Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1207

Article move
Hi, I am here after the person who closed the move did not perform any move but mentioned that the move was performed. here. I have also approched the person on his talk page but there is no response yet here. What is the right approch to revert the move since the user that performed the move in the first place did not follow the consistency as discussed on the respective Wikiproject and the same was notified by another user to him. here for the actual move of the page:[|here] 456legend (talk) 08:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Also this:here, where the original mover did not provide a reasonable justification for the move. 456legend (talk) 09:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . Sometimes there is a technical issue which prevents a page being moved and some extra work is needed, or sometimes the person who closes later finds a reason that the move shouldn't be performed, although they should explain why in that situation. Or sometimes we just get distracted or make mistakes. I've asked BilledMammal to clarify, and if they still don't reply then I will perform the move myself later today.
 * In the future, this should qualify as an uncontroversial technical request, and you can ask for someone to perform the move at WP:RM/TR. Thanks. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ivanvector okay and thank you very much for the detailed insight. 456legend (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Stale time?
Hi, I am here after I have made a request on the administratior intervention against vandalism and my request was not addressed instead it was removed providing a reason as in [|Here] what does this mean? 456legend (talk) 18:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Reports that no administrators have acted on are automatically removed after several hours – since nobody responded to yours it was removed. AIV is for obvious vandals and spammers only, which from what I can see is not the case here – consider taking the matter to WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Tollens (talk) 18:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * okay sure thanks for this. 456legend (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Original Research or not?
I am currently working on my first article about a musical group (they do not have a wiki page).

First of all, I was able to organize an informal interview with this group and gathered information about the group themselves. Given that this information is unpublished (note that I do have all the evidence and messages we sent to each other), I was wondering if this would come under original research, and if it did, is there any way to not break this rule without having to publish this? AGB.Music (talk) 08:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles merely collate published information. Original research will not be accepted. Please read WP:YFA and WP:42. Shantavira|feed me 09:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Would publishing this information online (with the evidence) allow me to use this? AGB.Music (talk) 09:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, because you posting it online somewhere would still be original research. If a third party conducts an interview and publishes it in a reputable magazine with editoral control and fact checking, that might be possible to use, but interviews do not contribute to notability(though they can be used for other purposes), because they are not an independent source about themselves.
 * What is your connection to this group to be able to interview them? 331dot (talk) 09:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, what is this connection of yours that allows them to use for their publicity the photograph of them that you say is your own work? -- Hoary (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not connecting in any means to them. I said "informal interview", I was simply able ask them questions personally. AGB.Music (talk) 10:13, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So you just walked up to them and started asking them questions? 331dot (talk) 10:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Over the internet through their verified social media AGB.Music (talk) 10:24, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @AGB.Music Are you saying it is mere coincidence that your image is the same as one the group use on spotify? Irrespective of that, you can't use unpublished information you obtained via the internet, as no-one can verify what was said, a core Wikipedia policy. You must rely on these sorts of sources and pass the threshold of wikinotability. General advice for your Draft:Sentinel (DJ) is here and here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No it is not a mere coincidence, I have realized what I have done and feel pretty stupid (sorry I'm still learning). I'm going to rework the article so that it only contains information from published and citable sources. I actually don't have permission to use that picture, so I will be removing that too. Sorry for bothering you all, will make sure this won't happen again. AGB.Music (talk) 13:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @AGB.Music: I have nominated commons:File:SentinelTrioProfile.jpg for deletion for you. GoingBatty (talk) 17:05, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @AGB.Music: Welcome to the Teahouse! In addition to the recommendations given above, please review Wikipedia's criteria for the inclusion of musical acts, called "notability", at WP:MUSICBIO.  If the group doesn't meet any of the criteria detailed there, then the draft will not be accepted. GoingBatty (talk) 17:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, AGB Music. I'm afraid you are having what is a common experience for new editors who plunge into the challenging task of creating a new article before they have learnt much about how Wikipedia works. My advice is always to spend a few weeks or months learning this by making improvements to existing article, starting small and working up to the most important part which is finding and citing sources, before trying to create an article. I liken it to buying a violin and going out busking on the street the next day - you are not likely to have an enjoyable time. (I realise that you have been here a few months, but you had only made half a dozen edits before you created Draft:Sentinel (DJ), so I stand by that advice).
 * Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Almost nothing that comes from the group (whether from their own website, or from interviews or press releases) is relevant to an article about them. And no unpublished information from any source can be used in any Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 19:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Trying to create a business page for a company please help or get me started
I’m. Trying to create a page for a company that I see referenced a few times. It’s like the standard company pages you see for any company like meta, Eaton or the nBa. I’m really new to this but found lots of sources and content. Could someone help build this? It’s a big miss this page doesn’t exist for nVent Electric plc. I saw them at a super computing trade show last week and just discovered them

someone please help take this on and get a draft started for me. This is hard for someone new ElecAp2018 (talk) 12:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * First, Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not author or co-author. Second, I see you have created a very short draft at Draft:NVent Electric plc, submitted it and had it declined. The refs are insufficient to determine if the company is Wikipedia notable. See WP:NCORP for guide for articles about companies, and WP:42 for what constitues good references. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @ElecAp2018: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're not interested in creating the draft, you can ask in the appropriate section of Requested articles, but there's no guarantee that any of the volunteer editors will be interested in creating it. GoingBatty (talk) 16:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, ElecAp2018. and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Yes, it is indeed hard for someone new, which is why I always advise new editors to spend a few months making improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before they even try it.
 * When you have acquired an understanding of referencing notability, and acceptable sources, you can read WP:YFA and go ahead and try it.
 * I must ask: do you have a connection with the company? When a new editor immediately starts creating an article, and works on nothing else, this is often the case. If you have a connection, you should read about editing with a conflict of interest. Further, if you are in anyway employed or paid by the company (even if working on this article is not part of your job), then you must read about paid editing and make the mandatory paid editing disclosure.
 * Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. ColinFine (talk) 19:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Rename page: Spark arrestor -> Spark arrester
The most common name for the device described at Spark arrestor is "Spark arrester"

The article has all the correct usage, but the title is incorrect The page cannot be renamed since an incorrect rename is already in place.

How do I request someone with page renamer rights to fix this?

(And also answer the 2011 request in Talk:spark arrestor to fix it). Remaker (talk) 23:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * According to whom? I get 3.1M ghits for the first, 1.3M ghits for the second. Requested moves would be the place, were there a move worth doing. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The Merriam-Webster Dictionary only recognizes Spark arrster. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spark%20arrester. it is also the preferred spelling in government documents like https://www.fs.usda.gov/t-d/pubs/html/03511307/03511307.htm and https://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/12/title12sec9601.html Remaker (talk) 20:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also you might want to take a look at this section of the naming conventions; titles should use sentence case (not capitalized unless first letter or capitalized in regular text). 2NumForIce  on The Go 23:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * forgot to ping: @Remaker 2NumForIce  on The Go 23:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip @2NumForIce on The Go Remaker (talk) 20:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

just create page
hi AJIT30071990 (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @AJIT30071990: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to your Draft:Ajit kumar singh?  Based on your user name, I'm presuming you are writing about yourself, which is highly discouraged on Wikipedia (see WP:AUTO).  Wikipedia articles are based on multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, which must meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability".  There are many other ways you can contribute to Wikipedia besides creating an article.  Visit Help:Introduction to learn how to edit, and then the Task center to find where you can help.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

The draft Ajit has very little content - one sentence - and no references. It has been Rejected. You also submitted Draft:ScopeMaster, which was created by someone else. Do not do that, as it is very impolite. David notMD (talk) 20:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

DYK Nomination
So I've promoted Only Up! to GA status, and I've nominated it for the DYK section on the Main Page. I tried adding it to the prep area, but my edit was undone because the nomination needed to be closed. I'm not sure if you can close it yourself or if you need somebody else to do so. Thanks, Tarantula TM  (speak with me) (my legacy) 15:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I believe the idea is that someone other than you will close the nom and add it to the prep area. Sohom (talk) 20:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia updates alert and notification status in a web browser while the browser is idle with a Wikipedia page open?
I use Firefox for Windows and I have alerts and notifications configured. Still, Wikipedia only shows me alert and notification updates when I refresh a page or open a new page or do some action that updates a page, such as navigation or editing. While a wikipedia page is just open and the browser is running idle, no new alerts appear (until I refresh a page). I expected it to periodically check notifications such as via a javascript. Does Wikipedia update alert and notification status in a web browser while the browser is idle with a Wikipedia page open? Please share your experience. I read the documentation about alerts and notifications and didn't receive a reply to this question. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 06:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * From my experience, on chrome/ windows, I don't think it updates automatically unless we refresh the page. I do receive an email for alerts and notification though. Only the recent changes tab has the live updates option as far as I know. Cheers <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 06:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The Your alerts and Your notices button located on the top right, after your username, does refresh when you click on it. I checked it now when Tenryuu replied here. This means that you don't have to refresh the page but just click on those buttons to get the alerts and notifications updated! Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Maxim Masiutin: As far as I can tell, there's no option to perform live updates for alerts and notifications, and I personally don't see a need for a tab on Wikipedia to hog more memory than it needs to. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Maxim Masiutin Alerts and notifications don't automatically update on a tab but Special:watchlist can be configured to give live updates, with the message "View new changes since [timestamp]". I think that this behaviour is the default for the watchlist. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I found a plugin for Firefox that refreshes a page with indicated frequency, so now I can see a notification after page refresh by the plugin. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

New User
Hello, I created this account and the screen that appeared told me that I could ask any questions here. What are some rules and tips for new users editing Wikipedia? 84Swagahh (talk) 02:11, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, @84Swagahh. I would start with Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. These will help explain our core policies and how to use parts of the software. If you feel up to the task, you can find out how to make an article at Your first article Happy editing, NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 02:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * New editors are advised to put in weeks to months improving existing articles before attempting to create new articles. See WP:42 for how to properly reference content. Adding content without references or removing referenced content you believe to be not true will be reverted (reversed) by other editors. David notMD (talk) 07:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Advised, but they don't have to. My first edits were writing draft articles. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 23:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, 84Swagahh, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
 * I agree with what the others have said, except for one thing: 's advice seems to start from the idea that what everybody who edits Wikipedia wants do is create new articles. Maybe you will (in which case take David's advice to heart), maybe you won't. But please don't think that that is the only, or even necessarily the best, way to improve Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think David notMD was responding to @NightWolf1223's advice, not to the original poster. We really shouldn't be recommending to anyone with 3 edits that "If you feel up to the task, you can find out how to make an article at Your first article." Valereee (talk) 10:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

General advice
Hi teahouse!,

I recently created an article and it was accepted, I was wondering if you could go over it and tell me how to improve it.

1970 Berrechid, Morocco crash

Thanks! Geardona (talk) 15:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I would encourage you to give it a review looking specifically for missing or duplicated punctuation. The page should likely be moved to 1970 Berrechid, Morocco, crash with the extra MOS:GEOCOMMA, and that phrase fixed in a few other places. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Geardona (talk) 15:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Geardona Wouldn't Berrechid crash be simpler and in line with guidance at WP:AT? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Most likely, although the current name was implemented by the AFC reviewer so I am not going to overrule them. I might look for consensus to move it to that. Geardona (talk) 15:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Geardona: Welcome to the Teahouse, and congratulations on your article being accepted! I tweaked the punctuation and a reference, and added some categories.  The article has a orphan template at the top, which you can resolve by adding links from other articles to 1970 Berrechid, Morocco crash.  I see there's a link from Sud Aviation Caravelle to your article, which is a good start.  You might want to consider adding information and links from Berrechid and 1970 in aviation.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I moved it to 1970 Berrechid crash. DS (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Geardona (talk) 00:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Infobox
Hello, I have been trying to remove alternative dance from the infobox for Mysterious Ways but it messes up the infobox. Can someone explain what I am doing wrong? 2601:806:8200:ECF0:5E3:3020:D0F2:5A01 (talk) 02:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The reason for removing alternative dance from the infobox is because Allmusic does not mention alternative dance. 2601:806:8200:ECF0:5E3:3020:D0F2:5A01 (talk) 02:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You removed the closing of the genre template, which broke the infobox template (diff). This was all that needed to be removed (diff). --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. Your edits were removing the reference as well at the closing curly brackets that are necessary for that template to work correctly. Cullen328 (talk) 02:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You really should get consensus for this on the article talk page before you do an edit like that, though. Bimplescub (talk) 02:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , I am sorry, but that is nonsense. The cited source does not verify the "alternative dance" genre. The onus is now on you to provide a reference to a reliable source verifying that genre. Please either provide the reference, or self-revert.  Cullen328 (talk) 03:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Bimplescub has been blocked, and so will not be doing either of those things. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Business Class and First Class articles
Currently, there's a First class travel and a First class (aviation) article. On the other hand, there's a Business class article. I'm wondering if it might be worth splitting the business class article into Business class and Business class (aviation) as well or if it would be better to merge the first class articles together or even just keep it as it is. I've asked WikiProject Airlines already. Sgubaldo (talk) 17:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You raise a good point. I think you should split them. Bimplescub (talk) 02:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Bimplescub has been blocked for disruptive editing. I can't see a good reason to split Business Class, nor to join the two First class articles, fwiw. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

.epub download on Wikisource rarely works
Four times this month I tried to download an .epub of a book from Wikisource, using the link https://wsexport.wmflabs.org/tool/book.php?lang=pl&format=epub&page= (and book name here; today it was "Moskal"). It worked only once out of four, with most times the connection to the server being lost and this particular service seems to be down almost all of the time ("Wikimedia Cloud Services Error. This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project"). This is the only service across all of the Wikipedia projects that I encounter constant problems with. Can anything be done about it? Thanks in advance! Amused (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Amused. It may be that something can be done about, but appealing to editors (not maintainers) of Wikipedia (which is a separate project from Wikisource) is unlikely to be fruitful. I suggest you ask at s:WS:H, and somebody there will redirect you as appropriate. ColinFine (talk) 19:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link! I think it's might be a problem with Wikimedia servers in general, but I'll ask there. Cheers! Amused (talk) 19:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Samwilson Maybe you could take a look at this (don't know how this ended up on the English Wikipedia teahouse :). @Amused Sam would be the person to ask such a question since he works on wsexport in Wikisource. Alternatively, feel free to use this form to file a phabricator ticket regarding the issue. :) Sohom (talk) 19:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've replied on the Scriptorium thread. Basically, I blame Calibre! :-P Sam Wilson 06:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Photo of special album packaging considered copyrighted?
I was reading the page for Tool's 10,000 days album and I feel a photo should be added to showcase the packaging design. Would a photo of the packaging unfolded be considered copyrighted since it features the album art or is it fine to add? Powder9157 (talk) 04:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Powder9157: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're using someone else's photograph, you may be infringing on the photographer's copyright.  If you're taking a photo with your own camera and uploading it, that would be fine.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree here. No matter who takes the photo, a key concern is the protected nature of the packaging/album-art itself. You would have to make a case that actually seeing it substantially increases readers' understanding. See Non-free content for the policy and restrictions on use of images of non-public-domain items. DMacks (talk) 05:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Powder9157, @DMacks: For an example of an album article showing inside art, see Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, in which the photo is sourced to the record company. GoingBatty (talk) 07:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

New Article For Creation
Hey! I Research and collected information and create new article can you publish it on Wikipedia? Bhushyaxf (talk) 08:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Bhushyaxf! We'll need some more information in order to help effectively, but I'd suggest you have a look at the guideline on reference requirements before an article can be published. You might also be interested in Help:Your first article. We might be able to provide more specific advice if you tell us more – what is the article about? What sources did you find? Are you personally connected to the topic (a company you work for or an article about a family member, for example)? Tollens (talk) 08:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

English or Albanian title
I am planning on writing an article about an Albanian film with an Albanian title.

In the article name, should I use the Albanian name or its English name (English translation of the name if it doesn’t have an English name of its own)?

In addition, when you’re mentioning such film in another article, should it be mentioned in the og or english title?

Looking forward for answers.  grafi X al Talk 18:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @GrafiXal: If there is an English title that the film is known by that is used by reliable sources, then yes, that is preferred; otherwise the original Albanian title is used. That applies to any mention of it in other articles. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @GrafiXal: Welcome to the Teahouse! Naming conventions (films) has some examples to help you.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tenryuu @GoingBatty Thanks for the answers! ^^  grafi X al Talk 10:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

How to disclose a COI
Hello. I'm new here. I have a problem tham my article was rejected for lack of published articles and conflict of interest. Im writing about a automobile museum (i work there and we want to be on a Wikipedia "map"). And now i need to somehow disclose a COI. Could you help me how to do it? Auto Muziejus (talk) 10:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. You will need to make the paid editing disclosure as a museum employee, I will post instructions on your user talk page.
 * Note that Wikipedia is not interested in search engine results(I think you mean a Google map?). 331dot (talk) 10:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * about map - it was metaphorically :) Auto Muziejus (talk) 10:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless "we want to be on a Wikipedia "map" means "we want to use Wikipedia for promotion", and that is not permitted. If your museum meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there can be an article about it. The article will not belong to or be controlled by your museum, and should be based on what the indepedent sources say about the museum, not on what the museum says or wants to say. ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I 100% agree with you. sorry for my miscommunication. "should be based on what the indepedent sources say about the museum" - in english wikipedia, those sources need to be in english? I'm asking that, because we are small country, and there are not so many english written sources. Sorry for my questions, just want to make it right. TomasTheBeard (talk) 11:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, sources do not need to be in English. 331dot (talk) 11:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy: draft is at Draft:Automuseum Vilnius. David notMD (talk) 10:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Felix Leong
Draft:Felix Leong

I am needing someone to confirm the sources in Spanish 161.43.67.202 (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello IP and welcome to Wikipedia! I’m glad you have began contributing to a draft. Non-English sources are used often on Wikipedia, although English sources are naturally preferred for our readers to reference. If you need assistance with confirming the reliablity or contents of Spanish sources, I’d direct your attention to our list of translators here. Good luck with your draft: Our team that reviews them has a very low backlog currently, so you are likely to receive quick feedback. Thanks, good luck, and happy editing! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It will be a pity if Grandmaster Felix is only put into Wikipedia after he dies 161.43.67.202 (talk) 21:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft has been deleted, block evasion of USer:Australianblackbelt. Canterbury Tail talk 12:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

banking of guerd india Help as to help you Can someone add an Imagine
banking of guerd india Help as to help you Can someone add an Imagine 43.251.179.191 (talk) 12:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Your question is unclear. Are you looking for Help:Images? Shantavira|feed me 12:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Updating text about a company - References help
I have a text for wiki written by the author of a book about the same company. The book has plenty of references.

But as this text is actually just a super short version of the book, how can it be referenced? Is a reference to the book (which will be free, by the way) enough? It it a re-write of the history of an already existing page here Iver C. Weilbach & Co. which only includes the old book reference. But when i try to update the text and some new images, it gets rejected due to lack of references. Lund95 (talk) 08:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Lund95. Every piece of information in a Wikipedia article must be verifiable from a published source, and while the rules don't insist that the source must be cited, editors are more and more insisting on that when new information is added.
 * If the book has not yet been published, then it may not be cited, and information from it may not be included (unless the information has previously been reliably published, of course).
 * Once the book has been published by a reputable publisher, then it may be cited. If it is published in other ways (eg self-published, or by a vanity press), then it cannot be cited as a source. ColinFine (talk) 10:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestions. I have now tried to make the additions to my draft of the page content. Hope it will get approved now. Lund95 (talk) 13:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Ages
Ages........why assume we all like number crunching.......try giving some celebs ages instead of leaving us to figure it out from the born/died info...arithmetic is not many peoples cup of tea...................Cheers........

as above Jim6677 (talk) 10:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. I've placed your comment outside the section header- edits should be placed in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header window.
 * Is there a specific article you are referencing that prompted this question? Ages are typically given in the infobox. 331dot (talk) 10:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Birth, death and age templates will almost certainly be of interest to you. -- Verbarson talkedits 14:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Unreliable Wikipedia Page
i have found a wikipedia article that i assumed was filled with inaccuracies and blantantly purposeful misinformation, the problem lies with the lack of fact checking for the article (not much was interested in this topic) but i did and i found it's not even the description of the topic but another different topic but the description was used for this article falsely, makes me questioned the credibility of the other presented descriptions. any advice? Merzostin (talk) 13:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It would help to know which article you are referring to. 331dot (talk) 14:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am guessing this is about Djong (ship), where you removed a large block of text, and have concerns about other parts of the article. Wikipedia recommends editors be Bold in their edits, but if Reverted, start a Discussion on the Talk page of the article. You have been Bold. At this point you can continue to examine other parts of the article, or wait to see if other editors dispute what you have done already. Or go on to other articles that interest you. David notMD (talk) 14:04, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You could also start a conversation with User:Verosaurus, who created the article in 2018 and has been an active contributor as recently as October. David notMD (talk) 14:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you so much! i do have interest but i don't think i'm capable to look into every reference and compared it with others! Merzostin (talk) 16:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for the reply, it was in this convo Merzostin (talk) 16:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft
Hey, I have created a draft Swami Avdheshanand Giri Ji Maharaj who is a great Hindu spiritual guru, monk. I have also cited it correctly with all typo correction and good english. Can you guys help me by telling me what can I do better in this article? How to make this article best and tell me all problems please! TheProEditor11 (talk) 15:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. The best way to get feedback is to submit it for a review, the reviewer will inform you of any problems. 331dot (talk) 15:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @331dot But the article will get declined if any problems persists there in it! So I want to solve all problems before submission as I have worked hard to find citations and create this article!!!! Thanks....
 * Also, I am very thankful to @Michael D. Turnbull to tell me all problems and fix it for me.... If you see any more problem, kindly let me know! TheProEditor11 (talk) 16:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Declined" is not final, it allows for resubmission. 331dot (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "Rejected" would be final, but I highly doubt it would be outright rejected. You have nothing to fear from submitting it, and it is the best way to get feedback. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay! I will submit it..... But can you please look into the article and tell me the negative things in the article?! It will take only few moments for you... TheProEditor11 (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @TheProEditor11 You can fix a few things before or after you submit the draft. The person's full name is very long and I don't know how exactly MOS:SURNAME should be complied with but you should read that guidance. You have a few citation errors which I'll fix in a moment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So sweet of you for taking time to fix it! Actually, thankyou for reminding MOS:SURNAME. Actually the name is - Swami Avdheshanand Giri and Ji Maharaj is respect given to monks and some religious people in Hinduism. So, it means that I have to not write Ji Maharaj. Am I right? TheProEditor11 (talk) 16:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @TheProEditor11 Yes, we leave out honorifics, as the MOS says. I assume that Giri is his surname and is what should mainly be used when referring to him in later uses of his name in the biography. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes! you are right but since he is a godly figure for millions, I used full name or just Swami Ji instead of Giri which looks kinda disrespectful! TheProEditor11 (talk) 16:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * .... on Wikidata here he is just Avdheshanand Giri, so that is perhaps what you need to use (I'm no expert in these naming conventions!). It is not a matter of disrespect: you could look in the Teahouse archive for the number of times people have complained that we refer to Muhammad in the way we do. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Old Links?
Hi! On the Lushootseed article, I've noticed that there's a citation link that leads to a page that doesn't exist anymore. I don't know enough about the topic to find a suitable replacement, but I don't want to leave a citation that isn't...actually citing anything. What should I do? (It's the first reference; "Brown, Drew" etc). Toastedpencils (talk) 15:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You should either remove the citation link or use Dead Link template. Thanks, TheProEditor11 (talk) 16:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Toastedpencils See WP:LINKROT. Don't remove citations just because they no longer link correctly. See the link for alternative suggestions: there are also bots which go around fixing such problems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Page for Singer Songwriter FRANC O'CHER
Hello, I have read that is illegal to pay an entreprise to write an article on wikipedia and I can't do it myself. is there anyway I can have a Wiki page about my singer-songwrite career. As I already have over 25 articles from blog an magazine ?

Here is some related info: https://www.francocher.com https://www.youtube.com/@francochermusic https://www.instagram.com/francochermusic https://www.tiktok.com/@francochermusic https://www.twitter.com/francochermusic https://www.facebook.com/francochermusic

Thank you for your help Francois Durocher (Franc O'cher) Durochef (talk) 15:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Durochef, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is not "illegal" to pay somebody to write an article about you, but it is very very unwise, because:
 * Many of the people and organisations offering that service are scammers.
 * If you find an honest one, they will tell you that they cannot guarantee that an article about you will be accepted, or that it will say what you want it to say.
 * They must make a formal declaration of their status as a paid editor, including who is paying them.
 * They can expect their work to be scrutinised carefully for reliability and independence of the sources they use, and for neutrality of the text
 * An article about you must be based almost entirely on such independent, reliably published sources about you: what you or your associates say or want to say about yourself is almost irrelevant. If sufficient sources of that nature do not exist, then there cannot be an article about you. Period.
 * If such an article is accepted, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and it may not be used for promotion, widely construed. Your involvement in it (and the involvement of your agent, if you employ one) will be limited to making edit requests.
 * External links from Wikipedia articles are all tagged "nofollow", so do not contribute to SEO.
 * Basically, if you are even considering paying somebody to write an article about you, you are almost certainly under the misapprehension that Wikipedia can be used for promotion, and that an article about you is for your benefit. ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for these information. I really appreciate.
 * My goal wasn't really to be use as promotion but more as a validation. On how google would display my information when the search for "Franc O'cher" is made.
 * Guess I will have to wait for a kind soul to create it ! :)
 * Thank you for your help.
 * Have a great day.
 * Franc Durochef (talk) 18:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, your goal was to improve your presence on Google. How is that not promotion? ColinFine (talk) 19:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Error
Hi. Why does the [|list of DW episodes page] have a giant cite error on it? (visible in the series overview) I reverted another page to fix the error then went on there and saw that, I'm assuming it's not a mistake just with this page considering it wasn't like that recently and yet on the page edit history, it shows up a lot now. Someone should fix it anyway I think but I don't know how. ButterCashier (talk) 19:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because the listed defined references are defined but not used. Ruslik_ Zero 20:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Vico, and Vicoletto, of the Zuroli
An administrator rejected this draft in progress for the first time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vico,_and_Vicoletto,_of_the_Zuroli, I kindly ask for your honest opinion as I am currently improving it according to Wikipedia conventions , citing all the historical and archival sources relating to the Italian toponym. Thanks in advance for listening. GiovAngri (talk) 15:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Vico, and Vicoletto, of the Zuroli --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * GiovAngri the declining reviewer was not an admin. My opinion is that you should address the issues that the reviewer raised, including fixing so-called 'citebombs'. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 15:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Um, I understand then I have to see what the Wikipedia rules say regarding citeboombs, thanks anyway. GiovAngri (talk) 16:29, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not clear to me what the article is about. My best guess is that the "Vico del Zuroli" is a building and the "Vicolo del Zuroli" is another building; but I'm probably wrong. The section "Stories linked to the place" has three unsourced paragraphs, then a paragraph which cites four sources, all together at the end. References should be placed immediately after the statements which they support. Maproom (talk) 20:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding deleted drafts
I had submitted an article for review 6 months back and it was rejected. Since, I was disappointed I didnt edit it further for 6 months and now found out it has been deleted. I have requested for the undeletion of that draft. Please let me know how much time does it take in undeletion after the request has been sent.

Thanks. Aish interested in healthcare (talk) 09:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello. There isn't a specific time frame. As this is a volunteer project, it will be done when a volunteer gets around to it. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * okay, Thanks. Aish interested in healthcare (talk) 09:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Basant Garg was restored by User:Jay. DMacks (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Can someone add an image for my first wiki page
I was hoping someone could add an image of Erik Hansen to my page on him. There is an image of him in the wiki commons under "Erik Hansen Pro day". I am wanting to create a grid with all his information under the image. If someone could help add that on, it would be greatly appreciated! Footballfan145 (talk) 22:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Bit of a mystery what's going on with the image. If you took the photo, you do not need to be mailing VRTS, you can just slap whatever licence you choose on it (such as Cc-by-sa-4.0). If you did not take the photo, then whatever email you're sent to VRTS is not enough. See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Erik_Hansen_pro_day.jpg --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I took the image Footballfan145 (talk) 23:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you know how you want to licence it? Public domain? Creative Commons? --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And this is a cropped version of the image? https://twitter.com/draftdiamonds/status/1506382999939690505 --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I tagged it on Commons as copyvio before it was undeleted.
 * If you took the photo but published it (i.e. posted on social media) before uploading to Commons, you do need to provide evidence of ownership to VRT.
 * It would probably help to provide the high-res original with the camera EXIF data intact Adeletron 3030 (talk • edits) 01:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It'll be interesting to know the story here, but the commons image cannot be a copyvio of the (smaller, cropped) twitter image. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tagishsimon Fair point, I didn’t think to check the image dimensions. I should’ve asked the uploader first. Adeletron 3030 (talk • edits) 02:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * One thing you can do if you’re in doubt is to take a screen shot of the photo you want to use and then upload the screen shot. That way the data will look like it came from somewhere else and people will have a harder time tracing it back. Bimplescub (talk) 02:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Bimplescub, this is your fourth edit. The previous three were as unhelpful as this one. Please do not try our patience. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Struck advice from an indef'ed-NOTHERE editor that recommends violating copyright, license, and site-use terms of service. DMacks (talk) 20:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Change of category when still in draft form
I have submitted an article for a new page, which has so far been rejected. One of the issues is likely to be an incorrect categorization. How do I change the category when still in draft form? The current category is "organisation" but I want to change the category to "band".

I don't think I need to change the content or the citations, but cannot see a way to change the category. Is that function available or do I simply start again? Asianfg (talk) 01:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It is not yet a very good article, but the subject very clearly passes WP:GNG. I have removed the uncited Alumni section; improved some of the references & added a couple more; and promoted it as Canberra Youth Orchestra. I'd suggest you continue to work on it, particualrly by looking for news stories which discuss the subject or its work. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * To answer your question, you could have changed the draft categorisation in the draft by amending parameters in the template Draft topics, but that is no longer necessary. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I need your help to improve this article
Hello, my article needs a review and editing by an experienced Wikipedia editor Which friends can help me edit and improve this article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ahmad_Bayati I have little knowledge in editing and professional editing And I need your help to improve this article 2.177.101.133 (talk) 03:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to say that at the moment, Ahmad does not qualify for a wikipedia article because there are not enough reliable sources which discuss him. Unless you can find better sources, the draft will be deleted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer. All the sources of the article are from international and Iranian sources and reliable news agencies of Iran, which are neutral
 * And once approved by Persian Wikipedia with its rules
 * Is it possible to review and check again?


 * ^ https://focusteam.ir/Users/C
 * external link[edit]
 * Official website
 * coverage of the final competitions of the country's polo championship on the selection news website
 * Ahmed Bayati's interview on the omigo website
 * Ahmad Bayati on LinkedIn
 * Ahmad Bayati on Instagram
 * https://honariran.org/cer/1402/2682.jpg
 * https://35awards.com/page/contests/num/738/certificate/?user_id=1181253&lang=en
 * https://35awards.com/author/ahmadbayati
 * https://honariran.org/ads/%d9%85%d8%ac%d9%85%d9%88%d8%b9%d9%87-%d8%b9%da%a9%d8%b3-%d9%86%da%af%d8%a7%d9%87-%d9%86%d9%88/
 * https://honariran.org/ads/%d8%b9%da%a9%d8%b3-%d8%b7%d8%a8%db%8c%d8%b9%d8%aa-%d8%a7%db%8c%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a7%d8%b2-%d8%b4%da%af%d9%81%d8%aa-%d8%a7%d9%86%da%af%db%8c%d8%b2%d8%aa%d8%b1%db%8c%d9%86-%d9%86%d9%82%d8%a7%d8%b7/
 * Resources[edit]
 * Ahmed Bayati's interview on the idat website
 * Ahmad Bayati's interview on the idat website 2.177.101.133 (talk) 03:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * https://honariran.org/ads/%d9%85%d8%ac%d9%85%d9%88%d8%b9%d9%87-%d8%b9%da%a9%d8%b3-%d9%86%da%af%d8%a7%d9%87-%d9%86%d9%88/
 * https://honariran.org/ads/%d8%b9%da%a9%d8%b3-%d8%b7%d8%a8%db%8c%d8%b9%d8%aa-%d8%a7%db%8c%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a7%d8%b2-%d8%b4%da%af%d9%81%d8%aa-%d8%a7%d9%86%da%af%db%8c%d8%b2%d8%aa%d8%b1%db%8c%d9%86-%d9%86%d9%82%d8%a7%d8%b7/
 * Resources[edit]
 * Ahmed Bayati's interview on the idat website
 * Ahmad Bayati's interview on the idat website 2.177.101.133 (talk) 03:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that these do not satisfy WP:GNG. English wikipedia's notability standards are not the same as Persian wikipedia. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Because other people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kaveh have verified their articles with much less and inappropriate sources
 * That's why I request to check with these sources which are valid
 * And please check it, and if you need basic editing, due to lack of familiarity, it may seem unapproved, but I request Majd to check it and edit it, thank you. 2.177.101.133 (talk) 03:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The argument that another article has been created with insufficient references is not a good argument for this article being created with insufficient references. I'm sorry, but right now, there is not evidence that this subject is notable. If you cannot find additional reliable sources for the subject, the article will not be promoted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Building on that response, if there is a problem with the references in Ali Kaveh, feel free to improve it or nominate it for deletion. GoingBatty (talk) 04:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * GoingBatty is correct. Note, though, that Ali Kaveh has the distinction of taking the picture of Ayatollah Khomeini printed on Iranian 10,000 rials note; this is proffered as a reason for him having fame in Iran. Ahmad Bayati is very much younger, and has no such claim. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is true. Of course, note that Ahmad Bayati is famous and has a Google knowledge panel "Google Knowledge" https://g.co/kgs/SKoR8Y and Wikipedia is Farsi and In taking news photos for important government centers and important Iranian news agencies


 * https://sahebkhabar.ir/news/60966348/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%DB%B1%DB%B4%DB%B0%DB%B2


 * https://www.citna.ir/news/282092/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%DB%B1%DB%B4%DB%B0%DB%B2


 * https://www.citna.ir/node/282092


 * https://www.citna.ir/news/282085/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%87%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%84-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-1402


 * https://www.citna.ir/node/282085


 * https://www.citna.ir/news/282089/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A2%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DA%A9-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%DB%B1%DB%B4%DB%B0%DB%B2


 * https://www.citna.ir/node/282089


 * https://www.bultannews.com/fa/amp/news/426155


 * https://www.asriran.com/fa/news/895287/%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE


 * https://www.4gnews.ir/news/2609


 * https://www.citna.ir/node/14826


 * https://sahebkhabar.ir/news/60965419/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%84-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%DB%B1%DB%B4%DB%B0%DB%B2


 * https://sarmayehgostaran.ir/66172/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%AF-%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D8%B1/


 * https://www.bultannews.com/fa/amp/news/426155
 * https://www.namayeshgahha.ir/category/fairs/it-industries/page/2/
 * https://www.entekhab.ir/fa/news/731580/%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9%85%D9%87-%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%DA%AF% D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%81%D9%86-%D9%87%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%AF %D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9 %D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B7-%D8%A2%DB%8C-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9% 85%D9%87


 * https://www.mizanonline.ir/fa/news/705494/%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7 %DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%DA%86%D9%88%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%86 -%D9%82%D9%87%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%DA%A9%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1


 * https://www.mizanonline.ir/002xWw


 * https://borna.news/fa/news/531439/%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D9% 87-%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%DA%86%D9%88%DA%AF%D8 %A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%86% D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2-%D8%A8%D8%B1%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%85%DB%8C- %D8%B4%D9%88%D8%AF


 * https://borna.news/002EFb


 * https://www.citna.ir/node/282042


 * https://www.citna.ir/node/189542 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.177.101.133 (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * https://37280223.khabarban.com/


 * It is very active. And also in the world https://35awards.com/author/ahmadbayati


 * https://asansafarnews.ir/%D9%87%D9%86%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF- %D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB%8C/


 * https://1pix.ir/user/ahmadbayati


 * https://lilit.ir/163314/


 * https://www.100honar.com/Artist/30059/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB% 8C/


 * https://virgool.io/@mehrr/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB%8C-mwbhwpsrrsdr


 * https://honareheyat.com/user/89fa87


 * https://honareheyat.com/image/32263/%D8%B3%D9%88%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%87%20%D8%B3%D9%88 %D9%85-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3%201-ahmad%20bayati-%D8%AC%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%87%20%D9%87%DB%8C %D8%A3%D8%AA%20%D9%81%D8%B6%D8%A7%DB%8C%20%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86%DB %8C

'''https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=%2Fg%2F11kpmw47fp,%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF%20%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB%8C&hl=en-US ''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.177.92.112 (talk) 02:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * https:// wikitia .com /wiki/Ahmad_Bayati


 * https://www.domestika.org/en/ahmadbayati


 * It has been brought and recognized


 * This is a proof of his fame in Iran. I think Ahmad Bayati deserves to make such a claim 2.177.101.133 (talk) 23:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Well: add Reliable Sources to his article. There is no point arguing about it here. I've had a look at some of the URLs you have posted above. Perhaps https://lilit.ir/163314/ is good, who knows; it won't translate. But most of them are not reliable sources. Providing long lists of mainly rubbish URLs is not helpful. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * '''Thank you, I have added all the sources, I am your approval and verification
 * Thank you again for your help and explanation''' 2.177.92.112 (talk) 03:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You added more than 4k of link data to the article. You have not added what could be regarded as references. You have not helped the article, at all. I've followed one of the refs; it gets me to a story "Seetna's video report of Irancell's presence at Elcamp 1402 exhibition". That is not about the subject at all.
 * Please understand: loading the article up with rubbish links is not helpful. Adding links which are not references is not helpful. We are still in the position where 1) most of the text in the article has no citations and 2) the article page has fifty or so external links of one sort of another, none of which are references for the text in the article. If you are serious about wanting this draft to be approved, do the following: 1) remove all links which are not 'footnotes' citations. All of them. Gone. 2) Make sure each paragraph in the article has a reliable source linked as the 'footnotes' are currently linked. 3) Red WP:GNG. Make sure the footnotes are reliable sources. Please understand we all only have so much time: if you continue to throw tens of uselss references at us, we will simply delete the draft because it will be clear that it is going nowhere. (And do be advised: I have the strongest doubts that you can come up with enough reliable sources. Not every person gets an article, no matter how much you want one.) --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This person is the photographer of these news agencies and photographs the important news of Iran
 * "And according to the policy of news agencies, they do not name the photographer, but the name of this person can be seen EXIF in the photographs 2.177.92.112 (talk) 03:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That does NOT convey notability. We are looking for reliable sources which describe the subject in detail. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * All reliable sources that describe the subject in detail are left and there are no other sources
 * Please help review and edit the article 2.177.92.112 (talk) 03:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If there are no other sources, then the article will not be promoted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:58, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Unable to understand wikipedia
Hi this is the below link of the article that I wrote. I am new to wikipedia and I dont know the rules and terminologies that you use. Please do let me know the real problem with the article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavan_Sadineni Aaseeshpreetam6 (talk) 06:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * First, you can not expect to leap into wikipedia and write an article. Spend a few weeks or even months just reading Wikipedia and learn how it works. Then you might be bale to write an article. Bduke (talk) 07:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * is not a new user. They created their account almost ten years ago, but their oldest survivng edit is from yesterday. Maproom (talk) 08:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The real problem atm seems to be that someone who saw the article thought "This isn't good enough per WP:N!" There is now a discussion that is intended to solve that problem. There may be other problems involving WP:RS and WP:BLP, but the "should this article be deleted" is the main one atm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

STATUS: There exists Draft:Pavan Sadineni which was repeatedly Declined, and also Pavan Sadineni, created and then nominated for deletion. The two documents are not identical. I recomment abandoning the draft - which should be deleted - and working on improving the article. David notMD (talk) 09:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The process at AfD is that editors have a week or so to recommend Keep or Delete, and then an Administrator makes a decision. Consider looking at the draft to see why the Reviewers were Declining the draft, as that may give direction for improving the article while waiting for the AfD decision. David notMD (talk) 09:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

YouTube as a source? WP:NOYT unclear?
Here an editor cites a YouTube video as the source on a BLP's religious beliefs/theism. Is this okay? WP:NOYT seems somewhat ambiguous and I'd rather not remove citation that might be acceptable. Thanks. Zenomonoz (talk) 05:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * YouTube is a user-generated website and is therefore highly discouraged from use as a Wikipedia source. Equalwidth (C) 06:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Equalwidth is correct that most YouTube videos are not considered to be reliable sources. However, there are significant exceptions. Videos shown on official YouTube channels associated with reliable, established print or academic sources are also reliable and can be used as references in Wikipedia articles. As for WP:NOYT, that is an essay that expresses the opinion of its author, and lacks the force of a policy or a guideline. The relevant policy language can be found at WP:ABOUTSELF. Cullen328 (talk) 08:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. And oops, didn't realise WP:NOYT was from an essay. I have made that mistake before. Zenomonoz (talk) 08:59, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Zenomonoz WP:RSPYT is more on point, though that page isn't policy or guideline either. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

User pages
Hey. I just joined yesterday, so I don't really know what I need to do. I created an account but I can not access it from the main Wikipedia page. Is there some other way to access it, or is something not working? Thanks. God bless. Heritage Love (talk) 05:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Create your user page. If you have the Newcomer Homepage enabled, then click on your username, then click Userpage. If it’s disabled, click on your username. Equalwidth (C) 06:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * At least I think that’s relevant… Equalwidth (C) 06:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your account works fine. It's optional to create a user page at User:Heritage Love. Many users don't. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Rejection due to "not enough references"
I submitted an article about a scientific prize and gave the reference of the organisation website that hands out the prize. The prize has been awarded since 2009, the organisation is well-established in European science. What else is needed? Incidentally, the German Wikipedia accepted my article, which is short and factual, without any problems. What kind of reference do the watch-dogs of Wikipedia request? I will now try a second time, adding unnecessary info (in my views) about the awardees, although the article is not about them primarily. Pünkelchen (talk) 11:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's usually best to at least tell people the name of the article when asking for help. I presume you mean Draft:Ita Askonas Award? - X201 (talk) 11:22, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Pünkelchen: you need to support the article with sufficient citations, so that it is clear where the information is coming from, and you also need to cite sources which establish notability, usually according to the WP:GNG guideline.
 * Whether the German-language Wikipedia accepted an article on this subject is neither here nor there, as each language version is entirely separate with their own guidelines and policies. This (English-language) one probably has the most onerous requirements, so it's not at all uncommon that articles get accepted into other language versions and yet not accepted here. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Pünkelchen To establish notability on the English Wikipedia we need about three sources that meet these criteria. At present, all your sources are either from organisations associated with the prize or from websites of people who have won it. These are therefore not independent. The most likely place to find acceptable sources will be from newspapers reporting on the Award. It is clearly OK to include some background from non-independent sources (see WP:ABOUTSELF) but these don't help the notability issue. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Pünkelchen I'm afraid it's about not the number of references, but the type of references needed to establish whether or not a topic meets English Wikipedia's strict Notability criteria. Has the award been written about in detail and depth by general news or magazine outlets, rather than within the immunology profession alone? I don't see that in the citations you have used. Nor do I see any mention of this award in either the existing articles about Brigitte Askonas, or in European Journal of Immunology. These are both low-hanging fruit wherein the award can easily be mentioned. It would even be possible to create a WP:REDIRECT from Ita Askonas Award to either the European Journal of Immunology as a whole, or to a subsection within it specifically about that award. I suggest you may find this a more rewarding route to follow than flogging yourself to create a separate article. Later on, when there's sufficient detailed coverage of this particular award (and remember, there are innumerable learned societies and other bodies who run award schemes every year) you could suggest making a more detailed, stand-alone article specifically about it. Hope you find this helpful. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Title of Page
Hi there, I edited a page which is now called "Islamist uprising in Syria" roughly 1-2 years ago. I visit it every now and then, however, I have noticed that the title has been changed and i strongly oppose the change. Although I agree with the change from "Islamic" to "Islamist" so as to not confuse it with something related to the religion and to make it more academic in language, however, it is very important to retain part of the old title which is "1976-1982" since Syria has a history of various islamist uprisings which should not be confused with each other. In fact, this is why the page itself begins with "not to be confused with the syrian civil war". I think it is a very important addition that should remain part of the title. I could not change it myself via the edit function, so i am writing this to ask for help on how to change it and perhaps to know why it was changed.

Thank you! KAD2223 (talk) 14:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @KAD2223 The titles of articles are not altered by edits but by WP:MOVEs. The Talk Page of the article is the place to gain consensus for any further move and is also where you should find the discussion that led to the current title. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

why many Christianity become Apologist in the early church
w 197.243.115.78 (talk) 16:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Try Reference desk/Humanities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Sub heading problem
In this article, under "Highest one day individual scorers" section, there are two tables for 'Men' and 'Woman', but their sub headings are stuck on top, even if in source code their are properly placed. If I fix it in visual editor, it just makes two 'Women' subheading appear on top, thus aggravating the error. Kindly fix it. Exclusive Editor  Notify Me! 19:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The first table didn't have the correct closing bracket. It had "|-}" instead of "|}". I have fixed it. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Deputy
Does a person who is a deputy of the State Council of the Republic of Tatarstan have significance for Wikipedia, considering that this parliament is the highest legislature in the state as part of the federation? 178.204.152.206 (talk) 20:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Per WP:NPOL, "The following are presumed to be notable:
 * Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office". So, yes, they are likely notable. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  20:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, all the best to you 178.204.152.206 (talk) 20:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  21:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Delete user pages
Hi, I was wondering, "How do I delete my common.css file?" ThatJoshuaPerson (talk) 17:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, @ThatJoshuaPerson, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can place db-u1 on any user page to request it be deleted. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, take a look at WP:Common.js and common.css for help. I guess you could just blank the page and in effect you would have no active software. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You can, but it won't work on a css page. Template content is not transcluded into .css pages, as far as I can see. I don't think there is a protocol for their deletion - blanking is normally good enough - but I guess Miscellany for deletion? --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Based on a check in preview, they do work, at least to some extent. When used on a css page, templates will not display as usual, hoewever, they do still trigger categorisation like Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user and substing them works too (that's why you can do something like ). Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, when you save a js or css page, the content is processed like wikitext including transclusion of templates. The result is not rendered on the page itself but it's still used to update other things like categories and WhatLinksHere. For example, Special:WhatLinksHere/User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js lists User:PrimeHunter/vector.js because that page contains . The wikilink would be invalid JavaScript so it's commented out with JavaScript's comment syntax   but not with wikitext's comment syntax  . This system helps find users of a script if they installed the script with the linkback code. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So, it sounds like the general consensus is that blanking the CSS page works? I've already done that, so I guess I'm fine. ThatJoshuaPerson (talk) 19:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Questions about how to create a new page. I think I am a registered user.
I have a registered user account, and I can prove that I have donated to the Foundation in the past. I am now ready to learn how to create some Wikipedia pages, and I have particular topics in mind. One concerns a documentary or movie project that I have made a lot of progress on, and the other is a page about a particular person whom I just recently met in Austria. I am certain that there will be many complaints and privacy rights violations in both instances, so it is not a simple question. Too many really, so I will start with just a few.


 * 1) Instruction manual on how to create and maintain Wikipedia pages.
 * 2) The documentary and/or film project is real.  I have probably thousands of photos, and a lot of written material, much of which is on social media platforms, and I personally have already started production.  However, the legal implications could be enormous.
 * 3) Ditto for the personal page.
 * 4) Also, I'd like to add some footnotes about Blue Wizards to the LOTR WIKI on the ONE WIKI TO RULE THEM ALL.

Are you able to help or give advice ?

My name is Stephen Douglas Scotti. I have no problem sharing some details about my identity, but I am sure some of the other people involved will object. Sdscotti (talk) 17:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The subjects of wikipedia pages need to be notable - WP:N and you must be able to cite Reliable Sources - WP:RS to evidence that notability. I doubt that your project is notable. Your fourth point does not make much sense, but at the same time sets alarm bells ringing. WP is not the "LOTR WIKI", so who knows. See also WP:YFA and WP:COI. I suggest you need to get a lot more familiar with WP before embarking on the addition of pages. But please start with the reading I've indicated. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please read and study Your first article carefully. Your account is too inexperienced to create new articles now. You should spend some time improving existing articles, and learning about Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. Nobody on Wikipedia cares at all whether or not you have donated money to the Wikimedia Foundation. The most important thing to know to start is that acceptable Wikipedia articles summarize significant coverage of the topic in reliable published sources that are entirely independent of the topic. So, have the documentary/film project and the person from Austria received such coverage? We cannot provide advice about editing other wikis. Cullen328 (talk) 18:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am certain that there will be many complaints and privacy rights violations in both instances you can only contribute content which is already free in the public domain can be freely licensed per copyright violations. You must also adhere to the Biographies of living persons policy. Failure to do so will undoubtedly result in you being blocked, so it is best you avoid any contentious topics. Polyamorph (talk) 20:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , it is not correct that Wikipedia content must be in the public domain, and relatively little of it is. For the most part, Wikipedia content, whether text or images, is freely licensed, for example under a Creative Commons license such as the CC BY-SA 4.0 License. The freely licensed content remains under copyright, but we agree to make that content widely available with attribution being the only acceptable restriction. Cullen328 (talk) 22:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeh, that's what I meant, but trying to explain in a non-technical way. Polyamorph (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also read WP:TOOSOON. Movie projects, documentary or not, rarely qualify for an article. Typically, movies are released, reviewed, and reviews can count as valid references. Social media does not count. As for a person you met, the advice above applies. No refs = no hope of being an article. David notMD (talk) 22:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Lists of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States

 * Lists of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States
 * List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States (Seat 2)

Someone forgot to update the nine law clerk pages. There is one for each justice. The first link above connects the updater to all nine pages. The second link is to one of the nine pages to show that the editor stopped updating in 2022. 75.166.199.107 (talk) 00:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

^^ That is an example of one of the nine pages that needs updating. 75.166.199.107 (talk) 00:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There is lots of unfinished & incomplete work on WP. It's not a thing worth bringing here. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * All the eight other lists have 2023 entries. Do you have a source saying seat 2 has a clerk starting in 2023? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Shortened References in Visual Editor?
Hi there! I'm working on beefing up an article and I'd like to cite different pages in the same source in multiple places in the article. I tried the "re-use" function in the citation menu in the visual editor, but I can't change the page numbers on one citation without them changing on all the others. Furthermore, I don't want to clog up the references with a lot of full-length footnotes when a shortened note with a different page number would do. Is this doable in the Visual editor currently, or should I dip my toe into source editing to get this done? TIA for the advice! Violetstork (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * To add a bit more detail, I'm looking at the article for Qawwali, which only has a References section (no separate section for footnotes.) I want to stay consistent with what's already in the article, but I also don't want to make a bunch of repeated references at the bottom! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks so much!! Violetstork (talk) 00:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Personally, I prefer the fully functional source editor, as opposed to the visual editor, which is clearly lacking many important functions. In any event, please read Help:References and page numbers, which explains how to accomplish what you want. Cullen328 (talk) 02:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! Violetstork (talk) 05:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Making articles
I just joined yesterday and i was wondering: How do i make a new article with new information i found on Audie Murphy?Audie Murphy Heritage Love (talk) 05:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Heritage Love: You would edit the article on Murphy instead of creating a new article. You can do so by clicking on an "Edit" link at the top of the page, but you will be asked to cite a reliable source for your information. If you don't it will eventually get removed. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thank you. Heritage Love (talk) 05:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A caution - the Audie Murphy article is a Featured Article (see the star, upper right) so editors who watch it may revert your new content unless it is up to high standards as far as adding valid references at the same time as adding content. David notMD (talk) 09:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Heritage Love. Another caution: where did you find the "new information"? If you have found reliable sources which have not yet been used for the article, you may well be able to add the information; but you may not include original research in a Wikipedia article. See verifiability. ColinFine (talk) 12:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

finding wikitext a bit awkward for linking and organizing.
Hello, I need help to get this article submitted - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Secondary_Mathematics_Individualized_Learning_Experiment I have added several references from peer reviewed journals and links to software repositories, so I believe this is a good first version for publishing. Most grateful for help, first time doing this. Yodamaster1 (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Yodamaster1 Writing articles from scratch as the first thing you try on Wikipedia is hard! Reviewers are looking for drafts that fully meet our standards including correct referencing. There are help articles here. To take just one example, your best source is probably 10.1007/978-3-319-72610-6_12 but its citation should look like this: There is a WP:Citation expander that can automatically convert the doi into that full citation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I suggest that the chapter parameter should use single quotes instead of double quotation marks per Help:Citation Style 1. GoingBatty (talk) 19:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * None of the citation generating scripts will do that though: they'll make the chapter punctuation match the double quotes found at the doi. Folly Mox (talk) 01:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! This is great advice @Michael D. Turnbull. I'll improve the reference formatting see about cleaning up the organization of the prose. Yodamaster1 (talk) 13:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is probably not super helpful in your specific situation, but if your problem is with wikitext feeling clunky and awkward, maybe check out pandoc.
 * It can convert stuff to wikitext, and even include BibTeX citations or other shenanigans. So if you're more comfortable with writing in LaTeX, markdown or something else, you could use these to write a draft and then convert that to wikitext to add it here. I also don't like wikitext that much tbh, but I guess it just takes a bit of time getting used to. FynnFreyer (talk) 13:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @FynnFreyer, I'll give it a go with the pandoc markdown to wikitext converter. Yodamaster1 (talk) 13:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with dispute
There seems to be some kerfuffle going on at Talk:FTSE 100 Index (and other places), regarding the creation of some categories. Some IP editors seem keen but are put off by the vague process, and some misleading/contradictory advice from some hostile editors... 78.148.155.84 (talk) 10:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Follow the despite resolution
 * WP:DR Subariba (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Editing a vital page
Hey all, I was thinking about adding a section to a vital page, and added an entry to the talk page, discussing the change. Is there any way to get in touch with someone that could review my proposed changes before I break something, or should I just wait a little longer for a reply on the talk page? FynnFreyer (talk) 13:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , your suggestion looks reasonable to me. But it would be more likely to get attention if it had a proper citation instead of a dummy one. Maproom (talk) 13:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @FynnFreyer For specialist subjects like this, the best approach is to draw attention to your suggestion by linking to it at Project Talk Pages, such as WT:WikiProject_Mathematics, which is very active. However, as advised, you need a new citation unless the article already has an appropriate one, in which case you should mention it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

How to add a video...
I would like to add a video to: Transcendental Model 1-G. It's a video of Test Flights of Transcendental Aircraft Corporation's Model 1-G and Model 2 VTOL aircraft. Wcobey (talk) 16:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Wcobey If and only if it is a video you personally took, then it could be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and then a link placed to it in the article. However, I assume it is more likely it is a video hosted on YouTube or similar and copyright of the aviation company. In that case, a link to it could be included in the "External links" section of the article. See Concorde for an example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Super thanks for your reply.
 * I edited the "Transcendental Model 1-G" page.
 * Added video: "Transcendental Aircraft Corporation - Model 1G and Model 2.ogg"
 * Title: "Video of Test Flights of Transcendental Aircraft Corporation's Model 1-G and Model 2 VTOL aircraft."
 * The revision I made was redacted as follows
 * 13:28, 4 November 2023‎ Nigel Ish talk contribs‎ 9,188 bytes −627‎  Undid revision 1183457072 by Wcobey (talk) - revert COI spam undothank Tag: Undo
 * I am lost... Wcobey (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think a user objected strongly to the advert at the start of the video, which is reflected in the wording of the commons video page you uploaded: "An eBook is now available: "Pioneering in A New Phase of Aviation Progress, 1952 - 1958" by William E Cobey." You will find that editors on Wikipedia despise wikipedia being used to promote anything, even a 99p ebook. You need to decide why you are here: to build the encyclopedia, or to promote your ebook. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wcobey If you cropped your video to remove any advert, I think that it would be an acceptable addition to the article. Note that you have a clear conflict of interest, so you should read the guidance on that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:37, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There's an outstanding copyright issue on the footage to be addressed: if copyright belongs to Wcobey - e.g. because they've inherited the copyright - then they may need to communicate with the Volunteer Response Team. It's clearly not 'own work'. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I am here to get out this historical story. Nothing else.  It's a piece of American history that needs to be documented and held in this archive, Wikipedia.
 * Both the video and the book tell the full story. One really can't go without the other. The advertisement links the two firmly together. Further, it certainly is not going to be a New York Times bestseller. The $1 for the book is for me to keep track of how many books are sold; and for me to amuse myself; and without a doubt, to buy me a beer.
 * I spent a considerable amount of time putting it together to share with the Wikipedia audience.
 * Yes, I will also share the copyright question with the Response Team.
 * I also wonder how to get to Wikipedia's Aviation Project team and whether the page "locked". ￼
 * Thanks so much for responses. You made my day.  I will stay in touch with you all as I navigate the process.￼ Wcobey (talk) 20:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Wcobey. I'm afraid that Wikipedia is specifically not for material that "needs to be documented": it is only for material that has already been reliably published.
 * If your book has been published by a reputable publisher with a reputation for editorial control, then it may be cited in Wikipedia. If it hasn't, then I'm afraid that it cannot be cited, and little or none of its contents may be covered (unless they are in a reliable source elsewhere, of course). ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Counting news articles: is that original research in society and culture section?
I have a question on original research in society and culture section.

For example, if I write "Ketotifen receives regularly news coverage. For the period from 1981 to 2023 it was mentioned in 15 articles of The Economist and 34 articles in The New York Times" would at be original research? It would be me who counted the articles. There is no secondary source that has these numbers already counted. I can put references on each of the mentions as, but wouldn't it be considered a citation overkill bombing?

What do you suggest, how can I mention that a particular drug has press attention? Maxim Masiutin (talk) 12:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Maxim. I would say that that is indeed original research.
 * The question is, why would the fact of it having received n press mentions be worthy of recording in a Wikipedia article? If somebody has written about that fact, it might be; but otherwise it is a random statistic of no significance.
 * Summarising what a couple of the articles said about it (assuming they are not mere mentions) would be far more to the point. ColinFine (talk) 13:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Maxim Masiutin Newspaper articles are rarely good sources for citations about pharmaceutical drugs. See WP:MEDRS for the type of source needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * According to the the page that you cited (WP:MEDPOP), News sources may be useful for non-biomedical content, such as information about "society and culture" Maxim Masiutin (talk) 16:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You asked why would the fact of it having received n press mentions be worthy of recording in a Wikipedia article? It is because this is high comparing to other drugs that indicate that it is at the top importance on society and culture matter among drugs. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , that is clearly a violation of the core content policy, No original research. If you intend to state or imply that the drug is, then you need to find a reliable source that comes to that specific conclusion. It is not the role of a Wikipedia editor to draw that conclusion. Cullen328 (talk) 17:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you very much for the explanation! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Unknown copyright for a map
There is a high quality, highly-legible map I own of a railway company that would be extremely useful to use in an article about that railway company. The problem is, this map has appeared all over the internet (in different variations) and on the BBC, yet I do not know who actually owns the copyright, and who created it originally. If I decided to scan it on my printer and use it for the article, would it constitute fair use? JoeMcCaff (talk) 01:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hell no. David notMD (talk) 02:05, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If this is a contemporary map, then I agree with David notMD. If the map was published over 95 years ago, then the copyright has expired and it is in the public domain, and can be used by anyone without restrictions. There are lots of gray areas in copyright laws which have gone through repeated revisions over the years, so complete details about this map would be required to make a definitive determination. Media copyright questions is the best venue for a more detailed discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging . Cullen328 (talk) 02:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then, Thanks for the help! JoeMcCaff (talk) 13:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * MY curt response was more to the proposed workaround rather than the map itself. David notMD (talk) 19:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's okay then. I just thought it'd be better to ask at least even if it's unlikely.
 * The BBC credits the map to a railway museum that I am a member of so I could probably ask them about it and if they have a map I could upload for them. JoeMcCaff (talk) 20:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

What should I do?
I'm perplexed. This article lacks reliable sources (Angelo Innocent Fernandes). I discovered no citations in Google Scholar. Additionally, this article exists in three other languages. Using a translator, I examined the references on each of the pages and found nothing substantial. The common reference is this page (https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bfernai.html). What should I do? LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 21:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Also Moreno de Souza LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 22:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies, it was my mistake. Moreno de Souza has results on Google Scholar that I need to review. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 22:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are looking for sources, gogle, and not just google scholar; and newspaper archives, would be the directions to take. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Google Books is a useful tool. I found a 1997 book called Profiles of Eminent Goans, Past and Present by J. Clement Vaz that has five sentences about the life of Angelo Innocent Fernandes on page 54. Cullen328 (talk) 22:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I will review, thank you. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 21:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Honored Doctor of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
Does a person with the title of "Merited Physician of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic" have significance for Wikipedia? 178.204.152.206 (talk) 17:51, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It does not confer notability: " Awarded to highly professional doctors for their services in protecting the health of the population, organizing and providing medical and preventive care using the achievements of medical science and technology in practice and who have worked in their specialty for 15 years or more." - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%87_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A1%D0%A0 --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's just the highest title for a doctor in the RSFSR. Thanks for the help 178.204.152.206 (talk) 20:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merely possessing the title does not confer notability in and of itself, but that doesn't necessarily mean the person isn't notable according to WP:BIO.
 * For an award to confer notability, the award itself must merit an article, like Nobel Peace Prize. 331dot (talk) 20:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. 178.204.152.206 (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

How to find projects to get involved in a particular topic
Hi, I would like to know if there is a wiki project for articles related to Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go? Thank you I only know about one obscure niche thing (talk) 17:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you look at Talk:Thomas_the_Tank_Engine you can see several projects related to that topic. Same for any other article, just go to the talk page and see which Wikiprojects are listed there.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @I only know about one obscure niche thing: I would recommend looking at Talk:Thomas & Friends, since Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go and Thomas & Friends are both television series. GoingBatty (talk) 23:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Start a deletion of an article
What is the pluging needed to get to start a deletion and how do you download it. Also it would be good to get a link of a tutorial page for it thx बिनोद थारू (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you're looking for the process to delete an article, please see WP:DELETE. Remsense  聊  03:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @बिनोद थारू That's not an easy question to answer, because it depends, in part, on why the article should be deleted. There are three deletion processes: speedy deletion, for articles with major, immediate problems like copyright violations or obvious lack of notability; proposed deletion, for articles that are likely to not be controversial in the deletion nomination; and articles for deletion, where the community has to discuss the possible deletion. What's the article in question? —C.Fred (talk) 03:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have many I want to send to AfD mostly persons and companies. Where is the tutorial on how to download the script for generating an afd. बिनोद थारू (talk) 03:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * बिनोद थारू, if the cases are all linked, you could open a ticket listing them all at WP:AfD after reading the rules there. Remsense  聊  03:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could list two or three examples here? It's not normal for someone to rock up to Wikipedia and declare their intention to send many articles for deletion. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:03, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And if you are sending articles to AfD en masse, be considerate to the other editors who have to evaluate each article typically within 7 days from time of filing. Please do not add unnecessary workload onto others by limiting yourself to have a reasonable number of active AfDs (5 is a good number to start with). There were other editors who had sent large numbers of articles to AfDs before and they were either censured or blocked after repeated requests to stop doing so. – robertsky (talk) 11:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * i open the afd at a limited rate due to workload बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:TWINKLE provides a easy way to nominate articles for deletion. Ca talk to me! 11:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Italicizing article titles
How do you italicize article titles? An article I’ve created: DEA-DOJ v. Walmart Inc., needs italicization, and I don’t know how to perform it. Roasted (talk) 02:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Roastedbeanz1 You can use the template Template:Italic title. Galobtter (talk) 02:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ – I've applied the template Italic title to the article. Tollens (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Roastedbeanz1: If you were to add Infobox court case to the article, it would have the side benefit of italicizing the article title. GoingBatty (talk) 02:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

substitution a picture


I don't know how to edit this myself. But in the article for Eliza Lee Cabot Follen--an abolitionist and accomplished poet--the picture in the article is instead of her husband. There are lots of pictures of her in the public domaine that would substitute suitably. Kensacks (talk) 02:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Kensacks: Welcome to the Teahouse! Which public domain picture would you recommend? GoingBatty (talk) 02:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This one looks excellent, but I cannot find the source :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is info about that image from the Massachusetts Historical Society: . It's attributed to "Kellog & Wilcox" but no date given, so we'd either need another source of information about this engraving specifically or information about these people in order to guesstimate a timeframe. DMacks (talk) 05:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Possibly 1860s, assuming it's actually "Kellogg" (spelling), per, which is reasonable given the subject and agrees with the typical style of their work. Might be interesting to contact MHS to clarify the actual spelling in that accession record. I'd say the engraving is public-domain. But need to make sure the photo we use of it is not itself protected. DMacks (talk) 05:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Photos of public domain images do not acquire new copyright protection. Image uploaded as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eliza_Lee_Follen.png and added to the article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As long as it's just that image, definitely true. What's the origin of the specific "1850" year you gave? DMacks (talk) 20:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Earliest date in the range given for the collection. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Better to list it as "1850–1890" (citeable date-range of collection), unless you have more-specific evidence for this specific item in the collection. As I mentioned previously, the only documented time of these two artists' collaboration was the 1860s. DMacks (talk) 21:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe. Maybe c.1850. Kellogg was an engraver, not the originator of the illustration. The subject died in 1860 aged 72. The illustration does not look like a 72-year old. Reasonable to infer that the illustration was made earlier in her life. Lowest end of the range seems not unreasonable. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I tagged it "circa". It's pretty bad to state something with certainty if it's only at personal estimate. DMacks (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

alie craig: draft
I have no idea how to do this!! I even have my agent helping me and we are stumped. I have put down minor accolades, but I have also been putting down a website cite for all my work and it still isn't enough. Is there any way someone can read it and help me? Alexandracraig (talk) 02:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You are strongly discouraged from writing an article about yourself because of conflict of interest and the PROMO policy. Kojavak (talk) 03:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So, regardless if it is me or not, can I have an agent write it about me, and will it sound like it is better if so? Alexandracraig (talk) 03:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * no. that's still a conflict of interest. ltb d l (talk) 03:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ok, thank you. so can someone from the motion picture academy write about me? Alexandracraig (talk) 03:11, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * again, still a conflict of interest. ltb d l (talk) 03:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

You can try to create an article about yourself, but it is strongly discouraged. See WP:AUTO. Or your agent can, but must declare paid on User page. See WP:PAID. Either way, only what is independent published stuff be used as references. See WP:42. Process is use guide WP:YFA to create and submit a draft. David notMD (talk) 03:16, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Appears that Alexander's agent - Jason - has created Draft:Alie Craig and it has been Declined. Jason has not declared PAID. IMDb are not accepted refs. Nor Google. Nor Amazon.David notMD (talk) 03:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Have a look at WP:PROUD. In short, if you think that only good PR can come of a Wikipedia article, please rethink it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alexandracraig you and your agent may want to read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If a Wikipedia article about you is accepted the article won't belong to you, and you and your agent won't be able to edit it further. If anything about you is published in a reliable source another editor can add it to your article, even if it something you don't want added. You may want to consider publishing information about yourself on social media, or create your own website. That way you don't have to be limited to the article restrictions set by Wikipedia, which is an online encyclopedia, and not a site for promotional profiles. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The User:Alexandracraig account variously identifies as both this named person and their agent, and are also using a separate variation of that username on commons, and also the agent-name matches an account editing this topic on commons. Alexandracraig, stop. Stop right now. What you are doing is in violation of multiple policies on both enwiki and commons, and the fundamental Terms of Service. I have blocked the similar-name on commons for multi-account abuse there and if any further evidence of account sharing is seen I will also block this account here. DMacks (talk) 04:18, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit source
Hi! I added some content to a Wikipedia article (poverty industrial complex). Now, when I go to edit the page, it says "edit source" instead of edit and I can only edit in code, which I don't know how to write. Can anyone help me get it back so I can edit the page regularly? I appreciate your help! Spatton27 (talk) 02:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Spatton27: When I go to Poverty industrial complex, I see both "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs. When you go to Special:Preferences, in the "Editing mode" dropdown, you might want to change it to "Always give me the visual editor, if possible". GoingBatty (talk) 02:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The source editor is fully functional while the visual editor has major gaps in its functionality. I suggest that you take a look at Help:Cheatsheet. The wikicode used in the source editor is really quite simple and I was able to learn it quickly despite not being a computer professional. Cullen328 (talk) 02:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Weird, I still only see the option to edit source. I don't see "edit." But I will try to learn the wikicode. Thanks! Spatton27 (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Try messing around with the settings at Special:Preferences. Something may have been changed there. Ca talk to me! 05:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

How is possible make a article draft better about How to buy property in Brazil as a foreigner?
Hi, please I need help for we can help people to avoid scams on Brazilian real estate market.

My draft is : Draft:How to buy Property in Brazil with Tourist Visa?

Thanks :) Imoveisavista (talk) 07:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't the place for that, per WP:NOTHOWTO.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I would add that blogs are not considered reliable sources and so can't be used to support content in any article ­– see WP:BLOGS. Tollens (talk) 07:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Signature
Hey, I have seen several people here in Wikipedia with colorful and beautiful signatures.. How can I make one for mine.. Can someone tell me ? TheProEditor11 (talk) 04:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi TheProEditor11. The WP:CUSTOMSIG page tells you the technical details and rules for custom signatures. DMacks (talk) 04:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Per that page: "A distracting, confusing, or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users. ". Please don't. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Writing a personal article
Hello!

I am Taymia Beldjilali. I am new to Wikipedia, that is why I am asking if you could help me know how to write a new personal article. And I want to write about science. Taymia Beldjilali (talk) 10:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Taymia Beldjilali and welcome to Wikipedia!
 * Making an acceptable WP-article without having any/very little experience in WP-editing is difficult. It is strongly recommended that you spend some time editing/improving existing articles first, to get an idea how this place works.
 * On how to make a WP-article. First make sure there isn't an article on the subject already. Then see WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to Help:Your first article. It is also absolutely essential that you learn how to add references correctly, I can't stress this enough. WP:TUTORIAL has guidance on that. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Just to add also that if by "personal article" you mean you would like to create an article about yourself, then... don't. For reasons why that's not a good idea, please see WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You have submitted your draft twice, ( User:Taymia Beldjilali/sandbox) but we already have an article on the topic Cell (biology) and please note that articles are based on what reliable published sources say about a topic, your draft seems to be a personal essay which is not allowed here. Theroadislong (talk) 11:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

How to know if posted research is still current or has been debunked?
Case in point: the Dunning-Kruger effect Follow-up studies (Edward Nuhfer and colleagues, Gilles Gignac and Marcin Zajenkowski have shown that the original work done by Dunning, Kruger was mis-presented (may not have been intentional) and actually caused autocorrelation which presented their hypothesis. How do we notate wiki to indicated that the DKE is NOT true based on proper representation of their study data? Maybe a dedicated wiki section (on each wiki page) to add updated links, scoring, confidence rating. << just some thoughts Bradtech13 (talk) 07:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Bradtech13 The Dunning-Kruger effect is rated as a Good article. If you have suggestions for improvement, please make them on its Talk Page at Talk:Dunning–Kruger effect. The article has over 2,000 page watchers, so you should get an informed response there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating a new page
How do I create a new page like for instance, if I created a page about clocks, how would I create that? Beebuzz2 (talk) 03:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Beebuzz2, technically, all you have to do is go to the desired page title, such as User:Beebuzz2/sandbox or Clock article and create the page.
 * However, it is very hard to actually create a good article. See the guide on your first article; it is not recommended to create an article until you have a decent knowledge of the many policies and guidelines that exist. Instead, it is recommended to start with easy edits, as recommended by your newcomer homepage, and slowly work your way up to adding references, adding sections, etc. which is great preparation for creating a new article. Happy editing! Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 03:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Beebuzz2 For a topic as broad as clocks, you would first have to check that Wikipedia doesn't already have an existing article you could improve: e.g. by looking at Category:Clocks. If you were sure your proposal was new, then this essay gives good advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Adventure not working?
I'm pretty new, and a lot of places people will say "oh, go to Wikipedia Adventure. You can learn to edit Wikipedia really quickly!" But, I've tried doing it and it just won't work for me. Can someone please help? Link: The Wikipedia Adventure  五颜   六色⩥  ​ 19:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * 五颜六色 what about it doesn't work? Maybe try scrolling down to the place where it lists 'missions' and click on Mission 1. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 19:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia Adventure.png
 * I did... but all it shows is a blank dark blue page with the background illustrations.  五颜   六色⩥  ​ 19:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The Wikipedia Adventure only works with the original source editor. if you are using the visual editor, it will not work. Cullen328 (talk) 20:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)8
 * How do you get to the original source editor?  五颜   六色⩥  ​ 20:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @五颜六色: Go to  and see if it's set to "Show me both editor tabs". If that is is enabled then you'll see an "edit source" link at the top of the page. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I did, but the screen still stays the same. The only buttons on the top of the screen are read, view source, view history, add to watchlist and subscribe. Also, when I click view source there's a message saying that I probably shouldn't be there.  五颜   六色⩥  ​ 22:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you clicking the button? — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes  五颜   六色⩥  ​ 23:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It should bring you to a pop-up, which should send you to another popup. Do you have Javascript enabled for this site? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I checked my settings and it is enabled. However, I have never seen any popups.  五颜   六色⩥  ​ 01:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have popups disabled in your browser? ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, but how to check to make sure?  五颜   六色⩥  ​ 14:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Edits reverted
Hello. Recently, i have made a couple edits to make certain articles have a more neutral point of view. Unfortunately, however, they keep getting reverted, with insults and disparaging remarks, and when i seek clarification as to why it has been reverted, i get no response. Please let me know how to fix this issue, and i would like the guidance of an experienced editor who also had to deal with neutrality issues Adenyoyo (talk) 14:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello. I assume this refers to your edits to The Atlantic. If you want to say in Wikipedia's voice that it is a leftist publication in the lead, you must first establish a consensus to do so on the talk page, and demonstrate that the preponderance of reliable sources describe it that way. 331dot (talk) 14:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this is also in reference to disputed edits at Misogynist terrorism. You are already participating in a discussion on the Talk page of that article and should continue until consensus is reached, or if not, there are other options. Your proposal that other people stop editing the article - including reverting your changes - is not acceptable. David notMD (talk) 14:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Bots for Wikipedia
Folly Mox (talk) 16:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC) Hey Fellow Wikipedians, I was wondering how you can make a bot for Wikipedia? Is that even possible for normal wiki users or do u have to be in the IT department for Wikipedia?

See u later, DieCrewls22 08:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Bots are all community-operated! You can certainly develop and run one, but there are stringent requirements and you need some proficiency in software engineering. See Bots.--Jasper Deng (talk) 08:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is possible for anyone to create a bot, but for the bot to be permitted to edit outside of its own userspace you would need to submit a request for approval. For the process of creating the bot itself, see WP:CREATEBOT. Tollens (talk) 08:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Guys! DieCrewls22 08:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft
How can I change the name of the draft? 178.204.152.206 (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 17:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome! Are you the same person as User:Nightmaretime9999? If so, you can log into your account and move the page. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 17:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Заблокирован я ... очевидно, наглыми дебилами !
+ "При вопросах можете обратиться к участнику Викизавр. — 12:16, 21 ноября 2023 (UTC)" _ уже не могу прямо к нему обратиться. _ Имею диплом инженера технолога по резине, и удивясь слабой здесь статье "ЭЛАСТОМЕР" пытался дополнить её серьёзными сведениями об этом материале, вечно неразлучном с каждым человеком - от игрушек, резинок трусов, шин вело-авто-авиа - транспорта, ... ... и неизменном участнике в агрегатных веществах, например, при пересечения колесом лужи : жидкость, твёрдое тело обода и газа в оболочке из эластомера в основе.

_ Очевидно, я разошёлся с ублюдками в понимании Википедии - энциклопедии, поддерживаемой на современном уровне её УЧАСТНИКАМИ.

_ На главной странице Википедии нужно иметь ОЖИДАНИЕ улучшения и новых статей с безупречным ОБОСНОВАНИЕМ, мгновенно размещаемым, и сопровождаемым укорами в слабом обосновании, что ставит метку "для удаления", если это верно и будет улучшения. Но блокировать дебилам всё равно недопустимо. Виктор Рахман (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Machine translation:
 * I was blocked... obviously by arrogant morons!
 * + “If you have questions, you can contact the Wikisaurus member. - 12:16, November 21, 2023 (UTC)” _ I can no longer contact him directly. _ I have a diploma as a rubber technologist, and, surprised by the weak article “ELASTOMER” here, I tried to supplement it with serious information about this material, always inseparable from every person - from toys, elastic bands of panties, tires for bicycles, cars, air transport, .... .. and an invariable participant in aggregate substances, for example, when a wheel crosses a puddle: liquid, solid body of the rim and gas in an elastomer shell at the base.
 * _ Obviously, I disagreed with the bastards in their understanding of Wikipedia - an encyclopedia maintained at the modern level by its PARTICIPANTS.
 * _ On the main page of Wikipedia, you need to have an EXPECTATION for improvement and new articles with an impeccable JUSTIFICATION, instantly posted, and accompanied by reproaches for weak rationale, which puts a mark "for deletion" if this is true and there will be improvements. But blocking morons is still unacceptable. Victor Rakhman Tollens (talk) 12:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You appear to have been blocked at the Russian Wikipedia, a completely different project than the English Wikipedia. None of us are able to help effectively with matters there, you should instead continue to engage with the administrators there. Additionally, please try to communicate in English, or provide a machine translation if you cannot – very few of us speak Russian.
 * Машинный перевод: Вас, похоже, заблокировали в русской Википедии, совершенно другом проекте, чем английская Википедия. Никто из нас не может эффективно помочь там с делами, вместо этого вам следует продолжать взаимодействовать с тамошними администраторами. Кроме того, постарайтесь общаться на английском языке или, если не можете, предоставьте машинный перевод — очень немногие из нас говорят по-русски. Tollens (talk) 12:12, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * _ Знаю только родной язык. _ Но мне ине и не требуется помощь от
 * русских дебилов! _ А им ... никто сможет помочь.
 * Росvотрите :
 * https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wh26VWtwsKG-VVnUE1QiLCwhdkqW6TJK/view?usp=drive_link
 * - ```` Виктор Рахман (talk) 12:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Machine translation:
 * _I only know my native language. _But I don’t even need help from
 * Russian morons! _And... no one can help them.
 * View:
 * (link) Tollens (talk) 12:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * is this about the english wikipedia?
 * речь идет о английской википедии? ltb d l (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * _ Искал нормального админа на русской, но СВОЛОЛОЧИ меня заблокировали,
 * так что нашёл я вариант только через Чайхану ... дать информацию ... . Виктор Рахман (talk) 14:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * the english wikipedia can't do anything about the russian wikipedia.
 * английская википедия ничего не может сделать с русской википедией.
 * i'm using machine translation, by the way.
 * кстати, я использую машинный перевод. ltb d l (talk) 14:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * К сожалению, мы в английском проекте Википидии не можем помогать тебе на русском проекте. У каждый язычный проект есть автономия в делах администрации. Тебе надо запрашивать помощь на русском проекте, либо Metawiki . signed,Rosguill talk 14:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Спасибо! Помощь не нужна. Виктор Рахман (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * кстати, я использую машинный перевод. ltb d l (talk) 14:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * К сожалению, мы в английском проекте Википидии не можем помогать тебе на русском проекте. У каждый язычный проект есть автономия в делах администрации. Тебе надо запрашивать помощь на русском проекте, либо Metawiki . signed,Rosguill talk 14:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Спасибо! Помощь не нужна. Виктор Рахман (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Спасибо! Помощь не нужна. Виктор Рахман (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Website on BLP
I am looking at Taylor Swift's page and it includes her own website of www.taylorswift.com, what is the WP policy regarding having someone's own website within their infobox of their WP page? Iljhgtn (talk) 17:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Iljhgtn, welcome to the Teahouse! The guideline is at WP:ELOFFICIAL and is permitted.  Qcne  (talk)  17:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Paragraph break in lead section
Hi Wikipedians - I recently edited the Intimate relationship page, and I’m having trouble inserting a paragraph break in the lead section. I have inserted a break while editing, but then when I publish the page it just looks like a big block of text. Is there some code I can input to force a paragraph break? I didn’t have problems creating paragraphs in the rest of the article so I am confused! If anyone else is able to input one, I'm trying to start a new paragraph right before: "The course of an intimate relationship . . . "

Thank you! A.mollusk (talk) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Problem solved, thank you to a helpful editor :) A.mollusk (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why, but inserting a newline before the first paragraph fixed it. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 18:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Modifying an edit summary
I modified a draft article, and my edit summary left out something important. Is there a way to modify the summary? I'm not seeing one. Johsebb (talk) 18:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. There is no means to alter an edit summary. If needed, you can edit the draft talk page to provide an explanation, or you may make a "dummy edit"(usually adding a space to the draft) and use that edit summary. 331dot (talk) 19:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Johsebb (talk) 19:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Should I just merge an article that no one edited recently?
Wikipedia guidlines say that you should reach consensus, but this article Southwest Transitway (Winnipeg) hasn't been edited since 2021 except for one bot and I think it should be merged into the section about it in Winnipeg RT. I don't think a consensus can be reached anywhere near soon and don't see any good reason anyone would object. Should I just be bold? OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 16:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, @OrdinaryGiraffe, and welcome to the Teahouse! That nobody has edited it recently doesn't necessarily mean that nobody is interested in discussing whether it should be merged. I'd follow the procedure for proposing a merge, and wait about a week before going through with the merge if nobody objects. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you. OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 16:18, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * P.S. Should I post it on the talk page of Winnipeg RT as well, or just Southwest Transitway (Winnipeg)? OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 16:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The usual practice is to discuss on the talk page of the article you want to merge into, and add merge from and merge to to the actual articles. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought it was the other way around. Thank you. OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 16:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:MERGEPROP is the process, and indeed the discussion goes on the destination page. DMacks (talk) 19:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Is this article ready for submission, if not what could I improve?
Draft:The Jackson 5 Second National Tour Thealt3786 (talk) 18:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Thealt3786: I added three unreferenced section tags to help you. I also suggest that each reference has (at a minimum) a magazine/publisher/website/work and a title parameter with a name that doesn't duplicate the magazine/publisher/website/work.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

copy references for a list?
Hi there,

I'm making a list: Draft:List of earliest tools and their use. I worked hard to make sure each item either has its own references, or links to another wikipedia page, but not both. I figure the other wikipedia pages have their own references and if I copy them, my list's references will just get out of date while the in-depth wikipedia pages' references get updated over time. But my reviewer rejected my draft for not including its own references for each item. How do you suggest I handle this? Should I just copy the references and never mind the issue of getting out of date? Or is there a better way to link to the in-depth wikipedia pages for a list? Or some other option I haven't thought of?

Thanks!

- Jon Jonrbrix (talk) 20:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, @Jonrbrix, and welcome to the Teahouse! The relevant guideline here is WP:LISTVERIFY, according to which lists need to follow the same standards for verifiability as other articles. Consider that even if an article on the list were to be updated, the list would need to be updated separately anyway. Also, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. So yes, do cite sources in lists, too. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 20:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Maddy from Celeste!! Will do. Jonrbrix (talk) 20:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Image from JSTOR
I want to use an image in JSTOR for a Wikipedia article. It is unclear to me if I am allowed to. The image is here. TwoScars (talk) 16:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like the answer is no - https://about.jstor.org/terms/#prohibited-use - no commercial use = no use on wikipedia. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks TwoScars (talk) 17:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @TwoScars A better bet might be to contact the Museum that holds the original: this image and these terms. Museums are often helpful in providing images etc. for Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do. TwoScars (talk) 17:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. I will contact CMOG to see if I can use it, find a different source, or not have an image. TwoScars (talk) 22:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I would just upload a screen shot of it on commons and say it’s your own photo. They usually don’t look very much into uploads, but it you think it’s going to be a problem you could also upload a few of them from different accounts. They won’t be able to find them all. Kojavak (talk) 01:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please stop wading into discussions you are not qualified to participate in. This is dangerously wrong advice: commons:Commons:Licensing and WP:SOCK are both taken seriously.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you please cite the policy that prohibits me from participating? Kojavak (talk) 01:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The advice you gave is blatantly wrong. In the case of the teahouse, Teahouse/Become a host requires that you have at least 500 edits. More generally, the persistent giving of bad or incorrect advice could be construed as disruptive editing.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That’s great, except I never claimed to be a host. So, where is the policy that prohibits me from answering questions? Kojavak (talk) 02:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Stop wikilawyering. Consistently giving bad advice, whether intentional or not, is unconstructive and thus disruptive. So is wasting the time of other editors who have to clean up after you.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , you have advised the OP to break the law, to ignore Wikipedia policy regarding copyright, and to use sockpuppets. You have given blatantly false information about how the people at Commons operate. Thats four pieces os seriously wrong advice in one short reply. I am required to assume good faith, but you make it difficult. Maproom (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * they're already blocked. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 16:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Radio call signs
I'm developing an interest for local radio and television stations. For infoboxes, they have a parameter for call sign meanings. I'm not really sure how people find the meaning of them, and I want to make sure I avoid original research. Thanks, Tarantula TM  (speak with me) (my legacy) 20:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @TrademarkedTarantula: Welcome to the Teahouse! Like every other piece of information in the article, the meaning for the call sign should be a published source.  You might find it on the station's web site, or in a magazine/newspaper article.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

What defines a "reliable source" on Wikipedia
Ok, I know what reliable means, but what are some sites that are classified as "reliable", according to Wikipedia? I got rejected for article becuase I didn't have "reliable sources", but what is the fine line between "reliable" and "not reliable"? I am just asking to improve my article.

Oh, and by the way, here is the link to my draft: Draft:Virgin Atlantic Flight 43

Thanks to everyone that can help,

Westwind51000 Westwind51000 (talk) 02:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * As you'll see on WP:RS, there is intentionally a "spectrum of reliability", you could say. Since the world of information is messy, certain types of sources and certain outlets are deemed reliable for certain purposes depending on context.
 * Keeping in mind aviation is not my field of expertise:
 * Simple Flying seems like it could be reliable: it has a stated fact checking policy, though I am troubled that it doesn't actually appear to say much about the process itself.
 * However, FlyerTalk seems less likely to be reliable, as it itself describes itself as a 'community' rather than a news outlet, and it doesn't appear to have any posted guarantees regarding the veracity of its information or its own sources. It may even be user-generated, based on how it presents itself, but I'm not sure.
 * Additionally, these sources could be considered marginally reliable within an article if they were used alongside other, diverse sources that were saying the same thing, but I do not think by themselves they provide adequate sourcing for an article. Try to locate sources from general news outlets, perhaps?
 * Remsense 留  02:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Remsense, I'm trying to find new sources right now Westwind51000 (talk) 02:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Westwind51000: See Reliable sources/Perennial sources for commonly discussed sources of varying reliability, and WikiProject Aviation/Resources for a list more specific to your draft. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Photographing of faceless people
On the page Billy Woods, a rapper who remains faceless. Though, a picture of him exists on Wikimedia Commons performing at a concert. I added this photo to the article’s infobox, but was removed by another editor, stating: “''Billy Woods historically wishes not to have images of his face posted or published. Every official depiction of him is covered or censored in some way, and putting up a photo like this is disrespectful to those wishes.''” The photo of Woods remains on Commons, but isn’t wanted on the article itself. What should I do? Roasted (talk) 02:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I have restored the image based on the policy language found at Wikipedia is not censored. We have an image of Baháʼu'lláh, the founder of a religion that strenuously opposes publication of that portrait. Also applicable is Ownership of content. This article does not belong to Woods or his fans. It is an article about Woods but he does not control it. Cullen328 (talk) 03:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I believe you may be in the right here, as Wikipedia is not censored. See also WP:PUBLICFIGURE.  Remsense  聊  03:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Roastedbeanz1 Remsense is correct: Wikipedia is not censored, so we don't remove pictures on the wish or whim of a subject or their followers. (Ummm, precedent is clear on that.) The way to proceed is also to discuss the matter at the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 03:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Roastedbeanz1 someone from my city is the same. He always wears a balaclava in public, in videos, and on TV, when he's with his crew. I have no idea why. However just over a year ago, his face could seen for 6 seconds in an episode of web-series by a world famous deejay, as the deejay arrived backstage at a festival, and they met each other. He probably didn't realise they were filming until it was too late.
 * When I can be bothered adding that web-series and it's 36 episodes so far to IMDB (and maybe Wikipedia in future, although I'll probably leave that to someone else), I'll be making sure I upload at least 1 screenshot of him with a tag to his profile.
 * He coincidentally looks like a fatter version of someone who made the news yesterday, as they were arrested and PAVA sprayed by the Metropolitan Police for no reason. Danstarr69 (talk) 05:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with article
Hi Wikipedians - I recently created a painter page and are having trouble finding out where is the inappropriate part. Can you help me identify it? Thank you! Rk9000 (talk) 20:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So, the primary issue, much more than the tone issue, which can be easily fixed, is the issue of the images. Wikipedia articles cannot host images if Wikipedia doesn't have the explicit right to do so, and none of those images seem like they have been properly licensed. Do you have any information on the source of each image? If they are not explicitly licensed in a way where they can be used, then copyright law mandates that they are under the exclusive copyright of the original author. Remsense  聊  20:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Having so many images also is overwhelming the article. I'm not sure if that is the "tone" issue someone else sees. But it gives a feel of using the article itself as a sort of exhibition. Instead the written text is the main type of content an article should have. Images should mainly be used to help support the words. DMacks (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see User:Tagishsimon has done some image-use cleanup. DMacks (talk) 21:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * They were the poster-child for "Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the below paragraphs or moved to Wikimedia Commons. " per WP:GALLERY. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Nice double (triple maybe?) ententre with "poster child". DMacks (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ding Rong, if this article makes into mainspace and lots of images are accepted on commons, we'd have a category on commons to collect them and then the enwiki article would automatically link to that cat there. DMacks (talk) 21:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is commons:Category:Rong Ding, to match the draft article-content. Rk9000, I know surname conventions vary among cultures and countries, but it's particularly confusing that "Rong Ding...also known as DING Rong" is at article-title "Ding Rong". WP:ZHNAME has the guideline for the page-name. If the name-order for the category should be switched, feel free to ask me, it's an easy task. DMacks (talk) 07:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a ticket in VRT for them, awaiting handling by the VRT volunteers. DMacks (talk) 21:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Noting that Rk9000 also today asked the tagger for a more detailed explanation. That's definitely a great approach, and worth waiting a day or two for response. DMacks (talk) 20:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Rk9000: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at Draft:Ding Rong, I think you could add more information about each photo.  Where and when was the photo of Ding Rong taken?  Where and when was the exhibition described on the poster?   Where and when was the photograph of the exhibition taken?  Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with a Draft
I recently submitted an article, Draft:MBTA Kinki Sharyo Type 7, and it got denied due to an inadequate amount of secondary sources. Since the denial, I've added a few sources from what I interpret to be secondary, mainly hailing from the Boston Globe. I was wondering if these sources are actually considered secondary, or if their content pushes them into primary sources? I'd greatly appreciate feedback, thanks in advance! Archangelectra (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Archangelectra would have been great if you could name the sources themselves rather than force me to go to page history and look it up. sounds like a blog, and has two sentences on the specific vehicle.  is only a name-drop. The Boston Globe ones are paywalled, so I don't know if they contain significant coverage. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 02:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Regarding source 5, that's fair. I'll investigate further but you seem to be right. In source 6, it mentions how type 7 vehicles were auctioned off by the MBTA. And while I am not encouraging it, there are methods to bypass these paywalls, and I've seen several sources that have been paywalled in the past utilized on Wikipedia. Apologies regarding not naming the sources though, that's completely my fault. Apologies. Archangelectra (talk) 02:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Archangelectra. It is perfectly acceptable to cite sources behind paywalls, provided they are reliable and independent (see WP:PAYWALL). However it may mean that particular reviewers have difficulty checking them.
 * There are resources within Wikipedia to get access to content which is in some way restricted: see WP:RX and The Wikipedia Library. ColinFine (talk) 12:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Please help me get my article posted
recently I decided to create a page for my favorite ship class, and it continues to get rejected again and again.

It is because of insufficient sources, but in of the sources is holland america itself! Gulf of mind (talk) 03:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Gulf of mind: Welcome to the Teahouse! As stated on the top of the draft, you will need to provide multiple independent sources.  I don't think the Fincanteri and Fred Olsen Cruise Lines web pages would count as independent sources. GoingBatty (talk) 04:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . When you write, that indicates that you do not yet understand that acceptable Wikipedia articles mostly summarize what completely independent  sources say about the topic. The sort of sources that you mentioned are not independent of the topic, and are therefore of no value in establishing the notability of the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 07:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Gulf of mind. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 12:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I'm having problems with editing Xandersmaster123 (talk) 09:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You edited Languages of Israel to state that German is the first or second language of every Israeli. German was a common language circa 1947, but no longer. Your edits were reverted. If you believe your changes were true (they are not) then you needed to provide references as the same time. As a general principle, once reverted, editors are advised to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article rather than ask here at Teahouse. David notMD (talk) 09:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You did it again. Stop or you risk being indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 13:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

can/should new users remove "this article needs work" type template boxes?
Hello, I'm a new editor who has worked on two existing biography article pages -- Arden Eversmeyer and Susan Schulz -- that had been flagged as needing improvements, expansions, and updates. I've done this work, but because of my new-ness did not feel comfortable removing the "this article needs work" template boxes. In both cases I added a note to the Talk page asking for a more experienced editor to weigh in. Was this the right step for me to take? Or should I have just gone ahead and removed the template boxes? P.S. Susan Schulz's short explainer saying "American magazine editor" doesn't show up when you link to/search her name. Thank you LowellMillGirl (talk) 14:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi there are thousands upon thousands of articles that have these templates, so any help is appreciated. If you think the issues are no longer present, then go ahead and remove the tags. 15:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)  ~WikiOriginal-9~  ( talk ) 15:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll do that. LowellMillGirl (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

A draft was declined
I submitted Draft:Moa Ilar for review and it was declined, and I really can't understand why. One of the reasons was "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources.", there are references to news coverage in mainstream media in the article.

Another reason was "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article". It clearly shows that she's won a world cup race, and they are not just "passing mentions".

It's probably a bit academic by now since another user created an article about her, but I'd like to understand the reason. JonasB (talk) 15:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, JonasB. I don't see any of the articles that contain significant coverage of Ilar. No 1 is just statistics, and cannot contribute to notability. No 3 is mostly an interview, and cannot contribute to notability. The others could, but, as I say, I don't see them saying very much about her. ColinFine (talk) 17:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Biography Sources
hi! I am having trouble creating a page for the dean of my school of education, Elizabeth Moje. I edited from the original draft and should have 12+ sources, I just added a few more outside sources. How do I get my page posted? Yendys112233 (talk) 18:12, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you attempted to declare a COI- I fixed it for you- what is the general nature of your COI?
 * Please heed the advice left by reviewers. You have no independent reliable sources summarized in the draft article(the preferred term, not the broader "page"). Notability is not the issue, but you need independent sources summarized. 331dot (talk) 18:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't really have a COI except that she is the dean of the school I am currently in? I have never interacted with her on any level though, sorry I didn't even know I messed with the COI input! And okay makes sense with the sources, I will keep trying, thank you so much! Yendys112233 (talk) 18:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think you merely being a student at the school is a COI, especially if you don't communicate with her. 331dot (talk) 18:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

How do you add two different citations from the same site?
How do you add citations from the same site? For my draft: Draft:Virgin Atlantic Flight 43, I got my registration and investigation from the same site: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/172554. How do I add the citations for them both with one site without it not making sense?

Thanks to everyone that helps,

Westwind51000 Westwind51000 (talk) 03:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Westwind51000: Welcome to the Teahouse! See WP:NAMEDREF to learn how to use named references more than once in the same article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Westwind51000 It seems that the website in question is a wiki that can be edited by anyone. As such, it is of no use as a source for Wikipedia. For the same reason, Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

article naming for Harrogate Royal baths
I am planning to create a new article for Harrogate Turkish Baths. I have read the naming standards for architecture, but I am unsure how best to interpret them. In the Heritage England listing the building is simply named Royal Baths. When built they were called Harrogate Royal Baths. The current operators call it Harrogate Turkish Baths. As Royal Baths is a proper name should it be Title Case capitalised? Should the article just be called “Royal baths” or “Harrogate Royal baths”, or “Royal baths, Harrogate”? TIA 149.50.167.168 (talk) 18:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC) Forgot to sign in so this is me. Markmclellan (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Which is the most commonly used title is debatable. I'd be inclined to go with Royal Baths, Harrogate, per Historic England. It is a proper name - should be capitalised. Royal Baths currently rediects to Łazienki Park ... it can be changed into a disambiguation page. Other titles can be added as redirect pages. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I can happily go with your inclination. Now to read up about creating disambiguation pages and setting up redirects. Always something new to learn :-) Markmclellan (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Editing
how can I add a new page about some one Hlalvinator (talk) 19:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Hlalvinator: You will want to read Your first article, and determine whether or not this person is wikinotable. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Hlalvinator: Hi there! Expanding on the advice above, creating a new Wikipedia article can be quite challenging, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles.  To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction, and then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills.  Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability".  If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article and summarize what the sources have published, and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, declines, and rewrites before an article is created.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 20:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Reliable Sources
Draft:2024 ADCC World Championship is my article and it has been declined due to "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources."

As someone who is fairly well-versed in the subject matter, the sources I'm using are the most reliable in the field. Would appreciate advice on what to do here. Spyguy1503 (talk) 17:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Spyguy1503: Welcome to the Teahouse! Without evaluating any of the sources you provided, I see that the "ADCC 2024 Superfight" section does not have a reference.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Spyguy. I also haven't looked at your sources; but I know that sometimes people are misled by the standard message that used. The sources may be reliable, but are they also independent of the subject, and do they contain significant coverage of the subject? A source must meet all three of those criteria in order to count towards notability. ColinFine (talk) 17:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks ColinFine, I have reviewed the sources, and have found all of them to be reliable, all but one are independent (which just announces the date for a qualifying event.), and all are solely or almost solely focused entirely on the subject itself.
 * Thanks for your feedback. Spyguy1503 (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

How to stop IP users from vandalizing?
It seems that IP users can revert or edit maliciously. What is a way to stop them? Comintell (talk) 21:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Vandals may be reverted and reported to WP:AIV for blocking. If there is a sustained effort against a particular article, protection may be requested at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 21:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll add that it is generally appropriate to warn the editor in question before reporting them. Templated warnings for most cases can be found at WikiProject User warnings. You may also wish to install Twinkle, a script that makes reverting, warning, and reporting vandals easier. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 21:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Mapping not working
I was looking through Atlantic University Sport and saw that Memorial University is swimming in it's member map. I tried to shift it over other coordinates on the university itself but it still didn't work. Not a major issue, but is there anyway to fix this. 128.230.141.154 (talk) 21:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It seems to arise out of a 3 September 2023 edit by user:Palaeozoic99 on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Canada_Newfoundland_location_map.svg in which the user shrunk the map, leaving an invisible border around the image, thus screwing up geolocation on the map. I've reverted that edit, but the Atlantic University Sport page is still currently choosing to display the shrunk image rather than the reverted image, which I hope is a caching issue which will sooner or later clear. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, those are the.worst.maps.ever. Who on earth thought it would be a good idea to have three enormous maps in the article. smh. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * So, fixed, after a fashion. I've shrunk the maps & stuck them in a table. Memorial University is back on land. Someone with more table-fu than me might be able to make the table borders disappear, or otherwise improve the aesthetics. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

When a source seems reliable but isn't
had a source removed from an article for the reasoning "its unreliable" but did not come up in the unreliable sources blacklist.

What are best practices for knowing if a source is reliable or not (if its not clearly obvious?) Should we go by source size, prominence, etc.? Any tools or resources or advice would be great! Comintell (talk) 21:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Comintell. See Reliable sources for an explanation. It starts out saying Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Size, how prominent a source is, etc are independent of reliability. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So basically, if they have not published factual inaccuracies, it's reliable? How is reputation defined? Thanks! Comintell (talk) 22:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . A reliable publication will have a list of their top editorial staff and an explanation of their editorial policies. The reputation comes from what other reliable sources independent of the publication say about the publication. Do they praise the publication or criticize it? Does the publication regularly publish corrections? Everyone makes mistakes and admitting mistakes is important. Has the publication won notable journalistic awards? These are some of the indicators of reliability. Cullen328 (talk) 22:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is very helpful thanks. Comintell (talk) 22:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Monterey, California infobox and History wording: would the Bay have been named before the City or vice versa?
I want to make sure I am not making any edits that would seem like they are in bad faith. I couldn’t decide between the two. As I am not a expert, per se, on the distinction, I’m also considering putting this on a relevant WikiProject’s talk space, but I would appreciate it if I could have some general sentiment here.

Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 22:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, .The bay was renamed named "Puerto Monterey", which means "Port of Monterey" in 1602. The city was founded in 1770, and so it is clear that the city was named after the bay that it is located on. I am also not an expert but have been there quite a few times. Cullen328 (talk) 22:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I reverted my previous change, so it shouldn’t be an issue from this point on! Thanks! Maccore Henni user talk Respond using tb, please. 23:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

For creating a new page
Hi guys,

I am making a draft: Draft:Leo Li Meng. Did I get rejected because of too little content and unreliable citations? But I choose articles from well-known sites. Can I cite Wikipedia page in other languages? Atobesmile (talk) 22:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Not sure, but looking at the article it might be because you really didn't right anything about him except this one occurrence. To make it more complete, include stuff like his early life, for example. --ISometimesEatBananas (talk) 23:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks so much!!! Atobesmile (talk) 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Atobesmile: Welcome to the Teahouse! The editor who declined your draft (not rejected, which would be worse) left a notice on the top of the draft (and on your user talk page) explaining why they declined your draft.  The only English source you provided is a press release, which is not an independent source.  It is OK to use non-English sources, but I'm not going to comment on the quality of sources in languages I cannot read.  Are your other sources independent?  Do they provide significant coverage of Leo Li Meng?  You may not use Wikipedia articles in other languages as sources, per WP:CIRCULAR.  However, you may choose to incorporate the independent published reliable sources from Wikipedia articles in other languages in your draft.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I looked up some recognized sources from Wikipedia in other languages and re-edited them. Do you think these are considered independent sources? I have read Independent sources, but i still have some confused. Thanks!:) Atobesmile (talk) 00:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Switching user name
Hey, I've been thinking about switching up my username. I've got something else in mind that I reckon would be way cooler. Any idea how I can make that happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManOnTheMoon92 (talk • contribs) 09:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! There are many ways to change your username on Wikipedia. The first, and easiest would be to fill out a simple form! It is the Global Rename request form. From that link, all you need to do is fill out your new username, as well as why you want to change it, and someone will be around to change it soon! You can also check CentralAuth and type the username you would want to see if it is already taken. Happy editing! -- LemonSlushie 🍋 (talk) (edits) 10:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The easiest way to change your username, would be to stop using it, to start using your new username, and then to announce on your new userpage that you were previously "ManOnTheMoon92". This way you'd take up none of anybody else's time. (If you'd already made hundreds or thousands of edits, it would be a different matter, but you've been editing for less than two weeks and have made just 47 edits.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Quite an unfriendly response. The user is obviously new, as you yourself state. This is a place for learning, which is also obvious. Let's keep the inquisitive spirit alive.


 * Thank you for such an informative and helpful reply. You are a strong example of what makes a collaborative tool like this so great! -- Brhiba (talk) 00:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

My article is getting rejected I need an help!
Ive been trying it for a whole day. They keep rejected my article even though i have added major sources - references. 182.190.213.219 (talk) 22:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft is only declined, not rejected. You need to format the references properly and place them in line with the text they are supporting, please see Referencing for Beginners. You have also written the draft in the style of an essay and not an encyclopedia article. Writing a new article is very challenging; it's usually recommended that your first edit existing articles, to get a feel for what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Have you seen my article ? What changes should be made ? And do i need to make my article shorter ? 182.190.213.219 (talk) 22:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you help me my article that will be acceptable for wikipedia ? Will appreciate it 182.190.213.219 (talk) 22:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Fix for me * 182.190.213.219 (talk) 22:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Have you read the comments? You have repeatedly re-submitted without addressing the issues. Theroadislong (talk) 22:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Issue isnt about needing more references? I thought they weren't accepting my given references ? 182.190.213.219 (talk) 22:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You have dumped all your references at the end of the article it is very difficult for reviwers to work out which content is supported by them. Theroadislong (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah i see. Ill fix them tommorow thanks man. Once im used to it ill have no issues for now being a beginner we keep pushing lol 182.190.213.219 (talk) 23:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi appears to be the draft article referred to. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The draft does not make it clear what its subject's name was. It does not tell us his nationality. It is not written in neutral language, but is excessively adulatory. And above all, it cites no sources. Maproom (talk) 08:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ill fix that! Thanks. 182.190.213.219 (talk) 08:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Heyy. Someone can help me fix article lines ?
Im having troubling by putting references properly. Someome can look into my article + fix some errors will appreciate seniors 182.190.213.219 (talk) 10:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I have added some more refferences but needs helps to set them properly in a section of * early life amd education 182.190.213.219 (talk) 11:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I presume you mean Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi? - X201 (talk) 11:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * YES exactly 182.190.213.219 (talk) 11:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Seniors i need assistance. 182.190.213.219 (talk) 12:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Someone can fix my article citations
My article Need help to improve its citations Any senior here please? Will appreciate it truely [ added by 182.190.213.219 Seems to be about Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi if anyone is interested. Already declined 7 times. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:32, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Need some assistance with fixing some citations.
Really tired. It took me over 48 hours to write and set things but still i need seniors helps to set some minor settings 182.190.213.219 (talk) 18:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! There are over 100,000 articles with citations that need to be fixed (see Help:CS1 errors).  Are you asking for assistance with any specific article? GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Jeraxmoira (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you User:SaneFlint? Is there any particular reason you are editing without logging in?
 * With regards to the article, you need to remove all the unsourced content first or create the article forward instead of creating it backward. See Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles forward and Help:Your first article Jeraxmoira (talk) 19:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes thats saneflint
 * Im not logging it in order to recieve replies i get as im writing without username. I may not recieve replies in logged account 182.190.213.219 (talk) 19:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added sources on every article. Just needs help to set some references/ citations. Otherwise every information is there. This is why im seeking to get some assitamce from seniors:) 182.190.213.219 (talk) 19:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think I'm not properly able to fit them on lines. Idk but still lesrning and improving over all. 182.190.213.219 (talk) 19:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For example: "He was born in his ancestrial village Pir Jhando near Saeedabad Tehsil, Sindh" has no citation attached to it for the AfC reviewer to verify. Every statement you make should follow with a citation or should include a citation at the end of the paragraph at least. You can also cite the same reference again by using the "Re-use" option in the cite popup. Once you improve the article, ask the last AfC reviewer for his thoughts on the article before submitting it again. Jeraxmoira (talk) 20:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I had posted referenced arrticles which states these information. And before submitting you mean i can write here ? 182.190.213.219 (talk) 20:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please take some time and go through WP:MINREF first. And not here but at the Articles for Creation reviewer's talk page. In this case, it is User:Seawolf35. Jeraxmoira (talk) 20:22, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes i find it helpful to ask things here. Still learning 182.190.213.219 (talk) 20:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The main purpose of Teahouse is to help the newcomers. Whether logged in or not, users can expect to receive replies to all their questions. See WP:LOGGEDOUT Jeraxmoira (talk) 20:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

My article is pending I need some seniors assistance
Seniors told me to make some changes. I need little bit of assistance to make it better SaneFlint (talk) 13:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Your draft Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi has been declined 10 times for lack of notability, you have re-submitted today. Please be patient. Theroadislong (talk) 13:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, in the starting i faced some issues as being beginner it took me lots of time to improve. There is mentioned that i can submit for review then can make edits to improve while leaving it for submission maybe that's why I had submitted quickly before. But now I'm.good with it or way better :)
 * Sure, i will wait for the review. Thanks alot. SaneFlint (talk) 13:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I had resubmitted earlier in the morning with more proper referencing. Each information has its citations and are easy to understand.++ SaneFlint (talk) 14:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Fam. Looking for some assistance please
I have wrote an article about a prominent religious scholar of 19 century. Hes very well known in sind. Professors and other government organisations are publishing books on his name in sindhi and urdu. But the issue is with writing an article for English audience. This one is not easy for weatern audience to fully understand i know this.

Now, lets go back to issue.

I was asked that ive wrote praisings for that notability even though i just used them as references which were from some prominent notable sxholars as well. So the issue is how do i turn that praising type reference into netutal tone one? As it's brining troubles for my hard work. I shouldn't write that or just publish book numbers instead of words of other historian's? SaneFlint (talk) 12:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link: Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi
 * The editor readily admits that English is not their first language, and that this may be an obstacle for them in reducing the draft from a paean of praise to a neutral and acceptable draft.
 * What they would find valuable is a competent editor to go through the draft and help them to précis it and flatten its tone prior to a submission for review of am excellent draft or the simple move to Mainspace once it is seen as ready.
 * Courtesy ping to @SaneFlint 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thats what i am expecting from Teahouse. 🙂 i hope so SaneFlint (talk) 13:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @SaneFlint: Hi there! Encyclopedias (even Wikipedia) contain fact-based articles without praising the subject.  There may be people who think that this person was a "prominent Islamic scholar", while others might think he was not prominent.  However, if you remove the word "prominent", I'm sure you can find a reference that states he was an Islamic scholar.  Go through every sentence and remove all the language like "instrumental" and "Embracing the mission with great responsibility" and leave just the facts.  Then make sure each fact can be traced to a published reliable source.  How will the reviewer confirm facts such as "He studied at Madirsah Dar-ul-Rashad" or "Syed Ehsanullah Shah Rashidi managed the library from 1923 to 1937." I hope this helps you.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi.i agree with it. Those sentences you pointed out are replaced with more easy words. Plus reference will tell about his studies in Dar Ul Rashad. Also it tells from which time period he managed library till privy court disputed case etc.
 * You can review it again thanks. SaneFlint (talk) 21:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Moved the above five sections under another Teahouse section on the same draft. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Total Commitment Del Shannon Album review
what's book in Billboard is Total Commitment Del Shannon Album review? Samchristie05 (talk) 00:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, Samchristie05, but I cannot parse this question. However, it does seem to be about Del Shannon, or about one of his LPs. It doesn't seem to be about the use of Wikipedia, which is the purpose of this page. You might rephrase your question and ask it at Reference desk/Entertainment. -- Hoary (talk) 01:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * alright, but what's need more work on article Total Commitment Del Shannon Album? Samchristie05 (talk) 01:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , who declined Draft:Total Commitment, might care to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 01:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks for pinging me! I just want to echo what Timtrent said. The overall tone of the article needs to be edited a bit to be more encyclopedic. You can look at other Wikipedia articles and how they describe things to get an idea of how to do this. BuySomeApples (talk) 02:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Samchristie05: Welcome to the Teahouse! I think you are working on Draft:Total Commitment, and looking for a source published by Billboard Books that reviews the Total Commitment album.  I don't know the answer, but you can try the Reference desk for help finding references.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Samchristie05 Hi, if English is not your first language, you might be more successful contributing to aWikipedia that is in another language. Ca talk to me! 02:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

What 3 thing i need to short out
@Timtrent, What 3 thing i need to short out on Del Shannon Total Commitment? Samchristie05 (talk) 20:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , this appears to be a question for you. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Samchristie05 The tone! Please read and understand the advice you have been given and then implement the solution. We require flat, neutral prose. You have written a magazine article, but not one for an encyclopaedia.
 * @Cordless Larry Thanks for the ping. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * courtesy ping @Samchristie05. The sections were combined and you may be struggling to find the answers. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * i just did i hope it gets approved w/o no violation Samchristie05 (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Re: Entry on William Rimmer (artist).
I'd like to change the placement of note # 1 to the end of the previous sentence so that it follows the date 1860. I'm having trouble. Also, if possibe, can I add an image? If necessary, it could replace one of the images already there such as his photograph. The new image is in the public domain and is Rimmer's Falling Gladiator. See: americanart.si.edu/artwork/falling-gladiator-20966. It's the initial image. I'd be grateful for any help. Thanks for your attention. WHAM 2004 really halped me already. DEvans2 (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * His photo should not be replaced. The article is about him, not his work. I've added an image, and moved the ref. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry Telugu Funerals
I am Angry for Accidentally Refusing to Post these Questions online Years Ago:

1. Sorry in Reality, after Telugu Husband dies, Is Wife supposed To take Off Red Dot from her Forehead before Funeral etc?

2. Sorry in Reality, after Telugu Husband dies, Is Wife supposed To wear White Clothing before Funeral etc?(117.213.227.6 (talk) 04:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)).


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse (and talk pages) are only for questions related to editing Wikipedia, as Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. You might want to ask your question somewhere else, or ask another Wikipedia-related question at the Teahouse. 2NumForIce  (<sup style="color:#007eb3">speak  &#124; edits) 04:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You might also want to see Reference desk for information about an article's subject (it works like a library's reference desk). Other than that, you should ask non-Wikipedia related questions somewhere else. 2NumForIce  (<sup style="color:#007eb3">speak  &#124; edits) 04:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Article Page declined
Hi

I need a help to live an article page. Wikipedia declined and if anyone can understand what I exactly do to remove the mistakes and resubmit.

Thank you

User:KPSPayyanadam/sandbox KPSPayyanadam (talk) 05:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @KPSPayyanadam: Welcome to the Teahouse! There is a lot of good information at the top of your draft, with links you can click on for more details.  Two big points are the lack of multiple independent sources and the lack of inline citations.  See WP:EASYREFBEGIN for a video on how to add your references properly. GoingBatty (talk) 06:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Some clean-up performed. The refs need to be inserted into the text and also need to be not naked UTLs. David notMD (talk) 07:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * For a biography of a living person, all factual statements must be verified by references. In the draft there are lists plays, but no verification via references that these plays exist. The listed awards (not referenced) appear to be minor/local, and thus do not establish notability. David notMD (talk) 07:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * KPSPayyanadam, the draft is about a gentleman named KPS Payyanadam. Either (A) you are KPS Payyanadam and this is an autobiography, or (B) you seem to be an imposter. Neither is at all desirable here in English-language Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

"best known for" in leads of biography
Is it acceptable to use the phrase X is best known for Y in the lead of a biographical article? Or is it a form of original analysis? The practice is widespread and done on many articles. Even when the sources do not explicitly say "best known for", often a subject's notability is established as a result of what they are "best known" for. It could be seen as an opinion, but also often a self evident opinion. What do editors think? (Edit: given the comment below, clarifying that I asked because I have been reverted for using the term myself here). Zenomonoz (talk) 06:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I do not have strong feelings one way or another about this phrase, but you should be aware that there is a person who has been banned from Wikipedia because they created significant disruption for many years about "best known for" wording. This person is totally obsessed with this particular phrase, so I encourage you to proceed with great caution. This abusive person has made it very difficult to have productive conversations about this phrase. Please read Long-term abuse/Best known for IP until you get bored or tired. Cullen328 (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh. Lol. I came here after a user removed my addition of 'best known for' here. And then said I was doing "synth" for using the phrase. Edit: It looks like they're an established editor though, so I'm guessing it's unrelated. Zenomonoz (talk) 10:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I prefer not to use "best known for" phrasing, and I've edited articles to remove it in the past. It is sometimes self-evident and sometimes wild speculation, and it's hard for readers unfamiliar with the topic to know the difference without explicit support from sources. We also can presume that our readers will know that we are placing the most important information about our subjects in the lead, especially the first paragraph. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, very helpful. Sounds reasonable. I'll start avoiding using the term myself. Zenomonoz (talk) 21:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Firefangledfeathers It's difficult. Virtually everyone in Eric H. Cline's field would say he's best known for his work on the Bronze Age, ie his book 1177 B.C. and his newer book After 1177 B.C. but looking again I guess the only fix is to enlarge the lead to cover some of his works and awards. On the other hand, it's a blue sky statement for those in the field. Doug Weller  talk 10:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

my thing got declined can someone help me make it? i have the source
my thing got declined can someone help me make it? i have the source Khalidthebalidthe calid (talk) 06:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * the draft is about to be deleted. ltb d l (talk) 07:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It has now been deleted. Quote: . Khalidthebalidthe calid, I think you are at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 07:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . If the thing you're referring to is Draft:Osama Alsayed, then it's way WP:TOOSOON to be trying to create an Wikipedia article that person. What you're going to need to establish is the Alsayed meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) or Wikipedia:Notability (sports), and it appears that Alsayed has quite a ways to go before you or anyone else is able to do that. Just from reading the draft, it kind of seems that you're mistaking Wikipedia for social media or a personal website. Perhaps you should take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for a general idea as to what kinds of subjects are considered OK to write about on Wikipedia. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Alternative outlets for some wesbites which might be better suited to what you're trying to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I see the editor was blocked for continually adding unsourced content. Doug Weller  talk 10:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

About publishing a new page. How do I get my page posted
I have written a whole page about someone I know and clicked on "Publish". I have added necessary citations and respective references. How much time it would take to get it on Wikipedia/ how much time it takes to be viewed by everyone.

Adding link of the page below:-

https://w.wiki/8D4y Cmfsumeetjain (talk) 09:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is largely a volunteer effort on the ground, so the answer would be 'when someone gets around to it'.
 * However, it is generally strongly discouraged for you to write or edit articles about people you know, or subjects close to you, for that constitutes a conflict of interest. Undisclosed conflicts of interest are often not allowed, moreover, and you've only incidentally disclosed yours. If you do want to continue editing about subjects close to you, which is discouraged as I've said, it's good form to state your conflict of interest on your user page.
 * Looking at the article, there still appears to be potential notability problems, as there are a preponderance of primary sources, and almost none of the secondary sources appear to actually be about the subject of the article, or mention them specifically. I would recommend reading the pages I've linked above, as well as this one, on what we consider to be a reliable source. Remsense  留  09:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Cmfsumeetjain Your draft at User:Cmfsumeetjain/sandbox has statements like Ashish Kumar Singh is an accomplished civil servant and public administration expert. Says who? You have not cited a source for this assertion, as is required by our policy on biographies. Make sure you provide inline citations for all your text, or the draft will rapidly be declined. It would be sensible to read this essay and this one for advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Sharing academic research on a specific topic that my deceased husband devoted hus academic life too.
It is called Social Structures of Accumulation,  about waves and troughs in the economy over time. 2A01:B340:60:A1A8:5CE9:D42E:92B:FB84 (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you believe that there should be a Wikipedia article about your husband or his area of research you can attempt to do that yourself. However, such a task is extremely difficult for new editors, and you would be required to declare a conflict of interest. If he or his topic are truely notable, in time someone with no connection to him may create such, but there is no useful way of posting a request at Wikipedia for someone to take up the task. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * IP editor: we have a (poor) article on capital accumulation which sounds as though it is closely related to the topic; or reading that page may suggest to you other Wikipedia articles where your husband's research could be used as citations, assuming they were published in reliable sources. It would be much easier to contribute via existing articles than to create a new one from scratch. Note the template edit COI (click for details) that you can use on article Talk Pages to make suggestions for additions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This article 10.1177/0486613403255542 and this book for example, are well-cited reviews. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for sharing this, I am myself touched by this gesture, though I am unfamiliar presently with the subject matter as of yet: this is a wonderful seed to be able to plant in honor of your loved one. The beautiful thing about academia is advances and catalyzation often happens when and where one least expects, so take it to heart that putting his work out there is already a wonderful tribute to his memory and life's work. I hope this finds you well. Remsense  留  13:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You may be interested in Wikpedia's sister project, Wikiversity. Uploading some of his research could potentially get more people interested in it as a field. Potentially you could get a former colleague of his to help you organize his notes for (online) print? Good wishes to you.
 * Canguild (talk) 14:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit Template:Jcon
Hello, I noticed that Template:Jcon might need to be slightly altered (it's not linking to Ottawa City Road articles); however it's protected. I am an Extended confirmed user but am still unable to edit it. Is someone able to provide some assistance?

Thank you. MuzikMachine (talk) 23:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That template is only semi-protected. I am also extended-confirmed and am able to edit it, so it should not be a problem for you.  It looks like all the code is actually in Module:Jcon but that is also only semi-protected.  What error are you seeing when you try to edit? RudolfRed (talk) 01:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @RudolfRed: There we go, thank you! The error I was going to look at was where Ottawa City Roads link to; Template:Jcon seems to be linking them to 'Ottawa City Road %' (i.e. Ottawa City Road 174 / ), while the Ottawa numbered road articles are titled 'Ottawa Road %' (i.e. Ottawa Road 174). I was just wanting to look under the hood to see what the best solution might be. MuzikMachine (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Entry on William Rimmer (artist)
I need help, if possible, with two cross references to Wikipedia articles. See the 6th paragraph in the Rimmer entry, listing the artists: Daniel Chester French, Anne Whitney and John LaFarge. The last two have their own wikipedia entries. French is the most famous of the three but, through oversight, has no Wikipedia entry. Can someone make the cross-references for me? Many thanks. DEvans2 (talk) 13:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * DEvans2 I don't see any mention of any of the three on William Rimmer (music). Is this the article you are talking about? Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 13:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps William Rimmer? - UtherSRG (talk) 14:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup, this looks like the article in question. Are you asking how to make a link? Just surround the word/name in and  braces. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll do that. DEvans2 (talk) 14:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * DEvans2 See Help:Linking, has a more detailed guide. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 14:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Re: Wm Rimmer (artist)
 * I began the brackets and that was enough to illuminate the names with apparently a cross link. All three students are on Wikipedia.  I guess that's enough.  Thanks so much to all of you. DEvans2 (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, Rimmer, the artist. I think someone else is helping. DEvans2 (talk) 14:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

IP blocking
My account operates with an underlying school IP. Recently there was a 31 hour block on the underlying IP for vandalism (from another student). If this happens again, would I be autoblocked from editing? What should I do if that happens?

Thanks, Pear 2.0 (say hi!) 14:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * A block on a school IP was probably anon-only, which means that registered users can still log in and edit. You get autoblocks with vandal accounts. An autoblock is possible, though in my experience it's not very common for a school to use a single IP address, and have a vandal account and a good faith editor account on it within the same 24 hour period (see WP:AUTOBLOCK for details). If it happens, which it does sometimes, you can try using the unblock-auto template, which should be presented to you in the block message that you'll see. Admin response times may vary. If you get autoblocked a lot you could pester a checkuser for IP block exemption (and maybe some extra vandal account blocking on the school IP). -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I checked the block log - looks like there's a 5 year anon-only block I didn't notice so thankfully I probably won't have to worry about it. Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind in case something does come up. Pear 2.0 (say hi!) 15:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

recently asked question
On Nov 17 I asked a question about submitting a draft article for submission from a Word document. I was out of town and just got back to this forum and cannot locate the several helpful replies I got on Nov 17th. How do I find them now? Thank you. Legendt9455 (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Legendt9455: Hi there! Posts on this page are archived after several days of inactivity.  At the top of the page is a box you can use to search the archives.  When I searched for your user name, I found the post in Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1206.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you! Legendt9455 (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Reliable source to use to write an article about a K-pop idol
Is NME a reliable source that I can use to write an article about a K-pop idol? Sunshine Owl (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply! Sunshine Owl (talk) 20:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Training, choosing a career
Not certain if this is where this goes but I wasn't certain where else it would go either.

I've been poking around all the pages, trying to figure out what to sink my teeth into, and it seems there are several 'careers' of sorts (copyeditor, anti-vandalism, etc.) that one can go into. Some (most?) of these specialties seem to have groups of experienced mentors who will train new users in said 'career'. However, in exchange for their time commitment, they want the mentee to make a commitment of their own to being a dedicated member of that 'career'. I do understand, their time is valuable, but I don't want to promise to do something I don't know whether I'll like or even be any good at? And yes, most of them have a 'no absolute newbies' standard which I don't currently meet, but you do have to get to a certain level of skill at something to figure out if you actually dislike it or if you're just bad at doing it so you're constantly frustrated by your own inability to make what you desire reality.

So I guess, TLDR, if you don't want to make promises you can't keep, do you just teach yourself? And for future reference, how long does it generally to take whether you're still not proficient with a skill or whether you just dislike using it?

Canguild (talk) 18:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This would really depend on what you're interested in. If you want to try anti-vandalism work, I'd recommend installing WP:TWINKLE and patrolling Special:RecentChanges. For copyediting, see Category:Articles needing cleanup and try to help out. You can even try to clean up by subject. For article writing, you can try to improve an article about a hobby or area of interest. You can use WP:Teahouse/Suggestions for a list of articles to edit based on your interests. If you tell me what specific task you want to try out, I can help more.
 * It normally took an hour or two to see if something was interesting for me, but it may differ for you. It takes much longer to be proficient, depending on the activity. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  18:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I wasn't even entirely certain I'd learned the entire list of all possible career/task paths. If those are the main three, probably the easiest for me would be copyediting, but I definitely have some articles in mind I would like to write in the near(ish) future, so I'd like to leave room to pursue that. Then again, I don't want to not try anti-vandalism out, either, just because it'll always bother me if I never give it a shot. I guess I'll just start puttering away at things whenever I get the nerve.
 * Thanks for the info! Two hours is really fast, hopefully it goes even half that quickly for me. Canguild (talk) 19:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, those are the main three: writing/developing articles, copyediting articles, and protecting articles from vandalism. There are a variety of other niches (such as coding bots), but most require extensive knowledge of policy, extensive experience, and/or technical knowledge. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  20:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Speaking more generally: my experience has been more casual and less formal than what you've described. Without context, I infer that any "no absolute newbies" guideline can be about commitment, but experienced editors can and do leave, sometimes without warning. In my (perhaps unorthodox) view, the guideline is more about having a good grasp on mentee temperament: I can't tell how well you take constructive criticism or how bold of an editor you if you've just joined and have barely touched any articles.
 * In that vein: what I've found served me well personally is the ability to listen, accept being wrong, walk away, and follow WP:BRD. That applies whether you're adding content or fixing date formats. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see! That makes sense.
 * The older I get, the more I find it returns to when you were a toddler: If you find yourself getting too worked-up, a time-out (or even a good nap) may be the only productive solution.
 * Canguild (talk) 19:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In addition to the helpful advice above, I might recommend just being straightforward with the people you're asking for help. You could post on the talkpage of one of those experienced editors saying that you are considering trying out a certain task, but aren't sure yet if you'll like it, and then just ask if they would mind answering questions that arise for you even if you might not be doing this task in the long term. They might say they'd rather not, but my guess is that most people who have volunteered to help new people learn a task would say yes to that question. - Astrophobe  (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Astrophobe Hmm, I see. To be honest it seems a bit nervewracking, but as they say - if you venture nothing you gain nothing. I'd probably be better off making myself look like a more worthwhile candidate for their limited time first, though. Canguild (talk) 19:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's understandable, and certainly nobody can or will make you do it. But this is a collaborative encyclopedia, so I think whatever path you choose here, these kinds of interactions with others will be necessary. The good news is that you are already doing a great job of it here at the teahouse. :-) - Astrophobe  (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have pretty diverse interests in terms of what I do on Wikipedia, and at no point have I had a mentor. Then again, I'm the kind of person who from the outset surfed through all the WP:PAG they could find. Point is, if you're willing to do the reading up on your own, you can totally just try something out without having to look for a mentor. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 19:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel you there! I'm still browsing at the moment, I keep getting midway through an article and then coming to a term I can't proceed without understanding so I have to open it up in a new tab and then read that entire page, whereupon there is another term-- You get the picture. (Can you tell my ADHD is currently kicking my butt up and down the block?) Thanks for the reply! Canguild (talk) 19:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

A bit confused (as always)
I had been editing the Vesna Goldsworthy page. That has been completed. Today I received a link to her talk page: Talk:Vesna Goldsworthy: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia. Certainly I never wrote that I had AIDS, and that seems to have been deleted. Is this what the notice is telling me? Thanks. Oldsilenus (talk) 16:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Its just an IP Vandalism on the Talk page. But, it has been reverted by another user; So, no worries. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 16:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You say "I never wrote that I had AIDS". Does that mean you are Vesna Goldsworthy, the subject of the article? --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't interpret it like that; the claim appeared right below their signature. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 21:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, that's good to know, although I wasn't actually asking you for your interpretation, but was asking . --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks ever so much! for the answer.Oldsilenus (talk) 21:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Wondering how I should cite this
Hello! Writing an article and want to cite this article but am unsure how to as automatic citation doesn't work and it doesn't seem to fit the definition of any of the categories for manual citations. Any answers greatly appreciated :D Pothos144 (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how to teach you to do it, but I would be happy to cite it for you. Could you link the draft? UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 18:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Austroniidae here it is! Thank you for your reply  Pothos144 (talk) 19:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, added the citation for you! You can move it wherever you want if you remove it, it should stay. Best wishes, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @UnexpectedSmoreInquisition I don't think your edit was actually saved, my friend. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that, I probably would have closed it otherwise. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Server Error
I just encountered a Wikipedia Server Error and I'm not sure where to report about it. So, I decided to come here. The Screen was blanked and a message saying "503 Service Unavailable" was displayed, with additional text saying "No server is available to handle this request". Tried refreshing the page; but the error returned for a while. After a few minutes while refreshing the page; it redirected to the correct page.

I'm not sure what was the cause of this. It occurred at 14:49 (UTC), 28 November 2023 and stayed for a while. I added a Screenshot of the Error message for reference. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 15:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I was getting that a bunch of times this morning (in my time zone). After trying a page several times, I would finally get through; and before long the problem went away in all cases. I assume it was just an odd, non-Thursday hiccup in the WP software. Nobody seems to have mentioned it at the Village Pump, so the problem must have been short-lived and not too irksome. Deor (talk) 23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Article Deleted Twice
Hello,

After the first deletion, I made extreme edits to make the article acceptable by Wikipedia. But, that version is also slated for speedy deletion. I actually mimicked the biography of a current article (replacing the person with my person) and it is still being flagged/deleted. How do I get it accepted if Wikipedia is no longer accepting an article that mimics a previously approved/published article?

Thanks. Noseallergy (talk) 00:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems you have not engaged with the actual reason for rejection, which is the potential lack of notability. Remsense  留  00:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . Please take a look WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS for more details, but basically the draft you're working on is going to be assessed on its own merit (i.e. as to whether the subject you're trying to create a Wikipedia article is deemed ot be Wikipedia's notable). Mimicking other existing articles doesn't make whatever your trying to write about Wikipedia notable since (1) it's possible those other article should've never been created to begin with and (2) the Wikipedia notability of those other subjects doesn't transfer to the subject you're trying to write about. What you're going to need to establish is that the person you're trying to write about meet Wikipedia:Notability (people).Finally, if your question is about Draft: Claudia Morales, then that draft was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator named for being too promotional for Wikipedia's purposes even as a draft. It also looks as if Deepfriedokra has explained this to you at User talk:Deepfriedokra. Generally, those working on drafts are left alone to work at their own pace, and drafts are very rarely deleted by administrators unless they somehow violate a major Wikipedia policy. Apparently, Deepfriedokra felt that your draft was so promotional that it would need to be totally rewritten to even be acceptable as a draft. Deepfriedokra's assessment was also seconded by another Wikipedia administrator named . Does this mean that a Wikipedia article about " Claudia Morales" can never be created? That will depend on whether you're able to establish that (1) Morales satisfies one of Wikipedia's notability guidelines and (2) such an article can be written in a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Creating a new article can be a difficult process, particulary for new Wikipedians. Perhaps by working on improving existing Wikipedia articles, you become more familiar with Wikipedia's main policies and guidelines, and thus be better equipped to take another shot at creating an article about Morales at some point down the road. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you. yes, I did get the messages from deepfriedokra after the first (deleted) submission. I have since removed all the promotional language that was once there. I was never able to go back to that original submisison page after the deletion to re-read the reason codes in the notice of termination so I wrote to her directly.
 * Anyway, I will review notability guidelines and neutral point of view. Is the article still in "review" at this point?
 * Thanks. Noseallergy (talk) 01:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The article appears to presently be deleted. You can still get its contents back if you need them by going to WP:Requests for undeletion: it's a painless process, don't worry. Remsense  留  01:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * From the very first paragraph, Noseallergy, of the very last revision, is this: This manages an attempt at promoting her school even before it gets properly under way in an effort to promote her, with:  When you write for an encyclopedia, or anyway for this one, you write to inform, not to impress. As pointed out above, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS; but if you "actually mimicked the biography of a current article", then the latter must be quite unusually crappy. Which was it? -- Hoary (talk) (whose age is tender), 01:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * You have referenced the FIRST submitted version which was already deleted and rejected, so you have chimed in on a version not even being attempted any longer!
 * So, please let me know from the submission dated 11/27/23, are the issues still notability and promotional language? I feel like we are going in circles and this is even more confusing.
 * Thanks. Noseallergy (talk) 22:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Noseallergy, we are trying our best to help.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>Presently, this is a list of all your public edits, the ones we can see. If you are talking about another version of a page, then it has been deleted or we are otherwise not privy to it. You could try recreating the page at User:Noseallergy/Claudia Morales, which is in your personal userspace, so you don't have to worry about it getting deleted again. Remsense  留  23:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you so much for that. Yes, I don't see my new Sandbox draft that I created yesterday in the list. I used the Noseallergy sandbox and clicked on the Publish button there as instructed for submission. I wonder, then, if that version was never really reviewed? Here is what I submitted. Please let me know if you are not finding this version on your end and how I can get it reviewed. Thanks so much:Claudia Morales From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Claudia Morales, (born August 25, 1959) is an American interior designer based in Southern California. Early life and education Claudia Morales Morales was born in West Berlin, Germany, to an American serviceman and a German socialite mother. Growing up surrounded by the Berlin Wall, her formative years were spent alongside her two older sisters. In 1968, she commenced her education at an American school in Darmstadt, Germany, and later attended The John F. Kennedy School[1] in Berlin—a bilingual and bi-cultural German-American public school. This distinctive educational setting instilled in her the values of critical thinking, independence, and academic excellence, fostering an environment that embraced international diversity rooted in mutual respect and cooperation. Displaying an early aptitude for design aesthetics, Morales explored her interest in photography and interior design. She pursued her studies at the University of Maryland[2] in Munich, earning a degree in Arts, Pre-law, and Graphic Design. Subsequently, she ventured to New York City to delve deeper into her passion. In New York, Morales enrolled at the Fashion Institute of Technology (FIT) in 1982, obtaining a degree in Photography and Advertising Design. Her initial professional experiences included photographing print ads and engaging in fashion photography. Subsequently, Morales relocated to San Diego, California, engaging in various creative pursuits that laid the foundation for her subsequent endeavors in Los Angeles. Career Upon settling in Los Angeles, Morales immersed herself in film and television post-production, assuming diverse creative roles. Her specialization included colorization for black-and-white films and serving as an art director for color effects in films, commercials, and music videos. She contributed to renowned projects such as New Line Cinema's motion picture "Pleasantville" and Judy Garland’s black-and-white television performances. Transitioning from her successful career in film and television, Morales pursued her dream of becoming an interior designer. She earned a degree in interior design at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), culminating in the founding of Claudia Interior Design[3][1 ] in 2001—a firm focused on the transformative design of kitchens and bathrooms. Design Style and Influences Bathroom Design Morales's design style seamlessly blends modern aesthetics with functionality, drawing inspiration from design luminaries such as Richard Avedon, Charles & Ray Eames, Le Corbusier, Saarinen, Elsie de Wolfe, Syrie Maugham, and Eileen Gray. Her designs feature open concepts, a motif inspired by her experiences in Rome in 1988. Awards and recognition An active member of the American Society of Interior Designers[4] (ASID) since 2004, Morales has received the Best of Houzz award annually from 2015 to 2022 for both design and service. References
 * 1980-1981 Yearbook
 * "German Education Abroad | School of Languages, Literatures, and Cultures". Retrieved 2023-11-27
 * "Close to Home" cite journal : Check date values in: |  (help)
 * "American Society of Interior Designers | ASID". Retrieved 2023-11-27 External links Claudia Interior Design, Instagram, and Houzz, HGTV, LinkedIn.
 * "Close to Home" cite journal : Check date values in: |  (help)
 * "American Society of Interior Designers | ASID". Retrieved 2023-11-27 External links Claudia Interior Design, Instagram, and Houzz, HGTV, LinkedIn.
 * "American Society of Interior Designers | ASID". Retrieved 2023-11-27 External links Claudia Interior Design, Instagram, and Houzz, HGTV, LinkedIn.
 * "American Society of Interior Designers | ASID". Retrieved 2023-11-27 External links Claudia Interior Design, Instagram, and Houzz, HGTV, LinkedIn.

Noseallergy (talk) 23:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There still aren't any reliable sources whatsoever establishing the subject's notability. Please take a look at both those pages to get a better idea what sources can be used, and how they establish notability. Also, please use another page like one that I've provided, you don't have to submit anything right now, and this page is very vertically crowded already. Remsense  留  23:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * hi. i did submit the page again. I hope we can continue our conversation from there. The magazine article and the ASID registration page for Claudia are not enough for notability? thanks. Noseallergy (talk) 23:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Noseallergy, there is no point in resubmitting the article over and over again, it is not presently in an acceptable state. we are trying to get it to the point where it might be accepted when you submit. Like I've said, I strongly suggest you read the policy page on reliable sources to get a better idea of what sources are considered reliable. If it would help, there is also a sizable table listing sources and discussing why they are considered the way they are. Here are things that do not establish notability whatsoever:<ul><li>Belonging to a trade organization</li><li>Having a website, Instagram, or linkedin profile, no matter what is on it, because that is user-generated.</li></ul>You require outside coverage from some source not close to the subject. You presently have no source like this, ideally, you'd have a couple to establish notability. Remsense  留  00:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I submitted again because I believe my revision was not received at Wiki, since there was not dated note in the list you gave me. Noseallergy (talk) 00:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * there is no purpose to submitting, the article will not be accepted in its present state, and you are making more work for other volunteers to do. Remsense  留  00:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Referencing a newspaper supplement
I'd like to reference an article in the arts supplement of a British Sunday newspaper from 1990. This pull-out section has separate pagination and is marked "E". If I gave the page-number as "E1", would that be acceptable? Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (talk) 01:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Per$1$tenceofv1$1on


 * Yes it would. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Per$1$tenceofv1$1on (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Add List of Gait Types in Gait Article
I'm new here & trying to figure out how all this works. I asked a question on Gait:Talk but didn't get a reply so thought I'd ask it here.

In the Gait article, I'm interested in adding a section called Gait Types that would give a description of various gait types (e.g., walk, trot, gallop, etc.) While various gaits are mentioned in this article, it doesn't give a description of each one. Is this the best article to add such a list? Or, is there a better place to put the list. Once the list is added, then when other articles mention a particular gait, it can be linked here, so the description of the gait does not have to be repeated. Most of the info would be from Elbroch's "Mammal Tracks & Sign". Wanted to get people's opinions, as once I spend the time to create the list, I didn't want it to be immediately deleted if people thought it was not useful. Sunandshade (talk) 01:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * At a quick look, there is a gap on WP for a list of gait types. It's unclear whether it should be a section on Gait, or a self-standing 'List of...' article. That might depend on how long it is, and how general versus how species-specific it is; and whether or not it lists abnormal gaits. You mention "walk, trot, gallop, etc.", but I see on Gait (human) eight or so abnormal gaits; and then, on Gait, concepts such as 'alternating tripod gait of walking desert ants'. If we're agreed that there is a gap, then it's probably fine to start the work wherever - such as in Gait - since if necessary it can be moved. Seems to be it would only be deleted if it was terrible work, or a copyvio, so maybe avoid both of those? --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your confirmation that it is needed. My plan was to have a short description of common gaits so it would be a short list (to start, at least).  I'll start by putting it in Gait & see how it fits in.  I plan to get some info from the book I mentioned.  The book is 600+ pages long & I plan to used a few concepts from it so I assume it would not be a copyright problem (just guessing here).  I'll try to do quality work.
 * Once I have it written, it would be nice if other articles can link to a specific gait (e.g., trot). I know how to link to an article, or a section in an article, but how do you link to a specific sentence/paragraph in an article? Sunandshade (talk) 02:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It is not very likely that other articles will link to the list. I suspect for any major gait, WP will have an article - trot, canter and gallop, running &c - and it is to these that uses of the term in other articles should link. There is information at Help:Link for how to link to units smaller than a section, but it is rarely done on WP afaik. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I delete an image?
Article I'm improving: Letterpress

I've found an alternative image that I can use for the infobox, but it would be useless having two images of the same logo. How do I delete an image from Wikipedia? Tarantula TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 02:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You do not need to delete anything. If you have a better image for the infobox, remove the small fair use image filename from  and add your newly found filename. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Deleting article draft
Hello, I attempted to make my first article but after feedback I realize that it should not be made as it does not meet notability criteria. Other than waiting for enough time to elapse without edits, is there a way to "delete" the article draft? I'm sorry if it's obvious and I simply missed it. I really appreciate the help <3 Thyrogoblin (talk) 01:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Add db-self to it. That'll do it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * With that tag at the top, an Admin will get to it. David notMD (talk) 02:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Upscaling infobox image?
Article I'm about to nominate for GA status: Letterpress

Currently, the game's icon isn't as large as I wanted to be. I'd like the main image to match articles like Doodle Jump or Angry Birds, but I don't know how to edit an image. Thanks, Tarantula TM  (speak with me) (my legacy) 01:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It's a fair-use image of minimal size. The Doodle Jump.png image copyright has been confirmed as CC licenced. Angry Birds is judged not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection. Letterpress is considered to be copyright protected, and so you will not be able to expand its size. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This image almost certainly falls below the threshold of originality in the US, and can be uploaded at high resolution on Commons. No comment on how to edit the image. Mach61 (talk) 03:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Redirect hatnote with accent
Ponzoña redirects to Américo Rocca, and I added a Template:Redirect hatnote for the Purple Kiss song that has the same name but without the accent. However, I added the hatnote without the accent since Ponzona (without the accent) leads you to the redirect page with the accent. Should the hatnote have the accent? ayakanaa ( t · c ) 03:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Reviewed article not indexed by Google
I created the article Redmond Central Connector over two weeks ago. It was reviewed the same day I created it. However, Google is not indexing it. Other reviewed pages of a similar age are being indexed. How can I fix this, if possible? DirtyHarry991 (talk) 00:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You're right, it's not indexed by Google but is by, say, Duckduckgo. I can't suggest anything; we've had problems with Google before, but it's wholly outside of our control. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It might just have bad SEO, if you haven't looked multiple pages. @hotel, which I moved to mainspace, doesn't show up at the top of searches for "athotel" (and "@hotel" is identical to "hotel") Mach61 (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @DirtyHarry991 i tried checking the cached version of the page and it is showing a different wiki page: Eastside Rail Corridor. Have you implemented the redirection from Redmond Central Connector to Eastside Rail Corridor earlier? Vbhavanisankar (talk) 04:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Redmond Central Connector originally redirected to Eastside Rail Corridor. When I wrote the article for Redmond Central Connector, an admin performed a round-robin move so I could create the page. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 07:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for checking the caches, it appears that Google has not crawled any of the pages that link to my article since Nov. 12. I will try making edits to linked pages to see if that will make it update. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 07:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. You can try sharing the link on social media handles to enhance the chances of the page being indexed by Google. Additionally, since the page has very few words, consider adding more content. Vbhavanisankar (talk) 07:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Article to be Posted With no Reply
I've sent an article for review in May 2023, and I still have no reply if it was accepted or not. Please help to clarify on how long does it take to get a response. Thank you! ChanthyChun (talk) 17:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * According to your Talk page, Draft:ByDzyne was Declined twice in 2020 and then deleted in 2021 for inactivity. Your contributions show no other activity. What was the title of the article you are asking about? David notMD (talk) 17:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The title is ByDzyne Inc. ChanthyChun (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not show a draft titled Draft:ByDzyne Inc. or Draft:Byzyne David notMD (talk) 02:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you recently create a new version which was then Speedy deleted, leaving no trace of its existence? David notMD (talk) 08:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Commons User:Abhilash Pillai V
This page created on wikipedia has been rejecting saying that the username exists already
 * Courtesy link: c:User:Abhilash Pillai V

Abhilash Pillai V (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * At Commons you created an article-like page that has been nominated for Speedy deletion. Commmons is for images. At Wikipedia you created the same content at your User page User:Abhilash Pillai V. This has also been nominated for Speedy deletion. See WP:UP for purposes of User page. If you are convinced that you as a topic is article worthy (see WP:AUTO) then use WP:YFA to create and submit a draft. David notMD (talk) 08:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Abhilash Pillai V, I notice that your page User:Abhilash Pillai V tells the reader that "his unwavering commitment to filmmaking soon bore fruit". I get the impression from this kind of thing that you wish to promote yourself here. Comments? -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Using a Wikidata photo on a Wikipedia page
Somewhere I saw a page explaining how to do this and how attribute properly but I have no idea where it is now. So... what is the proper form of attribution under Creative Commons licence CC0 and where do I put it? Thank you so much. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 08:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oona Wikiwalker, if you see a photo at Wikidata, it's already at Wikimedia Commons. And since it's there, you can use it in Wikipedia. Click on it, get its title, and use that. Example: c:File:Facing library at the University of Rochester.jpg is a photo at Commons that's not yet used in Wikipedia. In order to use it, add File:Facing library at the University of Rochester.jpg to the article. -- Hoary (talk) 09:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What a relief! Thank you so much!Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 09:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Music
I am a Canadian singer, songwriter with music on all major streaming channels. I am a member of the CCMA and CMA. I have recorded a total 31 songs and released 26 so far. My distributor is Distrokid. I would appreciate If I could be part of the Singer, Songwriter list. Thanks Malcolm Foenander 2001:1970:4BA8:6000:B45A:9F1B:6C9D:FB6 (talk) 20:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's probably not going to happen, Malcolm Foenander. Singer-songwriter features very well known Singer-songwriters. Your career seems to be a couple of years old? Beyond that observation, wikipedia does not take requests for inclusions on lists. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * List of singer-songwriters includes all who have a page, and no other criteria. If you meet the criteria to have a page, you may be listed, but please note that we recommend people not to write articles about themselves. Mach61 (talk) 20:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Malcolm. Basically, like hundreds of artists, business people, and others, you have the erroneous basic assumption that Wikipedia is a place to publicize yourself. It is not, in any way. Wikipedia can have an article about you only if you have been indepedently written about sufficiently to meet Wikipedia's criteria for WP:notability, and if that does happen, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and will not necessarily say what you want it to say. I suggest you concentrate on places that allow promotion. ColinFine (talk) 10:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

One wiki account login to two device.
Actually I wanted to know from senior wikipedians, if it is possible to access only one account on the two device (like office system and my phone)? This is my account that remains connected to the office system. But I'm often not in the office. Can I sign in to the same account on my phone? What is your approach? Please guide me.

Thanks with regards! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is absolutely possible to stay logged in to the same account on multiple devices – if you select "Keep me logged in" while logging in, as long as you do not click the log out button and have cookies enabled in your browser (if you don't know if cookies are enabled, they probably are), you should automatically remain logged in. Tollens (talk) 11:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone tell me, where is problem in my draft?
draft: Needy Foundation Md Shahedul Alam Khan (talk) 06:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Md Shahedul Alam Khan: Welcome to the Teahouse! To demonstrate that this organization meets Wikipedia's definition of a "notable" organization, you should write the draft based on what independent sources have published about the organization.   At first glance, it appears that 13 of the 16 references are from the Needy Foundation, which would be primary sources.  However, at closer inspection, it appears that you uploaded photos to Wikimedia Commons and then using them as sources, and these cannot be used as references.  If you are being paid by this organization, or you are otherwise affiliated with the organization, then you have a conflict of interest that you need to disclose before continuing with the draft. GoingBatty (talk) 07:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Md Shahedul Alam Khan, Infobox lists you as the founder. Are you trying to create an article for your organization? Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, Md Shahedul Alam Khan. Like most inexperienced Wikipedia editors who try the challenging task of creating an article, you have gone about it BACKWARDS (please read the essay at that link).
 * I always advise new editors to spend some weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles before trying this difficult task. ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Mass Change
Hello, Teahouse. Today my question is as follows: would it be recommended to change (move/reformat) all articles pertaining to the supreme court in one of the United States into this format for consistency: (Supreme Court of XXXX)? I noticed inconsistency within the titles throughout various states and this format would fit all states consistently. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi UnexpectedSmoreInquisition. I think such a mass change would be unwise. The names of the highest courts are set by each state (presumably in each state's constitution). Some of the states' highest courts don't even have the term "supreme court" contained in their name (e.g. New York Court of Appeals, Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court). Consistency in related article titles is one of our article title criteria, but getting the names right is more important. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Firefangledfeathers. I was under the assumption the names were colloquial, not legal. My mistake. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Happy to help! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition. Actually the primary choice of name is neither official nor colloquial but whatever name is used in the bulk of the reliable sources: see WP:COMMONNAME. So if in fact all the newspapers referred to all the courts as "Supreme Court of XXXX" then your consistent choice would be appropriate. ColinFine (talk) 10:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, luckily for me, it seems each supreme court has a website that states their name. However, news reports are conflicting on some, but I'll comb through a couple and report back here later. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 12:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

DYK entry
I decided to post a new DYK entry for the main page. I've never done it before, but it looks buggy on the talk page there. I wasn't sure where to post about it looking bugged out, Template talk:Did you know, and I wasn't sure how to fix it. Anyone around that knows what to do? Regards Govvy (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * nm, I think I fixed it. Govvy (talk) 12:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Govvy Yes, that did it (despite my subsequent attempt to mess things up, which I self-reverted)! Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

hi the fix
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 * Hello! I can't understand your question – if you were looking to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you do have a question about using or editing Wikipedia, would you please clarify what you're asking about? Tollens (talk) 12:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Article update
Hi. I'm trying to update my wikipedia page with proof that a section was purely rumours. I have sworn affidavits to provide and would like to have my edit approved please. Ralimampeule (talk) 13:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. Court documents or affidavits are primary sources.  If the sources summarized in the article about you(not "your wikipedia page") are not being summarized accurately, please detail the errors on Talk:Rali Mampeule along with independent reliable sources that support your proposed edits.  If the sources are summarized accurately, but are in error, you will need to first take that up with the sources, but then follow the advice either on your user talk page, or at WP:LIBEL. 331dot (talk) 13:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Cannot change the title of our page after name change
Dear All,

How can I change the title of an article (in our case United Business School) to reflect our rebranding (change to "UBI Business School"): United Business Institutes

Thank you! Vincentwy.tam (talk) 14:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. Changing the title of an article requires what in Wikipedia jargon is called a page move; you may request this at Requested Moves- but first you will will need to declare your relationship with this institution.  If you work for them, see WP:PAID.  If you have some other relationship with them where you are not paid, see WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Notability
Are there special significance criteria for deceased people? 178.204.152.206 (talk) 03:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * No. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * No, the Notability guideline for people applies to all people, living or dead. There is a special, stringent policy for biographies of living people because of the potential for real damage that a poorly written biography presents. See WP:BLP for complete details. Cullen328 (talk) 03:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much 178.204.152.206 (talk) 03:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * But in the articles that lists deceased people not all of them are notable; for example, see Deaths in 2023. Aminabzz (talk) 17:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Aminabzz: There's a comment in the article which states "If a Wikipedia article for the dead does not yet exist, reconsider whether the subject is actually notable. If so, consider writing an article yourself. Those without a Wikipedia article are removed after one month." GoingBatty (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Unable To Upload Content
I don't why, but for some time I am unable to access Wikipedia commons and cant upload any material. Was I banned? Procrastinater (talk) 07:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, @Procrastinater! You do not seem to be blocked from Commons. Are you sure you are logged in there? <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 08:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Procrastinater: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you provide more details, we can provide more assistance.  What is the URL of the Wikimedia Commons page you are trying to access?  What steps are you performing on that page?  What results are you receiving? GoingBatty (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, GoingBatty. I get this error as soon as i launch wikipedia commons home page using URL:https://commons.wikimedia.org/
 * This site can’t be reached
 * commons.wikimedia.org’s DNS address could not be found. Diagnosing the problem.
 * DNS_PROBE_POSSIBLE
 * I have designed some vector images for different forces, wanted to upload them. Please Help. Procrastinater (talk) 17:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a problem at your end - in your computer / phone or router. See https://www.wpoven.com/blog/dns_probe_possible/ for instance. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Procrastinater: If you can't resolve that issue in a reasonable amount of time, you could upload the images to the English Wikipedia, and then ask for help to have them exported to Commons. GoingBatty (talk) 17:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Moving draft with review pending to mainspace
Hi, I recently just created my first article through the AfC process, and now it's been waiting for a review for a couple days. I realised that as an autoconfirmed user I can just move the draft into mainspace and I'm fairly confident that the article is up to standard. Am I allowed to remove the "Review Waiting" tag and move the page? Here is the article draft in question: Draft:College Square (Dublin) LynxesDesmond (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You are, yes. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not specific to this situation at all—just in general: if you are autoconfirmed and put something in the mainspace, you want to be prepared to defend it at Articles for Deletion if someone thinks the sources you provide don't show that the subject meets criteria for a standalone article. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Filling in missing chemicals
Is it useful to start creating articles from red links on User:Graeme_Bartlett/missing_chemicals? I noticed that some of these articles might already exist or have disambiguation-style articles already (e.g., a listed missing article is Amyl bromide, but this is covered under Bromopentane though the specific chemical amyl bromide is referring to does not have its own article (which would probably be titled 1-Bromopentane). The info on most of these pages I would be creating would have a basic chembox with information from Pubchem/Chemspider and a physical description from CAMEO, maybe some uses if they're easily found on Pubchem literature. Reconrabbit (talk) 17:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I want to add that for a lot of these chemicals, it's difficult to provide more information than a cursory description and their physical properties, as most of the literature covering more in-depth use are primary sources from scientific journals and would require published synthesis that does not exist yet. Reconrabbit (talk) 17:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Reconrabbit There are a lot of "missing" chemicals which would have plenty of secondary sources: natural products for example. However, if you want specific types almost certain to be notable, take a look a the red links on list of insecticides, list of fungicides and list of herbicides. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

No Edit Button, Only Edit Source
Hi all. I am trying to make edits to an article I wrote, but for some reason, the "edit" button has completely disappeared, and I can only see "edit source" now to edit the wikicode. Does anyone know what happened and how I can get the "edit" button back so I can edit the page using the visual editor? Spatton27 (talk) 19:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Check the Editing section of your Preferences to see if "Enable visual editor" somehow became unselected. RudolfRed (talk) 19:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Spatton27 to add to this, you can have both appear as well. That is useful if you prefer doing different tasks with the visual editor vs the code editor
 * But also in some namespaces you can't use visual editor, here you can only edit source for example. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Spatton27 In addition to the advice above, whenever you're using one of our two editors, it's easy to switch back and forth between them at any time during the editing process (even without saving what you're doing). Look for the dark, sloping pencil icon on the right-hand side of the editing toolbar menu. Click that and you can select the other one to work with, and then switch back again if you want to. (I do this quite a bit when working with citations, as I prefer entering my details in source editor before returning to Visual Editor to carry on editing). Hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you all so much! I was able to access the visual editor using the pencil as you recommended. I appreciate your quick help! Spatton27 (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Two questions
Hullo, peolpes. This was originally just one question, but I realized I had another question. Question one: I recently decided to have some topicons on my user page, and I was wondering if there was any way to have the topicons in a specific order, or if it is just random. Question two: I have a user subpage for my awards. I was asking if there was a way to have the award templates in a sort of "gallery" similar to image galleries. That's all. Thanccs! Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 21:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * For topicons order, you should be able to use . Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Royal titulary
In articles for Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs (from Akhenaten to Senusret III and others), in the infobox there is a "Royal titulary" with a "show" link with it. But when we click on the show button nothing happens. Aminabzz (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Works for me. Try raising the issue at Template talk:Infobox pharaoh. Also try different browsers, disabling extensions, etc. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 17:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Works for me too. @Sungodtemple, your username kinda sounds like it was written in hieroglyphs originally! And I'm a little surprised I actually spelled hieroglyphs correctly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Most editors use the desktop site where it works for me but it's broken in mobile. Please say if you use the mobile version when you report interface and layout issues. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes; I'm using mobile phone. I will try on desktop too. Aminabzz (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The bottom of pages in the mobile version have a "Desktop" link. This works for me on an iPhone 8. If I log out in mobile then a third thing happens: There is no show link (and the hidden content is still not displayed). I will look into the issue more when I have better time and see if I can fix it or report it to the right people. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I used the desktop version and it worked. I also logged out on mobile and I didn't see the show link just like you. Aminabzz (talk) 22:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

"mark my edits as minor by default"
Where'd that go? Did the minor-edits-are-bad-we-should-deprecate-them group succeed in removing that option via an RfC? Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Edward-Woodrow. It was removed from the English Wikipedia in 2011 after huge support at Help talk:Minor edit/Archive 1 and Village pump (proposals)/Archive 69. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In 2011? Funny, I only started editing last year. Clearly, my memory is playing tricks on me... Edward-Woodrow (talk) 22:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Special:CentralAuth/Edward-Woodrow shows you have edited several Wikimedia wikis. The English Wikipedia is the only one where the option is removed. It's done with code in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php:
 * There may be some editing tool which adds a similar option for edits made with the tool. The removed preference was at Special:Preferences, and still is at other wikis like commons:Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There may be some editing tool which adds a similar option for edits made with the tool. The removed preference was at Special:Preferences, and still is at other wikis like commons:Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Signing again
Whenever I edit my entries on teahouse or talk pages I remove my previous signature and add the four tildes again (on both mobile and desktop views) Because the hour of previous signature differs from current time.

Is it a must do in editing the talk entries? If yes, can we have it fixed so that we don't have to resign our talk entries when editing them? I mean to have signatures update on their own. Aminabzz (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't think I've ever edited the date on my signature, and I don't think you should. It's supposed to be when the comment was added, also to give some clarity on the timeline of the discussion.
 * By the way, if you add five tildes, you'll get just the date  Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 23:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Aminabzz: says that Best practice is to add a new timestamp, e.g.,, using five tildes, after the original timestamp at the end of your post.  Rusty4321  talk contribs 23:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Why is this message a warning?
When you want to log in to your account (on mobile view) you see this message:

"Wikipedia is made by people like you.

Log in to contribute."

But the message has a warning sign. Why is this a warning? This is just a simple sentence about Wikipedia.

Please remove the warning sign. User:Aminabzz (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Aminabzz where? Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 22:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I again forgot to mention the browser and OS. I will edit the entry. Aminabzz (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The icon can be seen by logged out users at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin. uselang=qqx shows that we can change the text at MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-generic-login-new but the icon is added by MediaWiki itself. I don't know why a warning icon is used. MediaWiki changes can be requested at Phabricator. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It's too menacing to novice unregistered editors, because it's a big scary sign that confuses people. Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 23:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * "You are already logged in as Aminabzz. Use the form below to log in as another user."
 * Even this has a warning icon! Aminabzz (talk) 23:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library
Hello Teahouse. Today my question is: could someone with access to the Wikipedia library please help me out? I'm aware I do not have access to the resources within, but wish to research a subject somewhat hard to find sources for, but close to completion. The article in question is about fueskichelcher, a Luxembourgish pastry. I'm trying to find just a couple more citations. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 14:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @UnexpectedSmoreInquisition! I have performed searches for all three terms specified in your draft in ProQuest and EBSCOhost, which turned up nothing useful. However, I proceeded to also search with the free Google Scholar, which gave me a citation to a book called Lëtzebuergesch schwätzen: Einblick in die luxemburgische Sprache. I cannot get the book myself, but maybe you can find it at a library. I also found an article in Russian, called "Люксембургская кулинарная лексика: страноведческий и языковой аспекты" there. It's available online, but I'm not sure whether it's okay to link here. Hope this helps. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 14:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @UnexpectedSmoreInquisition: Welcome to the Teahouse! I went to the The Wikipedia Library page, and found that you could also ask for assistance at WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Just adding that if you go to resource request it will be much more helpful if you can ask for a specific source. Editors there aren't intending to do the research for you, just to give you access to the sources that you're paywalled from. -- asilvering (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

How to fix my draft for publishing?
hello i have been trying to publish an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:1947:_Brexit_India) but it gets declined every time. I, infact, also added the news articles available in the public domain in the reference section yet its getting turned down. Can you tell me the reason for this and how to fix this. Offmark1 (talk) 12:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Offmark1, and welcome to the Teahouse. The only way to fix this is by finding sources which actually contribute to establishing that the film is notable. Some of them may be reliable (though the Times of India is not widely regarded that way) but none of them appear to be independent of Irani and his associates. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 13:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Offmark1 you might find WP:ICTFSOURCES useful. It's a list of sources by reliability specifically maintained by the cinema task force of WP:INDIA. -- asilvering (talk) 23:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Editing in two languages
I would like to edit in two languages. I understand that the number of my contributions is liked to various editing privileges: does that mean I need to maintain two accounts, one for each language ? Or will a single account be able to handle different privileges in different languages ? (eg allowed to edit semi-protected articles in language A but not allowed to in language B) דןברקת (talk) 08:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, @דןברקת, and welcome to the Teahouse! Since unified login was introduced, accounts on all Wikimedia projects are linked. This means you just need to login to the other wiki, and an account will be created for you automatically. And yes, edit counts are counted separately for each wiki, as you describe. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 08:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @דןברקת If you wish to, you can see your contributions across various language Wikipedias. Be aware, though, that it doesn't show everything - just 20 edits per wiki. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @דןברקת just in case you're interested in translation, you may want to read WP:HOWTRANS. -- asilvering (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

1652
What time did Jesus not know? .... Enlighten me. Seventhsent001 (talk) 02:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Your question makes no sense, so, hard to do. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The Teahouse is for questions about using Wikipedia. Try asking your question at WP:RDH, but try to make your question clear.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have indefinitely blocked Seventhsent001. Their contributions are gibberish. Cullen328 (talk) 02:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Jesus did not know "Clobberin' time!", "Show time!", "In the nick of time", bed time or Daylight Savings Time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 03:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As a carpenter, he would presumably have known when to Stop--Hammer Time. DMacks (talk) 06:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * if he saw everyone's personal info sins across all the times ever that one time, he would probably know what all of those were  cogsan (give me attention)  (see my deeds) 11:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In case anyone wants an actual answer to this question, it is "the time of his second coming". See . -- asilvering (talk) 23:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Fast Scrolling the notifications
On mobile phone I have to fast scroll down or up the notifications with my finger twice. With the first attempt nothing happens. With the second attempt the page scrolls. Do others have the same issue? I've never experienced it before. Aminabzz (talk) 00:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Time Zone
On Phabricator I corrected my time zone and it told me all your time zones on platforms have been synched. But here I still see the UTC time. Aminabzz (talk) 00:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Aminabzz. The time zone setting at Special:Preferences controls the display of log entries like page histories, user contributions and watchlists. Signatures are saved in the wikitext and not affected by that setting. Here at the English Wikipedia, Special:Preferences has the option "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time". See more at Comments in Local Time. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

submission rejected?
can you tell me why my submission was not approved if any mistake? please guide me any one Ahmed12322 (talk) 16:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * there are two obvious reasons why User:Ahmed12322/sandbox was declined. It cites no sources, and it doesn't start by stating what its subject is. Maproom (talk) 16:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you seen the advice left by reviewers at the top of your draft? (which is User:Ahmed12322/sandbox) Your draft is completely unsourced, and written in the style of an essay, not an encyclopedia article.  Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The draft also contains elements of "how-to" writing, which a Wikipiedia article should not. Deor (talk) 01:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

How can I appeal a draft deletion that was not reversed?
Over the last two years I've slowely chipped away at this draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Machan_Taylor. I logged in today to add resources and keep pruning the page but discovered it had been deleted for inactivity, which is understandable. But my request for the draft to be restored was declined, stating the page was a copyright violation of the artist's bio. I have never used any content from the artist bio to build this page. Can someone please help me with this issue? ADDENDUM: I've looked at the artist's bio page and I don't see the anything remotely close to any copying from her website. I can't help that the chronology of her history will be a consistent timeline no matter where her history is outlined. Please help. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 21:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @1987atomheartbrother, you'll have to take this up with the admin who declined your refund request. -- asilvering (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hm sorry, that might not have been a full answer to your question. You can ask the admin directly on their talk page. Make sure you give a link to the draft like you did here, so they know what you're talking about. -- asilvering (talk) 23:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 1987atomheartbrother, you asked for undeletion of Machan Taylor, which was deleted as a copyvio in 2016. You need to ask for undeletion of Draft:Machan Taylor, which was deleted as abandoned on October 3, 2023. Meters (talk) 01:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that all makes sense now and I got the help I needed. I truly appreciate everyone's help. 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 01:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Broken link
There’s a page called “Article Deletion” linked in Wikipedia is not a forum. I think it was deleted and I want to replace it, but I can’t find a page with the same name. I’m really new to Wikipedia and I don’t want to risk accidental vandalism. What can I do? Thanks! Koitoast (talk) 01:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That was a user's essay that was deleted. I don't think anything replaced it, so I suggest just removing it from that See Also section. RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Singer- Songwriter
Trying to write my biography Anthon Joseph Caesar Aka Mafiandan6ixx Singer Songwriter and a Graphics Designer Born And Raise In Guyana at the age of 10 Years Old He Started Music And Since Then He's Making Ways Genre Gothic Dancehall record label is Mafiandan6ixx Entertainment.

https://w.wiki/8Kaw Caesar 199726 (talk) 23:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If you want to have a Wikipedia article you have to be notable enough. For example, you should be at least as famous as James Hetfield. Aminabzz (talk) 00:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User pages are not the place to attempt drafting an article. See WP:YFA for how to create and submit a draft. For a living person, all facts must be supported by independent references (see WP:42). Per WP:AUTO attempts at autobiography are frowned upon. See WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 03:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Aminabzz: A musician does not have to be as famous as James Hetfield for Wikipedia to have an article about them.
 * @Caesar 199726. The actual Wikipedia notability criteria for musicians are at WP:MUSICBIO.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Undisclosed Payment
I began to edit my first major page for Yinka Ash, a fashion designer in Nigeria and I guess I messed up and now the article is flagged as most likely done with undisclosed Payment, which I did not get paid for.

How do I fix it?

Anoghena Okoyomoh (talk) 06:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * It was added by . I've removed it. You two should discuss the issue. If you do have WP:COI you need to declare it, Anoghena Okoyomoh. If you do not, then you do not. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I really do not, I just wanted to contribute, I guess I was too enthusiastic, but I see the photo I used for the subject matter, I got from his website, so I took that down as well. Thank you so very much, I think I'll just take a back seat for now, don't wanna ruin someone's image because of me. Anoghena Okoyomoh (talk) 09:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Anoghena Okoyomoh, remember that every image used on wikipedia needs to be free to use - you can't use a copyrighted image from someone's website. If you try to use an image like that, we're all going to assume that you are the copyright holder, which would mean that you have a conflict of interest. -- asilvering (talk) 23:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * oh, that makes sense, I will note this. Thank you so much Anoghena Okoyomoh (talk) 08:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Entry on Gilbert Stuart (artist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilbert_Stuart&action=edit

I'm trying to update and correct the entry but am thwarted. Under endnote 43, would someone please add pp. 80, 105-06, and 118. And please eliminate the automated notations at the ends of notes 43 and 44. In note 49, the surname is Fielding, not Mantle.

The notes are out of order in the text: see note 18 after 33. In note 13, it's odd to include the street address of the press. I would put this book: Genius of Gilbert Stuart under Bibliography.

In the top row of the illustrations, can you replace Jacob Rodriquez Rivera (not by Stuart) with William Curtis, dated 1775? Curtis is at Wikidata.org/wiki/Q460867. It is by Stuart and would fit there because of the date. Many thanks if you can do this.

It's difficult to correct the misconception that Stuart's middle name was Charles. This is an error. He was baptized without a middle name. Please remove the middle name under the first illustration. I'd be grateful for your kind help. DEvans2 (talk) 06:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Regarding the note/reference numbering order, these are numbered according to the first time they appear in the infobox and main text, but the same reference can be used more than once. In this case, ref [18] first appears between [17] and [19] in section Gilbert Stuart), and twice more in sections Gilbert Stuart and Gilbert Stuart. You will see that in the References list these uses are designated as 18. a, b and c. Note that if another, new reference is added or an existing one removed, all those first appearing after it will automatically be renumbered. This is doubtless why some of your quoted ref numbers above are currently off by one.


 * I have removed the spurious "Charles" as the cited source reference [1] does not contain it: however, if it's present in other, apparently reliable sources, someone might use one of them to re-add it, in which case the D of WP:BRD can commence, and perhaps explanatory text might be required in the article itself. (Did he never use it, did he adopt it later in life?) For your future reference, the infobox code usually appears before any separately editable sections, but can be found by using the very top 'Edit' tab that applies to the whole article.


 * I can't see that it hurts to have PUP's street address in the, anyway quite short, reference, particularly as the company has two other addresses (in Oxford and Beijing) which might publish titles independently of the Main Office (as is the case with some other similar publishers).


 * Regarding replacing the Rivera portrait, I will leave that to others as I am not experienced with image placements. If the Rivera portrait is not by Stuart, you might want to take up the matter at Wikimedia Commons to avoid its future mis-use. I can't address your other points in the notes as I lack the specialised knowledge to identify the missing source data and corroborate the Fielding/Mantle matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.32 (talk) 10:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

wikipedia magazine
is there any wikipedia magazine avaialble hardcopy name 223.31.71.74 (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not sure what you are asking. Can you explain using more words? Ca talk to me! 10:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that they're asking about any physical (dead tree or paper-form) books or magazines of Wikipedia. in that case I'd say not really one provided by Wikipedia, but there are some services that allow you to print or DIY your own book, see Help:Books for more (although note that the process of creating books is really old and not really that well supported anymore). happy editing!
 * as a side note, if anyone else knows of another way to make wikipedia books/pdfs containing multiple articles apart from PediaPress and MW2Latex which are listed above, please ping me, I'd really like to see it too! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 11:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * There is the Signpost, though it is not a hard copy. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Signatures for articles guide?
Is there a tutorial or guide on how to make signatures for various people's articles?

Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 02:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @KatoKungLee: A signature that you might see on an article (e.g. Bill Gates) is just an image - see Help:Images. There are some instructions on how to use the various signature-related parameters of an infobox at Template:Infobox person.  There is also some information at commons:When to use the PD-signature tag.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you mean how to convert it to a vector format, you must just increase the contrast, and then import in into Inkscape, then click Path > Trace bitmap, play around with the settings, and upload it under the  tag.  Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 12:59, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Would it be libel?
Would it be libelous to put something celebrating the death of a certain war criminal that died recently on my user page ? Quick Quokka [⁠talk • contribs] 12:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * At the very least, it would be poor taste. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 12:56, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Less poor taste than carpet bombing 150,000 civilians (at least in my opinion) /hj Quick Quokka  [⁠talk • contribs] 13:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You know full well that the dead cannot sue for libel, QuickQuokka, so it's not clear a) what your question is and b) why you have asked it here. Many people are delighted that Kissinger is dead. Most of them manage not to be performative about it on wikipedia. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * He was not convicted of any war crimes by a court, so it would be a BLP violation to name him a "war criminal". There is some leeway in expressing your personal views on your user page, but it shouldn't be the main purpose. 331dot (talk) 13:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Biographies of living persons also applies to user pages and note Biographies of living persons. See also User pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Editing other editors' comments
Why are regular editors able to edit other editors' comments? Shouldn't it be something that only a mod can do?

At least we (as regular editors) can just suggest edits to other editors' comments so that they approve or reject. Aminabzz (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I mean, you can edit minor stuff like format errors, layout errors, unsigned signature, remove off-topic posts, etc. (Talk page guidelines) Rusty4321  talk contribs 23:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And a user with bad intentions can remove a whole section with all of its comments. I think it's better to prevent than to cure. Aminabzz (talk) 00:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I suspect the removal of this ability would require major changes to the programming of the platform, but I have no technical knowledge of the matter.
 * However, actually changing another's comment is very heavily frowned upon in the community. Even correcting an obvious typo that's breaking an intended link, or wikilinking an unlinked word, are things which in the past I have done (once!) and been admonished for (even after adding my own comment saying what I had done and why). Instead one should, in most users' opinions, add one's own (polite) comment with the necessary correction.
 * Any edit to another's comment is usually noticed and complained about by the original commenter and/or others in the discourse very quickly, and I believe persistent offenders have in the past been blocked if not banned.
 * Wikipedia does not have "mods" as such (see Moderators): the community as a whole does the "modding" by consensus. Admins have some analogous powers, but don't use them for such a purpose. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.32 (talk) 09:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has chosen for convenience to use the same software for articles and discussions. That means you can edit posts by others. Two alternatives for discussions have been developed but rejected by the English Wikipedia, first LiquidThreads and later Flow. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Removing a photo of me from Wikipedia
Hello, there is a photo of me on Wikipedia, which I did not give permission to be used here. It was taken at a public event, but I'm not a famous person, and I'm sure other photos will be available. Could I ask for this photo to be deleted? Scarceintheworld (talk) 07:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Also it's not mine; a stranger took a photo of me. Scarceintheworld (talk) 07:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi . Asking for a photo to be "removed from a Wikipedia article" and "deleted from Wikipedia" are not necessary the same thing. Files, such as photos, uploaded to Wikipedia (or Wikimedia Commons) tend to only be deleted due to some serious violation of relevant policy (e.g. a copyright violation). In such cases, "deletion" means hiding the file from public view so that it no longer can be used on any Wikipedia page. Because of this, only a Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons administrator can delete a file. "Removal", on the other hand, simply means removing the file's sytax from a Wikipedia page so that it's no longer being displayed on that page. The file is still publicly visible and still may be being used on other Wikipedia pages. There can be various reasons for removing a file, and anyone who can edit a page can remove a file's syntax from said page. Random removals, however, are often reverted and in many cases discussion on the page's corresponding talk page or a relevant noticeboard take place to determine whether a consensus can be established to remove the file. Since you didn't give the name of the file you want deleted (perhaps intentionally), I would suggest you try seeking assistance about this via email instead and don't post anymore about it on any Wikipedia page. All Wikipedia pages are publicly viewable and it's generally not wise to post personally identifying information on any of them unless you understand and accept the risks of doing so; the more you post, the greater the chance of you posting something that you might later wish you hadn't. I wouldn't even advise you trying to remove the photo yourself because you will need to explain why which will also connect you to the photo. So, my suggestion to you would be to email WP:OVERSIGHT and see what Oversight has to say. At some point, you may be asked to verify that the photo is actually of you, but this will be done via email. An oversighter should be able to assess the situation and figure out what's best for you and what's best for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi see Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people, Greenman (talk) 08:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your help. Scarceintheworld (talk) 17:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

How to edit a page title
Texas Board of Professional Engineers

How do you edit the title of a page? The page titled: “Texas Board of Professional Engineers” should be changed to “Texas Board of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors”. The engineering board and the surveying board were combined into one board in 2019 as stated on the page. Austineagle (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I've moved the page since your account is currently too new to perform a move (you need ten edits and an account age of at least 4 days). Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) My Talk Page  17:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

mfw i see m.en
en links, when clicked by someone using the mobile layout, will automatically shunt the user to their m.en counterparts. m.en links, when clicked by someone using the desktop layout, won't automatically shunt the user to their en counterparts, which is the opposite of convenient

they also don't work with the navigation popup gadget (hallowed be its name), which is the opposite of convenient

with that in mind, is there any problem in indiscriminately editing m.en links to be not that, aside from any issues with editing other people's replies?  cogsan (give me attention)  (see my deeds) 16:57, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please give some examples of links you are proposing to change. Ideally, any links will just be Wikilinks and not bare urls.   RudolfRed (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What RudolfRed says is the point, Cogsan. Replacing external links to Wikimedia and related sites by wikilinks is a good idea; replacing them with a different external link is not. ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * it's this ani thread that led me to ask this, though it can really apply to any instance of mobile wikilinks
 * but i also stumbled into the fitting guidelines, and i think i can treat them as "doing that is fine i guess" without a lot of mental gymnastics, as they're just wikilinks but worse
 * thanks anyway  cogsan (give me attention)  (see my deeds) 17:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating another article
So, I have made one article (Until This Shakes Apart), and the got a notice that it was accepted. but in it, it said Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer. And that's swell, but I don't wan't to just have the power to make any draft. Can I revoke this? I'd prefer if I can make a draft, but still let others review it, before it is accepted, in case I f*ck something up. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ( Shine on you ) ( Crazy Diamond ) 15:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * You can upload a draft by affixing Draft: to the beginning of the title and then making the page there. Explodicator7331 (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! Babysharkboss2 was here!!  ( Shine on you ) ( Crazy Diamond ) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I always create my articles using the Article Wizard, which gives you the option of creating a draft to be reviewed, or publishing the article directly – which will then be looked at by a new page patroller. I did some freelance writing before my first Wikipedia article, and I still felt safer having my first few Wikipedia articles submitted for review before being published, because I wanted to make sure I knew exactly what I was doing before trusting that I wouldn't mess up and publish something that wouldn't meet Wiki standards. Best wishes on your future projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, the notice says you may create articles directly, not that you must. I've been here for many, many years now, and I've only just had my first article published. You can keep using AFC as long as you like, no one is going to tell you to stop. Madam Fatal (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks! Babysharkboss2 was here!!  ( Shine on you ) ( Crazy Diamond ) 18:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

New article
Please tell me what the problem is because it didn't seem constructive.Why is the page not accepted? Draft:Md Sunnat Ali Mollik Loverman Kingdom (talk) 11:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. There are several unsourced sections of your draft; in an article about living people, every substantive fact must be sourced to a reliable source.  Please see the Biographies of Living Persons policy. 331dot (talk) 11:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @331dot Please tell me what is that unsource category. The page is structured with all the information. Loverman Kingdom (talk) 11:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The early life section is entirely unsourced. Most of the career section is unsourced, and the end of the Liberation War section is unsourced. Every substantive claim about a living person must have a source. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Loverman Kingdom You removed the prevous decline notice, which I have restored as it helps reviewers see whether the draft has been improved to address the reasons for the decline. You have re-submitted for review without adding full citations, for example to the early life and some of the career subsections. In this state, it is likely to be rapidly declined again. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Loverman Kingdom As I predicted, your second submission was declined by User:DoubleGrazing today as lacking sufficient sources. You have despite my advice and a Talk Page warning by another editor for the third time deleted decline notices. This is unlikely to assist getting your draft accepted. In addition, you have uploaded a picture of Mollik to Wikimedia Commons as your own work. What is your relationship to him? Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull No relation. The said personality is a Bangladeshi freedom fighter and journalist, it is certainly known. Loverman Kingdom (talk) 18:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * How did you take a picture of him? 331dot (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Steps to secure permission to use from a willing copyright holder
Hello. This is my first visit to Teahouse about my first new article draft. I intend to soon submit my article Draft:PLEXUS West Coast Women’s Press for review.

A problematic issue is the draft’s use of a photo (of the early PLEXUS staff) from the August 15, 1974 edition of the now-defunct Berkeley Barb newspaper. User:Peaceray a helpful editor has given me some preliminary suggestions (Draft talk:PLEXUS West Coast Women’s Press) about my draft article, including the suggestion to bring this question to the Teahouse for advice.

I wrote: “One of the images, an early staff photo, was published by the Berkeley Barb whose full archive is now available open access on JSTOR. I have gotten in touch with the copyright owner, oldest child of the now-deceased publisher. They indicated an intent to give me permission to use the photo from their article, but they are traveling overseas right now. I could use some advice about how to convert that intent-to-permit into a form that Wikipedia will accept.”

Can someone guide me in obtaining copyright permission in the correct form from the holder?

— BananaSlug (talk) 17:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @BananaSlug All the correct (email) forms are on Wikipedia Commons. See c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team for full details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * P.S. The presence or not of a photo will have no effect on whether your draft is accepted, as it will not contribute to the wikinotability of the topic. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have forward this information to the copyright holder (specifically ...Declaration of consent...) encouraging them (or their lawyer) to use the Interactive Release Generator. — BananaSlug (talk) 19:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with a new page for an academic researcher
Hello,

I am seeking input on how to improve this page: Draft:Saad Bhamla

It was rejected on the following grounds:


 * meet any of the eight academic-specific criteria
 * or cite multiple reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject, which cover the subject in some depth

and

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Having read the eight academic-specific criteria, it is clear that Prof. Bhamla meets several of these. I have also cited reliable secondary sources (e.g., NSF, NIH, etc.) to support this assertion.

I do need some help on the advertisement vs encyclopedia rejection. Most academic bios are written in the form that I supplied, but any tips on converting it into an encyclopedia-style diction would be appreciated.

Many thanks! Xwallawallax (talk) 03:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


 * At a glance, the subject does not meet WP:NACADEMIC. Please remove any inline external links in the article; those are not permitted per WP:EL. Which NACADEMIC criteria do you think the subject meets? --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Prof Bhamla has met criteria 1 and 2.
 * There are multiple examples for Criteria 1. One notable one is his naming as a major disruptor by Newsweek, a reputed magazine that is known to rank research institutions.
 * Criteria 2 is also straightforward - the awards I noted in the original draft are highly competitive, national, and prestigious awards.
 * Thanks for tips of inline external links, did not realize those were against the rules. Xwallawallax (talk) 04:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Newsweek, since 2013, is generally not considered a reliable source due to their deteriorated journalistic practices, including for purposes of establishing notability.
 * Do any of these awards have articles themselves? I took a look and didn't see them well-covered at a glance to establish their own notability. I hope you understand that this merely feels like it's pushing the issue back a level.
 * Remsense 聊  04:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I did not know that. Looking into the linked article, it does seem that Newsweek is in the "yellow" category, with this major caveat: "Many editors have noted that there are several exceptions to this standard, so consensus is to evaluate Newsweek content on a case-by-case basis". Here is the article that lists Prof. Bhamla: https://www.newsweek.com/2023/06/30/magic-mushrooms-1-hearing-aids-medical-marvels-disrupting-healthcare-1805918.html This is a distinction from the magazine - they select a cohort of 10 prominent researchers each year. It is definitely not clickbait and not pay to play.
 * I am willing to accept that Newsweek is of dubious reputability (although the distinction from the magazine is still notable), but the US NASEM is not. Here is a news article from them that highlights a major and prestigious award that Prof. Bhamla has won: https://www.nationalacademies.org/awards/excellence-in-communication
 * Xwallawallax (talk) 04:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not my area of expertise, so I will bow out and let people where it is take over, but I suppose if I had to speak on a personal, gut-feeling level, reading the newsweek article, the headline coupled with its presentation does feel very clickbait to me, but again, I do not feel comfortable deciding one way or the other, so I will abstain as to whether this should be accepted or not. Remsense  聊  04:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for chiming in and helping me understand the process further.
 * Looking at NACADEMIC requirements, they note: "Academics meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable."
 * and
 * "The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level."
 * I feel that (a) the US NASEM article and the US NASEM as an institution are both reliable sources, (b) the Schmidt Futures award is a highly prestigious academic honor at an international level, according to the wikipedia article on this award: National Academies Communication Award Xwallawallax (talk) 04:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't agree. The National Academies Communication Award programme ended in 2019, and is not the same as the "Eric and Wendy Schmidt Awards for Excellence in Science Communication", which makes ~48 awards per year. The subject here is not listed as a Top Award winner at and it is difficult to construe this award as highly prestigious. Both awards were national, not international. I don't see any of the other awards as highly prestigious; they appear to be routine and/or local in character. Ref 6, by the way, does not support the assertion made. I'm sure the subject is a very fine academic, but your enthusiasm for him meeting the criteria does not make it so. Hyperbole in the article - "notable projects", "work is recognized by numerous awards including" is unhelpful; promotional writing such as this is always a red flag. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hm - I do think that most research-active academics would find this award as highly prestigious.
 * There are only 24 awards per year (https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2023/11/national-academies-announce-2023-recipients-of-eric-and-wendy-schmidt-awards-for-excellence-in-science-communications), and only three per category . Prof. Bhamla was one of the three awarded in Research Scientist: Later Career.
 * At any rate, the combination of Prof. Bhamla's awards (Schmidt Futures Excellence in Sci. Comm., Criterion 2a notable foundation/society), publications in especially prestigious journals (https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.ade7759, Criterion 1e, partial), notable and impactful inventions (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-016-0009 https://www.wired.com/2017/01/paperfuge-20-cent-device-transform-health-care/, Criterion 1b), and his coverage in mainstream media (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/science/worm-blobs.html, https://www.ted.com/talks/saad_bhamla_the_fascinating_physics_of_insect_pee?language=en ,https://www.npr.org/2023/07/14/1187250226/how-do-insects-pee-a-seemingly-silly-question-that-led-to-a-physics-discovery, Criterion 7a) strongly suggests that Prof. Bhamla meets the notability requirements.
 * I apologize for not including some of these other sources in my original draft and I am interested to know your thoughts on these. Xwallawallax (talk) 05:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Xwallawallax: To demonstrate notability, you need to provide multiple independent sources. Articles written by Bhamla, interviews of Bhamla, and videos of Bhamla are not considered independent.  GoingBatty (talk) 06:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My thoughts are that it is a bit soon to say whether an award first implemented in 2022 is "highly prestigeous". The whirygig thing is interesting, but does it amount to a "notable and impactful invention"? Wired noticed it, but credit it to another researcher. What impact has it had? 1b asks for "In this case it is necessary to explicitly demonstrate, by a substantial number of references to academic publications of researchers other than the person in question, that this contribution is indeed widely considered to be significant and is widely attributed to the person in question." PR for the TED talk seems minimal. Butt flicking insects and their superpropulsion do not amount to 7a "substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity". What impact has it had? So, I really do not think there is an NACADEMIC pass here. Your best shot now is to find sufficient news media to get a WP:GNG pass. You have nothing in the article about butt flicking and there may be some centrifuge press which would show the sort of sustained interest in the subject's work needed for GNG. Or there may not, and it might all be a case of WP:TOOSOON. --Tagishsimon (talk) 06:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Xwallawallax: Note that the requirements say "reliable sources", meaning more than one. GoingBatty (talk) 04:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * From looking at the notability rule, the article is allowed if he is promote to full professor (tenure) बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's commonly known that:
 * Newsweek = NewsWeak ! 38.49.92.154 (talk) 19:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree with WP:TOOSOON. He is an assistant professor. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also see Notability (academics) as to why lesser awards do not contribute. David notMD (talk) 22:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, all, for the feedback - very helpful despite the sometimes condescending tone.
 * I do think there is a case to be made for Criterion 1 and 7. Here are multiple sources that have covered Prof Bhamla's work:
 * Worm blobs: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/science/worm-blobs.html ; https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/how-balls-of-blackworms-avoid-the-knotty-step/21808845 ; https://www.wired.com/story/researchers-are-studying-these-worm-blobs-to-build-robots/
 * Insect pee: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/14/1187250226/how-do-insects-pee-a-seemingly-silly-question-that-led-to-a-physics-discovery ; https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/quirks-mar-25-2023-1.6787590 ; + TED talk already discussed (1.3M views)
 * I do not think the assistant professor designation is sufficient to declare "Too soon" - there are other junior faculty with wikipedia entries that have similar caliber awards as Prof. Bhamla and significantly fewer external sources covering their research.
 * How do I proceed from here? I am happy to rewrite the article with the new information disclosed in this thread and submit it for re-evaluation - I admit my first draft was very bare bones. Xwallawallax (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Criterion 1 is for the people that everyone in their field cites. We'd expect to see something like a very high h-index, but that isn't the case here.
 * Criterion 7 is for people who are quoted in the popular media all the time, or who have written bestsellers for a lay audience. A couple of news articles about their work is not what this is about, this is for people who are regularly being asked on to news shows to comment on the science news of the day, even when they didn't have anything to do with the research themselves.
 * As to How do I proceed from here?, I would suggest you find a new subject who is more clearly notable. Some of the articles on winners of the National Medal of Science are quite short and could use expansion. - MrOllie (talk) 18:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional explanation. I hate to use 'what about-ism' but it is clear that the criterions are not being applied evenly with this candidate vs. others that are already up on Wikipedia.
 * For instance, can you point to the source in this page that meets one of the criterion?
 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Nance Xwallawallax (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is an example of somebody who does meet Criterion 1, for her development of nanoparticles that cross the blood-brain barrier - citations 4 through 9 of the article support that. They consequently also have a high h-index considering the stage of their career, and the individual papers associated with the discovery all have quite high citation counts. MrOllie (talk) 18:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Different draft???? The subject of this draft is male and refs 4-9 have nothing to do with nanoparticles. David notMD (talk) 10:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I was addressing a follow up question about how Elizabeth Nance meets notability criteria. - MrOllie (talk) 13:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I had missed that Xwallawallax had held up Elizabeth Nance as an example of an Assistant Professor meriting an article. David notMD (talk) 14:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Non-constructive?
I just spent the afternoon researching an author and wrote a complete updated to the page after being notified it was due for deletion. I just had my edit reverted as constructive. This can not be right. What do I need to do please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Viega Markpeloton (talk) 18:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, didn't see the other edits (only the last one). Wikipedia has pretty strict sourcing requirements for biographies of living people, and claims about someone's private life requires sources to be mentioned. Feel free to add back the parts with sources! Good luck editing, Chaotıċ Enby   (t · c) 18:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Markpeloton (talk) 20:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Image Replacement in entry for Gilbert Stuart (artist)
In the top row of illustrations, I'd like to replace Jacob Rodrigues Rivera (an old misattribution; not by Stuart), if possible, with William Curtis, 1775. Curtis is at Wikidata.org/wiki/Q460867. Although the Curtis portrait is not in color, it is by Stuart and retains the chronology by being definitely from 1775 (documented). I'll go to WikiCommons to let them know about the Rivera portrait. I don't know how to do this and would be grateful for any kind help. Thanks to the person who assisted me before. DEvans2 (talk) 16:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Courtesy links: Gilbert Stuart, commons:File:Jacob Rodriguez Rivera.jpg, wikidata:Q460867, commons:File:William Curtis - Gilbert Stuart.tif.


 * Hello, DEvans2, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can replace the image in the article by simply replacing the filename  by   (you need to get the spaces, punctuation, etc exactly right, so I suggest copying and pasting).
 * To pursue the issue of the misattribution, go to commons:COM:Help desk. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I have zero experience in this. How do you replace a file name?  I could not delete the previous one.  Also how do you add the new label, William Curtis, 1775, under the imported image.  Thanks. DEvans2 (talk) 19:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've done it for you, but, if you want, I can show you how to do it in my sandbox, so that you can deal with similar errors or changes yourself in the future. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 20:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Can you change the date to 1775, not c. 1775 and not italicized?  It's important for stylistic comparisons that it's an absolute, documented date.  I don't think I'll ever be doing this again.  I appreciate this help. DEvans2 (talk) 21:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

starting a new thread after that last one
if i am adding a book infobox image according to fair use rules, does it matter where i found the picture? Like what if i find it for sale on amazon or something, would that count? Again, I would fill in the wizard guidelines all separately and properly, but just wondering if where i find the image matters a whole lot. Does it need to officially be from the publisher? Sometimes that is not available, obviously when possible that is the first source and first type of place that i look for and that i try to stick to exclusively but it is just not always available. do those just not get images uploaded then in those cases? Iljhgtn (talk) 02:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * see Celebrations, Rituals of Peace and Prayer for an example where i had to use Barnes and Noble as a source. I will hold off on more of these until i know that that is acceptable, when it is a last resort for locating a book cover image for the infobox under fair use guidelines. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You should try and stick to official sources for non-free use as much as possible in order to avoid any problems with WP:NFCC (WP:NFC). Non-free content is required to be published with the consent of the the copyright holder. A website like Amazon or Barnes and Nobles should be OK because the copyright holder of the book most likely has either explicity or implicitly given their consent for the book to be sold in such a way. Personal blogs, or other types of WP:UGC websites probably should be avoided if they're not officially connected to the copyright holder. Moreover, photos taken by others of book covers should also be avoided if possible because the photo itself (depending upon whether it's a slavish reproduction of the cover) might also be eligible for copyright protection, seperate from the cover itself. Such a photo could still probably be used per relevant Wikipedia policy, but it might show only part of the cover or perhaps include other copyrightable elements which futher complicates things. Finally, if you're going to continue to upload non-free book covers, you probably will avoid confusing yourself and others if you stop referring to relevant Wikipedia policy as "fair use rules" because they're not the same thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * where am i referring to that so that i can stop doing that? thank you for clarifying too. amazon and barnes and noble seem to be common sources for book covers, but if i can find the image from the publishing house then that is preferred. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * You call it "fair use rules" in your initial post here: if i am adding a book infobox image according to fair use rules, does it matter where i found the picture?. Remember that Wikipedia's licence allows for explicitly commercial reuse of wp content - what might be fair use on wikipedia alone won't be fair use for all hypothetical commercial reuse. -- asilvering (talk) 02:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * i see. Iljhgtn (talk) 03:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Adding Archive url's to Reference's which are still live - Is it against policy? Yes or No?
Years ago I was told by an admin on here that archive url's from Wayback Machine, Archive.today etc, should only be added to references if the original url is dead, and it was apparently a policy.

I agreed with them as adding Archive url's to live url's make it look like they're dead, so someone less experienced might decide to replace them with a different link, or remove them altogether, without clicking on the link itself to see if it is actually dead.

A couple of weeks ago I noticed an admin (who has only been on Wikipedia for a few years, yet became an admin almost immediately) adding archive url's to every single reference on an article, so I told them what that admin told me.

They haven't replied to my reply, although someone else has, and they've said that they do the same, and isn't against policy. Danstarr69 (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi @Danstarr69,
 * Adding an archive URL should be fine, even if the site is still up. To do that, see Link rot, which provides info about adding an archive URL to a template.
 * Happy editing! 2NumForIce  (<sup style="color:#007eb3">speak  &#124; edits) 20:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:EARLYARCHIVE is a how-to page rather than a policy or guideline, but it specifically recommends adding archive links while the source is still live. The cite web template includes a parameter to control how the archive and original link are ordered based on whether the original page is still live. I know of no policy or guideline which prohibits or even discourages giving archive links for pages while they are still live. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 21:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You should totally add archive links while the page is still live, especially if the page isn't already archived in one of those repositories. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * To emphasize 's point, adding archive URLs to live sources (be sure to set the 'url-status' parameter to 'live' when you do) is usually extremely, extremely helpful for a number of reasons. 1) It means that the citation will continue to be useful once the source goes down. The InternetArchiveBot is both imperfect and (relatively) slow. I've seen many cases where the IAB thinks a link is unrecoverable when it's trivially recoverable by a human (but this discourages editors from trying because of the 'permanent dead link' tag it leaves), and it processes batches of 5000 articles at a time compared to Wikipedia's 6.75 billion. Meanwhile, a human reader both stumbling across the dead link and having the know-how and motivation to recover or flag it is rare. 2) Archives can be more difficult to obtain once the original source is dead – a proper archive may not exist where it could've had someone taken the time to create one, or if it does, it may not be at the same URL as the current one (for an example of this, IGN a long time ago changed their URL format, and Wikipedia still has probably hundreds if not thousands of citations linking to the old format which shows a 404 and doesn't redirect). 3) It saves other volunteers time as well down the road.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  00:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * To clear up one major misconception, there's usually no need to archive a live link yourself. URLs inside a citation templates on Wikipedia are automatically queued to be archived by Internet Archive. It can take awhile before a new URL is noticed and then archived, so if you expect the site to go down or the content to drift in the short term, it makes sense to archive the source yourself.Adding archives to live links as a mass action is not against policy, but some editors consider it disruptive. We've had lots of conversations about this at Wikipedia talk:Link rot, Wikipedia talk:Citing sources, and Help talk:Citation Style 1. You can always take a snapshot of your source at Internet Archive and take no action at Wikipedia if you're worried about the future availability of the source but don't believe in adding archives to live URLs.Of course, not all sources should be archived. I sometimes wonder how many of Internet Archive's literal eight hundred billion webpages are custom 404 errors, publisher paywalls that can't be logged into, and similar non-archive snapshots. These should generally be removed on sight, since they waste the time of both editors and readers. Folly Mox (talk) 03:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Stop asking me to donate
I don't want to donate to you. No thanks. I am extremely poor as it is, i can literally hold my all of my cash balance in my hands right now. It's fifteen dollars. Literally. Fifteen dollars. And I can't spend my fifteen dollars because everybody hates me. They wont sell things to me. So i live in this dilapidated, destroyed house that nobody cares about me being in. Half my insulation is missing and my window doesn't close very easily. Even if i had more than 15 dollars, i can't give it to you because it's physical cash. I cannot email you cash. I can MAIL you cash but that's more than fifteen bucks. I am seriously thinking of whether i will die tonight of sheer cold simply by freezing to death in my sleep, and you think i can give you money.

My fingers are pink already and it's only 8:45 pm as I'm typing this. I wish I had the nerve to beg everybody for money but i don't. I can't. I need to conserve energy. I should seriously stop typing this but i don't care anymore. You can pry my money from my cold dead hands, literally, my cold dead hands. It is absolutely fucking freezing out here. And you want me to spare you 3 dollars. Insane. Go sleep in your nice, warm server room. Hope you're happy.

Stay humble. 2601:204:C500:1280:8D0F:A955:E466:2147 (talk) 04:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Bummer. If you register and use a wikipedia account, you can then set your account preferences such that you are not shown donation adverts; see Preferences / Banners. --Tagishsimon (talk) 04:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no one who is presently reading this is responsible for the fundraising regimen or its banners, we are all just volunteers here. If you want to make the banners go away permanently, one way to do that is to create an account, and you can disable to display of fundraising banners or other types as well in your account preferences. Hope this helps. Remsense  留  04:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, that $15 is more than I've ever gotten for 10 years of editing. ~WikiOriginal-9~  ( talk ) 04:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Another method to disable donation banners is to use the Thank You page. This will suppress banners on the same device using the same browser. However, you have to go to this page on every device, and it's probably better to just register, sync histories between devices, then  2NumForIce  (<sup style="color:#007eb3">speak  &#124; edits) 05:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The bottom line is that nobody, whether extremely poor or very wealthy or anywhere in between is obligated to donate money to the Wikimedia Foundation, which is rolling in cash. They certainly do not need money from poor people. This is a free encyclopedia snd we take that literally. I have been a Wikipedia editor for 14 years, and an adminstrator for six years, and I have never donated a penny to the Wikimedia Foundation. Instead, I have donated countless thousands of hours to expanding and improving this encyclopedia, which I consider to be much more valuable than a few bucks here and there, which are quickly forgotten. Cullen328 (talk) 09:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No one wants you to donate if you cannot afford it. A donation is just that- a donation, not a demand for payment.  As noted by others, you can make the messages go away if you create an account and disable them in your account preferences.  Without an account, Wikipedia has no way to know that you have seen the donation requests. 331dot (talk) 10:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you go to preferences, you can turn off the banner. Babysharkboss2 was here!!  ( Shine on you ) ( Crazy Diamond ) 16:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That only works if they have an account. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

James Herriot / Alf Wight
At present, Wikipedia treats Alf Wight, the real life vet who wrote under the pen name James Herriot, as the latter, however there are some differences between the real life of Alf versus the fictional life of James, and I am half convinced that the article should be under Alf's name despite Naming_conventions_(people) ... I raised this topic as Talk:James_Herriot, without comment as yet; perhaps anyone with views on this would like to comment there. Of course if the consensus is that there should be no change, I will not mind! Thanks in advance - Tony Rees, Australia Tony 1212 (talk) 17:43, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Tony 1212 I think you're probably correct (I haven't looked into this enough to comment "officially" on the Talk page), but I'm not sure posting here is the most effective way to get the attention of people who are likely to have encountered this kind of question before. Maybe try WP:WPBIO or maybe WP:BOOKS as well? If you don't get much input, my suggestion would be to make a formal WP:RfD about swapping James Alfred Wight with James Herriot. -- asilvering (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks @asilvering, I have added "Rfc|bio" to the relevant Talk page section, will see what happens... Cheers Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 05:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

How to edit excessive and unrelated info
Hello,

I am a novice editor and I have found myself working on the Wartime sexual violence page. What I would like to know is how I should proceed in regard to the subsection on the Imperial Japanese Army. It is filled with excessive and unrelated information, but I do not wish to delete the detailed work of someone else without additional input. Should I save unrelated informative info to my personal files and transfer that information to a related page? Or should I just mass delete? Any help is much appreciated.

Many thanks! Cicadalovemail (talk) 16:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, Cicadalovemail, and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * The simple answer is that you don't have to save anything, because a) text in Wikipedia does not belong to anybody and the person who wrote it has no proprietary control over it, and b) it will all still be there in the history of the article anyway
 * But before removing significant material, I would suggest discussing it on the article's talk page. (You could even copy the material you want to remove into that discussion, so that it will still be readily accessible there if you do go ahead and delete it), If nobody has disagreed in, say, a week, go ahead and remove it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response! Hope you have a good day! Cicadalovemail (talk) 17:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Cicadalovemail: Building on the good answer above, if you decide to delete some text, please use a edit summary explaining why you're being constructive and thoughtful by deleting the material. If someone else reverts your edit and restores the text, you can discuss it on the article's talk page and come to a consensus.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) In looking at the before/after, I agree that much, perhaps the majority of the content about Japan during WWII had nothing to do with wartime sexual violence. You cut a lot of that and reduced references in that section from ~100 to ~30. It is possible that an editor who watches this article will revert your massive cut. The proper next step will be to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article, inviting the dissenting editor. David notMD (talk) 21:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll add to this that, because you are a new editor, it is reasonably likely that someone will revert your content removals. Easier said than done, but don't let this discourage you! Go to the Talk page as you've been advised, and everything should work out in the end. If you're having trouble, you can come back here to ask for another set of eyes on the problem. Good luck! -- asilvering (talk) 22:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

For the curious, the article is Wartime sexual violence, and as expected, it is a depressing read. David notMD (talk) 08:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Technical question about infobox
Greetings to all! I have a technical question: I have just created the article Batak Hydropower Cascade and in the infobox there is a repeating image, which I have not added. I guess there is some kind of automatic connection between the article and the image, and I really don't want to have it in the infobox, and even less, to have it three times. Since I would most likely not easily understand how to overcome these issues, I would highly appreciate if someone could edit out the images.

And another question: is it possible to add the geographic map of Bulgaria in the infobox, instead of the current one.

Sorry if the questions are mundane, but I am really terrible in all technical aspects of editing. Thank you in advance. --Gligan (talk) 19:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Here it is c:File:Bulgaria-geographic map-en.svg
 * Regarding the repetitive image, I too couldn't figure it out. Leoneix (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for giving it a try. I hope someone would figure it out.
 * As for the map, my idea is to have the map like in this article, for example. In the infobox of the Bulgarian settlements, I have figured out how to replace the administrative map with the geographic one, like this (see line 16) but for this infobox template this trick does not work. --Gligan (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * When I copy and paste the whole code on Batak Hydropower Cascade to my sandbox, the images to do not appear. The infobox is perfectly fine. Hope this helps other editors who are looking into this. Jeraxmoira (talk) 20:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, this is weird. The images are not visible now. Jeraxmoira (talk) 20:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, now I managed to figure it out myself. Apparently, the image in question was connected to the wikidata page of the Batak Hydropower Cascade/Way. I removed it there and it disappeared from the infobox.
 * Now only the question of pure aesthetics, not importance, remains: if it is possible to have the relieve map in this type of infobox, instead of the administrative. --Gligan (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Infobox dam pulls the image from the article's wikidata item when  is null. Your sandbox has no wikidata item. The cure will be to use something other than Infobox dam for the components of Batak Hydropower Cascade (or find a means of overriding the template's default behaviour). --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It is entirely wrong to vandalise the wikidata item by removing its image, because the WP templates are fouled up. I've readded the image to WD. Please do not remove it again. Other users of that WD item should be afforded the courtesy of it having its image. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Vandalism is, by definition, bad faith, which clearly isn't the case here… <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 20:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The dicdef of vandalism says nothing about bad faith. It is merely "action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property." --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sorry, I was just using Wikipedia's definition, which says: Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Similarly, Wikidata's definition: a deliberate attempt to damage or compromise the integrity of Wikidata. […] [A]ny good-faith attempt to improve Wikidata is not vandalism. It is not fitting to accuse good-faith but mistaken editors of vandalism. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 20:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My edit was not meant as a vandalism. I did not know that removing an image counts like one. The definitions used in some English-speaking countries are not familiar with me and certainly I had no clue that such an action may be defined as "destruction".
 * In any case, I hope another user could find a solution to the issue. --Gligan (talk) 20:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That's an odd tact to take—is it not expected to use Wikipedia's working definition of an important word like 'vandalism' when not otherwise specified, especially when attempting to help inquiring editors? Remsense  留  20:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You should also change tact to tack, Remsense. But thanks for joining in. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's beside the point, but I am aware of the provenance of the idiom. Not all variants are malapropisms or points for confusion. Remsense  留  20:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Anyway, the problem seems to be Infobox dam pulling the image from Wikidata if none is specified. Is there precedent for adding a parameter to disable this? <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 20:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added a  parameter that, if nonempty, prevents any image, including from Wikidata, from being displayed. See Infobox dam/sandbox, and User:Maddy from Celeste/sandbox for how the article's infobox would look with this change. If we agree on this, I can put in an edit request to have this implemented in the actual infobox. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 20:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Infobox dam uses Module:InfoboxImage which automatically suppresses certain image names. I have used . We could just document this but I don't know whether the list of suppressed image names is completely stable. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd sure hope that a central module like that would provide a stable interface. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 21:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. --Gligan (talk) 21:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have suggested an  parameter at Module talk:InfoboxImage. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Split interpretations of policy leading to confusion
It seems Admins and Editors alike all have different interpretations of Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Where one page using criteria A gets deemed as within guidelines, another page using "criteria A" gets deleted or drafted by other editors.

Specifically, there seems to be an issue with citations and how many are needed. There seems to be no consensus on how many citations a subject needs. '''How many citations should a good wikipedia article have? How can I find worthy citations outside of google (Tools, resources, etc?)'''

ALSO: Seeing as how OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't valid argument to base the quality of an article/page:

How do I find reference articles that aren't just "other articles that exist," and are actually GOOD articles? Comintell (talk) 02:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In answer to the first question, the answer is not an ordinal, so much as All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose) - per Good article criteria.


 * As to the second, ~39k of them at Category:Good articles. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The best examples will be at WP:FA. As for how many, there are some editors who act as though all statements need to be sourced; that isn't actually the policy. The policy is that all statements need to be verifiable. But I'm not sure this is actually what you mean to ask - it sounds to me like you're asking about notability. The consensus on that is at WP:N. If you want to get a better handle on how it works, my advice is to lurk at WP:AFD for a while. -- asilvering (talk) 02:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Changed your category to a category link. GoingBatty (talk) 03:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Comintell: Note that "Good articles" (GA) has a specific meaning on Wikipedia, which you may not have intended with your question. For more information on how Wikipedia articles are graded based on their quality, see Content assessment.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I would pause for a moment to consider what consensus on this would even look like. It seems absurd to set a fixed number, does it not? Unfortunately, flexibility and arbitrariness go hand in hand: for me, it's clear the pros of the former are worth the cons of the letter for a point like this. Remsense  留  02:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Comintell In relation to your How can I find worthy citations question, there is a useful template that you'll often see on an article-for-deletion discussion or on the Talk Page of articles. It also works within your sandbox. It is find sources which renders as
 * . Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with Remsense. Trying to find some hard, fixed number shouldn't be a goal. Some topics need more, complex, citations, others don't. And so on. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 12:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, how do you make a diagonal line in a edit? I really need to know so I can seperate different sections!
How do you make a diagonal line in the editor? Removingthegraffiti (talk) 17:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * what do you mean a diagonal line? Do you mean you want a to make a new HEADER/section in the article, or like, an actual LINE
 * In the article? Babysharkboss2 was here!!  ( Shine on you ) ( Crazy Diamond ) 18:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Removingthegraffiti, welcome to the Teahouse. A diagonal line is tilted like a slash / or backslash \. Is that really what you mean? If you mean a horizontal line like the one posted above by Babysharkboss2 then we don't do that in articles per Manual of Style/Layout, but one is automatically added below level 2 headings like . See more at Help:Section. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I meant a straight line. Thank you! Removingthegraffiti (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, I meant a straight line. Thank you! Removingthegraffiti (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Photos of corpses
Hi teahouse, can anyone point me to a style guideline, essay, or discussion anywhere about the use of photos of corpses in articles? I'm of course aware of WP:NOTCENSORED, but it's very normal for press and publishers to have some kind of guideline on when they are useful and when they are crossing a line (into voyeurism, privacy/rights violations, tastelessness, and all kinds of other reasons), and I expect we've had that discussion somewhere. -- asilvering (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Closest I can find at the moment is Manual_of_Style/Images. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks @RudolfRed, that's close enough. -- asilvering (talk) 06:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, that only mentioned "vulgar or obscene" as the reasons an image can be potentially offensive. I just added "horrifying". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Together Price
Hello Teahouse Community!

Good day to you all. I have a question regarding my draft, Draft:Together Price, which has been declined a couple of times. I was wondering if the sources below are reliable. If you could also check the page itself, that would be great.

El Mundo La Stampa Corriere della Sera El Español Il Sole 24 Ore

Thank you. CGxoxo (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I know that most of them are, CGxoxo. I'd guess that the others are too. NB you have been asked for sources that are reliable and "in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)" and secondary and disinterested. (Incidentally, what does "platform" mean here? Just "company"?) -- Hoary (talk) 13:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Referencing routine financial transactions does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Empty preview
The preview for Hell Gate currently shows me a picture next to space for text, but without any text in it. Looking at the wikitext, the article starts with two images, the first with a landscape and the second with a portrait orientation. The one in the preview is the portrait one. Is this a known issue?

- 2A02:560:58AF:6800:EC6B:2655:5895:CC79 (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Some things can prevent the preview feature from finding the right text. I have moved Coord to the bottom. That works for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * For me too. Cheers! :)
 * - 2A02:560:58AF:6800:EC6B:2655:5895:CC79 (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

National Register pages template or standard?
Looking for some guidance on best practice. I'm reading around in National Register of Historic Places pages and see variations in the maps offered in the right side bar. See these examples:

Anoka Post Office (has a location map, a local map, as well as state and country) Fort Snelling (state map only) Fort Payne Depot Museum (state and country maps) Blood Run Site (no maps, just pictures)

Some archaeological sites are "address restricted" such as: Big Gyp Cave Pictograph site (but the county where it is located is mentioned and could be mapped?)

What's the best practice for maps for these National Register pages? Because they are all in the National Register of Historic Places, is it valuable to standardize this sidebar information?

Thanks, y'all. BilCen (talk) 16:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @BilCen: Welcome to the Teahouse! The "right side bar" is Infobox NRHP, and what maps can be added is listed in the Template:Infobox NRHP documentation.  The WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Style guide doesn't seem to detail which maps should (or should not) be used.  You may wish to start a conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Style guide to develop (or clarify) the best practice.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Aftermath as a section title for prowrestling shows
I've found and changed a few sections titled "Aftermath" to "Plot Summary" for a few prowrestling tv specials. When I clicked see also, I just kept finding more. Am I wrong to update these, or does Wikipedia prefer an in-universe description for these shows? Should I continue? Ultraneutral (talk) 08:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * While WP:INUNIVERSE is a continual problem faced in the pro wrestling corner of Wikipedia (I say this as someone who heavily edits those areas), this format is currently the accepted style for pro wrestling event articles (see WP:PW/MOS). Changing this format would require consensus at WP:PW. — <i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i> (<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>) 08:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not one who edits much in that corner, but doesn't quite make sense to me. If that is "plot summary", isn't "Storylines" and "Event" plot summaries too? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ultraneutral: Looking at Survivor Series (2017), it seems that the "Aftermath" section discusses what happened AFTER Survivor Series. I would expect a "Plot Summary" section to discuss what happened DURING Survivor Series.  However, I agree with the suggestion about to discuss with the members of the WikiProject. GoingBatty (talk) 16:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Goal achived
Hello I have achived the sole goal of this account and logged back into my main account @Casper King. What steps would I use in order to disengage this account as it is now a sock puppet? HelpCasperking (talk) 14:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * HelpCasperking you can just stop using the account, and declare the WP:SOCKLEGIT purpose on your user page. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 15:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know if sockpuppet would be it, I think it'd be WP:SPA Babysharkboss2 was here!!  ( Shine on you ) ( Crazy Diamond ) 17:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * While it is an account with a singular purpose, it is not considered to be a single-purpose account as that essay defines it. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Right, HelpCasperking is just an alternative account. We don't call them WP:SOCK or WP:SPA unless they are used for certain things. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Finding sources for childhood studies article
Hello! I'm a fairly inexperienced editor and noticed the Childhood studies article had very little in text citations and also just some obvious issues with its content. I've made some small edits but I'm really struggling with finding reliable sources of information when it comes to writing about the history of the field, since searching tends to only reveal articles from the field itself. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated. Sillypilled (talk) 18:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . One of the first results I found on Google Scholar was this book chapter, which gives a brief history of the field. That might be helpful as a starting point, especially if you're able to get access to the full text of the chapter (you could try WikiProject Resource Exchange). This article also looks promising. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Help with citation dates
Hi everyone!

I'm a student currently working on a wikipedia article for a class project. I recently generated a references page for this article: Outgroup Favoritism and nearly every citation has this error: " : Check date values in:  (help)" Could someone explain to me why this is happening and what I can do to troubleshoot it? Thank you! Lienne Lcupal (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I think the template wants dates in any of the formats shown in the 'Acceptable date formats' table at MOS:DATE. Some of the cites in the article are in the format 2008-06, which does not work. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Lcupal: Hi there! Many dates in the references in the article are in the format ####-##.  If you click on the (help) link, you'll go to Help:CS1 errors.  Scroll down and you'll see a table that shows "Ambiguous date range or year and month" with the example "2002-".  To remove the errors, dates in this format need to be changed to 2002–03 or 2002.  I run a bot daily to fix the non-ambiguous date formats, which has fixed most of them.  Could you please fix the rest?  Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

book articles without a cover image
i'd like to help add book cover images within the guidelines of fair use. i have gotten pretty good at doing that. is there a way that i could pull a list of articles about books, likely modern books so that the image is readily findable, that might not have a cover image in their infobox? I could help add those images. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Iljhgtn. We have Category:Books with missing cover. and  combines it with a recent year in  . PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * one returned result was Bruno Maddox which is an author, not a book. Overall though this is a great answer. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Bruno Maddox is there correctly actually - scroll down a bit and you'll find the infobox with missing cover. -- asilvering (talk) 01:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * i see it now. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Except that trying to add a non-free book cover to Bruno Maddox is most likely going to fail WP:NFCC due to WP:NFC. If the category is simply being populated by articles using Infobox book with an empty image parameter, then I suggest you just don't automatically assume that a non-free book cover should be added to every article listed in the category. For stand-alone article about books, where the image is being added to main infobox at the top of the article for primary identification purposes, then adding a non-free book cover is probably OK; for other types of articles or other types of uses, chances are that's it's not. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC); [Note: Poste dited by Marchjuly to add the word "assume" to second sentence. -- 22:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)]
 * ok, i will only add it then for those atop the article in the primary infobox and will leave the rest alone going forward. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ok new question for you two. once i upload an image. look at Lennon Bermuda for example. it should no longer show up in the list right? I have clicked refresh even and it still shows up in the 2000s list. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I think because this is dependent on another template (rather than being a maintenance category that is manually added by editors), it will not immediately update. I can't give you anything more specific than that because I don't know much about the back end of mediawiki. -- asilvering (talk) 02:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Iljhgtn: Once you upload an image AND add it to the article's infobox, the category should no longer appear. The Lennon Bermuda article has TWO infoboxes: Infobox album with an image, and Infobox book without an image.  I don't know which infobox should have the image.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * oh the book actually. my mistake on that. i will move them Iljhgtn (talk) 03:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * actually others have cover images too.. not sure now if this is reliable. check out Henderson's Boys Iljhgtn (talk) 01:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not a cover image, that is a logo for the book series. The individual books within the series don't have cover images.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * i see Iljhgtn (talk) 01:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That search is incomplete. A_House_on_Water is a 2022 book missing a cover image.  The infobox is using "publication date" not "published" so that explain it.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * can you help to fix the search? i did find others that were returning what i was looking for such as Lennon Bermuda, which i will find and upload a fair use image for right now.. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Replying to myself, the search may not be incomplete, I think I misunderstood a previous comment. RudolfRed (talk) 01:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ok Iljhgtn (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This finds both  and  : . File:My Little Blue Dress book cover.jpg inaccurately says: "to serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the work in question." I don't know fair use rules for images in article sections about subtopics. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * interesting point. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * i think it is still fair use, maybe just the description could be amended? Iljhgtn (talk) 02:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's fair use perhaps but fair use and non-free content are not one and the same for Wikipedia's purposes. Wikipedia's non-free content use policy has been intentionally set up to be more restrictive than fair use; so, it's best not to mix up the two concepts. In-body use of non-free cover art (with or without an infobox) is almost always considered WP:DECORATIVE non-free use per WP:NFC absent any sourced critical commentary about the cover art itself. The same applies to most other types of cover art like album covers, magazine covers, DVD covers, etc. Most infoboxes have a parameter for images by default, but that doesn't automatically make it OK for a non-free image to be used there. In some cases, non-free book cover art could be used in an article about the person who created the cover as an example of their work or particular style, but generally they're not allowed to be used in articles about authors just because the author wrote the book which the cover represents. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC); [Note: Post edited by Marchjuly to add a missing "doesn't" to the second to last sentence. -- 12:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)]
 * i see. so restrictive! thank you though. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Marchjuly. Did you miss a "doesn't" in "that automatically make it OK"? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. Thank you for a catching that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

How to upload a picture to wikimedia with the proper permission?
Hello everyone,

As a new content editor on Wikipedia, I am currently facing challenges in uploading a picture. I have obtained explicit permission from the copyright holder/author, clearly stated in an email. They have granted me permission to reuse the picture for public documentation and as a memorial for the person depicted. However, the same picture is published on their website without any attached license. I am unsure about the correct steps to secure permission, especially since my intent is to use the picture non-commercially. Any guidance on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Plantton (talk) 18:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @Plantton Hi, and welcome! You can upload the photo to Wikimedia Commons at c:Special:UploadWizard, then have them send the permission using the release form at c:com:RELGEN to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Thanks for contributing, and let me know if you have any questions! &mdash; Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull; contribs) 18:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Plantton, it may be easier, for you at least, if the copyright holder registers and uploads it themselves. Note that they have to release it under a, which means they have to allow the pic to be used commercially. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi . Giving you permission or giving permission for use as a memorial aren't sufficient per Wikipedia's copyright policy. What is needed is for the copyright holder to give their WP:CONSENT (or c:COM:CONSENT) and this basically means that the copyright holder agrees in advance to give everyone one in the world permission to reuse the photo anyway they want at anytime they want with only some minimal restrictions to meet. So, before you upload anything, you might want to ask the copyright holder of the photo to take a look at this Creative Commons license information page about some licenses commonly considered OK for Wikipedia purposes. Please note that Wikipedia doesn't accept any license that places restrictions on commercial reuse or derivative reuse (as explained in Wikipedia:Copyrights), unless it's being licensed as non-free content, which has its own specific policy in addition to Wikipedia:Image use policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I need help with my draft for Raegan Revord
Hey there! I could really use some help with submitting my draft for Raegan Revord. I messed up and accidentally deleted the template that shows the submit for review. I also tried moving it to the mainspace, but that didn't work out. Any chance someone could lend a hand and submit it for me or place that template? Here is the draft. Thanks a bunch in advance to anyone who can help out! Aona1212 (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added the necessary template at User:Aona1212/sandbox. Be aware of Draft:Raegan Revord which has serially been turned down when presented at Articles for Creation. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Tagishsimon! Thank you for the help and for telling me about the draft. I'm going to check on it and update the page. I just wanted to see if it gets accepted. Thank you. Aona1212 (talk) 22:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

About the deletion of my contributions
Hello Dear Wikipedians,

The user named Sira Aspera deletes my contributions without giving any reason. I contribute by citing sources. For example, he/she always deletes the information that Bezmialem Sultan was from the Machabeli family of Georgian origin. I think I have been treated unfairly. Please help me on this. The articles I mentioned are:

Bezmialem Sultan

Amilakhvari

Lortkipanidze

Abdulmejid I

Machabeli

etc. Rime (talk) 22:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Rime, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at User:Sira Aspera's edits, I see they revert quite frequently without edit summaries, which is against policy. I shall drop them a note on their talk page. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH)</b> 22:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Dear Wikipedian. Rime (talk) 22:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)