Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 132

Am I complete?
Hello, Earlier you help me suggesting I should i proper links and i did. I also add some photos this time. The only one thing i couldn't do was add resources, would be able to check if I am going the right wat and if i submit it will be accepted please.

Thanks Adoracionpuntual (talk) 00:21, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I assume that you are referring to User:Adoracionpuntual/Lenny Flamenco, see below? You are going in the right direction, but you still have no references to published reliable sources. Without those, your submission would immediately be declined. - David Biddulph (talk) 01:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * How about now, Did i add the references properly? Thanks so much for guiding me in this Adoracionpuntual (talk) 15:22, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * also add lot of more references but they are not appearing for some reason. Adoracionpuntual (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I which was stopping your references from being seen, but you then reinserted the same error. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much David, Im sorry I wasn't aware I was adding the error. I recently add a info box, with this references already fix and the infobox correct. Do you think its ready now to be submitted? Thanks so much for your patience and great help Adoracionpuntual (talk) 14:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Buddhism
Wasn't Buddhism founded in Nepal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackhu20 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 8 August 2013‎ (UTC)
 * Hi Blackhu20, thanks for coming by The Teahouse. You might consider bringing this question to the reference desk, where editors can help answer questions about general knowledge.  Thanks, I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 15:29, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

medical science club?
These claims in the lead at Mindfulness-based stress reduction seem to be promotional and without scientific evidence. "It is thought to be effective for treating ailments including alleviating pain and improving physical and emotional well being for individuals suffering from a variety of diseases and disorders…….Through meditation individuals increase their self-awareness, which leads to a greater unity between the mind and body. Research into meditation and its health benefits has been widely accepted and the concept of mindfulness-based stress reduction was created out of the desire to understand these benefits more closely. A mindfulness-based program is beneficial to those suffering from chronic illness, anxiety, depression, as well as other problems. The benefits of using a mindfulness-based program have been proven to be effect regardless of type of program or length." Is there a science-based medical reviewer or club that looks at this stuff? I asked for help at the Administration noticeboard but they said it's not their thing. Thanks.--LarEvee (talk) 01:27, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi LarEvee, and thanks for bringing your concern to the Teahouse. It looks like you and  already were bold and made the needed changes to reduce unverified and controversial claims in the article, which is a perfectly appropriate (and encouraged) course of action when you see it.  The thing is, you don't (usually) need to be a scientific expert to be able to verify and fact check articles.  If you cannot though, you can try to get an expert using the Expert subject template at the top of the page or post to the talk page of the relevant WikiProject (e.g. WikiProject Psychology in this case). Thanks for your hard work. I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 15:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, this is helpful information.--LarEvee (talk) 18:48, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Review and feedback?
Could you please give feedback on a page I am currently writing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Patrick_Mott.

Thank you! Eli Magoo (talk) 00:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Eli Magoo. I'd say the article kind of misses the point of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a tertiary source where articles are to be based upon secondary sources, not WP:Primary ones. I hope that helps! Read the info at the link to primary about primary sources, secondary sources, etc. Also see WP:42. Best wishes.Biosthmors (talk) 00:52, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Is it against the rules to not give a summary of an edit on your userpage?
Is it against the rules to not give a summary of an edit on your userpage?Dognut98 (talk) 22:23, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . While it is not against the rules to leave the edit summary box blank, edit summaries are very helpful to other editors, and I suggest that you get into the habit of using them. You can read more at WP:EDITSUMMARY, and the relevant sentence from there is, "It is considered good practice to provide a summary for every edit."  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  22:46, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Dognut98. I don't leave edit summaries on mine, since it is mine. On articles, I of course try to always remember to leave them. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 00:46, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am also guilty of not always leaving an edit summary for edits on my user page, however I agree with Cullen328 that it is a good habit to get into since it helps communicate to other editors. I learnt a great deal from edit summaries on talk and user pages when I first started editing and doesn't take long to leave a quick summary. Best wishes ''' Flat Out  let's discuss it  04:06, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

how to edit a page
i want to know how to change the page name and linking the same page with two name like redirectering of pages can anybody please tell meK dileep chowdary (talk) 07:12, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, Welcome to Teahouse. Thanks for your question and I think it is one of your first edits. You still need more practice for redirecting and renaming a page. By the way, you may see this page or this page for further information.Hope this will be beneficial. BenisonPBaby 16:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello User:K dileep chowdary. You might also find the H:Cheatsheet helpful. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 00:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Issues with my article - how to resolve them?
I had to contribute to an existing article (Mark Chan) as part of a school project. I did a lot of research for my article (references are provided in the article) but it is flagged as being biased, written like an advertisement, and showing a close connection to the composer I wrote about. I would appreciate any assistance, please. Thank you very much. Jwyj (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It does read like an essay. Encyclopedia articles are written differently and aren't about putting all the favorable reviews about an artist into an article or putting in quotes from him. It's more putting in just the facts. Look at the article for Philip Glass. Read Biographies of living persons. The first paragraph should be a summary of the whole article. Put his education in a separate section. Hope this helps. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:25, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I don't have time to review the whole article, but I did look at the lead paragraph. Your sentences about how great this composer is are cited to a website that hasn't been updated in ten years, plus an interview of the composer on another website that may not have an established reputation for evaluating a composer's career. The enthusiastic brief blurbs that many websites and publications run, praising the people they are interviewing, should not be used as references for sweeping assessments of their music. The bottom line is that you need more solid sources for such conclusions. Examine all of your prose to be sure that it complies with the neutral point of view, and cite the most reliable sources you can find.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  19:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Dear StarryGrandma and  Cullen 328, thank you for your invaluable advice. I thought encyclopedia articles were about putting as much information I could find about the subject as possible, and did not realize by doing this, it made me sound biased. I re-read my article, took out all reviews and used neutral language as much as possible. If you could kindly review my article again and advise me how else to improve it (and what more to omit), I would be most obliged. Thank you again for your help and time. Jwyj (talk) 02:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I would ask you to consider whether or not the blurb at the beginning of the Fridae is a reliable source for how his reputation is "widely considered". I have my doubts, but am not familiar with the Singapore music scene.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  02:36, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks,  Cullen 328! The version of the article before I contributed stated that the subject is "recognized as one of Singapore's premier composers." There was no reference though, that's why I changed it. I'll revert to the old phrase since that wasn't a problem with it. I shouldn't have meddled! Thanks! Jwyj (talk) 05:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't revert to something unreferenced just because no one objected previously. Probably, no one was paying close attention. Instead, summarize what the very best sources say about him.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks again,  Cullen 328. I managed to get some assistance using the Help Me code as well. An editor told me to use a phrase from a Hong Kong government site instead, which referred to the subject as a "renowned Singaporean composer." Wiki is hard for a newbie like me! I'm so glad there have been kind souls like you and the people at Teahouse. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwyj (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Well done, ! That seems like a much stronger source to me.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  17:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

What should I edit?
I have recently been upgraded to autoconfirmed status, because now I can now edit semi-protectected articles. But what should I edit? Please help! User:castigonia Castigonia (talk) 14:44, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You should edit any article that interests you.  Also, there always seems to be a backlog at semi-protected edit requests,  if you want to help there.  RudolfRed (talk) 15:27, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a bot that submits suggestions of articles that you may be interested in on user talk pages. I have no idea how or when this bot places these suggestions on your page. I wonder if any other Teahouse host knows if there is a way to get the bot to make suggestions on a specific user page?-- Mark Just ask! WER TEA DR/N 20:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * See User:Suggestbot for instructions. RudolfRed (talk) 21:04, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you!-- Mark Just ask! WER TEA DR/N 21:08, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You can also use Special:Random to find a random article to edit - click on it a few times (or a few dozen) and maybe you'll find something interesting! – Philosopher Let us reason together. 00:50, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you guys! I have used all of your advice and putting them to effect. Keep on editing! Castigonia (talk) 13:27, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Articles whose titles are in italics: How do you make the title have italics?
I recently created a redirect from Meet Whiplash Willie to The Fortune Cookie. I note that we have The Fortune Cookie in italics but I couldn't make the title of my re-direct (Meet Whiplash Willie) appear in italics. How do we create an article and ensure its title is italicised? Jodosma (talk) 18:47, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Jodosma! To make an article title appear in italics, you begin the page with italic title, although I'm not completely sure that it would work with a redirect. Happy editing! ö   Brambleberry  of   RiverClan  18:55, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've looked at some articles and now see the italic tag whereas I didn't notice it before because I wasn't looking for it. Also I now know that it doesn't work with a redirect. Jodosma (talk) 11:13, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


 * What I was told is that by using the infobox for a movie, the title appears in italics automatically.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It does seem that way.Jodosma (talk) 11:13, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * only affects how the article name is displayed on the screen. A redirect page is never seen, as it seemlessly loads the target page instead, therefore visual presentation of the article name is irrelevant.  But I get the sense of what you were wanting, and I think having that attention to details is a good thing, and most welcome here on Wikipedia. &#8239;Senator2029 ➔ “Talk”</b>&#8239; 07:56, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

ndash etc. in article titles
Why would anyone use an ndash in an article title. I've recently been viewing 2012-13 Football League Cup and found that it was a redirect because the article was created by using an ndash for 2012–13. I've noticed a few like this and just don't get it. Why not just use a hyphen to create the title; if you use an ndash you find that it doesn't work properly in the search box. How do you enter an ndash in the search box anyway? Jodosma (talk) 18:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . What I say here is my personal opinion, and doesn't represent any official stance. Some editors care deeply about the distinctions between various types of dashes and hyphens, and work diligently to make them all correct. Other editors, and I include myself in this group, simply don't know or care about these typographic distinctions, and couldn't describe the differences, or use one over the other properly if our lives depended on it. Those of us in the second group encourage those of you in the first group to copyedit to your heart's content, as long as you don't argue disruptively about these issues. In this case, why not just move the article to your preferred typographically correct title?  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  04:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think Cullen328's answer is quite good, both from a understanding of the situation and also what to do about it. And as an editor that cares more about typography and form (rather than the meaning), I can appreciate someone asking, "What's the difference between a hyphen and those dashes of various lengths?" (And let's not forget the hyphen-minus.)  <span style="border:1px solid #FFD500; font-family:Calibri, serif;">&#8239;<b style="font-size:110%; color:#08F;">Senator2029</b> ➔ <b style="font-size:110%; color:#08F;">“Talk”</b>&#8239; 08:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * WP:DASH says: "To aid searching and linking, provide a redirect from the corresponding article title with hyphens in place of en dashes". The redirect is there at 2012-13 Football League Cup so it does work in the search box in that case. When there is no redirect the en dash page is usually the first search result so it's only one click to get there. Entering an en dash in the search box would have been harder but see options at Dash if you really want to know. If you see a case without a redirect then you can just create the redirect by copy-pasting the title from the en dash version. Don't worry when creating articles. Somebody, often a bot, will eventually move it to the en dash version when required by our guidelines. I think the real problem is categories. I don't like en dashes there. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:52, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Question about making changes like deletions
I am so new to this type of helping improve wikipedia. There are a couple articles and this image :File:The Golden Hat - Talking Back To Autism.jpg that I had questions about (all related) one by the author of this book has already been marked for speedy deletion but I am questioning the use of this image because there doesnt seem to be enough information given as to the release of copyright. Could you help me understand what to do here? <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">Tattoodwaitress♥<font style="color:Black">LetsTalk 23:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . I don't see that file so maybe it has already been deleted. As for related articles, can you please link to them by name? I will take a stab at answering your question. It is OK to use low resolution images of copyrighted book covers, to illustrate an article about that book. The principle is Fair use, and the same principle applies to movie posters and album covers. These images are uploaded to Wikipedia rather than Wikimedia Commons, and if the related article is deleted for lack of notability, for example, the orphaned image is deleted as well. I hope this helps.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  01:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The image file is still there (File:The Golden Hat - Talking Back To Autism.jpg)and has now been marked for deletion. The Golden Hat: Talking Back to Autism and this article Keli Thorsteinsson which have both been marked for deletion now. So i guess I was on the right track i am just not fast enough or know enough to make those choices to add those tags. I will learn more as I go along I suppose. I usually second guess myself is the problem. <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">Tattoodwaitress♥<font style="color:Black">LetsTalk 01:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

New Article
How long does it take for a new article to show up on Wikipedia?Snowdy17 (talk) 18:42, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Snowdy, and thanks for your question. The answer is that it depends.  If you submit your article through Articles for Creation, it will undergo a review and be approved for submission or you'll be given feedback on how to improve the article before it is approved.  This can take a few days or a week or two, depending on the backlog of articles that have been submitted.  On the other hand, you can simply create the article on your own by searching for the article title and starting a new article yourself.  However, without a review, it means that the article may be subject to speedy deletion, so if you're writing your first article, it's best to go to down the Articles for Creation avenue. <font color="green" face="Candara">I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Question regarding Userbox
This is a Userbox I made 10 minutes ago.
 * In the ID Box I used the font AG Book Condensed BQ (bolded version used in the posters and credits) to denote 11. Now after comparing images of the font in Google Images somehow I have a feeling that the font is not rendered in the end. Is the font not supported by Wikipedia?


 * If not what about Standard Condensed, which was used in the film too?

Best --<font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0em 0em 0.8em,#FF4500 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#90EE90 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#696969">$oHƎM❊<font style="color:Gold">আড্ডা 15:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse ! Wikipedia doesn't determine what fonts are supported on individuals computers, instead that is handled by their operating system with few exceptions (some people may have installed programs that add fonts or manually added a few fonts themselves). I hope that helps, and I would be happy to poke around and try to find the page that gives an overview of what fonts are generally considered "safe" if a Google search doesn't turn up what you need.  Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 16:50, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but is the font supported by Wikipedia's database? I think not.<font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0em 0em 0.8em,#FF4500 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#90EE90 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#696969">$oHƎM❊<font style="color:Gold">আড্ডা  16:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of any concept of a font being supported by Wikipedia. Our software just stores whatever name you specified and passes it on in the rendered html. You can write  and the rendered page will say exactly that here: <font face="Madeupname">11 . It's your browser which determines how it's displayed. See also WP:FONTFAMILY and Font family (HTML). PrimeHunter (talk) 20:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Criterions for File mover?
Hi everyone

As the summary suggests now I want to a know a few things about file mover rights -


 * 1) Is there a minimum edit number for being a File mover?
 * 2) Where (who) to ask for a File mover rights?

I went to WP:FMV but unfortunately these queries of mine were not fulfilled. I work with a lot of articles and make a few typos here and there so it would be nice to be mover.

Best <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0em 0em 0.8em,#FF4500 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#90EE90 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#696969">$oHƎM❊<font style="color:Gold">আড্ডা 14:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Sohambanerjee1998 and welcome to the Teahouse. I've noticed that your contributions to the file namespace are rather extensive, but you do not seem to have requested any file renames. Also, while requesting renames on Wikimedia Commons is great, requesting renames here on the English Wikipedia is more likely to help get you filemover rights. I'd recommend at least 20 or so rename requests before requesting filemover. Use the template. Filemover rights can be requested at WP:PERM/F. King  Jakob  C2 14:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, King, that was my real question, Where (who) to ask for a File mover rights?. Rarely I make typos while uploading a file, I am cautious as a fox while uploading. Thanks once again.<font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0em 0em 0.8em,#FF4500 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#90EE90 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#696969">$oHƎM❊<font style="color:Gold">আড্ডা  14:26, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Status indicator
Is there a way to have a status indicator on your user page to tell other users if you are online or offline? George8211 (talk | mail) 10:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You have to update the status with an edit but see Editor activity indicator. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

What's the "auto" in wikiproject template?
I've seen a few descriptions about it being related to bots, but after googling it's still not clear what it does. In particular this user appears to be a bot that's removing the "auto" parameter across hundreds of pages, but I have no idea why this would be desirable or (if this is a vandal bot) undesirable. Vzaak (talk) 05:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Category:Automatically assessed biography articles, for example, says "This category contains articles that have been automatically assessed.  Editors should confirm or amend the assessment made by the bot and then remove the |auto=??? parameter..".  If the IP editor to which you refer were a bot, it ought presumably to have been approved as such. - David Biddulph (talk) 06:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes I got that far already, and it's still not clear. When the auto tag is removed, what are the practical implications? Automatically assessed by bots or humans? What does the automatic assessment entail? What's the purpose of removing the tag across hundreds of pages, as that IP is doing? Vzaak (talk) 06:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse!  Your question led me to do a little research which led me to believe that this IP address is an unapproved bot and sockpuppet.  I've reported the IP and the suspected sockmaster to the appropriate "authority" for sockpuppetry and they will deal with it from here. Happy editing!!! Technical 13 (talk) 12:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * OK but I still have the same questions above. Vzaak (talk) 15:06, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * See WP:AUTOASSESS and Template:WPBannerMeta. The auto parameter alerts editors, for example by adding a category like Category:Automatically assessed biography articles and adding text to the WikiProject banner, that the assessment was made automatically. Compare and . The former was before the IP removed auto=yes from the second banner. It said (not copying the formatting and links here): "This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool as Stub-Class because it uses a stub template. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the |auto= parameter."
 * Removing the auto parameter without changing the assessment is a signal that a human editor thought the assessment was correct. I don't know whether the IP actually did that or just removed it randomly. You would have to ask the IP, or maybe check for yourself whether the assessments looked correct. I haven't done that. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I didn't realize until now that WP:AUTOASSESS info was recently removed. And within the same day that IP address began mass-removing the auto tag. It looks like a WP admin declined to investigate, but it sure looks suspicious to me. Vzaak (talk) 23:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

How do I insert an image in an article
I have just put up a new article on entitled "Saint Maighneann". I have also uploaded an image of Saint Maighneann to Wiki Commons. However I cannot understand why I can't add that image to the article. Why is it so difficult.Msriposte (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your question, Msriposte.  <font color="green" face="Candara">I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 22:12, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * As Msriposte said, the image is already uploaded. It's commons:File:Saint Maighneann of Cill Mhaighneann (Kilmainham).jpg. The attempt at adding it to an article was misformatted. This code would work:  . But I'm not sure it's a good idea to add your own painting based on imagination of somebody who lived centuries ago. When our articles have paintings of the subject, they are usually made by somebody who either saw the subject or is a well-known painter. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "When our articles have paintings of the subject, they are usually made by somebody who either saw the subject or is a well-known painter. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:34, 10 August 2013 (UTC)"

Amazingly small-minded ........ most of the paintings of famous Saints were painted in the late middle ages, hundreds of years after they lived. There are no photos St. Anthony, St. John, St. James, St. Nicholas or Jesus ..... and who's to decide who is a well known painter. The painting that I am discussing is the only extant image of Saint Maighneann.Msriposte (talk) 12:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * How do you know it's the only extant image? Considering your Internet posts are the only Google hits on you might be right, but there could be others who have made images without advertising them on the Internet. I guess those middle age paintings are publicly known and have been published in reliable sources. See No original research and Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:41, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Official name of the country - FYROM
Hi, I am using the name FYROM as the standard form recognized by UN and international diplomacy, but is see it is being continuously and edited/changed to Macedonia.

Shouldn't we follow the standard UN naming convention?

Thanks

Mondiad (talk) 15:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Mondiad: the naming convention for Macedonia on Wikipedia has been determined via community discussion and subsequent arbitration. You can find more details of the decision at this guideline. If you want to discuss that guideline, you may do so at the guideline's talk page. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 16:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * @Mondiad: Without knowing anything about the particular circumstances of either the country or its article, we generally use the common name of something, not its formally correct name. In this case, Macedonia is more common than FYROM in everyday conversation, so I suspect this is a large part of why you are being reverted. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 02:17, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Fine, I am OK with it. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't a political thing.

Mondiad (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

2 queries re: use of tables
Hi I have the following questions about tables:

1. I am reviewing articles on Ayyubid dynasty rulers. Most have a table at the bottom with names of all dynasty members, but the entry for the father of the dynasty, Najm ad-Din Ayyub, doesn't. I'd like to copy the table from the bottom of the article about his brother, Shirkuh, into the one about Ayyub. I just wanted to check in case this might violate some principle of how information is organised, meaning the table ought not really to go there.

2. Could someone please point me to instructions on how to copy and paste a table from one article into another?

Many thanks Mccapra (talk) 03:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Mccapra, and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume this is the table you were referring to: Template:Ayyubid dynasty. To add it to an article, just put at the bottom of the page. Also, you might want to add Najm ad-Din Ayyub to the table. To do that, click "edit source" on the template page, find where Ayyub goes, and add him. Howicus (talk) 03:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Thanks for your quick response. Yes it was that table I meant. I see what to do now. Many thanks. Mccapra (talk) 06:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Salem (Days of our Lives)
I read the WP Article Salem (Days of our Lives). My opinion of the article is this, it is terrible. It reads like a fan site. I don't think there are sources for anything in the article. The article also has one of those This article has multiple issues boxes dating from September 2009, which is almost four years old. I agree with all of the multiple issues but I cannot even imagine where to start. If I removed everything that did not have a source,there would not even be an article at all. Can someone look at the article and give me some tips on what I can do to improve it? I would file an AFD but I don't know how. The article is full of fan cruft statements. I know the prose of the article is bad. I think Salem (Days of our Lives) should be trimmed down and merged to the Days of our Lives WP page. How do you merge an article to another article? Does there have to be a voting process? I'm not in a rush to do work on the Salem article,since I'm still working on the Dance Moms article,but since the Salem article is so bad,and has been tagged with issues for four years I plan to start on it next so any tips on where to start would be appreciated.BeckiGreen (talk) 02:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Can't change title!
Hi,

I created a page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Riqiv23 but the TITLE is "User:Riqiv23"

I didn't realize "saving" the page in my personal sandbox would make it appear online! It appears I don't have enough "edits" to move the page myself.

From: "User:Riqiv23" > "Richie Vitale"

Can I somehow change the TITLE to: Richie Vitale

That is preferred. . . otherwise if should be deleted.

I also asked this same question here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Can.27t_change_title.21 as I am not sure where the correct area is to beginner questions?

Thank you! Riqiv23 (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I am guessing you are not "Autoconfirmed" yet. Only autoconfirmed editors can move pages.  In any case, ✅  Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:01, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Does that mean: I must have had the account for four days and made at least ten article edits with it)? Riqiv23 (talk) 02:08, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * exactly. Note tho that I moved it for you! Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:10, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Also please note that the page you created it on (which is now gone and could be recreated by you) is not your "sandbox". That was your userpage, a page that allows you to put some info up that tells other editors what you are about on Wikipedia.  If you want a sandbox, just for experimenting in or as a place to start a new article, you generally create a separate page in userspace.  See WP:UP for all the rules on userpages.  If you click the following link and put  on the page and save it, you will have a sandbox!  User:Riqiv23/sandbox  Welcome to Wikipedia and happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

--- Wow, you are super awesome! Thx for putting the article up and changing the name! I will review WP:UP for all the rules on userpages. Riqiv23 (talk) 02:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Amellondon/sandbox
Hello, The article i am editing at present in my sandbox looks like this Please would you review and could you kindly tell me how the article formats in to Wikipedia layout ie: with a picture etc? is this something that's done once my article is finalised and ready to go live? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amellondon (talk • contribs)
 * Hello Amellodon, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't really understand what formatting you mean.  A picture isn't really necessary, and can wait until later.  Could you provide an example of the formatting you're talking about?  Howicus (talk) 22:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Amellondon. The article could maybe use an infobox, but that isn't required.  What is required, however is some proof of notability.  All biographical articles have to have references, to independent, reliable secondary sources to show notability.  The specific requirements for musicians is at WP:NMUSIC.  If independent, reliable sources haven't "made note" of a subject, then that subject is not eligible for an article. You will need to add some references showing where your subject is being talked about in detail in either newspapers, magazines, radio or TV news, books, or reviewed academic journals. Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:08, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Changing name of an image
I mess something up. I uploaded a new logo for a new wikiproject but instead of naming WP NCIS Logo I named it File:WP_U2_Logo.jpeg I need some help to change it :) Pleaseee <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:18, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I have moved it to File:WikiProject NCIS Logo.jpg without leaving a redirect on the misleading name. WP usually means Wikipedia and could cause confusion. jpg is far more common than jpeg. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:TWA
It is not working for me. Whe I click Mission1 2 3, etc. I doesn't show anything. What is wrong? What it does supposed to do?<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The place to as would be Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Adventure, but did you read the bit at the top of WP:TWA that says: "You do need Visual Editor and Javascript enabled for the tour to work properly."? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:37, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks dave. I didn't read the VE part ;). let's see if it works if i enable it. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * it did nothing :(<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Miss Bono, what browser are you using? VisualEditor doesn't work on Opera or Internet Explorer. <font color="#007FFF">ö   Brambleberry  <font color="#9C9C9C">of   RiverClan  15:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Mozilla Firefox. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  15:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It's likely this is a Javascript problem, as VE is only required for TWA to make some of the editing lessons make sense. Since you're on Firefox, I have no clue how you would turn on Javascript. Someone else may be able to help with that :) ~ Charmlet -talk- 15:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Reference section; Wellsville, Ohio page
When I try to edit the REFERENCE section of the Wellsville, Ohio page I do not see the information that is already on the page. Thank you FDLeyda (talk) 12:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi FDLeyda. When you are reading an article and see a references section near the bottom populated by a series of numbered citations, you might think that if you edit the page, or that section, you will see those citations typed in that section and be able to edit them. However, normally what you will see is code similar to this:    <tt> ==References==     or </tt> The text of citations is actually in the body of the article, directly next to statements or paragraphs the citations support, using tags, which display as footnotes (e.g. <font color=#002BB8>[1][2] ) when you are reading an article. The template code shown above in the references section collates and displays all of the citations within the article in a numbered list in which the numbers correspond to the footnote numbers in the text. By clicking on the <font color=#002BB8>^ symbol next to a citation display, you can easily find exactly where in the body of the article the citation text appears in order to edit it. For more, please see Referencing for beginners. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

How to resolve multiple issues?
Hi, we appear to have 'multiple issues' with our Wikipedia entry:

"This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (July 2013) This article appears to be written like an advertisement. (July 2013) This article relies on references to primary sources. (July 2013)"

I'm not sure how to resolve each of these?

Thank you!The Case Centre (talk) 10:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello The Case Centre, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'll start with the first one.  Your username is the same as the name of the article, The Case Centre.  User names that promote a company or organization are against Wikipedia policy, because Wikipedia editors are supposed to be neutral individual authors, not representatives of organizations.  It's going to be hard to get rid of this tag, because it's true.  Changing your user name to a personal one is the first step.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 10:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for your help. I've now changed the user name. I'm not sure if I need to do anything else in relation to the multiple issues? Many thanks again, DeborahThe Case Centre (talk) 11:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello again - that was quick! Articles that are written in a promotional instead of neutral way, especially those which use an organization's own web site for references instead of neutral sources such as news reports, magazine articles, books, etc., and particularly those which are written by members of the organization, are usually deleted from the encyclopedia. To prevent this, you need to quickly find and add some references.  Alternatively, you could move your article to your sandbox (of your new user name), and then submit it to WP:Articles for creation, where reviewers will keep asking for improvements until the article is satisfactory, but won't delete it as long as it's not a copyright violation. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Deborah, your user name appears to be the same. Did you log out and log in with the new name? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 11:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you again, Anne. I appreciate your help. I tried logging out and logging in with my new user name, but it didn't recognise it. Perhaps a time lapse? I filled out the form etc as instructed. Thanks again. DeborahThe Case Centre (talk) 11:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The form is not actioned instantaneously as soon as you fill it out; it requires human intervention I believe. From the current contents of Changing username/Simple it seems not to have been done yet. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Anne. You've been really helpful. I found one external link and added it. We're a not-for-profit organisation and registered charity. Hope we're not taken down! Kind regards :)The Case Centre (talk) 12:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * ...and thank you Arthur! :) The Case Centre (talk) 12:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Deborah. Wikipedia makes no distinction between commercial and non-commercial organisations: the issue is whether the organisation meets the criteria for notability, and whether the text is written from a neutral point of view, not how worthy the organisation is. --ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Deborah! One thing you should be clear on.  All Wikipedia articles are required to show notability, a term that is quite confusing to newcomers.  Notability has nothing to do with fame or importance; instead, it simply means that the thing you are writing about has been "noted" (by independent, reliable sources).  It is a long explanation as to why that is, but as tertiary sources, all encyclopedias have the same requirement.  If secondary sources are not writing about your subject, it cannot have an article.  All the sourcing on your article right now is primary, that is it is all coming from the organization's website.  If that does not change, and fast, the article will be nominated for deletion.  Have newspapers, magazines, radio or TV news done stories on the organization? Have books been written about it?  Have academic papers been written on it and published in reviewed journals?  If the answer to all those questions is no, then you do not have an article.  If it is yes, please cite them. Good luck! Gtwfan52 (talk) 01:27, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

How to publish a translation
Hello. I would like to know how can I publish an English translation of an article that already exists on Wikipedia in German. Thank you. Curnau (talk) 10:05, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Curnau. See Translation. If you are unsure how to create the actual page then see Your first article. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

How to get independent sources into my article?
I am creating the english version of an article about an Austrian organization (German article already exists): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/HOPE%2787 However, it got rejected repeadetly as it is lacking "independent" sources. I don't quite know what to do now, because as for facts about the organization (like mandate, structure etc.) there is no other sources than their own webpage and activity reports. I have looked at a lot of similar pages and they all refer to the organization's own webpages and publications... For all other things, like partnerships, legal seals, affiliation with government institutions etc., I've already added sources. Could you give me some advice on that?Christie16888 (talk) 07:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Most of your article is description, much like an organization would write on its web page. An encyclopedia article is different. We need to see what the organization has done, with dates, probably in chronological order. This will have been covered by newspapers and other news sources. Use these as reference. Replace the description with a brief summary and references to the material on their web site. Then put in what they are doing, with references. Good luck. StarryGrandma (talk) 10:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Marking Content For Deletion?
Hi, How does one properly mark specific content (at the sentence level, the paragraph level, and/or at a whole section level) for deletion? I've specifically found things like individual references, sentences, paragraphs, and even whole sections that don't meet WP policy standards and, rather than just deleting, was wondering if the right approach is to mark things for deletion. Any thoughts on the matter are greatly appreciated. -- My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 03:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . If you believe that a portion of an article violates policy so completely that the material is of no value, then simply remove it, explaining your reasoning in an edit summary. If another editor reverts, adding the content back, then discuss the matter on the article's talk page, and try to reach consensus. If the problems are less severe, such as the lack of a reference to a reliable source to verify the information, then you can add a tag to that material. If the material is not written in appropriately, from the neutral point of view, then rewrite it to comply. If it is unclear, then rewrite to clarify. The bottom line is that you can be bold, and solve problems on your own, always guided by our policies and guidelines.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328   Let's discuss it  04:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, FGuerino! This is a great question.  You do not need to mark parts of articles for deletion, you just do it and leave an edit summary as to why you did.  Just remember, that according to WP:BRD (an essay describing our basic editing model), when you Boldly change an article, someone else may Revert it; at which time you go to the articles talk page and Discuss it and form a consensus as to what the edit should look like.  In other words, if you take it out and someone puts it back, do not just take it out again; start a discsussion on the talk page and form a consensus that all the involved editors can live with. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * My thanks to both of you ( Cullen 328 and Gtwfan52). I appreciate your taking the time to help educate me on the matter. -- My Best --FGuerino (talk) 12:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

How would I request an assessment?
While working on disambig links I found this article it states is an un-assessed article. How would one tag it for assessment? And what exactly does that mean? Does it mean so it could be categorized as stub/start class etc? Thanks TattØØdẄaitre§ <font color="#333333"> lĖTŝ tÅLĶ  '' 16:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice to see you at the Teahouse again, . Any editor can assess an article as Stub, Start, C, B or A, and this is usually done by applicable Wikiprojects. The top assessments, namely Good article and Featured article, are formal processes done by groups of editors. The article is already tagged for assessment, and you can click the blue link at the top to learn more about assessment. You can see that it is assigned to Wikiproject Dentistry on the article's talk page.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  18:46, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Cullen, and I shall go and check that out. I am having a hard time... how do i tell that it has already been tagged for assessment? Thanks <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">Tattoodwaitress♥<font style="color:Black">LetsTalk 18:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Tagging it as unassessed, which has been done, amounts to a request for someone to assess it. It shows up on lists of unassessed articles, which are used by editors who like to work on assessments.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  18:55, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh so it doesn't have to be tagged like this one Classic Car Journalist <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">Tattoodwaitress♥<font style="color:Black">LetsTalk 21:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I am seeing a red link and don't see that article even without capitalization. Can you clarify which article you mean, ?  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  22:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah I believe the article was deleted already. (ah yes: "A page with this title has previously been deleted.") Sorry so late in replying Cullen, I didnt realize you had responded again. <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:Red 0em 0em 0.8em,Yellow -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,Cyan 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#000000">Tattoodwaitress♥<font style="color:Black">LetsTalk 23:58, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Can I jump onto this thread and ask is it the same for assessing the importance (Low, Mid, Top) of articles? I can't find policy on this anywhere. Thanks, Tomásdearg92 (talk) 01:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tomás. It is pretty much the same; you can leave it as unassessed if you want someone else's input, or you can decide on your own.  When I rate articles for importance,  I generally err on the side of less important if I'm not sure which one to do. <font color="green" face="Candara">I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 02:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a mill User:I Jethrobot, much appreciated. Tomásdearg92 (talk) 02:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Userboxes?
I have created 2 userboxes in my user page. But how can I make it a template?? BenisonPBaby 06:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse!  I've taken the liberty of moving your userboxes to their own user space templates. I've also added a little template I've been working on that should maker creating userboxes easier.
 * Your two boxes are:


 * The other template I mentioned is on User:BenisonPBaby/userboxes and all you have to do to create more new userboxes is type in a name for the userbox and click create, wait a moment and a new edit window will come up, fill in the template parameters, and finally click save. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 13:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Review Poaching editing history and Talk:Poaching to see if I am off base.
I am very new here nad seem to have gotten myself involved in an editing war almost immedialtely. I am concerned that undue weight is being given to one particularly broad definition gleaned from acedemic sources. I did come in kind of heavy at the very first but I attempted to regroup and work on a solution that included as much of the source material as possible. I do not feel my efforts are yeilding a ballanced lede. Could someone please take a look at what has been going on and let me know if I have missed something. I am having a really hard time with assuming good faith. Thank You Economic Refugee (talk) 02:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Economic Refugee. I think you may need some more specialized help.  Have you thought of contacting a Wikiproject to find other editors who are knowledgeable about this topic? WikiProject International law, maybe?  or WikiProject Extinction?  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 12:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Anne Delong, I am fairly knowledgable about the subject, but being new here I am unsure if the conflict is typical. I am also concerned about my own neutrality and was hoping someone would look at the nature of the conflict. I do not really want to ask for arbitration or administerial help until I feel more confident that I am doing this in the best way I can. As I said, I am very challenged to keep myself in the "assuming good faith" state of mind. I have given few responses that could be interpreted as less than civil and I am seeking advice while I search for my balance here. Thank you Economic Refugee (talk) 00:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Dear Economic Refugee: From time to time there is definitely conflict, as there is in any community with a large number of people. It's worse when there are only two people involved, because it's all too easy for each of the two to assume that he or she is in the right. If a dispute goes on to the point where people are repeating themselves or realizing that they can't agree, it's time to get other opinions.  Name calling, etc., never helps. The trick is to find interested editors.  Many editors have their favourite Wikiprojects on their watchlist, which is why I suggested leaving a message there.  Also, you could look at the article's history and see who has worked on it before and leave them a message. However, if the dispute goes on and you feel that the article is being damaged, you can ask for help at Dispute resolution noticeboard.  I hope this helps.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 01:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Economic Refugee! I am a Junior Wrangler here at the Teahouser, and I have assessed your contributions at Talk:Poaching. Having seen your commentary, "Bullshit!!! I am sick of yor arrogant attitude. You obviously do not understand what an encycopedia is, neither do you understand colaborration niether do you understand neutrality" on that page, my recommendation would be that you choose a different topic on which to contribute. Perhaps one about which you do not feel so strongly. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I admitted to being uncivil and asked for advice on how to deal with the conflict. I feel strongly about all versions of accuracy. It will not matter what the subject matter is. I deleted the uncivl message, I hope that is ok. Thanks for looking. Economic Refugee (talk) 02:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

One thing to keep in mind when editing here. It doesn't matter what you know, or what you believe is true. All that matters is what you can prove by referencing reliable sources. You may find WP:TRUTH enlightening. As you can tell from the responses you have gotten, we at Teahouse don't get involved in editing disputes. We just tell you how to go about resolving them. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:53, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleting an account
I created an account back in 2010 when I'd think that Wikipedia was for socializing, I never used it, though. The name of it it's User:U2 Girl. I didn't do any edit in Wikipedia and I want to delete the account. Is it possible? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:28, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No action is needed, . Forget about that account and leave it alone.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  19:32, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ok. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Probable Vandal
Hey, this might not be the place for this question, but are we supposed to take it upon ourselves to warn vandal ips? Or do we just ignore them or report them (or etc) ? KatCheez 17:13, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * H3ll0 :) I think you should revert the changes and place a post-it note :) warning them. IMHO. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Post it note? It was on a talk page for an article. They do not currently have a talk page. KatCheez 19:28, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Kat Post it note was a joke for a warning message at the IP talk page. They do have one. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:42, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get a Creating User talk:[ip address redacted] when I click the talk link. I didn't want to accidentally warn someone and create their talk page at the same time. Wouldn't that count as Biting a newbie? I'm not 100% on that policy and I don't want to look like a jerk. KatCheez 19:46, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Kat What's the IP address? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * 46.115.81.141 The edit was on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Barton_Fink. KatCheez 19:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Kat I reverted the vandalism and I will add a not in its talk page. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:59, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I know a little about policy from wikistalking for the last year, but I want to be cautious on anything I'm unsure of. :) KatCheez 20:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was trying to find some warning template but I am running out of time. Maybe some other editor can post it in the ip talk page, otherwise I will do it tomorrow morning (my time )<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Kat. Yes, you should warn vandals and report them if they persist. You can report obvious and persistent vandals at Administrator intervention against vandalism, but before posting there, a final warning in an escalating series should have been posted to the user's talk page. Some example of the last in some common warning series are Uw-vandal4, Uw-spam4 and Uw-speedy4). See Template messages/User talk namespace for more. What is implied by the template name is that the prior warnings you would give are the same templates in lower numbers, e.g., Uw-vandal, then Uw-vandal2, then...You don't always need to start with a first level warning though. It depends on the nature of the edit – how egregious it is. Generally, in order for a block report to be acted upon, the user must have vandalized within the last few hours, including after the final warning was given but I would block for a single warning if the edit is bad enough, such as for racism.  Your block request is unlikely to be acted upon unless you follow these steps. Cases that are not simple vandalism can be reported at WP:AN/I. Of course, in conjunction with warning against and reporting vandalism, you have the ability, mandate and are encouraged to revert all instances of vandalism you find yourself. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:46, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Kat! If you want to simplify all this a bit, you can go to your preferences and enable Twinkle.  All editors are eligible to use it to revert vandalism and it allows you to revert the vandalism, opens the editor's talk and gives you a menu of warning templates.  It also automates reporting to WP:AIV and several other notice boards and in addition, automates the notices and reporting for any of the three deletion processes. Gtwfan52 (talk) 22:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The edit in question does not look like vandalism to me. It looks like an expression of enthusiasm regarding the subject of the article. It's not useful in any way, so blanking it from the talk page does not do any harm, but it's not vandalism. (See WP:NOTVAND.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)