue. Thank you for your constructive criticism and opinion. Take care.  ToosieJoosie (talk) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, the best advice I can now give - and which I have given on the ANI thread - is that you should be blocked for your obsessive posting which is degrading wikipedia for the rest of us. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Fieryninja did engage with your question, but seems to be leaving the thread on their talkpage to the other editors it attracted. There's nothing wrong with this behaviour. Folly Mox (talk) 19:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message. Please don't get me wrong I wasn't insinuating that neither mentors weren't helping etc., I meant because she's unresponsive, I didn't know what else to do hence why I please needed "extra assistance", guidance or advice. My account is literally less than 20 days old and this is the first time, I am editing as well as creating articles. ToosieJoosie (talk) 19:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , don't despair! The other editor in the thread at your mentor's talkpage and the editors above have provided sound advice. Best not to sweat the smol stuff. If you ever need direct assistance you can always ask a question inside the helpme template on your own talkpage and someone will usually get back to you quickly. All the best, Folly Mox (talk) 21:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

RE: Changing Information
I would like to make a change to something on Wikipedia. I received this information directly from a former record producer about a song in a personal email. When I posted the information he wrote me on Wikipedia it was changed back. How can I include this information without it being changed back again? I'm assuming I didn't cite the source, but how do you cite what someone wrote you in an email? It's not like you're quoting something from a book. Rob Weingartner1968 (talk) 21:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rob Weingartner1968: The problem is that you received this information from a non-published, private correspondence. Wikipedia's verifiability policy does not consider that a reliable source. Unfortunately, this means that some information, no matter how true it is, may not be suitable for inclusion on here. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rob Weingartner1968 In short, anything on WP needs a published WP:RS, and private correspondence doesn't count. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Template:United States Armed Forces
I noticed that in the equitment part, the land section wasnt showing up and I dont know how to fix it. The land, sea and air are switched, and I tried changing the group and list but it removed both land and air. Can someone help fix it? `~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 21:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , in the template as it was immediately before your recent set of edits, the set of "land" links does show. Therefore: (i) revert your own set of edits, (ii) make a copy of the template in your own userspace, (iii) edit and experiment with this, and, when it's working as it should, (iv) copy it over the actual template. -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Insulting WI editor
What should one do about an unbelievably insulting WI editor who blocked (reverted) a number of entries put up in Wikipedia that contributes to the scholarship on various significant writers. The story: I am professor, and I managed to get some of the leading scholars in the world (over thirty of them, many of them endowed professors) to provide original, brand new critical commentary on 35 Romantic-era poets (like Coleridge, Keats, Wordsworth). These were then fashioned into a terrific scholarly website hosted by my university ("Then & Now: Romantic-Era Poets in the Encyclopedia Britannica"). The WI editor ("Billinghurst") reverted all these, saying that it was "vanity" site, saying that these were "boutique" entries, and then said it was "paid editing" (which of course it isn't), and then said I had a "conflict of interest" because I was the editor of the site. He/she then suggested I must be a very bad professor. This is all a little nuts, imo. What is the best route to take? Gkblank (talk) 00:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You do have a conflict of interest as Wikipedia defines it. The best route to take is the one suggested by the guidelines for editing with a conflict of interest - do not attempt to add the links yourself. Instead, mention them on the talk pages associated with the relevant articles for consideration by unaffiliated editors. MrOllie (talk) 00:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This appears to stem from these two threads on Gkblank's talk page and Billinghurst's talk page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Useful as it is to link to the discussions, the situation stems from Gkblank's COI editing. I concur with MrOllie's advice, which is that Gkblank should not be adding links. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please explain why links cannot be made to fully legitimate and relevant academic/scholarly articles and essays or to academic sites/scholarly sites? This happens all over on Wikipedia. Thanks for your help. Gkblank (talk) 02:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * They can. But they should be made by uninvolved editors. You are by your own admission the professor who commissioned the site. You have a conflict of interest. You have been pointed to WP:COI which advises you not to edit where you have a COI. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And in more detail: there may be tens, or hundreds, or thousands of candidate academic/scholarly articles, essays & sites which could be linked to from a WP article. An uninvolved editor who has the best interests of the wikipedia article at heart is thought likely to make decisions of benefit to the article. An involved editor is as likely to have the interests of their own "Then & Now: Romantic-Era Poets in the Encyclopedia Britannica" website at heart, rather than the WP article; or they'll somehow decide that what is good for one is good for the other. Their judgement is not trusted. It may be that "Then & Now" is a fantastic resource offering insights that really should be linked to. If so, it's to be hoped an uninvolved editor will make such links. It may be that "Then & Now" is not such a hot property. You cannot be unaware, Gkblank, that WP is a popular site, and that having links to your website on several tens of poet articles is in effect an advert for your site; something that will drive traffic to your site. Please do not pretend that you are unaware of the conflict of interest that arises because of this. Your repeated failure to acknowledge this in the Billinghurst conversation and here is, frankly, insulting and disingenuous. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * you've been adding links to a work of which you're the editor. You have a conflict of interest, and should not do that. If the work is as good as you believe (and I've no reason to doubt it), other, impartial, editors will some day add those links. Maproom (talk) 08:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This is actually useful, Tagishsimon. I guess one cares to address the outright rudeness and attempt at uncalled-for condescension made by "Billinghurst." Not to mention the somewhat illiterate nature of the commentary..... Gkblank (talk) 23:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended Protection and editing
In order to obtain extended protection privileges, you will need to own an account that's 30 days or older with OVER 500 EDITS. Although my account is over 30 days old, I am nowhere near 500 edits. This is because it is so hard ! to find articles to edit. It takes me a long time to find what to edit, and if I do it is usually a minor edit. How do I start editing more, I have no clue! 😲😲😲 MrBeastRapper (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I am learning so much ! from reading these articles, but I can't find any ways to edit them! MrBeastRapper (talk) 19:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are interested, you can revert vandals or copy edit articles in Category:All articles needing copy edit. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 19:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @MrBeastRapper WP:TASKS may have something you find interesting. Or WP:REQ. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: the OP has been indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry. CodeTalker (talk) 00:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

sigmature connal
i've been trying to make my entire signature green, but for whatever reason, everything i try (moving the style spans to the start and end over and over) either breaks around the first • or doesn't work at all

would anyone happen to know what i might be doing wrong? cogsan • (give me attention)  •  (see my deeds) 20:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes. What you're doing wrong is changing the colour of your sig so that a) it is harder to read and b) uses the same colour as a redirect (based on the User:Anomie/linkclassifier colour scheme). It's not a helpful thing to do. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * in that case, i'll have to change the color too (preferrablly to something more friendly on the eyes, like gonorrhea green on bloodshit brown)
 * but do you know how i could make the funny dots not be a different color from the rest of the signature?
 * i'm not actually gonna use that godawful scheme by the way, i'll probably just go with this somewhat more readable orange cogsan  • (give me attention)  •  (see my deeds) 22:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My recommendation would be to install the Convenient Discussions tool. Then in talk pages you will just see people's actual usernames and not those vanity signatures that just impede communication in numerous ways. CodeTalker (talk) 00:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , if you want a vanity signature, then make your own vanity signature. But asking others to help you create it seems to me like a waste of their/our time. (Actually I recommend a signature like Tagishsimon's.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * that wasn't really helpful either, but thanks anyway  cogsan (give me attention)  (see my deeds) 00:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well,, that is better. Suggestion: Cut "give me" and "see my". Doing so would save bytes and space. -- Hoary (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * tomorrow, when (and if) i also figure out how to make this thing not need the exact same [text] used thrice to make separate links look different
 * that's hogging a lot more than 15 characters  cogsan (give me attention)  (see my deeds) 00:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

important question
Hi,

I got the message someone denied my article for creation.

That's all right and i will make the nesscary changes to the draft.

i just wanted to ask that the changes made to existing articles come to the editors or the people like you who review the drafts?

2. if a writer is banned, will his articles stay in the main area? JAISHRIRAMOMOM (talk) 11:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @JAISHRIRAMOMOM, Welcome to the teahouse,
 * Answering your first question, there are admins, new page reviewers and Articles for Creation reviewers who review draft articles. Existing articles sometimes have some edits marked as pending changes to suppress nuisance which needs to be reviewed by reviewers.
 * For your second question, Yes, if an article has no serious issues it will stay in the mainspace even if the user who created it is banned. An article is not dependent on a single user. Leoneix (talk) 12:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to qualify the last, helpful comment by Leoneix: An article might be deleted if it was created by blocked editor who has returned whilst that block is still in effect and is therefore editing as a WP:SOCKPUPPET. However, if that article has had a lot of edits by other users, then it's probable that the article would not be deleted. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @JAISHRIRAMOMOM: my bad for not reading the draft carefully when I declined it; I have now done so, and realised that it is an entirely negative in content, and effectively unreferenced. Please do not create pages which only seek to attack individuals. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Under unexpected consequences, J's draft Speedy deleted and J indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Closing a discussion (sSplit article)
Hi, I am here ask about how do I close a article talk page discussion after the content got split into a different article as per the discussion performed. I am unable to understand how do I close the split dicussion. Do I just need to shift the content in to the new article (probably creating a new article as requested) and rest be assured by leaving the discussion on the talk page that way. Can someone provide me with example articles where previously split was performed through a discussion. 456legend (talk) 02:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @456legend Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find more instructions at WP:CLOSE. NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 03:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @NightWolf1223 thank you for the insight. 456legend (talk) 05:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Article writing
hello

I would like to know the ideal number of references to use on an article before submitting Princeisrael2728 (talk) 11:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * As a rule of thumb, always good to have a minimum of 3 references (WP:RS which solidly evidence the notability of the subject. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Princeisrael2728 And for many topics, especially biographies, they need to meet all of these criteria. See also this essay and note that three is likely to be a minimum, as there should ideally be no overlap in the content of individual references. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Proper formatting for listing company headquarters
Seeking guidance on company headquarters format. Should I include state/province with city and country? Some sources differ. 'City, Country' or 'City, State/Province, Country'? Links appreciated. Thanks! 166.48.65.98 (talk) 18:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. This varies from country to country, according to what is common in that country. For example, "Newark, United States" is almost never used in the US. Instead, Newark, New Jersey would be preferred. On the other hand, world famous cities do not need additional designators. London and Tokyo and Paris and Cairo and Los Angeles can stand on their own. It is a matter of good editorial judgment. Cullen328 (talk) 19:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer, but I still have some doubts. In the context of Pakistan, for example, should Karachi be referred to as 'Karachi, Pakistan' or 'Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan'? I've encountered various perplexing practices in Wikipedia articles, where some mention only the city and country, while others include the province. Some articles use a single link like Karachi, Sindh, whereas others link them separately. Should I include a link to Pakistan in these cases? Is there a general rule for this, or am I misunderstanding something?
 * I've been unable to find any guidelines on this specific concern as well... 166.48.65.98 (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * IP editor: The main guidance is at MOS:INTERNAL. Of course, given the huge number of articles, exceptions owing to different editor's interpretations (or ignorance of the guideline) will mean that consistency is nearly impossible in practice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

In Monobook skin, any Icon for watched/unwatched?
Hi, Previously I was on Timeless skin & recently switched back to Monobook. For Watched pages in Monobook there was a little "Star" icon - clear for Unwatched & hilight (darker) for Watched. Before writing here I've looked & looked within Monobook & cannot find anything except to click on Page on menu to show "Watched" or "Unwatched". So the question, any Icon in Monobook for Watched/Unwatched? JoeNMLC (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you have MoreMenu installed here or globally? It might be messing with things. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi. Are you asking for mobile, or desktop view? On desktop, I get all options on top (including "move", and "swap") of page. That includes "watch", and "unwatch". The screenshot I provided is very old though. But I still use the monobook, and get same options. There are high chances that I might have customised it, but I can't recall now. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @usernamekiran - Yes, it must be custom as I did search MediaWiki:Monobook.css, User:JoeNMLC/monobook.css, and Archive searches, but unable to find anything about "Watchlist". JoeNMLC (talk) 23:58, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * no, it's not the custom watchlist. I meant the settings for all the options being visible without clicking anything. I will look into it tomorrow when I'm on computer. —usernamekiran (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. I logged into my alternate account which has everything to default, and changed the skin to mono. I could see the "watch" option at the top of the page. Like Edward suggested above, you should look for the "MoreMenu" in Special:Preferences. It should be unchecked. I am thinking yours is checked, and hence you are getting a "Page" menu. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Thankyou @Edward-Woodrow and @usernamekiran, at Gadgets, I ticked-Off MoreMenu, and ticked-On Add a "Purge" option, so now Monobook-better. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 15:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Are these articles notable?
Do you think these articles are notable? Kk.urban (talk) 19:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Cullen Gilchrist
 * Elena Maroulleti


 * I haven't looked at the other one yet but in regards to Gilchrist, I'm leaning towards no. I looked at all of the sources listed and they seem to be more about his business than himself. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 19:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * On a very quick look, Elena Maroulleti is probably notable, imo. Johnbod (talk) 16:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

What namespace is the Main Page in?
Hullo friends. This isn't really a question about using or editing Wikipedia, but more of just a question I was curious about. The Main Page's header is just "Main Page" rather than "Special" or "Project page". The Main Page also doesn't have a title, unlike basically every other page (for example, the title of this page is "Cat".) I was wondering what namespace the Main Page was in due to these differences. That is all. Thanks in advance! Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 21:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Against all logic the Main Page is actually in mainspace (articlespace). Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:52, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Antrotherkus: It is in the Main namespace, like articles are. There's more information at Mainspace. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:52, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Antrotherkus Afaict, per main page it's in article-space. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The title on Main Page is hidden by blanking MediaWiki:Mainpage-title and MediaWiki:Mainpage-title-loggedin. This method only works for the main page. Before that feature was added to MediaWiki, it was hidden with code in sitewide CSS files like MediaWiki:Vector.css. Such code can also be used for other pages but we don't do it. As others say, the main page is in mainspace which is also called article space, but many of our article policies don't apply to it. For example, it doesn't use references. The content can only be edited by administrators who are supposed to be very careful about anything on the main page. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * K thanks :) Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 17:06, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Article writing mentirship
hello

How do I get someone to mentor me on Wikipedia page article writing Princeisrael2728 (talk) 16:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Princeisrael2728: Welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your draft at User:Princeisrael2728/sandbox.  There is lots of feedback on the template at the top of your page and on your user talk page.  Declare your conflict of interest, provide independent reliable sources (e.g. music reviews, media coverage of the awards), and use neutral language (not "blessed", "develped passion", and "driven into the music for the love to reach out with the divine message of Jesus"). GoingBatty (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Trying to submit an article about an Indian TV actor
Draft:Krishna Kaul

I've submitted this article twice now & its been rejected both times. The first reviewer said the sources weren't reliable & so I removed the ones that seemed gossipy. The second reviewer told me I shouldn't even be creating an article on this actor because he doesn't have enough roles under his belt, well he has been playing the main lead in a show for 5yrs & I just thought I could create an article about him. Also trying to create this article because there is a rapper with the same name KRSNA (rapper) & his article was linked in one of Krishna Kaul the actors shows, just wanted to get rid of the confusion. Also not everything gets written about in what's considered to be reliable sources, I have reliable video & photographic sources of every single award I've mentioned in the draft.

Also just as an example Abrar Qazi this actor started in the industry around the same time & this article has been published. Since I'm a beginner & Kaul's is my first article I'd just like to know if there's any chance or should I give up? Please Help! MeJeannie (talk) 16:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * In my view the subject passes WP:GNG and so I have promoted the article as Krishna Kaul (actor). --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh Thank you so much! Just another small help, how do I change the redirect on KRSNA (rapper) article?
 * How do I make it This article is about the rapper. For the actor, see Krishna Kaul (actor) MeJeannie (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hopefully that's all sorted out; there's now a disambiguation page because there are three subjects of that name. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating a new article
Hello! I'm an extended-confirmed user, so I am allowed to create and publish articles myself. However, there is one article in particular I am looking to publish which I submitted for publication a few years back, but it was rejected because of lack of references. Now, I was hoping to recreate it, because several new references have cropped up. Can I simply write the article and publish it, or should I go through the review process because it was rejected in the past? Thanks, Mover of molehills move me 16:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You do not need to go through Articles for Creation if you do not wish to. The previous rejection has no bearing on the proposed article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The question to ask yourself before you move the draft into article space is, "Am I reasonably certain that this article would pass a deletion discussion. If so, then go ahead and move it. If not, I suggest putting it through review to get feedback. ColinFine (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

I want to make a made-up anime in my sandbox.
So, I want to help new users at the wiki to help how diffrent pages work. I want to make a fictional anime to help some new users to help how those pages work. But I need some sources. Should I use real ones or make them up, but I want to make a made-up anime sandbox to help a new user for an anime page. Is it ok? DorkLore (talk) 00:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I doubt that you know enought about wikipedia to help. For instance, the image you uploaded is almost certainly a copyright violation. That is not a good way to start. I make the suggestion that you should spend some months getting more familiar with wikipedia, before trying to help anyone. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sadly, it is not okay. You should not make such a thing. Such content is not appropriate anywhere on Wikipedia. New users will have to receive help in some other way. —Alalch E. 00:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not correct, Alalch E. There is no bar to users using userspace to develop help or training material; see User pages. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:55, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A fictional anime using fictitious references or real references used to support the fictional topic is not appropriate content because it resembles a hoax too much. —Alalch E. 01:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No. That's just your opinion. It might or might not be a concept which someone could put together to deliver something useful. You do not get to say " Such content is not appropriate anywhere on Wikipedia" on the basis of nothing more than your feelings. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree to disagree. —Alalch E. 01:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no. Unless you can cite a policy or guideline, you're busted, Alalch E. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Resembles a hoax too much". You know what policy that attaches to. New users should not be introduced to such content. They should not be taught using fictitious references and they should not be taught using real references that support something fictitious (also known as fake references). They should be taught using real references that support something real. How else would they even understand what the purpose of sourcing is? How do fictitious references and fake references teach verifiability? —Alalch E. 01:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's commonplace to use fictitious examples in training materials. Here's Help:Referencing for beginners, a fictitious reference on Help:Referencing for beginners. Please just stop, Alalch E. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that your counterexample is valid, and I've already said agree to disagree. I do not want to prolong this. Ultimately, this is a good example to our new users coming to this page how disagreements are possible in a variety of environments, and how they're not a big deal. —Alalch E. 01:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I take an intermediate position on this disagreement. Hypothetically, some fictional anime content could be usefully incorporated into training materials, but given the nature of anime fandom, I have my doubts that a fictional anime theme is the best choice for training materials. Especially since there are countless examples of interesting factual content and real references to reliable sources that can be incorporated into any such training materials. Even more relevant is that has only 29 edits as I write this, and their account is less than two weeks old. Although I appreciate and encourage this new editor, it is hard for me to believe that this editor has the experience necessary to develop useful training materials to "help new users" in any genuine way. Would anyone reasonably expect a new violin student who got their first violin less than two weeks ago to be able to develop training materials for other new violinists? Or a new tennis player or a new chess player? Or a new student of calculus? It strains credulity. Cullen328 (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * WHY DO I HAVE SO MANY NOTIFS HELP- DorkLore (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , please do not type in all capital letters because that is perceived as shouting. You are getting multiple notifications because you began a conversation that has received a lot of responses. Cullen328 (talk) 03:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @DorkLore: If you don't want to receive notifications for a particular topic, you can click on the [[file:OOjs UI icon bell-progressive.svg]] Unsubscribe in the top-right corner of that discussion. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I strongly agree with Cullen. What if a new editor teaches new editors "lots of mentions in RS means notability"? Also, we already have The Wikipedia Adventure. @DorkLore a person receives notifications for multiple reasons, the most common are: when someone pings/mentions them, when their edit is reverted/undone, when someone edits their talkpage. Its totally okay to get/receive notifications. We mark them as read. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:34, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

created draft new entry
I have drafted a proposed article and have it in both PDF and Word. I have carefully followed the Wiki format, including footnotes, writings, references, bibliography, see also, etc.

Is there a way for me to upload, or copy, either the PDF or Word document so that Wikipedia can review it for possible editing and inclusion?

Thank you. Legendt9455 (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Not really. You'll have to start a draft and paste the text into it, and thus probably have to re-edit it to get the format to work based on wiki-markup. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Legendt9455: Welcome to the Teahouse! See Help:Your first article for lots of helpful information. GoingBatty (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There's also Help:WordToWiki. No clue if this will help. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , I often use Microsoft Word to draft new articles, carefully adding the wiki-markup (citations, wikilinks, etc.) manually. I then paste the whole thing into the Wikipedia source editor. This usually works OK, but it was quite a long time before I felt confident enough with the syntax to do that. And you need to check the finished article very carefully. But give it a try. Mike Marchmont (talk) 17:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Legendt9455. I always write my drafts on offline document files (I use Mac TextEdit) and then copy and paste onto Wikipedia. The only problem is that sometimes my apostrophes and quotation marks change to "slanted versions" so I always click on "Show preview" and correct any formatting errors before clicking on "Publish changes." Best wishes on your Wikipedia efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Twinkle
On mobile view, where does the Twinkle menu appear? I have enabled it, but can’t find the menu anywhere. Shadestar474  (talk)  18:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , it doesn't. Some of the features are available in mobile view (like the "rollback" and "vandalism" links in page histories, and "restore this revision" on old permalinks), but for most of the tasks Twinkle manages you'll have to toggle into "desktop view" on your browser, and then remove the m. from en.m.wikipedia in the URL to exit Minerva. Folly Mox (talk) 14:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you!
 * Shadestar474  (talk)  17:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Shadestar474 You can try User:Plantaest/TwinkleMobile Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  20:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. Based on your mobile's browser, you may get some or all functions of the Twinkle. You have to go to the bottom of any page, and select "Desktop view" − without changing any other browser settings/view mode. A note: loading the page/all menus may take time depending on your mobile. I generally advice against using desktop view on mobiles. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Temporary Article Edit lock
My question is why isn't there an option to temporarily stop all edits to an article(1 hour max)? I feel this would be a very beneficial in the situations such as public figures tweeting out articles, as this would allow trusted editors to out right stop random people from trying to add nonsense, and personal social links. GriffinGeiling (talk) 18:32, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There is such a facility, which can be imposed by admins. It is used sparingly, but it is used. (In fairness, not to stop all edits, merely edits by less experienced users.) See Protection policy. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Pre-emptive protection of an article based on an assumption that the article will probably be disrupted is not permitted. If disruption by new accounts or IP editors occurs, the first step is to semi-protect the article for a day or several days. Cullen328 (talk) 18:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, pages are only protected once disruption occurs. (The one exception is the new practice of protecting the WP:featured article when it appears on the main page) Protections may be requested at WP:RfPP if vandalism/disruptive editing from multiple ips/logged-in users occurs at a high level. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  22:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

I followed
I followed instructions for the previous decline on I was told I needed to provide 2-3 sources which were reliable and independent of the subject to demonstrate notability. I have done so, what is the issue? this is about Draft:Matti Charlton

I followed previous instructions and provided the sources, I do not understand the issue here. 216.209.142.143 (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Which three sources are those? Most of your sources appear to be mere listings, and irrelevant. The McLennon, Bellini, and Coonen reviews might be useful, provided the publications are reliable sources, and the reviews talk about Charlton as well as their work (I haven't got access to them, so I don't know). The Phil Paine review would be OK if it had appeared in an edited journal, but as it is, it is a self-published source, and so, not regarded as reliable. And the last citation doesn't even mention Charlton. ColinFine (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we need to emphasise that references must be about Charton, and must be significant coverage which means three or more paragraphs which are on topic, and in multiple sources which are both reliable, and are independent of Charlton. A shorthand isWP:42.
 * I have not checked the draft since my early review and have thanked the editor for following my advice. They have also asked me on my talk page. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not actually sure what the notability claim for Charlton is? The lead sentence says "music producer and author", so I would expect this to be an article about someone who is notable for producing music and writing. But there is nothing in here about music, and very little about writing. Charlton’s poetry books frequently appear in lists of the top 100 gay and lesbian books of all time gives me hope that this person is notable as an author, but the only reference here is bookauthority.org. I find it hard to believe that someone would frequently appear in this kind of list with no accesssible, mainstream reviews of their work at all. Can you find those reviews? -- asilvering (talk) 22:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Just a question
Can we make an article of some more SpongeBob episodes Ertttt (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Nooooo Ertttt (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend reading WP:42 and WP:NEPISODE to estsblish whether the episodes are notable enough for an article. After that, follow the advice at WP:YFA. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  22:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

How do you make a page?
I don't know how Ertttt (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ertttt Please click HELP:YFA and read it with care. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Ertttt, not as you made the new page Bots/Requests for approval/Erttttt23. You need to put a considerable amount of thought into the creation of a new page before you decide whether you should go ahead and create it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Accidental Vandalism (Possibly?)
So we got news that a drummer named Aaron D. Spears died recently, so I decided to check his Wikipedia page (I didn't realize it was an actor's page), and so I saw it didn't show that he died nor his correct birthdate, so I immediately changed it to the correct birthdate, but I was too lazy to write that he was dead, so I left it like that (I was really tired at the time), and then I realized before it was too late and reverted it back. Will I be punished for this? Arisential (talk) 23:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Arisential You fixed your mistake. Mistakes happen. It's fine. If you start making a habit of this kind of thing, to the point that it's obvious you're a troll, that's something else. -- asilvering (talk) 23:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with asilvering. As a side note, it's worth knowing that the phrase accidental vandalism is any oxymoron. Per Wikipedia's definition all vandalism is intentional. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  23:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with Sourcing Marriage and Children
Hello editors, I am working to update the article on behalf of Jay Sures as part of my work with Executive Writing. I am trying to update the article to note that he is married to Linda Nyvltova and that he has three children. However, the only third-party source I have is The New York Post, which is not considered a reliable source for Wikipedia. Is there any other way I could verify his marriage and children that would allow for his article to include this information?

EWChristine (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC) EWChristine (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @EWChristine. Firstly, thanks for the declaration about your paid editing on your user page but you must follow the proper declaration template at WP:PAID. Failure to do this is a breach of Wikimedia Terms and Conditions. You must also declare your conflict of interest with the article(s) you are editing, follow the instructions at WP:COI. We really discourage conflict of interest editing and scrutinise paid editing to a much higher standard.
 * That said, thank you for asking your question and clearly being willing to learn our policies and guidelines. The New York Post can be used to source basic biographic facts, such as family life. We would generally prefer a better published source, but if there are none you could use the NYP or simply not include that information in the article.  Qcne  (talk)  21:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have never understood why it is of encyclopedic interest that a person is married and/or has children. This is not necessary in the first instance. I have two cats but I don't put that fact in my professional biography. -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  23:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Article Denied For Frivolous Reasons
Hello, my article submission (which is literally just a translation of the German version, which did not have an English equivalent) was rejected because somehow the references were insufficient, even though it's the exact same ones listed in the original German version of the article, which is up without incident. Please advise. Thank you!

Draft talk:23 March 1933 Reichstag speech

Original article in German: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitlers_Rede_vor_dem_Deutschen_Reichstag_am_23._M%C3%A4rz_1933

OrdinaryContributor (talk) 00:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @OrdinaryContributor Therein lies the problem. It's a literal translation. There are no inline references to allow anyone to check the factual statements, nor any secondary sources writing about the significance of that speech. You've just copied in seemingly random block of text in German as a reference. Each Wikipedia has different criteria for notability and basic structure before being allowed in mainspace. So you will need to work on this draft to meet our standards. See WP:TRANSLATION for more details on our translation requirements, including ensuring you credit the original editors of the source article by linking to it in an 'Edit Summary'. I also wonder whether a condensed version would be better added as a section to Enabling Act of 1933.  Hope this helps a bit. Regards,
 * Enabling Act of 1933 Nick Moyes (talk) 00:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Utter nonsense, maybe go learn German or put it through a translator before you belittle the translations of other people. It's PERFECTLY accurate. This is no reason to deny an article submission, and seems rather politically-motivated. Are you a Nazi? Are you trying to prevent the world from hearing these atrocious messages in English, so that we can prevent descending into the same rabbit hole? Clearly, you seem more concerned about brevity and other nonsense - like a Fascist - than historical accuracy. OrdinaryContributor (talk) 00:30, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * OrdinaryContributor, see WP:CIVIL. Your gross insults are not appreciated and are unhelful. The article is poorly referenced. It will make no progress until the references are improved. No amount of you being unpleasant will change that situation. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The references are literal recordings of the speech, cope harder. Primary sources are sufficient. OrdinaryContributor (talk) 00:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No they are not. -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There's a link to the recording right there. Are you blind? OrdinaryContributor (talk) 00:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your concern for my vision, OrdinaryContributor. I have never had trouble renewing my driver's licence. As for the matter at hand, can I interest you in the page WP:RS? -- Hoary (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Crazy how politically-motivated you guys are, trying to prevent the German article from being read in any other language, because you don't want people to learn their lesson from history in such a critical time and would rather block the article by any means (one of you even said it didn't merit being an article to begin with as the reason to deny it). Suspicious. Either way, reported. OrdinaryContributor (talk) 00:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good stuff, OrdinaryContributor. Now what are you going to do? The article has been turned down 4 times for having insufficient references, and I think you have exhausted this forum, which advised you to improve the references. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * As Nick has pointed out, OrdinaryContributor, you can't assume that what meets the criteria for inclusion in one Wikipedia therefore meets the criteria for inclusion in another. Additionally, you can't assume that what you find in one Wikipedia even meets the criteria for inclusion in that Wikipedia. English-language Wikipedia, for example, is brimming with dreadful articles. (Here's one I came across the other day.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So you allow those dreadful articles, but prevent a properly-translated version of a German Wikipedia article from being published? You have zero reasons for doing so, as there are primary sources referenced. NOT EVERY PARAGRAPH NEEDS A CITATION. That is absolutely absurd. So if I combine everything into one massive block of text it's fine? Don't be pathetic. OrdinaryContributor (talk) 00:48, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. You're not buying the whole "please reference the article" thing, then. Oh well. The draft will linger as a draft, then. THat's the way it works. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Time and energy unfortunately don't suffice for zapping dreadful articles. Capitalizing doesn't add to persuasiveness. No, it's not fine. Do calm down a bit. -- Hoary (talk) 00:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I've made sure to report the two of you for political bias OrdinaryContributor (talk) 01:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Excellent. I presume we'll be first up against the wall :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

external links: URLs that were broken due to editing errors
hello maintainers. I made a List of ~10000 brocken URLs User:ⵓ/Worklist brocken URLs with query/78127 (feel free to fork it)

The SQL query filters not existing top level-domains, all URLs in this List are broken. The Domain in list is in reversed order

Most of the cases are easy to fix (i.e remove a white space-character). In some cases I needed a URL-decoder ( meyerweb.com/eric/tools/dencoder/). More difficult cases can only be solved with the help of the version history or with the help of web archives and Google search. (i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2018%E2%80%9319_Ukrainian_First_League&diff=prev&oldid=1185545810 )

I fixed this kind of errors in german wikipedia so query/77794 is clean. But I am not able to do this in english wikipedia. ⵓ (talk) 17:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, ⵓ, and welcome to the Teahouse. (I'm surprised that your user name is acceptable, to be honest).
 * What is it you are asking, exactly?
 * If you are inviting other people to do some of the work you have chosen to do - well, there might be somebody who is interested, but that is not really what this page is for. ColinFine (talk) 19:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Their username is the Tifinagh letter U, not a colon. – dudhhr talkcontribssheher 19:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I am looking for users who specialize in external link / link rot maintenanceⵓ (talk) 23:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * User:ⵓ, thank you for this. You might want to cross-post to WT:LINKROT, where the people who specialise in this kind of repair will be able to make use of your worklist. Folly Mox (talk) 06:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Question about "articletopic:"
What is articletopic: ? At Category:All_articles_lacking_reliable_references you can filter by article topic but some dont make sense because List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population is there with articletopic:internet-culture incategory:"All articles lacking reliable references"

I dont see anything on the page or in the code editor or Talk and I tried Hidden categories. I cant fix it or say it at Talk or Noticeboard because I dont know what it is or why Softlem (talk) 05:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Softlemonades. articletopic is a keyword used by Wikimedia's machine learning models (currently in transition from ORES to LiftWing). Not sure why the linked article would have been assigned the topic "internet culture" by that AI model. I don't know that editors have any means of directly influencing or querying articletopic. Folly Mox (talk) 05:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Folly Mox! Softlem (talk) 06:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It had a section called "Websites" which was just an external link so I changed it to the normal heading "External links". Maybe the model liked a "Websites" section for internet-culture. mw:Help:CirrusSearch says "Topic-related search data is updated weekly" so it may be some time before the article is removed if that was the cause. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Article
How do I create a brand new article on someone or something? Bukashamba (talk) 07:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not at all like this, Bukashamba -- though perhaps you were just testing. First, read Help:Your first article carefully. Then think hard about notability (as this is understood in en:Wikipedia). And, if you decide that reliable sources suffice to demonstrate your subject's notability, then proceed. -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You created Draft:Swarna Pandey and also Swarna Pandey with same content, neither with any references. The latter has been nominated for deletion. You removed the AfD tag from the article three times. Don't do that again! You also have a very high percentage of your earlier article edits reverted. Please examine the reverts to understand what you are doing wrong. David notMD (talk) 14:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , the best thing you can do at the moment is find some good sources writing about Swarma Pandey. Newspaper articles are a good choice, provided they're not publicity pieces prompted by the creators of films in which she's played. Unfortunately at her age it is quite possible there isn't much written yet, it might be WP:TOOSOON to have an article about her. But if you can find about three independent newspaper articles or similar good sources, an article is possible. Go back to the draft article and summarise these sources in your own words, avoiding any flowery, exaggerated language. Make sure you include the sources you've found as citations to support what you say. Then submit the draft for review, and be patient. If you've got reasonable sources, the article will ultimately make it to main-space. Elemimele (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Photograph of headteacher at Dumfries High School
Hi, I've just reverted the addition of a photograph of a teacher to the article Dumfries High School. The teacher is named in the article as having falsified exam results. It didn't seem to me that the image added anything to the article and I also thought it might be contrary to WP:BLPPRIVACY, though images are not mentioned in that policy. I'm wondering though about the image of the headteacher which was already in the article. Again, I'm not sure it adds anything for the reader; but thinking about privacy specifically, looking at WP:IMAGEPOL I see that privacy in policy terms is only an issue if the picture was taken in a public place. The image in this case was taken outside a school. Is a school a public or private place as far as this policy is concerned? I checked the essay at WP:WPSCH/AG, but it does not cover images of staff. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 22:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * School is a public place and considering she didn't just fake 1 exam but 50, that would in, my opinion, justify a photo of her taken outside the school being included in the article. GriffinGeiling (talk) 22:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wasn't asking about my removal of the picture of the teacher (the image doesn't make it clear where that was taken), but what policy is about including pictures of headteachers. I'm interested in the general policy as well as relating to this particular article. Tacyarg (talk) 22:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tacyarg: This doesn't answer your question, but commons:File:PhilCubbon.png has been nominated for speedy deletion for allegedly being a copyright violation. GoingBatty (talk) 23:29, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is it necessary to have a photograph of any person connected with this school? How is her physical appearance of encyclopedic notability at all? I see no reason for any photograph of any person to be associated with this article. -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  23:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tacyarg Offhand, I can't point to any guidelines or essays that will specifically justify inclusion/exclusion of an image of a member of staff of a school. But all images need to be relevant, appropriate, and give added encyclopaedic value to an article. If one wants to know what staff members look like, then an WP:EXTERNALLINK to the school website should suffice in the majority of cases. It would certainly be WP:UNDUE in my opinion to include a photo of staff members/head teachers, irrespective of whether or not they were subject to media scrutiny, unless that person were already WP:NOTABLE. It definitely is so in the instance of a controversy relating to staff actions. As always, common sense applies, and I think the editor who added the copyright images and claiming them as their own was trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, as these were virtually their only edits. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We should probably lean on the side of caution and remove both photos. When he's not the principal or whatever anymore, the photo is going to be removed anyway. ~WikiOriginal-9~  ( talk ) 00:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you all, that is helpful. Tacyarg (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * To be honest, the article's handling of the teacher who got reprimanded is not great. It accuses her of faking more than 50 results, supporting this with a pay-walled article (acceptable but not ideal when supporting highly negative information) and an article that was written before the hearing that dealt with her case. Meanwhile, an article written after the hearing states 40. The other articles I find talking 50+ are also pre-hearing, which implies that maybe she was "acquitted" of 10+, and we should not err on the high side. The article has also clearly misled into believing she faked 50 exams whereas so far as I can see she faked the teacher-assessment of 40? pupils in one exam. Our article's one-liner also fails to reflect the background behind the case (that she was struggling with work-load; that she had already been suspended from work for a long period; that she had expressed great contrition and admitted she'd messed up). We should be very cautious of stuff that encourages readers to jump to tabloid-conclusions about real, living individuals. And ultimately, events like this should have sustained coverage to be encyclopaedia-worthy. I can find no sustained coverage of this event. And that's ignoring the grammatical error. Elemimele (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The article is up for deletion. The handing of the teacher incident in the article is, to me, a very clear, gross and rank BLP violation. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Karasuma Street
Hello. Please, add infomarion in this article. I am not new. СтасС (talk) 09:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I want to create this article in Russian Wikipedia.--СтасС (talk) 09:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @СтасС, Translate us have guidance on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:15, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you need help with the Russian Wikipedia, ask there. I think this is the page for it: ru:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%89%D1%8C_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BC — Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolfRed (talk • contribs) 22:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

My article has been reviewed, what does this mean?
Hello! :) I've dabbled in editing articles for a few months now and finally decided to try my hand at creating an article myself. I just submitted it and recieved a notification saying that my article was "reviewed". Clicking the notification just takes me back to the article though. If I've received feedback on it, where can I see it? Mercedes-Fletcher (talk) 20:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Mercedes-Fletcher, welcome to the teahouse. I think a new page reviewer read through your article, found it agreeing with the standards of WP:NPP, and marked it as "reviewed". You don't need to do anything right now.
 * Sometimes a new page reviewer may also leave you some feedback, either on the talk page of the article or on your talk page. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 20:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So that's a good thing then? Alright, thank you! :) Mercedes-Fletcher (talk) 20:57, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Mercedes-Fletcher. If you were notified that Colladonus clitellarius was reviewed, it is now officially a Wikipedia article. Congratulations! Karenthewriter (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yay! Thank you! Mercedes-Fletcher (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Copyedits
Hi - I just discovered the Guild of Copyeditors and Cleanup. Can anyone post requests here or does it have to be to an article you personally created? If I've been contributing to an article and I'd like to see it cleaned up a bit but I didn't create it can I still post a request? TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 23:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @TaxGalPDX2: Welcome to the Teahouse! Anyone can post requests to the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests or add maintenance templates such as copy edit to articles.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool, thank you Batty!!! TaxGalPDX2 (talk) 00:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Urgent Assistance Needed: Conflict of Interest Disclosure Process
Dear Wikipedia Teahouse,

I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to seek urgent assistance with a conflict of interest (COI) matter that I am currently facing on Wikipedia.

I have been following the guidance provided, but unfortunately, I am struggling to find the specific process for disclosure. The situation is further complicated as my edits are being revoked without a clear resolution. I believe a lack of disclosure is the root cause, and I am eager to rectify this as soon as possible.

Given the urgency of the matter and my commitment to aligning with Wikipedia's policies, I kindly request your guidance on the COI disclosure process. If there is a specific avenue or protocol that I may have overlooked, your expertise would be invaluable.

The timely resolution of this issue is crucial to ensuring that my contributions comply with Wikipedia's standards. I would appreciate any assistance or clarification you can provide in this regard.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter, and I look forward to your guidance.

Best regards,

Chitheenabler Chitheenabler (talk) 22:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, @Chitheenabler and welcome to the Teahouse. You can dislose a COI on your user page on the talk page of the article, or in your edit summary. I see you've already disclosed it on your talk page, which is a good first step. Read WP:DISCLOSE for more info. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  22:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Chitheenabler, I'd guess that you are paid. If you are indeed paid, then read Paid-contribution disclosure. Note if you're not specifically paid for work in Wikipedia but this is part of a job for which you are paid, you are "paid". Also, if you're writing as an unpaid intern, you're "paid". If I'm wrong and you're not paid, then jump straight to Conflict of interest. -- Hoary (talk) 22:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Chitheenabler, you say on your talk page "I work for Anne Kabagambe and assist in managing her Wikipedia presence." You are paid. And this set of edits shows that you added, for example, "Raised in a household where public service was a way of life, she developed a profound sense of responsibility and a strong belief in the transformative power of education" -- and, unsurprisingly, cited no source for this. But Wikipedia is not a repository for such advertising. Here we have a vivid illustration of the reason why paid writers should not edit articles directly. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And no, there is no urgency. ColinFine (talk) 14:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hoplite article
I am working on creating an article called Draft:Hoplite (Minecraft). I haven't found references yet, but it is about the recently released 2023 Minecraft SMP server. Idk if it meets WP:GNG. How can I expand it? TheLatinNerd (talk) 23:36, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @TheLatinNerd welcome to the Teahouse. It sounds like this is a good case of WP:TOOSOON. Unless the game/server has been written about in detail and in depth in Reliable Sources independent of the subject, then it will fail our Notability criteria. See also the following essay: WP:NSOFTWARE. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, TheLatinNerd, and welcome to the Teahouse. As Nick says, almost certainly too soon. The very very very first thing to do when you contemplate writing an article is to look for sources which meet the golden rule (independent, reliable, and substantial) because if you can't find them, then you'll know that every second you spend on creating and writing a draft will be wasted effort.
 * Another way of looking at it is that, since everything in an article must come from a reliable published source (and most of it from independent sources), until you have found such sources, there is literally nothing that you can validly write about the subject!
 * And one more way of lookiing at it, metaphorically this time: starting to write an article without first finding sources is like starting to build a house without first surveying the plot or checking local regulations. ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

addiction
fetinol and its effects when used with other street drugs Dawniak (talk) 17:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dawniak Hello, welcome to the teahouse. Sadly, I cannot understand you question, mind you elaborating that? -Lemonaka‎  17:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not the right place to ask such a question. Try Reference desk/Science maybe. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Fentanyl presumably. Let's just say the effects are bad. Johnbod (talk) 18:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * When they did DARE in school when I was 10 I said I would never do any of that. But then last week I got narcanned in a McDonalds bathroom. So I guess you never know. Bimplescub (talk) 04:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tamzin I'm pinging you since this discuss is highly illegal, this is something related to self harm. I believe this can be a WP:IAR for you ban against me. -Lemonaka‎  14:37, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Finding a word
I can't find the meaning of a word. 69.75.147.42 (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Ip user. The teahouse is generally used as a forum to help new users with editing Wikipedia not for general knowledge queries. If you tell me the word, I can try to help, but, in the future, such questions should be asked at the reference desk. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  17:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * well, search it up in a dictionary , what word do you mean ? 😂 MrBeastRapper (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * maybe try looking it up on google? i generally just search "define" followed by the word im looking for so see if maybe that helps? mushi ( ? ) 19:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, is this about Wiktionary? In that case you'd be better off here — MATRIX! (a good person!)&#91;citation unneeded&#93; 16:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Looking for some help identifying errors in my draft.
Hey there! I just created my first draft about 818, Kendall Jenner's tequila company, and it was denied for unreliable sources and non-neutrality. To me, it didn't really read like an advertisement and I have no connection to the brand. Could someone with some more experience please let me know what changes I could make to make my draft more neutral sounding? Also, since this is a celebrity tequila brand, the only sources are from magazines and blogs that cover celebrities. However, these are seen as unreliable and I am not really sure what to do. Thanks!

Here's my draft: Draft:818 Tequila Kbthebear (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * With respect to the non-neutrality of the text, I have made a few edits which should remove some statements that might seem promotional. Sohom (talk) 18:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kbthebear I also don't see enough non-insider sources in your draft at the moment to justify a stand-alone article. I suggest you consider expanding this section on Kendall Jenner's article and create a WP:REDIRECT from the name of the drink to that section. Hope this might help. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikiprojects
how do I join a wikiproject JamesCook1728 (talk) 23:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I don’t think you really have to join per se. You just participate and say you have joined. User:Octobeef (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @JamesCook1728 and welcome to Wikipedia! As @Octobeef said above, joining a Wikiproject is entirely optional and isn’t required to edit. A list of Wikiprojects can be found here, at the directory. I hope you can find a way to get involved with editing Wikipedia. Don’t hesitate to contact me with any questions or comments you have. Thanks and happy editing! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * . Most of the wikiprojects created over the psst 22 years are inactive, but a few remain highly active. There is usually a list of members and you can add your username if you want. Cullen328 (talk) 00:53, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding photos of people I have a COI with
Hi folks,

I've read WP:DISCLOSE and WP:COI but I just want to check. Someone I have a professional relationship with (my boss) is the subject of a Wikipedia article, and her article does not have a photo. Were I to get a photo of her (either taken myself or provided by her under an acceptable license), would I be able to add it myself if disclosed in the edit summary/talk page? Or would it be more appropriate to ask another contributor to handle it once I've facilitated the photo being acquired and licensing issues taken care of? MrSeabody (talk) 09:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, @MrSeabody. Generally we allow a person with a COI to add such a photo. We do want all articles to have an appropriate image, if one is available, and I always prefer the photo of a living person be one they actually like. To be completely on the safe side:
 * Take the photo yourself (or have her take a selfie) and don't upload it anywhere else on the internet before uploading it to Wikipedia Commons
 * At the article's talk page, open a new section and make a COI edit request, with a link to the file on Commons. If you ping me to that talk page, I'll be happy to take a look if someone else doesn't come along and help out before I get there.
 * Valereee (talk) 10:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

.svg download
How can I download old versions of .svg files? IPs are people too 🇺🇸🦅 00:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @IPs are people too and welcome to Wikipedia! I’d like to direct you to our sister project, Wikimedia commons (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) that has thousands of photos available for download. You can also view the old versions of these files on commons. They also have a page that explains in detail how to download files from the site, if you’re unsure how: (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Download_tools) I would personally recommend the Imker. If you have any questions or concerns, please don’t hesitate to ask. Thanks and happy editing! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Illusion Flame, you can create interwiki links by prepending a colon and the abbreviation for the applicable project (as defined in meta:Interwiki map), so for example you can link c:Commons:Download tools like undefined. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox (talk) 03:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder Molly. I write up my responses in Apple’s notes feature, which is why the links post like that. Sorry! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 03:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Haha no need to apologise! Just sharing a tip. Folly Mox (talk) 09:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nice to have a short clear explanation, thanks, FM! So many help pages are so inclusive of tech explanations and (for me) rarely-needed alternative solutions that the basics get lost and the sheer volume becomes daunting. (Actually led me to create Help:Archiving (plain and simple) literally for my own use because every time I went to Help:Archiving a talk page it put me off the idea of adding an archives to anything.) :D Valereee (talk) 10:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

New Artist Page
Hello, I am a new musical artist from Germany, and I would like a page for myself. I have looked at some tutorials online but I am kindda confused on what my next steps are. Can someone help? Thekidkaihan (talk) 09:53, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, @Thekidkaihan. I'm afraid Wikipedia isn't like social media; you have zero control over whether there's an article about you or what goes into that article. Unless there is significant coverage of you and your work in independent reliable sources, we can't create an article, and you actually shouldn't. There's information about this at WP:ABOUTME. Valereee (talk) 10:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia @Thekidkaihan! We appreciate your interest in Wikipedia, but we don't actually take direct "requests" for the creation of articles and we discourage people from writing or editing articles about themselves, their companies, their clients, or their products and services (for more about why, please see our policy on a conflict of interest. and our policy on Notability).
 * However, you can suggest your article topic to Wikipedia editors by adding it to one of the lists here. Please note that you should add the title (in this case, your name) to the specific subject area listing where it best fits.
 * And if you are willing to write the article yourself, disclose your own conflict-of-interest, and submit it for other editors to review, you can use our Article Wizard, located here to write it and then submit it to our Articles for Creation process where it can be considered for publication— the backlog there is really small right now.
 * I hope this has been helpful. Again, thank you for your interest and don’t hesitate to contact me with any further questions! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Blocked
This your IP address: 2400:2200:421:D872:43C:7DF4:23D:1B8E - expiry 3 months

Expiry time: 2024-01-20 03:50

User talk:2400:2200:421:D872:43C:7DF4:23D:1B8E Yusaya67351 (talk) 12:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, you've written about this at the Help Desk as well. -- Hoary (talk) 12:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I ANT TO OPEN A PAGE FOR ME BUT CAN'T GIVE THE DIRECT LINK I CON'T GET THE RIGHT LINK
I ANT TO OPEN A PAGE FOR ME BUT CAN'T GIVE THE DIRECT LINK I CON'T GET THE RIGHT LINK Shoaibmahmud9171 (talk) 12:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Please do not attempt to create an article about yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 12:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * All capital letters is seen as shouting. Read the content at WP:AUTO, which explains the difficulty in trying to create an article about yourself. Wikipedia is not social media. Only if people with no connection to you have published about you in reputable publications - usable as references - would there be any possible success. David notMD (talk) 13:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I switch from source editing to visual editing in Sandbox?
The "Switch editor" button at the top right of the text box doesn't exist for some reason when editing that page. 91.129.104.148 (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's because the visual editor does'nt work on that page. You will need to go to Draft:Sandbox to test out the visual editor. NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 16:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can use the Visual Editor on any page which uses the  content model by using a URL such as https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&veaction=edit, so it's less the visual editor geniuly not working there and more it not being configured to make its activation methods available there. Article and Draft: are not the only namespaces where its configured to be available, it also works in User:, File:, Category:, Portal: and Help:. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for linking that page. What's the reason for the button appearing on Draft:Sandbox but not Sandbox? The visual editor seems to work on both, it's just the button to switch to it that's missing. 91.129.104.148 (talk) 17:12, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Officially, the visual editor is only supported in the article and draft namespaces on the English Wikipedia. NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 17:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Will it become supported in other namespaces in the future? 91.129.104.148 (talk) 17:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Unlikely. DisscusionTools covers the talk pages. For the same reason, it won't be supported in the Wikipedia: namespace (where you are right now). This namespace contains pages like the Teahouse, where the disusssion page is not a talk page. NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 17:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * VisualEditor is poorly suited for discusssions and the Wikipedia namespace is often used for discussions. Registered users can install User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/VisualEditorEverywhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. Still, it'd be a lot more convenient if the button to switch still existed in those namespaces (though maybe with a warning popup or something), for doing things that are much easier with the visual editor (like editing citations).
 * Also, a possibly related question: Why does en.wikipedia.org have only one "Edit" button that opens either the visual or source editor (apparently depending on which I used last), even though et.wikipedia.org has buttons for both "Edit" and "Edit source" (and is there a way to make en.wikipedia.org also have both buttons so I can choose which one to use without sometimes having to wait for the "wrong" editor to load before I can switch to the one I actually want at the time)? This also happens on pages in the article namespace, so I don't think the reason for it is the same as for my previous question. 91.129.104.148 (talk) 03:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Preferences>Editing>Editing mode gives you a drop down; set it to 'show me both editor tabs'. Valereee (talk) 10:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Where do I find the Preferences? And why are there both tabs by default on et.wikipedia.org but not en.wikipedia.org? Thanks. 91.129.104.148 (talk) 11:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Preferences is at the very top of every page. Each wiki decides what will be the default preference settings on that wiki; at some point there must have been a discussion here to not make 'show me both' the default setting. I agree with you that having both is helpful -- I go back and forth often, depending on exactly what I'm doing -- but some people object to what they perceive as unhelpful extra clutter in the various toolbars, some people dislike or disapprove of the use of Visual Editor and will oppose anything that makes using it likely to be more common. :) Valereee (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Special:Preferences only works for registered users. It's stored server-side so settings apply to any device or browser where you are logged in. It has hundreds of settings and features. VisualEditor has some configuration settings at mw:Extension:VisualEditor. Wikis can choose differently. The choices for Wikimedia wikis are stored in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, had just found that out myself. 91.129.104.148 (talk) 13:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Whoops, sorry, editing without enough coffee onboard. :) Valereee (talk) 14:03, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Still couldn't find the preferences, looked it up and according to Help:Preferences they're login-only. :(
 * After some searching, I found Talk:VisualEditor and VisualEditor/Single_edit_tab, which are related to the "single edit tab" thing, but I haven't been able to find any discussions that resulted in changing it to be that way.
 * Thanks for the other info! :) 91.129.104.148 (talk) 13:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've left a message at User talk:91.129.104.148 about the benefits of creating an account. It's fast, free, easy, and doesn't require any personal information (although I do recommend giving your email, as that can save future stress.) It hides your IP, makes communication easier, and allows you to set up an amazing number of tools that make editing easier. Valereee (talk) 14:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll probably end up creating an account eventually, once I have more time to do wikipedia-related stuff.
 * Would making an account prevent me from occasionally still editing without logging in (for example if I notice a typo or some vandalism in an article and fix it without taking the time to log in) due to it being considered sockpuppeting? 91.129.104.148 (talk) 14:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, you can still edit as an IP. The login page should offer you the option of staying logged in for a year, though, so even a casual typo fix won't require you to log in first. What you want to avoid is intentionally logging out to make an edit, especially if it's on a page you're also currently editing logged in. Valereee (talk) 15:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I do most of my browsing in a private window, as that keeps random pages from cluttering up my browser history and somewhat reduces stuff like cookie-based tracking, so I wouldn't stay logged in by default. I'll look more into the account stuff later when I have time. Thanks for the help and bye! :) 91.129.104.148 (talk) 15:35, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Pind Sharif Dargah
I recently created Pind Sharif Dargah, i just started to create Pind Sharif, as both are different (one is shrine and other is village) but i saw that Pind Sharif is a deleted article which was created by a Blocked or banned user, how can i create it? Can i directly create it as i create other article or i have to go through Draft and AfC? Help -- Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 13:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You can go ahead and create the page, but if you want to be sure you can also create it as a draft and submit it through AFC just for a peer review. Any account which is at least autoconfirmed can create any page that is not protected or blacklisted. If any page doesn't align with Wikipedia's policies it may be deleted. We do not allow blocked or banned users to create new accounts to evade their bans, and if they do we can systematically delete any pages that they have created. As far as I can tell that is the only reason this article was deleted, so if it's a topic you want to write an article about you can go ahead.
 * You'll see in the deletion log entry that the page was deleted by the administrator . If you're ever not sure if you can recreate a page, you can go to the talk page of the administrator who deleted it and ask them first. Good luck with your next article! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, Thanks I will go through the Draft and AfC process. -- Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 15:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft url can be changed?
I created a draft, Now need to update/edit the url...Is it possible?

If possible, then What's the way for that?

Thank you Jrovc (talk) 15:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, @Jrovc, and welcome to the teahouse! Yes, you can change the title of a draft (or any page) by moving it. See Help:Move for how to do that. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 15:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Maddy from Celeste thank you for your help Jrovc (talk) 16:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

First article: getting my references right
Hello, I am currently drafting my first article about a defunct sand and gravel business which became a significant producer and distributor of construction materials in the North of England from the 1930's to the 1970's. My draft article was declined a few days ago as my references did not show that that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Completely fair and I have since read a lot of wikipedia policy and guidance pages about the subject, taken advice from a couple of Wikiprojects and revised my references, adding more detailed sources including an in-depth Yorkshire Post article in 1937 and industry reference books from the period. Before I re-submit, I'm looking for a little help to check if others agree that these sources now meet the criteria and gather any further suggestions or advice.

My article is here: Draft:Stephen Toulson & Sons.

For complete transparency, there is a COI declaration on the article talk page - I am the founder's great great grandson. The company was sold before I was born and I have no, nor have I ever had, any financial or other affiliation with the company. Adam.toulson (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * , I'll leave others to judge if you have proved notability; though I'm not sure that the references are substantial enough. I'll offer a couple of suggestions:
 * There are some pictures available at toulsondna.com. It would improve the look of the article if the copyright holder were willing and legally able to licence those images appropriately (which would allow anybody to use them any way they wished, provided they gave credit) and upload them to Commons, so they could appear in the article. I have added an external link to one of your videos which is relevant.
 * Secondly, you need to be aware that Wikipedia does not permit plagiarism. You have reproduced certain text from the toulsondna website (eg the paragraph starting 'Articles of association ...') which is neither set as a quote nor credited. Since the website is clearly copyrighted, and the text there credited to the late J A S Toulson, you cannot assume that you have the right to reuse it freely. I suggest that this is most easily solved by (i) rewriting the text to express the same facts in different words, and (ii) citing the website in the normal fashion. Note that as a non-independent source, this does not support any claims to notability, but is satisfactory for establishing basic information about the business.
 * Don't be discouraged. I'd love to see this article approved and moved to mainspace. -- Verbarson talkedits 17:03, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There's also quite a lot of uncited stuff - the last two sections, for instance - where folksy and unencyclopaedic assertions are made - a lasting legacy as a key player, marked a new chapter. This sort of phraseology detracts from the article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Brutal but helpful! Thanks @Tagishsimon, I've removed the final section which was unnecessary and made some edits throughout to remove phraseology and anything that might be interpreted as promotional.  Hopefully the result is a more factual and encyclopaedic article.  Thanks for taking the time to help. Adam.toulson (talk) 21:52, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Many thanks @Verbarson for taking the time to review my article and provide me with some coaching and support, it really is appreciated. I own some of the original pictures posted on the ToulsonDNA website (gifted to me by the late John Alfred Stephen Toulson, who was my grandfather).  I've uploaded a couple of them to Commons and used them in the article as you suggest.  I've also made some substantial edits to the text to make those sections written by my grandfather more succinct and cited the website. Please let me know if you have any further feedback and thanks again. Adam.toulson (talk) 21:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It's a good article, but per Verbarson, I'm not sure that the notability of the subject is demonstrated by the references; which is a matter of regret. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The repeated use of "more than" comes across as promotional. If the sources say how many horses, quarries, etc., then use that number. Maproom (talk) 09:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Trimmed a bit. It's close. David notMD (talk) 15:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you @David notMD! Adam.toulson (talk) 16:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clear and actionable feedback @Maproom - I've taken that onboard and removed all references to "more than" or "significant" etc and used the number printed in the source. Adam.toulson (talk) 16:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Page creation
What are the requirements for creating a page? Cometkeiko (talk) 16:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would suggest reading Your First Article to learn more about the process of writing a new article.  It's highly recommended that you first gain experience and knowledge about Wikipedia by first editing existing articles in areas that interest you.  Using the new user tutorial will help you as well. The first step is to gather some independent reliable sources that on their own discuss the topic in depth, sources that you can summarize in an article. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks! Cometkeiko (talk) 16:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay! :) OddyAwesome (talk) 17:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please use only one account for editing, otherwise it is considered sockpuppeting. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 18:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you’re talking about Saintnassi, that isn’t me, and the only other accounts I have are “FeatherlyBird” and “FeatherlyBirdy”. Cometkeiko (talk) 18:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Why have you got three accounts? --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * FeatherlyBird and FeatherlyBirdy were my old accounts, but I lost access to them and I don’t plan to get them back anytime soon, Cometkeiko (talk) 18:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * t/y. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Is Chaotic a neutral adjective?
I'm using it to describe an artist's style. If not, what would be an alternative neutral adjective in place of 'chaotic'? YellowSodium (talk) 14:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Whatever the source says? --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * To enlarge on Tagishsimon's correct if cryptic answer – an article should only describe its subject in terms that its cited Reliable sources have done. You do not need to come up with your own adjectives, because your own judgement would constitute Original Research, or at best Synthesis, which Wikipedia disallows. If a Source has described the artist's style as 'chaotic', it's fine to say that, making it clear that it's the Source saying that rather than it being just Wikipedia's (i.e. your) opinion. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.241.161.192 (talk) 18:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you! YellowSodium (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I misread this as "Is Chaotic neutral an adjective?" and was super confused lol Industrial Insect (talk) 19:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

How can I search a GA article by any particular category I wish?
How can I search a GA article by any particular category I wish. For example, I need to get the list of all articles that have category Category:Glucocorticoids and are GA-class?

How can I search an article specifying a category and that it is a GA-class article?

If I specify Category:GA-Class_articles as a category in the Search, I get an error "Deep category query returned too many categories" and it doesn't find anything. Whether I specify two categories (Glucocorticoids AND GA-Class_articles) or just one category (GA-Class_articles) I get the same error "Deep category query returned too many categories". Only the non-GA category like Glucocorticoids works as a search category.

Please suggest a tool or instructions on how to search by category among GA articles to get the list of all GA articles that fit particular category? The subcategories like Category:GA-Class 2010s articles‎ don't help because there are no such subcategory that I need. (Updated Maxim Masiutin (talk) 20:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC))Maxim Masiutin (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Maxim Masiutin, you might want to use Petscan . It can take the intersection of two categories and spit out the results. NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 19:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your help!
 * My initial question was improperly formatted.
 * I used the category "GA-Class articles" which was not accepted in search, always giving the error "Deep category query returned too many categories".
 * However, if I use the category "Good articles" instead, then the Wikipedia search works fine.
 * However, the Petscan does not work correctly and gives a shorter list than Wikipedia.
 * For example, if I get the list of articles having the following categories:
 * Autosomal recessive disorders
 * Good articles
 * , Wikipedia returns 6 articles whereas Petscan returns only 4. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 20:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Set depth to 2 and you get 7 articles. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Maxim Masiutin: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can also go to Good articles and navigate the "List of good articles, arranged by topic".  GoingBatty (talk) 19:53, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Citing a non-English translation of another foreign language
Are there any parameters in "cite book", etc. that allow one to note when the source material is a non-English translation of another foreign language? For example, I recently created this article: one of its sources is in Spanish. However, its original language is actually German or Polish. In case anybody was wondering, this particular source has never been translated into English, although small portions of it have appeared quoted in a number of publications. (Also, although I'm a proficient German reader and can sort of make out Polish because of my knowledge of Russian and passing acquaintance of other Slavic languages, Spanish is my mother tongue, which is why I chose to use this translation. Anyway, I don't have the original language source available, whereas the Spanish translation is in my personal collection.) As always your help is very appreciated. Thank you! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. The purpose of the citation is to point to the publication you used. Its purpose is not to point to the work of which your source was a translation. I guess if it is for some reason critical to convey details of the original work, you might have to provide two citations, by way of REF this book which is a translation of that book /REF. ---Tagishsimon (talk) 21:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * CurryTime7-24, yes, there is a param you can use for that: orig-date. First, you should use param language to specify the language of the source you used (as you did ). If that Spanish source was translated from Polish, you don't have to mention that, but if you want to, you can using param orig-date as follows (example shows addition of translator params also):
 * If you have access to the Polish edition and are citing that one in other parts of the article, so that you have both the Spanish and the Polish citations present, you can also link the two together if you wish. Mathglot (talk)
 * If you have access to the Polish edition and are citing that one in other parts of the article, so that you have both the Spanish and the Polish citations present, you can also link the two together if you wish. Mathglot (talk)

Help?
Yeah I forgot how to access this but I clearly remember a special page on Wikipedia where I could see the "live updates" of every single edit etc that is happening on the wiki live. Does anyone here have a clue what I'm talking about? 62.240.62.182 (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Seems like you'relooking for Special:RecentChanges. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. If you want to, you can also Listen to live updates happening in real time. Just go HERE. It's very hypnotic! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:17, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

WikiLove
Hello, I would like to have Template:The Most Improved Editor's Barnstar & Template:The Anti-anon Barnstar added to the WikiLove system throughout the English Wikipedia. Where do I go to make that happen? Thanks. - Jerium (talk) 22:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * See mw:WikiLove to add another symbol for yourself. But to get something added throughout English Wikipedia, you would need to open a discussion at WP:VPR. ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

in regards to
i come across the words "in regards to" all the time, but i think it should be "in regard to" in all of those instances (unless the text is inside a quote of someone mistakenly saying that). am I correct here? i want to validate that before i make the change in many places. Iljhgtn (talk) 22:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It should not be pluralised - https://languagetool.org/insights/post/regard/ ... ideally it should not be used, fullstop, IMO: regarding, concerning, about &c. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Might be an WP:ENGVAR thing. Wiktionary lists both.  Don't do a mass change without consensus.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iljhgtn: There are over 10,000 articles containing "in regards to". You might want to discuss at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Typos. GoingBatty (talk) 22:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * i am approved for AWB, but have not used it yet. this seems like it would be a good first usage if i was careful to not use it on instances appearing inside of a quote. what do you think? Iljhgtn (talk) 23:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think GoingBatty's suggestion is sensible. You might want to win consensus for your plan. You might find that heavy going b/c some folk don't understand rules of grammar, and some simply don't believe in them & would be the first to put Eric Partridge up against the wall . --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:38, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * if this is a monumental task, i can move on to other things. Iljhgtn (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You need to decide if you want to break this ground. No-one can make you do it. Getting consensus for doing things which affect thousands of articles is wise. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * if i dont use AWB, and just change it on an ad hoc basis when i come across it seems easier and i want to make sure just doing that is not a problem? Iljhgtn (talk) 00:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Iljhgtn, I can't see why it should be. But you'd be spending a nontrivial amount of time on an extraordinarily trivial pursuit -- indeed, one that in my opinion (unlike Tagishsimon's) would bring zero benefit. Consider the article Rajpurohit, which now tells us: "Rajpurohit and Charan communities are considered to be identical in regards to their social customs and political ideologies." If you're going to tinker with that, then why not "Rajpurohit and Charan communities are considered to have identical social customs and political ideologies"? Indeed, if you're in a mood to clear up crappy prose, I always recommend searching for the string "at the tender age of". Such starstruck editorializing doesn't belong in Wikipedia, and any article that has it is likely to be laden with a lot of other hagiographic twaddle ("legendary", etc) to which you can apply your editorial machete. -- Hoary (talk) 00:33, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * is there a way that i can save this conversation somewhere for referring back to later? I know there is always a "view history", but sometimes that can be really hard to read through and find the information you want. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Iljhgtn, go into the history, find a version that you like, and copy its URL to your clipboard. Then go to the website tinyurl.com with it. You'll be invited to "Enter alias". Obvious aliases have already been bagged, and most characters are unusable (though hyphens are OK). In your place I'd first try "in-regards-to". Then you'll get a conveniently short and memorable link. (However, as it's a redirecting link, you won't be able to post it in a Wikipedia discussion, unless of course you obscure it with spaces or similar.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Or just use Wikimedia's own shortener m:Special:UrlShortener, instead of one from an external site. Other than that, can only agree with Hoary's comment about this being a very low-value way of improving the encyclopedia, assuming the change is even beneficial (something for which having consensus first would be a good idea). Mathglot (talk) 01:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * is a sensible fellow, but the page they point us to is inane. Quote: "The phrase in regard to is correct—no “-s.” Although in regards to is often used in casual speech, it is considered a nonstandard phrase." No mention there of who considers it so and on what grounds. ("Language experts", and "because of some 'rule' they read somewhere", I fear.) It continues: "In regard to can be considered wordy, so try using a more concise synonym" -- yes, agreed. But then it gives as an example rewriting "My question is in regard to the job listing" as "My question regards to is regarding the job listing". Uh ... I'm clapping with one hand. (Try "My question is about the job listing", or of course "I'm asking about the job listing"). -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC) Yet another typo corrected . (Sorry, Tagishsimon.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I can only see "My question is regarding the job listing." not "My question regards to the job listing". So. Odd. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Meh. It's not engvar. 'regard' is a noncount noun which does not take a plural. See also the ngram. Wiktionary is hopelessly unreliable, a dismal font of misinformation. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your link says the plural is "regards" and that "as regards" is formal usage, so I am not sure what your point is. RudolfRed (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Let me help you out, RudolfRed. Words can have a number of different senses, and different senses have different grammatical rules. Regard, in the sense of friendly greetings, can be pluralised. Regard, as in 'care or concern for someone or something', cannot. Regards, as in 'as regards', is a verb. There's no lack of clarity on that page, but I appreciate it'll require you to rejig your thinking, so, hard. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * "Regard, as in 'care or concern for someone or something', cannot [be pluralized]". Except that we have good evidence that, in in regards to, it can. Google reports that theguardian.com has five thousand tokens of "in regards to". The Guardian doesn't have the highest reputation for copyediting, and Google hit counts don't have the highest reputation for meaningfulness; so let's suppose that there are just one thousand tokens there of intentional "in regards to". I submit that, like the item or not, this is good evidence of grammaticality. (As for my personal taste, I don't much like either in regard to or in regards to, but merely on stylistic grounds.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Theguardian.com also has 340,000 hits for "seperate" according to Google, but that doesn't make it correct (even discounting their ranking algorithm which will include pages which don't even have that term on the page). Most of the misfires on separate are probably letter writers, and that may be the case with the search you executed as well. Mathglot (talk) 02:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * "In regard to" and "with regard to": Quoting Garner (2000): "The singular noun is correct. The plural form (as in with regards to and in regards to) is, to put it charitably, poor usage..." This is followed by three attestations of the plural form. This is followed by, "The acceptable forms are best used as introductory phrases. But even these may be advantageously replaced by a single word, such as concerning, regarding, or considering, or even in, about, or for. The plural regards is acceptable only in the phrase as regards." Bryan Garner spends nine column inches on this usage; Garner's Modern English Usage OUP (2000) p. 563–564. Mathglot (talk) 01:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

My page was rejected
I created page about The Centre for Community Actions for Peace and Development (CCAPAD) and it was declined

any help Saintnassi (talk) 18:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Saintnassi, the declining reviewer mentioned two things that were wrong with the draft. It is not adequately supported by reliable sources, and it has not been shown to be notable. Do you have any questions about that? Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 18:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Subsequently Speedy deleted by an Administrator. Cause as promotional/advertising. You could leave a message on the Talk page of the Admin who deleted it, to ask why. David notMD (talk) 02:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Do freedom of panorama rights extend to a grocery store?
I’d like to upload an image I took of an advertisement for white elephant gifts in a grocery store. Would freedom of panorama rights apply here? Thanks in advance. Slamforeman (talk) 01:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It depends on the country the photo was taken at. Since its an advertisement, it would fall under "2D art". I recommend seeing Freedom of panorama. Ca talk to me! 02:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Freedom of panorama has some info, it varies by country. Try asking at WP:MCQ along with more detail about your situation.   so it may depend on the definition on "artistic" as it applies to the ad.RudolfRed (talk) 02:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will be sure to ask there, if my question isn’t answered here. Thanks for the recommendation. :) Slamforeman (talk) 02:25, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . Freedom of panorama various from country so just based on what you've posted above it's near impossible to say. Moreover, freedom of panorama typically applies to physical structures (e.g. buidlings) or artworks publicly displayed outdoors (e.g. statues in parks); it can sometimes apply to interior photography or interior displays (e.g. museum exhibits, in-store displays), but it also depends on the copyright status of whatever is being published. If by "advertisement" you mean a poster or other printed material showing white elephants displayed inside a grocery store, then I would say that your best best would be to assume that it is protected by copyright as explained here, here and here. While it's true that the copyright of a photo is generally considered to be owned by the person who takes it, taking a photograph of someone's else copyrighted work is generally considered to be a WP:Derivative work, which means that the copyright status of the photographed work also needs to be considered. Since Wikipedia generally requires that the images uploaded to it be within the public domain or as unencumbered by copyright restrictions as possible, you would most likely need to get the WP:CONSENT from whoever created the advertisement for it to be OK to upload a photo of it to Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I believe this answers my question, but in case it might help, the image was taken in Texas, in the United States. It is a poster that contains text that says “GET YOUR WHITE ELEPHANT
 * GIFTS HERE! WHITE ELEPHANT
 * GIFT CENTER” and depicts two cartoon white elephants, one of which is in the top right corner, and the other is hidden behind some cartoon presents.
 * I doubt I would be able to contact the artist of the poster, because there was no contact information anywhere on the poster. Lastly, just to clarify, when I say white elephants gifts, I mean that the poster is advertising gifts for the white elephant gift exchange tradition.
 * Best wishes, Slamforeman (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , if the poster consisted of no more than short text in a common font, it almost certainly would not be copyright protected, as long as you attributed the source. However, you report that the poster includes "cartoon white elephants". That changes things. Original artwork is fully protected by copyright, usually for 95 years. Cullen328 (talk) 04:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, that is very helpful. Shame I can’t upload it, but I very much appreciate your help. Thank you. Slamforeman (talk) 04:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Can someone help me find a picture to use for my first Wiki page
I'm looking for an image of Erik Hansen who plays for the St. Louis Battlehawks that would be allowed on my Wiki page. The one I uploaded got taken down. Footballfan145 (talk) 01:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I hope that you now understand that you cannot upload copyrighted images, except under very narrow exceptions that do not apply here. I checked at Wikimedia Commons, and there are no photos of your football player there, although there are several photos of Erik Hansen (canoeist) who won several Olympic medals in the 1960s. I added one of those photos to the biography of the canoeist. You can go to a football game or a media opportunity and take a photo yourself. Or you can contact Hansen himself or the team, asking for a freely licensed photo. You can find more information at Requesting copyright permission. Please be aware that this is a transaction with legal implications, and so it must be done correctly. Cullen328 (talk) 03:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have a photo from Hansen, how can I upload it? Footballfan145 (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Footballfan145: There is detailed information concerns the steps to upload the photo at Requesting copyright permission. GoingBatty (talk) 05:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT
On the ChatGPT Wiki it says it was based off of gpt4, gpt4 was created later wasnt it? MrAlolanMeowth (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, . This forum is for help regarding editing Wikipedia, especially for new editors. Please ask other questions at the reference desk. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Specific questions about articles may be asked at their talk page, such as Talk:ChatGPT. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  22:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not really, Novo Tape. WP:Talk page guidelines says Talk pages are for discussing the article, not for general conversation about the article's subject (much less other subjects). Keep discussions focused on how to improve the article. Comments that are plainly irrelevant are subject to archiving or removal. ColinFine (talk) 22:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine: If the user is viewing the Wikipedia article ChatGPT and is concerned about a sentence such as "ChatGPT is built upon either GPT-3.5 or GPT-4", isn't it appropriate to discuss it at Talk:ChatGPT? GoingBatty (talk) 05:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Remove Tag
Hi, please help me with removing the tag from my article. I cannot remove it by myselfe as I am the main contributor to the article. Thanks.

Lanka Bandaranayake Gabriel2954 (talk) 05:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * erm, yes, that's why the tag is there. ltb d l (talk) 05:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding languages to an article
Hi, if I've created an article, and it already exists in other languages, what's the easiest way to display them on top of that article?

When I click on the 'Add languages' button on the top right, it gives me an option to translate the page or configure languages, but there isn't an option to link it to the existing articles (or I'm missing something here.

TIA. UMStellify (talk) 06:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @UMStellify The languages is a feature supported through Wikidata. To add the enwiki article to an existing group of articles, you will have to find the correct Wikidata entry. What you can do is to go wikidata.org and search for the corresponding entry. I see that one of the recent articles you have created is Ivana Sajko, searching wikidata yields d:Q10971609 from which you can add the enwiki entry at the Wikipedia box in the sidebar. You can also access the Wikidata item from the articles in the other wikis, just find the 'Wikidata item' link in the sidebar. – robertsky (talk) 07:31, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool. It worked. Thank you so much. UMStellify (talk) 07:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

AFD went wrong
Hello Everyone,

I just marked a page for afd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rizwan_Sajan_(2nd_nomination). I am not aware what went wrong with this, but it is nit as per Wikipedia rules. For now i removed the tag from page. Can anyone fix this? My apologies for this done by mistake. DJ InstaMalik (talk) 12:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Taken care of. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

community on web
Do people edit articles to be intentionally wrong? Or is there a community trust on this site? Olivia.eckert.m (talk) 06:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your first question, Olivia.eckert.m: Yes, unfortunately, some people do. The activity is called "vandalism". As for your second question, please explain what you mean by "community trust". -- Hoary (talk) 08:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Olivia.eckert.m Unconstructive edits can simply be reverted.
 * Adding or changing content requires stating reliable sources per WP:PROVEIT. That reduces the addition of wrong content massively.
 * Edits of inexperienced users are checked. Edits of experienced users are not patrolled, still might be challenged by 'normal' users. WikiPate (talk) 08:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Olivia.eckert.m There is useful guidance here. Wikipedia works because it has lots of editors and usually ends up with the wisdom of crowds. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

IP autoblock
I've been trying to edit Wikipedia, but it seems that my IP is blocked. I currently have no other alternatives. What do I do? Davest3r08 > : ) ( t a l k )  13:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It just comes and leaves. I open the editor, and at some random point during editing, it just tells me that my IP is blocked and I can't edit. — Davest3r08 > : )  ( t a l k )  13:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, you should get a WP:IPBE, or contact to the blocking admin to see if a IP block is still warranted. Ca talk to me! 13:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Knock_More_transmitting_stationPage
please can I have some help with my submission, I feel I have used plenty of reliable sources, including government websites, specialist industry websites, as well as long standing hobbyist information, which is verifiable. A similar page to the one I have drafted uses the same/similar sources, and I do not understand why my draft is being rejected, when it compares with existing pages on the same subject area. Please see existing page Craigkelly transmitting station - Wikipedia for an example Bigbossdol (talk) 13:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * . Linked to the draft. 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 13:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree. Promoted to Knock More transmitting station. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Difficulty with the Annotated link template
I have difficulty with the "anl" template (Template:Annotated link) when I use it for "drug-eluting stent".



It gives me the following: drug-eluting stent – Artery of the coronary circulation which transports blood into and out of the cardiac muscle

However, the description is wrong, it took "Artery of the coronary circulation which transports blood into and out of the cardiac muscle" from another wikidata item, it should have taken the description "a medical stent that releases drug that inhibits cellular growth into the stented area".

When you go to drug-eluting stent and then click a link to wikidata item, you will get to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3973120 that does not have this description. Why it did not take description from correct wikidata item?

For the other items, the "anl" template works correctly. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 13:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The Drug-eluting stent article has two short descriptions. First one at the top, as normal. The second is below the Clinical indications for use header & that's where the template is pulling the description from. (adl pulls from a short description in the article, and from WD only if there is no short description in the article.) --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, I didn't notice the two short descriptions, i.e. the second one! Thank you very much for your help! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * After I removed these two descriptions, it became fine! Thank you for your help again in the Teahouse! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 14:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Knowing
I have a question to know that (The Daily Rudrabangla) how this article was viewed and accepted. I did not see any relevant source.Thank you. EngrShakamal (talk) 14:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * EngrShakamal it was created about 7 hours ago through the Articles for Creation process. If you want to know why it was accepted, you should ask WikiOriginal-9, the accepting reviewer. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 14:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not see any relevant source to be used and no national news portal. Well, thanks.EngrShakamal (talk) 14:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Deleting my biography
Hello, there is a wikipedia page about me that is obsolete and I would like to delete it. I have just retired and no longer want or need a profile on wikipedia. How can I delete it? My name is Ephraim Heller. Thank you! 65.117.64.8 (talk) 15:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Ephraim Heller. David notMD (talk) 15:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has articles, not profiles. The article in question was created in 2012. If you are in fact Ephraim Heller, the fact that you have retired has no relevance to your Wikipedia notability. David notMD (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure it ever met policy, though. Valereee (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've prodded for GNG Valereee (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It has been proposed for deletion. My opinion is that the article, although dated, meets Wikipedia notability, but I am not going to oppose the deletion. If no one else opposes, if should be removed in a week. David notMD (talk) 16:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I removed the PROD and created a proper deletion discussion, since there's already an informal deletion discussion happening here. Anyone is welcome to comment in the discussion, giving reasons why they believe the article should be kept or deleted, or can propose some other outcome such as merging and/or redirect the article's content to a related article. Thank you. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Interwiki and sister link
Hi. How to make in en wikipedia link to polish wikibooks ? I have tried to make a link to Programowanie_w_systemie_UNIX/plplot. TIA. Soul surfer (talk) 10:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Soul windsurfer, and welcome to the teahouse! You can link to other projects like this:, which produces: Programowanie_w_systemie_UNIX/plplot. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 11:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thx Maddy from Celeste. It works. Is it also possible to make it using tempate ? Soul surfer (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is something different, and looks like this: -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 15:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at the documentation for Template:Wikibooks, it appears the template does not support linking to another language. GoingBatty (talk) 17:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Does a user get a notification ...?
Hey,

Does a user get a notification if I click on "edit" on the user's talk page and include  that looks like this: ?

Assumed the user has the standard non-changed notification settings. Or does the user only get a notification if i click on "add a topic" or "reply" on the user's talk page when i include this template?

Kind regards WikiPate (talk) 06:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * With normal notification permissions, yes, they do. Happy editing! -- LemonSlushie 🍋 (talk) (edits) 08:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia @WikiPate! In addition to what LemonSlushie said, it’s important to note that IP addresses cannot receive notifications and have to manually check their talk page for messages. Dont hesitate to contact us with any further questions. Thanks and happy editing! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Illusion Flame@LemonSlushie
 * thanks! Could it be that for receiving a notification, this template is not needed at all on a users talk page, if the user has "Edit to my user talk page" enabled in the users notifications preferences?
 * It looks like a user gets a notification for every edit on their talk page independently of using any templates.
 * For receiving a notificaton this template seems only to be necessary for conversations outside of a users talk page. WikiPate (talk) 17:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @WikiPate: Agreed - it's not necessary to use reply to to notify a user about a post on their own user talk page. Some users post their notification preferences on the top of their user talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 17:40, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @WikiPate: If you go to, you'll notice that the checkmark for receiving web notifications for edits made to one's talk page cannot be toggled off, so that any edit (including reversions) will be noted as an alert item with the [[file:Echo edit-user-talk icon.svg|link=]] icon under the [[file:OOjs UI icon bell.svg|link=]] icon at the top of the page.Users can also receive notifications under the [[file:OOjs UI icon tray.svg|link=]] icon without being pinged, but that's only for discussions that they're subscribed to. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Does Draft:Merrick McCartha meet WP:NACTOR?
Surprised I could not find more on them for the work they've done, but it does look like they meet the minimum requirements for WP:NACTOR. I would like further opinions though. Filmforme (talk) 19:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Filmforme: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest starting a conversation at Draft talk:Merrick McCartha detailing how he meets the minimum requirements for WP:NACTOR.  Invite the editors who declined the draft to join the conversation (and maybe some Teahouse editors will join too).  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft Patrick Rampelotto
Hi, I experienced a third negative review of my draft. The last reviewer didn’t leave any comment and did not reply to my questions. I am wondering, since my subject does meet four criteria of notability, why my draft still needs additional sources. It is very difficult to know as unreliable but they do appear on another serious Wikipedia page ( on th Museum of Applied Arts of Vienna) so I don’t understand why they are not accepted on my draft. Could you please help me with this issue? I have a ph.D. and I am used to very strict, clear and transparent rules for sources reliability. Here, I feel left in the dark. Especially, I feel that the books quoted (not available online) are not considered as reliable. Although they are actually more serious sources. Thank you very much for your help Catherine Lemieux (talk) 14:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Catherine Lemieux if the declining reviewer did not leave a comment, then you should ask them why. In this case it was Vanderwaalforces. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 15:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I already asked Vanderwaalforces on my talk page, on his talk page, and I got no answer. Catherine Lemieux (talk) 15:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your note to Vanderwallforces was posted earlier today. Be patient. David notMD (talk) 15:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I also wrote yesterday, but only on my own talk page. But thanks, I will be patient. Catherine Lemieux (talk) 15:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Catherine, I've pinged you to the draft talk. Valereee (talk) 16:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Catherine Lemieux just a note, if you are responding to on your talk page, chances are that they may not see your additions to your own talk page as they may not have receive a notification or seen your talk page on their Watchlist, which can be quite a busy one. In the future, you can notify a registered editor by linking their username in your reply. If you are using the Reply Tool, an "@" will trigger a dropdown list of editors from which you can search the editor's username from.
 * Alternatively, you can "mention" a user, i.e. Example by making an edit with a link to their user page (writing User:Example , ,  ,  ,  ,  , or  ) and signing the edit using four tildes (~). The user "Example" will then get a notification saying where they were mentioned. See Help:Notifications for more info. – robertsky (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the tip Catherine Lemieux (talk) 17:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Had a similar experience until I had to leave a Whisperback at their talk page to get a response. Jeraxmoira (talk) 20:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for letting me know. Another editor jumped in, so I’ll wait for her response and will insist if need be. Best, Catherine Lemieux (talk) 23:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Removing old page from the wayback machine
Good afternoon, I am trying to get old social media pages taken down by the wayback machine on internet archive. They arent offensive in any way, just embarassing because I was much younger when I made those accounts.

I emailed them a few days ago but I haven't heard back yet. I am not sure if they got it or if it went to spam.

Has anyone had any luck getting old tweets or other social media posts taken down?

Any advice would be incredibly helpful, thank you! 2601:41:C280:2C50:B5EF:EF43:94B1:43D7 (talk) 01:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This page is for questions about Wikipedia. You will need to continue to try and contact the Wayback Machine/IA directly to get help.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source?
https://cept.ac.in/archives/news/digital-archives-of-goan-architect-bruno-souza LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * IMO, yes. University publications are normally accorded the respect owed to academe. --Tagishsimon (talk)


 * Tagishsimon is right about reliability; but university news reports are usually about people and projects associated with the university. In considering whether to cite such a report, you need to think about whether it is being used to support information about something or somebody at the university (in which case it is probably not independent). ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm finding it challenging to locate references about him. I'll remain vigilant for anything that appears not to be independent. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 04:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Is this appropriate in an article?
An article about a relatively small German art exhibition has a large section filled with tables detailing the exhibitions finances? And another section detailing the names of every administration person involved. This seems like excess detail that isn't covered in an independent/secondary source.

Can any editors take a look? I'm not actually sure what guideline to cite when removing. Zenomonoz (talk) 07:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Have reliable sources called this art exhibition a, or is that your own personal interpretation? The amount of detail to be included in an article about a "small" topic is not objectively quantifiable. All that detail needs to be verified, neutral and not undue. What is or is not undue is decided by policy-based discussions on the talk page of the relevant article, which is Talk: Freie Berliner Kunstausstellung. That is the first and best place to discuss the content dispute. Please start there. Cullen328 (talk) 07:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I wrote the article in deWP, translated it and put the translation to enWP. It was worldwide the biggest art exhibition without curators on Messe Berlin. The asking man has special reasons for deleting as much as he can from articles I contributed. The conflict with him began in deWP where he was infinitly blocked yesterday. Andrea014 (talk) 07:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm after looking, Wikipedia guidelines actually do suggest against WP:INDISCRIMINATE detail, especially when they are from non-independent sources. Sure, it can take place on the talk page but teahouse is where you go when you're unsure about the guidelines. Looks like I've found it myself. Zenomonoz (talk) 07:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Zenomonoz, WP:ABOUTSELF may also be relevant. We are not here to replicate an org's own publications. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Given the dispute between the two editors (cf. AIV: Zenomonoz reported by Andrea014) my very strong advice to Zenomonoz is that they should walk away from the Freie Berliner Kunstausstellung article (and any other work done by Andrea014), because their criticism of such work looks like bad faith. If there is an issue with the tables in that article, some uninvolved editor will, sometime, come across them and deal with them. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:25, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, this was resolved. For passing editors: Ive volunteered to not edit the page. Cheers. Zenomonoz (talk) 14:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you!
 * It really is not possible to understand the conflict and my bad faith if you do not know its beginning in the German Wikipedia where Zenomonoz was blocked infinitly. Updated link to conflict management. Andrea014 (talk) 08:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Citing an online dissertation
Hello. I need to cite a dissertation I found online. I've found Template:Cite thesis but when I insert the template into a page, it just inserts the text into the body of the article, instead of creating a cited reference. You can see it at Roland Arpin under the section "Later career" immediately after "Arpin later said:" Where am I going wrong? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 08:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Oona Wikiwalker If you're using Visual Editor, type "<ref" in. It will automatically bring up a sub-menu of sorts for adding citations. Go to the "Manual" tab, click "Basic" and then add the "Cite thesis" template to the text box which pops up.
 * If you're using Source Editor, enclose the template with a " " at the end.
 * I have made it a cited reference for you. WritingAboutCreepypastas (talk) 08:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

formal tone
My article was rejected and one of the reasons given was that was not written in a formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. I believe that it meets that critera; this seems to be a subjective statement and I don't know exactly what I need to change.

I should note that my exact article was picked up and published verbatim on Wikitia.

Could someone please advise? thank you. RuthPres (talk) 21:24, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * All things aside, if you have published the same text on some other site (which does exist, see https://wikitia.com/wiki/Tony_Kenning ), publishing the same text on Wikipedia may constitute as a WP:Copyright violation.
 * Please also note that publishing on Wikitia does not mean anything for Wikipedia quality control. Do note that Wikitia is listed on Spam blacklist. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I did not publish the article on Wikitia; someone found my draft on this site and published it there without my knowledge or permission to do so. RuthPres (talk) 21:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for clarifying. That is quite unfortunate... Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you have any suggestions for what I need to change in order to resubmit my article? RuthPres (talk) 21:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikitia has nothing to do with Wikipedia, but anyone is allowed to copy from Wikipedia as long as they acknowledge the source. RudolfRed (talk) 21:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * OK thank you. Understand that this has no bearing on the situation, which is what I need to do to improve my article to meet criteria that I'm finding subjective and difficult to follow. Do you have any suggestions? RuthPres (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In a few words, your draft gives too much tangential detail that does not strongly relate to the subject, which is Tony Kenning. Currently, there are many statements that don't relate to Kenning at all, such as After fronting for bands including Nemesis and Wild Mcbride, vocalist Paul Banks was the last member to sign on. Instead of writing about the bands Kenning was involved in, you should really be focusing on what Kenning was doing at what year at what place.
 * It is generally not encouraged for new users to create an article immediately. I encourage you to practice editing and read some more Wiki biographies before you decide to write something.
 * Your reviewer also wrote that This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Please make sure you read WP:Reliable sources. For example, the first source you use is from Linkedin, which does not count as an RS.
 * My suggestion for you is to evaluate what reliable sources you have, and condensate sentences from them. That means a lot of this article needs to be reworked. Good luck and have fun. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 21:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for your feedback! RuthPres (talk) 21:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My suggestion for you is to evaluate what reliable sources you have, and condensate sentences from them. That means a lot of this article needs to be reworked. Good luck and have fun. Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 21:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for your feedback! RuthPres (talk) 21:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)


 * RuthPres, consider this: This strikes me as terribly wordy. Try  -- Hoary (talk) 09:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for your feedback. I have made additional edit and also double checked all citations but have once again been rejected. I have spent almost a year on trying to meet the criteria for Wikipedia and now realize that that is just not possible with this submission. RuthPres (talk) 22:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You are free to abandon the draft if you wish. If there is no editing action it will be deleted in six months. A nuance: Declined (the response) is not the same as Rejected. The latter means that the Reviewer saw no potential to succeed. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

My edit shows up in my log but not when I access the article.
The article I edited is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha,_Pierre_%26_The_Great_Comet_of_1812. I added the regional staging in Atlanta in November 2023. The edit shows up in the history as being done on November 10. But the edit doesn't show in the actual article. What am I doing wrong or not doing?! AtlantaAH (talk) 01:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like it was reverted by another editor with the summary of "No inline URLs and the theatre has no Wikipedia article". You should discuss it on the article's talk page.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've re-added it. user:Ponsonby100's removal was rather WP:POINTY. The addition should not have had an inline external link (which might have been removed leaving the underlying sentence in place), but the idea that "has no Wikipedia article" has any bearing on whether or not to keep the sentence is fallacious. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . If you take a look at the page history for Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812, you see that the edit you made was undone the following day by another editor named, who left an edit summary stating "No inline URLs and the theatre has no Wikipedia article" explaining why they undid your edit. External links (links to websites outside of Wikipedia) are generally not allowed to be embedded into the bodies Wikipedia articles as explained here and here; moreover, Wikipedia articles aren't intended to include all information available about a subject as explained here. An article about a play, for example, might include content about various productions of the play, but these are probably going to be limited to only those productions performed by groups or performed at venues considered to be Wikipedia notable. My guess is that Ponsonby100 felt that the Horizon Theatre Company did not meet the criteria for being mentioned in Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812 and thus removed any mention of it. If you'd like further clarification of this, you may start a discussion about the removal at Talk:Natasha, Pierre & The Great Comet of 1812 since article talk pages a typically the best place to discuss edits made to articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the time and attention you gave this. I appreciate the feedback and information. AtlantaAH (talk) 11:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Update the Article
In my current article, I need to update the information because the current information is incomplete. Can you guide me on how to update the information and when the correct information will be reflected? Tusharsharma1011 (talk) 05:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * hi @Tusharsharma1011 and welcome to the Teahouse! you have no previous edits; which article are you referring to? &#128156; melecie   talk  - 06:24, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I need to make changes to the information on the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmia_Group, as it is incorrect. Can you please guide me on how to do this? Tusharsharma1011 (talk) 06:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , why do you need to make changes? Are you associated with the subject? Maproom (talk) 08:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Yes, I have taken over the charge for it, and I am directly associated with the organization." Tusharsharma1011 (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , then you have a conflict of interest. You should declare this on your user page, and not edit the article yourself. If you want changes made to the article, you should detail them on its talk page, preferably giving references, and hope that some impartial editor will make them. Maproom (talk) 11:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Translation
Hey! I have translated an article from Hindi Wikipedia (लाला हनुमन्त सहाय) about a great Indian freedom fighter Lala Hanumant Sahay. The draft is this - Lala Hanumant Sahay. How can I submit this translation draft? Please guide me! TheProEditor11 (talk) 12:13, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @TheProEditor11 There are two problems. The main one is that your draft cites no sources, which on the English Wikipedia is an immediate "fail" because we insist by policy that readers be able to verify what is written. The second is that you have not followed the guidance at WP:TRANSLATE which says that you must credit the original source. You can do that now by an edit summary or a comment on the draft's Talk Page. Submission is easy: there is a big blue button at the top of the draft to do that: but ensure you resolve the issues I've mentioned first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

What can I do to edit on restricted pages?
Can someone tell me how this works? is it like you can do edits but before there set in stone one of the qualified users has to make sure it's not some toll edit? if so how can I became one of the qualified users? External Links Library (talk) 05:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . Wikipedia pages are protected for a variety of reasons. When you try to edit such a page, you should see the reason why it has been protected in a pink box near the top of the page and the type of protection being applied. There's also a table in at WP:PP that further clarifies how page protection works. Now, if you're still unable to figure things out after looking at that table, post the name of the page you want to edit here at the Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In short, to edit Semi-protected articles, you would require an account that is at least four days old and have made at least ten edits. For Extended confirmed protected articles, account needs to be 30 days old and have made at least 500 edits Jeraxmoira (talk) 06:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @External Links Library: If you'd like to make a change to a protected page, you can post your request on the article's talk page, using the SPER, EPER, or FPER for semi-, edit-confirmed, or fully-protected pages, respectively. GoingBatty (talk) 06:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @External Links Library Just to clarify: all Wikipedia editors are considered equally qualified and we assume good faith. However, some articles do get vandalised, which is by definition malicious, and the protection is to help prevent that. Unfortunately, it sometimes has the side-effect of making it more difficult for editors with fewer edit-counts and history here to make contributions but everyone can suggest improvements via the article's Talk Page, whether using the specific templates or just as a new comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Submit for review
Hi there, just made an article draft, now want to submit it for review, but can't find any control / link / button for that? Please advise. Draft is here just in case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Andrey_Velikanov Thanks in advance for your help. Zanziver (talk) 12:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, @Zanziver! I've added the template with the button for submitting the draft. Happy editing! -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 12:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Maddy! Zanziver (talk) 22:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Zanziver Don't submit your draft yet, or it will be rapidly declined. It does not comply with our policy on biographies which requires that all facts are backed up by inline citations to reliable sources. From a brief look at the sources you do supply, most are by Velikanov himself. We need several that are about him (see this advice) to demonstrate his wikinotability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We're talking here about Draft:Andrey Velikanov but we also have Draft:Andrey Velikánov. Both appear to have been started by User:Kol Lydia a few months ago, and who has been inactive since that time. Best to merge them to make sure we have all content in one place as the best, most-advanced version for continued editing. DMacks (talk) 19:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my version is coming from Lidiya, it is the most recent one. Zanziver (talk) 22:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Michael, thanks a lot for the feedback! Sadly I submitted before reading your reply. There are many sources which are not online and not in web archive, so we used saved PDFs. Zanziver (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Zanziver You can continue to edit draft articles while they are waiting for review, although I note that Draft:Andrey Velikanov is currently declined because of all the external links. Sources do not need to be online (see WP:OFFLINE) provided they have been published by a reliable source. In listing his publications, you don't need to link to actual copies but just need full biographical details formatted in the templates cite book and cite journal etc. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

how to add my business detail to Wikipedia
hi friends, i am new here, can someone help me with how to add my business detail to Wikipedia, (how to list it on Wikipedia). thanks in advance. Sajjadnoorwala (talk) 14:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Sajjadnoorwala, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a web host for your company. It is not a place to advertise for it, either. —asparagusus   (interaction)  sprouts!  14:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There are billions of people on the planet and millions of companies. Most do not have articles about them here on Wikipedia because they are not wikinotable. You have a clear conflict of interest in trying to promote your business here and while it is not prohibited that you create a draft (via WP:AfC) you must follow the mandatory disclosure laid out at WP:PAID. It will be difficult for you to write an acceptable draft, not least since you have no experience of writing on Wikipedia. Also it might not be a good idea. Please read carefully the information at the links we have provided. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Sajjadnoorwala. Like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. If there are enough reliable independent sources about your business to base an article on (in Wikipedia jargon, if your business is notable), then somebody could write that article. If there are not, then no article is possible.
 * If an article is written, it will not belong to you, it will not necesarily say what you want it to say, and it should be based almost entirely on what those independent sources say about your business (bad as well as good), not on what you say or want to say. See WP:PROUD. ColinFine (talk) 15:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks 58.65.217.24 (talk) 16:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Referencing part of article in talk page
Hi, how do I reference part of an article in a talk page? Specifically, if I wanted to reference a particular heading of an article, how would I do that? Thanks. ThatJoshuaPerson (talk) 17:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @ThatJoshuaPerson. You can do Your article . Hope that helps NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 17:07, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks. ThatJoshuaPerson (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)