Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1228

Cannot link articles
Hi. There's an article Bolivian wine. And I see in Spanish wiki, there's an article as well (Vino de Bolivia). When I try to link them I get this error: The link eswiki:Vino de Bolivia is already used by Item Q2880868. You may remove it from Q2880868 if it does not belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same topic.

I checked the page in eswiki. The "Languages" section is empty.  Aredoros87  (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * For future reference, such issues should be posted to Wikidata, not here. Anyways, the issue seems to be that Q2880868 and Q122496960 are duplicates. This can be solved by merging them, which it appears someone just went ahead and did a few minutes ago. So the issue should be fixed. However, I am still not seeing this reflected in the list of language links on either language's Wikipedia. It is possible this takes a bit of time to propagate, so check back in a bit. There's apparently a spike in Wikimedia errors right now (see here) so that may be related. Brusquedandelion (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I see they're linked each other now.  Aredoros87  (talk) 18:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Aredoros87. The "Languages" section was empty in es:Vino de Bolivia because it was the only article in its Wikidata item . The English Bolivian wine had its own Wikidata item where it was also alone. I have merged the two Wikidata items so the articles should now or soon link eachother. Wikipedia is partially down at the moment and I cannot check it. Updates may also be delayed. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!  Aredoros87  (talk) 18:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

What are mainspace edits, and how do I get a lot of them?
Could you please clarify what exactly mainspace edits are, where I can find my number (on Wikipedia, not on an external site), and some good techniques to get more? I have 81 (someone told me), and I want 200 to reach the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy. Also, do mainspace reverts count? Apollo getticax | talk  18:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Mainspace edits are edits to actual encyclopedia articles, as opposed to edits to behind the scenes parts of Wikipedia, such as the Teahouse. The best technique is to read articles about topics that interest you, and look for ways to improve them. Correcting typographical errors is an easy thing to do. Cullen328 (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You can find your number at XTools: . This shows many statistics, but the one you want is under Namespace Totals, in the red "Main" row. XTools is technically an external site, but the "wmflabs.org" domain name shows that it's still run by Wikimedia. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

LTA from jawiki
Does it matter if a user is a known LTA from another wiki? Northern Moonlight 07:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's best to assume good faith; perhaps they are turning over a new leaf, or perhaps reports are not what they seem. If they haven't changed their ways, that will soon become apparent, and if it ends up at ANI, you could raise ja-wiki issues as background information at that point. But I wouldn't prejudice someone honestly trying to start over with a clean slate at a new wiki by raising it without any evidence of wrongdoing at en-wiki. Give it time; hopefully they'll become a productive editor here. Try starting out by leaving them a Welcome message on their Talk page, if they don't already have one. Mathglot (talk) 07:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I see. The problem is that the user was using one of their 60+ consecutively created and indef'ed sockpuppet accounts (on jawiki), and I don’t know if it’s against enwiki policy to do that kind of thing. Northern Moonlight  20:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikitree
I have recently discovered a geneaology website named Wikitree, by any chance is this website related to Wikimedia Foundations? 74.14.6.233 (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. Wikitree is owned by a for-profit company called "Interesting.com, Inc", which is not related to the Wikimedia Foundation.
 * For a list of websites related to Wikimedia Foundation, see the Wikipedia article and Complete list of Wikimedia projects on Meta Wiki —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not. My guess is that "wiki" hints that the site is user-generated, per Wiki. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Can this image from the NPS be used?
Hello, I'd like to add an image of the National Quilt Museum, but do not see any and many of the quilts themselves are protected. However, I found this one on the National Park Service website that says it is licensed under CC BY 2.0. Does this mean it can be uploaded and used on Wikipedia? Thank you. Quercusvirginiana (talk) 20:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Quercusvirginiana Yes! See . Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Quercusvirginiana. The original image of the outside of the museum can be found on Flickr in the account of "Road Travel America", as per the attribution on the museum website you've linked. As can be seen from the Flickr page, the photo is now licensed as Public Domain.
 * You are allowed by the author—Road Travel America—to upload and use this image on Wikipedia. In this particular case, because the license is permissive (public domain = as permissive as you can get), it can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, the media storage used by Wikipedia.
 * For Flickr specifically, there's a semi-automatic way of doing it, described at commons:Commons:Upload Wizard/Flickr. Tl;dr:
 * go to commons:Special:UploadWizard (it's the link "Upload file" in the main menu/sidebar of Commons)
 * click button "Share images from Flickr"
 * carefully follow instuctions given by the upload wizard
 * Hope this helps. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you both! I've added it. :) Quercusvirginiana (talk) 21:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

article Howard Sandroff
I have been trying for YEARS to get someone to update and correct that article. No one has stepped up despite my requests going back more than a decade. I can supply correct information and plenty of legitimate sources (books, articles, web pages etc) why won't someone help me???? 2601:246:5B80:D80:41A0:1B2B:49B1:5767 (talk) 18:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The place to request this is at the article talk page. Four years ago you were instructed to request specific changes or additions to the article by following the instructions at WP:COIREQ. You don't appear to have done so. Please click on that link and follow the instructions. Shantavira|feed me 18:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Talk:Howard Sandroff is the proper place to provide your sources to support the specific changes you want to propose. Make formal Edit requests there, so that other editors are alerted. Don't ask for massive changes in one request. Break your requests into manageable chunks. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Use Template:Edit COI to request that someone review and implement (or deny) your proposed changes. Otherwise there is not a lot of traffic to the article or the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 22:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm looking for help getting a Wikipedia page created and published.
Hi my name is Estella Dawn (Estella Dawn Music) I'm an independent musician, singer songwriter and producer. I have a fairly strong online presence and would love to find someone willing to help me get a Wikipedia page approved and published. Thank you so kindly. PurpleStarQueenie (talk) 15:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @PurpleStarQueenie. Unfortunately we do not offer co-editing services. My recommendation is to very carefully read through our notability criteria for musicians and our guidelines for writing about yourself.
 * Please note that most of the paid editing services you can find on Google are scams: Wikipedia will never ask for money in return for publishing an article.  Qcne  (talk)  16:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, PurpleStarQueenie, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the fact that you are tying to get an article about yourself on Wikipedia suggests that you have a (very common) misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. If at some time there is an article about you, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and it will be almost entirely based on what people wholly unconnected with you have published about you - which could include things that you would rather not have repeated. See an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 20:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi ColinFine, I'm pretty aware of what Wikipedia is and am not looking for any sort of promotion. Wikipedia itself directed me to the forum to ask for advice, information and insight into the process. I'm not sure if I have enough of a music based following yet, maybe not? But if you google my name or enter it into most social media platforms you'll see there are many things said to me and about me, most of which I don't control (except my own posts) I don't have anything to hide, I was just curious about it all :) PurpleStarQueenie (talk) 23:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Social media in general does not contribute to Wikipedia's concept of confirming notability. See WP:42 for W's guideline on references. David notMD (talk) 02:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Friends will you keep update teahouse more.
Though Wikis has more eligibilty to edit and update but I am thinking that why shouldn't keep talk more about it in tea house to confirm doubts. Mynameisperfectbutyouarenotperfect (talk) 05:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mynameisperfectbutyouarenotperfect: Could you please rephrase your question? — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I need information from my wikipedia page urgently removed.
An article was posted today on my Wikipedia page that infers that I was involved in plagiarism. The instigator of this matter reached out to the Publisher of the text indicated that the issue lied with them and not me as the Editor and author. Please remove this content urgently as it is damaging to my name and reputation. I am now seeking legal counsel for the instigator of this matter. Simone Badal (talk) 23:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Simone Badal: If you wish to pursue legal action be forewarned that your account will most likely be blocked and you will be unable to effect any changes from this account. I strongly suggest you recant the legal threat and discuss this on the article's talk page. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You know, as often as I've read that, I find it difficult to believe that if someone deliberately posts false and slanderous material in an article here about a living person (I'm not saying that's necessarily what happened here), that living person wouldn't have some sort of legal recourse--at least against the person who published the lies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AzseicsoK (talk • contribs) 23:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @AzseicsoK, they have legal recourse just as they would if they were being libelled anywhere - but they can't make legal threats on Wikipedia (eg "I'll sue you if you don't take this down"). They absolutely can object to negative material, and if that material doesn't have a very good source or is being given undue weight it will usually be taken down very quickly. Have a look at WP:NLT for more information; it's pretty specific about what's okay and what isn't, as well as how to manage a situation where you believe you are being libelled on Wikipedia. StartGrammarTime (talk) 08:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I remove content from my page
I would like content posted to my page today removed as it is in violation of Wikipedia's policies and disparaging to me as the content is unfounded. Simone Badal (talk) 23:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Consolidating similar questions on . Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Discussion opened at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard following Talk:Simone Badal-McCreath and User talk:Graywalls. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * At Simone Badal-McCreath the disputed content is currently removed. The discussion at BLP Noticeboard supports this. Ditto article Talk page. David notMD (talk) 13:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Help with adding a translation to an article
Hi there,

I have translated an article into English and want to publish it. However, Wikipedia states that publishing translations is restricted to experienced users.

Here is the translated page (in English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Public_Voice

And here is the original article (in Persian): https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D9%88%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%85%DB%8C

Can you help add the English translation as another language to the original article?

Thank you! Hobabe.shisheh (talk) 03:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Hobabe shisheh, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have submitted the draft for review, and in time a volunteer reviewer will look at it, and either accept it, decline it with information as to what further work is required, or (if they can't find suitable sources) reject it. Note that just because an article exists in another Wikipedia does not guarantee that the subject will meet English Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Bots and automatic systems
1) What pages should I look to, in order to learn about bots and systems on Wikipedia? (The ones to counter vandalism and such).

2) Are there automatic systems in place to prevent plagiarism and AI-generated content? LucasR muteacc (talk) 06:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I can't answer number one, but I can answer number two, Wikipedia does not have automatic systems to prevent plagiarism and AI-generated content, they are noticed by Users. TheNuggeteer (talk) 12:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

EDITNG RESTRICTED WIKI PAGE
I work for an agency and looking for help and advise on how to edit a top football players wiki for a length of time. This will be based on the player approval which we have access too but just need to understand how this can work... who is best to contact i/e/ adminstataor of said football player to edit there wiki page? Micheycopa (talk) 11:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Micheycopa "based on the player approval" is not how this website works. If WP has an article about a person, that article should not be written by that person or their representatives, that ir sort of the point of this website. Some reading for you:
 * WP:PAID
 * WP:COI
 * WP:OWN
 * WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing
 * WP:Edit requests
 * Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply! Very helpful context that i did not realise. I will read through those links you sent across.
 * So essentially it's for a small humorous campaign, to which we can provide substantial evidence for. If we were to as for an edit change, how do I go about asking for this? Micheycopa (talk) 13:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi ,
 * There's essentially just two steps that you need to worry about.
 * As you're doing paid editing then the first step is putting the mandatory declaration using the paid template on your user-page.
 * Once you've done that, you can use the Edit COI template to put an edit request on the article's talk page.
 * As Gråbergs says, the player's approval isn't a factor here. -- D'n'B-t -- 12:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Micheycopa: I'll add one more thing. No matter how much the player has "approved" the content, we require reliable published sources to support any edit, especially in the case of an article on a living person. So, let's say the player tells you their favourite fruit is mango. That may be 100% true (after all, who better to know what fruit they like, right?), but if you can't back that up with a reliable source corroborating that statement, then you shouldn't include it. I know you didn't exactly say that the player in question is feeding you information, but it kind of sounded like that might be the case, so I'm just mentioning this. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

draft: çatma mescit hammam
hi, i'm working on improving the page since it has been declined. but i researched some of the topics for the hammam by going there myself, i couldn't find any references to cite in the article. For example, the sayings for how the hammam was constructed are anonymous and are known gossip material around here in Istanbul since the 20th century. what should i do about it? thank you for reading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:%C3%87atma_Mescit_Hammam Beyza Yogurtcu (talk) 14:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Beyza Yogurtcu: I've just answered this on my talk page. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Improve on Editing article
Hi everyone, Safari Scribe refer me here. I really need to improve my editing skills to qualify my article for submission and review. BabaAbraham1 (talk) 15:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Safari Scribe declined your draft based on the quality of citations. Primary sources do not establish notability. Your article seems to use a lot of interviews and two self published sources, one from Facebook another that seems to be his own journal. You seem to be a relatively new editor so it might be good just to spend some time editing already established articles and learning the ropes before creating your own article. ✶Qux  yz  ✶  15:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This explains it. Thank you for the breakdown BabaAbraham1 (talk) 15:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Copyright release for narrative on a web site - not a pic
Hi I was given the link to the Wikimedia VRT release generator to release narrative on a website. However it seems to be geared toward pics and not narrative. Is there one I am missing? Tank you! Geraldine Aino (talk) 14:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Geraldine Aino WP:DONATETEXT may be of help. My knee-jerk reaction is skepticism that a "narrative" will fit as text in a WP-article, but I don't know the details. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Help with identifying and fixing advertisement-like material
To reach 200 mainspace edits, I am doing the user article suggestions, and many are not regular copyedit suggestions but suggestions to fix an advert-like article. I have a lot of trouble in identifying what to fix or remove, and often give up due to this.

Could someone please tell me the best techniques to do this (fixing articles with advert-like content)? Apollo getticax | talk  06:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Please edit articles in order to improve them,, not in order to win points of some kind. You improved the article Government Law College, Thiruvananthapuram. I thereupon improved it further. It's very feebly sourced, and I'm sure that other editors can greatly improve on what I did. There wasn't so much blatantly promotional drivel in it, but consider for example . -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. When my account was first started, I tried to edit articles to improve them, but as time passed, I got annoyed with my inability to fix advert-like articles, and I forgot about the main cause and decided to patrol Recent Changes instead, and then I decided to join the Counter-Vandalism unit academy, realized I didn't have enough, and decided to do them for the "points of some kind". Thanks for reminding me about the real cause of editing and these tools, and giving me an example of advertisement-like text. Apollo getticax  | talk  17:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a subpage for this particular link?
Participating Nations 🌐 SS Mapping (talk) 13:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * To create a subpage appended to any page you simply append a / and a suitable title to the end of the existing "parent page" like so "Main page/subpage numer 1" Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, SS Mapping, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not clear what you are asking, but given that "Participating nations" doesn't make sense except as a section of something, and that you have created Draft:Participating nations, and that you have created Draft:ÈreChanton - OESC, I think you are trying to create what will eventually be a subpage of an article. These are not possible in English Wikipedia: only non-articles (eg user pages) can have subpages. ColinFine (talk) 13:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So, I am unable to like attach a link to a page of my creation, However on Sandbox I would be able to have multiple different subpages that I create as well as a main page ? SS Mapping (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, and if you use the template on your sandbox page (or on any of your pages) it will display a list of all of your user subpages (including User:SS Mapping/sandbox). -- Verbarson  talkedits 16:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, Thankyou very much SS Mapping (talk) 22:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Question regarding reading Wikipedia pages on the mobile app (automatic translation from other languages)
Hello. I've noticed that certain Wikipedia pages in other languages are of varying quality. For instance, the German Wikipedia pages on Plato's dialogues are (almost) all Featured pages. They are, beyond any peradventure of a doubt, excellent.

There is no issue reading these pages on desktop as Google Chrome automatically translates these pages into English. However, on the mobile app, these pages remain in their original language. Is there, for lack of a better term, an "add-on" which I can add to the Wikipedia app on my phone to translate these pages into English?

God Bless. SpicyMemes123 (talk) 06:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * That depends, are you using iPhone or Android? Unfortunately I don't think there is either way, but you are more likely to find something with an Android device. Wrosh (talk) 22:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Tense
Hello! I'm wondering what tense we're supposed to use when writing about claims made by the authors of secondary sources. Past or present? Here are a couple examples:


 * 1) In his book about cat breeding habits, Bob Yang claims/claimed that...
 * 2) In her review of The Matrix, Michelle Zepp writes/wrote that...

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Wafflewombat, and welcome to the Teahouse. Does MOS:TENSE answer your question? ColinFine (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The last paragraph of MOS:BLPTENSE may be more applicable (it doesn't seem to apply only to BLPs). I'd also look for how similar situations, if any, are handled elsewhere in the article and try to avoid inconsistency. Deor (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Difference of shortdesc and short description
What's the difference if they're quite the same template and purpose?

My shortdesc was revised to short description on my revised edit of Kwek Kok Kwong RFNirmala (talk) 04:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Shortdesc is a redirect to/alias of the short description template. While yes, normally that would mean there is little to no reason to switch between the one and the other, in case of short descriptions specifically, those aliases should not be used because they cause difficulties for a bunch of gadgets and templates. AddWitty  NameHere  04:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Porn Stars
One of my hobbies is looking up famous people and then information on their home towns. I have done this on Wikipedia for many years. Over the last several days when looking at locations ai Provo UT I noted that porn stars were being included in "Notable Residents". I do not consider this appropriate as Wikipedia is used by a wide range of people even those in grade and junior high schools. 2601:201:C182:1020:B103:DD1:4211:5AC4 (talk) 03:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Notable, here on Wikipedia, simply means "talked about in reliable sources". I wouldn't be surprised to find out that such actors are covered in reliable sources, in which case they would certainly be notable. Please note that as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is not censored, and may contain material that people find objectionable. Anything otherwise would be incompatible with that goal.
 * There is naturally a substantial amount of content that some might deem inappropriate for children on Wikipedia, as should be expected in any encyclopedia or other reference work, so parents should supervise their children if they don't wish for them to be exposed to that content. Tollens (talk) 04:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As a side note, I can't seem to find anyone fitting that description listed in the articles Provo, Utah nor List of people from Provo, Utah to verify that their inclusion does indeed meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. If you are able to specify exactly what you're referring to I will be able to check. Tollens (talk) 05:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-protected files (2)
I noticed that both https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Smith_slaps_Chris_Rock.jpg and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cyberpunk_2077_box_art.jpg are extended-protected. I want to propose that we change it to semi-protected; what is the proper procedure for coming to a consensus on this matter?

Assuming that using the talk page is best, what is the clearest way of wording these proposals to invite discussion? LucasR muteacc (talk) 05:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The correct place to request a decrease in protection is WP:RFPP/D, after you first contact the administrator who protected the article directly and they do not respond within a reasonable amount of time (a day or two). You can see this information in the protection log ( and, respectively). Files very rarely need editing, so making a convincing request for a decrease in protection after there has been disruption to those files would be difficult. If what you actually want to do is make an edit to the page, you can instead submit an edit request, which would likely be much easier for all involved. You can use the edit request wizard to help. Tollens (talk) 05:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

dark mode
How many more decades do you need to create "dark mode"? 2607:F2C0:F200:1C07:E070:4EE:55F8:D26D (talk) 22:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, IP user! Dark mode exists, but has to be enabled in Preferences, which requires an account. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 22:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you're on a Miraheze site, it's already built into their interface (on the top right of every page), signified by a small crescent moon. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 07:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Category creation
Im trying to link articles to a category I made called Pla (talk) 07:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oops, it didn't send my full message, continuing: Category:Twin canopy aircraft, I'm not good at editing Wikipedia in general, so I'm a little lost with categories, (it didn't let me link my category by the way) could someone please help? (I also wanted this category to be a draft but I didnt know how) Pla (talk) 07:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Also accidentally gave myself a wiki signature, removed now A-37Dragonfly (talk) 07:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . In brief, you do not add articles to categories. Instead, you add categories to articles, and the wiki software automatically creates a list of articles containing that category. If you actually linked to that category here, then the Teahouse would be categorized as a Twin canopy aircraft. You can find complete instructions at Categorization. Cullen328 (talk) 07:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I thought it might have been that, I do have a bit of experience with adding categories to pages, thank you! A-37Dragonfly (talk) 07:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Multiple language account - I have made an account in English, but when I edit in Chinese, the changes I make can't be linked to my account.
Hello, I am a new wiki editor who is bilingual. This is my first time asking questions so please forgive any mistakes.

I have made an account in English, but when I edit in Chinese, the changes I make can't be linked to my account. Is there a fix for that?

https://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E7%93%A6%E5%B0%BC%E5%A1%94%E6%96%AF%E7%9A%84%E6%89%8B%E6%9C%AD&action=history

'2024年6月25日 (二) 20:39‎ Cherry567 留言 貢獻‎  32,996位元組 +35‎  →‎出版書籍：​第10冊中文版 https://www.iread.com.tw/Detail/ProdDetail/B000763399 復原 標籤：行動版編輯 行動版網頁編輯' Cherry567 (talk) 08:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Cherry567! Edits in different language versions of Wikipedia are only tracked on the language version they were made on, though a simple count is available in your global account information. zh:Special:Contributions/Cherry567 (your contributions page at that Wikipedia) does list that edit, similar to how Special:Contributions/Cherry567 lists your edits here. Your global account information is available at Special:CentralAuth/Cherry567, which indicates that you have made one edit there, and four here. Tollens (talk) 08:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Is there a policy/essay on this phenomenon?
In my relatively short time as an editor here, I've come across three articles or sections where someone who has a pet project has gone to my local paper (Liverpool Echo) with their theory, had a story published about it, then gone onto add it to Wikipedia using the story as a reference, and then the notability or credibility of the subject has gone on to be found wanting. I should say, while that sounds like a very cynical thing to do, I'm not actually accusing anyone of foul play! Rather, I'm concerned about the Echo as a reliable and independent source but the nearest thing I can find is mention of indiscriminate sources.

I feel like it must be a common occurrence, someone goes to the media, gets coverage and either immediately or at some point in the future writes about it on Wikipedia, so I'm wondering if there is already guidance on how to approach this? I'm planning to raise the credibility of the Liverpool Echo, and other local Reach plc titles on WP:RSN for this and other reasons, as I know their editorial standards are incredibly lax so I'm interested as to just how much of a problem this kind of practice is, either deliberate or in good faith. Orange sticker (talk) 13:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * See WP:citogenesis for some guidance on this issue. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I learnt a new word today! This isn't quite the same though, as in these cases the journalism - in a well known newspaper established over 100 years ago - did come first. The problem seems to be that it's almost as easy to get a story in the Liverpool Echo as it is to write your own Wikipedia article. Orange sticker (talk) 13:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Orange sticker "someone who has a pet project has gone to my local paper (Liverpool Echo) with their theory, had a story published about it, then gone onto add it to Wikipedia using the story as a reference" sounds a little like a version of WP:SELFCITE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's very similar, but they've got the added authority of an 'independent' journalist as the author of the source. Orange sticker (talk) 15:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Then, assuming Liverpool Echo is a WP:RS in context, and the addition fits the WP-article per the details of WP:NPOV, it's hard to argue they do anything wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I agree, except that in each case I've come across it's turned out that the story was unreliable. I guess this is why I need to raise it at WP:RSN. Orange sticker (talk) 08:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Orange sticker That may be the way to go, not much in the archives: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Orange sticker, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I can't find anything specifically about this, I have often seen reviewers saying they prefer national or at least regional news sources to local ones; and that more than one source is generally required to establish notability. See reliable sources for more general discussion. Today, an article sourced only from a single local paper is not likely to get past the reviewers or new page patrol. ColinFine (talk) 15:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

translate sources
Hello. I have found some sources for an article I'm working on but they are in different languages I'm not fluent or familiar with. Does anyone know any tools to translate them so I can use them? xx feni    (tellmehi)   08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You can check out WP:RSUE as well as Translators available for translators that may be active on English Wikipedia that can help you. Some may use websites like IRC, Discord, or send translated versions through email. Cowboygilbert  -  (talk) ♥  09:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @FENFEN These days, online translators like Google translate do a pretty good job and are easy to use if your source is online and you can copy/paste in the text. That should give you enough of an idea whether the source is worth following up as Cowboygilbert suggests. It is not recommended you use automated translations to incorporate directly into Wikipedia articles: to do quality translations you really need to be competent in both languages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Coffee and caffeine
Why did coffee had caffeine in it? 112.198.178.96 (talk) 12:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The WP:Teahouse is a place for questions about editing Wikipedia in any namespace. Do you have a question that pertains to editing and not the scientific composition of coffee? Cowboygilbert  -  (talk) ♥  12:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You can ask general knowledge questions at Reference desk, or just read the second paragraph of caffeine. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Determining when section was edited
Is there any way to see when a specific part of an article was last edited?

I'm looking at the article for Queenstown, Singapore, which is linked from the DYK today, and there are two images broken, making for an ugly top screen. But looking at the revision history I can't figure out when was the last time these images were OK. Al Begamut (talk) 13:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Al Begamut WP:WikiBlame may help do this for you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * .... I think the problem edit was this one by User:Abductive which was very recent and has since been reverted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Al Begamut (talk) 14:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Page linking
I would like some help on linking at certain places of an article for a category I made Category:Twin canopy aircraft, (an example right now is I would like to link to the Yak-110 to put in the category, but the Yak-110 is a variant of the Yak-55) A-37Dragonfly (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I accidentally fixed my own issue with the Yak-110 link A-37Dragonfly (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

AFC draft
Hi there! How do I add tags to an AFC draft?

Thanks mgenzac

Mgenzac (talk) 14:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mgenzac Exactly the same way as you would to an article, for example using cn. However, the editor building the new article my not appreciate your "help" if they are in the middle of creating it and have not yet submitted it for review. There is a useful template AfC comment which goes near the top of the source code if you want to make a general point for the benefit of the reviewer or the author. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Mgenzac, welcome to the Teahouse!
 * What do you mean by tags? I'm going to guess either categories (which you don't need to on drafts: they'll usually be categorised pretty fast. There's a way to do it if you really want to, but I can't seem to find the instructions. If it's categories you want, someone else will definitely be able to link or explain.
 * Or do you mean a H:L (like that) to add links to other pages? If so, read H:L for some helpful hints!
 * And if neither Mike Turbull or I have understood the question, could you link to an example of the thing you want, or explain a bit more about it? StartGrammarTime (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Instructions for the category part at WP:Categorization. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi i need help
plssssss..... 38.25.22.2 (talk) 14:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. What is it about Wikipedia you need help with? 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you have an account? David notMD (talk) 17:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk page discussion for minor change which is correct
While watching The Avengers (2012 film) a few nights ago and following along with the Plot section of its Wikipedia article as I sometimes do, I noticed an inaccuracy. While it was asserted that "Loki escapes after killing Coulson", Coulson is still alive when Loki escapes. I therefore changed "killing" to "mortally wounding", which was correct whereas "killing" was not. Adamstom.97 reverted the change, noting that "he is still killed by Loki". I restored my edit, saying "Yes, but not before Loki escapes. It could imaginably be something like 'dealing a death blow to', but 'mortally wounding' is correct and more so than 'killing'. That the death occurred is immediately confirmed in the sentence following [thus rendering it unnecessary to mention Coulson's death as having occurred before it actually did]." Now Jgstokes has restored "killing", saying "You need to discuss this on the talk page and establish consensus for this wording before it can stand in this article. Please do so." I would generally be inclined to oblige a polite request, but I'm reluctant to do so in this case because it's a minor change, it's correct, and I don't think I should have to obtain explicit consensus for such an evidently justified edit. Since it's clearly "killing" rather than "mortally wounded" which is dubious (at least to me, and I would think to anyone), I think it's one of the other two editors here who should have to initiate a talk page discussion, if indeed anyone should on such a trivial matter. So my question here concerns who is correct regarding the article's talk page, Jgstokes or me. Do I really need to discuss the correct "mortally wounding" versus the incorrect "killing" on the talk page? Since it's a minor correction and correct, wouldn't this imply that I similarly need to discuss on a talk page every trifling comma or whatever? If I'm actually obliged to put this up for discussion I'll probably just walk away from it (which I'm sure many would approve), since I don't want either to do this or to edit-war. I don't like leaving a clear error, however, even if it's confessedly minor. Thanks for any comment. Bret Sterling (talk) 19:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Bret Sterling, and welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't bothered to read your wall of text, but the answer to your question is, "Yes, you do have to". Wikipedia works by consensus. If another editor disagrees with you about what should go into an article, it is your (collective) job to reach a consensus. "I'm right and you're wrong" doesn't usually contribute very much towards that goal. Please see WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 20:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you ColinFine; this is what I needed. I've now read WP:BRD and am acquainted with the recommended procedures. I agree with you that "I'm right and you're wrong" is not a promising approach to resolving a difference of opinion, but if you had read my wall of text and checked the film, you would have seen that I am right. (humor intended) Thanks also Maproom. I'm glad my trifling commas and omissions of same have to date been left unchallenged. Bret Sterling (talk) 00:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know the film but I do know that BRD still applies! What you need to do now is head to the talkpage and produce evidence that agrees with you - this could be as simple as "hi, this is in the film at [timestamp]". You should also suggest your preferred wording and why, like you did here. I see you've already done a lot of this, but in case you were wondering, that's basically the normal procedure! Go to talk, present evidence to back what you want to say, discuss until consensus forms. Well done! StartGrammarTime (talk) 17:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , you made an edit, someone else reverted it. Now you have two options: discuss it, or walk away. It would be the same if you had added a trifling comma and been reverted. Maproom (talk) 23:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Structure of an article
Hi, so can i have an example of how to properly construct an article because I'm new and sort of failing at it. Kary Nox (talk) 17:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kary Nox I'll give the regular advice of saying you should probably wait until you're a bit longer in the Wikitooth before you start making articles of your own, by that I mean making fixes on other articles and improving them before you take on one of the biggest challenges you can as a new user.
 * That all being said, some useful and quite helpful things for you would be WP:YFA, WP:BACKWARDS and WP:CITE. Another would be the layout page, which is a pretty good way to figure out a baseline for the article and I tend to use it a bunch, but if you know of any pages that are related to the subject of the article you're trying to make then you can use those as sort of a helping hand.
 * As an example, when making Catherine Jordan I used the articles of other Royal Naval senior officers and then as a more recent example I used the Catherine Jordan article to help me improve the page of Michael Wettlaufer. CommissarDoggoTalk?  17:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you but I'm confused when it comes to adding Images in that column and add topics at the end I'm good at the writing part Kary Nox (talk) 17:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kary Nox Without seeing through your eyes it's difficult to tell what you're having trouble with, are there any particular parts of adding images/adding topics (headings?) that you're confused by? CommissarDoggoTalk?  17:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kary Nox: I suggest you spend time looking at good articles to see what is considered outstanding on Wikipedia, and would recommend going through the Articles for Creation process after making edits to existing articles for a few months. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I want to look something up
Where is the Search box? Martmain (talk) 17:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Martmain: You can find it at the top of pages. If your screen happens to be too narrow it may be collapsed into the [[file:OOjs UI icon search-ltr.svg|link=]] icon. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Undo a move?
Hi, how can I undo a move performed by a different user which is not appropriate. As the move of the Jana Sena Party to Janasena Party, which is not appropriate as per common name and availability of sources. 456legend talk  12:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You can read WP:UNDO. This will show steps that you can take for undoing someone's edit. Tools like Twinkle and Ultraviolet can help with undoing. Cowboygilbert  -  (talk) ♥  12:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @456legend, in general you can learn about the high-level of undoing a movie at WP:UNDOMOVE. It appears that has already moved the page back per WP:RMUM. Skynxnex (talk) 13:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Noted, thank you very much. 456legend  talk  14:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For any passers-by, you can ask the technical move requests board for help. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about warnings given to users on Wikipedia
Hello Teahouse, I've been seeing this in some places where people give users who either (vandalized articles, disruptive editing, etc.) their 2nd warning but not getting their 1st warning for the common reasons (vandalizing articles, disruptive editing, blanking pages).

Is this allowed on Wikipedia? I just usually do the 1st warning first and if they persist then follow with the 2nd one, then 3rd, and so on, you get the point here.

I've seen this here and here, but something different here. Hope someone can assist me :) Normanhunter2 (talk) 14:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Normanhunter2 The general policy for vandalism-type warnings is at WP:Vandalism, which points out that it can be valid to go to high-level warnings and miss lower-level ones. Personally, I prefer not to use the standard templates, in the hope that a more personalised message will have a better effect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What kind of personalized message are you talking about? Normanhunter2 (talk) 14:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For example this one (which was to a new editor making good faith edits). Sometimes for vandalism I just use the stop template with a message when I am in a hurry and can't remember which of the standard templates is most appropriate. You must warn people (including IPs) before taking them to WP:AIV, so time can be important when trying to stop ongoing vandalism. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So the person just left like a warning without using the warning template? You can do that? Normanhunter2 (talk) 21:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're not required to use the templated warnings. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Normanhunter2 My approach is that 'common sense' has to prevail. If you arrive on the scene and discover an editor has made more than one vandalistic (=bad faith) edit, it's quite OK to leave them a second tier warning as their very first one. Your first example had clearly already made more than one bad vandalistic edit. See here
 * If someone makes some pretty appalling/damaging edits, then your first warning to them could be higher still!. Judgement is needed. You could conclude it would be pointless to let them make four more foul-mouthed edits and matching warnings before reporting them to WP:AIV. On the other hand, a first level warning is perfect for one single first edit. Add the user to your watchlist, or keep a tab open for an hour and maintain a watching eye on their edits, increasing the warnings if they continue, as appropriate. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This is a great question, and even our most experienced anti-vandal volunteers have different approaches. My though is that going through all four levels and then blocking after a post-level-4 violation is often excessive for obvious vandalism, and I wish more users would escalate faster. Quoting from WP:UWLEVELS: Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This seems like a really good reference, thanks. Normanhunter2 (talk) 23:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Admin sockmasters
Was there evers an admin using Bad hand sockpuppets? Encyclopédisme (talk) 21:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but you could easily find out from Former administrators/reason/for cause. -- Hoary (talk) 21:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's a fun read! Encyclopédisme (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The "Resigned" tab also includes one I know of: User:Wifione who resigned WP:Under a cloud shortly before ArbCom site-banned him for multiple reasons including sockpupptry, paid editing, COI editing, etc. Even at his RFA, I recall pointing out his clear conflict of interest and possible paid editing, but he passed RFA anyway. He created multiple accounts and the Wifione account managed to gain adminship. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Igbo
I can't find igbo writing in Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chimara Harrison (talk • contribs) 01:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well,, there's Igbo language. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There's also Wikipedia in Igbo   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 01:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Someone keeps moving the Bay of Pigs article to bay of cochinos without holding an RFC
I reverted this same change back in April per WP:RMUM. I’ve reverted it again now, but I wanted to ask somebody more experienced what to do. I don’t want to keep reverting these undiscussed moves. A Tree In A Box (talk) 03:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @A Tree In A Box, go to WP:RPP to ask for move protection. -- asilvering (talk) 03:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Can not access sources from pop-up while in visual editing mode
It just started happening today. I can access it while reading, but when I am in visual editing mode, I can not access the source from pop. For eaxmple, Texttext. If I click on [1], normally I can click the URL from the pop up and visit the site, but this isn't working anymore. Graywalls (talk) 20:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

So, I logged out, started the browser in Incognito and launched the visual editor without logging in to eliminate my user preferences or cookies as being a possible cause. Hyperlink for references still doesn't work in the reference context menu while in visual editing mode. Graywalls (talk) 21:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * It sounds like WP:ITSTHURSDAY. @Trizek (WMF), has this been reported yet? WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , were you able to replicate the issue I am experiencing? Graywalls (talk) 07:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It has been reported last Friday, see T368119. The fix should be deployed very soon! Trizek_(WMF) (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Still not fixed. It's been disruptive enough that I've been taking a wiki break because of it. Graywalls (talk) 11:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks like it should be deployed tomorrow (Thursday). Check back in 24 hours? WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

H0w do you link to certain points in a article for a category?
I'm trying to link the SR-71B into a category called Twin canopy aircraft, but I cannot put the SR-71 article into this category as the A and C variants would not belong, could somebody help? A-37Dragonfly (taellk) 23:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Categories are added to complete articles, not to sections of articles. The category should be a "defining characteristic" of the topic of the article. If only a very small percentage of SR-71s were the trainer version with twin canopies, then that is not a defining characteristic. Please see Defining. Cullen328 (talk) 23:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you A-37Dragonfly (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, you can add categories to a redirect from a more specific topic to a more general one, like . If you've ever seen a title in italics in a category page, that's a redirect in that category. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I've added the SR-71B now, and plan to add more similar variants of planes like the SR-71B into tit A-37Dragonfly (talk) 05:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

What to do with a master's thesis not available online?
Hi! I'm preparing to edit an article and in a foreign-language wiki I found a master's thesis as a source. The link was a dead one, (his former university had merged with another one) but I was able to track down the author. I emailed him asking for the new link to his thesis and he emailed me the thesis instead, with no restrictions on its use. So.... What do I do now? If I just cite it with no link, people will be worse off than I was, having no link to the original, now non-existent university... Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That's not something we can use. A Master's thesis can only be used as a reliable source if it is publicly available, and has had significant scholarly influence. See WP:SCHOLARSHIP. Meters (talk) 03:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If it has been published published, it does not have to be online, but trying to use a Master's thesis as a source is not a great idea. Meters (talk) 03:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe ask him if there is a publicly accessible source for his thesis. I don’t think he released his paper to a permissive license explicitly, but if he did you could upload it to Archive.org or Wikisource, and cite that.
 * A Tree In A Box (talk) 03:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * A thesis should contain relaible sources for its content, so maybe you could use those sources instead. Shantavira|feed me 08:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

This wikkipedia page google & chrome all shhowed up on my tv after mac gained access to my tv.
im not a computer guy, I WORK in a skilled trade, bro I can barely work my cellphone. Besides reading code, I sure in the hell cant write it? 216.183.151.75 (talk) 00:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Welcome to a page where people can post questions about using Wikipedia. If you have such a question, I don't understand it. Could you rephrase it? -- Hoary (talk) 00:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you are using the Chrome web browser on your mac, this article shows how to cast it to your TV. It also tells you how to turn it off. There's probably something similar for the native Safari browser, but I'm not a mac person. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 13:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Reliable sources?
I forgot the name of the article on Wikipedia, but I clearly remember an article existing that showed common news websites etc and whether they are considered a reliable source to use in adding info to Wikipedia articles or not. Can someone help me find the name of it. Bzik2324 (talk) 23:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Bzik2324 and welcome to the tea house. I'm not sure if this what you mean but Reliable sources/Perennial sources (and a direct to the section down that page: WP:RSPSOURCES) is very similar. I'll note that there are many, many sources that are also acceptable and reliable (and the reverse) but this is a list of sources for which there have been sufficient discussion to be listed. Skynxnex (talk) 23:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Skynxnex that is exactly the article I was trying to find. Bzik2324 (talk) 23:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bzik2324 Reliable sources/Perennial sources Marksaeed2024 (talk) 23:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There's also this article listing website domains that are explicitly not considered reliable: Special:BlockedExternalDomains Mr. Swordfish (talk) 13:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Possible disruptive editing
I'm not exactly a new editor, but I'm seeing an issue that I'm not sure how to deal with. I try to assume good faith, but there is one editor who is making dozens of edits to a page every day that I feel are disruptive and who is at the same time advocating at AFD for the article to be deleted. It seems like this editor is trying to demonstrate why the article should be deleted by providing dozens of examples of why the article is problematic. Again, I try to assume good faith and accusing someone of disruptive editing may run afoul of that, but I feel like I'm drinking from a firehose to preserve the article's integrity in the face of a deluge of edits. BTW, this editor has been blocked from editing the article in question before for "persistent edit warring supported by wikilawyering on the talkpage".

Would appreciate any advice from editors with some experience with this sort of thing. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 13:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mr swordfish it would help if you could identify the editor in question.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 13:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm hesitant about calling someone out by name, but the details can be found at, , Talk:List_of_common_misconceptions, and Articles_for_deletion/List_of_common_misconceptions_(6th_nomination). Seems to be a pattern of WP:POINT. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 14:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Help needed
I need help pls..... 81.2.17.144 (talk) 14:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, we cannot help you unless you tell us what you might need help with. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 14:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Guidance on image quantities
Is there any guidance on how many images are suitable, or too many, for an article? I was casually looking at Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey and there appears to be over 40 images. More than double what it had when it achieved good article status. I don't tend to play much in the aircraft articles, but I thought I'd check guidance on this - but I can't find it. Can anyone point to an appropriate place? Don't get me wrong - I love images, and often think we should use more. But there seemed to be some unnecessary redundancy here. I've certainly seen editors culling images when there's a LOT less than 40 in an article. Nfitz (talk) 16:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * WP:NOTGALLERY has a comment but no detailed advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * All the images in that article seem to highlight different aspects of the aircraft rather than repeat themselves. IMHO Adding images improves the encyclopedia Shantavira|feed me 16:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well I deleted the third refuelling picture, which seemed redundant with one of the others. Nfitz (talk) 15:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Request to Make Edits to My Wikipedia Page
Dear Wikipedia Administrator, I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to request permission to make changes to my Wikipedia page. I have noticed some outdated information and would like to update the content to ensure accuracy and relevance. I understand the importance of maintaining Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and neutrality, and I assure you that any edits I make will adhere to these guidelines. I am committed to providing reliable sources to support the changes. Thank you for considering my request. I look forward to your guidance on how to proceed. Best regards, Ruthisabellafh (talk) 12:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ruthisabellafh could you provide a link to the article about you? You are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but if you would like to add new information that is supported by reliable sources and is written neutrally, you can place the Edit COI template on the article's talk page, and another editor may implement the edits on your behalf.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 13:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It is NOT "your page" it is Wikipedia's article about your company Foodhub and I removed all the spam links you added. Theroadislong (talk) 15:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ruthisabellafh In Wikipedia, you are considered to be a paid editor, as you want to contribute to the article about your company. Please read that linked page and comply with its terms (involving disclosure) before you do anything else. You can then suggest changes to the article via edit requests on its Talk Page. The edit request link will help format these requests correctly for consideration by a non-involved editor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Above, we read.


 * Poppycock. In 2019 I created a (short and feeble) article about Nudrat Afza. This was her article. It was my article. It was Wikipedia's article. (And, like every article, it was a page.)


 * Want a reliable source for enlightenment? The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language, pp 473–475 tells us:


 * The range of semantic relations between the genitive NP and the head is vast, and largely parallel to that found between subject and predicate in clause structure. Some of this variety is illustrated in [54] [...]


 * And [54] lists, inter alia:


 * i. Mary's green eyes — Mary has green eyes — [d has body part h]
 * ii. Mary's younger sister — Mary has a younger sister — [d has kin relation h]
 * xiii. Mary's letter — Mary receives a letter — [d is recipient of h]
 * xxiii. the summer's heat — The summer is hot — [d has non-human property h]


 * in which "d" stands for "determiner" (which Wikipedia perversely calls "determinative") and "h" stands for "head".


 * And it goes on:


 * Mary's letter in [xiii] could be interpreted as "the letter Mary received" ("Mary is recipient of the letter"); or as "the letter Mary wrote" ("Mary is creator of the letter"); or as "the letter Mary posted" ("Mary is poster of the letter"); or it might have been written by Shakespeare, and Mary does research into it ("Mary is researcher into the letter"). The possibilities are endless, [...]


 * To which I can add: "the letter Mary is putting up for sale", "the letter Mary has just bought", "the letter Mary hopes to submit as evidence", "the letter announcing Mary's promotion/demotion/secondment/termination", and so on.


 * Wikipedia's article talk pages have well over two thousand instances of "his article", suggesting that (as everyone who's both familiar with Wikipedia and is a speaker of English as a first language already knows) this is fully comprehensible, idiomatic, inoffensive and acceptable English. -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Whatever, you are free to your own interpretations of the guidelines, you can see her requests on the article talk page, moved from my talk pageTalk:Foodhub. Theroadislong (talk) 07:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oh, as soon as I noticed that what was already in the article included, I knew that this would be bad. I've no objection to anything you write on Talk:Foodhub. It's good stuff: it's about content, and it doesn't include any strange strictures about the genitive (perhaps because instead of "Foodhub's Wikipedia page" your interlocutor writes the synonymous "the Foodhub Wikipedia page"). -- Hoary (talk) 09:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey @Hoary
 * Actually, I am just suggesting wikipedia admins to add some additional information about Foodhub, such as their acquisitions, sponsorship, and branding. Similar companies like Just Eat, Uber Eats, and Deliveroo have included such information on their Wikipedia pages. Most of the information on the current page is outdated, and I want to help update it. This will definitely increase the quality of the Wikipedia entry. I am ready to help you by submitting any sort of press release and proof for your approvals. Ruthisabellafh (talk) 11:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ruthisabellafh please respond to the messages on your talk page. Press releases are not considered reliable, and your edit request was promotional.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 11:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Press releases can be reliable, depending on what you are writing. They aren't generally Independent. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey @WhatamIdoing
 * Exactly, but press releases serve as proof of documents to support our claims. This can help Wikipedia moderators research and write more accurately, ultimately providing Wikipedia readers with updated and reliable content. Ruthisabellafh (talk) 04:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * , what's in the company's press releases is likely to be on the company's website. If people want to read it, they can go to the company's website. (Indeed, a few minutes ago, I did just that. I was greeted with: ) Though even if PR material isn't on the website, Wikipedia doesn't want it. Wikipedia wants material from reliable, disinterested sources. -- Hoary (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey @Hoary
 * Really Thanks for your response man !
 * It has come to my attention that there has been a misunderstanding regarding a link on that you have mentioned (foodhubforbusiness.com). The current link appears to be incorrect and not related to Foodhub. Actually it's B2B link
 * The correct link should be (https://global.foodhub.com/) which directs to the original Foodhub's business page. It contain Foodhub's global market.
 * From that website you can get all the above mentioned information Foodhub's Australian Website(Ex https://foodhub.com.au/?redirectFrom=global&_ga=2.68015509.583846710.1719309322-1076862730.1717155324) represents the Australian market likewise. All the PR activities were mentioned in the blog section of the website. (https://blog.foodhub.com/brand-new-tv-advert-is-officially-live-on-sky/)
 * Thanks for helping me Guys ! Ruthisabellafh (talk) 06:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ruthisabellafh When Theroadislong wrote that it is not your page, s/he was trying to make an important point--one that repeatedly needs to be made. A User here could create an article--and then have no say beyond what anybody else here has over what happens to that page; it could soon be edited beyond the original author's recognition.  Typically, when people refer here to "my page," they mean an article about them or some undertaking of theirs (either an existing one, or the one they hope they can set up as their Wikipedia "page"); they see that article as something like a social media profile--and they're surprised that someone else can edit it, and not necessarily to their liking.  But that's what Wikipedia is about!  Nobody has a "page" here; there might be an article about them or their company.  Yes, "my page" is an ambiguous term here; Theroadislong meant to unambiguate (I know, that's not a word) it.  Your "poppycock,' and then your "analysis" apparently to reambiguate (ditto) it does not help. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

is it "a oceanic" or "an oceanic"
I'm mainly asking this because while perusing a vs an mistakes, I noticed that there is a huge amount of articles which say "a oceanic" instead of "an oceanic". I mainly see this within the climate sections of various articles on specific villages and such in france. If this is a mistake, then I think something might have bugged out on whatever was used to create the climate sections. Gaismagorm (talk) 16:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gaismagorm Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of "a oceanic" being a language variant (like colour vs color). If that were the cae, then WP:ENGVAR would apply, meaning it's not OK to swap back and forth between language variants. Certainly, as a British English speaker, I'd regard "a oceanic" as deeply clumsy, and would want to correct it to "an oceanic". Maybe some of our N American editors would like to comment (though they all speak and write funny anyway. LOL.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * . An American speaking here. "An" should be used when the beginning of the following word is pronounced with a vowel sound.  "Oceanic" is obviously pronounced beginning with a vowel sound, so "an" should be used. See Merriam-Webster for an explanation. A Google search shows that in actual usage, "an oceanic" is commonplace while "a oceanic" is almost unknown. Cullen328 (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * alright, I guess I might as well go through the arduous process of changing those pages (unless somebody has an issue or evidence of a regional pronunciation difference) Gaismagorm (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * +1 to what NM and C328 are saying here. Many of those climate paragraphs were added en masse, so it's likely it's just an error made by one or two editors. If you don't want to fix them all up manually, you might consider requesting help from WP:AWBREQ. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gaismagorm Watch out, though. This search currently gives 484 hits but many of them are valid as the "a" is followed by a piped link. BTW my pet hate is that many American editors insist on writing "an herbicide" where I prefer "a herbicide". I leave well alone, in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , "herbicide" along with "herb" is a legitimate ENGVAR issue. "Oceanic" is not. Most Americans pronounce those words with a silent "h". Please do not hate the variations within the English language. They are beautiful. Cullen328 (talk) 16:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I just did this search: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&search=%22a%20oceanic%22&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1 Gaismagorm (talk) 16:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It doesn't show the same issue with piped links as it's not searching within the source code. Gaismagorm (talk) 16:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * unless you mean I should mention that when posting a request on WP:AWBREQ Gaismagorm (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For that number, I wouldn't bother with a bot. A few editors using your search (much better than mine) can soon remove them all. I'll volunteer to help if you ask.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * nah i got this, it'll just take a bit Gaismagorm (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull after 2 hours, I have finished the edits. Gaismagorm (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well done. I'll contact you next time I have some tedious Wikignoming to do ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * please don't I regret this lol Gaismagorm (talk) 12:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Face-smile.svg Nick Moyes (talk) 17:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

How to change "Most Widely Known For" in the article on Jeremy Crawford
In the Article on Game Designer Jeremy Crawford, it states that he is most well-known as the Lead Rules Designer for D&D 4th Edition. However, speaking for myself, I feel he is better known as the Lead Designer of D&D 5th edition. What is the process for changing it to mention that he worked on both? Do I need a citation to prove what someone is "Most Widely Known For"? TheSoS9k 16:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @TheSoS9k I think it sounds rather subjective if someone has simply stated on Wikipedia that person X is most widely known for Y. They might have felt they were being helpful by saying that, but is it true and verifiable? I'd suggest just saying that the person X did both Y and Z, unless you have a published source reviewing their work that explicitly states they are most well known for something. In which case, say it and cite it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding! I do agree that saying someone is "most known for" something is a little bit of a cop-out, so I'll try and not have subjective language in my edit. TheSoS9k 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , it may be worthwhile to say that he played lead roles on various D&D editions. I'm not familiar with D&D, however, so the phrasing may need work. For ledes, however, try to imply the details in the body broadly. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 18:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Given his current work on the 2024 Revision of 5e, I agree it might be best if we future-proof this a little and say either "various editions" or "4th edition and onward", though I would like other opinions on this as well. TheSoS9k 18:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I might as well ask while I'm here, should I add a link the the Editions of Dungeons & Dragons page when the topic of editions is first mentioned in the lead? TheSoS9k 18:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Depends on what it'll look like, but I get the feeling it could turn the lede into a sea of blue. There should be good opportunity in the bodies. I'm sure your judgement will be good. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Good on you for pointing that out, I was going to make both mentions of editions link to the specific subsections on the edition in question, but instead I think I'll put it over the first mention of the word "Edition" and that should hopefully clear up confusion while not making too much blue. I think if a user really wants to find out about 5th edition in particular, they can scroll down. TheSoS9k 18:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello! My boss asked me to create a wikipedia page for our company, which is a non-profit organization in Utah USA. I am wondering if it is notable enough to require its own article.
My company is "Utah Health Policy Project" and my boss wants me to write an article for the main company. We have a program called "Take Care Utah" under our main company that has an article already. It is a little outdated, but it exists and names Utah Health Policy Project directly (no hyperlink, obviously). After doing some research into how to write an article, I'm seeing a few potential issues that might cause the article I write to be deleted, thus making any time and effort I put into writing it pointless.

The issues are:

1. I am too close to the company as I am an active paid employee, which goes against the conflict of interest guidelines. Would an unpaid intern be able to do this instead, or would it have to be someone completely unconnected to the organization? We have a few interns under contract from the local university, that are not paid by our company but do some work for us as needed.

2. Is "Utah Health Policy Project" notable enough to need its own page? We do host a large conference and festival every year, and there are a few articles published about us in local newspapers and online forums. Any advice on this would be appreciated!

Thank you! UhppUser (talk) 22:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your candor and open-mindedness, UhppUser. (1) An unpaid intern, or your paid self, could create a draft. An intern, even one who isn't paid, couldn't create an article. (2) It doesn't sound as if UHPP would be notable enough. However, you could (here, in this thread), provide links to what seem to be the three best sources, and we could extrapolate from these. -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I suggest that you read the essay When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 01:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Show your boss that essay as well, @UhppUser  NightWolf1223  &lt; Howl at me &bull; My hunts &gt; 01:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I would like to publically praise you for your self-awareness and retrospection! Not every intern comes to teahouse wondering the notability of their organisation ... Cheers, -- The Lonely Pather (talk) 22:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Language Issue Observed
Hello,

I was reading through this wiki content in hindi (link below) https://bh.wikipedia.org/wiki/मैंडारिन_बत्तख And found that the written language (Hindi) is seriously distorted and most of the sentences does not make true sense to what I read in the similar wiki version in English.

Please look into this.

Thank You! Avid-ansh (talk) 05:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello Avid-ansh, we unfortunately cannot help with concerns about articles in other language editions of Wikipedia here. You may instead wish to ask about this at that Wikipedia. Tollens (talk) 05:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Avid-ansh, that could be because that link is for the Bhojpuri language wikipedia. The language code for hindi wikipedia is hi. -- asilvering (talk) 05:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As asilvering says, that article is in Bhojpuri bh:मैंडारिन बत्तख. It doesn't appear that anybody has yet written an article on this duck in Hindi. The Hindi article on ducks in general is at hi:बत्तख. ColinFine (talk) 09:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I had never heard of the Bhojpuri language before I happened to see this thread. And now, just a few minutes ago, someone left a message on "my talk page" in that Wikipedia.  The message is in some language (I presume, that language), and I cannot read a single character of it.  Weird! Uporządnicki (talk) 09:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This is normal on Wikimedia software - when you visit another language project it automatically links your en.wiki account and often an automatic welcome message is posted.  Qcne  (talk)  11:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * More precisely, if you are logged in at any Wikimedia wiki when you view a page at another then your account is created there (unless cookies are disabled in your browser or something). Some wikis post welcome messages to such automatically created accounts with no edits. I have a proposal at Welcoming policy to disallow it. Special:CentralAuth/AzseicsoK shows all your accounts, most with 0 edits. That's normal. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter gosh. That proposal has been up for years... what's the procedure here? Do they just get ignored eternally? -- asilvering (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I never looked into procedural options but I clearly didn't do enough by just adding it to meta:Category:Global policy proposals. Maybe I should look at meta:Requests for comment. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, anyway, I've added my support to your proposal. I was very alarmed when I received my first such welcome - actually, that's why I have a meta userpage in the first place (so my babel boxes are visible on every wiki). -- asilvering (talk) 23:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Possible plagarism? What are the procedures for fixing this?
The article Oliver Evans has a few sentences in the end of its first paragraph (in the lead) are directly copied from this Britannica article (which the article cites). I see this as plagarism, because it's not quoted and the text is directly copied. What should I do to correct it properly? Should I warn the user that made the copy? LucasR muteacc (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @LucasR muteacc I've gone ahead and removed the material. It's pretty obvious that the user copy-pasted it from the Britannica article. I'll also warn the user, though they're an IP so they might get re-assigned before they see my warning. In future, after confirming the other website didn't copy from Wikipedia, you can remove the material and warn the user with template:uw-copyright. If they copied a lot of material, you can ask an admin to delete the material from the page's history as well useing template:copyvio-revdel, or by leaving a message on the admin's talk page. If it's more complicated, such as you can't figure out whether the Wikipedia article copied from the website or the website copied from the Wikipedia article, the material has been in the article for a really long time, you can ask for help deciding what to do next on the copyright problems notice board. Hope that helps, and thank you for finding this! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 04:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks so for much for taking action! Could you confirm that this would be considered "plagarism", and if so, what WP policy pages should I look to for more information? LucasR muteacc (talk) 04:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi LucasR muteacc. I want to second GLL's gratitude. Yes, that was definitely plagiarism. We tend to call it "copyright violation" or "copyvio" here. You can learn more about it at WP:COPYVIO, especially §Parts of article violate copyright. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

How to submit to editors for publishing?
I believe I have already upload everything that needs to be uploaded for publishing -- except for a photo for the infobox which I'm still looking for.

Here is the entire draft for approval: Editing User:Eleniofillyria/sandbox - Wikipedia.

May I request that PrimeHunter Eleniofillyria (talk) 20:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link User:Eleniofillyria/sandbox I have added the submit template for you. Theroadislong (talk) 20:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Eleniofillyria. Note that the presence or absence of a photo will not affect whether or not a reviewer will accept the draft. I encourage you to look for more independent sources - the first few citations in your draft are either interviews or clearly derived from Paat-Dahlstrom herself. ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mr. ColinFine for your comments and for Mr. Theroadislong for adding the original submit template for the draft, which I will still figure out how to use. Mr. Colinfine, you noted about quoting "independent sources" for the info regarding Paat-Dahlstrom. You must have noticed that the first 2 sources I quoted are well-respected, highly journalistic, independent news agencies in the Philippines, namely GMA News Online and Rappler.com (you can google these sources yourself).
 * Yes, they are interview pieces which these 2 established, "notable", and independent news sources have decided to conduct and interview. If they decided to publish such a piece regarding Paat-Dahlstrom, then it's probably logical to conclude that there was something definitely newsworthy on what she had to say. In fact, the person from Rappler who interviewed Paat-Dahlstrom for that article is Maria Ressa (Wikipedia entry: Maria Ressa), former CNN Jakarta Bureau Chief and included in Time 2018's Person of the Year issue of journalists combatting "fake news". I'm pretty sure her sense of genuine, un-fake news would have urged her to write a piece about Paat-Dahlstrom's mission to "democratize access to space", especially for Third World citizens.
 * Also Mr. Colinfine, I don't need to get information from Paat-Dahlstrom herself, as you may have suggested. All the information citing her are available online -- except for a few details. The Singularity.org citation and other work institutions she was and is currently connected with mentioned her other accomplishments. Since the lady is still living, I doubt she would have any other citation in a notable encyclopedia I could use.
 * So I'm not exactly sure Mr. Colinfine what other "notable sources" would you like to see, based on Wikipedia's writing guidelines? Pray advise me so I might rectify or improve on the draft :).
 * Again, I thank you both for your time in commenting and sharing valuable information in improving my draft. I look forward to your pleasant and helpful reply :).
 * Warmest regards,
 * Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Help With Meta Page Creation
Creating a meta page for Wiki-Green Conference 2024 has become challenging, The reason is that the tabs for Event:Wiki-Green Conference 2024 is linked to Wiki-Green Conference 2023 and I don't know why. I will be grateful if I get help to solve this pending issue of 2023 activities repeating itself in 2024, so that I can quickly provided the necessary information to various tabs.Thank you Jwale2 (talk) 05:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I know patience is a virtue, but how patient must I be with an AfD?
Good afternoon to everyone here at the Teahouse.

I recently saw an AfD flag placed on the article about the iconographer Jonathan Pageau. The concern was lack of significant coverage and possible dependence on self published work. I felt the first concern was not entirely well founded but the second concern was — as it turned out! — entirely right. Since the guide says it's okay to edit while a discussion is underway, I've just finished combing those problems out. As all can see at the AfD discussion here I submit that there are a dozen good, reliable, secondary sources that establish significant coverage.

I haven't been part of such a process before, so I just wondered, how long does this kind of review usually take?

Matthew MatthewDalhousie (talk) 07:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @MatthewDalhousie: AfD discussions usually take a minimum of one week, and can take longer (in weekly increments) if no consensus is reached at first. And yes, you are very welcome to improve the article while the discussion is ongoing; this can have a significant impact on the outcome (see WP:HEY). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Nice to have that clarity, @DoubleGrazing. I shall cultivate cucumber-like coolness. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 07:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Uploading non-free images for the Draft namespace
Hey there,

I am currently working on an article draft in my User namespace and I would like to add non-free images to it once the article is complete. As I understand it, non-free content that adheres to Wikipedia's policy of Fair Use should not be uploaded for use in the User namespace. The upload form states "It has to be an actual article, not a talkpage, template, user page, etc.". Does 'etc' include the Draft namespace, or am I free to upload images once I have moved the article into the Draft namespace? Does the draft need to be submitted as an AfC before I am allowed to upload images for it?

Thanks! quidama talk 16:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, Quidama! Yes, the "etc." there includes the draft namespace, so you will not be allowed to use non-free images on drafts. You'll have to wait until it's completely moved to mainspace to add the non-free images. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thank you! quidama talk 16:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * BUt note that the presence or absence of images will not have any effect on whether the draft is accepted or not when it is submitted for review. That depends on whether the sources meet golden rule and establish notability, and whether the text is neutral and encyclopaedic in tone. ColinFine (talk) 09:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I’d like to start a discussion on a wiki page but don’t know how
Talk:Acadia University Cherry567 (talk) 10:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Cherry567 Hello! If you look at that page on a laptop OR in desktop view on your device, there is a "Add topic" top-ish right-ish, that's how you start.
 * Looking at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Acadia_University, my impression is that whoever designed that doesn't want people to start talkpage discussions, though it's technically possible with "Edit". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * How? Cherry567 (talk) 04:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cherry567 I have started a discussion on that Talk Page and pinged you to it. You should now be able to make your comments there. Please let us know here if you are still having a problem with doing that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

关于911袭击事件内容的看法
我刚看了911袭击事件，内容所说”9月底，在美國各地爆發多起炭疽菌感染案件“，”但在2002年3月曾一度傳言，一名劫機者曾感染炭疽菌. “，我认为这种说法是恐惧和谣言，劫机者即使曾感染过，但在爆炸的情况下，细菌还能有多少存活并感染至各地？ 蔡菲 (talk) 11:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 這不是一般的討論論壇. See also your talk-page. Lectonar (talk) 11:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

my contributions to the Wiki Ulysses page
For months I've been contributing without hindrance. I only recently learned of the guideline  disallowing self-citation. I've extensively cited other Joyce scholars, but it may be that most of the citations are to my book on Joyce, Ulysses and the Irish God published by Bucknell University Press. The book is available on Internet Archives. I'm not trying to sell copies, if there are any to be had. My book contains information absent from other sources, and my intent was to offer it.

I've also learned that my contribution has become too long. I've divided it into three parts, "Joyce, Shakespeare, Aquinas," "Joyce an the Eucharist," and "June 16, 1904." I realize that if my contribution is to remain, it will have to be condensed.

You should know that when I first came to the Ulysses page, it was in need of revision and reorganization, which I gladly provided. I had already worked on the other Joyce pages, which were in worse shape.

I'd like to continue with Wikipedia. I apologize for not having been as conversant with your guidelines as I should have, and for whatever inconvenience I may have caused as a result. I'd like to think that any lapse on my part would be offset by the value of my contributions.

Thank you.

Frederick K Lang Quarkny (talk) 23:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In my non-Joycian opinion (having read none of his work), far too much of what you added has nothing to do with Ulysses (book). Bring the ax. (and "Three quarks for Muster Mark!"). David notMD (talk) 03:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Quarkny Wikipedia does not disallow self-citation. The guidance at WP:SELFCITE starts Using material you have written or published is allowed within reason and we certainly welcome subject-matter experts. It becomes a problem only when one point of view is given undue weight. Your best way forward is to begin as David notMD suggests, then take anything you are uncertain about to the Talk Page of the articles you want to edit and, after mentioning your possible conflict of interest, get into a discussion with other editors showing an interest in the topic(s). WP:EXPERT has good advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:40, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I see on the Talk page that another editor has expressed some concern about the length and apporpriatness of your additions. The article has many watchers (editors who choose to be notified every time they log in as to which articles they watch have been edited), so a first pass at trimming followed by discussions on the Talk page is good advice. David notMD (talk) 12:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * P.S. I saw that your 1993 book got a nice write-up at Google Books. In part: "This is the most comprehensive and original of the studies dealing with Joyce's response to the idea of God accepted in Ireland and to the sacred images and rituals prevalent there. It shows how in Ulysses he undermines and exploits the crucial elements of his rejected faith: how he recalls the omnipotent Father to reveal his artistic powers, the incarnated Son to celebrate his own human images, and the consecrated host to imply his hidden spiritual presence."... David notMD (talk) 12:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Blocked account on phone but not computers
Hello, I am having a popup on my phone saying my account Curiocurio is blocked from editing. There seems to be no problem editng on computers. I have no idea what this is for. The message reads "There are multiple blocks against your account and/or IP address". I don't believe I've violated any policies. There's no notice on my talk page. I've written a few articles with B ratings. Could someone help explain this. Curiocurio (talk) 00:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you edit via mobile networks at all?  NightWolf1223  &lt; Howl at me &bull; My hunts &gt; 02:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Not sure if any of this applies to you, but here are some possible causes: WP:VPN says  If you use T-Mobile, there is some information on this page that might apply, but I think it should only happen if you are logged out Advice_to_T-Mobile_IPv6_users RudolfRed (talk) 02:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I edit on my phone occasionally, but they are mostly minor edits and never anything of length. The block notice says it is for five years. I'd like to appeal this block but don't know how. Curiocurio (talk) 11:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you connect via a mobile network (typically a cell tower in your city) then it may help if you can change to a Wi-Fi hotspot (typically a router in your home or building, it may have a password on a sticker). Or maybe it will help to change the opposite way. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will try that. Curiocurio (talk) 14:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

What to do if article draft got declined for 'not enough secondary sources' but I believe there are plenty of secondary sources in it?
Hi all,

I would greately appreciate if somebody could shed a light on this: I cannot understand the "declined" reasons (no secondary sources). I included in my draft Draft:Santikaro at least eight excellent secondary sources to back up what I'm saying. They are in the References section: #1, 4, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15 and 16 -- all these references are excellent secondary sources.

Is it possible that the reviewer who declined this did not follow those references to validate that indeed they are good secondary sources?

Probably I misunderstood something, but I don't know what.

Any pointers would be much appreciated!

Draft is: Draft:Santikaro

Thanks, -Peaceful-D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peaceful-D (talk • contribs) 20:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Peaceful-D, and welcome to the Teahouse!
 * When we speak of 'reliable sources' in Wikipedia, we mean what some call the "golden rule": significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Reliable sources usually also have to be secondary sources, which is part of being independent - the source must be created by someone who has no affiliation with the subject being written about (apart from being interested in that person or thing). If you click that link, you'll be able to get more detailed information. I've had a quick glance specifically at the references you highlighted (thank you! it helps a lot if you point out the ones you think are best!).
 * Firstly, since your subject is a living person, you have some more policies you must follow: WP:BLP spells these out. You've referenced almost every piece of information in the draft, which is a great start, so now we have to assess those references and make sure they all comply. Secondly, your aim is to establish that he is notable by Wikipedia standards, which are quite strict. If he's not notable by Wikipedia standards, that doesn't mean we think he's not important, or that he hasn't made an impact - he might be the most wonderful person in the world, but we can only summarize what reliable sources say, so we must look for things that have been independently written about him. With that all in mind, moving on to your sources!
 * 1) - I don't speak Thai, so I am relying on Google Translate here. This appears to be an interview with Santikaro, which cannot be used to establish notability (not independent). You can use basic, uncontentious facts (such as his birthday or place of birth) from interviews, but nothing else, and so this reference is discounted for the purposes of deciding whether he is notable.
 * 4) looks like his biography for a company he works for or with. This cannot be used to establish notability, as it's also not independent.
 * 10) appears to be a private website, which is going to fall short of the reliable source part of your reference requirements as it must have editorial oversight and a reputation for fact-checking to be considered reliable. You need something more like a well-known newspaper, or a book from a reputable publisher; I don't think this website would be accepted as a source at all, I'm sorry to say.
 * 11) is a podcast interview with Santikaro, which also cannot be used for notability due to lack of independence.
 * 12) is Santikaro speaking about his teachings, which is once again not independent.
 * 14) is the same website and biography-style information as 4), so the same applies here too.
 * 15) is Santikaro speaking again, so another source that isn't independent.
 * 16) is written by Santikaro, and thus also not independent.
 * I think by now you will be seeing there's a major theme running through my responses to your sources. Please understand that I do not mean to be critical of your efforts, and wish to help you out as you work on your draft. Unfortunately, BLPs are the hardest kind of article to write, so it's a tough start to your Wikipedia career. I did a quick Google of Santikaro, and didn't find any sources that would be considered reliable. Maybe you are aware of books that may have been written about him - or articles in a newspaper or magazine, or other similar works? If so, they might be usable. Otherwise, I don't think you are going to be able to get this draft published. I regret that this is the answer I have to give, but without good sources (again by Wikipedia standards), there cannot be an article. If you have further questions, please ask and either I or someone else will be back to answer you. StartGrammarTime (talk) 08:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @StartGrammarTime thank you so much for this informative response - only after reading this one I now feel equipped to continue with modifying this article with the thought that it has a chance. I really appreciate your useful advice! Peaceful-D (talk) 14:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

PROD
I know an article can only be PRODed once, but is there a easy way to check if this has happened (especially for articles with long edit histories so you can't just control-f "PROD" or something? And you can't PROD again, even if the article was last proposed for deletion more than 10 years ago, right? Thanks. GoldRomean (talk) 16:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi GoldRomean. Previous prods should, if proper procedure was followed, be noted on the talk page. I think most users would be understanding if you prodded a previously prodded article with no notice on the talk page. If you'd like to be a bit more diligent, you could try using WikiBlame to search for addition of the phrase "proposed that this article be deleted". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Firefangledfeathers Okay, that makes sense. Thank you! GoldRomean (talk) 16:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I forgot to answer your second question: there's no time limit. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Might be a good idea to also check the logs; I once PRODded an article without realizing that it had been recreated after a successful PROD. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Can't get article on wiki
Anyone know why my article isn't showing up on google? It's on Wikipedia but I can't get it to show up on google even when I type in the name of the article followed by wikipedia.

My article

Let me know! Thanks Richielemay29 (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Articles aren't indexed by Google until an editor with patrolling rights has designated the article as patrolled, or the article has existed for 90 days.
 * Also, this shouldn't have been published in article space. It looks like a company brochure. I'm draftifying it for review. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You have two accounts here, the other being User:Richielemay, which created the original Draft:CLNS Media. Do you intend to abandon one account? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * yes, I don't need both accounts. Only the one with my drafted article. Thank you so much for the help, I really apprecite it, I have been trying to find help everywhere. Richielemay29 (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Richielemay29: In the future, please ask at only either the help desk or the Teahouse to avoid duplicating volunteer effort. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Will do, sorry Richielemay29 (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Should I abandon my other account or is that something you can do? Richielemay29 (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll block and redirect it to your new account. Respond to the paid editing notice on your talk page before you make any more edits on Wikipedia, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Will do, thank you so much for your help. Do you think my article will be accepted and do you know how long it will take an editor to look over it and come up with a decision?
 * Thanks Richielemay29 (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I doubt it would be accepted in its current state. You need to make some improvements, like reducing the reliance on primary sources, and relying more on secondary sources that are independent of the company. See Golden Rule to get an idea of what's expected.
 * Also, you risk being blocked if you don't respond to the message about paid editing on your talk page. Do that ASAP. It's OK to be working for the company, but for legal reasons you need to disclose that. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:CLNS Media now shorter. And Richielemay29 has declared paid. David notMD (talk) 20:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Writing a biography
Good day, Wikipedia community !

I wish to make a gift to my good friend, writing his bio in Wiki. I researched some articles, write a text, but something is wrong (article declined). Is there any way to found more user-friendly interface, template or information to do it in right way ?

Text is : Sergey Anatolievich Polunin (born June 22, 1967) is a renowned netsuke carver, a follower of traditional Japanese bone carving, combining the artistic techniques of the 18th-century Osaka school with the achievements of the mid-19th-century Edo school, as well as modern techniques.

Parents: Anatoly Polunin and Anna Polunina. He is married to Irina Polunina and has a son, Denis Sergeyevich Polunin. Sergey Polunin was born in Magnitogorsk and later moved to Odessa. After school, he enrolled in a medical college and worked as a paramedic from 1988 to 1993. Following the collapse of the USSR in 1991, he entered the law faculty at Mechnikov Institute and practiced law from 1996 to 2006. In 2006, after a trip to China, he was impressed by the art of netsuke carving and, upon returning home, began studying carving from famous masters as well as independently, by studying antique works presented in museums. By 2011, Sergey Polunin had left his legal career to fully focus on creating miniature sculptures.

The characteristic features of Sergey Polunin's work include a unique style, compact composition, and energetic volume modeling. He achieves this through lively and vivid imagery, successfully interpreting classical plots with a modern vision, and the ability to convey mood and emotion with just a few strokes. Unlike the Edo school's mid-19th-century netsuke, his work lacks excessive detailing, frequent engraving, and blackening. Although Sergey Polunin sometimes incorporates engraving and inlay into his works, these elements do not become the main expressive means in his netsuke and okimono. His work is valued for the uniqueness of the concept rather than the refinement of the finish. The key qualities for which his work is appreciated by contemporaries are his ability to create lively, dynamic, and psychologically credible scenes without disrupting the geometry of the volume or compact composition, and his sense of humor in depicting various mythological plots.

Sergey Polunin's style is largely a blend of the earlier Osaka and new Edo traditions. His medical education ensures that his works are anatomically precise, making even mythological creatures appear very realistic and lively. Sergey Polunin is also a follower of the wabi-sabi philosophy, which gives his works a unique combination of form and detail, and the ability to convey emotion and mood in netsuke with just a few chisel strokes.

Since 2014, he has also been the author and co-author of jewelry, using his works as the central element, as netsuke are traditionally not just collectible items but also accessories that highlight the unique style of their owner.

What i should change or add to do this article good for wiki ?

Best regards, Kate. KaterynaOd1986 (talk) 12:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * All content, including everything in Career, must be either verified by references or else deleted. See WP:BLP. Right now, with no references, it reads as your opinion of his style and competence. Also, see WP:COI for your need to declare your connection to him. David notMD (talk) 12:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for direct links. Wikipedia is very huge for me, i never wrote articles before.. And user interface is not very friendly for novice here :( KaterynaOd1986 (talk) 21:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @KaterynaOd1986 You should also be aware that an article about your friend isn't necessarily a good thing. Shantavira|feed me 15:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but there's only about 300 netsuke artists in current days, so i think it's important to save this type of art.. KaterynaOd1986 (talk) 21:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Finding a good company article to model on
Hello Teahouse denizens. I've recently been editing the Allbirds page (glacially, I may add). One of my struggles is that I'm between basing it on Patagonia, Inc., Apple Inc., and Warby Parker, none of which are above B-class. It would help me understand what a number of good company articles have, and if I'm giving undue weight to anything in my edits (i.e. the legal and public reception sections). I apologise if this seems rambling. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Oganguly: if you go to WP:GA, you can see 'Good articles' sorted, which should make it easier to find what you're looking for. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , please take a look at Good articles/Social sciences and society. There are 129 Good articles about businesses listed there. Cullen328 (talk) 16:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

, : Thank you for the recommendations. I'll consult the Wikiprojects for advice on culling, and model on some of what I'm seeing on FAs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oganguly (talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Here are the lists of Featured articles on companies and Good articles on companies. Left guide (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Finding biographies
I want to identify people who had some involvement with the Battle of Waterloo (and not just soldiers). It's easy enough to search on "Battle of Waterloo". But is there a way to turn up only biographies? Is there a way to limit results to people born before 1790, or who died in 1815? Humpster (talk) 08:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Humphrey Tribble: some categories may be useful here, eg. Category:People of the Battle of Waterloo and Category:1815 deaths. I know that doesn't quite answer your question, but maybe it helps a bit. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Petscan can be used to find articles that include two specific categories, or to do various other category searches. You can be pretty sure that the subject of a biography who is known to have died in in 1815 will be categorised as such but can't be so sure that other potential categories will have been applied to the articles about them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Upon a skim, Wellington himself is not in Category:People of the Battle of Waterloo. @Humphrey Tribble, does work for your latter query? The former can be done manually by decade, e.g.   then working backward, maybe? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Biographies usually have in infobox but there are many for people. This searches for articles which use Infobox military person and are not already in Category:People of the Battle of Waterloo: . For Infobox person: . You can try other relevant infoboxes in Category:People and person infobox templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, all, for the suggestions. I will explore these methods. Humpster (talk) 05:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi folks!
Hey, I submitted a draft a while ago, before I became an AFC participant. Now that I am part of the AFC participants, can I accept or reject my own previously submitted draft? Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 11:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's your choice...you certainly could do it...but do you think you should do it? Lectonar (talk) 11:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If this is about Draft:Lal Mohan Pati, it has been declined twice, for cause. Better to continue to improve it and resubmit. David notMD (talk) 12:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No, David! it's all about Draft:Dayar-e-shauq mera, Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 06:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Help on Meta Wiki
Creating a meta page for Wiki-Green Conference 2024 has become challenging, The reason is that the tabs for Event:Wiki-Green Conference 2024 is linked to Wiki-Green Conference 2023 and I don't know why. I will be grateful if I get help to solve this pending issue of 2023 activities repeating itself in 2024, so that I can quickly provided the necessary information to various tabs.Jwale2 (talk) 02:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * When I click the 2024 link you gave I see the 2024 conference not 2023. Can you clarify what problem you are having?  Also, questions about meta probably belong at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_Forum  or if some page needs to be moved then https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat RudolfRed (talk) 02:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks for the feedback, kindly note that when you click on the Wiki-Green 2024 nav bars or tabs it's redirected to Wiki-Green Conference 2023. I want to have all pages in 2024 not mixed with 2023. Jwale2 (talk) 07:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Dates
Is there a preferred style for years that are pre common era, ie is BC/AD or BCE/CE preferred? Alternatively, although I doubt it as they're not common knowledge even though I think they're a great idea, even OldEra.org years? I couldn't find anything in the style guide and I've seen both used but the BC/AD might be from older articles. Personally, although I'm not religious and don't like the emphasis on Christianity, I prefer the BC/AD indicators purely because of their greater contrast. BCE/CE are too similar and easier to confuse.

I have no preference for reply style but I am accessing Wikipedia through the app on my mobile.

Thank you

SaintIX (talk) 09:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * See Manual of Style/Dates and numbers, specifically MOS:ERA. —  Wasell ( T ) 10:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, especially for such a quick reply 🙏🏼. I wonder why it didn't come up when I searched for it? I guess I just didn't think of the right search parameters (I searched for BC, BCE, AD & CE and various combinations). Anyway, thanks again. SaintIX (talk) 10:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @SaintIX. To find this sort of information, the trick is to look in the Wikipedia namespace rather than the main article namespace, but prefixing your search term with "Wikipdia:" or "WP:" Shantavira|feed me 11:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That's what I did wrong! I was searching the "Help" namespace. 🙏🏼 SaintIX (talk) 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Declined because of not adequately supported by a reliable source
Hello! Sorry if I'm new here on Wikipedia.. but I made an Draft Article Sketchware, I don't know how to arrange or fix these References because that time, it was not suitable or supported by the sources I put there, sorry if I can't understand anything. Axillarlyn (talk) 09:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , if you can't find reliable independent sources that discuss the product, it's unlikely that anyone else will try to do it for you. (It's odd to write a draft about a software package without telling the reader what platform it runs on.} Maproom (talk) 11:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your sources are poor. Linkedin, medium.com and quora are considered unreliable (see WP:RSPS). Crunchbase is even worse: it is what we call "deprecated", which means it should never be used. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I Want assistance in Writing a biography
I Want assistance in Writing a biography Davidfountains (talk) 22:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * . Select an indisputably notable person. Before you start writing, gather a list of indisputably reliable sources that are entirely independent of the person, and that devote significant coverage to the person. Once you have that list of high quality sources, format them into references. Referencing for beginners explains how. Now, neutrally summarize what the sources say, avoiding any promotional language. You can find much more detailed advice at Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 01:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your attempt at Draft:Lil Posty has been Speedy deleted. It appears you have tried again at Draft:LilX POSTY. I cut puffery and promotional wording. Probably WP:TOOSOON for him to be Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 02:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your refs to his songs do not in any way establish his notability. What is missing is refs to what preople have published about him. David notMD (talk) 04:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:LilX POSTY was submitted, declined, nominated for Speedy deletion, deleted, and then created again by Davidfountains. David notMD (talk) 12:03, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Page repeatdely declined for approval
Hello, I was just wondering if anyone could pretty please help me with a page I'm trying to get approved for a BBC radio presenter. It appears that it says the sources for citations, but they are BBC and national UK press sites. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Page is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Deb_Grant Thanks so much! Madetocreate78 (talk) 09:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I mean, it says the sources aren't adequate enough, but they are verified national newspapers, the BBC and other media outlets with notoriety. thanks! Madetocreate78 (talk) 09:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Madetocreate78 In this case, it isn't the reliability of the sources that is in question but their independence from the subject. Clearly, a BBC presenter being described by the BBC fails that test. Similarly, if the source is based on an interview. Do you have any sources that meet the golden rules? If so, focus on them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Mike! Yes I get you, there are quite a few sources that were BBC, so I've changed them to news publications. Fingers crossed that might help this time around. Thank you! Madetocreate78 (talk) 12:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Madetocreate78 Please examine the criteria we require:
 * For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * Compare your references against these.
 * I am making no comment about the references you have chosen, I am simply asking you to check, and to replace any which do not pass. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:14, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

My draft got declined
My draft got declined after I put in every source that I could find. They said I need more reliable secondary sources but unfortunately can't find any more. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you, My article is listed below

My article

Richielemay29 (talk) 14:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Richielemay29 In that case your article will never be accepted. In any case, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to promote or advertise. Shantavira|feed me 15:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not as harshly, but many of your refs are just name-mentions of CLNS, or links to podcasts. Collectively, the refs do not establish significant notability. If you want to abandon the draft, put Db-author at the top, inside double curly brackets and an Administrator will delete the draft. David notMD (talk) 18:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Birthplace of Tommy Robinson
Hello, it has been established that Tommy Robinson also known as Stephen Yaxley Lennon and various other aliases was in fact born in the Republic of Ireland. Not Luton! This is important because he has boasted of being an English patriot. We clearly saw from his Canadian immigration documents and his birth certificate that he was born in the Republic of Ireland. I have tried to edit the article but it seems I can't. Can someone please edit the article to reflect that he was actually born in the Republic of Ireland and although he has campaign for Brexit, being an Irish citizen the impact for him was not felt as it was for the rest of the population. ==

Edit page BritishGrammar (talk) 11:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Page link: Tommy Robinson (activist) --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Talk discussion link for reference: Early Life (Birthplace & Ethnicity). CNC (talk) 12:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please read Biographies of living persons and Reliable sources, and then discuss this on the article talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You have been discussing this with other editors on the Talk page of Tommy Robinson (activist), which is the proper place. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Cheers!! I’m not sure it is because the response I’m getting is that we should trust sources without documentation over sources from the actual person himself with documentation. Obviously, obviously I’m going to try and reach out to some senior editors to try and get more appropriate answers than “trust me Bro”. BritishGrammar (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This assessment is correct, per WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPSELFPUB policies. CNC (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * For reference sake, AndyThe Grump and David notMD both have over 50,000 edits and have been editing Wikipedia for over a decade. This puts them in the category of Master Editor II, that is above Senior Editor. CNC (talk) 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please note that service awards are just for fun and that RudolfRed (talk) 15:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm aware. BritishGrammar has made it clear they would prefer answers from more experienced editors, specifically senior editors, so it makes sense to reference that this has already happened. Whether the opinions of these editors is more relevant to the discussion or not (obviously it's not) is not of my concern, specifically when editors come here seeking answers from specific individuals. The only concept of a "Senior editor" that I'm aware of – that BG requested answers from – is as referenced. If you know of another reference to a "senior editor", then I'd appreciate the insight for future reference. I think David otherwise adequately explained the dynamic below, for context sake. CNC (talk) 15:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Humbug! BritishGrammar (talk) 19:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Care to elaborate? CNC (talk) 20:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

BG - Wikipedia allows editors to list their participation (# edits, years) on their User page, basically bragging rights, but being here longer and more edits does not grant more authority. There is a small set of people with Administrator status, but there is no administrative 'senior editor' classification. Your goal needs to be reaching consensus on the article's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 14:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Talk page consensus can't overrule policy, which is absolutely clear in ruling out the use of social media postings regarding the disputed content. Not that BritishGrammar even provided links for those, making the whole discussion rather absurd. We are being asked to base content on something somebody says they've seen on the internet, concerning something allegedly written on an immigration form by someone with a previous conviction for travelling on a false passport. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Robinson seems to have done something that upset Canadian immigration officials which led to his arrest, but we don't know what it is. As for the document posted on X/Twitter, this doesn't override the many reliable secondary sources saying that he was born in Luton, England.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:26, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Page Review
How can I know if a page is already reviewed and indexed by Wikipedia? Wår (talk) 21:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

How to make a username in a variety of colors.
I am trying to make my username signature look like

ThePantherSun (have some times)

Disclaimer: Remove the "RULES" part of my signature, also turn "talk" into "have some times". — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePantherSun RULES! (talk • contribs)
 * This user has been blocked indefinitely. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirect
How can I create a redirect to a subsection of a section of an article? Wår (talk) 06:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @War Term: see WP:TARGET. Basically, if the (sub-)section has a header, you can point to that by appending the link with # followed by the header. Otherwise you need to first create an anchor, to which you can then point. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I tried to do this relatively recently when I discovered a broken link. Despite having a subheading the pagename link still wouldn't work, so in the end I had to add an anchor to the article I wanted to link to. That's actually very easy to do: go to the section you want to link to and add the anchor template. It consists of 2 open brace characters ‘{’, the ‘Anchor’ keyword, the pipe character ‘|’ followed by a unique anchor_name (to make certain it's unique include, for example, the date) and finally 2 close brace characters ‘}’. All templates start with 2 open brace and end with 2 close brace characters, just as all internal links start with two open bracket and end with two close bracket characters (‘[’ & ‘]’. They're wiki markup characters, also called wikitext. You can find a summary at Help: Wikitext—shortcut H:WT) There's more detailed information for anchors under Help:Link (or H:L. Just type it in the Wikipedia search box)
 * SaintIX (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I will implement these. Wår (talk) 18:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello @SaintIX or @DoubleGrazing,
 * Can any of you help me to archive this chat on my talk page so that I don't loose it? I am asking for the help because I can't help myself. Wår (talk) 21:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

How can I alter a short description
Hidden Colors, on mobile, when in the suggested pages has a description of "0000 American Film". I checked the page source, and was not astute enough to find where this was coming from. 166.199.151.51 (talk) 19:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's added by Infobox film. The template page displays Auto short description. I have added . PrimeHunter (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Disruptive Editor, Possible Bot
I've come across the editor EmaisumadoDM who is making many (exclusively, from what I can tell) unsourced edits, recently pivoting towards changing native names of African countries, which is something that I've seen before and usually gets reverted by editors who seem to know what they're doing. For instance, Benin, Togo, and Niger (the latter coming a few hours this IP made similar, possibly unrelated edits). EmaisumandoDM's previous edits consist of minor unsourced edits to obscure sports teams.

Notably, this editor made exactly 10 edits in February and waited until they were autoconfirmed before making this recent burst of edits, and have made 0 edits to talk pages. They seem to be a bot, and may be building up to extended confirmed before disrupting more serious articles. Placeholderer (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You may want to discuss this topic at the WP:ANI. Regards. 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 22:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Need help including secondary sources to my draft
hello, i am working on Draft:Jenin_Ambush and according to the admin who rejected it i should include more secondary sources though i am finding trouble finding out what this could mean and when i looked into its description i couldnt understand it properly if someone could help me out here it would be of great appreciation Waterlover3 (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Primary sources are things like documents (birth certificates, driving licences, diplomas, etc.) and official records (census and electoral roll entries, alumnae records, etc.) of the subject.
 * Secondary sources are those that have gathered information, including primary sources, and used them to create an article, etc. about the subject, often including discussion and analysis.
 * There are also Tertiary sources such as encyclopaedias (including this one!) that collate and summarise the material from secondary sources, but do not add further discussion and analysis of their own.
 * Although Wikipedia may accept the limited use of some primary sources to corroborate specific facts about a subject, only Secondary sources are acceptable for demonstrating a subject's WP:Notability, which is a basic qualification for having an article. Hope this helps {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 23:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood. thanks alot! Waterlover3 (talk) 00:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

What is the purpose of being deemed 'Autopatrolled'
I have seem many articles self-published by those who are 'Autopatrolled' which are completely awful and would never make through the AFC process. Is it a license to publish whatever you deem qualified, subjectively? I read the page on autopatrolled but still do not understand how they get so much leniency. Thank you for clarifying. Geraldine Aino (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . As far as I know, all the autopatrol user right changes is that your new creations are automatically marked as patrolled so it will not appear in Special:NewPagesFeed (and similar tools as) as unreviewed (see WP:NPP for more about that process). It doesn't grant any special approval or extra leniency. If there are issues with an article that was autopatrolled, feel free to improve/tag/discuss on the talk page/draftify if new enough/nominate for deletion as seems best. (I'm making no comment on any particular article you may be thinking of since I have not looked at them, just making general statements.)
 * I'll also remark that using articles for creation or not is unrelated to the autopatrolled right. Any autoconfirmed user (around for 4 days and have made at least 10 edits) is technically able to create articles directly and does not have to use the draft space/AFC process; it's generally suggested as one is learning. Skynxnex (talk) 19:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Geraldine Aino, if you think someone is continuously creating new articles that are not up to a sufficient standard, you may want to contact an admin about it so they can remove the autopatrolled perm. is an active NPP admin, so you might start there. But I would encourage you to be really sure you understand the criteria that NPP reviewers are looking at before you do so. -- asilvering (talk) 20:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In fact I did just that! I posted it to the group Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. No one would touch them. It was bizarre. Geraldine Aino (talk) 11:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hm, that's disappointing. Could you link to the thread? -- asilvering (talk) 22:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The most recent thread created at ANI was Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools, which has been archived over a week ago. @Geraldine Aino: You never mentioned any user in particular, nor did you notify them on their talk page, which is mandatory as the boxed text near the top of WP:ANI dictates. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * He contact me, and of course, had no problem with the page. But what the WP:ANI dictates, as I read it, was if you address a particular user. I was asking about a particular page, not user. My issue is not with the user, but the double standard in the policy of who gets to self-publish articles they create without any oversight.Geraldine Aino (talk) 11:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If your issue isn't with a particular user, ANI is not the place for your comment. -- asilvering (talk) 02:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Css rule Media Viewer
Is there a way to make the media viewer arrows because Im trying to make a custom css rule. And whats the code for the media viewer arrows. Flasherme7 (talk) 03:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Flasherme7: It looks like you also asked this question at the technical village pump. The regulars there are better suited to answer your question. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Quoting from a non-soft copy source
How does one quote from a source which is only available in hard copy? I have encountered threats, with my contributions being reverted and deleted. This is very frustrating after all the work of reading and extracting information. Please assist. Kenya High School Lilly Stein (talk) 10:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * There is no requirement that sources be online, their being so is merely an optional added convenience.
 * They do have to have been Published, so that users could if they wished consult them somewhere, such as in a library or accessible archive: see Verifiability. This means that when citing them (and everything must be cited to a Wikipedia:Reliable source), the reference has to include appropriate bibliographical details: see Citation templates for what details are typically needed for various types of source.
 * Note that pdf and similar files are not usually considered admissible, because such files are easily altered. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 11:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You cite (and if you need to quote then also quote) from paper publications just as you would for something that is also/only on the web; although instead of Template:Cite web you use Template:Cite news, Template:Cite journal, Template:Cite book, etc. (For that "etc", see the infobox near the top, and probably near the right, of Template:Cite journal/doc.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I remove/change a photo on a Wiki page?
As the title asks, I do not know how to remove a picture from a Wiki Page. The page in question is the romanian version of Constantin I. Angelescu's page, which uses a picture of former Romanian PM Alexandru Marghiloman. The picture in question can be found and stated to be Alexandru Marghiloman on multiple other websites like this and this. The photo in question is even used on his autobiography.

Thanks! YoursTrulyKor (talk) 17:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You will need to ask at the Romanian Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia has its own rules and guidelines.  I think the help desk for that Wikipedia is at ro:Wikipedia:Cafenea.  The image does not appear to be protected by copyright, so that fact that it is used elsewhere should not be a problem.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was not referring to copyright or anything around those lines, rather to the fact that the picture of a different person is used (PM Alexandru Marghiloman instead of a photo of Constantin Angelescu). Much appreciated! YoursTrulyKor (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The Romanian article uses an infobox template which automatically pulls the image from the article's Wikidata item . Pinging Asybaris01 who uploaded commons:File:Constantin I. Angelescu (1).jpg and added it to Wikidata. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I suppose that explains why I wasn't able to remove and change the photo with one actually of Angelescu (who looked like this for reference). Thanks! YoursTrulyKor (talk) 12:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Should I remove this off of a page?
I was reading a Wikipedia article about a city, and in the history section, there was a sentence that said that what they were talking about in the previous sentence was “unacceptable”. Then the article continues as normal. I checked and this sentence has been there for years. I feel like this is not a neutral sentence, so should I remove it? Zabro29 (talk) 02:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please give the name of the article, so there is more context for your questiobn RudolfRed (talk) 02:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The page is West Des Moines, Iowa Zabro29 (talk) 02:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * , I don't see the word "unacceptable" anywhere in the article. I do see the sentence "Turning the West Des Moines Community Schools into a two high school district was not acceptable", which refers not to the previous sentence itself, but to a proposal regarding schools. Like much of the rest of the content of that article it is unreferenced; but I see no other problem with it. Maproom (talk) 07:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright, that sentence was the one I was talking about, I should have said “not acceptable” instead of “unacceptable”. Thank your for helping me! Zabro29 (talk) 12:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Cite template?
What cite template do I use for this source? TWOrantula TM (enter the web) 01:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Try putting the url it into this tool see what you get. Moxy 🍁 01:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Template:NRISref is certainly a possibility. Deor (talk) 14:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Making a separate page for character Don Beech from The Bill
Hiya, I didn't know where to ask about this so I thought I'll ask here.

Main pages: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bill https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Bill_characters

I noticed that a few characters from The Bill have their own pages, and I was wondering if Don Beech could get his own page.

He is quite a notable character, having started the titular Don Beech Scandal and had a spinoff, Beech is Back.

TheSupremeMoron (talk) 02:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Perhaps ask this question on the talk page of one or other (not both) of the Wikiprojects whose templates appear atop Talk:List of The Bill characters. -- Hoary (talk) 02:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Good advice TheSupremeMoron (talk) 06:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, TheSupremeMoron, and welcome to the Teahouse. The minimum requirement - as for any Wikipedia article - is that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which generally means that there is enough reliably published independent material about them to base an article on. This doesn't very often happen about individual characters in a show, though it does sometimes. ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Please I want to upload my biography through Wikipedia in the internet
Please I want to make my biography publicly through Wikipedia Godlykingm (talk) 22:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You should not. Read WP:AUTO for advice on this.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * please help me out Godlykingm (talk) 22:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * User:RudolfRed is correct. You should not. A biography on wikipedia should be written by someone neutral. Bduke (talk) 23:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Plus, we don't even know who you are. No neutral party is able to do anything. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 23:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You tried to make an article about you by changing wording in an article about someone else, to about you. This was hijacking, and reverted. An article about you can exist only if people with no connection to you have written about you, that becoming references. David notMD (talk) 02:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So how can I contact someone who is neutral and I'm sorry for my attempt to hi Jack some one biography. Godlykingm (talk) 06:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You have been told by four different editors not to do this. And now I'm a fifth editor doing so. Please drop this. Wikipedia is not the place for you to promote yourself, either by writing yourself or by getting someone else to do. IF you are notable then someone will likely write about you. Meters (talk) 07:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

There are websites that promise to create Wikipedia articles. Most of them are scams. The sum of everyones' replies is that once you are famous enough, someone will create an article about you. Meanwhile, promote yourself on social media. David notMD (talk) 18:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Update: Indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 20:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

declined article
I have added over 55 articles to my sandbox and my article was rejected citing not enough supporting resources why is that? Kimberlyjbates (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Kimberlyjbates, and welcome to the Teahouse. User:Kimberlyjbates/sandbox was declined, not rejected: "rejected" would mean the end of the road, but "declined" is an invitation to improve and resubmit.
 * The major problem with the draft is that there are no inline citations: you have a list of 56 citations floating at the end, with no indication of which piece of information is supported by which source. The sole purpose of a citation is to provide a way for a reader (or reviewer) to verify that a particular piece of information in an article is supported by a reliable source. A list of sources at the end is useless.
 * Please read REFB for how to cite sources.
 * My more general advice would be to put your draft aside completely for a few weeks or months, and start making improvements to existing articles in order to learn about core principles, such as reliable sources, independent sources, neutral point of view, and notability. Otherwise you are like somebody who has never played tennis and enters a major competition, or somebody who has no knowledge of building or relevant regulations but sets out to build a house: you probably won't even understand the feedback you get.
 * I must ask: what is your connection with Harris? I see you took the photo of her, and I see that her mother's name is Kimberley. Please clarify your connection, and read the guidelines on editing with a conflict of interest. It might also be a good idea to read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Walking trail route pages (27 in total): Should I upload separately or compile in one page?
I live on Jeju Island, South Korea and have been walking the Jeju Olle Trail. There are 27 routes in total, and in addition to cleaning up the Jeju Olle Trail page, I'd worked on write-ups of each trail, based mainly on the guidebook and other Korean info. I need advice on whether each entry merits its own page.

Below is an example of Route 01 from my sandbox. The others follow the same formatting and detail. I'm also wondering what title format I should use for each.

Tentative Title: Jeju Olle Walking Trail (Route 01)

Route 01 is the inaugural route of the northeastern section of the Jeju Olle Trail on Jeju Island, South Korea. The trail features fields surrounded by black basalt stone walls, views of the island's many oreum volcanic cones, the coastline, villages, cattle, and horse pastures, among other sights. The starting point of the 15.1-km route is Siheung-ri Bus Stop, and the finishing point is Gwangchigi Beach. Its friendship trail is the Camino de Santiago in Spain.

Route description

The starting point stamp post is located 200 meters south of Siheung Elementary School. About 1 kilometer from the starting point, hikers can find the Jeju Olle Trail Information Center to obtain their first stamp. The trail in Siheung-ri features fields with regional vegetables such as carrots, potatoes, and radishes. In winter, the green carrot leaves and the orange carrots create a distinct appearance.

The trail leads to Malmi Oreum, a peak at 126 meters. From the top, hikers can view Siheung-ri's fields, Seongsan Ilchulbong (peak), Udo Island, and the ocean in eastern Jeju. The fields in Siheung-ri are known for their varied colors.

The trail continues from Malmi Oreum through the fields and leads to Al Oreum, a grass-covered oreum at 146 meters. Hikers are advised to stay on the established dirt trail. From here, the scenery includes Seongsanpo field and the eastern part of Jeju.

Descending from Al Oreum, the trail leads to Jongdal-ri village. After passing through the village and crossing the circuit road, the trail goes by Jongdal Elementary School and the old salt flats before reaching a seaside walk and then a coastal road. This is where the Seaside Olle Trail begins. Hikers walk towards Seongsan Ilchulbong (peak) along the coast. At Mokhwa Rest Area, hikers can obtain a midpoint stamp for their Olle Trail passport.

Crossing Seongsan Gapmun (flood gate), hikers reach Seongsanpohang (harbor) and continue along the sea to Seongsan Ilchulbong (peak), a popular tourist attraction. Hikers are advised to pay close attention to the signage, arrows, and ribbons of the Jeju Olle Trail due to the busy environment.

A walkway alongside a sandy beach connects Sumapo (port) and Gwangchigi Beach, offering different views of Seongsan Ilchulbong. The entrance to Gwangchigi Beach is significant for being a site of the April 3 Resistance Movement.

Gwangchigi Beach is known for its sunrise views. The black and white sands create unique patterns, and the broad rocks with moss add to the landscape during ebb and flow tides. This beach is where the Seongsan Trail ends and is noted for the color of its water. Seafood restaurants are available at the end of the trail, and hikers can obtain a finishing point stamp here.

References - [will add when uploading]

External links


 * Jeju Olle website
 * Route 01

Newspaperman (talk) 00:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Newspaperman, if this trail is "notable" (as this is defined by and for en:Wikipedia), then what you've written doesn't even start to demonstrate this. (What you've written also reads like a "howto" manual, though one written in the third rather than second person.) You're probably at the wrong website. How about Wikivoyage? (Although you should familiarize yourself with Wikivoyage's policies and norms before adding large quantities of material to it.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

taking permission..!!
I am doing easy level editing from past 1 month (adding internal wiki link and references etc.) now can I start mid-level Editing (adding updated info to outdated articles)? UnKnownrNone (talk) 04:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You don't need permission. Be bold! HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks sir...!!
 * 💬 UnKnownrNone (talk) 09:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * - It's good that you want to work your way up the ladder like that. Looking at your profile, you might be interested in following along with what WP:India is doing. They have a graph charting where articles of various importances lie (i.e. a Top importance article at Start class). Wikipedia also has a general page for articles in need of help which you can access here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_improvement. Good luck, and have fun! Ornov Ganguly (talk) 16:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * a colossal thanks to you sir for giving this information...!!
 * Talk✍
 * User Contribution 📝 UnKnownrNone (talk) 03:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

A question
Hello friends, how do you create a page in Wikipedia ? I am thinking about doing this. SunnyRou (talk) 04:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello SunnyRou. Writing an encyclopedia article for Wikipedia requires a lot of work, so I suggest you start out by studying Wikipedia articles on similar topics to what you plan to write about, in order to understand how articles are organized. It’s also good to first edit several articles to gain experience with Wikipedia formatting. It is important to carefully read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. I read through "Your first article" several times before attempting my first encyclopedia article, but it was worth the effort to have my article accepted for publication. Best wishes on your upcoming Wikipedia project. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Greetings! I have a question.
How can an article pass notability guidelines? 158.51.245.235 (talk) 06:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * By satisfying Notability. (If something in that is unclear, feel free to ask.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello! The notability guidelines tell you what is required. Remsense  诉  06:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft
How can I see the list of Drafts I created? Wår (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You can see TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @War Term Here you go. It shows articles that you've since moved to the mainspace, but they're obviously marked. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @GreenLipstickLesbian
 * @TheNuggeteer
 * I appreciate but what did you guys enter in the search bar to see those lists. I wish to learn and implement them myself? I don't want to come here again asking the same question over and over. Wår (talk) 07:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @War Term Sure, no problem. The Nuggeteer used an external site called Xtools, which allows you to enter a username and see what they've done on Wikipedia. I'm afraid I'm no good at navigating it, but it's fun to play around with.
 * I chose to go through the internal Special:Contributions page. Once there, there's a box saying "Username, IP address or CIDR range:". I put your username in in this case. Underneath that, there's an option to filter by namespace. "Namespace" is a word used on Wikipedia to describe what area something is in. You can tell what namespace something is in by the prefix. For example, Teahouse starts with "Wikipedia:", so it's in the Wikipedia namespace. All drafts start with "Draft:", meaning they're in the draft namespace. So I clicked on the namespace filter and selected draft. There's another set of boxes that let you filter things by the date, whether the edit was marked as minor, or if the edit created a page, ect. Because I wanted to see what drafts you'd created, I ticked the box that said "Only show edits that are page creations". It's not as smart as Xtools, so it left in drafts you'd created and since moved to the main (or article) space. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow, I love the XTool more. Very cool and interesting to navigate. I am impressed. Wår (talk) 08:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please, I have one more question. How can I know if a page is already reviewed by a Page reviewer and indexed on Wikipedia?  Wår (talk) 08:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @War Term When a page you created gets reviewed, you should get a notification. Past notifications can be viewed at Special:Notifications, if you accidentally click something away before you've read it properly. But, failing that, you can always go to a page, go to history, and then click on the button that says "View logs for this page". If a page has been reviewed, it will show up there. (That page also shows if the page has previously been deleted, or if any revisions on the page were deleted due to copyright or other major issues). Any page that goes unreviewed for 3 months automatically becomes indexed. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @GreenLipstickLesbian
 * Wow, you have literally answered my questions. I have learnt more from you than I learnt from my automatically assigned Mentor who has been inactive for sometime now.
 * I am making you my Mentor and I will be reaching you on your talk page from time to time. My Username remains War Term. Wår (talk) 09:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Mainespace
Hi I am an auto-confirmed user and recently created an article on Wikipedia. Initially, I moved the article from my sandbox to the mainspace, but accidentally moved it under the wrong name. I corrected this by setting up a redirection. For a while, I could see and access the article from other pages. However, now I encounter an issue where it says, "There was an issue displaying this preview." Additionally, the article does not appear in search engine results, such as Google.

I have checked and confirmed that the article has not been deleted, I am not blocked, and I have adhered to all the guidelines. Despite this, I am unable to understand why this problem is occurring or what I might have missed. Could someone please help me resolve this issue? Privetjournalist (talk) 21:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * i forgot to put the page name, its Moslem Rahal if you want to check it Privetjournalist (talk) 21:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Privetjournalist it's there and working fine. There's no preview, because there's no lead section! I'll fix this for you. -- asilvering (talk) 22:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you very much for your help! Privetjournalist (talk) 22:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * New pages are hidden from search engines until they are reviewed by New Page Patrol or 90 days which ever happens first. RudolfRed (talk) 22:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Privetjournalist, putting aside from the promotional tone of the article, I quote: [for what?]  [Who?]  -- Hoary (talk) 05:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have seen this comment from another user and, Regarding the neutrality issue, I often rephrased sentences from news articles, believing I was maintaining a neutral tone. I apologize if this was not the case. I will make the necessary corrections to ensure the content adheres to Wikipedia's neutrality standards.
 * If you have any additional feedback or see other areas for improvement, I would greatly appreciate your input.
 * Thank you for your help. Privetjournalist (talk) 08:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * "Today he is one of the leading experts in the instrument" may indeed be verifiable (in Wikipedia's sense), Privetjournalist, but here it doesn't appear to be. Instead, it's referenced to what appears to be his appearance in a TV chat show. Unfortunately I have no ability whatever in Arabic, so possibly I misunderstand. Do I misunderstand? -- Hoary (talk) 09:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, you misunderstood. It was from an interview on Dubai Media at Dubai Expo. The interviewer mentioned this because they discussed how ney players usually aren't that famous in the Middle East. but Rahal managed to become famous in both Arabian and Western places. If this is an issue on Wikipedia, I don't mind deleting it. Privetjournalist (talk) 09:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Meta-Page Help
Please the meta sub-pages I created for Event:Wiki-Green Conference 2024 is linked to Wiki-Green Conference 2023.Kindly help de-link and help 2024 stand-alone.Thanks
 * I presume that this is from, who posted on the same subject two days ago, at ?
 * You were directed then to the appropriate place for such questions. I doubt if you are going to get any further answer on this page. --ColinFine (talk) 10:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Standards
I want to ask that are my draft article meet the standards for submission? 118.200.240.25 (talk) 06:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. Sample sentence: I can't even parse this, let alone understand it. From the context, I learn that the product is for men's genitalia; if this is so, we hardly need to be told that it's targeted at men. And there are other problems besides. -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user. The very first step in writing a Wikipedia article is to find sources that establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - which means, mostly, that people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish substantial material about it in reliable sources.
 * If you write so much as one word of an article before finding such sources, you are probably wasting your time.
 * NOte that official documents such as trademark registrtations, anything from the company, anything on social media, are irrelevant for this purpose. You need to check each source you intend to use against all three criteria in the golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 10:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Image size in infobox
Just added a seat distribution diagram to the infobox at Senate (France). What can I do to increase the size of the image? GOLDIEM J (talk) 08:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Add to the end of the image |(size you want)px]], you can try to expirement and put the size you like the most. TheNuggeteer (talk) 08:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheNuggeteer: That won't work: it's not just an image, but a parameter to Infobox legislature.
 * @GOLDIEM J: If you look at the Infobox legislature documentation, you'll see that the parameters include:
 * structure1 – image name for diagram of the political structure of house1
 * structure1_res – width in pixels for structure1 image (Optional); defaults to 120px due to a setting in template
 * structure1_alt – alternative text for structure1 image
 * You have set structure1 = Senate (France).svg. To set a width for the image, you need to set structure1_res to your required value; for example structure1_res = 240. You will show appreciation for WP:ACCESSIBILITY if you also add structure1_alt to describe the image for readers unable to see it; for example, structure1_alt = Diagram showing the seat distribution in the Senate of France by political party Bazza 7 (talk) 10:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry; I misunderstood TheNuggeteer (talk) 10:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @TheNuggeteer: No problem. It's tricky when infoboxes all have their own little quirks; using the term "resolution" to mean "width" is bizarre. Bazza 7 (talk) 11:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you x GOLDIEM J (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

television logo
So I was deciding to upload an image of Rai News 24 Spotlight program (which is an investigative journalism program) onto my draft that I have created for this program as I think it is notable from my point of view. Should I upload this to the Wikipedia Commons or should it be uploaded for just the Wikipedia English only?

Below is a link to it: https://www.raiplay.it/resizegd/1200x675/dl/img/2022/12/16/1671213693689_spotlight_2048x1152_logo.jpg Soafy234 (talk) 12:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Soafy234 only on enwiki as a non free upload. – robertsky (talk) 13:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That being said, upload only after your draft has been moved to the mainspace as nonfree images are not allowed in the draftspace. – robertsky (talk) 13:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Fixing Participant page on Wikiproject
I am trying to reanimate the WikiProject Corruption following an editathon last month. The project page had been dormant for years and I am now updating it. One problem is that the "Participants list" on the Wiki project page doesnt work and I cannot figure out the code behind it. Specifically, users cannot add themselves when pressing the "Participate" button. Can this be fixed or is there an easier way to manage participation in the project? Rxnd (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Rxnd. The "Participate" button at WikiProject Corruption and "Join WikiProject" button at WikiProject Corruption/Members apparently rely on a page that was never created at MediaWiki:Gadget-formWizard/WikiProject Corruption/Join. I have created it now but it requires a change by an interface administrator. I have made a request at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-formWizard/WikiProject Corruption/Join. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The requested change has been made and I get a form on the buttons now. I haven't tried to use the form but I guess it works. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It seems to be working now. Rxnd (talk) 16:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Rxnd You should probably also consider removing from the full participant list all those editors who've not actually edited for some years - there's quite a lot of them! I tend to feel that showing relatively few currently active editors actually reflects better on a WikiProject than listing everyone who has ever signed up. If you wish, you could even raise that as a suggestion on the Project's talk page to generate smoe interaction. (Send me a large amount of money in a brown envelope, and I'll gladly do that for you!) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Please help
Hello there,

I just upload a new article. Could you please advise me how to upload my photos. Thanks a lot. Naila Oto (talk) 07:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. You can upload photos that you've taken using Upload Wizard. Regards. 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 08:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Naila Oto You have placed your draft article into your sandbox, which is OK. However, it currently has zero sources, which in Wikipedia terms means you have written it backwards. Please read that essay to see the problem. Although Enkhtuvshin is dead, Wikipedia articles can only be accepted into the main encycopaedia if they are sourced, so that readers can verify that what is written is based on reliable sources. See also this related policy about biographies of living people. Incidentally, the presence or otherwise of photos will not influence the acceptance of the article: only showing that Enkhtuvshin is wikinotable will do that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Mike,
 * I did wikinotable so how can I publish it on Wikipedia so people can see it, Thanks a lot. Naila Oto (talk) 03:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Naila Oto Your draft still does not include anything which readers could use to verify that what you have written is backed up by already-published sources. Please read the detailed help very carefully. No article can appear in the main encyclopaedia without cited sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Good Morning America Edits
I recently noticed that User:Aaron_Kirey moved the entirely of the Good Morning America Weekend content to the main Good Morning America. There was no discussion whatsoever to merge and/or move content on this at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Good_Morning_America_Weekend&action=history

Here is where it began - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Good_Morning_America&diff=1231842356&oldid=1231842122

What should I do? Soafy234 (talk) 17:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * and now Good Morning America is a redirect to Good Morning America Weekend, which has no content. It make take an admin to sort out this mess - I'm certainly not going to try. Maproom (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * And Good Morning America Weekend is a redirect to Good Morning America Weekend which is blank. Good grief.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now Cwater1 (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There wasn’t really enough to justify it having a separate page in my opinion. Today show doesn’t have a separate page for its weekend edition, so why good morning America.
 * Also, just didn’t know how to redirect on the mobile version of Wikipedia Aaron Kirey (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok. So weekend today does have its own Wikipedia page.
 * Then again, that has more content than GMA weekend used to have Aaron Kirey (talk) 18:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Good Morning America Weekend had, bizarrely, been turned into a redirect to . A few minutes ago reversed this, and restored Good Morning America Weekend to the state it was in before it was gutted of content. (I did this with some missteps, as I'd insufficiently fortified myself with caffeine.) At a glance (which is all that I've given it), the article Good Morning America Weekend seems feeble, but not vacuous. Whether Good Morning America Weekend merits an article; and if it doesn't, then what should be done with what's currently in it, are matters on which I have no opinion. But before conversion into a redirect, suggest the conversion and get agreement for it. And don't redirect this or any article to "Wikipedia:"-whatever. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I did attempt to help clean the mess and made Wikipedia:Good Morning America Weekend redirect to the regular redirect. It doesn't show up in my contributions anymore. Good Morning America Weekend has good content to be a standalone article. Cwater1 (talk) 18:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

FA?
what is a FA? I know GA is good article but FA? Palisades1 (talk) 16:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Palisades1 Welcome to the Teahouse. FA pages are nominated and go through a tough selection process as the very best examples of our articles, known as 'Featured Articles'. See WP:FA for details. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Palisades1 (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See also Compare criteria Good v. Featured article, which @Chipmunkdavis/CMD directed me to at WT:GA a few months ago. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Including a template in a link works here but not in articlespace
Is it possible to include a template in the display text of a link? Specifically, I am trying to render the following:

extreme raising of

What's weird is, on this particular page, this produces a functioning link: extreme raising of. However, in articlespace, it produces broken output; see, for example, ; Ctrl+F search for "extreme raising of" to locate the relevant bit of text. The corresponding diff is ; you can see I used the exact same wikitext as above—in fact, I copy-pasted it here to produce the link at the beginning of this paragraph.

What gives?

n.b.: The initial colon in the link is due to the slash; see Articles with slashes in title Brusquedandelion (talk) 20:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Brusquedandelion, and welcome to the Teahouse. This behaviour is documented at Template:IPA. Adding  should fix it. ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello!
How to fix typos in articles? 178.80.72.4 (talk) 06:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Start by digesting Help:Introduction and the pages to which it links. -- Hoary (talk) 09:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * would be a good place to start if you're interested in fixing typos and grammatical errors.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Checkout the Typo Team at WP:TYPO for hints and tips for finding and fixing typos. RudolfRed (talk) 20:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Photo in infobox
Hello. How can I add a photo in the Infobox section of my page? Np3 1997 (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * on User:Np3_1997/sandbox you are using Infobox_company which does not have an option for images. it does have a parameter for logos, but non-free images are not allowed outside of articles.  Please note that Wikipedia is not for promotion.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The above reply is incorrect. See Template:Infobox company for how to display a photo or other image in the infobox with the  parameter. The image has to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons or the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks for the correction, I only looked at the "short version" RudolfRed (talk) 22:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I'll make sure to upload it to the Wikimedia Commons first. Np3 1997 (talk) 22:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Starting from today
Finally, I am done with Building My user page, from now I will be doing Edits...!!

I think it is a good time to go! UnKnownrNone (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @UnKnownrNone That makes a lot of sense. After all, actually improving this encyclopaedia is what we should all be here for. Your ratio of user page edits to mainspace edits isn't too worrying - but I agree: now's the time to get cracking on proper editing.
 * BTW: I see no evidence of your Userpage claim to have been nominated for 'Editor of the Week Award' since you started here just two weeks ago. I might have missed something, of course, but it's important you don't accidentally mislead people with incorrect claims. Next thing then to happen would be that someone might not believe you're genuinely a radiologist working in Canada! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * naah i am really a radiologist in canada i have also MD and MBBS degree from AIIMS UnKnownrNone (talk) 02:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Need more experienced users to publish my draft
I am trying to translate this Chinese page to English： https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E9%A6%AC%E7%B1%B3%E9%AB%98

I appreciate your help! Bilibala0088 (talk) 04:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Bilibala0088, you made one edit to User:Bilibala0088/Michael_MMG and five minutes later posted the request above. A bot later fixed your Mediawiki syntax errors: was that the help that you'd hoped experienced users would provide? If no it wasn't, and you were and are instead hoping that experienced users will complete the translation, add internal links, make sure that what look like references really are references, etc etc, then I should warn you that this is not likely to happen. If OTOH you have a specific, minor request, or a question about how to accomplish this or that, then feel free to post it here. -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Bilibala0088: welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
 * Creating a new article is one of the most challenging tasks there is in Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to not even think of doing so until they have spent a few weeks or months learning about how Wikipedia works by working on improving existing articles.
 * You might think that translating an article from another language Wikipedia is easier: occasionally it might be, but often it is really no different. A large part of this is because English Wikipedia is stricter than many about its standards for sourcing information. I don't read Chinese, so I don't know the quality of the sources in zh-tw:馬米高; but I observe that the section 簡歷, which I think means "biography" has very few citations in it. In English Wikipedia, biographies of living people require extensive citations. And if you take an existing text (translation or otherwise) and try to add citations afterwards, your job will be very much harder than if you worked from the sources (see BACKWARDS).
 * So, my advice would be to put this aside until you have an understanding of core policies such as reliable sources, independent sources, neutral point of view, and notability. Then read translation and your first article, and give it a try. ColinFine (talk) 09:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Six Flags
I am becoming concerned that the person who opened a discussion about a potential move for Six Flags, is not following procedure. He has continued to time and time again to count the for move and against move as a vote, which goes against WP: Vote. He also plans to close the article himself, with what seems to be the attention of moving the Article. Therefore I am requesting here that a neutral party close the discussion soon. Please help for the sake of neutrality and integrity. BigRed606 (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @BigRed606, welcome to the Teahouse. The place to ask for an uninvolved editor to close a discussion is Closure requests. (And behavioral complaints should go to WP:ANI.) 57.140.16.8 (talk) 13:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Citing translated books
When citing a book, particularly in sfn, would I use the date it was originally published or the translated date? Also, how would you add the translated date to the source in references? Thank you. Dantus21 (talk) 11:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I would use the translated date for the sfn since it appears first in the full citation. You can use the orig-date parameter in the cite book template to specify the original publication date. Example below:
 * Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  14:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  14:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  14:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! Dantus21 (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Help me please
How to move this page from Draft page to Main page [] . Can anyone help me with this? I don't understand what custom means here as Reason. Nilpriyo (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. You need to click the blue "submit your draft for review!" button in the box at the top of your draft to submit it. I'll provide a courtesy link to it that does not lock people into the mobile version: Draft:Akash Kusum (TV series) 331dot (talk) 14:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok But I am not very familiar with these things. Nilpriyo (talk) 14:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Did you click on the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page? That is really the only remaining step. When that person moved the article from the "Main" space to the "Draft" space, the edit explanation was just not changed from the default "Reason/s: custom reason." Ornov Ganguly (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sir, you help me a little to know these things. Nilpriyo (talk) 15:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just press submit and you're all done if you want to keep things simple. My real namm  (💬pros · ✏️cons) 16:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining Nilpriyo (talk) 17:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Suggesting articles for improvement?
Hello! Is there a way to suggest or nominate particular articles for improvement? I've put a lot of work into a couple pages, but they still need lots of work that I don't have the time or energy for. I know there are no deadlines on WP, so it's not exactly an urgent matter, but these pages are culturally important and I would love to see them get some serious attention from editors besides myself. Wafflewombat (talk) 22:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's perhaps a job for the relevant WikiProject(s); but most WikiProjects are either more or less moribund or already have requests like yours, or both. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Just out of curiosity, was there ever a Golden Age of Wikipedia, when WikiProjects were not moribund? Wafflewombat (talk) 02:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There was an age when even English-language Wikipedia was young and perhaps more exciting than it is now, and when WikiProjects can be said to have flourished. But -- however understandably and excusably, given the circumstances -- a high percentage of the articles were crap. Back then, perhaps Wikipedia glistered, but it was hardly golden. -- Hoary (talk) 02:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a good question. Wikipedia generally felt more lively before c. 2011, but I don't remember if that translated to WikiProjects specifically. The number of active editors fell by a third between 2009 and 2014 and has since remained roughly the same, but the number of WikiProjects has increased. It stands to reason that less people spread over more projects would lead to a loss of activity. On the other hand, there are projects that have managed to remain active (e.g. WP:MILHIST, WP:MED), including some created after 2014 (e.g. WP:WOMRED). You really need a proactive core group to keep them going and I suspect that the majority of WikiProjects just never had that. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 19:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong with this ordered list?
In the process of expanding an article and am struggling to determine what I'm doing wrong with this ordered list. It seems fine, but whenever I try to review changes or see a preview of it, the list is invisible. Clearly, I goofed somewhere, but for the life of me can't see where. Although currently invisible, the ordered list is pasted below in wikitext. Help, please? Thank you!

1. Prelude: Lento (♩ = 72) — Poco più mosso ( = 72) — Lento (♩ = 58) (attacca)

2. Fugue: Adagio (♩ = 84)

3. Scherzo: Allegretto ( = 84)

4. Intermezzo: Lento (♩ = 72) (attacca)

5. Finale: Allegretto ( = 96) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @CurryTime7-24: You have not followed the instruction at Ordered list which states that "equal signs (=) must be escaped or replaced with =" . Replace the = signs in each item with =; so (♩ = 72) becomes (♩ = 72). Bazza 7 (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, my friend!!! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Infoboxes
How can I put infoboxes on my draft? Can I even? An answer to this would be very helpful thank you! WikiPhil012 (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Click on "Insert" button. From there, a dropdown menu will appear. Then click on "Templates". You will be asked to enter the name of the template. Here is an article about templates that I think will be useful to you on deciding which info box is best for your draft that you are currently writing on: Templates. Soafy234 (talk) 22:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Alternatively: Find an article on a similar subject, WikiPhil012. (If your draft is about a soccer player, find an article about a soccer player. Et cetera.) Act as if about to edit its source. Copy the relevant infobox. Cancel the edit. Paste the infobox into your draft. Edit the content of the infobox. Note that addition of an infobox helps neither to demonstrate the notability of the subject of your draft nor to show that the draft merits promotion to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks you for the help. You both made my Wikipedia experience better. WikiPhil012 (talk) 23:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

NPP or page review request
Hello, I just spent some time working on this page, about a notable (but sadly deceased subject) and wanted to ask if any NPP's are online to review it? Here is the page: Michael Lehrer

If the page is not ready, feel free to draftify and I will submit as an AfC. If it seems good, asking for this to be reviewed and indexed as the subject is a quite notable and prolific individual in comedy and ALS history.

Thanks (sorry if this isn't the place to post this) Comintell (talk) 00:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Currently, WP:NPP has a backlog of 12724 articles. Just be patient.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

IP blocks technical question
I was editing on en.Wikipedia today and used my iPad tethered to my iPhone via Blue tooth. I could edit with my iPhone but not with my iPad, getting the message, ~ ip blocked as anonymizing relay. Was it a config error on my part? Back at home, no problem with either device connected to my LAN with persistent IP address. Thanks for any answers or other direction to help. — N eonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 00:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC) —
 * Might be due to " iCloud Private Relay" Open_proxies RudolfRed (talk) 02:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That may not apply. I just saw you mention bluetooth connection.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you for replying—so quickly and on the nose. According to the message; probably some mistake on my part—there was an open proxy guest account at the location. I can not see any real reason for editing being possible on the iPhone and not on the tethered iPad. — N eonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 02:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC) —

Category:School board members
Shouldn't this be a subcategory of Category:board members? I always wondered why that category doesn't exist when we have dozens of categories with "board members" in the title Trade (talk) 11:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Trade. Welcome to the Teahouse. I can't imagine anyone being interested in such a vague category. A "board" means different things in different contexts, per board. Shantavira|feed me 13:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There must be something in common Trade (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Category:School board members, Category:Members of district health boards in New Zealand and Category:Provincial board members in the Philippines looks a little too diverse to me. Maybe if a category was limited to boards of an organization. By the way, I found Category:Grey's Anatomy task force administrative board members. Wow, we have an administrative board for editors of a specific TV series. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The phrase "board member" to me immediately conjures up the idea of a member of the board of directors of a company, i.e. a director. While there are other kinds of board (boards of governors, boards of trustees etc) I would not use or understand the phrase in those senses unless the context had already established what kind of board we were talking abou.t ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Red Link
Hi - I'm trying to add a Red Link to 'Pero Jones' on the Pero's Bridge page, because the bridge is named after him, and he needs his own page as there is a lot of published information about him, which is unusual for an enslaved person in Bristol at that time. I'm planning to do this in the not too distant future. But when I put in the double brackets round his name it creates a hyperlink to the Pero's Bridge page, and I can't work out why it does that, or how to give it the red link. Help me please!

Hope that makes sense. Ruthhenrietta (talk) 14:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Ruthhenrietta the reason it links back to the Pero's Bridge article, is that Pero Jones is currently a redirect to the bridge article. Click on Pero Jones and than look at the very top of the Pero's Bridge page and it should say "(Redirected from Pero Jones)".  If you click on that link it will take you to the redirect, which explains the link is
 * With possibilities: This is a redirect from a title that potentially could be expanded into a new article or other type of associated page such as a new template. The topic described by this title may be more detailed than is currently provided on the target page or in a section of that page.
 * We don't want a circular redirect whilst there is no article on Pero Jones, but that description should encourage you to consider creating such an article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ruthhenrietta (talk) 15:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hi Ruthhenrietta. Pero Jones is a redirect to Pero's Bridge because he has a significant mention there and doesn't have his own article. It for example helps users who search information about him by entering his name in the search box. It also means he can be linked in other articles like History of Bristol. But a link in Pero's Bridge is unhelpful if it just redirects back to the page itself. I have used . This omits a link when it would redirect back to the page but makes a link if it becomes an article or a redirect to a different article. The redirect is appropriate now but see Help:Redirect if you want to make an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing that and explaining clearly. I might have to come back to you at the point when I make the page... I'm still learning! Ruthhenrietta (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Ruthhenrietta. While it is possible to create an article by simply editing the redirect page, I would advise against doing it this way unless you are confident that you can in your first edit create something that meets the basic requirements for sourcing and establishing notability. Generally it is better to create the new article as a draft, and then either submit it for review, or (if you are confident it will pass review) making a move request to move your draft over the redirect. ColinFine (talk) 10:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

== I see an error on kamala harris page. It says she was born 1964 and at age of 19, in 1958.... "She moved to the United States from India as a 19-year-old graduate student in 1958," however the math says 1964 plus 19 is 1983 ==

I see an error on kamala harris page. It says she was born 1964 and at age of 19, in 1958.... "She moved to the United States from India as a 19-year-old graduate student in 1958," however the math says 1964 plus 19 is 1983 147.81.37.181 (talk) 06:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I think you've misread it. It says that her mother moved to the USA in 1958. Valenciano (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe that sentence could be made clearer, it is obvious when you read it in context of that paragraph but if you got there by, for instance, searching in-article for the word 'India' then you might not realise that it's not talking about Harris. Sentences getting pulled out of context is a pretty common issue, like it or not. -- D'n'B-t -- 11:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Samsung DeX
Does Wikipedia support Samsung DeX? AndroidEnthusiast (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Wikipedia can be accessed from any device or operating system capable of running a web browser. I'm not familiar with Samsung DeX but it appears to be one of them. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @AndroidEnthusiast See Samsung DeX. The technology is a way to add standard desktop features like a keyboard, mouse and monitor to your phone. The actual software used to access WP will be whatever you would use from the phone itself, usually a browser or various apps. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Updating a page while retaining proper attribution
I've been working with another user to create an improved version of an article in userspace. (For specifics, the article to be improved is Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy and the userspace draft is User:WikiDan61/LATE). I've checked with WP:WikiProject Medicine and have received at positive (not rousing, but at least positive) reception regarding the current state of the draft. I'd like to merge the contents of this user-space draft into the mainspace article while properly giving attribution to Pete Nelson for his contributions in the draft space. How do I go about doing that? WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Vis-a-vis Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy, last month User:Pete Nelson from UKY completely rewrote the article, in the process deleting all but one of the references and adding his own sci journal articles as references. His efforts were correctly reverted. He should review Expert editors and WP:SELFCITE. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As for the draft now at User:WikiDan61/LATE I am guessing/hoping that it includes the references that are in the existing article. Large chunks of text are not referenced, and of greater concern, I counted 17 of the 65 refs as having P Nelson as first author. I strongly recommend that the two of you collaborate on a revision that has all content referenced and as few as possible citations of Nelson et al. As for acknowledging contributions, Wikipedia does not do that in articles. I suppose on the Talk page of the article, you could add a new section stating that Nelson contributed to the revisions. David notMD (talk) 13:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks David notMD. I wrote the previous version as well.  I can cull “my” references and add others?  In terms of editorial attribution, I think WikiDan61 was just talking about the edit log. 128.163.238.97 (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Little stuff: Reference numbers are to be placed after punctuation. Sci article publication dates are month and year, as in May 2024, not 2024-05. Authors in journal refs are last name and initials rather than full first name. A shortcut: enter a PMID number into https://tools.wmflabs.org/citation-template-filling/cgi-bin/index.cgi  and it generates a reference. I sam not against improving medical/health articles (I have raised several to Good Article status in my area of expertise), but the more common practice is to incrementally improve the existing article rather than replace entirety. I understand how the latter approach can be attractive when so much needs to be improved. Lastly, Wikipedia recommends "BRD", meaning be Bold in your edits, but if Reverted, take the dispute to the Talk page of the article for a Discussion-effort to reach consensus. Many articles have multiple 'watchers' who have set an option so that when they log in they are notified of any edits to articles they watch. There is no ownership, per se, but there can be strong opinions as to what is correct. David notMD (talk) 13:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks David notMD.
 * I actually edited the wikipedia page to conform with Wikipedia standard page formatting for disease (it was like an essay, before and was rated to be basically substandard for that reason. Honestly the basic substance of the page is not that different, it's the same disease.)
 * Some of the references in the revised page are redundant, i.e., they're the same ref but given different numbers. I don't know how to clean that up?
 * Thanks again,
 * Pete Nelson Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 16:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pete Nelson from UKY For replacing cites used multiple times with a single reference, see WP:NAMED. The template rp can be useful if you have, say, a book source and are quoting from different pages at different places in your text. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hm thanks but I couldn't figure that out, it's very complicated-seeming. There must be an easier way to recognize and consolidate duplicated references?
 * Thanks again,
 * Pete Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 17:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I've updated the page for citation style issues (duplicates; WP:REFPUNCT; display authors). I hope that helps. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much WikiDan61! I updated the page, added new citations.  Now there is broader coverage of references. 128.163.238.97 (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I do wish you'd learn how to properly format citation dates and duplicate citations. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Argh did I do it wrong? I thought that the point of the visual editor mode was to make it so dummies like me could add and edit entries? 128.163.238.97 (talk) 20:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you see red error text in your citations, they should be fixed. Specifically, the date format "yyyy-mm" is not valid. "yyyy-mm-dd" is valid, but if there is no specific day of publication (only a month), then it must be formatted as "<Month name> ". Also, per WP:REFPUNCT, citations always follow punctuation, not precede it. (The result should look like this,1 not this2.) WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks again WikiDan61! I made the recommended changes, see what you think? Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 01:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

FYI for anyone late to the show: This is about User:WikiDan61/LATE, which is being proposed as a complete replacement of Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy. One unresolved issue us that at least 12 refs, some used multiple times, are co-authored by Pete Nelson, a person involved in replacing the original article. Expert editors and WP:SELFCITE were mentioned earlier in this posting. David notMD (talk) 02:50, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Hi, thanks for this…to clarify, I am wrote the prior page also and the reason I’m replacing that page is to conform with Wikipedia formatting specs. And yes there are refs cited that I’m a coauthor of but the refs most frequently cited are consensus papers with a lot of other superb coauthors. 74.136.40.218 (talk) 11:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * wrote, not am wrote
 * 74.136.40.218 (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So...can we please swop in the updated version of the web page, from WikiDan61's site? Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 14:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

New page not allowing me to submit
Hello,

I have spent a few days editing a page I am planning to submit on behalf of a nonprofit I am working with. However, when I pressed the publish button I received this message: No stashed content found for 0/5b8aef10-37da-11ef-9430-cbf7fca7eb8e

What can I do to fix this? Thank you SulerLu (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @SulerLu, welcome to the Teahouse. That error tends to pop up when the Visual Editor is left open for too long. You can try copying your content elsewhere, either into a text editor on your device or into Visual Editor in a separate browser tab, so that your work isn't lost. Then be sure to "save" often, rather than editing in one long continuous session. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you I was able to copy it into another browser tab and resubmit it for review. SulerLu (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Long Beach Airport (LGB) edit problem
Hello and good day. Go to above article, go to the infobox at top of article on right hand side, go into the edit window for the infobox, do you see entries for helipads H2 thru H5, I deleted helipads H1 and H6 because they dont exist anymore, so what is there now, I want to appear in the infobox, but its not appearing. Need help fixing. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Theairportman33531: I'm half-guessing here, but I think it requires the first one to be numbered h1, otherwise it won't display them at all? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, Template:Infobox airport says so. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, you were absolutely correct on the issue. Problem solved. Have a great day!Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources on wikipedia page
Hi! I am wondering how to fix my article to have it approved, this is my second round editing, I have included more secondary and strictly independent sources. I am looking for some more insight on this if at all possible! Thank you. Racheldelaney (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * --ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Racheldelaney You might like to read WP:SOLUTIONS to see one type of problem. I'm afraid that the current draft makes the company look like a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL case. What makes it wikinotable? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

How to find DYK "new" articles?
I've always wanted to put an article in the Do you Know section, but I have no idea how to find eligible articles. The criteria is very strict: in the past week, the article has to either have been expanded five-fold, been created, or nominated to good article status.

What is an easy way to find a "new" article I find interest in to nominate for DYK? Coulomb1 (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Nominators are usually people who have created or improved articles that they are nominating. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Coulomb1 New pages are logged at Special:NewPages. Some won't survive the new pages patrol but you should be able to find lots that will. As advised, it would be unusual to nominate one yourself but you could certainly ask its main author on their Talk Page whether they had thought of doing so and offer help. Suggesting a good "hook" would be a useful contribution, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Renaming an article based on product name change
I'm not familiar with the guidelines on renaming an article based on product name change. This has come up at Ecolego from (paid, pending disclosure) editor Boriswe. Can anyone just rename it? What discussion should take place first? Should a reliable secondary source be provided to document the change in the product name? All advice appreciated. Thanks. signed, Willondon (talk) 15:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The relevant policy is WP:COMMONNAME. Worth noting is that Twitter is at its original title, over 11 months after it was renamed to X. Cullen328 (talk) 15:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer. Re Twitter, everybody's probably just waiting for the Xilliness to pass. Worst. Rebrand. Ever. I refuse to call it "X", and I suspect a lot of people are of the same mind.  signed, Willondon (talk)  18:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive?
Hi there,

I would like to find out why I'm getting this message?

"Hello, I'm TornadoLGS. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Bill Gibson (music producer) have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)"

I was hoping to place me entire history of my old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST on Wikipedia but I cant seem to find the right way of marking it up.

- Human genealogy project - Christian Life to give hope in Jesus Christ - The LORD has really put on my heart to write this article, what must I do to better write the article (tools etc.)?

Kind regards, Reinhard Behrens 102.182.3.200 (talk) 09:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I presume this is a logged out edit by User talk:ReinhardGBehrens1977. Theroadislong (talk) 09:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * First of all, please log in when editing. I'm not sure I understand your original question, but your edit is considered hijacking and is prohibited.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 09:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And for the record Wikipedia has zero interest in your "entire history of my old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST" UNLESS it has been reported on with significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Here is the set of your edits that, as said (with remarkable understatement), "did not appear constructive". What must you do "to better write the article" presenting the "entire history of [your] old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST"? First step: Find some other website for the purpose. -- Hoary (talk) 11:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 *   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Since I was pinged here, I reverted the edit because it seemed to be a partial hijacking of the article. That is, you were changing to content to be about a different person of the same name. However, I went with a milder warning because you had only, thus far, changed a small part of the article. If you are notable, then the content would need to go under a separate article. But if your only intention is to write about your personal religious journey, it's pretty close to certain that you aren't notable and Wikipedia is not a place to write your autobiography. Take a look at the link in the comment above for more suitable places to share your story. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Use of DMCA protected material.
Hi! I'm looking to upload an image for an article that is protected by DMCA. I read the DMCA policy, which states that nonprofit library, archive and educational institutions are exempt, but I want to confirm the use of these images, and how I should upload them. Thanks,  Lord ' serious ' pig  22:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Non-free image use rules are at WP:NFCC. All criteria must be met to use a non-free image.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What to do with ongoing aggressive editing?
I don't know whether to call it edit warring, but the 2024 Parliament of Kenya assault page is undergoing quick changes (and lots of reverts).

From what I can tell, some user is using multiple IPs to vandalize the Wikipedia page linked above. User:Wiiformii and User:Thegreatluigi are currently "defending" the page. LucasR muteacc (talk) 23:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Update - just saw the request for page protection. I think this is a viable strategy for now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#2024_Parliament_of_Kenya_assault LucasR muteacc (talk) 23:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The IP user has already been reported to Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism RudolfRed (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for Analysis and Improvement Suggestions for Wikipedia Draft on Shri Dharm Paul
I hope this email finds you well. My name is Kunal Masson, and I am working on creating a Wikipedia article about Shri Dharm Paul. He was a notable figure who passed away in 1990, and unfortunately, there is limited information and references about him available on the internet. I have drafted an article based on the available information, but I am seeking your assistance to review the draft and provide feedback on any mistakes or areas that need improvement. As I aim to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines and standards, your expert advice will be invaluable. Given the scarcity of online references, I have relied on printed materials and personal accounts to compile the draft. I understand the importance of verifiability and reliable sources on Wikipedia and would appreciate any suggestions on how to better source the information or improve the article's credibility. Please find the draft attached to this email for your review. Thank you very much for your time and assistance. I look forward to your feedback and suggestions.

Best regards,

Kunal Masson

Draft Link:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shri_Dharm_Paul Kunalmasson (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Please be patient. Articles for Creation's reviewers will get to it when they can. That being said, you will have to find independent, reliable sources to support information in your draft. Print sources are fine, but personal accounts are not going to help you establish notability. If there aren't enough reliable sources about Shri Dharm Paul, then he may not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article about him. Please see the first decline reason in the draft. Cheers ‍ Rela  tivity ⚡️ 11:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Quote: According to which reliable source? -- Hoary (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kunalmasson: you asked this at the AfC help desk, and I answered. You then came here to ask the same question. And then you went back to the AfC help desk to ask the same again. Generally it would be preferred if you asked only at one venue, and read the reply before asking again. This would enable us to provide help more efficiently and without duplicating efforts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Madison also tea What are they
Madisanal teas need list of them I'm morman no caffeine elder christopher 2603:8001:48F0:3110:9986:AC11:1AA6:DFC5 (talk) 05:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Elder Christopher! I think you're referring to medicinal teas (non-caffeinated list here). You're currently on a Wikipedia page designed for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, so if you're looking for more information, you might try the Reference Desk, where you can ask more general questions not specific to the encyclopedia. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My first comment is that the Teahouse is intended for asking and answering questions about editing Wikipedia. That being said, you may be asking about "medicinal teas". Thar topic is covered at Herbal tea. You may also find Mormon foodways to be of interest. Cullen328 (talk) 06:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

How can I submit a Wikipedia:Deletion review without being able to post to the talkpage of the remover?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies is restricted but the process of Wikipedia:Deletion review requires I post on User_talk:Drmies as Drmies was the remover of the page. The page deleted is "Down-ball" Rockycape (talk) 06:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hereby pinging . (If anyone's interested, this is about Articles for deletion/Down-ball, closed today.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Why does en.wikipedia lack the pro-Palestinian banners present on ar.wikipedia?
Pretty self explanatory question. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 12:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Because the en and ar language Wikipedia are totally separate projects with no relation.  Qcne  (talk)  12:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Probably for the same reason that it does not have pro-Israel banners. Or pro-Russia or pro-Ukraine banners.  Or pro-China or pro-Taiwan banners.  Or pro-China or pro-Vietnam/Philippines banners.  And reasonable people will be glad for all of that. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Same non-profit organization though. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually it appears wikipedia is one project from what I'm reading. How do you explain why its a 'separate project with zero relation' simply based on language difference? Pretty bullshit answer Qcne. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please don't make personal attacks. Different Wikipedias, while largely similar, operate independently, despite all being owned by the Wikimedia Foundation. Most editors who edit here have never made a single edit on Wikipedias in other languages.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 14:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And you know that donation banner hits every fucking language. ROFL. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Use of a self-published newsletter for proof of affiliation?
On the page regarding the activist Carlos Fernandes, I used the newsletter from the AIDS and Rights Alliance for Southern Africa (ARASA) to prove he had affiliation with that organization. Is this use of a self-published source ok? I figured a source from the organization itself would be able to support whether or not he had any affiliation with them. On the identifying self-published works page it says "A self-published work may be used as a source when the statement concerns the source itself." Would that be applicable in this situation? Thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello Urchincrawler. I would say no. Including such an affiliation in Carlos Fernandes is not primarily a statement about the source but about Fernandes, and in my few should be included only if it is supported by an independent source. ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 15:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about sources
Hi everyone,

I created a page Draft:Left Angle and it was initially declined for the sources, so I read the information about in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent sources and resubmitted the article with new sources a few times but it keeps getting rejected.

I really want to get it right and have even used the template below to try and organize and analyze the sources in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines. Could someone help me better understand which of my sources (if not all of them) don't meet the requirements and why? Since I don't know if they just all don't meet the requirements or if some are ok, I would like to continue to work and improve on the article starting with the ones that are deemed ok.

Thank you!

p.s. I have attached the source assess template below but it does not display correctly :/ sorry

Nanou41 (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed syntax of the table. See also Template:Source assess. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The sources in the table match the references in the draft version declined by the most recent reviewer. David notMD (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The awards are minor (two refs), and the last four refs are about the software, not the company, hence do not contribute to establish the notability of the company. All in all, this is probably too soon (WP:TOOSOON). David notMD (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. Ok that makes sense since the last four focus and say more on the product rather than the company.
 * Initially I saw a draft article someone started on the product Draft:Left Angle Autograph which appeared to have been rejected several times a few months ago and I added edits to it (waiting to see if it gets approved). Do you think these are valid for that product page? Nanou41 (talk) 19:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for this! Nanou41 (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Draft:Left Angle Autograph was Declined (not Rejected, which is a more severe action) for the reasons given. Given the newness of the company and its software, the references in both drafts do not appear to meet Wikipedia criteria as set out in WP:42. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What, if any, is your personal connection to Left Angle? David notMD (talk) 15:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m a motion designer looking for a new software to use and came across a comment mentioning this company I had never heard of. Then I looked it up and liked what I saw but while looking it up I noticed it didn’t have any wikipedia page (except the product page but I’m still learning about it) so I made this one. Our industry is a bit of a mess right now for several reasons (among which the government is actually suing the company who’s software I use atm) and a lot of motion designers are looking into options so I want to make sure we have access to any information that can help us find tools. Nanou41 (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah sorry, “declined” is the word I meant to write.
 * Ok. In that case, I think it would be very helpful if Wikipedia also added a “minimum time in existence” or a “minimum times mentioned publicly” condition to their guidelines because it would be a lot easier to understand their reasoning. There is a big difference imo between a source not meeting requirements in itself (reliable, independent, in-depth, secondary) and a page being declined simply because they want the company to be mentioned more in general. Nanou41 (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Possible 'new knowledge' post
I have the forum post cleaned up as an article to be posted. the forum post can be looked at(see below).

I have possible 'new knowledge' and am trying to get this knowledge

out to the public.

https://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewforum.php?id=2 then look for

“Possible ‘new knowledge’ by woodturner550

Is this proper to post and any guidance would be helpful. Woodturner550 (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * No original research is allowed here. Your forum post is best disseminated on some other more suitable platform actively soliciting such material. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You may also be interested to know that your idea is not really new; using a clock as a source of random numbers is a well-known technique, but is rarely used in cryptographic applications because it produces very poor quality random numbers. The output of a clock is pretty predictable except for a small number of bits at the low end. See our article Random number generation which says "They are often initialized using a computer's real-time clock as the seed, since such a clock is 64 bit and measures in nanoseconds, far beyond the person's precision. These functions may provide enough randomness for certain tasks (for example video games) but are unsuitable where high-quality randomness is required, such as in cryptography applications, or statistics." CodeTalker (talk) 16:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand your point. You have not seen the output and you have already JUDGED this as nothing! If you want to see the supporting data email me. Cannot be a impartial judge of 'new knowledge' until you study the data. It is easy to say something but years of work to understand real random numbers.
 * Thanks for your comment.
 * woodturner550 204.195.24.212 (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

WHERE IS MY ARTICLE?
I wrote an excellent article but I can't find it ΡΑΝΕΤΙΚΟ (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * NOTE: User account deleted as a sock/troll. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Lyrics
Hi!

I want to add lyrics in Dayar-e-shauq mera, but due to copyright issue, I can't. can anyone help me with this issue? Youknow? (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Short of all of us getting elected to our various national legislative bodies and changing the copyright laws, I'm not sure how we can do that. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Relevant links (as seen in a similar recent thread here): MOS:LYRICS and WP:LYRICS. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 18:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiquestion
What's that itch I get when I'm on vacation and still want to edit Wikipedia even after I've written and published all of my unfinished drafts? (not sure if this is the right place to ask this)  TWOrantula  TM (enter the web) 19:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * i don't know if it's good or bad that there might actually be an answer, but wp:addiction might be it
 * write your will, for it may already be too late  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 20:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

RealMRCarty
im trying to put myself as a artist for my fans to know more about me and would like the help of making this happen Jonathan Carty (talk) 19:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Jonathan Carty. Absolutely not. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of notable topics, not an advertising platform. Please go elsewhere to promote yourself.  Qcne  (talk)  20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Teahosue Hosts are here to advise, not be co-authors. And beware of commercial cites that promise to get drafts accepted - most of those are scams. Wikipedia advises against attempts at autobiography (see WP:AUTO) and definitely does not exist for promotional efforts. Your draft was Speedy Deleted. If you are truely famous, in time a person with no connection to you will submit a draft about you. David notMD (talk) 03:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * well good day to you also im not trying to promote myself, im trying to put my life on black & white not promote so next time you speak to me know how your speaking because there many people also on wikipedia . as humans 87.214.89.24 (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Watervliet
At this page, under “history” where the paragraph starts “As of February 2020…” there’s information about the police chiefs. I tried to add a page “Joseph L Centanni” that which would be a clickable link with additional information. I tried to use the tutorial to add it but it didn’t work. That said, I tried to link to the page but it still is not a “clean” look. Can you give me advice on how to fix it?
 * ) TY!

Dcent0514 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Page link: Watervliet, New York Dcent0514 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Dcent0514. We do not currently have an article on Joseph L. Centanni, so you cannot add a Wikilink to it. If you believe that Centanni meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so that there could be an article written about him, then you may add a Wikilink looking like, which will display as Joseph L. Centanni - a redlink indicating that its destination does not currently exist.
 * If you mean a link to an external source, then no, we do not put external links in the text of an article. They may sometimes be added to an "external links" section at the end of an article, but there are restrictions on what links may be added, and it would not normally include information about a police chief. ColinFine (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I did the red link part :) and added content to it. It did say it doesn’t exist. Once I add content, how does it then become a “live” or blue link? Dcent0514 (talk) 17:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * When the page is created, the link will turn blue automatically, its part of the MediaWiki software "magic" RudolfRed (talk) 18:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I submitted it correctly :) it says it will be reviewed. Is it normal it is showing as regular black text until the page is approved? Dcent0514 (talk) 18:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It is black because user undid your edit that added the Wikilink.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Why did @Magnolia677 undo my edit?
 * Is my page still submitted?
 * It’s confusing so I’m just checking :) TY! Dcent0514 (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You submitted your draft, but it has been declined, as you can see in the message on your user talk page (and a message from the editor who undid your link, explaining why).
 * Wikipedia only hosts articles about subjects which meet its criteria for notability - which generally means that there is enough independent reliably published material about them to base an article on.
 * Your single source is not enough to establish that - and though it does appear to be reliable, and is partly independent of him, it seems to be pretty run of the mill coverage of an officer. What is it about him that makes him notable? ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Draft:Joseph_L._Centanni is still submitted, as you can see by the note at the top of the page RudolfRed (talk) 19:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Creating a page for someone I know
Hello,

I've been meaning to create a page for a scientist who passed away, who has been in Elsevier's most impactful scientists for four years in a row, and has diagnosed a disease that is listed on Wikipedia (this page is not in English unfortunately). Because I know this person and I am related to them, I've been hesitant to create their page on my own, because I read that it may be against the rules. Should I do this, or if possible, can I suggest that someone does this?

Thank you, Bahar Bhrsnr (talk) 20:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Thanks for disclosing your conflict of interest. Wikipedia established the Articles for Creation process that allows you to write a draft article that will be reviewed by experienced editors. Please understand that an acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes published reliable sources, so you need to "forget" or set aside anything you know about your relative. The notability guideline for academics is important. Your first article offers some useful advice. Cullen328 (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See also WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Issues of copyright?
Issues of copyright? Are all Wikipedia files copyrighted? I wish to use a portion of Wikipedia file in an application for a grant to support a film on the subject of the Wikipedia file. There are other non-Wikipedia writeups on the subject of Wikipedia's file, but the Wikipedia files is well researched and well written and I wish to use a good portion of it verbatim. Can I? HKB3HKB3 (talk) 01:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you asking about images or text? All text on Wikipedia is licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0 and can be reused for any purpose if you provide attribution.  See Text_of_the_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_4.0_International_License.  Most images are licensed similarly, although some are in the public domain free of copyright, and some are used under WP:NFCC and are not freely licensed.  You can click on any image you are interested in and it will show you the info for that image.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Explained in more detail at Reusing_Wikipedia_content RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , please be specific rather than vague. Which file? Some files on Wikipedia are in the public domain and can be used without any restrictions. Most files are copyrighted and then freely licensed under an acceptable Creative Commons license. Such files can be re-used for any purpose with the restriction that the creator of the file must be attributed. A minority of files are restricted by copyright, and are used only in accordance with Wikipedia's stringent policy on use of non free images. These are low resolution images of iconic photos, portraits of dead people, corporate logos, and book and music covers, film posters and the like, used for identification purposes. So, give us the specific file name and we will explain its status.


 * Also, please keep your section headers concise. Thank you. Cullen328 (talk) 01:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Shortened section header, as duplicated word-for-word in content. David notMD (talk) 04:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

db-spam|help=off - How to solve
I created a page for myself. I am newbie and trying to update some missing info. but i got this meesage. How can i solve it? Yagizyavuzyildiz (talk) 20:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You can click the blue button to contest the deletion. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Writing an article about yourself is not a good idea. WP:NBASKETBALL is also worth reading. Cullen328 (talk) 20:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I really appreciate your reply. I Clicked the blue button and provided why it should not be deleted.
 * I hope if you can check..
 * Best Regards, Yagizyavuzyildiz (talk) 21:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , you have not contested the speedy deletion. Perhaps you did not click "Publish changes". Did you read the links I provided? Cullen328 (talk) 01:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Yagiz Y. Yildiz and Draft:Yagiz Yildiz have both been Speedy Deleted for beng promotional. David notMD (talk) 04:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ...and User:Nuel Jr who worked on those pages has been indef'ed for WP:UPE. DMacks (talk) 06:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

How to rename my sandbox
i don't know how to rename my sandbox မမိုးသက်သဇင် (talk) 03:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Help page WP:MOVE has instructions for moving pages. Since you are not WP:autoconfirmed, meaning you do not yet have 10 edits and 4 days old account, you cannot move pages yet. You ask somebody else to move it at WP:Requested moves. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  06:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I just realized you have an account on Burmese Wikipedia. The procedures may be different for the Burmese language edition of Wikipedia. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  06:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

help with placing a figure
I am trying to add a figure at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Predatory_publishing&action=edit&section=9 , but it does not come up in the right place/size. Can someone more experiences fix this problem? Thank you in advance, Walter. Walter Tau (talk) 00:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You don't say what you do specifcally want, so we're somewhat guessing about what a "fix" would be. But for example, I did something. You had said "|thumb", which sends it to the left or right side and by default makes it smallish. You wanted it to be content itself, so it needs to be larger and ideally in the text flow itself. See Help:Pictures for details of the layout options. But editorially I think the image itself is not appropriate. If placed as an image that will fit on non-huge screens, it will be too small to read easily. If it's large enough to read, it will not fit on screens. And as a policy concern, is it a copyright-violating cut'n'paste from a non-free journal article? DMacks (talk) 00:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I double-checked the image source, and confirmed that it is not licensed compatibly with commons (it's the -NC variant of CC). So this issue about placing it is moot. DMacks (talk) 03:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Walter Tau: Textual content must not be images. Read MOS:TEXTASIMAGES. MOS:ACCIM has some more helpful tips on using images. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Subscription
I'd like to write an Article: should i Subscribe? Do I need to Pay? 151.37.114.48 (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I have just Signed Up. Rfeeeeeefmrreijngviuefalnkj (talk) 09:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * New editors are advised to learn the rules and guidelines of Wikipedia by working to improve existing articles before attempting to create a new article. When you are ready for the latter, see WP:YFA. David notMD (talk) 10:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Rfeeeeeefmrreijngviuefalnkj, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
 * I will echo what David said: many new editors expect that writing an article will be as easy as creating a page on social media, and have a frustrating time, because we have quite strict standards about verifiability and notability and other matters. I strongly advise that you do not even think about writing a new article until you have spent at least several weeks working on existing articles and understood some of our core principles.
 * You absolutely do not need to pay anybody. Many people choose to make donations to the Wikimedia Foundation (and many do not), but there is absolutely no connection between any donations and what happens to your edits: nobody editing Wikipedia has access to records of donations.
 * If you are contemplating paying somebody to make an article for you, I would advise: don't. Nobody offering such a service is in any way authorised by Wikipedia, and many of those offering are simply scammers. ColinFine (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If someone is asking you to pay to create an article, then it's a scam. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  10:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

"who wrote that?"
has been persistently failing for several days now FYI soibangla (talk) 23:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What? HiLo48 (talk) 23:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * They're referring to Who Wrote That?. DanCherek (talk) 23:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You should ask at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk. You might also want to check out WP:WIKIBLAME.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , Or more locally, at mw:Talk:Who Wrote That?. Mathglot (talk) 11:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

on acronyms
this might be the single stupidest question i've had to ask for the stupidest possible situation (probably editing a single letter in slapstick (disambiguation))and i'm honestly ready for the stupidest answer possible

is there something in any manual of style about whether certain acronyms that start with consonant sounds if pronounced like acronyms or vowel sounds if pronounced like words (or vice versa), like snes and lolk, should be written as if they were pronounced like acronyms or words?  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 20:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * It's not a stupid question. But it's not one to worry about. Just write it in the way that feels best you to you. There are people with strong views about such things; just relax and let them sort it out and possibly argue with each other about it. Maproom (talk) 20:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , for starters, the two buzzwords involved are acronyms, for the pronounceable ones, like NASA or UNICEF, and initialisms, for the ones you have to spell out, like, LGBT or SPQR. The way you should write them is a different question, and should match the way it is written in the majority of reliable, secondary sources in English. Mathglot (talk) 11:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Would like an article about me on wikipedia
I would like to be a part of Wikipedia, please suggest me, I wrote an article on myself, but it is on Speedily deletion. Please suggest me, how my name could be a part of Wikipedia.

Can my wife write an article on my self?

Can I include links of my organization and university, my youtube page in my article Shaharyar Sarkar Khan (talk) 12:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, please don't. You are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself, and you are prohibited to use Wikipedia for any form of promotion. Check out alternative outlets where you can write about yourself.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Really, no. If you are so famous that people with no connection to you know about you and have published about you in reputable places (newspapers, magazines, websites, etc.) then in time, perhaps, someone with no connection to you will create and submit a draft about you. At present, it appears that you are a film director for advertisements with a social media presence but no one is writing about you. Your Youtube page does not contribute to Wikipedia notability. David notMD (talk) 12:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Lyrics in article
Are lyrics allowed in song articles? I know a guide to line dancing songs such as Cha Cha Slide is not allowed as Wikipedia isn't a guide. Cwater1 (talk) 21:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Generally not, as they are copyrighted. More information is available at MOS:LYRICS and WP:LYRICS. Some portions can be used for analysis and illustrating specific points, but not the whole song. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I see, makes sense. We don't want to do something unauthorized. Thanks for the help. I was wondering. Cwater1 (talk) 22:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I can see a rare exception in the event that a particular line or verse takes on cultural significance. MinorRefiner (talk) 13:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Aragonese isn't spanish
The @ was first used in Aragon, in an aragonese text (the Taula de Ariza). Not in spanish, aragonese, yet it was discriminated against by JMF, who belives Aragonese to be a simple dialect of Spanish.

At sign this is the page where it is wrongly claimed the Taula de Ariza is spanish and here User talk:JJBBSS 02 is where JMF discriminates against Aragonese. JJBBSS 02 (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The current edition of the article appears to correctly identify the document as having been written in Aragonese. This appears to be a content dispute over the "has commonly been used in X,Y,Z", where is not suggesting that the terms are interchangeable but that Spanish deserves the weight in that sentence, which I'd concur with. Its not so much about leaving in Aragonese, but that leaving out Spanish would be an odd choice. -- D'n'B-t -- 09:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And the whole "Spanish Taula de Ariza" which isn't spanish? JJBBSS 02 (talk) 14:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone reading that far would think that 'Spanish' in that context was referring to the Spanish language. -- D'n'B-t -- 16:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Check my article
Hello. I am BeauSuzanne. I have recenty made an article but it was moved to draft. I was told that it's sources aren't good enough. Check someone check it Draft:Yasmeen Tahir.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 08:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC))


 * You can click "submit for review" for an WP:AFC reviewer to check your draft and decline or accept it into an article. Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  09:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Well I am going to click for review. But can you or someone can see the sources. I just need to be sure if it's good. I take sources from International English Pakistan News such as The Nation, Daily Times, ARY News, The News International and from Urdu news as well.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 09:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC))
 * @BeauSuzanne: If you are confident in your editing, then submit it for review. If you are not (which, from your comments above, you seem not to be), then don't and work on it a bit more. There is no WP:DEADLINE. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The paragraph about her grandparents' and parents' achivements does not belong in the section about her early life. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Indeed, the material about her parents and grandparents shouldn't be in the draft at all. You've given wikilinks to our articles about them: any reader who's interested can follow those links. Maproom (talk) 11:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I am confident about it. I am very sure about soruces I did alot of research but I will do some more just to make sure everything is right. And should I add like Family background something.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 16:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC))
 * Descriptions of parents' and grandparents' achievements do not belong int this article. Therefore, no need to reference that content. Enough that their names (and those of two of Yasmeen's children) link to existing articles. David notMD (talk) 17:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Seeking Advice from International Students in Art and Design in the UK
Hello, I am looking for international students studying art and design in the UK. I have some questions and would appreciate any help.

Please contact me

Thank you! Article Of The Day (talk) 17:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding a picture
How would I add my late fathers picture? Kathleen Fitz (talk) 21:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kathleen Fitz There are two steps in adding pictures to WIkipedia articles. The first is to upload the image to our sister project Wikimedia Commons and the second is to incorporate it into the article about your father. From a copyright point of view, it is important that you took the picture with your own camera, so you are entitled to license it as required. Follow the "wizard" at commons:Special:UploadWizard and return to this thread for help on the next stage. I assume that your father is Joseph T. Fitzpatrick and strictly speaking you have a conflict of interest in writing about him. I'll explain that on your Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

A suggestion
Should the people at Wikipedia make it so that if there's a film but it hasn't been released yet in a persons reigon, the plot should be hidden for them to avoid any spoilers? Al3xaSp3aker (talk) 21:20, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Al3xaSp3aker No, our guideline is explained at WP:Spoiler. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Parimatch company support
Parimatch company support 43.224.111.114 (talk) 20:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * If you have a question about using Wikipedia, please rephrase it more comprehensibly. -- Hoary (talk) 21:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Our article Parimatch does include the fact that the company went defunct in 2023, so support now seems unlikely. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Bible
the bible specificly states the James the Just was brother of Jesus/lord. James the less was Zebedees brother. James Zebedee dies long before james the just. Jude is also brother to this James the Just, he wrote te epistle to james in our bible. judas was brother to both james and the lord as stated by those mentioned at the church in mark 1. 2603:7080:BF3F:6BF:9CDC:8BEA:D1E0:68C6 (talk) 00:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing you would like to se a change made to a Wikipedia article. Most of our articles (not the more sensitive or controversial ones) CAN be edited by anyone. But all content must be supported by relibale sources. The Bible is not regarded as a reliable source. HiLo48 (talk) 00:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Bug with article preview
So I've been working on the article Downtown One without publishing it, and a few minutes ago I decided to release it. The problem is, the article preview shows a completely different article, which is List of tallest buildings in Albania. When I click on the preview, it still goes to the Downtown One article. I don't know if this is a common thing, but yeah. It's definitely odd. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 02:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That might be something to with Downtown One previously being a redirect to List of tallest buildings in Albania, though the redirect was delated back in Aug 2023. (I have no idea why that might be so - just a guess.) Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 03:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd report it, but the Phabricator login isn't working for some reason. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Nevermmind, I reported it at the Village Pump Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Alumnae
Another editor and I have a disagreement over at Wells College's talk page. There is a section on significant alums. the other editor wants them to have links supporting their significance; whereas I think that simply already having a Wikipedia entry is sufficient. What is the policy? Thanks. Kdammers (talk) 00:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That talk page does not exist. Is there a typo in the link? Bduke (talk) 00:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I left off the S on Wells.  I've added it. Kdammers (talk) 01:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Talk:Wells College. As Category:Wells College people already lists faculty and alumnae, unannotated lists would be pointless. I'd say that yes, each annotated entry should be referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Kdammers Please see WP:ALUMNI for the policy. Shantavira|feed me 08:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * But WP:ALUMNI is about articles about secondary schools, not tertiary ed. -- Hoary (talk) 11:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hoary: Does it specifically say that? I can only see "school" which also applies to colleges and universities in the US, and some teaching universities or colleges in the UK and elsewhere. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's part of WikiProject Schools/Article advice. Take a look at the very first paragraph of that page. (What's written elsewhere about tertiary education may for all I know be the same. Perhaps I should check, but I plead laziness.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Hoary: Thanks. I've heard "alumni" or "alumnae" (here in the UK) applied to universities and colleges (e.g. ); the more recent trend for secondary schools or their equivalent to use it is inconsistent and less common. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The alumni article is not clear on this point as far as I can understand it. Although it refers to secondary-education institutions, the advice in schools/article advice (note: not directive) includes this: " When alumni have their own articles in mainspace, it is not necessary for their notability to be referenced." so, it seems to me references are not needed for alumnae with Wikipedia articles.  I looked at a few schools (Lawrence University, Beloit College, Reed College), and saw that most of the alumni have refs for the first two but none for the third. Kdammers (talk) 03:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Could you please show me how to look at the deleted version of down-ball page?
Could you please show me how to look at the deleted version of down-ball page Rockycape (talk) 01:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't think you can. TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:ADMINs can see the deleted version. I can have a look it for you and possibly email the content to you. (Got a few things to do right now, but back in a few hours.) I might be a bit biased, though: I have fond memories of playing versions of that playground game in two different states. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 03:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * yes please - and thanks, rockycape Rockycape (talk) 04:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk page disclaimers about translation if content is removed
I'm currently rewriting an article that was originally a machine translation of another language Wikipedia. If I were to rewrite every single bit of text myself, which I feel I may have to because of quality concerns, would the talk page still require the disclaimer? It seems misleading to have that information on the talk page if the content has been removed. I'm also pondering whether WP:TNT would apply here given issues with machine translation and factual accuracy. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , can you link the article you are talking about? Mathglot (talk) 11:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Feline hyperthyroidism, admittedly there are far worse machine translations and I don't think deletion would occur. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , by "disclaimer", I assume you are talking about the translated page notice at Talk:Feline hyperthyroidism. The short answer is: yes, you can remove it if it no longer applies. Wikipedia has requirements for attribution of translated text based on Wikimedia's Terms of use (sec. 7c), but this applies to the edit summary preserved in the page history of the article page, not to the talk page. (This attribution requirement was satisfied in this edit.) The talk page notice is nice to have as an aid, but it is not required by the ToU (nor does it satisfy them). Therefore, if you were to rewrite the entire article, the talk page translated page notice would no longer be accurate, and therefore should be removed.
 * Note that if any of the content you add in your rewrite involves translation from German Wikipedia (or any other one) be sure to follow the policy at WP:CWW and apply the proper translation attribution statement in your edit summary. This is required per the Terms of use. I hope this answers your question. Mathglot (talk) 20:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that answers it all, thank you. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism
I am a member of the Water Positive Think Tank and have been involved in drafting the Wikipedia page about our Water Positive Initiative. To our surprise an individual made major modifications of the text, changing its page name, deleting sections regarding its history, changing its intended content and defining purpose. The inventors of the Water Positive Initiative were deleted along with their photos and volunteer members on the Water Positive Initiative (Water Positive Think Tank.

I spent all night trying to correct these changes but was surprised this morning to find the site blocked my phone IP address and put the site under vandalism protection. Furthermore, I received a response to my email of a threatening nature.

Please advise on the proper steps to take. It appears that the attempt of the corrector is to try to insert another organization within this initiative who are not the inventors of it. Greentn2 (talk) 13:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Greentn2 both of you are in the wrong here. I appreciate that you decided to contribute to Wikipedia, but if you are trying to promote an organization (in this case Water Positive Think Tank), then Wikipedia is not really the right platform. Wikipedia is firstly an encyclopedia.
 * If you are being paid to make these edits, then you are actually required to disclose that you receive compensation for editing.
 * You should talk with Techlang who reverted your edits. They are being harsh, but the core idea is what I said above, they thought you were just spamming content about Water Positive Think Tank (thinking it was vandalism). We like to call this process Bold Revert Discuss. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 13:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The Water Positive Think Tank is a volunteer group. We were not paid for contributing to Wikipedia nor does the organization have commercial interests. The purpose for our contribution was to provide information and accurate description of its history, objectives and goals. We felt that some current information was distorted, and I tried to make the proper corrections, but I am not very familiar with the most efficient way of correcting the document.  You may review the history of my input and make a determination which I will respect. I would like to bring to light that the mail sent to me by Techlang ended with a threat which was inappropriate and prompted me to reach out to Wikipedia as opposed to communicating with this individual directly. There are other actions taken by Techlang which you may judge for yourself and hopefully reverse them. Please examine it. If you are unable to see his letter to me, please inform me and I post it for your.  Thank you for your comments and advice. Greentn2 (talk) 15:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Greentn2: As far as I can tell, the article started off focusing on the concept of water positivity and you were the one who added the organisation. As you have a conflict of interest, I would have reverted you as well as some of the language used was promotional or otherwise inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Please disclose your relationship, preferably on your user page, and make edit requests on the article's talk page instead of directly adding the text into the article.That said, there was no reason for  to move the page, as it was fine before and the current title goes against the Manual of Style's guidelines. It would have been preferable for the two of you to have discussed the issue beforehand. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I undid the page-move and left a warning for Techlang about several of their behaviors. DMacks (talk) 13:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your clarification and comments. I am new to linked and though I have read much about it. I am still learning. Greentn2 (talk) 15:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

The article in question is Water positive. The dispute, evidenced by additions and subtractions, is how much if any information should be present about the Water Positive Think Tank, if any. At present - 5 July - is is a short section with no references. Other content also lacks references. David notMD (talk) 15:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Maproom removed all mention of WPTT. Reason given. I agree. David notMD (talk) 17:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello David. The initial article has been altered to such a degree that the mention of the Water Positive Think Tank in its current form appears out of context with the Water Positive. The previous context started with a chronological review of Water Positive, which did not include the Water Positive Think Tank.
 * “Water Positive” has been expanded to include the application of Non-conventional water resources, which affords the opportunity to revisit the issues of water safety, sustainability, and security in light of new water sources that can be added to industrial and some forms of domestic water use. This is a novel development ascribed to two individuals removed from the text. I think chronological relevance is essential, as is the mention of the evolution of the concept. I believe the Water Positive Think Tank is essential to that chronology (but should be revisited to ensure that its mention meets Wikipedia standards).
 * I will not participate in making comments on the document following the instructions of the Platform for “conflict of interest” as suggested.
 * David, I want to express my sincere gratitude to you and your team for the invaluable help and the much-appreciated clarifications you have provided. Your support is instrumental in ensuring the accuracy and timeliness of the information on the Water Positive page. I leave it to you, your team, and the community to decide the outcome of this page. Thanks again! Greentn2 (talk) 02:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your intervention. Your edits are clear, and we appreciate your input. Please understand my reason for decommercializing the page.
 * @Greentn2 Thank you for your understanding. Next time, we'll discuss changes beforehand. Techlang (talk) 05:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

faithful photographic reproduction of a three-dimensional, circa 1575, work of art (jewelery)
Is this considered Public Domain? 98.248.161.240 (talk) 03:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Chequers Ring 98.248.161.240 (talk) 03:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No. If you click on the photo the licensing information will be displayed. Shantavira|feed me 08:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm ignoring the matter of "Chequers Ring" and only attending to your first question. Unless the turning-into-a-photograph process is in the public domain (because the photo was first published more than X years ago, is by a photographer who died more than Y years ago, was explicitly donated to the public domain, etc), no. See c:Commons:When_to_use_the_PD-Art_tag. If you have follow-up questions, please ask them not here but instead at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 08:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

convertion of a redirect page to a normal Wikipedia page?
How to convert a redirect page to a normal page Neutralhappy (talk) 12:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Neutralhappy Which page do you want to change and why? Shantavira|feed me 13:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Because the redirect page's name is a suitable name for the topic. This is the page I would to get converted to a normal Wikipedia page.   Neutralhappy (talk) 13:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Neutralhappy. Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis) is already an article, not a redirect, so I'm not clear what you're asking for. ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Related pages are not appearing. Neutralhappy (talk) 13:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine I'm not sure what's going on here but this version was an article until User:Neutralhappy added a redirect template to the top in this latest edit. I'm going to revert that now. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It is possible that the article at Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis) should be listed among those on the DAB page Samastha but I leave that for others to determine. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia currently has two articles, Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama and Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis), about different organisations. Both are Sunni; neither article explains what "AP" means. Maproom (talk) 22:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Neutralhappy wanted to split Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama into two articles because the organization is split into two factions (they don't seem to have actually merged). They created the page Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis) for one faction and tried to change Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama to only discuss the other faction. It is unclear whether the two factions should have separate articles. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the related pages are not appearing. Will it take time? Neutralhappy (talk) 03:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "related pages appearing". What page links do you want to add to Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis), and where in the article do you want these links to be? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:37, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * At the bottom of the article, just like any other article that shows three related pages at the bottom part. Neutralhappy (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * by "related pages appearing", the user is referring to a standard feature on mobile view where if you scroll to the bottom of any normal long-standing article, there are links to a random set of three related pages that appear, and for some reason on this newly-created article, this feature doesn't appear. Left guide (talk) 09:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Now it appeared. And thus the problem got solved. Neutralhappy (talk) 09:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Should it made to a redirect page? If so how to create a new page? Neutralhappy (talk) 08:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Now its related pages began to appear. Neutralhappy (talk) 09:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Feedback on my first wiki page
Hi, I would like to request feedback on my first wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ZenSunflower/sandbox1 ZenSunflower (talk) 01:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Please stop spamming multiple pages with the same request. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

The sandbox content was Speedy deleted and User:ZenSunflower indefinitely blocked. And it was not Zen's "first wiki page", as editing history shows several Speedy deletions on other attempts. David notMD (talk) 10:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Starting a second draft
During the reviewing of my draft, can I start a second one if I saw a subject that possess no Wikipedia page? WikiPhil012 (talk) 01:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @WikiPhil012 you can create as much drafts as you'd like using the article wizard.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 01:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * (Certain restrictions apply). Folly Mox (talk)
 * You have created and submitted three drafts, all of which have been Declined once and two, twice. I recommend you focus on those before starting another. David notMD (talk) 10:36, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Attention
Recently I was edited short description of football player Emiliano Martinez of Argentina.But,later I was informed that those information that I added looked unprofessional.

I was die-hart football supporter.I added those information by analysing different journal and from my experiences. I was shocked and upset. Mirajul Hasan (talk) 09:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Mirajul Hasan, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately your knowledge and experience (like my knowledge and experience) is not relevant to a Wikipedia article, except in finding and selecting appropriate reliable sources to cite. All information in a Wikipedia article - especially one about a living person - must be available in a reliable published source. If you have a source for the information you want to add, cite it (see REFB). If you haven't, and it's your own opinion or experience, then I'm afraid it can't go in.
 * In particular, no Wikipedia article should ever make a subjective statement like "Regarded as one of the best goalkeepers in the world" in Wikipedia's voice. It can say "Joe Bloggs in XXX magazine described him as one of the best goalkeepers in the world", with a citation to the source; but a Wikipedia article should never make an evaluative claim like that. ColinFine (talk) 09:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Your edit had other problems. You placed your text before the hatnotes (  and  ). They belong at top. You duplicated the opening sentence. Your edit summary said "Short Description" but that's not what you edited. You used VisualEditor which has a "Short description" box at the top. It's not a heading for the following text. It's a button you can click to change the short description "Argentine footballer (born 1992)". The post at User talk:Mirajul Hasan said "did not appear constructive". I disagree with that. You did some things wrong and it was right to revert the edit but it looked like good faith mistakes by a beginner and not what we normally call unconstructive. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Awards nominations count
Hi,

Regarding the award list articles, I need clarification on how the nomination count is calculated. Suppose an actor received 7 nominations, of which 3 are wins. Is the total count of nominations 7 or 4? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 02:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Anoopspeaks: that would be a total of 7 nominations. A nom is a nom, whether it results in a win or not. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No. Template:Infobox awards list says: "nominations | The total number of nominations, not including those won." PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter: thanks. I knew I should have checked and not just assumed. :)
 * I'm off back to school! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter,DoubleGrazing Ok, so what about award list articles like this Filmfare Award for Best Actress – Telugu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anoopspeaks (talk • contribs)
 * That's different. When discussing "most nominations" it should always include wins. Wins are often excluded when both wins and nominations are mentioned in the same place, and nominations are not compared to other nominees. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Original author of article. HELP. What do I do?
My AfC (Draft:Hailey Welch) was declined because Haliey Welch, was already in the mainspace. This prompted me to look into edit history of Haliey Welch, and the edit history shows it was created 15 minutes after my draft was submitted and created. I created the article first and the edit history shows the user who published Haliey Welch, to mainspace did so 15 minutes after I created Draft:Hailey Welch and submitted to AfC.

This morning the page Haliey Welch, still seemed to be a very closely paraphrased version of my article submission, but has now been changed. I spent a lot of time and care on creating the article draft, and am the original author, so I'm asking for some assistance and guidance here

There is an AfD for Haliey Welch, and this situation is a bit frustrating, but I feel my copy was written in a more encyclopedic way than the paraphrased second version the user published in the mainspace. Just looking for justice and credit here.

Hope this makes sense. Thanks to anyone who can provide insight :/ Comintell (talk) 23:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Looking at the initial state of your draft compared to the initial state of the article by, they don't seem particularly similar apart from being about the same subject. It doesn't seem like your draft was closely paraphrased, but rather that you got caught up in a very unfortunate timing situation. Others may have different opinions.Courtesy link to the AfD. I note this is also at ANI., you must feel very frustrated right now, and I'm sorry about that. I've twice had article sections I massively expanded WP:SPLIT to daughter articles for which another editor got initial authorship credit. For me, it didn't feel like a big deal. There's no glory here.I don't really have advice, except that you've brought this to enough fora. It's always possible the AfD will close as delete. Best, Folly Mox (talk) 00:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's demotivating to volunteer editors, if they created an article first, and spent time making sure it was well crafted, to disregard their work and allow a draft that was submitted after theirs, on the same subject, by a different editor, to be approved. Does that make sense? Comintell (talk) 03:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , it makes sense to me, and I'm sure I would be disappointed (at least), frustrated, and maybe worse. Those are all human reactions. It would be bad to make a decision based on those emotions, though, especially if anger is in the mix there, somewhere. It's an unfortunate situation, but it sounds like you are here for the right reasons, and I'd hate to lose you as an editor, just because of this one event.
 * Why not let the emotions of the moment subside for a few days, and either work on something else here, or even just take a short wikibreak, and go out and hit a few tennis balls, or whatever you enjoy doing; then come back when the dust has settled. It's all about improving the encyclopedia, right, so if the other editor did a good job, then in the end that's a good thing, isn't it? If you believe your draft has content that is worthwhile, and is not covered in the article written by the other editor, then feel free to merge or copy your stuff into the existing article (with citations to reliable sources, of course). Normally, if you copy stuff from one article to another, you would have to attribute it in the edit summary, but if you copy stuff you yourself wrote, you don't have to do that.
 * So, take a break from that draft, and then see how it goes in a few days. Feel free to hit me up on my talk page, if you want more encouragement, or ideas. I really hope this helps. Mathglot (talk) 05:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , I certainly understand the demotivation and frustration. If we take at his word (WP:AGF), he created an article on the same topic as you did at the same time as you did, without awareness that you had been hard at work on a draft of the same thing. The article Haliey Welch was created directly in mainspace, so no one from AFC approved his version to "jump the queue" over yours. AFC is optional for all but the newest editors.Since it seems that you and BullDawg2021 were unknowingly racing one another to finish this article, one of you was bound for disappointment and work wasted. It's really unfortunate this happened, but no one caused it to happen.I'm sorry you're feeling demotivated and I hope you'll continue to stick around, even if you feel like you need a bit of a break right now. Folly Mox (talk) 15:51, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Can I create a draft on a subject that someone else already submitted to AfC?
Lets say someone creates a page about a fisher named "John Smith" and submits it to AfC, and it either gets declined or is un reviewed. Am I allowed to create "John Smith (Fisher)" about the same subject, and submit it through AfC as long as the article content is different? Comintell (talk) 04:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , one thing to know to start out, is that a "decline" is not the end of the road for a Draft; you can improve the draft, and submit it again. And if it hasn't been submitted (or even if it has) you can still keep on improving it; nothing is stopping you from doing so.
 * Another thing is that Wikipedia is above all a *collaborative* volunteer effort to build an online encyclopedia. One consequence of that, is that nobody owns any page anywhere on Wikipedia (not even your own User page, although by convention you get a lot of latitude to set it up the way you like). So you have the same right to work on the draft as its creator or anybody else.
 * So, rather than create a second draft on the same topic, which might be considered a WP:POVFORK—something that is frowned upon—why not just improve the existing draft? As a courtesy, if there has been only one editor active at the Draft so far, you could start a new discussion on their Talk page, mentioning that you have some ideas that might revive the Draft and get it approved, and see how they respond. This isn't required, per WP:OWN, but is a nice, collegial gesture showing your respect for their efforts thus far. If you don't hear back within a decent interval (a few days to a week should be plenty), then just go ahead and start improving the draft on your own. Maybe they will come back, and you can both improve it together. How does that sound? Mathglot (talk) 05:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I asked hypothetically, because this happened to me: Draft:Hailey Welch Comintell (talk) 05:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I thought the the substantial similarities between my draft and the draft that got accepted thru afc which came after (my draft) possibly suggested that the second article/draft (Haliey Welch) may have copied content from my draft without the editor making significant original contribution or proper attribution. Comintell (talk) 05:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , if that is the case, that would be a violation of our Terms of use. First, assume good faith; then, what I would do in that case, is to let some uninvolved editors look at it by raising a discussion about this at WT:CWW. Give them the links, ask for feedback, and see what they think. It could be that the other editor might have to repair the missing attribution, if it is determined that they essentially copied your content. Mathglot (talk) 06:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I mentioned this in the thread above, but in case it's missed: Haliey Welch was not approved through AFC. It was created directly in mainspace. Folly Mox (talk) 16:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Comintell Setting aside the discussion about copying, any number of drafts about a topic may be created within our rules. Only one (if any) will be accepted. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , I suggest that you stop quibbling in multiple forums about who was the first to write about this dubious WP:BLP1E topic. If you really believe that this topic is notable, then improve the existing article and explain at AfD why it should be kept. You do not get any brownie points or social capital for being the first to write about a sleazy topic of dubious notability. Do the work to show notability instead of complaining so much. Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Comintell Having answered the technical question, I have looked at both the draft and the current article. I would have declined the draft and have suggested deletion or draftification of the article at the AfD. I have made a firm suggestion there thsat interested editors work together, collegially.
 * Reinforcing Cullen328's message, no-one gets brownie points for being first. This is a collaborative project. Please collaborate. This is not a battleground This is an encyclopaedia. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you guys for the advice. @Cullen328 and FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk Comintell (talk) 06:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft Problem
During the making of my draft, a text has appeared saying: Preview warning: Page using Template:Infobox national football team with unknown parameter "Home stadium" while I was making an infobox. A message like this has appeared several times. I don't understand why this is happening. WikiPhil012 (talk) 18:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * , parameter names are case sensitive. According to the template documentation, you'll be wanting to use Home Stadium rather than Home stadium (although someone should probably just alias them in the template code). Folly Mox (talk) 19:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I had difficulty guessing myself. WikiPhil012 (talk) 19:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Nereidagarciaferraz draft declined for lack of reliable sources
I have been trying to publish this article about artist Nereida Garcia Ferraz and its been declined for lack of reliable sources.

Whenever available online, I have added notes at the end of the sentence. Sometimes 2 or 3.

I had a huge list of exhibitions but because of the year they took place there is not information online so I removed those. I have added references and cites from online sources other that her own website but they seem not to be sufficient. Can you help me understand what else I can do?

Thanks!

Draft:Nereida Garcia Ferraz Bzbustamante (talk) 14:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Sources do not have to be online, a hyperlink is useful, but not essential. Paper sources (books, magazines, newspapers, etc.) are perfectly admissible provided that the appropriate bibliographical details are given, since nearly all such sources will be held in libraries or archives somewhere. These can often be obtained by inter-library loans, or in extremis can be consulted by visiting the appropriate archive, etc.
 * See Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources#Examples. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 15:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I wonder if references from online Books reviews when the artist is referenced like this: https://upf.com/book.asp?id=9781683404026 or from Google Books such as this one will be enough?: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Latinx_Photography_in_the_United_States/6a4WEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=nereida+garcia+ferraz&pg=PA109&printsec=frontcover
 * Thank you in advanced,
 * Beatriz Bzbustamante (talk) 18:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Bzbustamante, your first suggested source is not a book review; it's instead the page about the book by its publisher, the University of Florida Press. It is not disinterested, and can only be used for limited purposes. It does include blurbs written by others. Such blurbs are not usable. Yes, it's possible that a blurb is extracted from a book review; if so, cite the book review. Your second suggested source is a reproduction at Google Books of part -- or conceivably even all (I haven't checked) -- of a book. Cite the book; in the reference, you may also provide the link to the reproduction at Google Books. -- Hoary (talk) 22:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

why Columbia is considered as female personification
why Columbia is considered as female personification? Does this from the antient Myths and legends？ while I read that "Columbia is usually depicted unaccompanied and as a goddess-like human. ""carrying telegraph lines across the Western frontier to fulfill manifest destiny.", I both think of myself story. There is unhuman creature inside me, it keep on telling lies, and tell me that it will make me to be the goddness-like human, and it persecute me to be lonely,so i read the "unaccompanied""manifest destiny",sensible. 蔡菲 (talk) 03:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * the Teahouse is for asking questions related to editing Wikipedia. Try the reference desk for general knowledge questions like this.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 03:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I find its so many rule in Wikipedia. I publish in "talk", they told me talk is for improvement discuss.and block my account in Chinese wiki. I publish in Teahouse, you tell me its for editing wikipedia.
 * I think I should not publish anything in Wiki. 蔡菲 (talk) 03:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think there may be some confusion here. Talk pages are not forums about articles' subjects and are instead for discussing improvements to articles. You were blocked on zhwiki per WP:NOTHERE and using talk pages as forums, and there's nothing we can do about that here.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 03:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I need help
Tonia Woodson has been hurting her daughter for some time. Trafficking her with her boyfriend Marty. Her daughter is now living with an older man over 21. He is trafficking her due to Marty can you please help us find her 64.127.222.3 (talk) 02:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sounds as if you should explain the matter to a citizens' advice bureau. But you're at the wrong place: this is an encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 04:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

How to alphabetize a list of people where some of them go by nicknames?
The List of first ladies of the United States isn't sorted by last name, even though I've seen more lists of people be sorted by last name. I was going to sort the list like that, but then I ran into a problem. Some of the people go by nicknames, which is referenced in article like this: Firstname "Nickname" Lastname. Should I sort by the first name, or by the nickname given? CitationsFreak (talk) 05:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Alphabetical sorting of people is usually by last name in other contexts (MOS:LISTSORT and WP:DEFAULTSORT). In that case, the only time a first-name or nick-name would be relevant is if the last-name is the same. I do not see any such cases involving nick-named people on that list. DMacks (talk) 05:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is such an issue with "Eliza Johnson" and "Claudia 'Lady Bird' Johnson". CitationsFreak (talk) 05:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Good find! I'd defer to our WP article itself, which is (presumably) based on various WP guidelines. The page is Lady Bird Johnson, the first sentence is arranged as [first "nick" last], and the defaultsort key is "Johnson, Lady Bird". So in this other context I would write [first "nick" last] an sort by the nick rather than the first. Given that's the only(?) example and it's just two names, worst case is that readers see one pair in an unexpected order but can still easily see them both and find the one they want. DMacks (talk) 06:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Got it. I'll sort by nicknames in these cases, with a note explaining that fact. CitationsFreak (talk) 06:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

England 2024
Hi I just wanted to add that England won the 2024 euros after beating Switzerland, Netherlands and then Spain in the final, but it keeps getting reverted, why is this. 68.189.2.14 (talk) 21:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You're asking about what's said in one or more articles. Each article has a "talk page", reached by going to the article and there clicking "Talk". Make your question/request/complaint on the relevant talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That would be because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and because talk pages are for discussion on how to improve the attached article and not, in this specific example, for speculation on who will win the Euros. <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?  22:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * England won the Euros beating Spain in a thriller, Albärttold me. That's not speculation that's a first hand source. He's already been telling multiple people that England already won. 68.189.2.14 (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Your fantasies interest nobody here. You're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 23:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Funny because Wikipedia is filled with fantasies, and inept people like yourself. No wonder you can only contribute to obscure photography articles, that seems fitting for a feeble-minded dunce like yourself. Enjoy your stupidity while it lasts.68.189.2.14 (talk) 08:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Add Shi Ping to the record of oldest verified people Wiki Page.
A week or so ago, China's oldest man Shi Ping has passed away and he was at 112 years 241 days old and surprisingly at the List of the verified oldest people he is not listed there. Can some user add him since I am not an autoconfirmed user? I do however have proof of his death and age right here- https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Shi_Ping TAD1993 (talk) 03:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * TAD1993, Fandom is not taken seriously. If you have more authoritative evidence for this, then present it with your request at the foot of Talk:List of the verified oldest people. -- Hoary (talk) 04:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The article of Shi Ping already has a reference. - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 09:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Nicholas Omonuk
Hello i request for support on my page. I have more references about the subject Draft:Nicholas Omonuk Clare Nassanga (talk) 09:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Clare Nassanga you asked the same question at the AfC help desk. Please see the responses you recieved there.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 10:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Declined five times and then Rejected as clearly being a non-famous climate activist does not make him Wikipedia-notable. Rejected means do not try again. If you persist, there is a risk that your account will be indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 11:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent updates on political figures and positions
There needs to be some updates on new information at the article Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and another British political positions as well as political figures can someone be kind enough to add some new information on these new articles and expand them and update them as quickly as possible? in Prime Minister of the United Kingdom article you have to expand the authority powers and constraints section of the article and needs to add legislative powers executive powers of government policy and term limits. These are the topics that need some updates and new information. Can somebody do this? Altonydean (talk) 09:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

129 KB (14,062 words) - 23:04, 5 July 2024 2600:1016:B04C:17E5:0:29:CFCA:5E01 (talk) 09:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry? Altonydean (talk) 10:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ignoring the IP entry, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has thousands of viewers every day, and hundreds of watchers who look at recent changes. Also, since the election results there have been many, many edits - presumably updates. In general, Teahouse Hosts are generalists - here to advise, but not to address requests for article changes. Either attempt to make changes yourself, or ask on the Talk page of the article(s). David notMD (talk) 11:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the inconvenience caused by this error. Altonydean (talk) 12:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

renaming a draft
Hi!! While working on a draft I realized that the sources available weren't enough to qualify for the making of it or not notable, therefore, I decided to rename that draft and write about something else on it since not much work has been done. Does anyone know how can I do that? Thanks, xx feni    (tellmehi)   13:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. The specific title of a draft isn't particularly important. If you submit it for review and it is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title within the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 13:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you want to retitle it nevertheless, you use the "move" function which can be found in the Tools drop down menu(if you are using the default skin it's in the top right corner) 331dot (talk) 13:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Isoko people
Can someone please adjudicate my edit, followed by a revert, to Isoko people. I don't want to get into an editor war. Also, is there a policy prohibiting or allowing redlinks in lists of notable people? Thank you 76.14.122.5 (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Pinging @Trulyy. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Redlinks are typically not appropriate for lists of notable people, since one common and easy way of verifying that soeone is "notable" is by having an article about them. Sometimes they are allowed if there is is a strong enough reference that supports a claim of presumed notability (that is, someone could easily write a viable article to make it a bluelink) and also that they are actually a member of the group. Write the article first is indeed a good pointer. DMacks (talk) 04:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 13:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Alongside5 not working?
Hello, can someone help me figure out why parameter alongside5 isn't working on this page James B. Ricaud for infobox officeholder? --Engineerchange (talk) 10:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Engineerchange.  is only displayed if   is set. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Not sure how I missed that. Thanks! --Engineerchange (talk) 14:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Book jackets
Quick question, if I may: how does Wikipedia stand on including book jacket images in articles about books, please? Is it acceptable to use the ones on sites like Amazon, which are in the public domain? ArthurTheGardener (talk) 14:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The ones on Amazon are not public domain,, and their copyright likely belongs to the publisher. Almost everything on the Internet (or offline for that matter)—with few exceptions (copyright expiration due to age, work of a government employee as part of their official duties)—is copyrighted unless explicitly stated otherwise. Use of all copyrighted material must follow our guidelines for non-free content. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If this is about User:ArthurTheGardener/sandbox, my suggestion is to not even worry about images until you have an article in articlespace, after which you can add the book cover per the non-free content criteria (NFCC). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding so quickly: I appreciate your reply. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 15:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources on James A. Evans
James A. Evans has sources from Ancestry.com and Find a grave. I'm wondering why that is OK if those sites are unreliable according to Reliable sources

FunFactsFanatic (talk) 14:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @FunFactsFanatic welcome to Wikipedia :) It seems that the author of the page used Ancestry.com (which, as you say, is generally considered unreliable as it contains user-generated content) to access reliable sources such as the 1880 US census, or the Colorado City Directory. In this case, I would advise against removing those sources or tagging them as unreliable, unless you have a clear reason to do so. The "Find a Grave" source is redundant, as all the information is already in the official burial register index, I therefore removed it. Broc (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Broc Thanks. Are these primary or secondary sources? 1880 US census, Colorado City Directory, Michigan Marriage Records. I was thinking those were primary sources and secondary sources are preferred. Is that correct? FunFactsFanatic (talk) 15:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @FunFactsFanatic you're correct, it seems those are mostly primary sources. Secondary sources are preferred, but primary sources can be used in some circumstances, which are detailed at WP:PRIMARY. If you have better sources at hand, feel free to add them to the page! Broc (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

01:27, 7 July 2024 review of submission by 82.173.160.29
Landslides are a fascinating subject and Wikipedia even has a long list of landslides, but it seems that if there's no English text available, the landslide in question is considered to not have happened, eg. ignored by scientists.

I just spent several hours to translate

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordskredet_vid_Stenungsundsmotet

into

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Landslide_at_Stenungsund_junction&action=history

and I added 15 references, but sure enough, in stead of helping me to turn my draft into something worth publishing, somebody is trying to put my work on fire.

Who can please help to get this translation job finished? Help is not we destroy your work, so you can start all over again or Bring a lawyer to defend your attempt at helping Wikipedia I give up here 82.173.160.29 (talk) 01:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi IP editor! I don't see anyone trying to "put your work on fire" - one editor did remove a stray weblink, but then promptly reverted themselves. All 15 references seem to still be there. Your draft has been declined for not having suitable references - is that what's upsetting you? If that's not it, could you try explaining to us?
 * Could I also very strongly suggest you not consider bringing lawyers into the process - we take legal threats very seriously, and you may be blocked if you say that you are intending to consult a lawyer over the matter. Using this page will be a much faster and more effective strategy to get your draft published, if you can find good sources! The sources can be online or offline, and can be in any language, but please keep in mind that English Wikipedia has some of the strictest referencing requirements to prove something is notable. If you are unsure about why your references were not considered suitable, I would be happy to go through them with you. Drmies is a very experienced reviewer, so there will be a reason the draft was declined this time. If you implement their feedback, your draft may well be approved next time. StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, StartGrammarTime! Please allow me to clarify that "Bring a lawyer" was not to be taken literally. This was rather a sarcastic joke, as to express my frustration that several hours of work are just swiped off the table, for reasons I don't understand. Please read my defense below, written after a short night of sleep.
 * It is not like quick clay landslides are a minor issue in Norway and Sweden. Such landslides have caused disasters in the past, claiming dozens of lives. Stenungsund had a narrow escape here, with no fatal victims. If the landslide would have pushed a little further, it would have taken down houses with sleeping inhabitants in them. The question about what caused the landslide is halfway being answered, but further research may cause the Stenungsund landslide to be in the Swedish newspapers again, maybe a couple of times.
 * One should also consider that E6 motorway is the main connection between Norway and Sweden. It's like you cut off I95 on the American east coast. The Swedish king would not have showed up at the reopening of a local village road. To claim that the cutting off of such an important road, with a detour that lasted almost 9 months and caused a great disturbance in local villages, would be just quoting your local village newspaper is a thing that I fail to understand.
 * Please beware that questions about how long this E6 motorway will last until the next landslide strikes are still open; There seems to be on ongoing minor scandal about missing geological research that should have been performed before even building the E6 motorway. Many sources are in Swedish. It could have been easy to swamp this article with 20 more references, from newspapers that do have serious reputations inside Sweden, but I deliberately chose to quote mostly English language sources, with an exception for Swedish if that source had pictures of video that is very telling for the story.
 * This landslide may not have been in The Guardian in London, or in The Washington Post, but it was noticed by CNN, also an American news chain with a reputation. If making it into The Guardian in London, or into The Washington Post were to be the criteria for being a notable event, we could delete half of the articles in Wikipedia. I think I have even seen an article in Wikipedia's policy, that we should all work together to avoid that Wikipedia becomes a project with a perspective centered around one single country, as Wikipedia is a worldwide project. This is what I find so valuable about Wikipedia: Here I am, living my life in Europe, but whenever I am curious enough to look something up that is far outside my daily life, Wikipedia is the treasury that has it all, even if many articles seem not very notable to me.
 * I don't understand what is expected from me. I will definitely not invest more time in an article that gets refused anyway. I still think that I have laid the foundations for an article that needs some editing and has the potential to meet all of Wikipedia's criteria, but I have a life outside of Wikipedia and will not waste any more energy. Wikipedia is said to be a community project, but all that I see happening is people being strongly discouraged to move a finger to contribute, because there will always be some editor, well respected within his or her own small circle, to take down any effort to contribute. If they cannot find valid reasons to do that, they will lure you into an edit war and ban you from Wikipedia, as if that would make me cry. If you feel like it, go ahead and ban my IP for life, in all languages that I have edited in. It would save me tons of time!
 * Hereby I will put my "baby" in a crib and let the river decide if the baby will float or drown. Anyone feeling tempted to edit my article about the landslide at Stenungsund junction, please go ahead. I don't care if my IP is registered to reflect the time I invested. I would just be delighted if this article would get it's translation from Swedish into English, in any sort of form. You might even argue that an English version could be much shorter than what I had written so far, because some details are not as relevant to the outside world, as they are for people in Sweden. That does not mean that one could convince me that a quick clay landslide that has been a revolving issue in Swedish newspapers over the last 8½ months is not an event notable enough to be mentioned on Wikipedia in some form. There is a red link in the list of landslides on Wikipedia. I hope somebody will make that link turn blue! 82.173.160.29 (talk) 09:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have some somewhat good news for you. Immediately upon searching for some sources, I notice that this article could be expanded. There was an investigation into the causes of it, which found that ...the landslide had been triggered by a nearby construction site where too much excavated material had been piled up, putting excessive strain on the ground below.
 * This lead to criminal charges against three people. This could definitely expand the article, and can lead to further sources later down the line when the case against them concludes.
 * To actually get back into the swing of things on Wikipedia and push myself to work on cutting down my to-do list, I'll help you to improve the article. <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?  12:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you/tack så mycke, Commissar Doggo! :-) Your contirbution to my draft article is the sort of help I was hoping for. I was aware about a criminal investigation going on, but my knowledge of Swedish language is rather passive. I do agree that this needs further research. I just wonder whenever this article is ready enough to romove it's draft-status. Am I the only one who can request publishing? I feel that not being logged in triggers a defautl "I don't trust IP users"-like reaction. What should I do next? 82.173.160.29 (talk) 13:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You aren't the only one who can request publishing. I could just as easily request it now, however that's not going to happen as it's not quite ready, but with improvements and extended coverage it can definitely turn out alright.
 * As for IP users, while some people do show animosity towards IP/new users at times, IP users are people too and the large majority of users don't bite the newcomers.
 * That being said there are numerous benefits to making an account, which can be found here. It's entirely personal choice. <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?  14:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your help, CommissarDoggo! To avoid any edit conflicts, let me take a step back and wait and see what your good work can do to improve my draft article. You are definitely heading into the right direction! I wonder what more you are hiding in your sleeve.
 * You've asked for a citation. Let me admit that I have been a bit lazy in translating the Swedish article, assuming that they had checked their information. Well, assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups, so we may need to double check what the Swedish author has written.
 * Please take a look at this weblink that refers to an article in Göteborgs Posten, titled Skredet på E6 varade i nästan en minut (https://www.gp.se/1.110855805), which I would translate as Landslide on E6 lasted almost 1 minute (without checking any dictionary)
 * Now closely watch what happens if we go back to that same article: Göteborgs Posten has updated their article and the claim that the landslide lasted one minute can no longer be covered with the reference in the Swedish article. I would assume that this error was made in good faith.
 * I have just sent an e-mail to the Swedish National Seismic Network at the University of Uppsala, with a request for access to the seismic data of the Tjörn measuring station for the 23rd of September 2023. I just hope that nobody will claim that I did not try to get my facts straight! ;-)
 * One last question to CommissarDoggo: Can I assume that you don't read Swedish? Do you know if it's possible to create language links between the original article in Swedish called Jordskredet vid Stenungsundsmotet and the draft article that we are now working on? Or is that too soon? 82.173.160.29 (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hopefully that request is well received, it'd be good to have a citation. You're correct to assume I don't know a lick of Swedish, and I'm fairly certain that you cannot link two articles until they're both out of the draft stage; if I'm wrong on that, anyone can feel free to correct me. That being said, I have introduced interlanguage links to several pages on the draft.
 * I'd advise that we move any further communication to the draft talk page. Oh, and feel free to add any improvements you want, I'm going to be putting this down for the time being and will likely return to it either later tonight or tomorrow. <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?  15:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Landslide at Stenungsund junction has been declined once, which is not the end of the world (not even locally). If you intend to abandon the draft, do so. Drafts with no progess being made are deleted at six months. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Please clarify
I found both Category:Wikipedia pages needing cleanup and Category:Articles needing cleanup. Both are sorted by month. I thought it was possible that the first one contained all pages, and the second one contained only articles, but this does not appear correct as both contain almost entirely articles. Please clarify why these two separate category systems exist. 2601:644:9083:5730:240E:C260:4C41:7F43 (talk) 06:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I suspect that it's likely that there are, at this time, just no other types of pages that have been marked as needing cleanup for the former category. 331dot (talk) 07:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Their histories show that created both. So if you're really interested in their respective purposes, you could ask him. -- Hoary (talk) 08:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please clarify. 2601:644:9083:5730:F555:D1EC:BA1A:3DFF (talk) 16:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Generating citations
Hello! In the visual editor, you can paste in a URL and it will make a citation for you. Is it possible to do this in source editing mode? Wafflewombat (talk) 18:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes by clicking on "Cite" then "Templates". However, regardless if you input the information in either editor mode (visual or source), make sure that all necessary information are there of what was entered and/or automatically generated. Soafy234 (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Removing Talk Page Comments
The Bobbie R. Allen Talk Page contains rude comments, and I would like to either delete them or archive them and not create an uproar by the writer. Can I get some help on this? Wdallen49 (talk) 13:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Wdallen49 is this about 's comments at Talk:Bobbie R. Allen? Per WP:TPO, you are not allowed to remove or alter others' comments, unless it is a personal attack or purely disruptive, which their comments were not.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 13:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Those comments seem pretty tame. No comment on the notability of the subject or which sources contribute to establishing that, but the citation style of that article is... I hesitate to use the word, but I'm off to fix it I guess. Folly Mox (talk) 16:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait hang on how many of these sources are primary materials that have been uploaded to Commons? This is weird. Folly Mox (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , are c:File:Natl Aircraft Accident Investigation School Photos, 1963 - 1965.pdf et seq really your ? I accept that you're a family member of the subject per your declared COI (thank you), and that you probably have these materials in your possession physically, but that's not how copyright attribution works. Folly Mox (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Three family photos deleted for claim as "Own work". David notMD (talk) 16:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @David notMD@Folly Mox He created his own BLP. Almost all the edits are his. This is not acceptable.  Doug Weller  talk 18:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's clear that a lot of rather serious research went into this article, but Wikipedia really isn't the proper venue to publish it. Sources like c:File:Cold Cat Shot Photo Sequence, Bobbie R. Allen, 1953.pdf, c:File:Bobbie R. Allen, Travel - Passports.pdf, File:Cdr Bobbie R. Allen, Commanding Officer, VS-721, Berlin Crisis 1962.pdf, this official letter from the Pentagon hosted at google drive, etc: these are obviously difficult to obtain sources that could really help inform a biography of this subject, but none of them can be used as sources for a Wikipedia article., have you considered submitting this for publication somewhere? Alternatively, have you considered Wikibooks? Sources for Wikipedia articles need to have been published somewhere already. The applicable policy is No original research. Folly Mox (talk) 19:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Folly Mox, Would you have time and interest in helping to improve this article further? I see you've made quite a few fixes, and I am happy to support if you're interested. Wdallen49 (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * A good deal of the information was obtained from Mr. Allen's Civil Service Records. All military photos were generated by the U.S. Navy and were in Mr. Allen's possession when he passed. Wdallen49 (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Folly Mox These photos were in my father's possession when he passed away in 1972. I uploaded them to Wikimedia and of the options presented when uploaded, the option of "Own work" seemed to be the most plausible. Wdallen49 (talk) 20:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * . I'm not sure how much of the Commons material is properly licensed, but most of it appears to be pd-usgov. I am real bad at copyright so that could probably use a double check.As foretold, I did fix the raw url citations to files uploaded to Commons and to here. Removed citations to entirely unsuitable sources. Added Template:Primary sources, which along with MOS issues is probably the biggest remaining problem. I didn't verify any claims.This concludes my accountability. Folly Mox (talk) 02:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh no just kidding I missed several citations to Wikimedia uploads formatted in cs1 templates 💀 Maybe later, Folly Mox (talk) 03:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Follow ups are here and here. Folly Mox (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Article page
In keeping with a previous question regarding creating the article on Saddle tramp and redirecting the current page saddle tramp (disambiguation) to a header link on that page; I am wondering how to go about this correctly. Making the newly creating article the main page and making the formerly disambiguation page a link from the header. I hope I'm explaining it correctly. Thanks in advance. Maineartists (talk) 20:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Maineartists, it's not a straightforward move. What I understand you want to do is move Saddle tramp to Saddle tramp (disambiguation), and your sandbox to Saddle tramp. This can only be performed by page movers as existing redirects need to be deleted. I suggest you post your request at Requested moves. Please make sure that the page you want to create (currently in your sandbox) fulfills notability criteria, especially WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Hope this helps. Broc (talk) 21:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Broc. I am confident that it meets notability and is not WP:ND. That being said, just how does one request a move when the page is still in Sandbox format and not a published article? Should I publish under a different title and then request? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 21:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Maineartists WP:RM/TR can also deal with cross-namespace move requests. I would ask there directly. Broc (talk) 21:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 22:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

How may I create an article?
This may come off as stupid, but how can I create one? Cyb3rstarzzz (talk) 14:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Cyb3rstarzzz, reading WP:Your First Article should teach you all you need to know to get started. 👍 Ca <sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">talk to me!  14:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Users of all experience levels--beginner like you or veteran like me--are encouraged to use the Articles for Creation (AFC) process, which also provides the Article Wizard to start things off. If you need help with sources, talk to someone with WP:Library access (me included) or at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, and they'll help you out. Also, what Ca linked to earlier on. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What is the notable (lots of secondary sources) subject that you wish to write about? 98.248.161.240 (talk) 03:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cyb3rstarzzz See Lorem ipsum, a popular "fake latin" text that is quite popularly used in English writing. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, Cyb3rstarzzz! To create an article, you first need to find a title for the article, which none of the existing articles has. There are two ways to do this:


 * 1) Find a red link somewhere on Wikipedia, it might look something like this: Green-footed duck. Then click on it.
 * 2) If you can't find the red link you need, you can come up with an article title that isn't currently used for any articles and type it directly into your browser's address bar like this:
 * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<Title of your article>
 * For example, the address of the current web page is
 * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse
 * and let's say you want to create an article "Green-footed duck". Then you erase "Wikipedia:Teahouse" and type "Green-footed duck" instead, resulting in
 * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green-footed duck
 * Then hit the Enter key.
 * Then, if an article with that title has not yet been created by other users, a message will appear: Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name, and under this message there will be a link: Start the Green-footed duck article. Click on it. During this step, a permission error may occur and the message will appear: This IP address has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. This error sometimes appears due to the use of VPN, or open proxies. Therefore, if you are using them, try disabling them and then repeat all the steps from the beginning. Also, if you are not logged in, logging in can sometimes help resolve the issue. Then, if everything goes well, you will be taken to the "Creating Green-footed duck" page. (Note: if you clicked the red link, you may be taken directly to this page). There will be a large empty text area on this page. Type something in this text area, and then click the blue "Publish page" button. That's it! You have just created a new article that is visible to all Wikipedia users. This article will display the text you typed in the text area, but you can also use wiki markup in addition to plain text, for example to add bold text, italics, sections, images and other files, templates, links to other articles and web pages outside of Wikipedia, references and other things. Happy articles creation! Chermundy (talk) 22:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thorny syntax
I'm wondering if someone can weigh in on a syntax question. I and a couple others are editing the Plot section of the Spider-Man (2002 film) page, and have been struggling with one segment. In brief: Peter Parker wins a wrestling event, but is cheated out of the prize money by the man running the event. A thief bursts in and robs the event, then flees. Instead of stopping him, Peter allows him to escape out of spite. Peter then finds that his Uncle Ben has been fatally shot by the thief, who also stole Ben's car.

Here is the current segment in question, which I find to have awkward syntax in the bolded portion: "Hoping to buy a car to impress Mary Jane, Peter wins an underground wrestling event, but is cheated out of his earnings. Soon after, Peter's Uncle Ben is killed by a carjacker that Peter let escape after robbing the event."

I feel that a version I proposed is less awkward: "Hoping to buy a car to impress Mary Jane, Peter wins an underground wrestling event, but is cheated out of his earnings. Soon after, Peter's Uncle Ben is killed by a man who robbed the wrestling event, and who Peter allowed to escape."

Could I get your thoughts? We don't have to use either of these versions, if another better version exists. Wafflewombat (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The first one doesn't sound awkward to me. Its problem is that the reader may guess wrongly at the identity of the robber. The second sounds slightly more awkward to me but it's unambiguous and thus preferable. (Incidentally, you can, if you wish, use whom; but of course who is perfectly good here.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think using "whom" in the first clause is not seem correct, according to Who_(pronoun). It's the subject of that clause (replaceable as "he robbed" not "him robbed"). The second use could be "whom", as it's the object ("allowed him to escape" not "allowed he to escape"). DMacks (talk) 22:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Here are two alternate versions:
 * 1. "Soon after, Peter's Uncle Ben is killed by a carjacker who Peter let escape after he robbed the event." The problem with this, and the previous version of it, is that it could be construed that Peter robbed the event (As Hoary pointed out).


 * 2. "Soon after, Peter's Uncle Ben is killed by a man who robbed the wrestling event, and whom Peter allowed to escape." Could also be "...and whom Peter let escape."

Are we sure "whom" is correct here? It sounds weird. Wafflewombat (talk) 22:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * DMacks, the fact that "a man" is the subject of "robbed" in the second of the four versions doesn't mean that it's also the subject of "allowed". (It's understood as the object.) Wafflewombat, the second of your two new versions sounds good to me. Within it, whom is fine. And who would be fine as well, unless perhaps it strikes the reader as old-fashioned. (Rule of thumb: Any time you wonder whether whom would be correct, who is also or perhaps only correct. We are, after all, producing 21st-century English, not a slightly fictionalized 19th-century English.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

policy revisions
For example, if I wanted to suggest a change to merging / moving page policies, where would I post my suggestion / proposal for this? Soafy234 (talk) 00:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Village pump (policy). But only after very careful thought. If you've just had what you think is a great new idea, sleep on it. Then write it up on your computer. Then sleep on that. The next day, rewrite it, and post it. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Waiting over a month for page to be reviewed
I submitted this page Wallace Matthews for review over a month ago and have not heard anything. I do understand that there is short staffing of volunteers but am wondering if I did anything wrong.

Thanks in advance,

Gerald Latter Gilatter (talk) 17:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * This article doesn't have a review at all. However, why is it under Wikipedia? It should just be Wallace Matthews. Soafy234 (talk) 17:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gilatter
 * It doesn't look like you ever submitted it for review. To do that, you would need to use Template:AfC submission.
 * However, you are auto-confirmed now, which means you can create new articles directly or move pages to mainspace yourself. It's your choice whether you do that, or submit them for review.
 * When you move a page to mainspace, it should just be "Wallace Matthews", not "Wikipedia:Wallace Matthews". Currently, it is in "project space", which is different from "mainspace".
 * 2601:644:9083:5730:F555:D1EC:BA1A:3DFF (talk) 17:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gilatter I moved your article to the draft namespace, and I suggest you submit it for AfC (using the AfC submission template, which a bot should add automatically) before moving it to the mainspace which is the "article" mainspace, not the "Wikipedia" namespace  due to the limited number of sources your page has. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

So, now at Draft:Wallace Matthews, not submitted to AfC. David notMD (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * A lot of the content is without references. David notMD (talk) 05:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Merging discussions
I want to propose a merger between two articles — the Emirate of Cordoba and the Caliphate of Cordoba — into a new article. I have everything ready, but I'm still unclear on where I'm supposed to post the discussion and the page Merging didn't clarify that for me. Is it supposed to go under one of the articles talk pages or into a specific page for talking about merging? I don't quite understand. As well, how would I link to the discussion in the merge templetes that go at the top of the respective articles?

-- Solitaire Wanderer (talk) 19:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The template should go on a discussion on the talk pages of both articles, and the template should automatically do that (I may be wrong though). Use:


 * (just flip the article names for the respective pages)


 * Hope this helps. :) Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 20:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear then, the template goes on the discussion post too? Is that what you're saying? As well, I post the discussion on both talk pages? Solitaire Wanderer (talk) 22:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yup! You should also put the template at the top of both articles, I forgot to mention that. So it goes on the main article, talk page, and discussion itself.Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 22:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Solitaire Wanderer (talk) 22:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I just saw this and I believe there's some confusion. WP:MERGEPROP specifies: "If two pages are proposed to be merged at a destination page that does not yet exist (destination does not have a talk page), use (...) on each source page, choosing one of the source talk pages as the discussion location and ensuring the discuss parameter directs to this talk page on both source pages."
 * It's not clear to new editors, but in other words: for this situation, just pick one talk page to post your proposal, then tag the two articles (not the talk pages) with the template mentioned, and link the single discussion you created in both templates. That way, all the discussion is in one place, whereas splitting the discussion in two locations would be confusing and potentially make it difficult to determine consensus.
 * Since I have experience with merges, I've just gone ahead and picked one of the talk pages (the one with the most visitors/watchers) and redirected the duplicate discussion there . I think that should all work out. R Prazeres (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Top of article has excess spacing
The area between "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" and the beginning of the lead on articles such as medium Earth orbit include a large space that does not appear on most other articles. Why is this? Indochina2 (talk) 07:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Indochina2. A used template had newlines. I have removed them. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

How do I get to know whether my article is published or not
How do I get to know whether my article is published or not Cuddapah Sri Paramahamsa Sachidananda Yogeeshwarar (Kadapa Swamy) (talk) 07:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, You have written on your user page, which is not article space, but a place for the named person to tell about themselves as a Wikipedia editor or user.  New accounts cannot directly create articles, and need to submit a draft for review via the Article Wizard.  Your text is "published" in that it is visible on your user page, but it is not formally part of the encyclopedia(note that it has "User:" in the title).
 * I must say that your text is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia. It is completely unsourced, and is written in the form of an essay giving the thoughts of the author(you) on the topic.  A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources say about the topic.  Please use the new user tutorial] to learn more about Wikipedia before attempting the difficult task of writing a new article. 331dot (talk) 07:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I also wonder if you confused creating an account with creating an article. You may wish to change your username, see Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to do that.  If you are writing about yourself, please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Your User page content has been Speedy deleted. If your intent is to create and then submit a draft for review ("This page talks about Cuddapah Sri Sachidananda Yogeeshwarar, who is a Great Sadguru and has all the notable links which is required by Wikipedia"), then as advised above, use Article Wizard. General advice, often proffered here at Teahouse, is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article, but that is not a requirement. And either change your User name or abandon your account and start a new one, as a User name should not match the name of the person you wish to write about. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Question
Where is the appropriate place to discuss the Euro football semifinals? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 11:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Qwerty 9706 If you're planning to discuss improving the Euro 2024 article, the best place would be its talk page. If you're planning to talk about the game in general, the best place to discuss it is somewhere outside of Wikipedia. <b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b><sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?  11:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you wish to suggest improvements to a specific article, then the talk page of that article is the correct space, but Wikipedia is not social media and not the place for a general discussion. Shantavira|feed me 11:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @CommissarDoggo @Shantavira OK. Thanks to both for your answer Qwerty 9706 (talk) 11:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * UEFA Euro 2024 knockout stage has more details than UEFA Euro 2024. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @PrimeHunter Thanks, but I can't edit that page. I assume it is protected. When will I be able to edit it? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 11:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The article is semi-protected, meaning you have to be autoconfirmed (4 days and 10 edits) in order to edit it. In the meantime, you can request edits by using the edit semi-protected on its talk page.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 11:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @CanonNi OK. How can I know how many edits I have? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 12:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You can check your contributions by clicking the user icon on the top right of your screen, then clicking "Contributions".   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @CanonNi In the top right of the mobile view I see the notification icon. Could you tell me how many edits I have? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 12:07, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My bad, didn't realize you were on mobile. In that case you can go to Special:Contributions/Qwerty 9706 to check. Right now you have 11 edits.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @CanonNi Thank you so much for checkjng, very kind of you. So if I'm not mistaken in 4 days I should be able to edit semi protected pages. Qwerty 9706 (talk) 12:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be correct. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM for more details.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 12:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Need help on deciding on short description
I tried to make a short description for the Easter truce. Is this a satisfactory one or should I include "Failed proposed ceasefire in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine", or change the wording or choice of words (e.g. failed)? RFNirmala (talk) 11:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, RFNIrmala, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think you need the word "Failed": "Proposed" is enough, in my opinion. ColinFine (talk) 13:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I am a new Wikipedian
What can I do as a Wikipedian? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 12:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Qwerty 9706 welcome to Wikipedia! You can read Contributing to Wikipedia to find out how you can contribute. Many users contribute to topics they are interested in, some by adding content, some by improving the existing material.
 * If you are not sure what to do, you can check out the Task Center and find a task that is interesting for you. Feel free to ask if you have any specific questions, and happy editing! Broc (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Is aggregating a medal table over decades of sports events original research
Is aggregating a medal table over decades of sports events WP:OR? Would such a table be ok although there is no fast way to check the data? (I have read WP:CALC.) IPPON01 (talk) 09:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * IPPON01 extending the idea of WP:SOURCEACCESS, sources shouldn't necessarily be easy to verify. So probably okay. Are you sure there isn't a sports website that has already aggregated such a medal table? In that case you can copy their medal table and cite them, avoiding this question in the first place. Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 13:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Request of feedback about edits and opinion of a talk page topic
Hello there! I'm rather a newbie on Wikipedia, and thus wanted to get some feedback on the first few 'larger' edits I have made on here! Those would be my edits on the Page List of national border changes (1914–present). Something I'd like to get feedback on is my usage of sources and, since sourcing is rather difficult to figure out and propperly do.

Another thing I wanted to ask is for opinions about my two talk topics of the same page. I'd like to clear them (or at least hear an opinion on them) before continuing to edit the page.

Any help is greatly appreciated, and I wish you all a nice day!

With kind regards, ShadowOfThePit (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @ShadowOfThePit and welcome to Wikipedia! I am no expert in the topic, all I can say is that you are using in-line citations correctly. If you want to learn more about sources, which ones to use and which ones to avoid, have a look at Reliable sources.
 * As for the content questions you posted on the talk page, as the topic is probably not very frequented, you will likely not get answers soon. I would suggest you to be bold and implement the changes. If other editors disagree with your changes, they will comment in the talk page and start a discussion. I hope this helps! Broc (talk) 13:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Coul someone please review my edits to determine just how is it that they deserve to have my account blobked?
There seems to be an editor that reverts in very short order contributions without realizing what they are doing. Thank you.2603:8000:D300:3650:E1D2:5AC3:C25B:7842 (talk) 14:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The user has been blocked. WP:ANI is the right place for reporting things like this.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 14:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Is there a link or guide I can send to someone when requesting they release a picture into the public domain for use within an article?
I seem to recall that there was a link or wizard that did not require an account, does that exist? Or can I just ask them informally, as long as that is in writing? FortunateSons (talk) 13:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @FortunateSons do you mean c:Commons:Email templates? Broc (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, but it's useful too, thanks. I want to attempt to ask someone through social media to release an image into CC, so this is probably fine? FortunateSons (talk) 14:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * An informal request by email is OK (some suggested wordings can be found at WP:Example requests for permission), but the copyright holder doesn't have to "release [the] picture into the public domain", just to release it with a WP-acceptable license. I think it's important to include a link to this release generator so that if they agree to release the image, they do so in an acceptable form. Deor (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Will do, thank you! FortunateSons (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Getting rid of URL
At Sabbath's Theater, how do I get rid of the URL at the bottom of References? It duplicates the link in the second Reference. When I try to delete it, it seems to delete all the References. Maurice Magnus (talk) 15:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Maurice Magnus I've fixed it. It was manually inserted directly after the Reflist template. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Need help archiving
Hi all--I need someone to help me with archiving a version of a web site. Please see this edit: I really need this website to be archived, and added to the reference, because I think they are changed regularly. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 00:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You can archive the website here: https://web.archive.org/. When citing it, make sure you enter the archived URL and date of archival in the citation. Soafy234 (talk) 00:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Soafy234, thanks. Drmies (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

My political opponent keeps changing my Wikipage and uses poor sources and false info.
What do I do to stop my former political opponent from constantly changing my Wiki page? He beat me by 31 votes in a state senate race. Yet he has edited my page more than anyone else and it is silly but also annoying and even though I was/am a public figure, the cites should be fair and they are not.

However, I don't have time (and I don't know how) to go back and see all the changes he keeps making.Is there a way to have this stopped permanently? Thank you for any help you can give. Here is the link to my page. Opponent (victor's) name is Matt Leber he goes by This is the way and a few other monikers. Many thanks! Sandy Senn Freeatlast21! (talk) 15:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss this is on the talk page of the article Sandy Senn. Theroadislong (talk) 16:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * FYI, If the said person did not publicly reveal their usernames or monikers they used on Wikipedia, be aware of WP:OUTING. – robertsky (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I blocked an account. Drmies (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , it has been several weeks since there has been disruptive editing to Sandy Senn. That coincides with the primary election date. Presumably, the politically motivated editors have lost interest now that the election is over. Cullen328 (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

COI edit queue and Sam Yagan article
Hello to editors of the Teahouse, I have an open edit request that has been awaiting review since late May: Talk:Sam_Yagan. I have tried to post to pertinent Wikiprojects however I have not received a reply. Is there something else I should be doing or places I can go to in order to start a discussion? Thank you for helping me understand this process. CBCorazon (talk) 21:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Category:Wikipedia_conflict_of_interest_edit_requests has a large backlog. You just need to be patient.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Removing advert tag added by sockpuppet
I am new. I got prompted Copyedit Luther Utterback based on the Suggested edits thing on my homepage.

The article was tagged as an advert but does not read like an advertisement to me. So I checked the history and found that advert tag was added by sockpuppet User:NaturalSelection in this change: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=790467560&oldid=790458491&title=Luther_Utterback

So I removed the advert tag. I just want to confirm that this was the right thing to do. FunFactsFanatic (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, even socks may be correct. In this case, they were not, so thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)