Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 140

GA bot
I've started the good article review for Confiscated Armenian properties in Turkey, but for some reason the GA bot doesn't seem to be working. It didn't inform the nominator or transclude the review to the talk page, so I ended up doing both manually. The review doesn't appear to be acknowledged on the Good article nominations page either, and I'm a little concerned that the bot won't work when the article is passed or failed and will just remain on the list with the others awaiting review. --1ST7 (talk) 00:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi 1st7, thanks for bringing your concern. It's strange the GA bot isn't working-- I actually just started a review recently, and the bot worked correctly in notifying the nominator.  When bots like this one are not behaving as expected, it's usually best just to leave a note on the page for the bot itself  or on the owner's page, . I hope it can get resolved soon.  Thanks,  I, JethroBT  drop me a line 15:25, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


 * See Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations. Gandalf61 (talk) 16:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Submitted material
About a month ago I submitted biographaical material..I do not have a copy of it...How can I retrieve the material to review for editing purposes...The material was submitted as Al (Allen) Schwartz....my e-mail is (redacted)  my member name is Al Schwartz3 Correction e- mail should be (redacted)

Thank You, Al Schwartz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Al Schwartz3 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Al, and welcome to the tea house. I've removed your email address, as nobody will contact you by email, and this is a very public place to post email addresses.
 * I'm not sure how to answer your question: it is straightforward to search for the contribution history of your account (pick the 'Contributions' link at the top of the page) but this question is the first contribution you have made from this account; so if you posted something else, you must have done it under another account, or not logged in. Wikipedia doesn't really have a concept of "submitting" data - you just edit a page. Do you know which page you edited to put the data on? Was it biographical data to add to an existing page, or were you trying to make a new page? Without information like this, it is impossible to help you find your data. --ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I think this relates to User:Al (Allen) Schwartz - this is not a draft article but a user page. As it currently stands it is probably inappropriate as a user page and would be rejected as a draft article, the latter because as it doesn't cite any sources.--ukexpat (talk) 18:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Review of User:FGuerino/Information technology industry?
Hi,

I've been working to develop an article on the topic of the information technology industry. I'm getting close to the point where I'd like to submit it for peer review. However, before doing so, I'd like to do whatever I can to clean it up. I was hoping that I could kindly impose on some of you to take a look and offer whatever suggestions you might have for improving it.

Thanks, in advance, for any help you can offer.

--My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello! Welcome to Wikipedia Teahouse! Before submitting an article to AfC (Articles for Creation), you have to make sure it complies with core content policies, which are: having a neutral point of view, comes from reliable sources and must not contain original research. I would make sure the article your about to submit matches those criteria. Always try improving and updating articles. Also make sure your article is not too long to read and is easy to navigate too. Good luck on the AfC!! ///Euro Car  GT  21:26, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi ///Euro Car ,


 * Thanks for the quick response. Yes, I've been doing what I can to achieve, both, a neutral POV and ensure there's no original content.  I've been staring at the article for months and it gets harder and harder to see things because I'm too close to the material, which is why I reached out to members of the Teahouse.  Hopefully, all of you will start to catch things that I'm missing.  If you see anything specific that I can address immediately, please let me know and I'll do what I can to fix it. -- My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 22:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * In this sentence:
 * "On May 22 of 1973, Robert Metcalfe published a memorandum at Xerox XRX +0.5% Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) that is considered to be the documented invention of Ethernet."
 * What does the XRX +0.5% mean? Is that a stock quote? DPRoberts534 (talk) 04:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi DPRoberts534, I've corred this. Thanks for catching the error.  --FGuerino (talk) 11:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The table of contents is daunting. I recommend that you simplify the article as much as you can and reword the section headers so they are shorter. DPRoberts534 (talk) 04:21, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi DPRoberts534, This is a tougher issue to deal with. The topic, itself, is a larger one as industries are very large topics to write about.  However, I keep working to find ways to consolidate and optimize.  Thanks. --FGuerino (talk) 11:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Ceiling fans?
I know I'm new here, but what's with people adding videos of ceiling fans? EvergreenFir (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I for one don't know EvergreenFir. I'm not sure if I recall seeing one or not! Biosthmors (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Just seen one in some pizzeria page. Some users are spamming those YouTube videos of ceiling fans in the external links section. I'll just give them a warning, and if persistent report to admins. ///Euro Car  GT  19:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've see it a few times now, Mohonk Mountain House‎ being the most notable for its persistence. I was just wondering if this is some meme or troll thing on Wikipedia. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure, we can't assume if it's some troll or meme activity. However it's very disruptive. Any external links that doesn't relate with the subject in the article is a violation of external link policy. By looking at the Mohonk Mountain House page history the user who put up the link is most likely block evading. ///Euro Car  GT  23:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is a meme . King Jakob  C2 00:08, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Rickrolling is so passé.--ukexpat (talk) 14:06, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Help with Wikitable
Hey. It's Philroc again. How do you put 2 or more junctions into one location? Thanks! Philroc (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Philroc, it sounds like you want rowspan and colspan to merge table cells. See Table cell and Help:Table. Does that help? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I tried reading them, but they're all too technical. Can you give a simple tutorial on how to do it? Philroc (talk) 13:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know which part you have problems with. I think it's better if you say exactly what you want in which article so we can show you how to do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I was making my SR 623 section in List of secondary state highways in Virginia. I had transcluded Template:Jct onto a table listing the major intersections of the route. In the beginning, two junctions were in the same location, but I couldn't make it so that they were both in the same cell. Can you teach me how to do that? Philroc (talk) 13:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid it's still unclear what exactly you want. You didn't name any cells and List of secondary state highways in Virginia is confusing. The third column has heading "Destinations" but mostly consists of numbers. Wikipedia has millions af articles and I'm familiar with table syntax but not road articles. If all you want to do is use Template:Jct twice in the same cell then it isn't really a table issue. Just place  after the first use. But I suspect you want to restructure the table in a way that isn't clear to me. If you want to do the same as is already done for Scottsville then click edit and see how it was done with rowspan=2 in the first two cells. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That's because I tried deleting the "Miles" column because there weren't really any mileposts on SR 623. By the way, I got the table from the SR 6 article. Philroc (talk) 14:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The table structure is getting worse and I still don't know what you want. SR 6 is a redirect to List of highways numbered 6. Maybe you mean Virginia State Route 6. Click edit to see how the table was made with rowspan and colspan. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The table is still a mess and most of it is apparently about Virginia State Route 6 and not about the roads in the article, so I have moved it to Talk:List of secondary state highways in Virginia. You can work on tests and drafts at User:Philroc/sandbox and copy them to an article when they work. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

indenting a paragraph
How do you indent a paragraph on a wikipedia page? Thank you.Lhegtvedt (talk) 23:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You can just insert a colon at the beginning of the line (like I did with this comment). Note, however, that you should not indent a new paragraph in an article, our Manual of Style notes that "Between paragraphs—as between sections—there should be only a single blank line".  (See MOS:PARAGRAPHS.)  Other kinds of indentation include the numbered list, which works by beginning the line with a # instead of a :, bullets, which use a * instead of a :, and block quotes, which are explained at Template:Quote. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 01:02, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

New editor exercise coming 7 September for "Software testing"
Hello Teahousers,

There is a long-standing group of software testers who meet every month, and this month they intend to update the information in the articles on Software Testing and related information, while using the new VisualEditor as newbies. I've left a note on the talk page, but any other support that might be warranted would be welcome.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Software_testing#Weekend_Testers_America_to_edit_on_this_subject_7_September_2013 Cmcmahon (talk) 22:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

New article
I have started work on a new article in my sandbox. I have added one reference and several links but I keep getting a citation error message even when I have fixed the problems. Could you have a quick look at it please? 11:51, 5 September 2013 StephenClen (talk) 11:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. The problem is that you've got an extra after the . - David Biddulph (talk) 11:59, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The error message help page says "This message may also show if there are tags after the reference list markup". Gandalf61 (talk) 12:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I will delete the extra .StephenClen (talk) 23:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC) I have moved your reply to the section where I think you intended it, and I have also added    tags so that readers can see the text you wrote: " ". - David Biddulph (talk) 02:36, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Featured list
I created List of covered bridges in Columbia County, Pennsylvania a while ago. Is it possible that it would pass a featured list nomination? Thanks, King Jakob  C2 11:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * My impression from looking over the article is that it is a great start but that it would not meet the criteria at this time. One of the criteria is that the lead be engaging. This is very subjective, but I noticed that at least one transportation-related list was de-featured for starting with "this is a list of ...". The presence of a red-link in the lead is going to be a problem. Many featured lists include extra images outside the table itself to illustrate the article. In your list a map might be appropriate, as well as photos of historical artifacts and hurricane damage. You will need to go into more detail about the weather damage and repair. Your list of sources needs more breadth. I know that's a lot to pile on you, but take it a step at a time, call in help when you need it, be patient and persistent, and you will get there. I also recommend following the candidate list to make sure you have addressed all the concerns the reviewers there are likely to bring up. Best wishes! DPRoberts534 (talk) 16:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

How to find out about the status of of my submitted Wikipedia article?
Hi, I'm trying to find out the reviewing progress for my submitted Wikipedia article around the Wikipedia website but unable to look for answer. I need help here. Please advice. BELLO2 OFFICIAL (talk) 09:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You will find your contributions listed at Special:Contributions/BELLO2_OFFICIAL, which you can find by clicking the "Contributions" link at the top of any Wikipedia page. In this case I guess that the draft article about which you are asking is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bello2. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:46, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, David! You've been a great help. BELLO2 OFFICIAL (talk) 10:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You'll also want to change your username (see the instructions at WP:CHUS). In short, names implying an official position are forbidden, as are usernames that represent a product or website. King Jakob  C2 11:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

How to create a page that already exist in another language?
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and I want to create a page that already exists in English language in another language, ex. Albanian, Macedonian. Could you please show me how! Bayern26 (talk) 01:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello! Welcome to Teahouse. There is a feature called "Transwiki", which is copying and moving articles or pages from a WikiMedia project to another WikiMedia project. I recommend you read WP:CWW for more information regarding TransWiki. Copying_within_Wikipedia says, "If copying or moving via "transwiki" from another Wikimedia project that is licensed under CC-BY-SA (such as Wikimedia Commons, Wiktionary, and Wikispecies), you may satisfy attribution either by providing a complete list of authors of the original content (the complete list can be generated by copying the history of the remote page) or by providing a direct link to the original material." Then after use the Template:Translated page template to do the translation. It's quite easy and simple! ///Euro Car  GT  02:20, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * To clarify one point in the reply above, Template:Translated page does not automatically do the translation for you; it merely gives you a means of providing the necessary attribution to the source article.
 * For more information on translation, see Translation. Bear in mind also that each language's Wikipedia has its own rules, such as for notability, and its own manual of style, so a simple translation from one language to another may not satisfy the requirements of the destination Wikipedia. Images are another problem, in that an image loaded into one specific language Wikipedia cannot be used in an article in another language. Only images uploaded to Commons (for which the licensing restrictions are more stringent) can be used across all Wikipedias. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking at this again, I think that I (along with the previous respondent) may have misread the original question. If you are talking about translating an article from the English Wikipedia to another language, the guidance is at Translate us. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Bayern26. I created a simple intro at User:Biosthmors/Your first article you might find helpful. Biosthmors (talk) 11:05, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Google and Infobox
How do I edit my article so the Infobox shows up in Google search? MC Potbelly 04:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcpotbelly (talk • contribs)


 * Can you give an example of an article where this is a problem, and the Google search to find it? DPRoberts534 (talk) 04:22, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


 * We don't have any control over Google's search, so there's no formula we can give you. I assume you're talking about the information box that shows up for many subject searches?  Google does often use Wikipedia's information, taken from the infobox, for many subjects.  There are, however, a few subjects for which it pulls information from other sources or doesn't provide a block of information at all.  If the infobox for your article isn't showing up, it could be because a) it's a new article/infobox and Google hasn't found it yet; b) it doesn't have a high enough search rating for Google to use it; c) Google fond a source it prefers to Wikipedia; or d) Some other reason we may never guess.  The only advice I can offer, unfortunately, is to sit back and wait - there's a good chance that Google'll pick it up, though it might not.  Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 04:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


 * In my experience, data fields in the Google box looking like an infobox is often not based on the Wikipedia infobox. When people post help desk complaints about errors in the Google data, we often reply with Template:HD/GKG. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Really? I knew they used information from the article, so just assumed that much of it was from the infobox.  Either way, I suppose the answer is still "wait and see - they may or may not use it", but I'll consider using Template:HD/GKG in the future.  Thanks. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 00:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Delete on IPad 1 and 2
Dear someone, I want to delete many letters on an IPad 1 or 2?thanks.jjbernardiscool (talk) 15:46, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, J.J. Bernard and welcome to The Teahouse. Is this a question about how to use Wikipedia on iPad? If so, WP:VPT may have the answer. If not, try the computing reference desk.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:12, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Introduction of the published books
Hi. My books are published with Amazon. I want to introduce the titles and the cover pages of the books to the public for a reference and for a free use. Is it a conflict of interest?

Last month, I presented a synopsis of the book, the titles, and a brief introduction of the author. They were deleted, because they were assumed to be articles written by an author about him/herself. That was not the case; a wrong interpretation of my objective. Wikipedia has pages that introduces authors and their work, i.e., Margaret Mitchell, or Victor Hugo, etc.

Now, I intend to submit a description of the main topics of my books, the titles, and the cover pages of them. Is it permissible?

Thank you, User: Dr. Hossein Manoochehri, Ph.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Hossein Manoochehri, Ph.D. (talk • contribs) 07:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the first thing you have to consider is that as the book's author you have a conflict of interest, and editing Wikipedia with a COI is strongly discouraged. There is not much guidance I can give you on this, unfortunately. As to whether your books are eligible to have their own articles, please see the notability criteria for books. DPRoberts534 (talk) 08:08, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

mathematics - unit vectors
let u = i - j, v = i/2 - j/3, and w = si + tj. find the values of s and t such that: a) w = u/2 - v/3. b) w is the unit vector in the direction of u/4 - 5u/7. c) the angle between w and 2u - v/3 is π/4 and w is perpendicular to -u + 4v.41.72.105.131 (talk) 18:31, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * This looks like it may be a homework question, but please note that we won't do your homework for you.--ukexpat (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * This is an editing question place, not a teacher!jjbernardiscool (talk) 15:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to The Teahouse, 41. We have a Mathematics reference desk but the above comment by Ukexpat still applies.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

retrieved saved article
I am a novice who created an article in my own Sandbox and saved it. Returning to Wikipedia and my sandbox, I can't find the article anywhere nor is it reported as deleted.

Where might I look for a saved article?

Alice1938 (talk) 02:56, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Alice. I'm stumped. I have looked at your contributions and deleted contributions (you have none), which means under *this account name* at *this project* it looks like the page was never created. I also looked at your global contributions, as people occasionally create pages at other projects by accident, but found none as well (though I can't look for deleted contributions outside of this project). Barring oversighting (which is very rare and unlikely here), or the scenario were you were using a different account name or not logged in when you made the edits (if so, tell us the name or identify the IP address), it looks like the page was never saved, despite that you think it was. Sometimes, if you take a long time before saving, even if you click the save page button, you will get a message not unlike ""Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data." In such cases you might think you saved but it never "took". It is incredibly frustrating when you lose material you've worked hard on and it's unretrievable. Wish I could give you a magic pill but it looks like it's gone. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:21, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Dear Alice: Welcome to Wikipedia! It looks like you forgot to log in before writing your article. It was saved under your IP address at User:24.12.186.51. I have moved it to your user page, since it's about you. The sandbox is more for working on articles or testing out how things will look. I think Fuhghettaboutit couldn't find it because I was moving it just then. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:29, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked at that, but didn't think that looked like an article draft, just an attempt at a userpage blurb. If that is it, all's well that ends well:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Peer review
Hi, I am not sure if I am able to request someone to do a peer review for me. If it turns out I can, thanks, I will ask here (but I don't want to make a mistake). Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 15:04, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I am enjoying a hot cup of Twinings English Breakfast at the moment. I, or someone else here, can take a look at your article, suggest directions for improvement, and answer any questions you have about it. If you would like a more detailed review, list it at WP:REVIEW. Before listing it, they recommend you read this Signpost article and address as many of the issues listed there as you can on your own. DPRoberts534 (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have been to the Teahouse before, indeed, am a host, but thanks for the welcome. I have looked at those issues, and I think it is OK. I will put the article here, and apologise if it isn't OK: the article is Clarence Chesterfield Howerton. Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  16:19, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the swift response though. Twinings is a nice make of breakfast tea, I have to agree. Mat  ty  .  007  16:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Twinings is my favorite. The real stuff, though, not the leftovers they sell in the USA. DPRoberts534 (talk) 16:44, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Rather nicely written. I have a few suggestions for improvement. The reliance on primary sources in certain sections is conspicuous. I would simply remove the grave and census content if the information was not published elsewhere. The image in the lead is fantastic and really gives a good sense of the subject. Since Howerton performed in the 1920s, you might be able to find more public domain images. I think adding more quality photos would make this article stand out. Finally, I would have liked to have seen more detail about his film roles. DPRoberts534 (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will copy this to the page, and attempt to address the issues. Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  16:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Need to capitalise a title and can't
HI all.

I was curating Mani nouri, which needs it's title capitalised, but couldn't. I tried , but that didn't work.

What should I do? I didn't want to create a redirect. William Reid Boyd (talk) 11:02, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone else fixed it. See Help:move for information on how to move pages in the future. Adabow (talk) 11:22, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Thanks, I'll take a look. William Reid Boyd (talk) 12:32, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.
My article about Frederick Bee has this message, "This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page." I could not find issues listed in the article. MC Potbelly 10:43, 7 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcpotbelly (talk • contribs)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ ). I have removed the multiple issues tag, and added a tag which says that the writing needs to be less like a list. Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  13:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Dealing with conspiracy theorists and racists (not mutually exclusive)
Any suggests on dealing with someone who believes and promotes racist propaganda? In this case, the user believes that Whites are being subjected to genocide in South Africa. So far, it's mostly contained to a talk page, but this user has tried to edit other pages with this info. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi EvergreenFir, you do seem to come across some interesting users. I would point them towards our Wikipedia is not a soapbox policy and reinforce what is a reliable source. If they persist in using Facebook then a block will almost certainly be forthcoming after a fourth-level warning. Discussion such as the one you've pointed to, if it occurs on article talk pages, can be reverted based on Wikipedia is not a forum and the user given escalating warnings as no improvements can be credibly discussed using Facebook as a source. -- Neil N   talk to me  01:20, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol, this is what I get for watching the new user creation log. Thanks for the info. I will keep an eye on their edits and be as civil as possible. The WP:NOTFORUM is a useful one that I didn't know about. Thanks! EvergreenFir (talk) 01:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The folks at WP:WikiProject South Africa might also be able to help - and would in any event probably like to know about it if someone is causing trouble in "their patch", so please drop a note there too. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle and Watchlist
Sorry for all the questions.

I've been using Twinkle and every time I edit a page, it adds it to my watchlist. I've gone to my preferences and told it not to (everything is unchecked under the Watchlist tab), but it keeps doing it. Am I missing something? EvergreenFir (talk) 03:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey EvergreenFir. I have no input to offer on my own behalf, but this problem has come up before and those in the know have offered solutions. See Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 30, Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 20 and Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 13. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:05, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. It only seems to happen when I rollback I noticed. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Does WP cater to personal requests?
Does WP remove information if the relatives of the subject of an article request it? In this case, the children of a person want their names removed from an article. See here. To me, it seems like it should not be removed. EvergreenFir (talk) 02:28, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Evergreen-- the answer to your question depends on a few factors. The Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons in regards to names states When the name of a private individual has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed, such as in certain court cases or occupations, it is often preferable to omit it, especially when doing so does not result in a significant loss of context.  So it depends on whether or not reporting their names is relevant based on what reliable sources have covered and whether removing their names is a loss of context.  I, JethroBT  drop me a line 02:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello . Each situation has to be considered on a case-by-case basis. There are many cases where the children of a notable person are discussed extensively in reliable sources, and are an integral part of their life story. This does not seem to be such a case.


 * In this particular case, the names and birth dates of the children were unreferenced in earlier versions of the article. The source of the information appears to be personal knowledge by the original writer of the article, as shown in edit summaries, and according to that person, these non-notable people want this unreferenced and therefore unverifiable information removed. As I read our policy on biographies of living people, there are several good reasons to keep this information out of the article, and no good ones to keep it in. As for whether we "cater to personal requests", in my opinion no more so than I am "catering" to you by answering your question. I prefer to think of it simply as being helpful.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  03:09, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both for your input! Trying to get my head around Wiki's policies. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Columns. That is all ;- )
Hey Jim and friendly Teahouse folks,

All I am looking for is the wiki markup for breaking a long list into 2 or 3 columns. I know I've seen it on other articles and I even remember seeing "col" markup but I've gone through Manuel of Style and associated Layout and Formatting and can't find this information anywhere.

I really only come here when I search and can't find the answer myself! Thanks for any answers you can provide. Liz Read! Talk! 19:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . Though I don't use the technique myself, I hope that you will find Help:Columns to be helpful regarding columns.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  19:45, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Jim. Much appreciated. It's frustrating to do all kinds of searches on Wikipedia where you think something will be and come up empty (this happens to me all.of.the.time with Wikipedia-related pages). Then to find it's a Help Page? I never go to Help, I assumed it is mostly introductory information. The information on that page you directed me to wasn't what I needed but it led me to Templates that had a wide variety of markups to achieve columns. I don't think I would've stumbled on to them without that first Help page.
 * On my Talk Page, I was trying to explain how confusing Categories can be and came up with at least 20 categories that could be applied to an actor's WP article, depending on her/his career. It was just a long list and so it looks much better now that it's in three columns.
 * Thanks again! Liz  Read! Talk! 20:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

wikicommons
I recently came across an image uploaded in commons citing its been owned by the uploader. But the image has a digital watermark of an entertainment website. And since its in commons, I'm unable to add any 'digital watermark' tags to it. -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 07:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . In my opinion, the watermark is a strong indication of a possible copyright violation. See WP:WATERMARK. Wikimedia Commons is a separate project with its own administration. I suggest that you report the problem with the specific image there.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  07:25, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thats what I thought. The uploader seems to be using a bogus account. Anyway, where should I report it? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 07:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Sriram, welcome to the Teahouse. To change the tags on this image, you must click the link to go to the description page on Commons. Before editing on Commons, you should log in there. Before you do this, you should enable unified login. Visit the page Special:MergeAccount and follow the instructions there. Then you can go to commons.wikimedia.org and log in using your Wikipedia username and password. Hope that helps! DPRoberts534 (talk) 07:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. I also stumbled upon an article with so many 'free' images that seems to be taken from the subject's official website. -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 07:36, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Webcite not working
Hello hosts and parasites,

webcite archive page is unavailable but I need to archive an URL which is going to get deleted after 24 hours. What to do? Is there any other alternative available? <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #6C0, -4px -4px 15px #F63;"> Sohambanerjee1998  06:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello . I believe that the archiving service, which is unaffiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation, is having financial problems. I recommend that you cite the website as thoroughly as possible: site name, publisher, city, article or item name, author name, copyright date, and so on. Also include a two or three sentence quotation supporting its use in the article.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  07:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Is there a template for self-disclosing a relationship to a subject of an article?
I have over 4500+ edits on en.wikipedia.org, so I have been around for awhile. I often specialize in improving citations for articles. Occasionally I find myself editing an article for which I may have a connection. For example, I recently edited an BLP article whose subject was honored a couple of years ago by an organization that I recently joined. I also joined an art museum recently & hope to do some GLAM work with the museum. I like to view my edits as objective, but, nevertheless, I would like to self-disclose any connection, no matter how remote, with articles that I edit. I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any templates for this. Some of the templates that I have examined, such as Template:Connected contributor, seem to be be designed for identifying others, & not for self-disclosure.

If there is not such template, perhaps I can design my own. Before I did that, though, I thought I would check here first.

Peaceray (talk) 00:06, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Peaceray! An admirable desire, though I think many would find the type of COI you are disclosing on the extreme mild end. Anyway, I have just searched high and low and found nothing, though I really thought such a template would exist. There is Request edit but it's not what you're after. If no one else turns one up I think creating such a template would be a good idea. I would be glad to help or give feedback if you post a draft. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:57, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You don't need a template, . Just mention this on your user page. That's what I do.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  06:50, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You also might mention your connection on the article Talk Page. But really, if you are this conscious about a possible COI, you are likely to work hard to be objective. The harder cases are when people are not forthcoming about their participation in a project, company or event. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 19:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

What becomes of Wiki articles which have been superseded by subsequent articles?
What becomes of Wiki articles which have been superseded by subsequent articles? About a decade I submitted a poorly documented but accurate article about the life & TIMES of Pope Adrian IV, Nicholas Breakspeare. Does it still exist in cyperspace? Peter WilsonPmwilson84 (talk) 17:22, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Peter, welcome to the Teahouse. Unless the edit is oversighted (which rarely happens), every version of every Wikipedia page is kept and can be accessed. You can access your own submissions by clicking on the date links in Special:Contributions/Pmwilson84. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  17:34, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Our article on Pope Adrian IV goes back to September, 2001, and was originally created by . If that is an old account of yours, then the complete history is available at the article, back to the earliest edit. If you created an article with a different name, it may have been merged into the current article or deleted as redundant. In recent years, deleted articles are preserved and can be viewed by administrators. I am not sure whether that was the case in the earliest years of Wikipedia.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  17:43, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it possible you are thinking of your post to the talk page of the existing article on January 15, 2006, in which you suggested text? The page as you edited it can be seen here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You win today's shiny new junior detective badge, .  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  07:34, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * :-) I must admit I had help with this one.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:33, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Very cool!  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  04:34, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Refrence Desk Questions
Last time you said my questions were fit for the Reference Desk but how do you ask a question on there? IGotProof (talk) 13:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It's very similar to asking a question here at the Teahouse. Go to the appropriate Reference Desk (for example, Reference desk/Entertainment for questions about sports, popular culture, movies, music, video games, and TV shows), click on the "Ask a new question" button, type in the subject line and the text of your question, sign with ~, and click on "Save page". Gandalf61 (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * In accordance with the instructions at the top of that page, first you search to see whether an answer is already available on Wikipedia. If not, then where it says "For information on any topic, choose a category for your question:" you choose a category for your question. Having done that, when you have read the further instructions, you can use the button labelled "Ready? Ask a new question". - David Biddulph (talk) 13:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I just added a bit of new info on the page "Golem" in the section on popular culture 1991-2000 and am getting stopped with a "too many characters" error on one of my citations (added today, 9/7/13). I don't actually see my problem on the specific help page it links to. Could someone take a peek or otherwise help me out?Minissa (talk) 00:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have your edit. You had an incorrect syntax for your attempt at using the tag; I would recommend that you read WP:Referencing for beginners. You have supplied a bare URL, so I would recommend that you expand the information, most easily done by the use of the undefined template. I also removed your attempt to sign with 4 tildes; we do that on talk pages & discussion pages like this, but not in articles. As a final point you seem to have added this question to a discussion from a few days ago an another topic, which is why your question wasn't noticed earlier; in future, if you have a new question, start a new section and then you will hopefully get a prompter answer. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:21, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you (to David Biddulph) for the clarification and for correcting. I will go and study the page you referred me to before I post again.Minissa (talk) 21:18, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

for official responses send certified letter to wikimedia
I emailed wikimedia and explained my acting credits were attributed to another actress who shares my name and happens to have died before some of the productions or movie attributed to her were performed or filmed.. I want my own biography and my credits deleted from the dead actress's article and listed in mine. I have been awarded the Los Angeles Drama Critics circle award and was a Ny Drama Desk Award Nominee.and have appeared in many Original Broadway musicals and played one ol the mothers, Lucy in the movie Weird Science..I was notified in a Wikimedia email that - needed to send a certified letter to Wikimedia Org. Because th person who read my email was a volunteer and any reply wasnt necessarily OFFICIAL. THAT A LETTER THRU THE USPO CERTIFIED WAS THE WAY TOGO. Ironic..Anyway is there something important I should put in the letter..likecopies of contracts or play bills or should I just wait to hear what you need to create a bio.page for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.28.115.117 (talk) 04:26, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! This is a forum for answering editing questions from new editors.  It is staffed by volunteer editors that have no connection to WMF other than the fact that we are Wikipedia editors; unpaid volunteers with no clue as to the business workings of WMF.  Also, from what you have written here, there is no way to tell who you are so we could possibly address your concerns with whatever article(s) you are concerned with.  If you do not wish to disclose that, then your best option I would say is to respond to the letter you are talking about.  For more information about the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), see their article here on Wikipedia, Wikimedia Foundation.  We really don't have much to work with from what us unpaid volunteers have knowledge of and what you have told us, so I hope this is of some help. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want Teahouse volunteers to investigate the article in question, then you will have to tell us who you are. We have an essay on this type of situation called Don't build the Frankenstein, which cautions us against combining facts about two people with the same name into a single article. For more information on the process for verifying your identity, please read WP:OTRS carefully. Thank you.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  06:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


 * 68.28.115.117, has the Internet Movie Database got it sorted out right? Although they are typically not considered a reliable source, in your letter or email, you could list the different pages for the various people who share your name and identify which person is you. If IMDb doesn't have it straight, I'd work on changing that site as you can submit changes fairly directly (which is why it's not always considered a RS). But I know from experience that IMDb is used to having many people in the entire movie-making business sharing a name and work to keep the identities straight. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 19:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

How do I remove the "User:" from an artist page I am trying to create?
I just want the title to say the Artist's name and not the "User:" and then the artist name. I'm just trying to turn the talk page into an artist page.

Farah Burns (talk) 03:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)Travis Farah Burns  (talk) 03:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Farah. You have submitted a draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Farah Burns, and that will be reviewed. You ought to read WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners, and I have provided further links on your user talk page.  You have got confused on User:Farah Burns, as that is the user page designed to say something about you as a Wikipedia editor. Furthermore, if you are writing about yourself, you need to read WP:Autobiography and WP:COI. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Providing content to an author of a WP article to allow them to update
Hello, all.

During a recent web-surf of Wikipedia, I came across an entry for "Wharton Place", an old house on the Eastern Shore of Virginia.

The article appears to be part of an effort undertaken by the National Register for Historic Places to enter the information from the applications used for their registered historic places.

There has been considerable research undertaken on Wharton Place since it was added to the register 40+ years ago which corrects long-standing factual errors regarding the house, its builder, architect, etc.

Is there a way to provide the research to the contributer for the Wikipedia article for their consideration and use to update the page?

Thanks. JaypegErange44 (talk) 22:01, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! There are a few ways you can help to correct the article. One is to write a note on the article's talk page. Just click the Talk tab at the top of the page. When you get there, click the New Section button at the top and write a message explaining your concerns. Please note that articles should be based on information found in reliable sources. If you can, list pointers to news articles or books where updated information can be found. To flag down other editors to help fix the problem, you can add this text to the top of the article itself: " ". If there are specific incorrect statements within the article, you can also add "  " after each disputed sentence. DPRoberts534 (talk) 22:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Very helpful. Will do!  Thanks! Erange44 (talk) 23:10, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, . What I recommend to you is that you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and then proceed to edit and improve the article yourself. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and you are included in "anyone". Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  06:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Help with my first page
Hi! So i started the Hermes Press wiki page, and it was suggested to me that i come here and ask how to improve it/make it good for others to see. So...advice? Thanks in advance!

LiluMultipass (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi LiluMultipass, do you have a link to the page so we can take a look? My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 20:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It's Hermes Press

LiluMultipass (talk) 20:25, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I've turned what you had into a wikilink. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks!

LiluMultipass 20:39, 9 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LiluMultipass (talk • contribs)

Creating a Wiki page in another language
Hello! I recently created a Wikipedia page for Parsons Paris (2013). I would now like to create an article similar to this, or exactly this one, in French that will live on the French Wiki. I have posted this question on the English Parsons Paris Wikipedia page for the editors that know my history with that article personally. I would just like to know if there is any general advice I should know in regards to creating an existing article for another language Wiki page. Mickeyallen (talk) 15:50, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The general advice is at Translate us. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:54, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Are you folks aware of the "Wikistorming Project"
It seems like a concerted effort by several ideological institutions to tamper with the standards of objectivity on Wikipedia. We have projects on feminism which are fine, but this seems directed to pushing as much as possible of one set of viewpoints and recruiting students with bribes of grades to do it. It seems quite unethical to me both in-terms of editor participation and the policies of the schools in question. I'd like to get other peoples opinions on this.

http://femtechnet.newschool.edu/wikistorming/

Michalchik (talk) 09:15, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * To me this seems entirely a good thing. Women are hugely unrepresented in the editing population here. As a result there are many areas we are deficient in that these and other commentators have noted. I am particularly encouraged by how this project is trying to make sure its contributors engage with the Wikipedia community and its procedures. --LukeSurlt c 10:11, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this to our attention, though. While it will be great to have a group of new female editors, it's good for the current editors to be aware of what's going on so that we can lead them into the ways of positive, neutral editing.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 12:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The content of that article is a lot more encouraging than the rather confrontational title.
 * I expect all the project contributors will be indef-banned in no time though. This is exactly the sort of approach that the WP hive mind sees as a confrontational attack and closes ranks against. 8-( It's nearly as un-WP an idea to the ANI circle jerk as having subject competence in editors. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:35, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Doing a little research, this project is being headed up by, an experienced editor in good standing. Some of the external press on this has been quite misleading; this is not the coordinated POV push that FOX news would want people to think it is. Some of these editors may find themselves here at the Teahouse, and we should be ready to help them as we would everybody else. --LukeSurlt c 12:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the goals and aims of the project as long as it doesn't spin out of control and become too POV and  soapbox-like.    Konveyor Belt  yell at me 15:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * 80% of Wikipedia editors are men, so I don't see a huge problem with this. They aren't coming to push a view, they are coming to make WP more objective by reducing bias. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:06, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Not only are the women on WP underrepresented in editors (from a man), the female sports, such as the female football teams still have lots of pages needing creating. Mat  ty  .  007  18:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Editing an Article to Correct 'Mixed Inline and End References'
Hello Fellow Editors,

I am working on a Wikipedia article about Toronto nightlife personality Mandy Goodhandy. On my most recent submission, I received this comment below the article's rejection notice:

Comment: Mixed inline and end references (including references after the reflist) make this a procedural fail. Please correct. Hasteur (talk) 20:00, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to go about correcting this. You can find the unapproved article here: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mandy Goodhandy

Any suggestions on how to fix this are much appreciated.

Josh.bentleyswan (talk) 12:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * When you want to cite a website other than wikipedia in the course of your article, they are supposed to have the reference tags so that when you use the template 'reflist', it automatically creates a list of references used in the article. If you want to link to any webpage after the reflist template, it should be in a section like 'external links' or 'further reading'. -- signature lost with unterminated nowiki


 * I have given you a number of links on your user talk page, including WP:Referencing for beginners which was a link provided on a number of the earlier responses to your AFC. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Josh. I have done a copyedit. Among others, the main issues fixed were that you had duplicated the URLs of all of the cites that you used in the inline citations, below the reflist template. Although you used some inline citations, you also had naked links in the text pointing to external sites. Some other things to note are generally only the name of the topic in the first sentence of an article is boldfaced. Names of movies and similar matters are italicized. Generally, once the person's name is established, we only use their last name to refer to the them, not their full name. Anyway, I think now that the underbrush has been cleared away, the review is ready for a second pass. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:43, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, Josh.bentleyswan! Just to clarify, it is okay to have both inline citations (with ref tags mentioned above) and general references, {listed with bullet points in the reference section) in the article.  Just don't put the same reference in both places; this just clutters the page for no purpose.  Both types of references should be written out properly with title, author, publication name, publisher and date, etc., depending on what type of publication it is.  URL links in the body of the article are a no-no.  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 12:39, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks to all of you for your help and suggestions. Particularly Fuhghettaboutit for doing such a thorough editing job. That's very helpful, and will hopefully go some way to getting the article approved.

Just doing some final checks now before I resubmit.

Josh.bentleyswan (talk) 02:43, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Imagemaps
How can I create one of those? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:16, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You need to use an HTML editor. I used to use Dreamweaver, but there are cheaper and even free alternatives available now, such as . Eric   Corbett  19:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I mean like the banner of or the image in 's userpage.  <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * So did I. It's called an image map because it maps images (or parts of images) to urls, not because it has anything to do with geographical maps. Eric   Corbett  19:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks Eric. I guess I'll never had my own image map :'( <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  19:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * No reason why you shouldn't, it's very easy to do once you've created your image. Eric   Corbett  19:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * See also mw:Extension:ImageMap. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * , Miss Bono, who lives in Cuba, accesses Wikipedia through a limited intranet. She has no regular access to the broader internet, and can't use Google or Wikimedia Commons or any of the vast range of online tools most of us take for granted.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  21:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Then one of the cheap HTML editors would serve. Eric   Corbett  22:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * She can't download software, cheap or free, from the internet. She has no access. Wikipedia is the only external site she has access too.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  22:42, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * What a curious place Cuba must be if that's true. But how did she get hold of her browser then? From a state-owned PC dealership? Some friends of ours were recently on holiday in Cuba, and I don't recall them complaining about lack of access to the Internet. Maybe they had other things on their minds though. Eric   Corbett  22:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Internet in Cuba may be helpful to refer to. I, JethroBT  drop me a line 23:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "When buying computers was legalized in 2007 ..." Extraordinary, quite extraordinary. I wonder what Castro's legacy will be seen to have been by future generations. Eric   Corbett  23:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Your friends who visited Cuba recently probably stayed in a tourist enclave, Eric. This is definitely not an appropriate venue to discuss Fidel Castro's legacy. Miss Bono has made it clear that she is uninterested in discussing politics.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  08:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Tourists have Internet access at Hotels (very expensive for us) Thanks, Cullen for your explanations and for covering my back. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Then stop discussing it. Simple. Eric   Corbett  09:01, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * welcome back to the Teahouse with another fantastic question! Special programs to do this are not "necessary", but do make it a lot simpler if you are actually making an image map.  You could use 's suggestion of checking out Extension:ImageMap (which is what I personally use), or, if that is too advanced for you at this time (you seem to learn very quickly), you can try and do something more simple like create a table with no borders and mess around with (col|row)span and various transparent background images or whatnot, or you can do like  has done and set text (or images) on top of your background using css to manipulate placement of elements.  Happy editing!!! Technical 13 (talk) 12:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Technical 13. I cannot access meta, though. I will have to learn to do it with tables and learn about those (col|row) and stuffs! :) Thank you very much! And thanks for the badge. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I had forgotten that you can't get to MediaWiki wiki... In the collapsed section below are the instructions for using that extension for you:

ImageMap is an extension which allows clickable image maps. An image map is a list of coordinates in a specific image, which hyperlinks areas of the image to multiple destinations (in contrast to a normal image link, in which the entire area of the image links to a single destination). For example, a map of the world may have each country hyperlinked to further information about that country. The intention of an image map is to provide an easy way of linking various parts of an image without dividing the image into separate image files.

Examples Simple example without caption <pre style="overflow:auto">

The above example always links to the Main Page, no matter where you click on it. To find out more about the image, click on the blue "i" icon.

Complex example with caption <pre style="overflow:auto;">

The above example links to many different pages, depending on where you click it. To find out more about the image, click on the double-rectangle icon.

Syntax description The contents of an &lt;imagemap> tag consists of blank lines, comments (starting with #) and logical lines. The first logical line specifies the image to be displayed. This must be in the same format as an ordinary MediaWiki image link, except without the enclosing and. If the first line specifies a " " or " " image, then the first line's caption and any alt parameter are treated as the image's caption and alt text in the usual way; otherwise, the first line's alt parameter (or, if absent, any caption) specifies the image's alt text. In neither case does the image itself have title text (often used for tooltips); any title text is taken from the regions described in later lines.

Further lines are split into tokens, separated by whitespace. The function of each line is determined by the first token in the line. All coordinates are according to the full-size image, not the visible image. They should be specified as distance from left edge (horizontal pixel count), distance from top (vertical pixel count).


 * desc : Specifies the location of a blue "i" icon [[Image:Desc-20.png|link=|alt=]], which links to the image description. Possible values: <tt>top-right</tt>, <tt>bottom-right</tt> (default), <tt>bottom-left</tt>, <tt>top-left</tt>, <tt>none</tt>. This parameter is ignored for " " or " " images, which instead employ the usual double-rectangle icon [[Image:Magnify-clip.png|link=|alt=]].


 * Example:


 * poly: A polygon. The coordinates of the vertices are given, followed by a link in square brackets.


 * rect : A rectangle. The parameters are the coordinates of the top-left and bottom-right corners, followed by a title to link to in square brackets.


 * circle: A circle. The first two parameters are the coordinates of the center, the third is the radius. The coordinates are followed by a link in square brackets.


 * default: This gives the default link, where no other regions are specified.

All coordinates are specified relative to the source image. The image can be scaled using thumbnail syntax, in which case the image map coordinates will be automatically scaled as well.

All links are given in either the form Page title or description. In the latter case, the part after the pipe "|" becomes the title attribute of the link—in most browsers, it will pop up as a tooltip when the user hovers over it; the part after the pipe also becomes the alt text for the link. If no explicit link description is given, the page title is used.

Areas which overlap give precedence to the first link listed.


 * Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 13:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thankss!!!! :D <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  13:27, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't see the right side. I can't even use the right arrow key.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Most browsers have a horizontal scrollbar at the bottom when the page is wide. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And normally that works. But in this situation it's not happening.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Which browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Can someone explain to me how I know which numbers I have to use?? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [zootalk]  12:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

If you can't read the section above (for which you'll probably need to click the [show] alongside the heading "C&P "transclusion" of Extension:ImageMap's instructions for use."), among the most relevant parts about the numbers are the following: ''poly

''A polygon. The coordinates of the vertices are given, followed by a link in square brackets. ''

''rect

''A rectangle. The parameters are the coordinates of the top-left and bottom-right corners, followed by a title to link to in square brackets. ''

''circle

''A circle. The first two parameters are the coordinates of the center, the third is the radius. The coordinates are followed by a link in square brackets. ''" - David Biddulph (talk) 12:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC) I have IE9. This is weird that I still can't see the text above that was collapsed unless I'm editing.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:45, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "They should be specified as distance from left edge (horizontal pixel count), distance from top (vertical pixel count)."
 * Hey there, there are multiple ways to do it. You can use an online resource like http://www.image-maps.com/ or you can read one of many different documentation sites on how to do it  or you can save a copy of the image to your hard drive and just use a program like ms-paint or gimp to get the coordinates that you need.  Based on the numbers you get from using that method (you will have to adjust and compensate for whatever modifications you make to image size on the page) you can get pretty close and use minimal fudging to make it work as you want.  If you want some help, let me know what background image you want to use and what you want the size of the image to be on your page (may I recommend trying to keep it under 800px wide?) and I'll help you get your coords... Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 21:50, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tech!. I am working on an image in Photoshop. I'll let you know as soon as I finish. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive">  Miss Bono  [zootalk]  15:03, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Great ! I did a quick Google search for you and came up with an answer from Yahoo! answers that might help you:
 * You can view the mouse position based on how you have your Preferences for Units and Rulers set up. However, it will not be displayed in the Status bar.
 * Go to Edit > Preferences
 * Select Units & Rulers and set Units > Rulers to 'Pixels'. Click 'OK'.
 * Go to the Window menu and click 'Info'.
 * The mouse position will be displayed in the bottom left quadrant of the Info window, under '+ X Y'.
 * Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 15:28, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well done, Technical 13. There are however even more simplistic approaches, if it works, that is. One could create a table with the image as back ground and have a link associated with that cell in that table. Thats old html stuff and can be done in notepad, which is what I still ue to edit some of my web stuff. IMO, hex color declarations are far better than the palattes provided in higher end programs, IMO.

Coal town guy (talk) 02:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)