Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 218

sign
I wanted to change my signature i did and it was  Cincao  0  3. And i went to preferences and changed it to that. And put it in but showed up in wiki text. And does not have the colors and it looks weird. The hole thing is linked and says user:cincao03. It works for other users is there anything i could do to correct it &#91;&#91;User:Cincao03&#124;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;red&#34;&#62;Cincao&#60;/font&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;sup&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;Special:contributions/Cincao03&#124;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;blue&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;0&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/font&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;User talk:Cincao03&#124;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;pink&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;3&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/font&#62;&#93;&#93; (talk) 23:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Preferences -> Signature -> Treat the above as wiki markup. . Make sure that box is ticked! --LukeSurlt c 23:45, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Hey Cincao03. This is far from my area of expertise I should say, but I think the problem is from the unpaired and strangely located, which is I suspect an artifact from a prior version that never got removed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

LukeSurlt c and Fuhghettaboutit (talk) I tried both of them and it was not fixed the right way, could one of you put it the right way and send it to me on my talk page please!! — Preceding undated comment added 23:59, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Relax... Set the code to:  and check the treat as wikitext box directly below it in your preferences. Doing this will result in a signature that looks like  Cincao 0 3. I will note that most of that signature has too low of a color contrast ratio and therefor will be difficult for many readers to see and as such I suggest darkening the colors a bit   for  Cincao 0 3 — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 00:11, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I know Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) but i want it all in bold. i want the 03 in bold — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cincao03 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to to the Teahouse, . You can have a spiffy signature if you want, as I do. But please keep in mind that the purpose of this project is to build a free encyclopedia, and everything else is secondary to that. You've made over 80 edits so far, but only a single one was to an encyclopedia article. Please try to pay attention to the purpose of this project.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  00:57, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey Technical 13you and User:Sinebot everything you have sent me or told me for the signatures have not worked!!! Technical 13 i tried the 2 choices you sent me it didnt work, and Sinebot what the hell are you talking about, i want this  Cincao  0 3  but when i put it on my preferences it come up as &#91;&#91;User:Cincao03&#124;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;red&#34;&#62;Cincao&#60;/font&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;sup&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;Special:contributions/Cincao03&#124;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;blue&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;0&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/font&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;User talk:Cincao03&#124;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;pink&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;3&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/font&#62;&#93;&#93; (talk), but i want to just hit the 4 tildes (&#91;&#91;User:Cincao03&#124;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;span style&#61;&#34;color:#C00&#59;&#34;&#62;Cincao&#60;/span&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#93;&#93;&#60;sup&#62;&#91;&#91;Special:contributions/Cincao03&#124;&#60;span style&#61;&#34;color:#00C&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;0&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/span&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;User talk:Cincao03&#124;&#60;span style&#61;&#34;color:#D77&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;3&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/span&#62;&#93;&#93;&#60;/sup&#62;&#60;/span&#62; (talk) 00:54, 7 June 2014 (UTC)). But it dosent i will give one of you my pass word, and do it for me!! And dont hack it or i will report the crap out of you
 * Do NOT reveal your password to anyone. Compromised accounts will be blocked. Please try to get your priorities straight.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  01:00, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

 Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  i tried to change my signature to this  Cincao   0  3  and i go to preferences and put it in and shows up as &#91;&#91;User:Cincao03&#124;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;red&#34;&#62;Cincao&#60;/font&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;sup&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;Special:contributions/Cincao03&#124;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;blue&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;0&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/font&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;User talk:Cincao03&#124;&#60;font color&#61;&#34;pink&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;3&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/font&#62;&#93;&#93; (talk), but i want to just hit the 4 tildes (&#91;&#91;User:Cincao03&#124;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;span style&#61;&#34;color:#C00&#59;&#34;&#62;Cincao&#60;/span&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;&#93;&#93;&#60;sup&#62;&#91;&#91;Special:contributions/Cincao03&#124;&#60;span style&#61;&#34;color:#00C&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;0&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/span&#62;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;User talk:Cincao03&#124;&#60;span style&#61;&#34;color:#D77&#34;&#62;&#39;&#39;&#39;3&#39;&#39;&#39;&#60;/span&#62;&#93;&#93;&#60;/sup&#62;&#60;/span&#62; (talk) and they have told me everything and it dosent work. So could you please tell me anything else about my signature getting changed. Cinca03 — Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I can see there are still  tags in what you are claiming is coming back for your signature, which means you are not doing what I guided you to doing. I suggest you read over WP:SIG and take a look at File:Raw_signature.png.  I want you to start by making your preferences look exactly like what is in that screenshot.  Then, I want you to change   into:
 * Then, scroll all the way to the bottom of the page and click the save preferences button. Finally, come back here and post, and click the save button. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 01:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

My new sign  Cincao ' 0 ' 3   Cincao ' 0 ' 3   Cincao ' 0 ' 3   Cincao ' 0 ' 3  01:56, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Almost looks like you got it working. You apparently just need to just completely blank that box and put ONLY:
 * in the box and click save preferences. You seem to have multiple overlapping and poorly coded versions in there.  Clearing it out completely and just pasting in the code in the box above should fix it. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 11:39, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Articles tagged citation needed
Hi, I've started going through articles listed in Category: Wikipedia articles needing factual section and I've already done several but just this afternoon for example, I worked on two articles listed under May 2014, the NetBSD article and the Big O notation article. But when I went back to category list I noticed that the two articles were still in the list, even after I selected the link to update the page.

I just want to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Thanks. David Condrey (talk) 01:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Big O notation doesn't seem to have the category listed on the page anymore (which means it will be cleared out of the category on the next pass of the job queue). I'm researching why NetBSD seems to still be in the category, I'm guessing a buggy template or something.. Be back momentarily... — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 01:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I tried to find what is causing it, but I'm just too tired tonight. It has to be one of the templates is placing it in all of those categories, and based on what digging I've done, it is none of the directly used templates, so it must be a template called by a template which can be a pain to find... I'll dig it out tomorrow if someone reminds me.  I wouldn't worry too much, you did everything correctly. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:00, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's Better source. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:53, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I was just too tired last night to do any more digging.  Perhaps Category:All pages needing factual verification should have a note at the top of it saying that pages using Better source are listed in that category so the next person will be able to figure it out more quickly? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 11:40, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Reporting an inappropriate username
Going through Wikipedia, I stumbled across a user with an inappropriate username, one that could be seen as offensive. As I'm still rather new to all this, I'm not sure how to report the username.

Thanks in advance! Isis Athena Artemis Talk 06:16, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, IsisAthenaArtemis, welcome back to the Teahouse! I'd first try talking, so the user can have an opportunity to create a new account or request a change in username. But if it is coupled with inappropriate conduct on Wikipedia (as I suspect is the case with the user you want to report), then it may be better to just head straight to usernames for administrative attention.  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 06:49, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * To add to Anon126's response, Wikipedia's policy on usernames is at Username policy. The page entails what constitutes an inappropriate username and how one can deal with them. Best, Mz7 (talk) 15:10, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Venezuela - Registrating This Proyect Legaly In this moment can I submit the info? Yli Scarch (talk) 15:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Congratulations on your growth during these years, big fan of the wiki family. You guys are like my Bible. I want to star the submission of information about a proyect I've been working with 40 other people or more. Its creating Music Embassies Around The world, But it takes time, since the artist are being included by a workshop wich includes several levels. And we have to In the present, the first One its been made on our I Location in - Caruao, Vargas - also, through FB pages, and other outside activities we hve with musicians here in VENEZUELA and other countries.

Howerever, We are currently on the legaly paperwork of the Corporation World Music Embassy (since 2013) It includes so far 25. We need to star submitting and organizating info on the web. What happends with the copy rights. DO you guys protect also that the information provided came from my user name and this country right?

Cheers M8 Have a Nice one.

Yli Scarch (talk) 15:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome! By submitting content to Wikipedia, you release some rights to it, as explained in detail at Terms of Use and linked next to the "save" button at the bottom of the editing screen. You do keep the right to be attributed for your work under the terms of the CC-BY-SA license, which is visible in article histories. Since it sounds like you have a close personal connection to the subject of your inquiry, please also review our policy on conflict of interest. Thanks, and again, welcome! VQuakr (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

How to become a page patroller
Hey fellow hosts, This is actually a question from a Teahouse host myself, I wanted to know how one can become an page patroller? Thanks, Schoolskater (talk) 16:02, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no formal permission or requirement in order to start patrolling. There is a practical requirement that some degree of experience is needed to properly evaluate a new article. If you haven't already, consider reading over the guidelines at WP:NPP, particularly the parts about not being too aggressive with speedy deletion tags or otherwise violating WP:BITE. You could add a userbox from that page to your user page if you wanted, as well. Then, head over to Special:NewPagesFeed and start reviewing! If you have questions or would like a second opinion on any patrols, feel free to post a message on my talk page or at WT:NPP. VQuakr (talk) 16:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Citing unpublished Club documents
Hi. I am working in my sandbox with an introduction to the formation of the Motor Caravanners' Club. Some of my information is from early unpublished documents. Can I put copies of these documents on the Motor Caravanners' website and point to them, or can I add these to Wikipedia so that they can verify my statements. Many thanks Harrycuthbert.Harrycuthbert (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Harrycuthbert and welcome to The Teahouse. You can't add the documents themselves to Wikipedia, and if unpublished, they might not qualify as an independent reliable source.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Relying on unpublished documents is considered original research, which isn't allowed here on Wikipedia. But original research is perfectly fine elsewhere. You can write an article based on such research and submit it for publication in an historical journal or other such reliable source. Once your article is published, it can be used as a reference here.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  01:09, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi folks, thanks for the information. I thought that I may have problems here. I'll have to consider what my next step will be. Thanks againHarrycuthbert (talk) 16:21, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Want to check before I change the structure of this article
I am trying to figure out if it would be okay to change the Glossary of BDSM from bullet-style to template-structured as described by the Manual of Style/Glossaries, and exemplified by the Glossary of chess. But when I try to ask on the talk page for that article, it refuses to save.

Should I just go ahead?

Xiaoyingtai (talk) 22:40, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Why do we use UTC?
Why do we use UTC instead of our local time zone? UTC is hard and confusing to understand, Idont get it. Also, I have an idea for the encyclopedia. I think there should be a comments section on every article. Many places on wikipedia are for "talking anout things that only relate to the editing of wikipedia". Well, a commemts section would help make the encyclopedia more "freespeech" and have anybody talk about what they want on the comments section. Future WWE Champion, DrewieStewie (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We use UTC because Wikipedia is an international project with contributors from every timezone. UTC is useful because it is effectively the "middle" of all the world's timezones.
 * As for comments, Wikipedia is a project to build an encylopedia. It does not want to organise a general forum for discussion on everything, there are plenty of other places on the internet for that. --LukeSurlt c 14:50, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. Not exactly sure why the default is UTC, but probably has to do with what LukeSur posted. FYI, you can set your preferences set to display times in your local time zone. Go to "preferences", then "appearance" and then "time offset" to pick whichever time zone you like. You might also want to read WP:LOCO. As for your other questions, please check out "What Wikipedia is not?". That might clear up a few things. Hope that helps. - Marchjuly (talk) 15:05, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is a global project. We have editors here from nearly every corner of the world, across many different time zones. We use Universal Time as a way to unify all the time zones. I often imagine it as a "wiki-time". If you want, you can change the time zone that appears in edit histories by going to Special:Preferences.
 * A section for free comments on Wikipedia is a commonly proposed idea, but remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and thus there are certain things Wikipedia is not. Wikipedia is not a social networking website or a means for advertising/promotion. The page at Perennial proposals puts it best: our purpose is to create an encyclopedia, not to provide a place for people to hold random discussions on various topics. Additionally, hosting such discussions would require volunteers or staff to monitor and/or moderate these discussions, delete WP:BLP violations, block or ban disruptive users, and so on, which would reduce the time these people (likely Admins) have to spend on activities that do improve the encyclopedia. Regards, Mz7 (talk) 15:05, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Even though Wikia does the system (on certain wikis) and doesn't really have a problem with it, i understand, considering Wikipedia is a more popular website and has a lot more vandalism than Wikia. Even though I still don't understand UTC, I'll still try to do my best with it :) Thank you very much :))))) Future WWE Champion, DrewieStewie (talk) 15:13, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You can set your local time at Special:Preferences. It doesn't affect signatures and a few other things, but user contributions, page histories and most other places will show your local time. Additionally, at Special:Preferences you can select "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time." PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, . UTC is the standard abbreviation in all languages for Coordinated Universal Time, which is the modern equivalent of Greenwich Mean Time. It is the worldwide standard time used by worldwide scientific projects, and is clearly appropriate as Wikipedia's standard time. Getting used to it helps remind you that this is a worldwide project.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  22:49, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Say, I live in Northern California. Which one do i choose? thats the part I need help with. Future WWE Champion, DrewieStewie (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * All of California is in the same time zone. Pick "America/Los Angeles". PrimeHunter (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Why is trying to contribute so frustrating? First the sources where the problem, now the writing?
Hey,

as I am very interested in Tuning companies I have so far mostly done some minor edits on articles about 1 or 2 of these companies.

Some time ago I wanted to contribute more and write my first own article, of course about a tuning company. After some initial problems with submitting, the article was rejected because of the references. I added a reference from one of the recommended source, unfirtunately there was a typo and the link was dead. However the editor who then rejected it due to the dead link now suddenly also criticizes the article overall, saying "it just mentions the company exists and spends the rest of the paragraph talking up how effective their mods are". First of all I have tried to describe what this company does while keeping it short and informative, therefore I think this comment is abit unfair. Second, I tried to give an example of which effects their modifications have, but kept it very objective. I think talking about that when writing about a tuning company it is relevant to give some examples with numbers, and I have not written anything like that they are "super effective" or have an "awesome performance" (which you can actually find in some articles about other tuning companies).

So my question is basically, is it usual that editors add more reasons for rejecting an article? Because if it is like that, then I don't see any point in working on it any further, as the next editor might criticize something new after I have worked on the earlier reasons for the rejection of the article.

Best regards

Ladehemmung (talk) 23:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I understand your frustration, but encourage you to stick with it. What you describe is not at all uncommon. Put yourself in the shoes of an experienced reviewer: You see a draft article, written in good faith, that seems to have many problems. Your natural tendency is to first mention a couple of the most serious problems. If those are resolved properly, now two or three moderate problems seem worth mentioning. You may perceive this as "moving the goalposts" but the reviewer may see it as "getting the article into shape" so that it can be accepted into the encyclopedia. Even at that point, the article may have four or five minor problems, but those can be dealt with later.


 * Please remember that what you write and contribute here no longer belongs to you, and it can be criticized, analyzed, changed, edited, expanded or cut back by any editor for any good reason. Your article could be approved in good faith by the reviewer at Articles for Creation, and then a couple of days later, another editor could nominate it for Articles for Deletion. At that time, a bunch of new editors may start criticizing it or defending it. This is just a brief description of the collaborative work that makes this encyclopedia function.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  00:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * If you're interested in car tuning, then I'd suggest leaving companies alone and maybe looking at some more technical articles. Articles on companies are always hard. Unless they're huge, notability is often unclear and sources tend to be self-published. There are lots of topics and articles though on the technical aspects of tuning or car design where there's either nothing, or a very poor stub. There's lots of scope in that area. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:00, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I need help with my first article about a performer, Gail Boggs
Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Gail_Boggs&action=edit Thanks, CherylAnneGelling CherylAnneGelling (talk) 00:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The reviewer who declined your submission gave you some excellent advice. So your first step is to read all of those links, and implement those recommendations. YouTube and IMDb.com are almost never accepted as reliable sources in Wikipedia articles. I noticed an unreferenced quotation from Bonnie Raitt, and unreferenced quotations are unacceptable. Every single quote needs a reference. I encourage you to read carefully about the neutral point of view. Much of your prose is overly promotional, and needs to be edited to a dry and neutral statement of verifiable facts. Your references are bare URLs. Instead, format them as proper footnotes as described in Referencing for beginners. I hope my comments are helpful.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  01:02, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I have tried to help by adding a reference for the Nile Rodgers book. Best, Oldbeeg (talk) 02:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Can't change my bio photo
I created my account and have had my username and password for a long time. For some reason, someone deleted by bio photo. I own the photo and now I can't seem to get it back on my page. I am "Frank W. Gaskill" - psychologist. Thanks for your help Fgaskill (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Fgaskill, and welcome to the Teahouse! Here is the deletion log for your photo, as seen at the Wikimedia Commons. It looks like your picture was deleted for a lack of permission. Do you own the copyrights to the photo? If so, you need to follow the process outlined for the Common's OTRS process in order to establish that you own the rights to freely license your picture. If you don't own the copyrights, you will need to get hold of the copyright holder and ask if they will freely license the picture by emailing OTRS. Hope this helps. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 02:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I do own the rights. I will check the link. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fgaskill (talk • contribs) 02:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Fair use of image novice question
Hi. I created a template that included an image (Template:Albert Einstein World Award of Science Laureates), and the image was flagged in the past related to not having a good source. I changed the source, however it is not clear to me whether this is enough for auditors to be happy. I have expressed permission from the owner(i.e. World Cultural Council) of the image to use it in Wikipedia. Is it ok to start using the image again? Thanks in advance!

Healing Mandala (talk) 06:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Healing Mandala, and welcome to the Teahouse. As of right now, the image is fully copyrighted and considered non-free. Wikipedia's goal is to provide free content whenever possible; however, there are times when copyrighted images have to be used under a claim of fair use, such as to illustrate a video game cover, a comic book character, or any other situation where a freely-licensed version will not do. In this case, using the non-free picture of the medal to illustrate a navigation template is not necessary for the sake of illustrating the template. It is, however, necessary to illustrate the Albert Einstein World Award of Science article. Hope this helps. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 07:12, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As for the permission from the owner to use the image on Wikipedia, that's only useful is the owner has agreed to freely license the image with a free license accepted by Wikipedia. If that's the case, the owner will have to forward their expressed permission to Wikipedia using Wikipedia's OTRS process. Let us know if you have any more questions! ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 07:16, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)Welcome to the Teahouse, . Fair use is a legimate legal concept, but Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects strive to provide completely free content wherever possible. Accordingly, our standards for use of Non-free images are much more restrictive, and in general, we use a non-free image only when it is not possible to substitute a free image.


 * If the copyright holder, the World Cultural Council, wishes to release the image under an acceptable Creative Commons license, then they must do so formally in writing. This will release the image to be used by anyone, anywhere, for any purpose including commercial purposes, as long as the owner/creator is credited properly. Please refer to WP:OTRS for instructions about how to communicate with the Wikimedia Foundation about the licensing.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  07:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, SuperHamster! I saw a template from the Nobel Prize and thought that I could use it in a similar way. I just realized the Nobel Prize medal design is considered public domain in the US. Thanks again!

Healing Mandala (talk) 07:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen! I'll have to read and document myself more on this. The WCC may need to review all legalities first. Thanks! Healing Mandala (talk) 07:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Accessibility of tables
Hi, I have stumbled across several articles that use the color of a table to convey important information; articles such as List of supercentenarians who died in 2014 and pretty much every other list down in the navbox for that article. WP:COLOR recommends not to use color in this way because visually impaired people may not be able to see them. I am sensitive to this issue and would like to fix these articles but I have absolutely no clue on what symbol to use if any, or how to convey its meaning to the reader. I noticed they used a "pending" and "verified" labeling system at the top of the tables - I was thinking to maybe add an asterisk* but, again, I am stumped on how to integrate it into that area. Anything constructive is welcome! Thank you. 「 dsprc 」  [ talk ]  22:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm...good question! That bright blue looks so bad. I imagine there's a number of acceptable ways to do this. What about adding a new "Verified?" column to the table, listing yes/no for each person? Example of a similar idea being executed can be seen here. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 02:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The extra column is a great idea and should solve this problem. The example was also very helpful. Thank you so much. (: 「 dsprc 」   [ talk ]  07:34, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Best way to link two articles to one pseudonymous name?
Hi Teahouse. There are two separate bio articles that I would like to link with some kind of page to their shared pen name. Currently, it doesn't appear this pseudonym needs a bio of 'his' own. I don't see an actual redirect working as this needs to go to two separate places. Would a short page with a brief bio and explanation work with wikilinks to the two 'real' people? Or is some other solution better? Thanks, Oldbeeg (talk) 11:29, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome back Oldbeeg! I'm assuming by link you mean merge so here is what you should do. Other hosts may also help you out, as I not 100% clear on what you mean. You can seek consensus of both talk pages to merge both articles into one pseudonymous name or you could probably even put redirects on both pages to the name with both articles' information in that pseudonymous name article. WooHoo! • Talk to me!  13:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, WooHoo. I found that a redirect from Sam Cabot (the pen name) to Carlos Dews (one of the writers, a newly created page) was created by the reviewer who accepted the Dews page. The problem shouldn't be solved by merging the two (S. J. Rozan is the other writer) pages, though, because they are separate people, each of whom is more noteworthy than Sam Cabot. But for those who look for Sam Cabot, I'd like to see a way for them to easily find both Dews and Rozan information. By linking, I had meant to use wikilinks to the two writers separate pages. Best, Oldbeeg (talk) 13:27, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

help making a citation, not clear on text fields, e.g., "Last Name" and "First Name"
does "last name" and "first name" refer to the citation author or my name? Also not clear on "Ref" ("ID for anchor"), is that a nickname, so to speak, for the reference? I looked around some but did not find a guide for these questions. Thank you. Chauncey (talk) 16:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The name fields refer to the author of the work that you are citing. If you are using the reference only once, you simply designate it as "ref". If you are planning to use the same reference several times in the same article, then you use "ref name=X", with X being a simple memory device to help you to keep track of it. Yes, it is a nickname. A distinctive word from the title or the author's last name are possible choices, and this is not displayed to readers of the article. I recommend Referencing for beginners for a good overview.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  16:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikilinking to other languages
Please, tell me how to link to Wiki articles in another language. I tried using the template Languagecode:Title, as explained in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking, but I can't make it work. The link in the saved page appears as Languagecode:Title. The part of Languagecode shouldn't be visible. Thanks in advance.

Bramblebough 00:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)Bramblebough Bramblebough 00:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bramblebough (talk • contribs)
 * @Bramblebough:  Hi Bramblebough. to link to another language Wikipedia's article (not "wiki" btw) Just type inside of doubled brackets a colon, followed by a language code and another colon followed by the name of the article at that Wikipedia. So for example, if you wanted to link to the French Wikipedia article on Bertrand Russell, you'd type  . For a list of language codes, see List of ISO 639-1 codes. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:58, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * If you want it not to look like fr:Bertrand Russell, but Bertrand Russell, you can use a "pipe" symbol thus: Bertrand Russell . All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 05:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC).


 * Hi and thanks for the question. Having looked over your draft on Manuel João Ramos, where I assume you want to use inter-wiki links, I think that you need to read Wikipedia's linking guidelines to understand what should be linked to what and how to do that. For example, you have included inter-wiki links to Portuguese Wikipedia in the article body without giving any indication that the target article is in a foreign language. If you want to link to Portuguese Wikipedia you should use the ill template to alert readers that the target page is not in English. Similarly, you have also linked words directly to external sources (inline URLS), which is not how Wikipedia works. If you want your article to be accepted then you will need to ensure that it meets the required guidelines. Good luck!  Philg88 ♦talk 07:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Fuhghettaboutit. Have I done something wrong? Again. Since I translate from the Swedish Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia I have to write these exact words a number of times when talking about articles with other users and here at the Teahouse. To save time (not being disrespectful) I usually use the short SweWiki and EngWiki. Am I considered rude when I do this? If so I will cease it this instant, it was never my intention to be rude. Btw, is it ok "to Wiki"? Or is Wikipedia fighting a similar battle as Google did when they tried to get people not "to Google" but "to use the Google search engine"? Unfortunately, there are so many ways to "be rude" without knowing it when entering into a new community. Best, - W.carter (talk) 11:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey W.carter. It would never be considered "rude" (the linked page is intended to be a lighthearted way of explaining the issue and uses hyperbole like "foul-mouthed"; that's not serious); it's just that it's tortured grammar when wiki is used as a proper noun because it's a generic term and there are thousands of wikis.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:23, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you Fuhghettaboutit. Time for me to exhale... :) - W.carter (talk) 16:58, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Note that this question was also on WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk (where it was  by the original poster) and Help desk (where it received an answer by me and ). — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 17:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

How can I get an individual athelete a page amongst his peers as athletes from Paterson NJ
Oftentimes, I research Wikipedia to get information on various folks. however, today I happened to research many of my friends who are athletes and did not see certain names of some very inspirational local individuals who were not on the list. My name is Mr. Zatiti Moody and I am the Principal at the famed Eastside HS in Paterson NJ. I happen to know many of the names on the list that was hoping to help add to this site by submitting some valuable names to this site. Myself, I am an esteemed graduate Eastside high School(1992) in Paterson, NJ who was an all-state football player and honor student who went on to start for 3 years as a defensive end at the University of Pittsburgh. I went on to secure my Masters degree and came back to Paterson as a School Social Worker and in only 3 short years became a building administrator equivalent to a Principal at the age of 26yrs old. Now currently the Principal of one of the most famous schools in America. Through, this journey I have many, many friends and family members who are depicted on this wonderful site. However, I also have some folks who definitely deserve to be depicted as well. Just this past week our current Basketball coach Mr. Juan Griles who is regarded as one of the best HS coaches in NJ was recently inducted into his college Hall of Fame. Coach Griles who had his Team ranked as high as #1in NJ and #38 in the USA today Polls beat the legendary Bob Hurley this year and received some national acclaim for having our Public School Team reach heights that have not been reached in over 70 years. Coach Griles was a standout basketball player at CW Post (now LIU Post) and was inducted into the Hall of Fame there last week. Coach Juan went on to have a 17 yr professional career in Puerto Rico. I would really like to have Coach Griles along with notable others submitted to be added to your site to represent our great City of Paterson. Eastsidehs1992 (talk) 14:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I recommend that you read an essay called A Primer for newcomers, and also Your first article. Please be aware that some athletic figures may be considered famous locally, but may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines in the relevant sports. I encourage you to read up on the relevant guidelines as well, at WP:ATH. If you conclude that they meet our guidelines, then start the articles. Return to the Teahouse any time for specific questions.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  16:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Eastsidehs1992, and welcome to the teahouse. Your request is quite a tricky project, for reasons that I will try to explain. Wikipedia has a concept of "notability", and treats it somewhat differently from how normal people use that word. So for example, after some lengthy and quite bitter arguments, Wikipedia has a general understanding that all high schools are notable, and thus that there can be a separate article about each high school. The same general understanding indicates that almost all primary schools are not notable, and thus there should not be a separate article about each one, unless certain exceptions apply.


 * Now, it is our practice that an article about a high school would normally list the principal, but it would not list the basketball coach (or the Head of Science) unless that person were notable in their own right. Thus Wikipedia's article Shrewsbury School lists its current headmaster (and, curiously, the current head of the governing body), and later in that same article it also lists Anthony Chenevix-Trench, who was not notable (by Wikipedia's standards) while he was merely a teacher and head of house there, but later went on to become notable by other things he did. But it does not list the Head of Science or Head of English or indeed whoever is in charge of Sport(s) education there currently.


 * Even being mentioned or listed (by name) in the article about a school, does not make one notable and therefore does not mean there is an article about the person. So, using that example, Wikipedia lists Mark Turner as the current headmaster of Shrewsbury School, but does not have an article about him. (I recently invented a rule of thumb that there are some very few secondary schools, for example Eton College, where having been head master there means a person is almost certain to be notable, but neither Shrewsbury School nor Eastside High School would be included in this very small category of schools.) Curiously, if you click the wikilink Mark Turner, you find that there are six Mike Turners about whom Wikipedia does have articles, and that four of them are sportspeople.


 * And that's where you may be on to a winner, because Wikipedia's notability requirements for sportspeople are considerably more lax (as far as I can see) than those for educators and military leaders and have-a-go heroes and minor local politicians and many other categories of people. So for example, if someone spent seventeen years as a professional basketball player, then there is a possibility that he might meet the notability guideline WP:NBASKETBALL. It's worth reading the top part of that page as well just to understand what it is saying.


 * Sadly I am rather ignorant about basketball, and about U.S. sports in general, so it would be well worth your asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American football about the likely notability of the people you mention. (Or alternatively, perhaps people more knowledgeable than I can reply here - User:Go Phightins!, for example?)


 * Notwithstanding the notability guideline above, Wikipedia puts a great deal of emphasis on reliable sources that talk about the person - for example newspaper articles. Cullen is right that local fame does not translate to notability by Wikipedia's standards. But another rule of thumb I have is that if seven different local or regional newspapers talk about a person in some detail, that person may well be notable; by contrast if the The Times, The New York Times and the Washington Post (for example) all talk about the person in some detail, that's certainly enough on its own.


 * Your best approach might be to decide which of the people you mention would most easily meet some of these requirements, and then ask at the Wikiproject talkpages I mention above. Ultimately you will need to draft the article yourself - it's easier than you think! But do feel free to ask further questions here if you prefer. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Page submission rejected - why?
Hi there,

As you seem to have noticed, my page submission was rejected twice. Most recently, I was advised that the discography is 'not referenced at all'. This is not exactly true, as far as I am aware. I did add references to that section and every other one possible.

My question is, basically, what can I do to make the page acceptable? The subject of my page already has Wikipedia articles in both Dutch and French (he is a Belgian DJ). I wonder, therefore, why an English one is not allowed because 'subject notability' isn't sufficiently proved?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Nikify (talk) 13:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm not going to express an opinion as to whether notability is established, but the French and Dutch articles do not directly establish notability, for two reasons: first, each Wikipedia has its own rules, and so the criteria may be different; and secondly, even within English Wikipedia it is a well established principle that other stuff exists is not a strong argument.
 * As for the Discography: as far as I can see, there are seven references for a discography of about eighty items. While this is no longer "not referenced at all", it is still not adequately referenced. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

When to split-out a list from an article
Hi Teahouse - I'm trying to figure out if this list of Dale Chihuly's works in permanent collections should be split out into it's own (list) article. I've been reading some MoS pages, particularly Manual of Style/Lists of works, where it says "a separate article for a list of that person's works ... is warranted if the list becomes so long that its inclusion in the main article would be unsuitable." I think the list on Chihuly's page does seem long compared to the rest of the article, but I wanted to get your advice before I go ahead and split it out. Is there anything else I should take into account? Thanks in advance, rchopman (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extabulis (talk • contribs)
 * Hey rchopman - I could definitely see why you want to split the page. The best way to go about this is to propose the split on the article's talk page, and then mark the list section on the article with Template:Split section to let others know that you have have proposed splitting the list. I'd let the discussion run until there is a consensus (or, if no one contributes to the discussion and there are no objections after a couple weeks, I'd go ahead and split it). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 18:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Will do - thanks! rchopman (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * @SuperHamster:  Hello! Is a new page preferable to a "Wikitable collapsible collapsed" or a collapsible "sort table" in articles like this. I'm going to face a similar problem with a new article I'm working on, and had thought to use that option. - W.carter (talk) 19:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yea, I'd say a new page is preferable. Concealing article content is typically a last resort. In addition to the MOS section Extabulis linked to that discusses splitting off long lists into new articles, MOS:COLLAPSE describes how article content typically shouldn't be collapsed. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 19:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank You SuperHamster, may nuts, sun flower seeds and dry cookies always be abundant to you. - W.carter (talk) 19:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk page issues
Hello fellow Teahousers! This user sent me something about filling in "Grammy Award nominations" here and I'm wondering if it is because I nominated this article for deletion. Also, it appears from this page that he only sent me messages about The "Grammy Awards". Was he assuming good faith or just telling me something I don't really have interest in? WooHoo! • Talk to me!  13:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi and welcome back to the Teahouse, WoohHoo. I am not sure I understand what the problem is. Could you be more specific please? Schoolskater (talk) 14:42, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello ! By the way, my username is User:BrandonWu, not WooHoo, as that's just my signature ;). I was on patrolling new pages, and I found Cheryholmes III: Don't Believe. I tagged it for CSD and then the author, Dfrr, sent me a message on my talk page about Grammy Awards. I believe that it could've been because I nominated his page or it could be spam? <b style= "color:#085;">WooHoo!</b> • Talk to me!  20:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Resign from being host
Hey Teahouse, I am a relatively new editor and I don't think that I have enough experience for being a Teahouse host. Is there any way I can resign. I have really enjoyed working with you other host. But I think I should resign until I am experienced enough. Thanks, Schoolskater (talk) 15:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless you were on the list of hosts, I think that's fine. There isn't any problem with you answering questions you know the answer to though, you don't have to be a host to answer queries. Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  15:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Anyone who has added their name to the list of hosts can remove it at any time., you are always welcome to ask questions here, or to answer them if you are reasonably sure you know the correct answer.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  16:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The best part, is that you don't even have to remove your name from the list! If you become inactive on this page, then  will remove your name for you!  Since everything on Wikipedia is volunteer based, you can come and go as you please, there is no "resigning" per-say.  Experience comes from making mistakes, or at least being accused of making mistakes.  Many of our hosts here don't know the answer to a majority of the questions asked.  What we do know, is where me might go to find an answer for many of them, and if you don't know, or don't have time to research an answer, it's okay to leave it for the next helper!  Anyways, happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 16:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey User:Schoolskater, one of the important parts of the teahouse is that it's an, umm, teahouse. What I mean is, if someone gave you advice two weeks ago, then someone else asks for advice here today, and you are sure the advice is relevant, you can help that person! That has always been part of the teahouse ideal and ethos - and I can say this even though I am not a Teahouse Host but in fact I am only a Junior Wrangler here.


 * It has made me very proud that some of the people I have helped at the teahouse have gone on to be great editors themselves, and some of them have also gone on to help other people who asked for help here. I may be slightly biased, but there isn't really an Approved and Unapproved. Just sometimes take it very slowly - but your input is always welcome. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

file
I uploaded this file File:Texas vs texas tech.jpg   They said it was apparopite, but they already had an image but this is a horrible image File:2008 TTUvsTT Fans.jpg So they are deleting my photo which is better than the other one  Cincao ' 0 ' 3  20:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Cincao03 - the image you have uploaded is fully copyrighted and considered non-free. Wikipedia's goal is to provide free content whenever possible; however, there are times when copyrighted images have to be used under a claim of fair use, such as to illustrate a video game cover, a comic book character, or any other situation where a freely-licensed version will not do. In this case, using the non-free picture to illustrate a football game when we already have a freely-licensed picture that conveys the same thing is not accepted. Let us know if you need any more clarification! ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 21:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Help needed to untangle multiple Undos of Undos...
I am too new to sort this tangle out, and I hope somebody can help. The article Canadian Rockies is a mess - basically the whole article is repeated twice. And there is a complex chain of people undoing one another's changes to try and fix it, which all seem to be digging it into a deeper hole. Could some kind person who knows what he/she is doing please take a look at it?

P.S. If this is not the proper place to ask, then I ask whether you can find it in your hearts to forgive me, and perhaps even to point me in the right direction. Gronk Oz (talk) 14:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

P.P.S. As far as I can see, the last good version was the one at 11:33, 3 May 2014‎ by Der Golem. Gronk Oz (talk) 14:57, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks to Fylbecatulous, who fixed it! --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Why are articles included in Articles that need updating even though they do not have the update template within?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_in_need_of_updating_from_January_2013

In the above page, for example, we see 'HIV' listed as one of the articles in need of updating, but there is not update template to be found on the page.

This is normal? How did this occur?

Z10987 (talk) 03:18, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * , hello and welcome to the Teahouse! It's in the category for at least the fact that it has a tag in the Entry to the cell section. — 03:34, 9 June 2014 (UTC) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c)


 * @Z10987:  (e/c) Hey Z10987. The category is placed by other templates, such as  and . In the case of HIV, you can see the latter template in use in the last paragraph of HIV, where it says [ needs update ], which is what is placing it into the category. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:38, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for your clarification on the use of these templates! Z10987 (talk) 03:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

About the reflist template
Hey everyone :)

I just created an article about a blogger in Singapore, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Ngerng_(blogger)

Even though I added the reflist template at the end of the page, an error still shows up saying that there is no reflist template on the page. How do I correct this error?

Many thanks! 05:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey, high-five! I'm a Singaporean too! (LOL) I think that it did not show up because you put the title before the url and please make the accessdate in dmy dates (since it's SG). Please try. -- Nahnah4 |  Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!  |  No Editcountitis!  05:23, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅. I fixed it. It was a missing close . Nahnah4  |  Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!  |  No Editcountitis!  05:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * High-five! It's nice to see Singaporeans here in Wikipedia :) Thanks so much for helping to fix that one! Cheers, Z10987 (talk) 05:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * No problem. :) Nahnah4  |  Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!  |  No Editcountitis!  05:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Moving a file page
Hello! Sorry for keep asking questions even though I'm a host. Just want to ask, how to move a file page? -- Nahnah4 |  Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!  |  No Editcountitis!  04:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi . Ask as many questions as you like, that's what the Teahouse is for! You can move a file in exactly the same way you would move an article. That is usually done from the task bar at the top right, but it depends on how you have your preferences configured as to where the option actually appears. Philg88 ♦talk 04:52, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * But not all file pages have that black arrow. -- Nahnah4 |  Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!  |  No Editcountitis!  05:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm ... Odd. Can you tell me the specific filename so that I can take a look? Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 05:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Don't Tap the White Tile screenshot.png. -- Nahnah4 |  Any thoughts? Pen 'em down here!  |  No Editcountitis!  05:26, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I get the option to move it but I see that it is also tagged for "move to commons". Is that what you are trying to do? If so, cross-wiki moves are handled slightly differently. You need a tool like For the Common Good. If you want it moved to commons I'll do it for you. Philg88 ♦talk 05:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope, the picture was just requested to be moved to Commons by random users. I want to change the name, from Don't Tap the White Tile screenshot to Piano Tiles screenshot. It applies to the app icon.