Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 122

Article on company: allowed to include quotes from an interview?
Hello there, I'm writing my first Wikipedia article, and decided to write it on a company I have been studying for quite a while as part of my curriculum. The company is Eddy Merckx Cycles, a bike manufacturer founded by former professional cyclist Eddy Merckx. Then name of the company is quintessential to its reputation and brand name, as Eddy Merckx is considered the "Mohammed Ali" or "Pele" of cycling, in other words, the world's greatest ever cyclist. Now, as I wanted to know more about his vision of the brand, I interviewed Eddy Merckx a few weeks ago, and asked him why he created his company, what are important characteristics of his bikes, etc. I included quotes of this interview in the article. Unfortunately, the reviewer of my article declined the article, partly on the basis that I should refer to ''a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy.'' I feel that it was rather a good idea to ask the subject of the article himself to give quotes on the 'why' of certain things in his company, and would like to keep on using the interview as a source for quotes. Is this appropriate? If so, should I upload the interview on YouTube so it becomes verifiable? Many thanks for looking into my question.

Petervanham (talk) 05:45, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Petervanham. What you are describing is your original research, and at the present time, this interview is not acceptable as a source on Wikipedia. Uploading it to YouTube does not solve the problem because your personal upload has no editorial supervision or fact checking, and no established reputation for reliability. I suggest that you try to have the interview published in an established bicycling magazine. It could then be cited after publication. I hope this helps.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  22:49, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There is already a nice page for Eddy_Merckx_Cycles and one for Eddy Merckx. Both pages could use more citations, references and cross-linking -- especially the company page which has been cited as an orphan page.  An excellent project for a new Wikipedian.Saltwolf (talk) 05:00, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

License
Can anyone help me get a license? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 06:05, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Derek. I presume that you mean a license to use a photograph.  Usually the photographer who took the photo owns the rights to it, and you would have to ask that person to give you permission to use it.  Sometimes a photographer is paid to take photos, and the person who paid the photographer owns the rights. Sometimes people upload photos to web sites and specifically give licenses for certain uses, but you need to be careful that the person really owned the rights in the first place.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 06:19, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Citation tag help.
I've run into a situation on the page I'm working on. Someone used a tag I haven't seen before and can't seem to find in the help and style pages.

It adds a citation, complete with retrieved date. The problem is it's outdated (2000 census info on factfinder, retrieved in 2008.) I would like to know a little more about that tag before I just remove it and put in a regular citation. RageBanken (talk) 04:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found it finally. Thanks anyway!

It was down in the collapsed templates list. Oddly, this is a pretty hard thing to find in documentation, at least when trying to search for it without knowing what it is.RageBanken (talk) 04:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Nevermind! Found it burried in the collapsed list of templates.

This is really hard to find by searching the documentation, if you don't know what it is...RageBanken (talk) 04:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Quick Answer - Guild of Copy Editors
Hello all,

I am a host myself here at the Teahouse, but I had a quick question for any of you who are a member of the Guild of Copy Editors. I find that the responses at the Guild of Copy Editors portal seem to be relatively delayed, so I was wondering if any of you could answer my question here --JustBerry (talk) 03:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi JustBerry! I am a Junior Wrangler here at the teahouse, and I have replied to your question in the other location as requested. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:39, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

LeBron James
Can we update LeBron James page photo, and have him holding his Championships? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 02:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Derek, and welcome! In order to add a new picture to the article, it would have to be properly licensed.  Wikipedia cannot use just any picture.  If you have a camera, and want to go to his house and ask him kindly to hold up his trophy and you take a picture of him, upload it to Wikipedia, and agree to license it according to Wikipedia's image use policy we'd be glad to have it.  Otherwise, we're probably not going to be able to get said picture into the article.  -- Jayron  32  02:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

High School players
Can we get pics, on the pages of Andrew Harrison, Araon Harrison, Aaron Gordon, Julius Randle?? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 01:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Derek and Welcome! The easiest way to get pictures onto Wikipedia is to get out your camera, take the picture yourself, then upload it and agree to license the picture with a license that is compatible with Wikipedia's licenses, being GFDL and cc-by-sa.  Unfortunately, unless a picture has a proper license or is unambiguously in the public domain, Wikipedia cannot normally use it.  So, even if we could find pictures of these people somewhere on the internet, we could not add them to Wikipedia articles, because doing do would violate Wikipedia's own license and image use policy.  -- Jayron  32  02:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Buying a camera is definitely the best way. Something that may very slightly encourage others to buy cameras and to use them for this purpose, is to add to the talk pages of the articles concerned; if it's not there already and if there is no photo at all in the article. This will indicate to other editors that a photo for the article has been requested. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Garrett gilkey
Garrett Gilkey page is messed up. Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 00:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Derek! Was there a formatting error? Another editor appears to have fixed it since your last edit there. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Status of Millis Transfer article
I resubmitted an article on Millis Transfer adding citations and notable facts as directed by Wikipedia editors. How can I find out the status of that article or if it is approved? Bringstaff (talk) 16:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Bringstaff. When you edited your article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Millis Transfer, Inc., you removed the pink decline box. That left you with no way to resubmit the article. I have added it back again on the page. Now if you go to the page and click on the resubmit button, your article should be reviewed shortly. Good luck with your editing. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

How do I create a Wikipedia box on Google?
Whenever I search up a celebrity, there are these Wikipedia boxes on Google. How do I create one? Sponge9 (talk) 15:17, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Sponge9, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I know, those are created by Google' own software, based on how popular the topic is and how relevant Google judges the Wikipedia article to be. So all you can do is work to make the Wikipedia article in question as accurate and comprehensive as possible.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  15:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * See also Knowledge Graph and Template:HD/GKG. Note that Google only uses Wikipedia for part of the box. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:58, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Move userspace article
Can an admin of this house move User:Titodutta/Swami Vivekananda's 150th birthday celebration initiatives to User:Titodutta/Swami Vivekananda's 150th birth anniversary celebration initiatives? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 09:27, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tito and welcome. I don't have the necessary permissions to make the move, but I am curious as to why you want to make that change. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   09:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Anniversary is more frequently used and sounds better. It will continue throughout this year. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 10:02, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Surely you can do it yourself...(?) Mdann52 (talk) 10:10, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Tito, Why do you need an admin to move that page? You can move that as Mdann52 said.-- Pr at yya  (Hello!) 12:39, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Mdann52 Tried it, did not succeed. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 13:00, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have moved it. I haven't examined what the non-admin move problem may have been. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. A part of the title was blacklisted. -- Tito ☸ Dutta 14:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm having difficulties getting an article I wrote published..
I wrote an article :

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Pharming Group N.V.

it was reviewed and rejected, I'm confused as to why.. the comments don't really make sense, at least I'm struggling to see the issues, could you help me by narrowing them down?

Thank you :)

Sembleton (talk) 08:35, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Sembleton and welcome to the Teahouse. The very first sentence says the company "specializes in solutions to unmet medical needs." That is marketing language which is cited to the company's website. The primary references supporting claims in the article should be independent, reliable sources unaffiliated with the company.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  15:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In addition, the article says that the company created Herman the Bull, a genetically modified bovine. That article says there was an "ethical storm" about that experiment. If that is the case, then the article about the company that created the creature should describe the controversy neutrally, giving due weight to all points of view on the issue. This must be a neutral encyclopedia article, not an online company brochure. I hope my comments help.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  15:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Another issue is that all the references but one (about Herman) seem to be from the websites of the company or its business partners, or a press release issued by them. The article must be built on independent sources.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  15:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

New article
Can i write an article on Mr. Francis A.Andrew, who has got 5 of his books published through traford and has two upcoming books by unknown publishers as of yet. He is currently an english lecturer in a university, but frequently travels to talk and give lectures aish.ego (talk) 07:40, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello there, aish.ego! Before deciding to write about Mr. Andrew, first see in you can find several independent sources of information, such as book reviews, news reports, or magazine articles about him.  They must be written by authors not connected with him or his publishing company.  If you can find these, then it's time to write the article.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 07:57, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Anne aish.ego (talk) 08:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Reference problems
Can you help me what should i do with these problems: (this is given by an editor)

imgur is a scan of a copyrighted article which makes it a copyright violation that we cannot link to - How can i make a magazine one of my references? It's a hard copy and i've scanned it so that i can post it but he says it's a copyright violation.

Very sparse in terms of references for the amount of content that is included. - So i have to put references in every claims? like mission and vision?

Mskilight (talk) 02:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Mskilight. You seem to be mistaking the source itself (the magazine article) with the reference to the source (the description of the magazine article in the body of the Wikipedia article). In the case of a magazine article, the important items are the author of the article, the title of the article, the name of the magazine, the date of publication and the page number. If the magazine is an official publication of an organization, list that too.


 * Now, if the magazine hosts a copy of the article on their website, you can link to that authorized copy. If the article is not available in an authorized version, no link is needed. Instead, you can add a direct quote of a couple of sentences to the reference. Choose the passage that supports the point you are trying to make.


 * Link only to a copy of an article that is official, such as those on the magazine's website, the author's website, or an authorized anthology. To link to an unauthorized copy violates copyright. I hope this helps.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  02:57, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Hi Mskilight. Sources that we cite to do not need to be online . You simply need to provide a citation with good attribution so that a user can check the source themselves, which includes going to a library. Often the best sources are books, which are not available online. Please see Offline sources, WP:SOURCEACCESS and Reliable sources/Cost. You do no necessarily need to cite every sentence to a reliable source (though you must for all quotations, all controversial claims whether positive neutral or negative, and all facts anyone has challenged; see WP:BURDEN), but everything in the article should be verifiable to a source, meaning even if you haven't yet placed a source (verifying it), it must be able to verified in a reliable source; we do not properly include any facts that have not already been published (See Original research). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:01, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much. Very much appreciated. :)

Mskilight (talk) 03:59, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Since I've been mentioned tangentially I'll give context. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mineski is the Article that the user submitted. There's multiple references to other wikis, which are user submitted and not appropriate as reliable sources. There's a reference to the official site of this Pro Gaming orginzation. There's the imgur image posting of a magazine scan which in itself is a copyright violation. There's a very large amount of text with very few sources (some sections without any sources at all). For these reasons I declined the AfC submission.  In addition the user recently executed a name change due to the name being much too close to the subject of the proposed article to be free of Conflict of Interest problems. Hasteur (talk) 19:19, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

How do you make links to a page that say "here" or something?
So, just curious. If you don't know what I mean, this is what I mean. Sometimes, I see links that just say "here" or something. When I click on the "here" link, it takes me to an article that has nothing to do with the word "here." How do you make that kind of link? CakeRox (talk) 22:05, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note, this is the "edit source" answer. If you are using visual editor the process is different, though it makes the same changes to the source code.
 * The answer is something that we call piped links. Let's say you wanted to link to kittens with the word "this". You type the code  this  to produce a link that looks like: this. --LukeSurlt c 22:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi CakeRox and welcome to the Tea House. Here is an example of what I think you are asking for:

To see Led Zeppelin's discography click here

The code to do that is "To see Led Zeppelin's discography click here" A wiki link consists of two parts, the side to the left of the "|" is the page you are linking to. The stuff to the right is the text that will be displayed to the user for the link. BTW, IMO this style of hypertext is old fashioned and not favored by most people who do web design for a living. I'm not an expert on web design but I have read about and done a fair amount and most of the designers I knew shied away from that kind of linking. It made sense back when the Internet was really new and people were unfamiliar with the idea of clicking on text but no longer. So in this example I would be more likely to just code this as follows: " Led Zeppelin's discography" which would look like this to the user: Led Zeppelin's discography. You can easily create this links and the appropriate text using the link tool (it looks like the link in a chain) in the editor. You can highlight the text you want to start with and then click the link tool. It will prompt you with two lists, one for the page to link to (showing only pages that exist) and the other where you can just edit the text to be displayed any way you want. Mdebellis (talk) 23:11, 7 July 2013 (UTC) Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll try that next time a want to do a "here" link. CakeRox (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Trying desperately to finalise edit on AATTV page.
There are several numbers and notations at the end of each paragraph. This is all double-dutch to me except for notation saying the paragraph needs some sort of verification. This may take me some time as I had not anticipated such detailed protocols. I cannot understand how wikipedia means to re-cover history with such complex pages of everything but what you want. Especially from computerr illiterates. I need help here. Just what do I need to do to have the edit accepted...in plain English please without the wikipediaese. With thanks. Laurie Nicholson. Laurie nicholson (talk) 09:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Laurie,
 * I am assuming this is about the Unit badge section in the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam article. Is that correct? If so...
 * The numbers are citations (also known as 'references'). They each link to a line in the "Notes" section of that article.  Anything in   tags will become a citation in this way and create a little blue number.
 * The notations are tags called templates. In this case, they are "inline maintenance templates" which are used to show where the encyclopedia needs improvement or repair.  I can see , which is created by the page needed template, and  , which is created by the reliable source template.
 * With "page needed", the user that added the template thinks that the citation needs to include a page number, for the actual information in the book you used as a reference. This is to allow future users to find and check the information if they want to do so. To solve this, just add the number in the sfn template after   and remove the page needed template when you are done.
 * With "unreliable source", the user that added the template doubts whether the source used can be trusted. We have an entire page of guidelines about this: Identifying reliable sources.  Secondary sources (eg. books about an event) are prefered over primary sources (eg. personal letters of those involved in an event) because the former can have a better analysis of the situation and is generally considered to be more reliable.  (For reference, Wikipedia itself is a tertiary source and is also considered to be unreliable as a source accoridng to Wikipedia's policy.)  This is harder to solve.  You would either need to find a better, more reliable source to back up the first one or you would need to prove that the source you have used really is reliable.  The unit history (mentioned in the article) would count as a reliable source, and I think the "22-page investigation" would probably count as well.  I have actually removed the second of these templates because a primary source is a reliable source for a direct quote.  If you do have a further source, however, adding as many as possible to the article can help.
 * The user who added these templates has explained their reasons on your talk page. If you have specific questions about these reason, it might help to contact them about it. (Add a section to their talk page to do so.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:13, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * G'day, Laurie, as I explained at the other place you posted – here – I was in the process of obtaining the book you added from the library so that I could help you by adding the page number myself. I have now done this for you (the book arrived today), and also added a few other references to the article that I got through the library. Is the AAHU's 22-page report on the internet, or does the AAHU website mention it at all? If so, if you can provide me with a link, I will add that to the article for you also. IMO, that would count as a reliable source. When I say "link", I mean something that looks like this "http://www.aattv.iinet.net.au", which you will see close to the top of the computer screen when you are viewing a web page. As I said earlier, if you have any further questions, I am happy to help you. Please post your questions on my talk page, which you can find by clicking here. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 12:16, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Map
I want to use a map of south east Asia and mark 17 places of India and Sri Lanka (then use it at Lectures from Colombo to Almora. Can anyone help? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 04:36, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Titodutta, I'd recommend posting a request at Graphics Lab/Map workshop. They're pretty busy, so not every request always finds a volunteer willing to do it, but your request is pretty simple - so I bet someone will help you there. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:05, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tito! Would this map work? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 05:21, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Dharmadhyaksha Yes, it looks fine, it'll be perfect if these locations are included Lectures_from_Colombo_to_Almora (note, there are some mistakes in the name of the places, but, I have followed the spelling used in the book like "Lecture in "Location"", which might be discussed.) -- Tito ☸ Dutta 05:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay! I will add it to the article. And will bother you if i don't understand some old names. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 05:30, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Uploading pictures
Hello guys. Can any of you uplaod these pictures to Wikimedia Commons ? 54.227.72.221 (talk) 10:44, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/radio1interactive/4461707115/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/russell_reno/2926156896/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/giarc80/3977387774/ → already on Commons as File:John-Paul-Jones2.jpg
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/geshmally/6137228159/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/geshmally/6137225275/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/geshmally/6137228159/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/geshmally/6137769050/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/geshmally/6137775520/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/geshmally/6137225275/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/russell_reno/566882396/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/russell_reno/566794256/in/photostream/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/russell_reno/567269159/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/russell_reno/566794256/in/photostream/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/russell_reno/567242303/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/pahudson/8699675921/ ✅ see File:John Paul Jones playing alongside Seasick Steve at the Roundhouse (8699675921).jpg
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/pahudson/8699672797/ ✅ see File:John Paul Jones playing alongside Seasick Steve at the Roundhouse (8699672797).jpg
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/pahudson/8700800098/ ✅ see File:John Paul Jones playing alongside Seasick Steve at the Roundhouse (8700800098).jpg
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/giarc80/3977387774/ → already on Commons as File:John-Paul-Jones2.jpg
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/giarc80/3976679315/ → already on Commons as File:John-Paul-Jones1.jpg
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/djayawarman/4699540582/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/capital_m/4129855208/ ❌
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/capital_m/4129087701/ ❌


 * list of links reformatted for clarity.
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the first one of these is licensed only for non-commercial use, so may not be uploaded to Commons, and may not be used on Wikipedia unless the use meets the criteria for using non-free images. The same is true for the first of the geshmally photos. I haven't checked the rest, but I suspect that they are all or mostly covered that way. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 13:07, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there and welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, unless you own the copyright to these images, we cannot upload them to Commons. All images, with few exceptions such as Fair Use Images, are licensed under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 or the GFDL, which essentially means that the photo can be freely copied, with certain restrictions. If you do want to upload your own photo, you need to license it under the licenses listed at WP:ICTIC. Further copryight information can be seen at here. Hope this helps, Hallows Aktiengesellschaft  ( talk ) 13:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've gone through your complete list and there were a few that were OK, so I've transferred them to commons as requested. I've marked each one to show where it is or why it couldn't be transferred (whichever was appropriate).  These and more can be found in Commons:Category:John Paul Jones (musician).  If you are interested, further details about transferring images from Flickr to Commons can be found at Commons:Flickr files (there is even a special tool for it on Wikimedia Labs). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:25, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, to clarify, "non-commercial" and "no derivative" are different types of Creative Commons licence but these are not allowed on Wikimedia Commons because, as they limit re-use of the images, they are not considered to be truly free. One of the images was uploaded with full copyright reserved by the photographer, so it would be illegal to host it on Commons or re-use the image. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:29, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * This request probably should have been redirected/sent to WP:FFU... Guess it is a moot point now... Technical 13 (talk) 17:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Chris anderson
On Chris BirdMan Andersons page it's totally messed up. Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 01:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * by  JHU  bal  27  02:14, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, mostly you fixed it, JHUbal. You beat me to it!  :)  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 02:16, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Never knew images could mess up an infobox. JHU  bal  27  02:20, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Wiggins
Guys im editing the Andrew Wiggins profile so please do not change the image. Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 23:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Derek, please be aware that Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Only a small percentage of active editors watch the Teahouse. Any editor might choose to edit any page at any time. As long as those are good faith edits that comply with policies and guidelines, that is perfectly acceptable.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  23:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I already added the image. If you want to add a new one, please feel free. JHU  bal  27  23:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

C class
Hello everybody. Can someone please sum up the criteria for articles to be promoted to C-class? Please don't just give me a link. In the article Summer Break Tour, which I originally created, helped a lot with references. Currently, I rated the article as start class. Do I need more references? To me, finding references is like an internet scavenger hunt. Where can I find references? The obvious answer is Google, but I'm just considering my other options. Thank you. JHU bal  27  21:04, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi . It's great that you are keen to improve articles on Wikipedia. In my personal opinion the subdivision of the rating system between Start and B-class is a bit meaningless; while we have decent processes for assessing good and featured articles, the differences between Start, C and B aren't that well-defined. Plus there is rarely much re-assessment of articles for these subdivisions. As such, I would suggest taking any criteria you may find as just guidelines, and simply work on making the article reader-friendly, well-sourced with useful content. It looks like it's coming along well so far. --LukeSurlt c 22:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The actual content in the article is a bit thin at the moment. Perhaps there will be more sourced content (and less of it sourced to press releases and content near to press releases, and less of it talking about planned future events) when the tour has been in action for a few weeks longer?


 * Having said that, C-class rating is very much no big deal in my opinion, and there's no obvious major flaw in the article (I haven't checked against the sources for close paraphrasing and such), so once you've made sure that you close every quote mark that you open, I suggest you go ahead and rate it C-class and see if anyone cares. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Simplifying references
I made an article where I used one reference for five statements. five bullets where shown and all five of them are the same. How can I simplify these reference? example Eduardo V. Manalo Jrgcanlas (talk) 16:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to The Teahouse, and thanks for your question about references. There is a way to simply this.  Basically, you just need to give your reference a name and then use that name throughout the article.  Here's what you have now, abbreviated:
 * Basically, we're just going to give the first instance of this ref a name inside the ref tags. We'll go with the first word in the title; it'll look like this:
 * Then, when you want to use this reference again for a later statement, you can use use the following:
 * Once the code is in, the reference will just appear once with letters in the superscript to indicate multiple uses of that source as a reference. Let me know if you have any questions!  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Then, when you want to use this reference again for a later statement, you can use use the following:
 * Once the code is in, the reference will just appear once with letters in the superscript to indicate multiple uses of that source as a reference. Let me know if you have any questions!  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Once the code is in, the reference will just appear once with letters in the superscript to indicate multiple uses of that source as a reference. Let me know if you have any questions!  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-Protected
How can I help with the Semi-Protected profiles, like (LeBron James)? (Just a example) Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 14:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * For now, you can make suggestions on the talk pages for the articles. You should have autoconfirmed status in a couple days and then will be able to edit the articles directly. --Onorem (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome back to the Teahouse, Derek Austin Murphy! Since you created your account yesterday, one option would be to wait until the 12th and then help out, as you'll be autoconfirmed then and immediately get to edit anything semi-protected. Another option is to file an "edit request", saying what you would like to be changed on the talk page and having someone answer. The third and final option is to ask to be "confirmed" by an administrator, as you have many edits but cannot edit anything semi-confirmed. You follow the instructions at Requests for permissions. If you become confirmed, great! You can start on the semi-protected articles right away! If not, you'll have to pick one of the other two options. Happy editing! ö   Brambleberry   of   RiverClan  14:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Derek, the reason that an article is semi-protected is that it is subject to excessive problematic editing by inexperienced editors. So, once you are able to edit such articles, please be sure that all of your edits comply 100% with policies and guidelines. Don't goof around. Study the policies and guidelines. They are readily available. Start by reading and understanding the Five pillars of Wikipedia, and then click on all the links. Read them and study them until you understand them completely. If you do that, you will have very few problems here. Good luck!  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

trade.
guys can we change Andris Biedrins, Brandon Rush, and Richard Jefffesons team to Jazz? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 14:33, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not official until the new league year begins. (Is that tomorrow maybe?) --Onorem (talk) 14:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It's already official it was a Sign/Trade deal. Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 14:46, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "The free-agent negotiating period opened on Monday. Contracts can’t officially be signed and trades can’t officially be consummated until July 10." --Onorem (talk) 14:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

"Workshop" for articles in construction?
Hi! I'm wondering if, for unfinished articles, there is a "workshop space" for those unfinished articles to be worked on (without the average reader seeing said articles and getting a bad representation of Wikipedia). Darkness3560 (talk) 11:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Darkness. There are two common places. One is a User subpage, so you would create the article at User:Darkness3560/Name of the article (of course this is red, because that page doesn't currently exist!). The other, if you use the Article wizard (which I recommend), is automatically put at Wikipedia Talk:Articles for creation/Name of the article. In either case, people can see it if they go looking, but it's not in main article space, so they are alerted that it is under construction. --ColinFine (talk) 11:32, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Pictures
How do I upload a picture? Typing General (talk) 08:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Typing General. Welcome the Teahouse. See Help:Files for an overview of how to upload and use a picture. —teb728 t c 08:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for providing the instructions. I have two more questions, does a picture published in China in 1959 qualify for Wikimedia Commons? Where can I find the expiration dates for copyrighted images in different countries?--Typing General (talk) 09:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Typing General. See Commons:Copyright rules by territory. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Aaron Gordon
Can somebody help me get a pic of Aaron Gordon on his page? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 04:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Derek. We actually have a dedicated system for requesting pictures for articles that will probably get you more results than asking here. You can find all the details at Requested pictures. Cheers! LukeSurlt c 10:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

more user friendly animation
Note: I am adding this question a second time as User:Derek_Austin_Murphy has edited over it on two occasions, User:Flat Out On the following page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method there is an animation of a galloping horse half way down the page. As far as I can tell there is no way for a user to stop the animation. I find stuff like this incredibly distracting and I'm pretty confidant most web designers would agree with me that having an animation that a user can't stop or that doesn't time out is terrible design. Is there a way to easily edit the image so that it times out after a while or so that there is a button a user can use to stop it? asked by Mdebellis (talk) 02:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC) ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   03:34, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that. I had no idea what was happening last night, I tried posting that question and it kept disappearing. Mdebellis (talk) 09:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Mdebellis. Somewhat to my surprise there don't seem to be any recommendations about the use of animation in the main part of the WP:Manual of style. However, in the Accessibility section it says they should be either short or converted to video, and gives a link to a tutorial for doing so. --ColinFine (talk) 11:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I looked at the tutorial but I'm not a graphics or video guy and those instructions looked like more than I care to learn right now. Rather than converting the animated gif to video (which I agree is the better solution) as a stop gap there must be a way (I would think) to just give the gif a parameter that says "play for x seconds and then stop". I will look in the documentation later to see if I can figure that out but if anyone knows off the top of their head please let me know. thanks. Mdebellis (talk) 12:22, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * As one of my favorite teachers used to say "when all else fails read the documentation" which I did finally and to my surprise (amazement really) there doesn't seem to be a way to do this. I found some tech discussions where other people expressed my feeling on it: surprise that its not there and a desire to see the feature. If I've missed something and someone has an idea please let me know. There are at least some browser specific ways to stop the animation if you know them which will at least help me from going insane as I try to read the article with that damn horse in its infinite gallup. I may look into the village pump and propose this, I guess this bothers me more than most people but this kind of design seems to me really archaic, like web design from the early 90's. Mdebellis (talk) 16:46, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Andrew Wiggins
We got to get a Pic of Andrew Wiggins on his page guys. Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 21:59, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it's likely that we cannot have a pic of him in the article, unless there exists a public domain image of him somewhere, or one that has been properly released under a free copyright license compatible with ours. Wikipedia strives to only contain freely reusable content (even for commercial purposes) and most photographs one finds on the Internet are neither public domain nor compatibly freely-licensed (note that the burden is on the person trying to include a media file to show the licensing; a media file is assumed fully and non-freely copyrighted, in the absence of positive proof). We do allow non-free copyrighted files under certain restrictive standards, called fair use, but the file must meet all of the requirements of the non-free content criteria, and in general, photographs of living persons cannot meet the no free equivalent criterion, because they are replaceable by a person snapping a photo. This is why there are so many articles on very famous living people without any photo, or with terrible (but free) photos. The real problem is the ridiculously expanded reach of copyright that has occurred over the last 100 years – so different from what was intended at the outset. Anyway, it's not easy but you might try looking for a free image or requesting one. See the Free Image Search Tool, User:R. Baley/Acquire a free image and Example requests for permission. Of course, the best way would be if you snapped a photograph yourself. If you do so, then you own the copyright and can upload it and release it into the public domain or freely-license it. Btw, you tried to hotlink to an online image. That will not work. The image would have to be uploaded here (or at the Commons) in order to display here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:33, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * its Derek guys, what do u consider public photo? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 23:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Derek. Some images on Flickr can be used under a CC BY 2.0 license, which means you can use the image freely, but must attribute the work to the original author. This image (of Andrew Wiggins) would be an example of that. I will try to upload the image to Commons, if possible. Just give me a few minutes. JHU  bal  27  00:32, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Can we get a pic on Aaron Gordons Page to guys?? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 00:43, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * is it possible we can get that blue outlining off the image on Andrew Wiggin page? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure. ✅ JHU  bal  27  21:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

image trouble
How do you upload an image to a page that dosen't have one? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 17:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Derek, and welcome to The Teahouse. You actually upload the image to either Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, and then insert the file name you chose where you want the photo on the page where it needs to go. The rules for this are very complicated.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping someone who can explain this better than I can comes along. The most important rule is that you can only use images that are photos you took yourself, or images for which someone has given permission for use not just on Wikipedia, but for any purpose, or images that are in the public domain, or for which fair use is allowed. Fair use essentially means a free image cannot be found, but its use is very limited; see using non-free images. More information can be found at WP:IUP.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, Derek. Vchimpanzee has told you some of the pitfalls, but hasn't said where to go to find out how to do it. I suggest looking at WP:Picture turorial. --ColinFine (talk) 11:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Colin. I knew I was forgetting something but I couldn't figure out what to do next.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

article pre review
Hi guys, I got the job to write an wikipedia article about the company where I am employed. Since it is a quiet hard task I would like to ask you if you could prereview my article before I ask for review before upload.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichelleLily14/Sensile_Medical

Many thanks, MichelleLily14 (talk) 11:59, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, MichelleLily14. Yes it is difficult to write in a neutral tone about your own company.  I have combined two reference that were the same for you.  Also, your company web site should be after the references in a section marked "External links", and should not lead to a 404 error as it does now.  There are external links in the body of the article and these are considered advertising and should be removed.  There's a start for you.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 12:28, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi MichelleLily14, further to Anne's answer above there are parts of the article that are not notable and need not be included, such as the QMS section. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it


 * Hi Anne Delong, Thank you. The shiftet the link to below the references. Our homepage is reloaded at the moment so that it doesn't work, this is why you got the error. Which one on the references are you reffering to? Thank you, MichelleLily14 (talk) 12:47, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Dear Michelle: There are likely to be a lot of tweaks to any article before it is accepted.  Rather than have a long discussion here, you should just go ahead and submit it for review.  It may be declined at first, but the reviewers will tell you what to fix, and then you can just keep submitting it until it passes.  Any reviewing comments will be erased when the article is accepted.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:00, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to The Teahouse, Michelle. You need to read about conflict of interest. A company really shouldn't be assigning its employees to write about it, although it can be done.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Vchimpanzee, and advise you to make sure your boss understands our policy on conflict of interest, otherwise you may find yourself expected to do things which are not allowed. --ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Translation of an existing article
Hello. I tried to publish an English translation of an article that already exists on Wikipedia in German (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEFCO) but I didn't succeed. That's way I tried to publish it as a separate article and I want to know how can I link this article to the German equivalent?

Thank you. Curnau (talk) 10:55, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Dear Curnau: Once you have written the English version, you can add a section at the bottom that says "See Also". Then you can add the link to the German article in that section, with a note beside it indicating that it is in German.  That should do it!  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Wait, do you mean how do you link two equivalent articles in two different languages? There is a "Other Languages" tool on the left margin of your screen; you can use that to add links to any other language article covering the same topic. What Anne mentions is what you do if, for example, World War I mentions a given general, but there's no article for him in English Wikipedia, so you could theoretically put  which would appear as "de:Alexandru Averescu ". MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your answers. I tried to add the link of the English article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Curnau) using the "Other languages" tool but it was not recognized probably because it's still pending approval from Wikipedia? Or maybe I was wrong in the first place when I saved the article in "User talk" in order to get it published? Is that the right thing to do when publishing an article?

Thank you. Curnau (talk) 10:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Curnau. Wikidata (which is the mechanism now used for interlanguage links) does not support links into user space, so you will have to wait until the article is approved and moved into main space before it can feature in an inter-language link. Incidentally, your User Talk page is a particularly bad place for creating an article because, that is where people will go who want to leave you a message. I strongly advise you to move it immediately from User talk:Curnau to User:Curnau/International fibreboard case code (I considered moving it for you, but I thought that might just confuse you. I have not preserved the capital letter in my suggested page name, because we don't use caps in article titles unless the title is a name). Before you can get the article approved you will need some citations to reliable sources independent of FEFCO, because without these, the subject will not meet Wikipedia's standard for "notability". --ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Citing same reference with different page numbers
In an article I am working on the references will be from a small number of books. (It's historical) Should each reference cite the particular page number? If so, can the references still be grouped like [a][b][c] etc.? I'm torn between precision (page numbers) and keeping the citation section reasonably short. Thanks, TeaHouse! LaMona (talk) 01:06, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi LaMona! As a Junior Wrangler here at the TeaHouse, this is something that I too have been wrangling with in recent months. Help:Shortened footnotes may do what you want, although it's a little bit involved. As an example of an article I used those on, there is Anthony Chenevix-Trench. Someone else might be able to suggest a better example article or even a better guide. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:13, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Heya LaMona. See how it is done in articles like Plymouth Colony, where you create two sections: One that just contains the bibliographic information for your print sources, and another that uses shortened footnotes.  (blatant plug: I wrote a lot of that article).  That sort of standard has fairly wide usage at Wikipedia.  While there are other styles of referencing at Wikipedia, that seems to me to be the most intuitive.  -- Jayron  32  04:25, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Demiurge, Jayron32! That gives me a pattern to follow. Now, to work! LaMona (talk) 13:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Another technique where Shortened Citations are awkward would be to use the template, where xx is replaced by the page numbers. It adds page numbers immediately following the footnote reference pointer.  See WP:FN near the bottom. I used this technique for the article The Joy of Cooking. Brazzit (talk) 20:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

new article
I am currently working on one article in my sandbox, but I want to start a second article simultaneously. How do I do that? Shmuel hagadol (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC) Hi Shmuel. Type  on your userpage. When you save you will see it as a red-colored link (which means it does not yet exist). Click the link and start writing. When you save it will be your sandbox for that topic; the link will turn blue; and since it is on your userpage, will provide an easy way to remember where your sandbox is and access to it. Alternatively, you can simply type such a link anywhere on Wikipedia, click "show preview"; click on the red link, and start writing and save, but you would then need to remember the name or check your contribution history to find it. You can also create the article using the article wizard, but when you do so I would suggest then linking to it on your userpage for the same ease of access reasons. See also Subpages. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * (Note: this post assumes you are not using the new Visual Editor, but are editing in the "old" way, which is now done through the "edit source" link).

Adoption
Teahouse Hosts and friends, where would a user such as myself go to be adopted?  ★ ★ RetroLord★ ★  16:26, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * See Adopt-a-user. Dru of Id (talk) 16:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated,  ★ ★ RetroLord★ ★  16:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Upload short stories from an online publishing house. Is this possible?
I work for an online publishing house and my boss is toying with the idea of posting some materials from our authors here. Is this possible? If so, where can I find the guidelines to make sure I upload the correct material?

Thank you... :-)

Chululu111 (talk) 16:04, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Chululu111 and welcome to the teahouse. While Wikipedia articles can often benefit from short quotes from such works, it isn't generally in the business of reproducing large volume of text. That said, our sister project Wikisource is dedicated to housing works, however you might find that you'd need to release the works under a more liberal coyright license than you'd be happy with (I'm also not 100% sure of the general policies and practices of Wikisource, you'd have to ask them).
 * It's great that you're keen to improve Wikipedia's coverage of your authors. Of the top of my head, here's a couple of things you could do:
 * Upload photos of your authors to Wikimedia commons so that they can be used in articles about them.
 * Check that Wikipedia's articles aren't missing any publications in the lsited biographies, and check that that books are listed with ISBNs.
 * (I'm sure others can think of some other things you'd be in a prime position to cooperate with us on)
 * Please note that by adding content to Wikipedia or any of its sister projects you agree to release your contribution under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. Cheers --LukeSurlt c 17:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)Hell
 * Greetings Chululu111 and welcome to the teahouse. Another thing to consider is that every Wkipedia article may also have "External Links". This is usually a section toward the end by the references. More about external links can be found here External_links One of the things that are accepted as good external links are: "An article about a book, a musical score, or some other media should link to a site hosting a legally distributed copy of the work, so long as none of the Restrictions on linking and Links normally to be avoided criteria apply." So if some of your published works are notable they probably have Wikipedia articles already. You could add external links from those articles to the actual works that are described in the article. However, note there is a big caveat, you can only do those for any online content that you put out on the public Internet for all to see. If there are pay for use restrictions on the content then it would not be consistent with Wikipedia standards to link to it. Mdebellis (talk) 18:55, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

modelled my entry on another but it was rejected - why and what can I do?
I added an entry about the Transport Knowledge Transfer Network, modelled on an existing entry for the Materials Knowledge Transfer Network http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materials_Knowledge_Transfer_Network, with the intent to add a Knowledge Transfer Networks entry which would link the Technology Strategy Board entry to the KTNs ie Tech Strat Board KTNs Materials KTN, Transport KTN, other KTNs once I know how the TKTN one should show.

however, although the entry I created for the TKTN looks pretty similar to the MatKTN one, mine was refused. Can someone please advise how I can get this off the ground please? Thanks Tessadarley (talk) 13:31, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. You need to read what it says in the responses at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Transport Knowledge Transfer Network. In particular follow the links provided where it says: "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources." David Biddulph (talk) 14:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Tessadarley. If you are interested in making a series of related articles, it may be a good idea to improve the Materials Knowledge Transfer Network article first by adding some independent sources (news reports, magazine articles, reviews, etc.).  Since it is in the main encyclopedia, it is in danger of being deleted for lack of these sources.  Your newer article is safe in the "Articles for creation" for at least six months.  Good luck! &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:53, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

No references how can I keep a page ?
I want to make a page for me but I don't have my information any where else on the internet so I don't have references .. therefore how can I prevent the deletion of my page ? Donathan Sharpthon (talk) 06:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Donathan Sharpthon, welcome to Wikipedia and Teahouse. You see, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and articles/pages about only notable topics are to be included. Since according to you, you are not notable (i.e. you do not have any information about you anywhere on internet), you can not have a WP article of your own. If you wish however, you can write a few words about you in user space at User:Donathan Sharpthon -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 07:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

images
How can I add more images on pages? Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 00:36, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Which pages are you referring to? JHU  bal  27  00:53, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Like the Andrew Wiggins one. Derek Austin Murphy (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a complicated process. You can go to the file upload wizard which can assist you, but most images, like on Google Images cannot be used on Wikipedia. Give me a link to Flickr images you might want to use on any article and I'll check the licensing information. "All rights reserved" (®) and "copyrighted" (©) images cannot be used. "Some rights reserved" may be able to be used. JHU  bal  27  01:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A better answer is that any image on Wikimedia Commons can be used on pages. Upload one or use one that is free. At the top of the editing page (when you click edit), click the orange box/picture frame thing. Follow the instructions and there you go. As an example, please view an image I uploaded, with a vague name. This code produces




 * If you need any help, feel free to ask again. JHU  bal  27  04:56, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Derek, if you think that the images we have of basketball players aren't the best, then I suggest that you do the following: Get a digital camera with a good telephoto lens. Go to basketball games, and take photos of the players. Upload the photos appropriately to Wikimedia Commons. Then add the best of the photos to the appropriate article. That's what I do when I think an article needs a a photo, and I live close by. I go there and take the photo. Actually, I take a lot of photos and select the best one for Wikipedia.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * At this point, Derek is blocked for chronic copyright violations and refusing to stop when he was warned. All of his uploads are marked for speedy deletion on Commons.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:41, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * He uploaded close to 30 copyvio'd images?! That is crazy. I think we tried to warn him. Did I make it worse by giving him a link to the file upload wizard? Oh well. I remember my first copyvio. I learned my lesson the first time, not after thirty. JHU  bal  27  08:16, 10 July 2013 (UTC)