Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 221

Creating a subpage or draft in sandbox - I need advice please
Hello,

I would like to add another article to my wiki account. What is the best way to do this if I have already created an account? Do I first create a subpage or should I just go to my user sandbox and just add in the above space? I searched and the article name is not in use but I want to make sure that I have the article name indicated within my draft.

I read on Wiki that subpages were not recommended. So, should I start the new article in my sandbox, then have some editors review and then submit my draft for review? Please advise on the steps on how to start another article draft within a current wiki account. Thanks in advance AdBCWi14 (talk) 19:31, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello AdBCWi14, welcome to the TeaHouse. One way would be to click this link User:AdBCWi14/sandbox2 and create your second sandbox there. Then your third sandbox at User:AdBCWi14/sandbox3 and so on. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:26, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, . You may create a new user subpage called User:AdBCWi1/Name of article, and many articles are created in this way. But the recommended method is to create Draft:Name of article. I believe that the Article wizard will do this for you. --ColinFine (talk) 21:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

How can i delete my uploads
How can i delete my upload like i uploaded an image i want to delete that how can i do this Alham Hussain (talk) 21:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, Alham Hussain. You cannot delete an image yourself, but you can request an administrator delete it. You can make such a request by placing a template on the image page. After you do that, administrator will delete the image soon under the WP:G7 criteria. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

my page deleted with strong explanation
ISKCON Ipoh... this is my page .... and ithave been deleted and this is what stated --> This is your only warning; if you use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. DGG ( talk ) 00:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC [14:49] kindly plz help me....why deleted ...im new and this is about non profit organisation then hw coud there be any advertising or promotion... so plz state what i shouldnt include on the article Dhayalan94 (talk) 06:53, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like your page was deleted because it had an unduly promotional tone. If you have a look here, it will explain why. Have you also messaged DGG to find out what was wrong? --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 07:24, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello . Our restriction against advertising and promotion applies to non-profit organizations as well as profit making ones, as such groups most certainly do advertise and promote themselves. As a long time volunteer for non-profits, I try to help promote them all the time, but not on Wikipedia. Please study the neutral point of view carefully, and comply with it going forward. This is expected of all Wikipedia editors. Thank you.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  07:42, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

ok seems u are nt specifying any of the content whih sounds promotional. ok is it bcoz i hv included offical blog and also official facebook page. ok may i get back my article in HTML format so that i can edit.it was so hard to make such article and im very new so it took me hours to do..


 * plz reply as soon as possible Dhayalan94 (talk) 07:49, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * ok seems u are nt specifying any of the content whih sounds promotional. ok is it bcoz i hv included offical blog and also official facebook page. ok may i get back my article in HTML format so that i can edit.it was so hard to make such article and im very new so it took me hours to doDhayalan94 (talk) 07:50, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. Please understand that for the most part the volunteer hosts here at the Teahouse are just regular volunteer editors like you.  You were advised in a previous comment to contact the administrator that actually deleted the article.  As an administrator, he can look it up and see it.  Us regular editors cannot.  Additionally, I cannot help but notice that you are struggling with the use of the English language.  Perhaps it may be better to try to contribute to an edition of Wikipedia in your native language? John from Idegon (talk) 08:21, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * lol are u sure uh? u talking about my english now.plz i know what im doing.

and plz dont humiliate people like this in public.plz have some common sense.and where did u noticed that my english is very weak.yeah imusing short words is it wrong?for sure gt typo error as im normal user.hope u understand. ya i have contacted the person who hv deleted my article. but thats ok.can i get back my article in HTML form.plz so that i can edit and correct my mistakes.tq Dhayalan94 (talk) 08:47, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * anyway tq so much for ur kind suggestion...tq very much againDhayalan94 (talk) 08:50, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Dhayalan94! I am sure John from Idegon did not mean to insult you about your language. It is just that since this is an encyclopedia, people here prefer that ordinary English written text is used even when posting here at the Teahouse. This is so that there will not be any misunderstanding. I understand exactly what you have written, but many others here are not used to the short "text talk" you are using and may think that you have a problem with English. If you don't use "text talk", "LOL", "l33t" or any other form of online lingo you will be taken more seriously. Best of luck to you, - W.carter (talk) 10:26, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * ok now i understand...im really sorry

ok i really need help now...plz help me... my page entitled ISKCON Ipoh have been deleted, so can i get back the article that i wrote in HTML format.It took me hours to write the article as im inexperienced and im very new to this.i would be glad if anyone could get me back the article so that i could edit. you can e-mail me the article. Tq so much Dhayalan94 (talk) 12:39, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * And and  have both advised you to ask the editor who deleted the article  for that. --ColinFine (talk) 21:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

(actually I only nominated for deletion;  deleted it. But here's the problem: the article consisted almost entirely of  the sort of information that would go on a web site, and be of interest only to members of the congregation: a list of the order of service  weekly assemblies, a list of  the annual festivals,  information, information about its catering service, its address, blog, Facebook, and email.(there was a paragraph explaining what sect it belonged to, and when it was founded--that part would be proper content, but almost all of it is about ISKON in general, not this particular branch. But none of it showed notability: the references consisted of listings in directories and its own website. We normally do not make articles on local congregations of any religion, because there is very little in the way of source that would concern the readers of an encyclopedia, and the articles necessarily consist only of the directory information that is not suitable.)only thing (the main exception is when its building is of major historical or architectural interest.) Unless you can find references providing substantial coverage from  3rd party independent published reliable sources, print or online, but   press releases, or material derived from press releases, I don't really see much chance of making an article. In this context, "independent" usually means not published by ISKON.  I'm sorry to disappoint you; possibly I could make an argument that we should include such content, but the very firm agreement here is that we will not, and I don't see it changing.    DGG ( talk ) 01:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

How can i creat and edit a page
i am new in wikipedia and i want to create a page so i want a little help for creating and editing the page how can i make tables some lines headlines and some other like this like titles so i need help for it to create a pageAlham Hussain (talk) 19:58, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Please read Your first article, and the Primer for newcomers.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  20:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:CHEATSHEET is good too. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:25, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes it is, . Thanks for mentioning that one.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  03:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Uploading Image
How could I upload images on my article? It seems i can not upload images because of permission issues.Cybals (talk) 02:04, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Image permissions are a very complex area on Wikimedia projects. If you describe the details of the image you want to upload, then we can give an answer tailored to your specific situation. Let me describe the easiest ways: If you take a photo yourself of a landscape, a common object, a historic building or the like, then there will be no problem uploading your photo to Wikimedia Commons if you agree to the terms of a Creative Commons license. This does not apply to photos you take of things that are already copyrighted, such as recent published works or recent works of art. If you find an image that was first published in the U.S. before 1923, copyright has expired, and you can upload that in a similar way. Any image already on Wikimedia Commons can be used freely, and there are tens of millions of them. But a large majority of images you find online or in recently published books are copyrighted and can't be used here, with very narrow exceptions described in our policy on use of non-free images. This is a brief, simplified summary of a complex area.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  03:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

approved article not coming up in google search
So my article got approved recently, but it isn't coming up on google when I search for it. Is it because there are not enough references or maybe the article is too new? Or maybe its just because of google's algorithm? Thanks in advance! The article --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qianhai Qianhaisghzq (talk) 04:47, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . It often takes a few days before Google indexes a new article properly. That being said, I just searched for "Qianhai" here in Northern California, and your article came up as the #7 hit in my search. You might want to purge your cache, as Google may be replicating an older search. My guess is that your article will probably rise in Google searches if you keep working to improve it.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * thank you so much for your timely response!! Qianhaisghzq (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, and thanks for your work to improve the encyclopedia.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Support from a previous FAC
During the first FAC of Gemini (2002 Tamil film), User:ColonelHenry gave some comments which have been addressed, although the article was not promoted. Now it is at its second FAC, but Henry is blocked, even though his concerns are still addressed. Can his "Support" tag from the first FAC still count? 19:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, ColonelHenry is now a blocked and banned editor. I do not think it likely that his past comments will have much influence on the current FAC.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  05:43, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Native knows better
Hello,

I wonder why contributors edits massively on an Wiki page of any topic or person of which the contributor is not native!

I have witnessed native users creates a Wiki page about a topic or person and non-native person uses his/her Senior level with manipulating edits.

For example I know my neighbour better than a person who lives in thousand miles away and tries to edit Wiki pages on the basis of some reference which the person believes or may be stack with. :)

Correct me if I am wrong.

Regards.

Dhruba Deka

DhrubaDeka (talk) 08:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello DhrubaDeka, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedians can edit any article they want to, whether they're familiar with the topic or not. They may be editing to copy edit the article, fix syntax or typos, or revert vandalism. However, as long as they cite their sources and write in a neutral point of view, there's nothing wrong with them being there. While a native might know about a subject more than others, sometimes other editors need to get involved to ensure the article meets encyclopedic standards and avoids any conflicts of interest. Cheers! --k6ka (talk &#124; contribs) 14:44, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, . It might be true that a native knows better; but the overriding criterion for Wikipedia is verifiability. The problem is that if the material is not referenced to a reliable published source, a reader tomorrow or next week or next year has no way of checking that it is correct: the person who posted the information might be mistaken, or lying, or pretending to be somebody close to the subject; or the person might have posted correct information and somebody else come along afterwards and vandalised it. Only if the information is referenced to a reliable published source has the reader got a way of checking it. (It does very rarely happen that an apparently reliable published source is itself wrong; but Wikipedia cannot do anything about that case, and still follows the source). --ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello & ,

I agree with your point. And thanks for your response.

I am aware about the citation and reference.

Even so, I have little confusion. Mostly the references are either News portal links or Official sites. And in India, media/newspapers itself under controversy of vandalism and bias reporting.Most of the well known and reputed Indian media are known for bias reporting now a days. While some small circulated media has the coverage of TRUTH but bigger media dominates the TRUTH by its circulation and read counts.

In such case, whom should we cite? The low circulated local media(which try to give a fight against bias and vandalism of reporting) for the local incident/topic/people or largest circulated bias media?

Your response will help me to come out of this confusion.

Thanks-

DhrubaDeka (talk) 04:00, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, . A Wikipedia article should summarize what the full range of reliable sources say about a topic. Academic sources such as books published by a university press are among the best sources. Newspaper sources should have professional editorial control and a reputation for accuracy, fact checking and correcting errors. The circulation size does not predict reliability of a newspaper. When in doubt, specific sources can be evaluated and discussed at the Reliable sources noticeboard.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:02, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Echo Point (lookout)
Echo Point (lookout) I've made a few links to this entry as the shorter form name is showing details of a tv show. Is this an acceptable name-ing usage ? Should Echo Point the tv be changed to include something else ? Can I make a disam page for three items as opposed to the disam page for just Echo ? Compared to Ruined Castle how short is too short ? Dave Rave (talk) 05:13, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello . We have no article by that name. Please provide a link to the exact name of the article, so that we can comment appropriately. Thank you.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:11, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I really hate elaborating when the details are already in the question. --Dave Rave (talk) 16:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Since doesn't seem inclined to provide the clarification that  requested, I think the point is that existing links to Echo Point should not be pointing to and article about a television programme, so Dave has changed them to redlinks, and is asking about the name he has chosen for the non-yet-existent article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, I get it now. , this is a collaborative project and sometimes we all need to make an effort to clarify a point so that we can help each other. You are correct that a link should not go to an unrelated article. The red links you've created are appropriate, if that Echo Point is commonly called a "lookout". If the TV show is the most widely known usage of the term, then the main article title should stay the same. But discussion of which meaning is primary is premature until an article about the lookout is written. Short articles are OK and we call them stubs, but it is best to make the effort to write a somewhat longer and more informative article, properly referenced. If you want to do so, you may find Your first article to be helpful.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:16, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

new uploaded page has title error and duplicate pix
Yesterday evening, I uploaded the article I was working on during a local wikipedia meetup as the host library closed. In the rush, I put (new article) at the end of the title. I noticed it today, but don't know how to remove it, and (flustered) don't even remember how to add the new article template to the top of the page. Also, I took a relevant picture for the article using an old book available at the event. My cable not working yesterday, I managed to upload it today. Unfortunately, it seems to display twice on infobox I put in the article (Christ Church (Easton, Maryland) (new article) yet I see only one link call. The good news is that it only shows once when I added it to another page (List of the original 30 Anglican parishes in Maryland), but then because of the title screwup, the article link doesn't work. Clearly, I'm not going to use it as a template for another article I wanted to create yesterday (for the historic All Saints Church in Frederick). At least I managed to take a couple of photos relevant for that article and uploaded and used them in the Frederick, Maryland article today without undue stress. Any help you can offer about the Easton church article problems would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.Jweaver28 (talk) 23:00, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello Jweaver28. I've changed the name and fixed the image problem. To change the article name, it is necessary to use the move tab next to the history tab. When you click it, you are presented with a simple form. There is a line which begins with "To new title:", next to which are two boxes, the second of which should have the current article name. Click and correct that name to whatever you want it to say. Then in the box below it, add a reason for changing the name. If the article has an associated talkpage, there will be another line below the reason box which says "Move associated talk page". More often than not we move talkpages when renaming the article although there might be a few occasions when you might need the talkpage to stay. Below that tickbox is another line which says "Watch source page and target page" which is entirely optional but most of us tend to watch any articles we edit because you can be alerted if the article is edited. Finally click the button which says "Move page".
 * As for the image problem, the infobox/template doesn't need the file code to be laid out as you would normally. Have a look at my edit and note how the name doesn't need the "File:" bit and the caption has a separate place further down the infobox parameters. Hope that helps.  Green Giant  ( talk )  23:17, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * To explain the redlink in the original question, I think the OP intended to refer to List of the original 30 Anglican parishes in the Province of Maryland. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

After edditing my sandboxed ext. links and references are gone
Dear Wikipedians I was just reveiwing a project I am responsible for in my Sandbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Mansouri/sandbox) when I confirmed the changes the last bit of my document isn't appearing in the read mode any more. As we'd like to send this article soon to review to Wikipedia I wanted to set up everything and now an important part is missing. How can I get the external links and the references back to appear again? In the edditing window they still show up.Magnus Mansouri (talk) 11:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the teahouse. Looks like you had a reference formatting issue in the final section. I think I've now fixed it.


 * Incidentally, Wikipedia accounts are intended to be used by one person each, so "we" is an alarming pronoun to use. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Demiurge1000 I think Magnus Mansouri is referring to the two users working in tandem on the article. (This is evident from the history log of the sandbox.) Not so uncommon and within the lines of the Wikipedia. I would also say "we" if some user was helping me getting "my" article in shape. Best, - W.carter (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for your help. Indeed we are working together on this project. We were setting it up as being part of a medical master thesis from Ursuala (s. History log). I am supervising and correcting it (online and offline) together with my superior at our university laboratory.Magnus Mansouri (talk) 11:47, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

What to do with inappropriate comments on an article's talk page?
I would appreciate some guidance on what to do with a comment on a talk page that is inappropriate. It is the only comment on the page. Would it be advisable to archive it? And if so, how would we go about it? Thanks.Historian (talk) 11:09, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the TeaHouse. If the comment is purely disruptive and has no relevance whatsoever to improving the encyclopedia, I would just blank it (even if it's the only thing on the page), with an appropriate polite edit summary. If someone else then insists on restoring it, or further discussing your reasons for blanking it, then you would need to discuss that with them. (And of course you should not edit war with them over it.)


 * Sometimes people consider comments inappropriate because they contain profanity or because they advance an unwelcome point of view; but if the comment has any relevance at all to improving the encyclopedia or part of it or how it works, such problems are not sufficient justification for removal. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree with the suggestion above, but will also add that if the inappropriate comment includes personal information that should not have been posted to Wikipedia, you may request to have it suppressed. Not sure if this is the issue here, but mentioning it just in case. Keihatsu   talk 22:24, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I assume you're referring to Absalom Jones - the talk page message would indeed be fine to remove as vandalism. Sam Walton (talk) 22:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Hi, I have removed the aforementioned comments from Talk:Absalom Jones per WP:Vandalism and WP:GRATUITOUS. Please revert if it was inappropriate for me to do so. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You were 100% correct,, and all editors should immediately delete such garbage on sight.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:51, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

@Demiurge1000 Keihatsu  Sam Walton Marchjuly  Cullen 328 Thanks so much for your generous responses. That's exactly what I was concerned about. Your responses have left a good impression on me about what this teahouse is all about. Historian (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Mention other users
Hey teahouse, I'm having some trouble trying to link another username. What I mean is, When I make my signature, it will show up as my username being linked to my userpage, like this, Schoolskater (talk). But I want to know how to link another user's username so that when I write something and include their username, it will give them a notification saying that they've been mentioned. Do you know what I mean? Thanks, Schoolskater (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep. What you need is the "u" template. For example, I made sure you,, got a notification about this message by using the code  to write your name. --LukeSurlt c 14:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome back, Schoolskater.  noted that the u template is one way you can notify an editor by way of mentioning them.  There are a few others:
 * results in
 * results in I JethroBT
 * All of the above will send a notification to the editor that they've been mentioned on that page. Also, you can specifically not ping an linked editor using the noping template. Take care,  I, JethroBT  drop me a line 14:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and . I really appreciate all that you do for Wikipedia!Schoolskater (talk) 14:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Status Bar
Hey teahouse, I wanted to know how you put those pictures and status bar at the top of your user and talk page. Thanks, Schoolskater (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello again, Schoolskater. Can you add a link to a user or talk page that has the kind of pictures and status bar that you want?  If you click on the edit tab of a user page (but don't actually edit or save it), you can see how the user added items to his or her page. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 16:57, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

How do I add a Category for my article? Which category should I choose?
I wrote an article on 06/15/2014 for the first time. It is now online with a message: "This article has not been added to any categories...." I'm sorry, it was all I could do to write the main info for the article. (I was in a car accident a few years ago; someone hit me.) I would appreciate if an editor could contact me or just make the necessary changes. The article is about "Gisa Adler," a former pupil of Emil von Sauer in Vienna. Adler now appears among the list of von Sauer's pupils. Thank you. Kay HettichKhettich (talk) 17:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. I have started with Category:Austrian classical pianists, and have included a DEFAULTSORT; further categories can be added later.  One thing which you ought to do without further delay is to include references to published reliable sources to support what you have included in the article. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

An edit I made several times does not appear
This question regards the title of an article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriyananda. When I noticed that someone had removed "Swami" preceding "Kriyanada" in both the title of the article and the start of the 1st paragraph, I put it back. The fix appears in the 1st paragraph but not the title. I've tried several times without success. Is it possible that whoever removed "Swami" from the title was able to ensure that it could not be put back?

It was very mean-spirited of whoever made these changes, for Swami Kriyananda was indeed a swami most of his 6-plus decades of discipleship. He officially left his vows for several years in the 1980s. But realizing that renunciation was his path, he took them up again for the rest of his life, till his passing in 2013. PKChatsworth (talk) 06:30, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, PKChatsworth. There was a note left on your talk page that explains why swami is not used on the article. I will copy paste it for you here. "Wikipedia does not normally use honorific, job, or academic titles such as Mr., Dr., Swami, President, Count, and such. Rare exceptions exist, but none of them is applicable in this case. LeadSongDog come howl! 06:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)" The person that reverted you was not doing it so to be mean spirited. It just confirms with Wikipedia policies. Please readwp:honorific and wp:NCIN to understand this. NathanWubs (talk) 06:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Expanding on NathanWubs's answer: You can always view the editing history of an article by clicking on the "View history" tab at the top of the page. Here is the editing history of Kriyananda. Looks like User:LeadSongDog reverted your edits, citing his reasoning each time.
 * In addition to the policies and discussions mentioned above by Nathan, there was also a discussion about whether or not to include "Swami" with Kryanada's name here. The discussion lead to a consensus that it shouldn't be included, per the policies and guidelines pointed out by Nathan. Hope this helps, ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 06:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Just a clarification: PKChatsworth, you would not have been able to change the title of the article. This requires a move, and you have too few edits to make such a change. But obviously if the change is not permitted in the article text under Wikipedia's rules, a move definitely would not happen.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:59, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

This page is a new unreviewed article.
I have edited a page with an tag. Can I remove this marker?

The page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Georges_Perrin.

Thanks!

JamesMcPeterson (talk) 20:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello JamesMcPeterson, and welcome to the Teahouse! If the article has already been reviewed by another editor (and it looks like it has), then yes, you can remove it. Happy editing :) ~ Anastasia (talk) 21:07, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, JamesMcPeterson, and welcome. As the tag says itself: "This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by someone other than its creator". The documentation of the template (Template:New unreviewed article/doc) explains: "The template should be removed manually by any editor except the person who created the page as soon as the editor has looked over the new article and determined that the new article does not qualify for speedy deletion." So, if you are sure that the page is not a candidate for wp:speedy deletion, you are welcome to remove that tag from the page. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks!

JamesMcPeterson (talk) 21:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Stigmata (song) draft
somebody please review my draft for stigmata (song)Camcamhamham (talk) 22:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Camcamhamham, welcome to the Teahouse. I have submitted Draft:Stigmata (song) for you through the articles for creation process. It has been placed in a queue and will be reviewed by another editor as soon as possible. Best, Mz7 (talk) 22:55, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Deprecated infobox templates
Is there a list of deprecated infobox templates and respective preferred replacements? Mandruss (talk) 08:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Could you please clarify what you mean by, "Deprecated"? Thanks,Schoolskater (talk) 13:57, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm unaware of any "deprecated" infobox templates, but if you could tell me exactly what you want an infobox to do or what your goal was, I'd be happy to help you find the infobox you need or point you in the right direction. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * To the best of my knowledge, deprecated infoboxes (like any other deprecated template) are usually deleted (either via WP:T2 or WP:TFD). The TFD archive is therefore probably the only listing that we have for them. Yunshui 雲 水 14:33, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Allow me to clarify my question. I had read discussions about "merging" certain infobox templates. I took that to mean that the function of one template would be assumed by another, thereby deprecating the first one. In particular, I needed to know whether infobox mass murderer was deprecated. Did I misunderstand the discussions? Mandruss (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's add some links to see... ... — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Clicking on Template:Infobox mass murderer takes me to Template:Infobox criminal and says (Redirected from Template:Infobox mass murderer) which means they were merged. I'm still unclear on why it is important. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 00:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Important to me, or to Wikipedia? From Wikipedia's perspective, I think the idea is to minimize the number of infobox templates, thereby reducing maintenance effort and making things less complicated for editors who need to choose an appropriate template. In this case, it looks as if infobox mass murderer is, in fact, deprecated. Mandruss (talk) 00:20, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Both, if you're planning on going and cleaning out the "What Links Here", it's probably not a good idea since that would be considered a "cosmetic" change on most pages unless you actually sit there and fix a bunch of other stuff while you are at it. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 01:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not planning on doing that, although I don't know why they don't just change all of those with a bot and be done with it. That's the missing piece of the puzzle, since many editors will continue to use infobox mass murderer for new infoboxes if they see it used in existing articles. Mandruss (talk) 01:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

how to order your comments properly?
I just updated my user talk page to thank some people who had given me tips, but I was unsure whether the ettiquette was to place the most recent comment on the BOTTOM, or the TOP. When editing talk pages, how do you decide where in the page to put a new comment?

NerdGirl1988 (talk) 01:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Almost all talk pages on Wikipedia are organized in chronological order, with the oldest thread at top, and new threads starting at the bottom. The Teahouse is an exception to the general rule, since we are trying to be friendly to beginners. Here at the Teahouse, a new question goes at the top of the page, so it is immediately visible to both guests and hosts.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  02:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Over-writing logo images with new versions
I want to update the logo images for KECI/KCFW/KTVM on the KECI-TV Wikipedia page. The ones currently showing are outdated. I was previously banned for editing that page due to a conflict of interest, so I need to avoid that and seek a third party to upload those images. They are just the new versions of the logos for each of those stations. If the images currently displayed are able to be over-written, the new ones would fall under the same fair-use rationale currently posted. I just need to figure out the best way to get a third party to do that, so I can avoid the conflict of interest. Thank you. Ec1954 (talk) 02:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. If you plan to upload images with identical filenames then you do not need to edit the page itself so AFAICT there will be no COI. Assuming that the licensing details are suitable, use the "upload file" option in the left hand menu bar. Whether the images are local or on Wikipedia Commons, there is a button towards the bottom of the image file page saying "Upload a new version of this file". Once you have done that, the image will be automatically updated and you won't need to edit the article. If the file names are different you can ask on the article's talk page for someone to help you. Good luck!  Philg88 ♦talk 02:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Soundcloud as a source?
Can soundcloud be a source for a song?Camcamhamham (talk) 23:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Soundcloud says it is "An audio platform that enables sound creators to upload, record, promote and share their originally-created sounds". Because it is user generated I do not think it will prove to be a reliable source. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * what if the soundcloud audio was posted by the label of the artist? (yes the actual label... not a fake.)Camcamhamham (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi again and welcome back to the Teahouse. Soundcloud is a crowd-sourced website (i.e. anyone can upload a song), so it is not considered a reliable source. The answer to your second question is that this is a repository, not a source of editorial comment, so who uploaded the song won't help establish notability for the song. Cheers,  Philg88 ♦talk 03:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Article does not appear in search drop down.
When I search for the topic of an article that I recently had published, it does not come up on the immediate drop down. It does appear if I select to search articles that contain the search term. How can I improve my article "Bob Davis (Businessman)" to gain better search results within Wikipedia? Reetersivad (talk) 18:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Reetersivad! Since your article is new, it will take some time for it to show up in the drop-down search. The more people that click on it, the higher up it goes. The best thing to get people to click on an article is to link to it on other articles. I see that Bob is or was CEO of multiple companies, so mentioning him and then putting this for his name: Bob Davis will generate a link and more people will see the article. Happy editing! ö   Brambleberry   of   RiverClan  19:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, the article appears for me in the search dropdown after typing "bob davis (b", so I suspect some form of caching issue if isn't showing for you. If you expect him to appear in the list of 10 for simply "bob davis", well, there are a lot of Bob Davis's, and he may not be as interesting/searched for and thus not appear as prominently. Chris857 (talk) 19:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you @Brambleberry very helpful. I see that both the Lycos article and Highland Capital Partners article have links to the Bob Davis (businessman) article. Do those take a few days to be recognized?

Reetersivad (talk) 19:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I've removed the orphan tag from the page. Cheers, Philg88 ♦talk 03:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

My contribution is rejected
Hi. I am first time user and just uploaded my company profile. It has got rejected due to various reasons which I am unaware about. Can you help me make necessary changes to my contribution so that it is acceptable. Joseph M ImpetusTechknows (talk) 04:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I am sorry to give you bad news, but pretty much everything about your participation here on Wikipedia so far has been wrong. I encourage you to read in great depth about the basic principles of Wikipedia, starting with the Five Pillars, and reading all the links as well. To start with, your user name violates our username policy as it is the name of a business. Your user page, until you removed most of its contents, consisted of promotional marketing and advertising for your company, masquerading as an encyclopedia article. This is unacceptable on Wikipedia. Please read our Conflict of interest guideline, and do your best to comply with it.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:38, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi ImpetusTechknows - looking at the original contents of your userpage, there are two major problems:
 * The page was promotional, and Wikipedia is not a means to promote. Wikipedia's goal is to provide neutral encyclopedic entries on its subjects. Companies don't get their own "profiles" per say, but rather, articles about them.
 * The contents were also directly copied from Impetus TechKnow's official website. According to the website, the contents are fully copyrighted, which means that we cannot use it here on Wikipedia, whose contents are freely licensed. This constitutes a copyright violation.
 * If you simply wish to host a company profile on your userpage, that wouldn't be appropriate. Editors should represent themselves, not their companies, and using a userpage to promote or provide a profile for a company isn't appropriate. However, if you're interested in writing a neutral, encyclopedic article on your company, you can do so through the articles for creation process, which will let you create a draft of the article and then submit it for other editors to review before going live. Since you have a conflict of interest with the company you represent, creating the article directly would not be appropriate (which is why I am recommending the articles for creation process). Before creating the article, though, I recommend you take a look at our notability guidelines for companies and seeing if your company meets the criteria. Article subjects need to be notable for inclusion on Wikipedia, which is proven through significant coverage through reliable sources. I also recommend taking a look at Your first article for more useful info.
 * Another quick issue is your username; usernames cannot represent a company. I will leave a message on your talk page with more info, including the process to request a new username. I highly recommend you take care of changing your username as soon as possible, before anything else. Thanks for reaching out, and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 05:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I added links to my article, but they do not show up in a blue font. What to do?
I have several links in the article I wrote yesterday, 06/15/14, however, they do not show up as links in blue color. They only appear when the mouse hovers over them. How do I fix this? Please help. Thank you. Kay HettichKhettich (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello! As far as I know it's not a problem with Wikipedia, nor the way you wrote the article, but it may be a problem with your browser/OS? What browser and operating system are you using? -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 19:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . When I look at Gisa Adler, the links show as blue and work just fine for me. But there is a much more serious problem with the article you have written. You have not provided references to WP:SIGCOV significant coverage in reliable sources that show that this person is notable as a musician. Unless you can produce evidence of such coverage, it is likely, I regret to say, that the article will be deleted.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:07, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you click on a link it may change colour. It should go back to blue if you clear your browser history. Jodosma (talk) 07:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

How to see the saved draft in wiki ?
I have written page about me in wikipedia.but i didnt submit it but i saved it.How to see that file now ? (Ragahvendhra Reddy 03:39, 17 June 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghavendhra (talk • contribs)
 * Hi, Raghavendhra. Welcome to the Teahouse. I think the page you are looking for is the page that you wrote in your sandbox at User:Raghavendhra/sandbox. Is this correct? Kind regards, Matt (talk) 03:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Before you do any more work on that page, please read WP:autobiography, to understand why writing about yourself on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged. --ColinFine (talk) 08:06, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Rejected
I submitted a page called "Conger Street Clock Museum" and it was rejected but I don't know why. I don't want to just start deleting without knowing what I should delete. I sure could use some help. I am 70 years old so I'm not as quick as some of you younger guys.

Thanks for any help you can provide

JD Olson curator: Conger Street Clock Museum Congerstreet (talk) 14:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi JD, welcome to Wikpedia. The reason given is that it "appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia"


 * Many people think our use of the word "advertisement" means it says "please buy this:. The term has broader usage, and more generally means prose written in a PR tone.


 * Phrases such as "the next time you plan a visit to Oregon, please take a little time, to take a walk back in time,..." are good copy for a brochure promoting the palce, but are not encyclopedia in tone.


 * I'll follow up shortly with an example which may help.he next time you plan a visit to Oregon, please take a little time, to take a walk back in time,-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This American Clock & Watch Museum is an example of an article about a clock museum. In fact, it is borderline, and many editors would challenge some of the content of this article. However, if you look at the tone, you will see that your draft is much more casual, more of a conversation, while the American Clock article is more formal.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:39, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Two other examples:
 * Willard House and Clock Museum
 * National Watch and Clock Museum
 * Neither of which qualify as meeting best practices, but I picked these two, because of the subject matter. For better examples of well-written article, check out any of the Good Articles. On this list Good articles/Art and architecture, scroll to the bottom to see the Good Articles covering museums. You do not have to meet the standards of a Good Article to get the Conger Street article accepted, but looking at Good Articles is a good way of seeing the style and tone of well-written articles. Good luck.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I have drafted an articule in my sand box, I am unsure how to proceed
Hi, I have drafted an article about X Band Satellite Communication. I have drafted it in my sand box. I think that I have accidently created two versions of it, one at the root level (User:1Oddsocks/sandbox) and another one level down (User:1Oddsocks/sandbox/X Band Satellite Communication). I would like to get it reviewed and then moved to the live area. can someone help with how to do this?

Thanks

1Oddsocks (talk) 19:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I added a Reflist template to the version you edited most recently, to enable the references to be displayed. That shows several problems with your references, including missing titles. So please read Referencing for beginners, and clean up the references to eliminate those red error messages.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  20:26, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I found an image error, not sure how to fix
I see an icon image error here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Companies/Related_portals

However I don't know if there are standard images to reference, or if I can help by making a new icon. Any advice would be great.

Thanks! Cupcakeboss (talk) 21:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I've replaced that non-existent file with "United States penny, obverse, 2002.png", which is what other portals use when linking to Portal:Numismatics. -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 21:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Great to know, thank you ! --Cupcakeboss (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Categorization problems :)
Hi, I was just wondering how I can remove the category Banks established in 2002 from being a subcategory of Companies established in 2002. I am attempting to better organize the category Companies by year of establishment, and am moving Category:Banks established in 2002 to be a subcategory of Category:Financial services companies established in 2002 (which, in turn, is a subcategory of Companies by year of establishment. For some reason, I cannot figure out how to do this, because I cannot see the source of the category. :$ Help! ~ Anastasia (talk) 20:22, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello ! I believe the template Companies established in the year automatically add that category on the categories that it is transcluded on. You should probably edit the template or request it be edited . You should probably create a template specifically for bank categories. -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 21:35, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * What of Template:Banks established in year cat? ~ Anastasia (talk) 23:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess you could replace  in Template:Banks established in year cat with whatever category would be more fitting. -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 23:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. OK, thanks so much! ~ Anastasia (talk) 00:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Let me know if you need any more help. :) -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 00:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Why was my project rejected?
I published an unfinished document about me and friends' YouTube videos (The Adventures of Ice J and King Weirdo) and of course, instant rejection. My friend created a page about making music on a free online site and I don't understand how it signifies importance anymore than what I wrote, yet it wasn't taken down. The videos mean a lot to me and I checked it over and over to make sure my attitude was neutral and I was speaking in third-person. Therefore, I'm understandably cross and as a first article, I'm currently finding Wikipedia too strict and lying about letting ANYONE publish articles. Saying my videos don't have importance has upset me - you NEED to think about how you word these things ("an article about yourself is nothing to be proud of" - Wikipedia. So I'm not allowed to be proud of myself?). So can you please tell me what I need to do to allow people to find out information about my videos? I wasn't advertising in any way shape or form. YouTube partners have Wikipedia articles. Are you trying to say they're more important than me? If what I'm writing about isn't important, because they aren't well-known, that's like having the same thing for dinner every night, since you're just taking in information from well-known stuff you already know about. (If you don't reply or delete this message you would have officially proven my point.) Please can you tell me what I need to do? Isaac Lawrence (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, the article is indeed deleted because it does not seem notable enough - or rather, it does not make a significant claim of notability. I can completely understand that you feel frustrated - it happened to me before. I understand that this project may be very important to you, but please note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a blog or place to advertise your channel. As an encyclopedia, we have to have strict notability criteria and see things in a worldwide scale - think, should a random Youtube channel be suitable to be put on history books? Obviously not. Nowhere in the message was it stated that you are not allowed to be proud of your project, in fact you should be. As people, we are proud of many things personal, but most of those things are too insignificant to be placed on an encyclopedia. Also, addressing the fact of why your page was instantly taken down, it has simply no claim of notability whatsoever. If it had some claim of notability, perhaps a few tens of thousands or subscriber, it would be considered somewhat notable (even though not notable for Wikipedia yet), and not be instantly deleted. Please note that Wikipedia is not about everything. Please do not demean us by calling us "lying", we are simply following our notability guidelines. Lastly, we can't serve every possible dish, well-known or not to everyone, we don't have enough chefs, and our goal is not to be a showcase of every single type of food possible, just a showcase of the notable ones. I highlight the word encyclopedia once again. Please see Wikipedia is not about your garage band, while you are indeed not a garage band, the explanation on the page still holds up. Thanks. Darylgolden ( talk ) 00:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Image file size reduction for userbox use
Hello again, Teahouse! I have created a userbox using a wonderful picture - File:Male mackerel tabby cat.jpg - that has unfortunately much too large (2.6 MB) a file size to load well. I have been trying to find a way to insert one of the smaller 'preview' sizes, but have been unable to figure how to specify the file name. Can the previews be used, or do I need to download the file, reduce its size, and re-upload at the new size? The problem I haven't gotten past is that the URL for the original file starts out (//commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...) and the preview sizes start with (//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/...) I've tried all manner of combinations of ../, ./, etc., which may not work in any case for this application. Thanks for any help! Best,  O ld B eeg  <b style="color:#ff8564;">··<i style="color:#e61206;">warble</i>··</b> 23:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome back to the teahouse! When I look at User:Oldbeeg/userboxes/Cat owns it looks absolutely fine to me; the image and userbox are a sensible size (pixel width and height) on my screen, and my web browser claims that the image only involves downloading slightly more than one kilobyte of image data to my computer. Where are you seeing the problem?


 * In general, no you should not need to re-upload the file at a different size. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 01:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, Arthur goes shopping, thanks for the answer. I noticed that the picture took a bit to load when I first loaded the userbox. I was afraid that the 2.6MB of the file would, when added to other similarly sized files, would make for long page loading times – at least initially. I thought it was more important to save the first download time. It seems after that, though, the smaller file is available. Best,  O ld B eeg  <b style="color:#ff8564;">··<i style="color:#e61206;">warble</i>··</b> 02:31, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

problem in finding
my question where will I get the correct definition of bad microorganismsSasuke ucchiha (talk) 05:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * What specific sort of microorganisms are you looking to get information on? I would start here, as for more specific information, let me know what you are looking for :-)  ♥ Solarra ♥  ♪ 話 ♪  ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀ 05:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The Teahouse is a place to ask and answer questions about editing Wikipedia. Please try WP:REFERENCEDESK for more general questions, as they are set up to answer them.  Cullen <sup style="color:purple;">328  Let's discuss it  05:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)