Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 146

Louisiana State Highways
Well, I've been looking at the Louisiana state highways pages, and I've noticed that most of them are red links waiting to be created by anyone. I think these need to be expanded. DudeWithAFeud (talk) 01:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello DudeWithAFeud and welcome to the Teahouse. If they haven't been created yet, its probably because as articles, there would be no sources and/or they would fail WP:N. That being said, if you think a redlinked article has a chance at surviving in the mainspace, you can create it or ask for it to be created. Konveyor Belt  express your horror  at my edits  03:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Conflicting Messages from Wikipedia Article Creation Pages
First, I simply want to add a company logo. After following directions & uplaoding, I get the messages below [on different help pages]....

Message 1: This article doesn't exist! The article Appthority, Inc. could not be found.

Message 2: There is already an article with this title. Warning: A page with this title [Appthority, Inc.] exists.

Message 3: This is only a preview; your changes have not yet been saved! → Go to editing area [I find nothing about Save in the Editing area.]

Thanks for any helpFromTighCalan (talk) 00:41, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. You asked the same question at the Help Desk, and you've had an answer there. In general it is preferable not to ask the same question in multiple places, as volunteers can get upset if they spend time answering a question only to find that it has already been answered elsewhere. - David Biddulph (talk) 01:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Hamza Anwar
i want to promote my page as HAMZA ANWAR about my upcoming film MAAL 2 JOURNEY BEGINS can u please help me ?? — Precedingunsigned comment added by Hamzaanwar (talk •contribs) 20:53, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Hamzaanwar. Welcome to the teahouse.  Firstly, as a new user, you probably don't know that comments on forums and talk pages need to be signed by typing four tildes ( ~ ) after your comment or question.  A bot did that for you.  Secondly, the short answer is no.  Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion of anything.  We also highly discourage people connected with a subject writing about it.  We call that a conflict of interest.  In addition, if an article were to be written about your film (which will definitely not happen until it has a release date), it would be written under the title of the film, not your name.  Sorry to be so negative, but what you are asking is just not what happens on Wikipedia.  I will leave you some links on your talk page so you can learn a little more about Wikipedia.  Hope you stick around, but if all you want to do is promote yourself, hire a PR man. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * And even the PR man will not be allowed to put advertisements on Wikipedia. Konveyor Belt  express your horror at my edits  21:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

reflists/bulleted lists
Hi! I'm not experienced and my first article (Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Daniel Silver) has been refused because "Reflists are not the way to format lists of a artists work. Please use a regular bulleted list." I don't understand what that means, could anyone have a quick look at the article and help me? Thanks! Valentina3000 Valentina3000 (talk) 19:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. My guess is that the reviewer meant that you should remove the refbegin and refend tags, but if in doubt you could ask the reviewer on his talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * If you want the list to appear in multiple columns, the template to use is . Use the following syntax:
 * Hope that helps. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  21:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hope that helps. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  21:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Manual of Style: tense of articles written as chronology
Hi,

I was going to have a go at Victoria's Secret, as it's in need of copyediting.

Much of it is written in present tense. ("It's 1982. An Encyclopedia is something with dozens of volumes that you look at in the library."). I can't find anything against that in the Manual of Style, but the copyediting-required notice complains about it being written in lists rather than paragraphs, so I wondered if that was what was being complained about.

Is writing about past events in the present tense, even when the date is clear, a MoS breach?

Ian McDonald (talk) 19:04, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Ian, and welcome to the Teahouse. All events that have already occurred (which should be almost everything, as Wikipedia is not a crystal ball), should be written about in the past tense. So for example, I write about a lot of football games, and instead of "Smith passes to Jones for a touchdown, and Johnson's extra point is good", it would be "Smith passed to Jones for a touchdown, and Johnson's extra point was good". I hope this helps; thanks for your interest in copyediting - it is an needed task around here.  Go  Phightins  !  19:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Editing a page where I have conflict of interest
Hi, sorry to be a wiki editing newbie, but I have a question about this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Tourist_Board

As a representative of London & Partners I'm aware that editing this page could be a conflict of interest (have seen the wiki info on this), so have only updated the current CEO and Chair names as this is just additional factual information.

Can I add more information about London & Partners? For example a paragraph stating our remit? Or a list of key activities?

As the tourist board has not existed for a long time, is this page title still correct? London & Partners remit is broader than tourism, should this be a new page and the current page be left as a page about the old organisation? This feels like one page about one old company with the two more recent incarnations as an aside.

Hope it's ok to ask, would rather get this right!

London&#38;Partners (talk) 16:23, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi London & Partners and welcome! First, you should change your username for another to imply that you are editing on behalf of yourself instead of company.
 * Wikipedia does not allow usernames that are promotional or accounts that are shared. If you are willing to use a personal account, please take a moment to create a new account or request a username change that represents only yourself as an individual.
 * As for your question, you should post the information -- with references frm reliable sources-- on the article's talk page, so other users non-related to the company edit the article. Hope this helps.   Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  16:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Timeline of U2
Hi, I was taking a look at the article and I tought about adding some images and quotes. Is it ok to do this or not.  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  15:27, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * As long as the images are free and relevant to the page. Sticking a random picture of a band member in there wouldn't do much, while illustrating a specific event would. Konveyor Belt  express your horror at my edits  15:30, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you check the image I've added and tell me what do you think? Thanks.   Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  15:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good. --LukeSurlt c 19:09, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :)  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  19:34, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

How Do I Verify Professional Certifications That Are Not Available Online
Hello! I am about ready to let someone experienced look over my sandbox that contains an article I think is ready to post. However, I am puzzled about one matter: my article is about a certified mediator, whose mediation certifications are not available through an online source, although I can cite the institution, date, type of mediation certification he has received. It's an important part of his professional expertise.

How do I handle this, please?

My sandbox is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Carrielwilliams/sandbox

Carrielwilliams (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Carrielwilliams and welcome to the Teahouse! As long as you have a verifiable source, whether paper or online, you can cite it. If the mediator has been featured or mentioned in a news article, or if he has written or has been mentioned in a book, you can cite it. Konveyor Belt  express your horror at my edits  15:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! --Carrielwilliams (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Carriel. Be a little careful of Konveyor Belt's answer. The sources do not have to be online, but they must have been published, so that in principle a reader could go to a library and get hold of them. Certificates are not usually published, and so are not regarded as verifiable. That is why Konveyor Belt mentioned news articles and books; but the answer may have given the impression that certificates are acceptable. --ColinFine (talk) 22:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I have to contribute the authenticate information to wikipedia, help is needed
Is there some one who can guide me how to add below information to B.R.Ambedkar article.

Role in Economic Planning
( to write this article as per wikipedia policy, expert administrator help is required)

“Ambedkar is the highest educated Indian economist of all times.”. He was the first Indian who had done Ph.D. in economics from outside the country.

Ambedkar contributed on post war economic development plan of India is considerably very high and profound particularly in field of humanity, equality, social justice along with economic planning, water resource and electric power development.

Member of Planning commission and National advisory council asserted that, Ambedkar made special provision for the finance commission every five years in the Constitution. Finance commissions of India refer "Evolution of Provincial Finances in British India" for all the reports, which was Ambedkar's Ph.D Dissertation at Columbia University. Premknutsford25 (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Role in water resource and power planning
( to write this article as per wikipedia policy, expert administrator help is required)

“In 1942-46 he(Ambedkar) created for the first time a department of power at the national level. The present Central Electricity Authority owes its existence to Dr. Ambedkar”. Ambedkar, the then member-in charge of power and work in the Viceroy’s cabinet, and under his leadership water resource and power planning was formulated. He established two technical organization which were known as 1) Central Waterways, Irrigation and Navigation commission and 2) Central Technical power Board, today it is known as Central water commission and Central Electricity Authority respectively. “Ambedkar advocated, the concept of 'River Valley Authority' to manage the Inter-state river valley projects.” Under his leadership Government adopted a resolution to set up the Damodar Valley Corporation (DVC) which is based on Tennessee Valley Corporation (TVC) in march 1948. Ambedkar hoped that “waged work in modern industry” would help to liberate the depressed class from their rural poverty and his intent for promoting such irrigation, hydro-power, navigation and flood control project is to provide hydroelectricity to Indian Factories., This project set the foundation for other project such as Bhakra Nangal, Damodar Valley, Mahanadi, Sone and Tungabhadra river projects. Contribution of these projects to Indian economy is considerably very high and gives strength to Indian economy. In recent ,National Water Policy (2001) draft is based on inter basin transfer of water which was suggested by Ambedkar around 50 yrs ago.

Premknutsford25 (talk) 14:52, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Premknutsford25 and welcome to the Teahouse! It seems you already have a good draft of what you want done. Go to the B.R. Ambekar page and click edit. Paste the raw wikitext of your draft under whatever section you want it to be under. Note that your changes and added sections are subject to reversion or edits. <font color="#228B22">Konveyor Belt  <font color="#0982D0">express your horror <font color="#FFB300">at my edits  15:46, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * With all due respect to the Teahouse volunteers, the matter is already under discussion, and the user has already attempted to add the info and had it reverted several times; originally for potential copyright violations, later for WP:UNDUE concerns. The user's real question is probably either "how do I engage in dispute resolution" or "how do I override the current consensus" (translating what they want into Wikispeak, that is). Since I'm one of those objecting to the content, I don't know if my advice will help, so if another user could help explain those processes, I'd be appreciative. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:35, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * thanks <font color="#228B22">Konveyor Belt ,It has been observed that team of user namely called as Qwyrxian,Dougweller and Sitush having objection of this article. In my recent edit, I corrected the mistake while writing the article. I tried my best to write the article as per wikipedia policy. Still Qwyrxian deleted the article, stating that, article violating wikipedia NPOV policy ,but you can verify it, it doesn't seem violating NPOV. It seem that another user Sitush having objection without reading it properly and complain that, it is copy right violation and repeating the information. If you read this article and compare with reference, you will come to know that, it not the copyright violation and there is not repetition. If we answer the the claim of these Sitush and Qwyrxian, user called Dougweller come into picture and blindly support these user. sorry to say but ,some times it look to me that they are working as team and preventing anyone to provide any authentic information to the article called B.R.Ambedkar, because of there centric view. Please don't treat this as a personal attack, but the repeated discouragement to write the article.Premknutsford25 (talk) 09:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Telling me I'm blindly doing something and calling experienced editors vandals is not a good idea. I didn't actually edit the article but did point out that there was material in your edit which was clearly copied from  with minor changes, and that's against our WP:COPYVIO policy. There's a good discussion on the talk page and I hope you will learn from it. Dougweller (talk) 10:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Where is it correct to place citations?
Are both of the following acceptable or is one preferred over the other ("[Cx]" represents a citation)?

1) In sentence citations: "Some text,[C1] some more text.[C2]"

2) End of sentence citations: "Some text, some more text.[C1][C2]"

SunShines123 (talk) 14:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * SunShines123, I generally go with the second option.  <font colour="white" face="segoe script">Sohambanerjee1998  14:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Is it ever correct to go with the first option and, if not, if I run into the first option, should I just correct it? SunShines123 (talk) 14:51, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No its not like that, it varies with usage. For eg. if you write something like this "Mr. X is a joker". Then you need suitable reliable sources to back it up, usually its an etiquette to include them at the end. If you add any content that can generate controversy or raise doubts on its authenticity then its best to place the citations nearer the claim, for that you may have to change the wording a bit also.  <font colour="white" face="segoe script">Sohambanerjee1998  15:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * For example, "X is a liar" would be formatted like "X is a liar, but "X is this, and he is also this" would be "X is this, , and he is also this . <font color="#228B22">Konveyor Belt  <font color="#0982D0">express your horror <font color="#FFB300">at my edits  16:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello . If the source supports only the first part of the substantive content of a sentence, then the reference should be inserted mid-sentence after the relevant portion. If the source supports the whole sentence, put it at the end of the sentence. If it supports the whole paragraph, put it at the end of the paragraph.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  06:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cullen, thanks.  <font colour="white" face="segoe script">Sohambanerjee1998  13:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

How is a "notable" person defined?
If (i) you have red coloured links in other articles which give your name which prompt you to write an article and (ii) you are listed in UK directories such as Who's Who and Debretts does this make you a notable person?Jhennessy99 (talk) 11:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Short answer: No. "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." A person may be red linked on Wikipedia and may even be listed in a social directory, but those alone are not sufficient evidence of notability. There is a guideline available here. <font color="#330066">Blackberry <font color="#9900CC">Sorbet 11:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Jhennessy99. It depends very much on the coverage provided by Debrett's and Who's Who. A high percentage of the entries in both publications are little more than basic biographical entries: name, date of birth, honours and decorations, hereditary titles and so forth. That's not sufficient coverage for Wikipedia to regard them as notable. Wikipedia's standard of notability - and hence suitability for inclusion here - is in-depth coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources. To define those terms a bit more precisely:
 * In depth: at least a couple of reasonably substantial paragraphs describing the subject. Passing mentions, directory entries or one-line descriptions are not sufficient.
 * Multiple: More than one unrelated source; multiple duplicates of a single source or sources derived directly from other sources don't count.
 * Reliable: Published by a company with a known reputation for checking facts, such as a mainstream newspaper or book publisher, and editorially oversighted.
 * Independent: unrelated to the subject; their own works, their employer's biographies or works they have commissioned won't suffice.
 * If the subject of your article is covered in sources that meet these requirements, then they should have an entry here. However, Who's Who and Debrett's alone probably won't, I'm afraid, cut it. The full guideline for notability, if you want to read through it, is here. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:54, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * , just picking up on your comment about "If (i) you have red coloured links..." If you are meaning the red coloured links in your own username, you are always welcome to create your own user page as a Wikipedia editor / contributor, and provide any information about yourself, no matter how "notable" you may or may not be. <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710; <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  07:21, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

conflict of interest
Hi there,

I would like to update some information about my university page on wiki but i think i am in the "conflict of interest" category since i am the webmaster there. The information i want to update is already on our university website such as different campus we have, some recent publication and reference them at the bottom. I also have latest photo of the university and its logo.

my question is, can i not update anything on the wiki page due to this conflict of interest? PriteshChandra (talk) 02:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Because you are the webmaster,, I recommend that you post suggested changes on the article's talk page, along with solid references. I commend you for coming here to ask about this. If you mention the name of the article, I will add it to my watch list, and try to help.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  02:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with Cullen; but the situation with pictures is a bit different. If you own the copyright of the picture (eg you took it yourself), or you are in contact with the copyright owner, and can arrange for it to be licensed in a way compatible with Wikipedia (see WP:Donating copyright materials, then you would be welcome to upload it to Commons and add it to the article. I also think that nobody would object to your updating the logo, making sure that the way you describe and use it is consistent with the WP:Non-free content criteria. --ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Dear  Cullen 328 thanks for your suggestion. The article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_the_South_Pacific and i will make use of the Article Talk section.

PriteshChandra (talk) 20:07, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Dear ColinFine Thanks for your comments on the images.  I will upload the USP logo and images.  The images is owned by the university and we don't mind putting it up on wiki.  I just need to figure out how to upload them on that page.  I will first put up the logo there.

PriteshChandra (talk) 20:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, Pritesh. "Don't mind putting it up on wiki" sounds as if you haven't yet read the link I gave you about donating materials. It's not enough to give permission to put the picture up on Wikipedia: you (or the copyright holder) need to license it to allow it to be used for any purpose, including commercial use. --ColinFine (talk) 08:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Dear ColinFine, apologies for the ambiguity. Yes the images that i upload will be free license.  We will conform to the rules of Wikipedia.  Since we have lots of images, any that is put up will be free to use.  And if anyone requires any more images, they can contact the university and we can supply the images for use.  I managed to figure out how to upload the images but unfortunately, i can't upload any since my "account has not become confirmed yet".  So i need to either wait or ask someone to upload it for me.

PriteshChandra (talk) 20:52, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Undoing an Edit
When you are viewing a page's history, if you click the "undo" next to the edit, does it remove only that edit, or does it also remove all subsequent edits? I've never had occasion to use it and didn't want to kill a chunk of legitimate work just to find out. Thanks for any help:-)Phoenixia1177 (talk) 04:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The wiki software attempts to remove only the specific edit, but it doesn't work really well when subsequent edits have modified the same section of text. I recommend careful proofreading to be sure that subsequent productive edits remain intact. Copy editing may be needed.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  04:59, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I was assuming something along those lines, thank you for clearing that up:-) I'll just manually remove the offending line, then. I wasn't sure if using "undo" was a more preferred method. Thanks again:-)Phoenixia1177 (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit source Help
I was adding singles to Yours Truly, Angry Mob in Edit source but I messed it up, can someone fix it but still have the singles there? Thanks. IGotProof (talk) 19:47, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, IGotProof! I've [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yours_Truly,_Angry_Mob&diff=prev&oldid=574647840 fixed it for you]; no big deal, you just forgot to add the closing curly braces that would correspond with the new opening ones. Cheers! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Two quotes in a quote box
Hi guys! Is there any way I can put two quotes into a quote box? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  19:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse have you gone to the Template:Quote box it show different example of quote template the different example on how to quotes. I hope these example help in putting two quote into a box. Miszatomic (talk) 20:58, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

How to make my figure appear in the article I edited
Dear Volunteer, I recently extensively modified and expanded osteoblast. I made a new diagram for the article, "Osteoblast Organization.jpg" I uploaded this using a "wizard" application and stated the article for which it is intended, and thought that would about do it.

I checked and the article call out appears to have the identical title, "Osteoblast Organization.jpg".

How do I make this graphic appear in the proper place? Physio Muse (talk) 18:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The file you have uploaded have a different spelling than what is added in the article. You just got to correct it. -- Sriram speak up  19:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * King jacob have fixed it. -- Sriram speak up  19:31, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Can someone help here?
Talk:Titash_Ekti_Nadir_Naam? I have already reverted twice. Or post opinion? -- Tito ☸ Dutta 16:52, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Frank massar
I have improved the page that is pending deletion, however, I do not know how, to bring it to the attention of the reviewers so that the delete status can be removed. I have worked on the inline citation and also links.Antonioyap (talk) 15:59, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Antonioyap! The way to let potential deletion discussers know that you have made improvements is to go to Articles for deletion/Frank Massar and put at the bottom, "Comment - I have made significant improvements to the article." Happy editing! <font color="#007FFF">ö   Brambleberry  <font color="#9C9C9C">of   RiverClan  16:01, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

from a deleted "-" to a major edit
Hi all, I am quite confused. I edit Wikipedia now and then. Yesterday, I deleted the "-" in Mass-spectrum analysis, but accidently I made a huge edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mass_spectrum_analysis&diff=574520220&oldid=569555563 I am super confused right now. I am very sure, I just deleted one singe character "-" in the first sentence. What happened? SebastianHellmann (talk) 12:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello. You were looking at an old version of the page when you clicked the "edit" button. This meant that the code you brought up wasn't the current page's code, but rather that of this old version. When you saved your edit, you effectively reverted to this version of the page (plus one small minor hypen edit).
 * Thank you for bringing this to other editors' attention. Being able to recognise when something hasn't gone quite right and engaging with the community for support is a sign of a good Wikipedian. Buy the design of the Wiki software, every edit on Wikipedia can be easily undone (I have done this for this edit), so you never need to worry about any editing problem having a permanent impact. Cheers, --LukeSurlt c 12:41, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting this, otherwise I would have deleted quite some edits by other users... Everything seems fixed now, thanks SebastianHellmann (talk) 13:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

New editor, please review my first substantive edit
Would a Teahouse host be kind enough to cast an experienced eye over my first substantive edit on Wikipedia, which added a whole new section to the KFC article, and provide some feedback? I understand that there are other means and methods of requesting such a review, but as a new editor, and having participated in other Teahouse discussions recently, I felt that this would be the most appropriate venue for my request. <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710; <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  11:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I also added some slight grammar tweaks to my former edit about 10 minutes later. <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710; <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  11:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Adding a "Controversies" section as your first major edit is a bit risky, but you've done a decent job of it - the language is neutral and you've carefully sourced all of the statements. I don't know how valid Scoop.co.nz is as a source, it's not a media outlet I'm familiar with and looks a bit tabloid-y to my jaded eyes, but that's a minor niggle (the information can be found elsewhere as well). All in all, a pretty good edit; I certainly see no glaring problems with it. Carry on! Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:26, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for that. I figured that I could probably get away with a somewhat less "reliable source" as Scoop, being that I had already cited two much more reliable sources. The fact of the controversy itself was established in the original two references, and the Scoop citation just added additional relevant info. Thanks for your time. <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710; <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  13:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that Scoop is listed on WikiProject New Zealand/Sources, so I assume it is acceptable as a reliable source. <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710; <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  13:58, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi . That's a very professional edit, well written and well referenced. My concern is the positioning of this as a whole section may be giving this controversy undue weight. The KFC article encompasses the entire multinational over it's entire history, whilst this section covers an recent incident in one of its smaller territories. As this controversy probably isn't indicative of the whole worldwide organisation I have moved this information to the pre-existing Australia and New Zealand section. I hope you feel this is an OK move. --LukeSurlt c 13:40, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks for that. I had actually raised that very same issue on before I even started creating my edit, but got no response there, so I edited boldly, anticipating that someone like you would correct me if I got it wrong. Thanks for doing so. <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ  <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710; <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  13:45, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I see that it has been moved again soon after your last edit, . It has been released into the whirlpool of the publicly edited encyclopedia. Goodbye little edit, have fun! :) <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710; <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  14:09, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

help me with making my article live
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shruti_Malviya/sandbox, this is my sandbox, anybody please help me assisting how can i make my article live on wikipedia. as asked i have just added some more reliable links and source to my article. Kindly suggest.

Shruti Malviya (talk) 10:01, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. You had submitted the article for AFC review so since March this year your sandbox User:Shruti_Malviya/sandbox has been merely a redirect to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Pradeep Madhok. You have twice had feedback on your draft. You deleted the feedback tags, but I have reinserted them so that you and any future reviewers can see what has been said; the tags will be removed if and when the draft gets moved to article space.  There are numerous links in those feedback boxes, and on your user talk page.  You need to read those, and probably further links on from those, such as WP:Referencing for beginners.  Until you have read the guidance on what is required from a Wikipedia article, and updated your draft accordingly, there is no chance of the draft being approved. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:31, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

COI - company wiki page
Hi,

complete newbie to Wiki so just need some reassurance!

I found this previous thread - Teahouse/Questions/Archive 123 .... and I'm in a similar position. I've created a basic page for the company I'm now employed with in my sandbox, but before I attempt to publish I was hoping someone a little more experienced than myself could run an eye over it to make sure there's nothing too promotional or biased.

I have quality news sources etc, but just being extra careful - trying to impress the new boss with my proactive nature :)

Cheers, J. Jkielty82 (talk) 08:49, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Hopefully you've read WP:COI?  One of the reasons why editors with a CoI are discouraged from writing about their own organisation is that it is difficult for them to write with a NPOV.  It is doubly difficult if you copy material from your company's promotional literature.  http://www.currencyfair.com/company is perfectly reasonable as advertising material for your company, but when you use phrases like "...  the same great exchange rates ..." in the lede of your draft article you are immediately leaving yourself open to charges that the proposed article is for advertising and promotional purposes.  (There is a further problem that if you copy significant chunks of the company's copyrighted material you would leave Wikipedia open to charges of copyright violation, so there are specific processes to go through for donating copyrighted material.)  That is why it is far better to leave someone without a CoI to write an article about your company if they consider it to be notable in Wikipedia's terms. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:56, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Account verification
Does wikipedia have any procedure to verify accounts that claim to be created by some famous people? Assuming someone in the film industry is willing to release their film posters for free in wiki, how does one get to know whether the account is genuine or if its a bogus account created by someone to avoid copyright issues? -- Sriram speak up  05:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Why din't anyone reply? -- Sriram speak up  12:49, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The process for copyright release is at WP:Donating copyrighted material; remember that in many cases the copyright will not belong to a famous person but to a company. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:03, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * A wikipedia editor approached me recently claiming to be Sadiq Khan and that he's working for a production company in Chennai, Thirrupathi Brothers. he has made some edits predominantly to articles of films produced by the production company. He had already had an account which was permanently blocked for disruptive editing. Now he has created another account and a image he uploaded has been nominated for speedy deletion. File:Ivan veramathiri.jpg The problem with the image is that though the licensing says that he is releasing it in free license, he has uploaded the image with 'non-free rationale'. He approached me to do the uploads for him. I don't know if that amounts to COI.


 * If he is actually who he claims to be, it would be better to guide him through the process. Wikipedia can gain with some free images than those with rationale use. Please try to look into the issue and address it. -- Sriram speak up  13:15, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I suggest that you read his previous history with some care. From what you say, and from the the fact that he was still trying to load an obviously copyrighted image as "Uploading a self-made file", he still hasn't learned. If he is using a new account name to evade his current block, that is sockpuppetry; he had previously attempted to do so through at least one other sock puppet account: Special:Contributions/Sadiqkhan(film_director). If the company which owns the copyright wishes to release the material through the correct processes, that would be fine, but you should do nothing to bypass Wikipedia's controls on copyrighted material. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That's why I'm approaching you guys. I have already advised the editor to do as required. User_talk:Sriram_Vikram I just want an admin to contact him and try solving the issue. If his current account gets blocked, he may create another account. If some admin can intervene and explain the situation or someone working on the related projects can volunteer to take care of the COI requests from him, it will solve the problem. Someone can just ask him to request to the article or a volunteer's talk page and ensure his edits aren't disruptive, POV or COI. -- Sriram speak up  19:08, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Help
Every time I try to add singles to albums in edit source, it gets all messed up. Can you help me? And what happened to the beta editor? IGotProof (talk) 23:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Your problem is what BracketBot is telling you about on your user talk page, namely unmatched brackets. If you open a pair of curly braces  at the end of the template . And as for the beta editor, I believe that it is now an opt-in, rather than opt-out. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Looking for Feedback on a page I am editing
I am working on a group project at Cornell University where we are editing the Verizon FiOS page. Our group is looking for some feedback. We proposed some edits on our talk page, and we wanted to see if those proposed changes looked good. Would anyone be able to provide some assistance and see if our changes are adequate and if thee is anything we should add/delete? Also, would someone be able to put their response on the Verizon FiOS talk page? We appreciate your help! Andrew.prafder (talk) 22:42, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm just another Teahouse guest, like you, not a host. I have replied on your group project page itself about a matter relating to your group project, not to the Verizon FiOS page. Hope you don't mind. I'm sure others here will be able to respond to your specific query about improving the Verizon FiOS article. <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710; <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  01:01, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello! Hope to see this group project go well! Also great job AugurNZ on being cool & helpful! ///Euro Car  GT  02:55, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I have a wiki page about my grandfather. I would like to add an image of him. please help.
There is a page for Jack Higgins (Gaelic Footballer). He is my grandfather. I would like to add an image to his page. He passed in 1955. The image is from 1935. I need assitance to walk me through the process.

Thanks in advance.

Barry Higgins(BarryHiggins (talk) 22:06, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Barry. Did you take the photograph or do you own its copyright? If so, and you are willing the release it under a free copyright license (or into the public domain), then you would upload it to the Wikimedia Commons. They have a upload wizard that will walk you through the steps. Just go here. Once the photograph is uploaded at the Commons, it can immediately be used here natively. You would just go to the article, click edit at the top, and then place in the area of the article where you wanted it to display the following code:  – replacing   with the actual file name of the image, and   with a short description of the image. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Uploading a photograph
I have a photo I would like to use for an unpublished article. I have the permission to use it in pdf form letter, but it is in German, how do I do this?RebeccaHS (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi RebeccaHS! Does the letter say words to the effect that they (the owner of the photograph) are "releasing the copyright under..." and then name a specific free copyright license? Or does the letter say something like we give you (and/or Wikipedia/Wikimedia) permission to use the photograph? The former is what we need, and the release must be under a compatibly free license (or a public domain release). For a list of free copyright licenses compatible with ours, please see WP:COMPLIC. The latter—permission for use while retaining the non-free copyright—is no good for use here. This is because we require that our content bear a free copyright license so that our end users can take the content and use it freely even for commercial purposes, only requiring attribution to the author(s). For more on the specifics of how we require such a release, please see Donating copyrighted materials and Declaration of consent for all enquiries. If the letter you have does contain a suitable release, and also suitably shows that the person who wrote the letter is indeed the owner of the copyright with authority to release, then what you would do is upload the file to the Wikimedia Commons providing the detail of the free license or public domain release, then edit the page and place on it, then send an email, attaching the PDF, and providing the image name in the email and other details you deem pertinent, to [mailto:permissions-commons@wikimedia.org permissions-commons@wikimedia.org]. It will then be reviewed by a member of the OTRS team (some do speak German) and then the image will either be accepted or rejected. Note that the current backlog for OTRS "tickets" in English is approximately 20 days; German might be more or less. Finally, note that we do allow, under very strict conditions and for limited purposes, the use of non-free images (here, never at the Commons). See generally Non-free content. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Adding Talk Header
Hello, I'm trying to add a header to a talk page noting that our edits are a part of a university project. I managed to add it to the bottom of our comment, but am unsure how to have it appear up top. Any help would be much appreciated! Best, Haley Hec44 (talk) 19:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Haley. I think the issue you may be having is because you are only noticing the side edit links in the body of the Talk:Vogue (magazine), next to each section, rather than the edit button at the top of the page. If you click that edit button, you can then access the entire talk page and place the course assignment template near the top (I would suggest just below the existing "wikiproject" templates). If this doesn't solve the issue, can you elaborate which page you are talking about and specify what you've done, what happened when you tried? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:06, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Puzzled by "neutral tone" rejection
I received a stock rejection for an article I created about PerkStreet. The notice said "This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article". It also said to avoid peacock terms, use independent sources, etc. I did all of these things, cited the Boston Globe, Boston Business Journal, etc., yet it still was rejected. Considering the bank failed, I don't see how this could be construed as positive, as I mention the failure and only cite facts that come from the sources.

Is there some other thing I am missing in terms of writing in the style of an encyclopedia?

Thanks, SHK Shuhuikung (talk) 14:04, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Shuhuikung. After reading the submission, I'm puzzled too. I think maybe the reviewer used a templated rejection which contained some things that were applicable but was focused on the wrong rejection basis. To wit: I do think the article needs some more reliable sources (though not necessarily before a move to the mainspace or warranting a rejection of acceptance of the submission), and that is nested in that rejection ("refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources"), even though the focus of the message is neutrality. Anyway, I see nothing promotional or unsuitably POV in the tone, which is actually somewhat rare in articles on commercial topics. So I think you should expand a bit, add some more source and wait for another review (which someone might do after seeing your post here [I generally don't do AfC reviews]). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Re-write a page that was deleted
Hello Everyone, I would like to insert a short description of a medical robotics company called 'Mazor Robotics', however their page was deleted and it is impossible to contact the administrator since he is not on Wikipedia anymore. Any one can help with that?

Thanks, Uhehpshvuhehpshv (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello, Uhehpshvuhehpshv, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think it would help you very much to contact that administrator: the page was deleted because it was "unambiguous advertising or promotion". If you want to create a page, you need first to read WP:CORP, and make sure that the company meets the criteria on notability; if it does, then read WP:Your first article to see how to go about writing a well-referenced article in a neutral tone. --ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

GA to FA
Hi, Can I nominate a GA page to FA category? <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0em 0em 0.8em,#FF4500 -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#90EE90 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em;color:#696969">Benison<font style="color:Green"> talk with me 07:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You can! On Wikipedia all editors, old and new, are strongly encouraged to boldly contribute to all parts of the encylopedia-writing process. Almost all FAs go through a GA stage in their development. If you feel it's time for a further promotion, have a look at Featured article candidates and associated pages to see how the procedure works. --LukeSurlt c 07:41, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

When does article become live?
I moved my sandbox to proper wikipedia yesterday. I want to enquire what is the next step? What happens now? How do I get editors to review my article? When does the article become live? I will be adding the references and improving upon the citations sections today. Saleem.zaman (talk) 05:36, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A draft article moved to main space becomes "live" almost instantly, and yours is now part of the encyclopedia. However, it can take a few hours for it to be fully searchable on Wikipedia, and it will appear on Google and other search engines only after their web crawlers have indexed it. Your article really needs references, as it is totally unreferenced now. See referencing for beginners for help with that. Once that is done, please consider adding categories and incoming links.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328   Let's discuss it  05:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey Jim! Thanks for your reply! I am working on the referencing of my article. Can you please help me with the following issue

I'm gettting this message whenever I go to my main page.: (Redirected from User:Saleem.zaman/sandbox) Will my user name show to other people who view my page as well? I have already moved from the sanbox then why does the message show it again? Saleem.zaman (talk) 11:55, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * If you go directly to Al Baraka Bank (Pakistan) Limited it doesn't show the "Redirected from ..." link; it shows that line only if you go via User:Saleem.zaman/sandbox. Now that you've finished with your sandbox you can delete the redirect, or (if you want to) change it to an ordinary link by changing "#REDIRECT Al Baraka Bank (Pakistan) Limited" to just "Al Baraka Bank (Pakistan) Limited" . - David Biddulph (talk) 12:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Help requested to submit new page "Therapeutae of Asclepius"
Hello,

I have zero experience with which to submit a new page in regard to "Therapeutae of Asclepius" and was redirected here from my talk page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Arius_of_Alexandria

Can anyone assist? Many thanks and best wishes. Arius of Alexandria (talk) 02:12, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello. If you wish for an article to be created on Therapeutae of Asclepius, you have two options. The first is to add this to the list of WP:Requested Articles. However you can see this list is very long, and as this project is entirely done by volunteers there is no compulsion on any other editor to make this page. The second option is to create this page yourself. While wiki editing may seem tricky, it's actually easier than it looks. Plus the community, especially at this page, can help and advise when you are not sure of something. Have a look at WP:Your first article for some basic information. You can draft the article at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Therapeutae of Asclepius and the community will review it. --LukeSurlt c 08:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Coding help
Some coding in this page is making every link of the page unclickable and affecting the edit summary box too. Can someone check? Tito ☸ Dutta 19:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I can click all the buttons OK. My browser is Google Chrome. --LukeSurlt c 07:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Expected review time and request for feedback on article changes
My name is Nicole, and I am with Merck. On behalf of Merck, I’m working to suggest changes to the Wikipedia page for Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier. I’ve submitted changes to his Talk:Kenneth Frazier page. I wanted to ask if any editors here would provide feedback to the suggested changes or provide guidance on where else I should request help. I appreciate your assistance.

Nicole922 (talk) 16:11, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I would suggest you read our guide to conflict of interest. If the material you want added isn't biased or advertising it should be fine. <font color="#228B22">Konveyor Belt  <font color="#0982D0">express your horror <font color="#FFB300">at my edits  20:41, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * To add to what Konveyor said, the article Kenneth Frazier is unbalanced in its current form, giving undue weight to his actions as a member of Penn State's board. I will look over your suggested additions and improve the article as soon as I can. Can you confirm that the material you added to the talk page is new content in your own words which has not been published anywhere else? Also, would you be able to contribute a better photo for the article? It would need to be licensed under the same terms as the text you contributed. DPRoberts534 (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for your reply. The edits that I have suggested are unbiased and do attempt to make the article more balanced. I can confirm that the content is in my own words based on information from public sources. I am working to identify a new picture for the article, and I will follow up as soon as possible. Nicole922 (talk) 19:31, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Newbie Seeking Direction
Newbie struggling with "what to do, when, and where". Article PCN Technology Inc. Talk:Shurley19. Please advise.SHurley619 (talk) 06:51, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just for documentation purposes, SHurley619 got help on the talk page.— <font color="Green">Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Writer's block
I have writer's block! I mean, I can't write road articles because I can't think of any new roads to write about. Can you help me? Philroc (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello! Try thinking of roads near you, according to your userpage, you seem to know about New York and Virginia. You should join Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads a Wikipedia community project page where the community gets to talk, create and collaborate on ideas and such about US roads, the Interstate system, U.S. freeway, State routes, county roads, freeways, highways, tool ways and etc. Just be creative and make a great article that contains helpful information. ///Euro Car  GT  00:25, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have a camera, you can also go and snap some pictures of interesting aspects of nearby roads. Major turnpikes, on/off ramps, etc. Or just a picture of the road as it looks every day. That could help illustrate the road articles, and you may find something to write about in your travels. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * As Crisco 1492 said, take some some pictures of roads and the cool features of roads nearby. Maybe go to a overpass at night and take a cool picture or panorama, you never know, it could turn up to be a featured picture which will be a very cool thing! Other pictures needed in road-related articles are; overpasses, exit ramps, signs, toll booths, memorials or something special about the road. ///Euro Car  GT  00:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Philroc, you might be surprised by the number of road articles that don't exisit. The road project is one of our most proficient, but there still are a number of roads not yet covered.  Numbered highways in the United States is a list of lists if you will of all the articles on highways in the US.  Go thru the various lists and just look for the redlinks!  Thanks for wanting to take on some of the load. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:17, 29 September 2013 (UTC)