Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 136

policy question/review
Hello,

I asked an admin who blocked a usera question reguarding his block actions, I am not contesting them, but I simply would like to know if this is traditional policy. In any case, teh admin has not responded, so I am hping to get an answer here. DIFF:. The blocked user had a promotional username and had created an article in their userspace that was promotional. however they had not edited the articlespace, which my understanding says is required before a block is put into place. Am I misunderstanding the policy? Now that I look at the created artile, while the user certainly violated the username policy, and potentially COI guidelines, the article was not particularly promotional. Im thinking that perhaps under WP:SPAMNAME the user should have been encouraged to change his username and watched to ensure that a complete, unbiased article was created. After all, they showed an attempt to create the article in ther namespace, which indicates an attempt to not be disruptive. Sephiroth storm (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict while you refactored your comment) Per Wikipedia's policy regarding names, usernames that "unambiguously consist of a name of a company, group, institution or product" are not permitted because they are considered promotional. "A user who both adopts a promotional username and also engages in inappropriately promotional behaviors in articles about the company, group, or product, can be blocked." It looks likely that this was a single purpose, promotional account and the user would continue to edit inappropriately even under a new username. Good block. Keri (talk) 16:34, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Besides which, I don't really think this is the right forum for this discussion. Out of courtesy you should at least notify the admin in question on his talk page that you have initiated a discussion about his actions. I am not a big fan of people using the Teahouse just to get a wider audience. Keri (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Remember also that the editor of whom you asked the question was not the admin who made the block, and in fact is not an admin at all. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, my reply to Keri disapeared. Thanks David, I don't know how I ended up on Pharaoh of the Wizards ‎page... I guess that is why he didn't respond. Keri, I did not intend to question his actions, my intent was to better understand the policies. Sephiroth storm (talk) 17:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

can i get help?
Sir, I am interested on Wikipedia. I have edit some Article. I have so many photos, which attract Wikipedia. But i can't past that. please help me for that job. i will wait your answer.

Rajeeb Bastola (lawyer) Kathmandu, Nepal [email address redacted]       — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.9.130 (talk) 15:08, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello. The ability to upload photos is one of the many benefits of creating an account. Please note that if you are uploading images, you will need to release them under a free copyright license. --LukeSurlt c 18:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Picture uploading on my clients wikipedia page Meghna Pant
Hi everyone.I am trying to upload a picture on Meghna Pant's wikipedia page.But it gets deleted. I have the permission to upload the picture from her website and other sources on the web.But it gets speedy deleted.Can someone give me a solution to this problem.60.254.28.141 (talk) 07:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you need to follow the steps at WP:DONATEIMAGE. Good luck! Biosthmors (talk) 08:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I know that this wasn't what you were asking about, but if you want to work on a page about your client, have you read Conflict of interest? While updating an image is something you may certainly do, you should be very cautious about making any other changes to that page. --ColinFine (talk) 09:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Gunder Frank's argument against Modernization theory
Andre Gunder Frank’s argument against modernization theory  Strong future international marketing group (Sfimg) I.D number 8700152. And Chair person and Founder of Displace and Uprooted Peoples Association International( D.U.P.A.I) Refugee I.D number 6808286538269 07:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommyunitedstates (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, Tommy. I'm not sure what is your question about editing Wikipedia. I'm guessing you might want something added to the article Modernization theory: if this is so, your best bet is to explain at the talk page Talk:Modernization theory what the change is that you would like to see. --ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Is my article close to getting "good article" status?
I edited an article that already existed (Stanley Park). I think I did a bang up job. I have a background doing substantive editing and spent about 10 days on it. Can someone take a look and tell me whether it's a contender for good article status and what I should do next? Rhild (talk) 04:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The lead of a Good article should summarize the content of the entire article. The current lead over-emphasizes comparisons to other major urban parks, and instead should concentrate on a concise description of this park. Some of the content pertaining to history seems to be more about the history of all of Vancouver than of the specific site that later became the park. The map that accompanies the section on World War II seems to show forts in coastal areas somewhat to the south, and does not seem to relate to the park itself.


 * I did not have the time for an in-depth review, but encourage you to read the Good article standards carefully, and make your own ruthless review of the article, being sure that the lead better summarizes the entire article, the narrative does not stray from the history and description of the park itself, and that the images are the ones that best illustrate the topic.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  04:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. I agree with the opening being too long. The history of the park is something that was there when I started, but (A) I don't feel comfortable removing it because it was already there, and (B) I think it provides some of the critical locations and uses for the park land that would not be documented in a history of the entire city. Stanley Park is not just any park. It was in the waters directly in front of the park where Aboriginal people met the explorer George Vancouver. George Vancouver even spent a night in the park. But it did cross my mind that this history doesn't pertain to the park in the strictest sense. But then again I am pretty sure it would cause a lot of upset if Inremoved it. I have already gone through and selected images that best demonstrated the topic. The WW2 map does illustrate a larger section of the city including Stanley Park (labelled Ferguson Point on the map). A lot of people do not believe or even know that there was a fort in Stanley Park and this is a very useful map because it indicates the placement of all the forts and how they worked in concert to protect the city which is just behind Stanley Park. Again, thank you for your comments. They helped a lot!Rhild (talk) 05:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not mean to imply that the lead section (the section before the table of contents) is "too long" as I think it could be longer. Rather, in my opinion, it overemphasizes comparisons to other parks when instead it should do a better job summarizing the full story of this particular park. If you believe the history section is important, then summarize it in the lead. But if you want to bring the article to GA standards, don't keep lesser quality content because some people might object.


 * You state that George Vancouver spent a night at the site (not the park, as it didn't exist then). I didn't pick this up in a quick read of the article and thought he had just sailed by. If this is well-documented, perhaps it should be highlighted a bit more.


 * Since I have only a sketchy understanding of Vancouver's geography, having never visited though I would love to visit that city, I had to compare the WWII map to several other maps to understand the relationship of the location of those forts to the park, which isn't labeled on the map. How could someone not from Vancouver possibly understand this map without study? Images are supposed to enlighten, not confuse. I don't recall the map showing a fort at the park, but maybe I wasn't reading it properly.


 * The image gallery at the end is not appropriate for a GA. Instead, the very best of the images should be placed in the body of the article at the points in the text where those features are described.


 * I wanted a more detailed and better referenced description of the model railroad. This may be because I am a bit of a rail buff.


 * Please don't interpret my off-the-cuff remarks as an actual GA review. Though I hope my remarks are helpful, I am just trying to get you to see the article from the point of view of an interested reader who knew nothing about the topic until your Teahouse question. Though I have mentioned perceived shortcomings, this is a very informative article, and I think that GA is an easily achievable goal for you. Good luck.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I have addressed the WW2 map, I believe. I did a bit of work on the summary and early history as well. Thank you again! Feedback is appreciated. Rhild (talk) 21:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Unsupported medical statement
The page for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_stone#Prevention states, "grapefruit juice, apple juice, and cola drinks." This is unsupported in any literature. It has been over a year shouldn't this be removed? Apple juice is used to soften stones Wlholmesiii (talk) 02:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It is actually in the "Causes" section, not "Prevention". I have added a reference for apple juice and grapefruit juice. The same reference indicates no significant difference with cola, so I have deleted that. Axl  ¤  [Talk]  09:22, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And there's an answer Wlholmesiii. Happy editing! Biosthmors (talk) 11:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This issue is not clear as the report states "it may." Recent studies have shown that Cola does attribute to the formation whereas apple juice and grapefruit juice showed no correlation.  This needs to be corrected to show it is a debate instead of a definitive statement. See "Soda and Other Beverages and the Risk of Kidney Stones" by Dr. Pietro Manuel Ferraro http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/early/2013/05/14/CJN.11661112.abstract Wlholmesiii (talk) 16:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't the talk page be a better place for this? Sephiroth storm (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * *sigh* You asked for deletion of unsupported information. I found support for some of the information and added that to the article. Now you are adducing a contrary source and asking for a revision. The reference that I added states "These prospective data ... suggest that ... greater consumption of apple and grapefruit juice increases the risk." I am only able to view the abstract of Ferraro's paper, so I am unable to verify its position. What exactly does it say? (Interestingly, Gary Curhan is an author of both papers.) Axl  ¤  [Talk]  18:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I submitted my article for creation but how do I post in talk?
Hello, I am in the process of writing an article on the 626 night market, an asian food festival in the Los Angeles area. I would like to be able to post in talk, but do not know where to start. Does the article have to be created first before I can post in the talk section? Cnlee103 (talk) 01:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome! I have just reviewed your draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/626 Night Market. I posted a few comments and advice for you in the review section at the top of the page. Unfortunately due to technical restrictions drafts at AFC don't have a separate Talk page (we are working on a solution) so we use a section at the top of the page for reviews and discussion while it is in AFC. The AFC Project also has a Help page where you can further discuss matters related to the draft - there is a link to the Help page in the pink review template. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Marsden Cricket Club Page
I am a member of Marsden Cricket Club. We have done a huge amount of research over recent months and have gathered an excellent club background. My notes were rejected and I'm not really sure what to do to ensure the page is created. Any help would be great.Chris Mann 14 (talk) 16:47, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Chris. Welcome. I am afraid your work is what we call original research and can not be used on Wikipedia. Only published material is used here. If you can find reliable independent sources about the club you may be able to meet notability requirements for inclusion.--Charles (talk) 17:09, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Or if the work should be published elsewhere first, as in a book or pamphlet about the club's history, it can be drawn on (not copied) to expand the article. Deor (talk) 00:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Use your research to write an article for a mainstream cricket magazine or a newspaper - then the Wikipedia article can cite the magazine or paper as a source. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

How do i engage with an admin over the content that is being removed?
I am trying to improve the clarity of a page: UK Power Networks. The changes i make keep getting reverted. We are not attempting to promote the site - just clarify that a DNO is not the same as an Electricity Supplier as a lot of readers do not understand this. We also put in external links to things like a Postcode checker to see if you are in the correct area for this particular DNO, which are helpful and useful but have been removed. Can anyone advise me on the best way to improve the content of this page. Tonard56 (talk) 11:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. It doesn't need an admin. The reversion of your additions was perfectly reasonable. There is already a link to Distribution network operator, & that is were the role of a DNO is explained; it doesn't belong in the article for UK Power Networks. If there were any need to discuss the question, the place to do it would be Talk:UK Power Networks. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:22, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Your addition of a link to the "postcode checker" is also not permitted because this is an encyclopedia, not a guide or help page for clueless customers - see WP:NOTGUIDE. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Would i be allowed to add a disambiguation to make clear the difference between DNOs (that build and maintain the cables and electrical networks) and Electricity Suppliers (who send bills to customers for the electricity they have used?)

This is a very important difference as a DNO will never be able to help customers with questions about their bills and yet they get thousands of calls about this. Tonard56 (talk) 17:46, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I am sorry, but Wikipedia does not exist to help your company reduce its volume of unwanted or misinformed customer phone calls. Our role is only to summarize what reliable, independent sources say about your company, not what your company says about itself or its customer relations problems.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  04:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does exist to inform its readers though - what we're attempting to do is inform readers about a complex and heavily regulated area of energy delivery and supply that currently causes them confusion. as long as we are avoiding promotion (hence this discussion) this should be acceptable shouldn't it?

81.27.71.2 (talk) 09:12, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

I nominated an article for speedy delete
I nominated an article for speedy delete. The article has already been removed. I forgot to get the diff to my nomination for the article (needed for an answer to an exam i am working on). Is it possible to get the diff now?And if so where do I find it. Thanks Tattoodwaitress (talk) 15:55, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse Tattoodwaitress. I think that would require an administrator (if it's even possible) and then the person who views the diff would have to be an administrator as well. Maybe it's a bad test question? What's the class? I'll post a pointer over here at WP:AN. Biosthmors (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see: User:Jackson Peebles/Adoption/Tattoodwaitress Final Exam. Biosthmors (talk) 16:32, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, my own fault should have gotten the diff immediately. No biggie i need the practice anyway. Thanks Tattoodwaitress (talk) 16:40, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe this is the diff and the content was:

== محمد حافظ ==

كاتب و صحفي سوري. ولد محمد حافظ ولد في الرياض وعاش، انتقل الى دمشق في سن الثامنة عشرة من عمره حيث درس الحقوق و لم يتمها لينتقل إلى قسم الصحافة حيث تخرج وحصل على البكالوريوس. زار لبنان و مصر و الاردن طيلة فترة دراسته و بعد تخرجه انتقل إلى السويد ثم اسبانيا حيث يقيم حاليا.

== كتاباته ==

كتاباته تملك طابعا شخصيا مرتبطة بالواقع فتراها تارة اقرب إلى الاحجية وتارة اقرب إلى الطرفة.

مدونته

Hope that helps, — Berean Hunter   (talk)  16:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought it was this. Anyway, I hope one of us found the correct diff. PhilKnight (talk) 16:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Notification to Tattoodwaitress that people replied here. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 07:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Awww Biosthmors, Berean Hunter and PhilKnight, you guys are awesome, thank you so much!! Tattoodwaitress (talk) 14:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I tend to disagree Eric, If I remember correctly our policy indicates that an edit summary is encuraged when reverting an edit. See WP:REVEXP. This provides an opportunity for discourse and indeed feedback for Editor A if a warning isn't left. Sephiroth storm (talk) 16:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Help.
How do I get back to the place where I chose what I want to fix on Wiki?


 * Hello anonymous person (please sign your posts on talk and discussion pages with four tildes ( ~ )). I'm not clear where it is you are trying to get to; but if you have made any edits to Wikipedia under the same login, you can find them by picking "Contributions" from the top of the page. (If you are not logged in, and are using a different computer, or you are connected in a way that does not preserve your IP address, then it might not be possible to find them: this is one of the advantages of creating an account). --ColinFine (talk) 09:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * (later) I've looked and seen that you are User:IAmTheOneWhoKnocks. So you should indeed be able to find your previous edits. --ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Your thoughts?
I came across this[| this] entry yesterday, and was struck at how unbalanced it was. In addition, it appears to be an attempt at historical revisionism. I don't really have a lot of time to spare, but I am compelled to spend some time editing the page in the immediate future. However, there appears to be a POV-pushing resident editor there. Already, I am encountering resistance with my single edit. How should I proceed here? Thanks. --Ratha K (talk) 06:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Ratha. You and Rahul are in danger of entering an edit war, with each side accusing the other of POV-pushing. Please review the procedure for WP:Dispute resolution. (Note also that your link above is malformed and does not work: for an internal link, use double brackets and a pipe, but just the page name, not a URL: this shows as this.) --ColinFine (talk) 09:56, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Colin. Thanks for your advise. I'll be sure to go through it. For the record though, I intend to go through the article next week. There are numerous misleading references there, and there is a clear and concerted effort at historical revisionism. Things might get a little patchy down there.--Ratha K (talk) 02:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Grammar question.
I was doing some quick work on the Michael Landon Wikipedia page. I noticed that in the article it would read something like- Landon's real life daughter Leslie. So I changed it to read Landon's Daughter, Leslie Landon. My question is this. Should one capitalize the word Daughter like I did when I wrote Landon's Daughter, or should it read Landon's daughter, with a lowercase d? I Googled the question of capitalizing the word daughter and I think I was correct,but I'm not sure. I know this is a trivial thing to ask but I don't want to use bad grammar or make the article wrong. Thanks. BeckiGreen (talk) 23:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Lower case d for daughter. Keri (talk) 23:55, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hiya Becki. The question is whether it is a proper noun or part of a proper noun phrase, as opposed to a common noun (in this case it's not, so as Keri says its first letter should be lowercase). Generally ask yourself: is the person, place or thing in a sentence you are looking at unique, or part of a class? That won't always get you the right answer but it'll work a lot of the time. Unique things are usually proper nouns (so are capitalized) and nouns that describe classes of things are generally common nouns (so are not capitalized). "It is in the c ountry of G ermany." (There are many countries but only one Germany.) "He was M ary and H enry's s on, D anny." (Mary and Henry and their son Danny are unique people but lots of people have sons.) Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both for answering my question. I was confused about the noun part, because I was thinking that Michael Landon was a noun, since he is a person. But I understand the way you have explained it and I changed the word daughter to lowercase in the Michael Landon Wikipedia page. Thanks again! BeckiGreen (talk) 02:01, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Becki. Let me Clarify. "Michael Landon" and "daughter" and "Leslie" are all nouns. Michael Landon and Leslie are proper nouns and so are capitalized (each identifies a singular unique person). Daughter is a common noun and so is not capitalized (it identifies a class type). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:08, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Contents box
How do I insert a contents box in a new article I am creating, please?Duncanharrington (talk) 22:51, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Duncanharrington and welcome to the Teahouse. Tables of contents will appear automatically in articles with four or more headings. There are some special commands to turn it on/off and change some things about it in various circumstances (see Help:TOC for this) however the default settings are usually OK for most articles. Cheers, --LukeSurlt c 23:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The reason a contents box hasn't appeared in Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Captain_H.C._Tippet is because you are using bold text in the article, rather than section headings. Replace these with  and a table of contents should appear. The draft will also look better too! --LukeSurlt c 23:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

How to submit to the Signpost?
How do I submit an editorial to the Signpost? -- 22:21, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi . I think you go to Wikipedia Signpost/Boneyard/Newsroom/Submissions. Cheers, --LukeSurlt c 22:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, as a secondary thing, your signature contains several linebreaks, which ends up looking a bit big in the code when edit source is used. Can I suggest changing it to . This should render exactly the same on the page. --LukeSurlt c 22:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Adding my occupation under my photo
I can't figure out how to add my Occupation under my picture. I went into the Edit Source and followed the format based on someone else's page. I added - "| occupation  = Illustrator, writer, character designer" to the row of descriptions (without the parenthesis) and it just doesn't show up. Please help. GB Dogjelly (talk) 20:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Which page are you talking about? Eric   Corbett  20:51, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello. You have declared yourself to be Gene Barretta. Wikipedia strongly discourages people from adding information about themselves (see Autobiography) as it is practically impossible to maintain a neutral point-of-view on oneself. --LukeSurlt c 21:13, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In regards to your specific query, the template parameter "area" was what was needed. For future reference, this question below is quite relevant to your situation. --LukeSurlt c 21:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer. I was adding to my own page, but ther ewas no concern for neutrality.  I was simply updating new book titles to my Bibliography a few new Awards and Selected Honors.  Somehow my issue has been fixed.  It must have been you.  Thanks!

GB 108.2.221.53 (talk) 22:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Editor attention
When you come across an article like World Mission Society Church of God and by the view of its history page and its talk page, and the big differences between then and now, get the impression, that special interest might have been on work, which instruments exists to attract the attention from uninvolved editors? Are there any particular template messages to deploy? Anywhere you can announce that the article could need four extra pairs of eyes? Best,  Sam   &#x1f3a4;  18:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Sam Sailor and welcome to the Teahouse. If you believe that editors have been pushing a point of view on an article and that more eyes may be needed there are a few things you can do and a few things you should not do. First, do not template the article in anyway just yet. Your first step would be to get more eyes on it and you can achieve this through neutrally worded post at one or all of the projects associated with the article. Make a post on the talk page of the article as well and see if there are others who agree with your concerns. Be aware, that these situations a filled with potential issues that could boomerang on you so caution is best taken. You might wish to attempt the Bold, revert, discuss cycle in this situation to find the most interested parties to begin discussion.-- Mark 18:51, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply . A couple of the things I have tried this time around, apart from answering to a newly opened talk page debate, was to reinsert maintenance template messages that had been removed without resolving the underlaying problems, and to add two s. I will heed your advise and go posting on those project pages. Best,  Sam   &#x1f3a4;  19:12, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Watching List
How can I exactly know who has me in their watchlist? I mean, is there an actual way?  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  18:30, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Watchlists are private I believe so such information won't be available. You can only see the amount of watchers not who they are through preferences. Mark 18:43, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * A watchlist does not contain individual editors; it contains articles and other Wikipedia pages. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:26, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I imagine Miss Bono may be asking if she can find out who has her talk page on their watch list? But the answer is of course no. Eric   Corbett  19:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Miss Bono. Many editors have their preferences set to add any page they edit to their watchlist.  So if an editor has had cause to correspond with you on your talk page, it would be an even bet that your talk page is on their watch list.  You have been on mine in the past, although I don't think you are now. Gtwfan52 (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks... Can I know how many users have me on theur talk page? Number not names :)  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * They can't have you on their talk page, but if you're asking how many users have your talk page watchlisted the answer is 50. There's a Page information option under the Toolbox on the left-hand side of your screen, which for any given page shows you how many editors have it on their watchlists. Eric   Corbett  20:18, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yup Watch Page... Sorry I was having a daydream about talk pages. Thanks, Eric Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:26, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * How is that I had 49 watchers and now 50?? In just minutes??  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:30, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe you're just a popular gal? Eric   Corbett  20:34, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I bet Jimbo is more popular lol :)   Miss Bono  [zootalk]  20:35, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure that the number of those watchlisting your talk page is a measure of popularity, but Jimbo has 2,940. So you've got a way to go yet. Eric   Corbett  20:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So you have 1.7 Centijimbos! :) --LukeSurlt c 21:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Source
Can editors add blogs as source in the Wiki Article. RouLong (talk) 18:02, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. Personal blogs may not be used to source facts, but may be used to source information about the blog itself (if notable) and if it is the official webpage for the subject, can be used to source some facts about the subject itself. Newsblogs can be used as a source but are opinion pieces much like an editorial section of a newspaper. When sourcing the opinion of the author in a newsblog, always attribute both the author and the news organization like: "John Smith of Metropolitan Dailey News suggested that..." Then add the newsblog as the opinion source. Such sources generally need to be pretty notable to be used in an article and may be challenged by others who may feel its inclusion is undue weight.-- Mark 18:32, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * thanks for all of the info.Much appreciated. RouLong (talk) 18:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

reuse and tag a picture
I'm working in the sandbox. I used a picture that I registered. I want to continue working on the article in the sandbox and reuse the picture. I also want to tag the picture to a website? How do I do these two things? Hmiller8513 (talk) 13:58, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Hmiller, and welcome to the Sandbox. I can't find any evidence that you have been working either in the (communal) sandbox or a user sandbox; but if you want to work on material that is not yet ready to go into the main article space, you can use a "user subpage", with a name like User:Hmiller8513/Name of my article. (That link is red at present, since the page doesn't exist, but if you pick it, it will let you edit the blank page and save it. If you are creating your first article, I strongly suggest you try using the WP:Article wizard.
 * I don't understand what you are asking about a picture. If you uploaded a picture to Wikipedia or Wikimedia commons (and it hasn't been deleted), you can use it in any article by simply using [[File:name of the picture]] (where 'name of the picture' must be exactly the name you gave when you uploaded it - spacing, punctuation and capitalisation all exactly right). I have no idea what you mean by tagging the picture to a website. --ColinFine (talk) 14:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

How to write first article?
I need to know how to write my first article. No, not any of Wikipedia's pages. I need a real editor to guide me. Bye! Philroc (talk) 12:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Philroc, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you look at Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area. --ColinFine (talk) 14:19, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you mean by a "real editor", but the best thing to do is to look at similar articles to the one you want to write and approach their editors directly on their talk pages. Eric   Corbett  19:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse!  For some general instructions on where to get started writing your first article, please read:
 * The golden rule
 * Your first article
 * Article creation wizard
 * Going through those links in that order is the best way I know of the create your first article! Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 01:34, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

How do i change an article's title?
I've been doing some editing on Ty Segall's musical chronology specifically, and i want to know how to change an article's title for consistency. Fetusrobot (talk) 05:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Fetusrobot. Pages are renamed by moving them to new target names. This procedure preserves the page's edit history (never rename a page by copying/pasting its content to a new page name). You can move a page yourself, but please first review Article titles. If you still wish to rename the page, go to it, click the drop-down menu at the top (near the History button and Watchlist star), and choose Move. You can then specify a new name for the article. The old page name will automatically become a redirect to the new page. However, if you think the move would be at all controversial you should request the move on the talk page using the Requested moves process. Even where a move is uncontroversial, if the desired target page name already exists and is other than a redirect with only one edit, you will need an administrator to move the page for you,  which can be requested at the technical requests section of requested moves. On an unrelated matter, unfortunately, through no fault of your own, your username is fairly clearly a violation of the user name policy, being one that could be "easily misunderstood to refer to a "bot" (which is used to identify bot accounts)". I personally have always found it distasteful to enforce the policy unless a name has something that smacks of bad faith about it, which yours does not, but I can tell you that it is probably only a matter of time before someone warns you to change your username, and that it will be blocked, so you might want to get ahead of that ball. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 09:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

How can I edit semi-protected pages??
Helios solis (talk) 02:21, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Helios solis. You will need to become autoconfirmed in order to edit semi-protected pages – an editing threshold that is passed (in most cases) automatically when you have made ten or more edits and your account is more than four days old. You have enough edits but your account is too new. You should become autoconfirmed at 06:20 (UTC) on August 25, 2013. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:20, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * But until then, you can request edits on the article's talk page. Use the template to call an editor's attention to your request. --ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Image placement
Can someone help me with this? I have added two images to an article section (they are entirely my work and i have released the copyright properly). The section was added to the very bottom just before the ref section and now I wanted at least one of the images to be placed on the left, however when i try to move either one of them it messes up placement of the ref section. How do you get around this? I just think it looks better when the images are not all on one side of the article. Article and section are here I hope my link works as there is no way to preview the question (not that i know of anyway). Thanks Tattoodwaitress (talk) 16:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I think that's a pretty intractable part of the way the page is arranged. If you'd be interested in having the images side-by-side, there's a template that can do that.
 * Thank you!Tattoodwaitress (talk) 15:51, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Can I submit for approval yet?
Hi Teahousers, in the rules & regulations I vaguely remember reading that 10 edits are required before an article can be submitted for approval. Is this correct? I've done 7 edits over 2 weeks but now the article is really finished, inclusive of photos & captions. Can I submit it? This is my first Wiki article so please excuse the confusion. With thanks. Mr Baulk-Line (talk) 12:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think that you would necessarily need the 10 edits to submit it for review, but it is certainly not fit to be submitted yet; definitely not "really finished". You need to read the various guidance links that were given in the welcome message on your user talk page, format the draft correctly, and include references to published reliable sources. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * ..., and are you sure that you own the copyright to File:Michael_Tandy_painting_falcon.jpg, if it comes from a newspaper? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I see that the file above has been deleted for copyright concerns. Are you sure about File:Michael Tandy's 2 bald eagle sculptures in USA.jpg, as that also comes from a newspaper? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 03:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

How can I get a page submitted for an organization if there are no published articles about it?
I wrote a page that was recently rejected because of a conflict of interest I have with the organization which I was writing about. The organization has its own website, but there are not any published articles about this firm. It is a small, privately-owned firm that does want a wiki page to provide information about what they do and how it was founded. How can I go about still getting a page for this firm? Osilauren (talk) 15:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Very simple; if there is no published information about the subject, then it can not have a Wikipedia article. If, in future, it becomes sufficiently notable to have information published about it, then someone can write an article about it. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response, David. Furthermore, would it be possible for me to change the wording to sound less opinionated or biased, in order to get some sort of Wiki site up for this firm? What are my other options to get something on Wikipedia about this firm? Osilauren (talk) 16:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * One more thing, does the fact that the firm has an established page on LinkedIn with verified connections, employees, and a company profile, account for any verification? Osilauren (talk) 16:11, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Are there any other options other than an article about the firm for me to get a Wikipedia page established for them? Osilauren (talk) 16:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Osilauren, the only option to get an article about the company published on Wikipedia is if the company meets Notability (organizations and companies). See WP:42. Linked in would not work for notability purposes. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 16:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Are there any other options other than an article about the firm for me to get a Wikipedia page established for them. I don't think so, but if you, Osilauren, stick around and help create other articles that should exist (and develop ones that do), you might learn a trick or two. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 16:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that Wikipedia is not interested in "getting a site up for this firm": that sounds like promotion, which is not welcome on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Competitors of the firm have their own Wiki pages up, and this is not a promotion. It is a source of information for those interested in what the company does and represents. Lauren 18:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osilauren (talk • contribs)


 * Not only was your material written in a promotional manner, but it turned out that the reason it was written in that manner was that it was copied from the firms's website and was thus a copyright violation. For that reason it has been deleted.  If people are "interested in what the company does and represents" they can look at the company's website.  You say "Competitors of the firm have their own Wiki pages up"; this might be for one of two reasons: either your competitors are more notable in Wikipedia's terms, or their pages have not yet been looked at so carefully, in which case Other stuff exists applies.  You have been given useful advice, both here and on your user talk page.  I would recommend that you read it. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Generally speaking, if you see an article for a company/organisation which does not have any references (footnote or just at the end) which clearly indicate that authorities, academic or journalistic, have written about them, you can paste the code  at the top, and they will be marked for WP:Speedy deletion. So if you see inappropriate company articles, please do help us by marking them accordingly. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:18, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * thanks for all of the info! Much appreciated!

Lauren 13:15, 22 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osilauren (talk • contribs)

Should edits from anonymous sources/IP addresses be removed or left alone?
Hi, In the past, I've seen pages where content has been added by anonymous users that never log in, and where their only means of identification is their IP address. Assuming the content added meets all WP policy and is properly cited, should we remove it or is it ok to just leave the material alone? And, if it needs to be removed, is there a policy tied to the reason? My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 21:53, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You should judge the edits on their merits, not on the identities of those who made them. Eric   Corbett  21:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. --FGuerino (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Article title
How to change the title of an article if it is misspelt? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 19:18, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Sriram Vikram and welcome to The Teahouse. The procedures are outlined in WP:MOVE. You can do it yourself if you have been a member long enough, or you can request that one of us make the change. You may need a reliable source stating that the change is needed.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Does that automatically change all the other pages from which this article is linked? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 20:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The changes in the other articles would have to be done manually. But at first, a redirect would get readers to the right place. There are situations where a new article would be created with the old title, which is why the changes should probably be made.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:01, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to find the pages that link to an article so that I can manually reedit the links? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 21:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * After the article has been moved and you try to access the article by the old title, you will see "Redirected from" followed by the old title at the top of the page. Click on the blue link and look for "What links here" on the left side of the page.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow! This is awesome. Loving wiki. I owe you a lot. Thanks -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 21:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I can not access my sandbox article for additional editing
I created my first article on Lewis D. Eigen in my sandbox. I then submitted it for review of new articles. I continued to edit and change it as I found gramatical errors and wanted to add new information.

That worked for a while but then instead of being able to edit my Source, I received the following message:

This sandbox is in the Wikipedia talk namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the This sandbox is in the User talk namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the User sandbox template. template.

I have not a clue as to which I should do and why. Nor do I have any idea of how to find my article (my sandbox) in Wikipedia Talk namespace.

Help would be appreciatedNed Fresius (talk) 17:00, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You can find it here Ned. I have removed the sandbox template which was causing the problem.--Charles (talk) 17:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

User page menu?
How do i put a menu box on top of my user page with links to my subpages? The Red WikiBaron (talk) 15:17, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Red Wiki Baron and welcome to the Teahouse. I think the easiest way to do that would be find a navigation at the top that you like, copy the code, and substitute your links. That's what I did - my navigation originally came from Rcsprinter123; I asked him if he minded if I copy it, he said no, and I did. I believe AutomaticStrikeout saw mine, and copied it to his. Basically, find one you like, and copy it over to your page (getting permission is polite, but not required).  Go  Phightins  !  15:46, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You can have a look at PageTabs and copy the skeleton from the documentation, then adapt it to whatever links you like.  Rcsprinter  (gas)  @ 16:41, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks. That's what I did

The Red WikiBaron (talk) 20:05, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Userpage layout
where can I find some different layout (templates) for userpages, like the one Irinholds has (the same I have)?? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Not answering the question..Just thought you were the actual Miss Bono which surprised me. Take care Dounai99 (talk) 16:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, You may try out User page design center. Happy editing!!!! Benison {'Talk with me'} 16:36, 23 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benison P Baby (talk • contribs)


 * Thanks :) <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  17:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Technical question regarding Template:Tracklisting
Hi teahouse, feels good to be back again.

Now to my question. Recently when I was working on the soundtrack section of a film which has 4 music directors. Now when I add music"n" to the tracklisting with the appropriate music director it doesn't show up!

Can anybody please go through the section and tell me how to fix it. I tried a few null edits but it doesn't seem to work.

PS - a TB would be most appreciated. <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0em 0em 0.8em,#FF4500 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#90EE90 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#696969">$oHƎM❊<font style="color:Gold">আড্ডা 12:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh fixed it! Just add music credits parameter and set it to yes. Done.

music_credits = yes <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0em 0em 0.8em,#FF4500 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#90EE90 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#696969">$oHƎM❊<font style="color:Gold">আড্ডা 13:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Photo
How can I add a photo? Also, I had a couple of issues with the John Barros post, I cleaned them up yet it's still full of unsightly warnings. What can I do?

76.118.178.183 (talk) 02:03, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there, and welcome to Wikipedia! To upload a file, you have to create a Wikipedia account, this is free to do and requires nothing other than a user name and password. Once you've done that, you can use the file upload wizard (a link to this is also located on the menu on the right-hand side of Wikipedia's pages) to add photos to Wikipedia. However, it is recommended that you upload it to Wikimedia Commons instead, so that it can be used in different language Wikipedias as well. Make sure that you own the copyright to what you upload, third-party copyrighted material should almost always not be added to Wikipedia - there's more information about this in the upload wizards.


 * Regarding the article about John Barros, you can remove the orange maintenance tags you are sure you have fixed by editing the article (the visual editor is harder to use for this so I recommend using the edit source button instead) and removing the templates for each tag, these are surrounded by . Don't just delete them all because you don't like the look of them, if you haven't really fixed a problem, your edit may be undone or the tags re-added. Be careful to not delete the red tag though, as this must stay on the article until the discussion on deleting the article is finished. You are welcome to participate in the discussion of the article on the articles for deletion page if you think it should be kept. Cheers, <font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#8B0000">Jr8825  • <font face="Trebuchet MS" color="#4682B4">Talk  05:19, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * One minor add-on to the excellent advice above. If you sign up for an account here and try to do the upload, your account will need to be four days old and have made at least ten edits before an upload will be possible (called autoconfirmation). This does not apply to uploads at the Wikimedia Commons. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia foundation support for overseas national sections - ?
I know I saw somewhere a bit about how there were supported positions and programs for working up international contributions and WikiProjects; not sure where I saw it or what it's called. I'm currently living in Asia and would like to stay, but without normal means of support (I'm older but have no pension etc). I'm in Thailand and have an interest in the Philippines due to friends there. and wondering in the said foundation support if non-nationals of those countries can be assisted in spending full-time or large-amounts of time improving and expanding articles for those countries; I remember what I read said in tandem with community and tourism and cultural organizations and so on, it wasn't clear as to who was eligible I think; as can be readily seen I have over 70,000 edits and have been an assiduous contributor in Canadian and British Columbia geography and history and native culture/political/government articles.....more than experienced and adept, in other words. On Philippines and various other international articles/sections I note a lot of deficiencies in English usage, and know I could be of great use in just fixing that and instructing and tutoring locals who are contributors. I just came down with a certain health problem that may require my return to Canada, as it happens to a similarly deprived, if not as impoverished, area and wonder if teh same may better apply there. I'd like to stay in Asia, though, and know how much Wiki work there is yet to be done in these parts, "looking for a way"....with base support under me I could maybe afford any further health problems that may occur (ask me in email if you want to know). This is a shot on the dark but I might as well ask; I've spent whole days working on Wikipedia for the last several years since joining, all without any income to support my time (and I mean "any income" not in reference to unpaid editing).....and wondering if there's a way I can continue to be useful without having the background strain of rent, food and medicine.......Skookum1 (talk) 08:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Skookum1, User:I'm Tony Ahn and User:Sky Harbor might be good people to talk with, so I've notified them of your post here. Biosthmors (talk) 12:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I was not informed per se, but I got the notification. :)


 * Anyway, I presume you're referring to the Research program, or the Education Program run by the Wikimedia Foundation. However, as far as I know, there are no supported positions for WikiProjects.  I'd love to get support from the Wikimedia Foundation for my editing activities, but I'm not counting on it.


 * Wikimedia Philippines, the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, does offer support for members (travel subsidies for traveling to Manila for Wikimedia events, reimbursements for participation as part of an official delegation, etc.), but not for the type of support you're looking for. That is, unless you're willing to jumpstart an Education Program here with the auspices of the Wikimedia Foundation.


 * (NOTE: I am speaking in a personal capacity, and not as the Secretary of Wikimedia Philippines. Thanks.) --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 13:12, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hm, ya thanks....I'm not sure what I read had to do with WikiProjects, as I recall it had to do with working with education or tourism authorities or community orgs or something, I'll just have to go find the section on the Wikimedia Foundation site and read it again, then come back......I know in some cases e.g. re museums and other institutions even in North America, people paid to work on Wikipedia content related to that institution are "OK as "paid" editors (even though their pay is not wiki-specific but part of larger institutional duties/responsibilities).....what I see is a huge gap in coverage of many countries and/or of English usage (in many countries, particularly South America even more than Asia).....and I remember something about programs to expedite the dedication of resources and efforts in those areas. I'm extremely prolific when I get going, as many in WP:CANADA can attest and in WP:IPNA and know that my wiki-addiction is powerful, and has gotten in the way of contract writing outside of Wikipedia and, well, daily life LOL....I guess I'm partly just looking for a way to justify (and afford) the amount of time and energy I know i'd put into "national projects" as I have in the past, to the detriment of my health and livelihood......not the first UGC site I've done that for; bivouac.com nearly drained me dry.....Skookum1 (talk) 06:46, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey Skookum1, I think what you're talking about is this: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedian_in_Residence Good health and good luck to you. Biosthmors (talk) 07:33, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If somehow you manage to set up a Wikipedian in Residence in the Philippines, Skookum1, please inform us so we may be able to discuss it and facilitate it if need be. :) (NOTE: Still speaking in a personal capacity, and not as the Secretary of Wikimedia Philippines.) --<b style="color:#0066ff;">Sky Harbor</b> (<b style="color:#0066ff;">talk</b>) 06:06, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

How do I create a talk archive page?
I was wondering how to create a proper talk archive page? I have seen a few help docs on how to create a talk archive page and not sure which one to follow. Casey.Grim85 22:52, 24 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casey.Grim85 (talk • contribs)


 * Hi Casey.Grim85, I believe all you need to do is simply edit the page to delete whatever you want to eliminate from the talk page. The version history (accessible via the "View History" tab at the top of every page) for that talk page will always allow access to anything you deleted.  --My Best --FGuerino (talk) 00:16, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Casey.Grim85, FGuerino's suggestion is valid, but by no means the only option. Take a look at Help:Archiving a talk page.  There are ways to archive with cut and paste, and also a couple automated options.  Howicus (talk) 00:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Possible link to virus on chinese article
Hello I was searching for cadmium rice on wikipedia and somehow got directed to the article for suichang county. When I clicked on the source it took me to a website that tried to redirect me and then my computer started acting funny (mouse didn't work) which has never happened before. I'm scanning for virusus now and still haven't found anything. Can someone please urgently check to see if the source is a virus injecting site? I wish to remain anonymous so please don't ask for me to sign :-)71.49.93.246 (talk) 20:50, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

My computer slowed down and a feature that wasn't on originally got turned on. And it slowed way down...Still checking for viruses (I am using 6 different ones to ensure I look for everything. Thanks71.49.93.246 (talk) 21:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing your concern here-- I've checked the two websites on the article using a few malware analysis tools, but neither of them appear to have any potential problems. Can another host run another check just to be sure? <font color="green" face="Candara">I, JethroBT  drop me a line 20:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi 71.49.93.246, welcome to the Teahouse. I believe I found the link you're talking about. It appears to just be a strange broken link. Even so, I've changed where the link points because the old link is not working. Perhaps the link just slowed down your computer? Howicus (talk) 21:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

FOUND A VIRUS..PUP.Optional.datamngr in two locations:HKCU\Software\Datamngr and HKCU\SOFTWARE\DataMngr_Toolbar....Can someone with experience please check again the site for this virus...Thanks guys71.49.93.246 (talk) 22:10, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

After the cadmium rice event I say a news story about wechat censoring their keyword searches worldwide...So I went and added that category to the page. Then it was reverted by someone who was using my same IP address but with a different username on wikipedia...Can someone please please look into this...I just reverted it back to the original so if it changes back please try to put a block on it...Thanks alot everyone.71.49.93.246 (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry false alarm..It was the website wiki that changed it back...my mistake because there was no description on the edit so I thought it was a malcious user....71.49.93.246 (talk) 22:24, 24 August 2013 (UTC)