Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 323

How do i create a disambiguation page
Recently editing List of birds of the world I triee clicking Spatula and it resulted in a kitchen utensil how can i create a redirect to redirect it to Anas without a disambiguation page?Owlsofeurope (talk) 17:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I see what the problem is, which is that the word spatula refers both to a kitchen utensil and to a genus. Do you want to create a disambiguation page that directs to the utensil and the genus, or, without a disambiguation page, to put a hatnote at the top of the page for the utensil to link to Spatula (genus)?  Those are the two ways to do this.  Which approach depends on whether the utensil is the more common usage, or whether the utensil and the genus are considered approximately equal.  In my own opinion, the utensil is the primary usage.  In either case, a new page can be created for the genus.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:28, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I have created a stub on the genus of duck. It really needs expansion, but I don't consider myself qualified to do that.  There already was a disambiguation page.  I have changed the hatnote so that the kitchen utensil now directs to the disambiguation page (although the utensil is primary), and so that the disambiguation page now also includes the ducks.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Hi, I fixed the page Quraysh (disambiguation) but when i search "Quraysh" it directly goes to Quraysh. How can i fix this so that when i search "Quraysh" it goes to the disambiguation page and not to Quraysh. Thank You A.A.Wasif |  Talk   12:17, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. The tribe was agreed to be the primary topic, see Talk:Quraysh.  Any change would need further discussion there, with evidence that the situation had changed. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks I'm reverting it back to its original one. A.A.Wasif |  Talk   12:34, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * In this case, if there are only two articles, and one of them is primary, there is no need for a disambiguation page, only a hatnote to the other article. If there were multiple uses of the term, a disambiguation page would be useful.  If the two meanings were equally important, then the title could direct to disambiguation.  In this case, the disambiguation is not needed, and so goes to the primary.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Where can I find the March initiative for supporting women editors and subjects?
When I started editing wikipedia earlier this month, I received notification about an initiative for Women's History Month in support of encouraging women to edit wikipedia and to increase the coverage of women as subjects. I was interested in returning to it this week, but cannot find it. Any ideas? LLRungegordon (talk) 21:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Welcome to the Teahouse. You might be talking about the Art+Feminism worldwide editathon, which occured a couple weeks ago. You can read more about it (and its accomplishments) here. I'm sure there will be more upcoming women's initiative events - hopefully someone else might know more about that. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 21:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe it was about WikiWomen's History Month/2015/Events. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Referencing
Our webpage was flagged as not having proper referencing but most of the information comes form only one website. I put the reference at the bottom but I'm not sure what I need to do from here.Giatec (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft doesn't have any references. You need to read the useful links which have been provided to you, both on your user talk page and in the feedback on the draft.  Links include WP:referencing for beginners and WP:reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * And maybe WP:COI if "your" article is about your company.--ukexpat (talk) 00:16, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Re editing of Draft:Satwant Singh Dhaliwal
Thank you for directing me to teahouse.

I'd like to know if this is to be a complete re-write? Or if there are problems with specific parts of the entry?

jefferyseow (talk) 11:12, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey, and welcome to the teahouse. Your article is looking quite good (much better than most in the Draft area) but needs some simple Grammar and Tone fixes. i'll keep an eye on it and publish it when it's almost ready. In answer, no it doesn't need a full re-write. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 15:01, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Could you help point out the problem passages? Thank you. jefferyseow (talk) 10:31, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Is there anyone at all who can point me to the problem passages? Thank you. jefferyseow (talk) 03:16, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Rejection cites This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. I cannot see where the article has been written in the informal style and am still waiting for someone to point out the problem passage(s).

Rejection cites Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. I have cited published works, to wit, The Star (a national daily English-language newspaper), Asia Samachar (an independent news portal for Sikhs in Southeast Asia and the surrounding countries like Hong Kong, Australia and New Zealand), The Straits Times (a national daily English-language newspaper), published UNESCO meeting proceedings, publications of the Pacific Science Association and the Malaysian Historical Society and an awards list from the office of the Prime Minister of Malaysia. Blanks were filled in from his unpublished resume and bio in order to make the writing more cogent. I'd like to know which of these is deemed unreliable or non-independent.

Rejection cited Please make sure to avoid peacock terms, that are designed to promote or show-off the subject. I did not use any peacock terms. But I did cite things that notable people said about him in an article. Is citing what someone said in an article not allowed? If citing is allowed, then please someone point out where I have used peacock terms.

Thank you.

jefferyseow (talk) 04:01, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Still waiting for a response. Thank you. jefferyseow (talk) 05:42, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Warning
Hello. So I saw here that the editor before myself committed vandalism(!!!!). So I reverted both of their edits then "warned" them on their talk page. I just today learned how and the opportunity arose. So, did I do it right? -DangerousJXD (talk) 00:57, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me, except in the future I would advise against being that...dramatic with the edit summaries :). Howicus (Did I mess up?) 01:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Needs more exclamation marks. ;-) --Gronk Oz (talk) 04:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I've created unique pages as drafts with my sandbox - how do I delete those?
Specifically this page: User:Librariabryan/sandbox/heroes meetup

I used that page as a draft and it can go away. I'm learning it might be best to draft off site, and paste into wikipedia when I think an article is good to go.

Librarian Bryan (talk) 17:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. You can tag it for speedy deletion by adding Db-u1 or Db-userreq at the top of the page.  I have taken the liberty of changing the url to a wikilink in your question. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know why you say that it may be best to draft off site. Drafting in user space is convenient, and now you have been told how to delete the drafts when you are finished with them.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree with above that it is much easier to draft in userspace or Draft space for, and then you can check the code and formatting EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Learning the speedy deletion tag is super helpful. Librarian Bryan (talk) 18:58, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Adding to the comments by others,, I recommend that you do the majority of your drafting on your own Wikipedia user pages. I am an old guy, and I sometimes make rough notes and lists of page numbers of my references using physical paper and pen. But when the actual writing of encyclopedic prose begins, I do it in a newly created user page. Think of it this way: A good Wikipedia article is much more than prose. It also includes a lead, section headings, a table of contents, properly formatted references, images, internal wikilinks, external links and categorization. By far the best way to create such an article properly is right here on a Wikipedia userpage or draft page. Every time you save your draft, you will see it exactly as it would appear as a finished encyclopedia article. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:30, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Newbie question about first sandbox effort
This is my first effort creating something in my sandbox, and I know I'm doing lots of stuff wrong and I could probably find out what needs to be changed by reading all the FAQs and tutorials, but I was hoping I could get help from some veteran editors and users so it won't take me so long to figure out.

I am creating an article of a politician, and the legislative body shows up in red in the infobox. I am hoping this will link to the draft page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Andreas_Borgeas

The government body is listed in Wikipedia but does not have an independent wikipedia page. I attempted to create one from an associated page for the Fresno County page in Wikipedia where the Board of Supervisors is mentioned, but my first attempt was rejected due to format (though I used the same format as was used in the wikipedia article), and lack of attribution.

Another question I have regards proper linking to published articles.

Anyhow, I would appreciate any help you can provide before I try to move this over to the article pages -- and I'll need help doing that as I can't figure that out either.

Thanks.

-Mike

EDIT: Thanks, Flat Out, for the changes! By looking at those edits, I was able to figure out what to do with the rest after looking at how you made the edits. It would have taken me so much longer trying to figure it out myself.

Any tips on how to get the red out of "Fresno County Board of Supervisors" in the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mchenfresno (talk • contribs) 04:58, 25 March 2015 (UTC) Mchenfresno (talk) 04:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, Mike and welcome to the teahouse. Several things. The wikilink to the county commission is red because there is no article on it. IMHO, it won't ever have one because generally county commissions are not notable. It follows then that neither are county commissioners (unless of course, they meet meet WP:GNG). There is a better chance of showing this fella notable due to his professorship, but I'll let someone else explain that. At this point, you only have one reference that can be used to show notability and that's the newspaper. You cannot reference anything to Facebook. And unless you are the professional photographer that shot the photo back in 2006, the photo is a copyright violation. Only images appearing on US federal government websites are public domain. John from Idegon (talk) 05:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I disagree at least in part with on this matter. I believe that county boards of supervisors are notable, at least in California. Please see Alameda County Board of Supervisors, Contra Costa County Board of Supervisors, Marin County Board of Supervisors and San Francisco Board of Supervisors for examples, though San Francisco is a special case as a combined city-county government. Many county supervisors in California are highly notable and have Wikipedia biographies, and you can see such links in the Alameda County article. However, I do believe that you need better independent, reliable sources on Borgeas. Search the Fresno Bee archives, and so on. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  05:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, John. Their are about a dozen County Boards of Supervisors listed in Wikipedia, e.g., for California: San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Sacramento, etc., with their members also listed, so I thought Fresno County Board of Supervisors should also qualify.

I will remove the Facebook link. Mchenfresno (talk) 05:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I meant, "There are ..."  It's late ....

Mchenfresno (talk) 05:15, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Worthy of note is that Wikipedia currently has over 60 biographies of members of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, many of whom served decades ago. Fresno County's population is comparable to San Francisco's, and is actually a bit larger. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

==Another user refuses to allow edits to page he created, so I was required to create redundant page. I also cannot tell what changes were made by an admin patrolling the page because it does not appear to have been changed.== 23:58, 23 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwaysremember (talk • contribs)
 * Original article Dallas mayoral election, 2015
 * Fork 2015 Dallas City Council elections
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I'm sorry, but creating a POV fork is not acceptable. As nearly as I can see the other editor's objection was that your addition created an editorial. —teb728 t c 00:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the article 2015 Dallas City Council elections is far from neutral and encyclopedic. I recommend discussing adding the city council races at Talk:Dallas mayoral election, 2015. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  01:04, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Greetings Teahouse visitors and hosts. These two articles are about two different topics.  One concerns the mayoral race and the other (nominated for speedy deletion) is about the City Council Elections.  I don't see this as a fork even though there was drama going on in the editing of the first.  Also,  has no notice on his/her talk that his/her newly created article is being discussed for deletion.  I recommend that  consider going back to tone down the editorializing and generate additional references before deletion proceeds but I'm having trouble finding the discussion that is supposed to be occurring regarding the deletion.
 *  Bfpage &#124;leave a message 01:29, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It is a single election in Dallas and both the mayor's race and the various city council races can be covered in a single article, which can be moved to something like 2015 Dallas municipal election. Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  01:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The edit history shows that was asked to create a separate article for the council elections by one of the editors.
 * <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkgray 0px 3px 3px;"> Bfpage &#124;leave a message 01:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That may be true, but in my opinion, that advice was in error. Worth noting is that Dallas has a Weak mayor system, and in effect, the mayor is just another member of a city council with 15 members, with a fancy, ceremonial title. It is completely appropriate for the entire election for all 15 seats to be dealt with in a single article. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  01:54, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * (ec) I agree with Cullen, beside that it is a fork if only because it copies the mayoral text from the original article, creating a copyvio. (Without that I might have tagged it G11.) Look again for the deletion notice that Twinkle left on Alwaysremember's talk page. —teb728 t c 01:58, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Having one article covering the entire election may be appropriate, but it is not necessary. If two editors can now get along by having an article about the mayor and then having an article about the city council and peace and harmony and two happier editors are now working on creating relevant content, then something good has happened.  I didn't know those facts about how the city council operates in Dallas.  That would be some good content to include in at least one of these articles!
 * <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkgray 0px 3px 3px;"> Bfpage &#124;leave a message 02:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Followup: 2015 Dallas City Council elections has been redirected to Dallas mayoral election, 2015 and its new content copied. This raises an issue of the title of the merged article. I think there would be a consensus to move to an inclusive title, but at least one editor would probably still object. Should a move be proposed on the talk page or at Requested moves? —teb728 t c 09:31, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I boldly moved the merged article to 2015 Dallas municipal election. If anyone objects, they are welcome to put forward a policy based explanation for their concern. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  05:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Signature
I don't want to change my signature but I have one query. I found that the textbox in preferences where we modify our signature has a limit. So what if the (i gusee .css) code is longer? or should one create a new page of (...)/User:Username/Signature: type the code there and then in the preference page type ? aGastya    &#9993; let’s talk about it   :) 10:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The length limits (both in display and markup form) are deliberate, for reasons outlined at Signatures. --LukeSurlt c 10:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, the signature guideline specifically forbids the use of templates in signatures. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 13:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! aGastya   &#9993; let's talk about it  :)

Unusual edit history
I have been watching another editor's (A) talk page. Recently, at least one edit was made by another editor (B). When I look at the diff page, Editor B is attributed at the very top of the page, but the attribution following the edit is Editor A. I find this very unusual. Who should I direct my concern to? Thanks in advance for your help.__DrChrissy (talk) 13:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey and welcome. If possible could you just provide a link the the page or the user's name? While I don't see anything wrong here with what you've told me, I may be missing something. There is no problem with user's editing their own talk page, and usually every other edit is actually by the talk page owner so editor A being second in the editor history doesn't seem to be an issue. Also may I also remind you not to remove or re-factor other user's talk page comments or placement. Thanks! EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 13:49, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Difficult to tell without seeing the case in point. Some editors use different words in their signature compared with their user name.  Other users have changed their user name.  In other cases edits may have been left unsigned, thus possibly giving the impression that the edit was made by the editor who makes the subsequent (signed) edit.  If you give us a diff to the example, we can look at it. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * he is asking about this dif. after i reverted i  warned the user which led to  the user getting blocked  You all can explain that to drchrissy; there is nothing bizarre there but he is inexperienced and is very suspicious of me at this time, as we are tangling elsewhere.  Jytdog (talk) 14:07, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, this is the diff [|here] I am concerned about. (I did not post it before as I did not wish to draw attention to particular editors).__DrChrissy (talk) 14:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Perfectly clear in the history. Jytdog was reverting  and, both of which were vandalism by IP 99.235.168.199 who has now been blocked for disruptive editing.  If you want help in how to read a page's history, try Help:Page history. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I ~think~ what is confusing drchrissy is that i didn't leave a note on the Talk page when I reverted the 2nd instance of vandalism (Alexbrn reverted the first one himself), so drchrissy couldn't see what had been done on the Talk page itself. generally when dealing with vandals we don't waste time writing about it on the talk page, but drchrissy will need to hear that from someone else. Jytdog (talk) 14:45, 25 March 2015 (UTC) (wierd, this comment and the one below have the same time stamp. i will tag mine ec to clarify Jytdog (talk) 14:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC))


 * Thanks for your help here.__DrChrissy (talk) 14:45, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

warning Templetes
Where is it that I can find warning templetes to put on articles/user talk pages signed, MrWonka Lets talk! 15:43, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. You will find some at Template messages/User talk namespace, also at Template messages/User talk namespace/Multi-level templates. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

how can you display the "source code" (Wiki formatting from the edit page) in the actual article?
For example, in a Talk page, I want to display to the reader the proper way to format a citation. I want the reader to see the text that generated the citation, for example:

RobSVA (talk) 15:16, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

to make it clear, I don't want the reader to see [1], I want them to see < ref name = "bryanmarquand" > {{cite web| url= htt p://tech.mit.edu/V128/N36/sollee.html etc. RobSVA (talk) 15:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * title=E
 * Hello. If you use   tags markup will not be processed and everything will appear as it's coded. If you use the code template as well you can get some nice formatting to go with it: {{code| <ref name= "bryanmarquand" >{{cite web|url=http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N36/sollee.html|title=E}} }} --LukeSurl{{sup| t c}} 15:31, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks! I had struggled with that for quite awhile. I think that i gave you proper credit at Talk:Eric_Sollee (the talk page for Eric_Sollee. Note: I'm still working on figuring out all of the Template:Code options. RobSVA (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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Old media contributions
A very long time ago, I added a number of my own photographs to Wikipedia. I have decided that I would like to remove these. Where should I list them for deletion? Thanks Elinor.Dashwood (talk) 15:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that's problematic. When you uploaded them, you did so with a license acceptable to Wikipedia (or more likely to Commons). Those licenses are irrevocable and you cannot now retract them. Now, if your images are not used on any articles it may be possible to request deletion, but not sure how successful you would be.--ukexpat (talk) 16:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Please make an article about Lord tweedmouth
Lord Tweedmouth lived in Scotland. He was the first person to breed a Golden Retriver in the 1800s.He used an English water spaniel and a Wavy coated retriver to get a Golden Retriver. 85.154.177.173 (talk) 11:27, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Hint: did you try looking at Lord Tweedmouth? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:56, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome. You are very much encouraged to help improve the existing Lord Tweedmouth article, Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit! I've left a bunch of links at User talk:85.154.177.173 to help you get started with being a Wikipedian. --LukeSurlt c 16:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Where are the advertisement articles?
I would like to find the category of articles written like advertisements in order to attempt to rectify this but I cannot find this category. Rubbish computer (talk) 17:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome back! That can be found over at Category:Articles with a promotional tone. Thanks for your contributions! EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 17:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * That was very quick! Thank you. Rubbish computer (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

help editing a particular page
can some one help me. I edited the Highlands Army Air Defense Site Wikipedia Page and accidentally deleted the Geo-reference box in the upper right corner of the page and I don't know how to put it back up. Jamesnewman1976 (talk) 23:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Jamesnewman1976, welcome to Wikipedia, and to the Teahouse. One way to get the information back is to click "view history" at the top of the page, which should take you here.  From there, you can find an old revision of the page that still has the Geobox in it.  You can then click "edit source" on that page, copy the code for the box, and paste it into the current version of the page.  Hope this helps!  Howicus (Did I mess up?) 23:33, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Referencing feedback confusion
I received feedback for my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kafevend stating "the references are either mere notice of its purchase by another company, or straight press releases. ." I don't understand what the references would need to be as an alternative. The article was declined originally due to the references now adequately showing the subject's notability, so I added further references. Please can you assist with this? Thanks in advanceJoe lineker (talk) 09:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome! The references need to be to third/second party sources such as news articles about the topic. While references by the company can verify facts they don't prove that the articles subject is notable. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 13:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The point is that a Wikipedia article should be based almost entirely on what other people, unconnected with the subject, have published about it in reliable place. If such people have not written much about it, or have written only in unreliable places such as social media sites, blogs, or wikis, then there cannot be an article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:54, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Unconstructive edits and second-hand research
Hello! I'm new here and was reviewing Wikipedia's core content policies when I noticed that an unconstructive edit was made over at Sophie Hunter's page by Lady Lotus (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sophie_Hunter&diff=653358418&oldid=653281992). She has restored an edit that mislabels a production and removes a credit. User Corsican Honeymoon's edit should be restored due to the following reasons:
 * Calling the production Lucretia an installation is mislabeling the production because installations are inanimate and Lucretia has movements from performers, so it should be properly called performance art. Installation and performance art are entirely different things.
 * Putting the timestamp "(2011)" after Rape of Lucretia suggests that Rape of Lucretia was done in 2011 when it isn't. It's the performance art Lucretia that was produced in 2011 not the opera which was first performed in 1946.
 * Deletion of Magic Flute as credit when the provided reliable source explicitly says that Hunter has directed it. Per core content policy "No original research", an editor can't just remove a credit because she thinks the production didn't happen at all. That counts as vandalism.92.48.78.137 (talk) 01:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The best place to discuss edits to an article is on the article's talk page. I haven't looked at the page in question, but it would appear that the answer to all your questions is "what do the reliable sources say?" If the majority of sources call it an installation then it should say installation; if they call it performance art, then that is what the article should say. On the last one, if the source says so, then that's what the article should say. But please do not throw accusations of vandalism around: vandalism is editing to damage the encyclopaedia, but it sounds from your description as if the other editor believes they are correcting it: whether they are right or not, that is not vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 00:05, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit/Removal/Deletion of Absolute Factual Information.
Reference the Edit I made to the debate on which is correct Is Middday 12am or 12pm?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HigherIntelligence

I have just discovered that the absolute facts I added were removed/completely deleted.

Whilst I am aware that it may not have been written in "Correct Form" for Wikipedia, it was, non-the-less completely factual:- I quoted base 12 and base 24 numerological basic elementary mathematics.

In base 12, when 11:59/12:00 is passed, the numerals turn back to zero because 12 is the maximum in ANY mechanical numeric recording device so therefore it reverts to zero, otherwise it would be adding a 13th hour (número logically speaking).

Whilst more recent edits say there are 24 hours in a day and it starts at 12:00 that is also quite wrong - it does not start or end at 12:00 it starts and ends at 24:00.

A new argument therefore is created:- should we always refer to a maximum whole number as that number divided by two.

I feel extremely aggrieved that my edit was removed, cannot understand the thought process of the individual (If it was done by a person and not a bot - which I do not think would misinterpret the edit) and has now left a "perpetual nonsense rule/convention" which is clearly in dire need of correcting and updating.

I expected edits to be made to bring the presentation up to Wikipedia Standard or clarification of the absolutely obvious points that whilst there are "conventions" regarding clocks and times they CONFLICT 100% and are completely OPPOSITE to conventions theoretical, actual, mechanical and physical which was the point I was attempting to make.

In a solid mechanical object already manufactured to operate in base 12 format (decimalised to 2 places) it cannot suddenly grow another 60 minutes to make 13 hours or x2, therefore a 26 hour day.

I would therefore request reinstatement of my edit to allow sensible common sense improvement or correctly relocating if I have posted it in the wrong area because this logical statement CANNOT BE IGNORED OR DISMISSED SO LIGHTLY BY AN INTELLIGENT OR RATIONAL THINKING HUMAN BEING. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HigherIntelligence (talk • contribs) 14:16, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that, irrespective of the merits of your argument, it has no place in Wikipedia, as it constitutes original research. In fact, no argument or conclusion is ever acceptable in a Wikipedia article unless it is drawn directly from an argument or conclusion in a single published source. --ColinFine (talk) 00:12, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Can I upload a non-free but common use image for a draft?
When can such images be uploaded? Also, how can one find out more information about copyright, image uploading, image use, etc.? Thanks. DawnDusk (talk) 03:11, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Welcome to the Teahouse! Non-free images should only be used in live articles. As a result, simply hold off on uploading the non-free image until the draft goes live.
 * As for more information, here are a few links you might find helpful:
 * Image use policy, describing images, copyrights, requirements, etc.
 * Uploading images, a guide to uploading images.
 * Non-free content, a rather long page describing non-free images and when we use them.
 * Media copyright questions, a good place to ask questions related to media and copyright.
 * Hopefully these help out. Feel free to reply with any more questions. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 03:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

! --DawnDusk (talk) 03:25, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

How to deal with new users making good faith but completely un-encylopedic additions
Hi,

I'm a sort-of-new user who's tried my hand at RC patrolling lately. After looking over user warning templates, how should I deal with users who make seemingly good faith edits that are completely unhelpful? Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cox_(surname)&curid=4318777&diff=653565072&oldid=644323476 Sudo edit this page (talk) 05:21, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, . For the example shown, I would use a warning for improper humor like . However, especially given the username of the editor in question, more likely I would simply revert and ignore per WP:DENY. You show a large amount of good faith by calling that edit good faith. John from Idegon (talk) 06:47, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help! It seems like if in doubt, writing such seemingly bizarre edits off as jokes would work.  I'd rather assume too much good faith ten times than not quite enough once, therefore my inclination to make judgments like that.  Also I made the mistake of worrying too much about how to address the user and didn't actually revert it- oops! Sudo edit this page (talk) 07:05, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

How can I make an article?
I wanted to create an article about Lord Tweedmouth but i don't no how. Please give me some tips on the topic how to create an article.Samved shaji nambiar (talk) 12:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. By a strange coincidence, another user asked a very similar question here yesterday, see  below. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:58, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Using Google Scholar to get records for a specific author
I hope somebody can provide a pointer to the information I need; if not, then perhaps a quick tutorial? I just saw an example here of using Google Scholar to list an author's publications and citations, even calculating their h-index. I want to use that more generally, but with lots of experimentation I can't work out how to get the record for a particular person. For instance, I tried Nobel winner Brian Schmidt but the search cannot find him (it did find three other people with the same name, but not the astro-physicist I wanted). Are there instructions for how to find the records for a specific person, such as Brian Schmidt? Gronk Oz (talk) 08:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting tool. It looks to me as though it is up to the author to set up their own profile and even then it is private unless that author elects to make it public.CV9933 (talk) 11:23, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The Help and Get my own profile links at the bottom certainly indicate that. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. So it's worth checking, in case the person has set up and maintained their profile, but I won't depend on it.  Thanks for the help!--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:08, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

How to become a host?
I want to become a host. Please give me some tips. Samved shaji nambiar (talk) 13:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Commendable enthusiasm, but you need to gain experience in using and editing Wikipedia before you try to advise other people. For starters you can read the various links which were provided to you on the IP user talk page yesterday. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:11, 26 March 2015 (UTC)--David Biddulph (talk) 14:09, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, there Mr -David Biddulph.
Hi, there Mr -David Biddulph. It was me Samved Shaji Nambiar who asked to make an article about Lord Tweedmouth,but my name wasn't there because when I was typing the question I wasn't logged in. Thanks for answering my question "How to make an article"Samved shaji nambiar (talk) 13:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Lord Tweedmouth, I see this has already been answered below, but here's a link to the article, which already exists. Feel free to improve it. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 17:05, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * We should also point out that Dudley Marjoribanks, 1st Baron Tweedmouth is the article on the individual who bred the Golden Retriever, and Lord Tweedmouth (which redirects to Baron Tweedmouth is about the baronetcy line he began. I encourage you to help improve either or both of these pages (or any other article in this wiki!). Happy editing --LukeSurlt c 17:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

why i could not create an article. its about a website like khan academy
i tried several times to create an article i write something like that 'learnersbd is a non-profit educational organization created in 2014 by group of students to create a learning platform for students. learnersbd offers mocktest to the learners to improve their skills free of cost. And other features are also provide free for a students.' but it always deleted. please would u tell me how to complete my article about this site.Hasib07 (talk) 04:31, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Not everything that exists in the world is suitable for a Wikipedia article: we require that subjects be notable, in Wikipedia's special sense. What you need to do is to find where reliable places (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers) have written substantial articles about the organisation: social media doesn't count, nor do blogs, nor does anything published by the organisation itself, or based on its press releases. If you can find such sources, then you can write an article, which must be almost entirely based on what those sources say: I would advise you to use the article wizard, and develop the article in 'Draft' space. If such sources do not exist, then it is not possible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article on the organisation at present, and I advise you not to spend the time on it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Deleting content because of size
I've begun work on The_Legend_of_the_Legendary_Heroes having a massive character section by splitting it into a new page List_of_The_Legend_of_the_Legendary_Heroes_characters. That doesn't change the problem of the wild amount of in-universe information for the characters (both the main characters on the first page and the others on the page I created). But I also read Article_size, which seems to bind me in what I can actually do (I know all the information is correct as a fan of the series). Can someone take a brief look at the pages and recommend me a course of action? DawnDusk (talk) 17:31, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that you made a statement on the talk page of the main article, Talk:The Legend of the Legendary Heroes. That was the right place to discuss.  I see that you then took the bold step of developing an article about the characters.  My further advice would be to wait for discussion on the main talk page before deleting any content from the main article.  I know nothing about the series, but you appear to be asking a policy question, and discussion about the series itself should be on a talk page.  I think that what you did was reasonable.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Can someone help me generate an IPA pronunciation?
I'd like to add a pronunciation guide to the Grodziskie article for how to say the name. IPA mystifies me, so I'm not the best person to take a stab at it. It sounds like grew-JISK-yuh, with some extra rolling of the R.  here is a youtube video with the speaker saying the word at the 1:45 mark. Thank you for any help you can provide. Neil916 (Talk) 15:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Neil. There might be someone along directly who will know but a tailored place to ask for help with this is the language section of the reference desk, where German is discussed all the time and many "speak" IPA fluently.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:35, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll post the request there. Neil916 (Talk) 18:05, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Great. I see you already got an answer. Just noting I should have said Polish!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:47, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

References Notability
Dear Editors,

I am new to Wikipedia. The article that I am keen on publishing has been rejected several times due to content, references and notability issues. I have since attempted to edit it. May I know if I am on the right track?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Queen_Silvia_Nursing_Award

Thank you in advance!

83.250.16.184 (talk) 08:39, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * After a quick look over it, it looks like you've done a great job making a well researched and sourced contribution to the encyclopedia, which is awesome! As for notability, unfortunately, I'm not as familiar with determining notability as some here will be but my gut is saying this scholarship simply doesn't affect enough people or is well-covered enough.    But I hope you stick around and continue to contribute to the project.  Sudo edit this page (talk) 12:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * or Please read WP:GNG, notability isn't based on how many people it effects as much as it's based on how many news articles exist about it. Also whats up with your signature? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 17:08, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * . I'm not sure why you  the signature of Sudo edit this page, but I've reverted that part of your edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That explains alot. I was very confused why his talkpage went somewhere different from his userpage, but that makes more sense. Thanks!


 * (hopefully I'm learning this tagging thing right) looks like my post was in between some edits to my signature and I accidentally posted a botched revision of my signature. Apologies for the inconvenience, and yes I am 100% User:Sudo edit this page and not at all User:C. >Sudo fetch user page >Sudo leave a message 21:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

New editor!
What do you think makes part of a good edit? And how can you improve edit quality, like from just grammar mistakes, to adding some good information?22:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newrunner769 (talk • contribs)


 * All of that! Amy edit that isn't harming (Vandalism or unreferenced additions) is helping. There are large backlogs of articles needing copy editing and that's a great place to start. Just remember if you add information, you need to add a Reference as well. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 23:30, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

How to center photo in infobox?
Hi there - I'm working on the Paul Steinhardt page, and need help centering his profile photo. Thanks! Sleepy Geek (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Sleepy Geek. Most infoboxes make their own image formatting and only want the filename. It's documented at Template:Infobox scientist. I have fixed the syntax.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Steinhardt&diff=653683390&oldid=653682696] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I am really enjoying my experience on Wikipedia, primarily because of people like you! Sleepy Geek (talk) 01:03, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Where do I ask for an article to be created
I tried creating an article, but I'm not that good at it, and the article was declined. Is there any way that I can ask someone with more experience to create it? I would also contribute to the article in any way I can. The article that I am asking to create is Free Rider HD. http://www.freeriderhd.com Dominic951 (talk) 20:40, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Simple enough, my friend. You put your request for an article at, uhh, Requested articles. (Have a donut before you go.) BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

tag filter on the user contributions page
Hello, I just want to know if you type in anything on the tag filter of a user contributions page will it cause any changes to the user contributions page or not?Studentcollege (talk) 21:25, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again, The tag filter doesn't cause any changes. Entering in a tag name from this list will return any of the user's contributions that have been tagged as such. For example, entering   as a tag filter will show an editor's mobile edits. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 22:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much I appreciate it.Studentcollege (talk) 22:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * If you don't mind me asking, why are you so concerned with contributions and trying to figure out the impossible? Especially considering you (or at least this account) has none outside of here. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 22:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * its just that when you do anything on Wikipedia whether its contributing, getting resources to provide information, or simply just helping out with another contributer sometimes you gotta think before you do anything on Wikipedia because you gotta make sure what you have contributed was the right thing to do or not.Studentcollege (talk) 01:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, . One of Wikipedia's fundamental principles is to assume good faith.  Basically, this means that editors assume that other editors' edits and comments are made in attempts to help the project, not hurt it. There can still be discussion, disagreement and criticism - all in good faith, unless there is obvious vandalism, etc. So every change I have ever made on Wikipedia is recorded in the logs for all to see (you can see it here), and I am okay with that - even my mistakes, because they were honest mistakes which then got fixed.  So why not give it a go - find an article that needs some work, and make a change to provide some good, verifiable, well-referenced information.  Then stand back and admire how the article is better than it was before - that's what we're here for!--Gronk Oz (talk) 03:42, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice advice, Gronk Oz! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Country links
Should not the country of article of people on Wikipedia be linked? aGastya   &#9993; let's talk about it  :)  16:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The country is usually linked in an infobox and once in the running text. WP:CONTEXTLINK is generally against linking it in the opening sentence but it's often done anyway, including the current version of the article Van Cliburn used in an example where it's not linked. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * @PrimeHunter; but the country United States isn't linked in the infobox of Van Cliburn. It should be there or not? aGastya    &#9993; let's talk about it  :)  03:54, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know a guideline. I view many sports biographies and if an athlete represents their country then maybe a link is more common. If a country subdivision is linked in the infobox then the country itself is often not. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you :) aGastya    &#9993; let's talk about it  :)  14:34, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There is such a thing as overlinking. So, when you already have San Francisco, California, there is no reason to add United States after it because where else would California be? Other examples of overlinking abouind. Same goes for London, England, or London, Ontario, or New London, Connecticut. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 04:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * But @BeenAroundAWhile; what if (let me take a direct example) Kakrapar: It is where i live. It is in Gujarat. Which many a times thought as Gujrat. So if the place is not well known, should not be country added? aGastya    &#9993; let's talk about it  :)  04:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

talk
What does it mean when there is the word "talk" after a user name? anatomyczarAnatomyczar (talk) 12:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. That is a link to the user's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:29, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, This isn't quite correct. A user's talk page is named User talk:Username, with the words "User talk" and a colon before the user name: for instance, User talk:Anatomyczar or User talk:David Biddulph. anatomyczar, can you give us an example? Or did you just make a slip, so these really are what you're talking about?  (BTW, anatomyczar, the best way to sign a post on a talk page or the Teahouse is four tildes:  ~ , which will automatically turn into your linked name and talk page and the date & time. Look at the top of this post, just under the title line talk, to see how your username plus four tildes came out.) David Biddulph (talk) 21:13, 26 March 2015 (UTC)--Thnidu (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know why you say that this isn't quite correct. In the context in which I believe the question was asked, the word "talk" is the link to the user's talk page.  Your own signature immediately above is coded as --Thnidu (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC), which renders as --Thnidu (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2015 (UTC).  Here the word "talk" after your user name "Thnidu" is a link to your user talk page User talk:Thnidu. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:13, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * D'ohhh! Right you are. I'm so used to looking at wikicode... --Thnidu (talk) 05:16, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

I think I figured it out. Thanks.vAnatomyczar (talk) 20:20, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

My article is short
My article has no context what do I do? Phxcpugeek254 (talk) 05:32, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Phxcpugeek254, welcome to the Teahouse. That message was incorrect, your article has enough context to determine the subject. However what it doesn't have are sources that show the list is notable. Per WP:LISTN: "Notability guidelines apply to the inclusion of stand-alone lists and tables. Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group. One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." Basically, you need to find newspaper articles that report on this group of teams. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 05:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

I wrote an entry, how do I post it?
I have written an entry, but I don't know how to post it so that everyone can see it. Help!

MyTeksi (talk) 06:14, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Your draft article has a long list of improperly formatted references at the end, but lacks inline references. Please read Referencing for beginners and reformat properly. Please also read about the Neutral point of view and edit your draft accordingly. Make no claims that are not supported by reliable independent sources. Read Your first article and comply with its recommendations. Once you have done every reasonable thing to improve the draft, let us know here at the Teahouse, and an experienced editor will take another look. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:27, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

clarification on non-free use for art of specific geography
Hi - I am hoping someone well versed in non-free use can advise me on using images of artworks in the Barjeel Art Foundation wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barjeel_Art_Foundation The collection is specific to modern and contemporary Arab art (and is one of the best in the world!). My understanding is that it would be fair use to show artworks as they illustrate not a school of art but an equally relevant classification and one that is typically under-represented online so educational value is high. If someone has time I would really appreciate if you look at my fair use rationale and let me know what I am doing wrong or if it is even possible to allow these onto wikipedia.

thanks C. Cmclean74 (talk) 12:04, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Anyone? Maybe I am not posting this in the correct place or posting correctly? Sorry it's my first time in the teahouse.C.Cmclean74 (talk) 11:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * You posted OK but don't forget that everyone who responds here is a volunteer. The copyright/licensing expert volunteers hang out at WP:MCQ so you may get a faster response there.--ukexpat (talk) 12:35, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah yes of course. Thanks for the info - I will try the question over there.

thanks C. Cmclean74 (talk) 06:37, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

CSD A7
Please can someone explain to be in basics what CSD A7 is? I am trying to create an article, but I am not having much luck. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_Representative_Party Thanks for any help! CaptainWill98 (talk) 22:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome! WP:CSD A7 is a speedy deletion criteria that allows for accelerated deletion of main space articles that don't show NOTABILITY (importance on a large scale). To demonstrate this you should have References to news articles and other non first party sources. If you need time to work on the article and add references I suggest creating it at Draft:Youth Representative Party instead where A7 isn't appliable and work on it there until its ready. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 23:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Quick but important clarification: A7 doesn't seek notability, just a claim of significance. An article subject may not appear to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, but if the article makes some sort of credible claim of being important or significant, then it doesn't qualify (with or without sources). ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 00:13, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * is right there, but also remember it may pass A7 and other speedy deletion criteria, but will still be vulnerable to a articles for deletion. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's really helpful. CaptainWill98 (talk) 06:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . I see your new version of Youth Representative Party was again tagged with A7. That is because it make no credible claim of importance or significance. Your references are of no value, because they cite pages written by a party leader; so they are not independent reliable sources. —teb728 t c 07:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It was also tagged A11, which means the person who tagged it thinks it is not a real party but something you and your friends just made up. —teb728 t c 08:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

How to approve a pending change
Hi, I've been an editor for 2+ years with, I think something like 18,000 edits. I want to approve this change:. How can I go about doing that? --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom (LT), you need Pending changes reviewer permission - apply at Requests for permissions. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 19:22, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The error was introduced in last year.  I have prodded the editor concerned, & will accept the pending change. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:35, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your help. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:58, 27 March 2015 (UTC)