Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 272

Major Edits to Existing Article
Hi all. I just did some pretty massive edits on the Corporate farming page and wanted to get some opinions on it. If you do check it out, I preemptively apologize for my mess on the history page. I'm still figuring out the whole editing thing and jumped the gun a few times on the save button...

Thanks! Creigpat (talk) 04:05, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Creigpat! If you are looking for input from farming experts, you may wish to also post a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Agriculture. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:48, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Greetings, for Corporate farming article if you can click on View history to see changes I did to help. I added a 'See also' section and the Agriculture footer. My background is dairy farming so I'm not able to add to content. IMO Wikipedia is a great for learning new things...good luck!
 * Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:32, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

adding text with footnotes to existing articles
I plan to add several paragraphs with footnotes to an existing article. Will the new material integrate itself automatically, or do I need to take steps to add references and notes? Thank you.TBR-qed (talk) 21:13, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Study the wikicode of the existing page, and emulate how previous editors have formatted their references. If you do so carefully, then your new material and its references will be incorporated into the article when you hit "save". You may find Referencing for beginners to be useful.


 * The syntax, or how the references are formatted, is critical. A misplaced or missing punctuation character will foul everything up. So, be precise. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  22:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Handy hint! Use the preview button!  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:13, 7 November 2014 (UTC).


 * @TBR-qed:  To answer a slightly different interpretation of your question, if you add new citations between tags, the numbering and order in the references section of pre-existing inline citations will seamlessly change to match the new world order; you need change nothing in the references section if some manifestation of  or
 * Now, go to your signature settings, paste the code I gave you into the box, check the "Treat the above as wiki markup" checkbox, and click "Save". After that, you can come back over here and test it out. -- Biblio worm 21:37, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Checklist while uploading an image ?
Hi TeaHouse Team,

I'm trying to upload few images to wiki, which has come in media/paintings/caricatures done by artists/protest clippings etc. Could you please help me find a checklist for the same. And if possible, how could I build a team for doing the same.

Almithra (talk) 15:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Im not a teahouse host, but would reccomend getting a few experienced Wikipedia members to help you with this, and by this i mean you can create a post in your user sandbox where they can help you with stuff and callaborate using the talkback feature. Shadowvault (talk) 15:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but unless they are very old, it is likely that the media, paintings, caricatures and clippings are all copyright, and may not be used in Wikipedia unless the copyright holder for each explicitly releases it under a free licence. See Help:Upload for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:04, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Article submission: Music artist/producer: Ranto Bokgo
Hi Wiki peeps, I have just submitted an article covering a biography of one of Zimbabwe's most enterprising acts Ranto Bokgo. which my hopes were it would be placed online as an official wikipedia article. I've just received mail from Mr. Varitas that the article requires 'cite' support? How would i add these to the article including a jpg or two??? Rantobokgo (talk) 21:05, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The biggest problem with your draft article is the lack of references to reliable sources. Every factual claim needs to be referenced. Please read Referencing for beginners and follow that advice. Please also remove the duplicate content. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  22:15, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * (ec) Hello, . The comments both at the top of Draft:Ranto Bokgo and on your talk page User talk:Rantobokgo explain what the problem is, and contain links (the blue words) to pages that explain what they mean. The point is that in a Wikipedia article, every single statement needs to be referenced to a reliable source, such as a major newspaper, or a book from a reputable publisher. The problem is that even if everything you write in the article is correct, Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anybody may edit; so tomorrow or next week or next year somebody may edit it - perhaps to improve or correct it, but perhaps they will be mistaken, or mischevous. If there is a reference, then a reader can check the information, but if there is no reference all the information is unreliable. Please see referencing for beginners for more information.
 * I'm afraid there are other problems as well. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which means that articles are required to be written in a neutral tone, and from a neutral point of view. Phrases like "inspired guitar style and poignant voice" simply do not belong in an encyclopaedia (unless they are quoting a reliable published source unconnected with the subject, such as a review in a major newspaper). If you are Ranto Bokgo, then it is likely to be very hard for you to write the article in a suitably neutral tone: that is why we strongly discourage autobiography on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

How to indicate that a Userspace article is "Draft"
I am confused about the use of the "userspace". I was thinking that I could work on some articles in there and later on submit them. But then I came across something about using the category "Userspace draft" Can someone please clarify for me on the appropriate approach to indicating something is a draft in my userspace? I noticed my current userspace article is accessible by google and did not really intend it to be indexed on google until the article was hopefully accepted later on after I feel I am ready to submit it for review and further edits needed are done.

also can someone please tell me how to thank the users who help me on Teahouse?PhilPsych (talk) 20:05, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi . Add the following text to the top of your userspace  draft:   This will mark the page with a templated message that will let users know that the page is a work in progress. It also automatically adds the NOINDEX magic word to prevent search engines from indexing the page. Best, Mz7 (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Howdy, Phil. The _NOINDEX_ won 't remove the indexing that has already been done.  You can make the existing links in search engines go to a blank page by moving your draft to a subpage of your sandbox and then blanking the redirect that is automatically created.


 * There are lots of ways to say thank you. I like to use the template Thank you that produces a .  Just stick it on their talk page or at the end of a conversation followed by your signature of four tildes.  If you click on the link to the template, there are lots more templates that might convince others that you know what you're doing around Wikipedia.  Take care and, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) Join WER 21:00, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * PhilPsych (talk) 21:10, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * On a related note, one of my drafts showed up in a Google search. I've never moved it to article space because it seems to fall short in several areas, despite my attempts to find information over the years, even though I'm sure the man would qualify as notable.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:41, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Searching for Sources
I am trying to find sources for an article using Google. I have used WestlawNext in the past, and it lets you search for documents with a search term appearing some minimum number of times (atleast). So if I searched atleast50("wikipedia"), it would only return documents in which the word wikipedia appears at last 50 times. Does anyone know if there's an equivalent for Google? thanks. Becky Sayles (talk) 21:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. In my opinion search engines are the best way to find sources. I use Google as my primary search engine (let's say source engine). But when I use search engines to find reference I always alter the terms instead of using the words used in Wikipedia articles. I do this to prevent search engine from returning Wikipedia articles as search results. But sadly I do not know other tools which can be used to find references, if there is some kind of tool for that then I'm pretty sure that it'd be search engine as well. Like I said before search engines are the best way find references on the Internet-- Chamith  (talk)  21:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Greetings . Here are two links with info about Google power searching: http://www.google.com/advanced_search and https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?p=adv_operators&hl=en&rd=1   --MadScientistX11 (talk) 21:59, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Becky. I pine for some of the same search functions that Lexis provides when I use Google but there is no equivalent I know of for many of them (especially useful would be equivalents for w/3 and pre/3). There are a number of tricks you can use though. See this Google guide to search operators and other guides from the list on the left hand side of that page. But I don't think there is any equivalent of the atleast function. Hmm, I'm wondering if you could cheat, by using the + operator. Let me check.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @Becky Sayles:  Okay, yes, it does appear you can use the + operator to achieve this result, albeit it's a bit painful. Just type your search term then a + before it as many time as you would have used for atleast. It actually only takes a few moments if you use copy and paste (type the words twice, copy that, paste a few times, copy them all, paste a few times), For example: coat alone returns about 40,000,000 results but coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat +coat returns only just over 20,000 results.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Becky Sayles! Google does not provide that function. Modern web search engines have moved from a search based on (key)words to a search based on more abstract entities, like concepts. As a result, they do not have functions related to the mere quantity of words in a document and, generally, web search engines do not use the repetition of a word as a signal of relevancy. If you really need to focus on the quantity of words, though, the only Google trick that I can think of would be to use a search query like "cat * cat * cat * cat", which would return documents that contain at least four instances of the word "cat". I hope that it helps. Cheers! ► LowLevel (talk)

Are there volunteers on Wikipedia who like to make animations to improve articles?
I'm looking for a custom animation (best) or an image (also good) to improve a particular spaceflight/science-related article. Is there anyplace on Wikipedia where people with such interests hang for discussion, or for considering such requests? (My analogy is the Guild of Copy Editors where a bunch of good writers and English-language folks gather to help copyedit articles by request. They are great; and I'd like to see if such might exist for skilled and interested image folk.)  Cheers, N2e (talk) 03:44, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey The Graphics Lab is the place for these types of things. Not sure about the availability of animators and whatnot, but that'd be the place to ask :) ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 04:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Ain't Wikipedia great?  Turn over a rock and you'll find a bunch of super people making this amazing emergent phenomenon even more wonderful! N2e (talk) 04:34, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * And so now I have done just that. Here is the request I put over at the Graphics Lab.  Enjoy.  N2e (talk) 05:00, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, N2e, maybe this software might help you or the artist who will accept your request. Cheers! ► LowLevel (talk) 06:22, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, LowLevel. Looks useful.  I've added that info to the article Talk page, and also to the request over at the Graphics Lab.  N2e (talk) 00:28, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Create page on Ibycus rachelae?
Dear ladies and gentlemen here on Wikipedia: I would like to create a Wikipedia article on the Ibycus rachelae, also know as the 'long-tailed slug'. I thoroughly searched for a similar page on Wikipedia, but could not find one. Please give advice,and/or comments as I am not very experienced with editing or making pages. Thank you for your time. D011235813d (talk) 23:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @D011235813d:  Hi D011235813d! That's a great topic, as all animal species warrant articles. What I suggest is first starting with taking a slow and thorough tour through the Tutorial. It will give you a grounding in many things that will help you become more familiar with basics (for example, not starting lines with leading spaces, which I've fixed above:-). Once you do that, I suggest you take a look at some similarly situated articles that you might emulate to some extent in writing this one. Since this appears to be the only species in the  Maoriconcha genus, you'll have to look at other types of similar gastropods. Maybe some of the articles in Category:Onchidiidae, Category:Panpulmonata, Category:Limacidae or Category:Stylommatophora might help? Meanwhile, you might try posting for some collaboration and/or help with this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gastropods. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Writing a new article about company
Hello, I am a new user to Wikipedia. Although I have added minor information in two/three articles but this time I want to create new article. The article is about Sony's subsidiary in Japan. The article about that company exists in Japanese version Wikipedia but I want to create the article in English. The problem is that company may not be well known outside Japan to people but I consider it important since it one of the core production houses of company should I write article on this?111.68.102.115 (talk) 05:53, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. First of all I suggest you create a new account. You may either register now or ask for your article to be created at Articles for Creation. It is much easier to manage everything if you create an account. I assume that the company meets Wikipedia's notability standards. As you are writing an article about a company please make sure to write it in a neutral point of view style. And also find sources to verify content you are going to add. Check out Starting an article to get an idea about how to write your first article.-- Chamith  (talk)  06:27, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, Internet user. Please consider setting up a Wikipedia account, which offers many benefits to editors. The fact that the "company may not be well known outside Japan" is irrelevant, assuming that the company is truly notable in Japan, as I am reasonably sure that it is. This is the English language encyclopedia of the entire world, not the encyclopedia of the English speaking world. Please read WP:TRANSLATION for information about how to translate Wikipedia articles from one language to another. You can use Japanese language sources as references, but if you can find any English language sources, they would be best, for accessibility reasons here. Good luck to you. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  06:31, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S.: I saw that your talk page is full of warnings about vandalism and disruptive edits. Probably because your IP address is shared with large number of people. If you didn't do those edits I strongly recommend you create an account before contributing to Wikipedia.-- Chamith  (talk)  06:53, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Who can I talk to directly to answer my questions about my difficulties with my articles
In particular David Clarke (author) Bierton Strict and Particular Baptists The Bierton Crisis Converted on LSD

ammoung others

Is this a none article post ??

David Clarke 22:59, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello 519Clarke,

Looking at your Talk page and contributions it appears that you are having difficulty creating articles successfully. Typically when you receive a message on your talk page, like the ones about the articles you've mentioned, it is appropriate to respond on the same page. You can use a template to notify the other user that you have responded, like this:, substituting "Username" with the Username you'd like to receive the notification. You may also message other users on their talk pages by clicking on the (talk) next to their username, and then creating a new section on the talk page. Some of these links may be helpful: Starting an article Notability (books) Credible claim of significance Notability (organizations and companies)  Notability (people) Becky Sayles (talk) 23:57, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello (David), if you're asking us "where can I just talk to someone about what's wrong with my draft?", then here is probably the best answer. I've seen a few of your drafts come through AFC, and from what I'm seeing the simplest sum-up is that you simply are not acknowledging the policy WP:Notability and are just trying to push through articles about yourself, your book, a dispute in a church group you're involved with, etc. Anything you want published on Wikipedia absolutely must meet the requirements of WP:Notability. If it does not, it cannot, full stop, be accepted. I strongly urge you to read WP:Notability in detail, as that's pretty much the exact reason why you've repeatedly had articles turned down, deleted, etc. Does this help explain it? If you do read Notability, and still aren't sure what the issue is, please come post here again, and let us know specifically what about Notability you don't understand, or how you think your drafts do indeed meet it. It'd help also to provide us some links to Declined drafts so we can see where you've run into tangles. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:23, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I am a slow reader and it takes time for me to take things in. I will look at the document you mentioned. Half the time I simply do not understand what is being written in the references. The language is technical and precise which makes learning difficult.

Some body mentioned they had seen a reference in the States about Bierton Strict Baptists, some thing I was unaware of. When I asked for that reference it was suggested I was being lazy that I should find the reference my self to make an article stick. I have loads of references but I am not sure if they are acceptable to Wikipedia and a simple one to one vocal could clear up many cloudy issues and thus avoid me making so many mistakes. David Clarke 15:52, 11 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 519Clarke (talk • contribs)