Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 327

adding to an existing article
I wrote an article at 2003, which was extensively edited by other. How can I go in to add some new information to it? (24.170.194.33 (talk) 02:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Simply click the "edit" button at the article, and make your changes. Please be aware that our standards are stricter than they were 12 years ago. So, be sure to reference any substantive additions to what reliable sources say about the topic. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  02:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You can also be a registered sure which gives you more privileges and helps you to track the changes you had made and much more. Komchi ✉☆ 13:50, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Place names on a map
I'm having difficulty finding out how to place names on a map. In Abercych the name runs off the edge of the map image, so I want the name on the left of the red "blob" (as seemed to happen automatically with the names on the map in List of places in Pembrokeshire). Can anyone help?  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  13:40, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * , welcome to the Teahouse. One of those obscure bits of Wiki markup but inside Location Map the position of the text label will default to left or right depending on the co-ordinates of the place relevant to the map edge.  But inside Infobox UK place, the infobox in Abercych the default is right only.  To fix this I added the parameter  left to the article infobox. Nthep (talk) 13:50, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Two words: brilliant, thanks.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  13:52, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Patrol
Are redirect(ing) pages also to be patrolled? aGastya   &#9993; let's talk about it  :)  11:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello there! Redirect pages are to be patrolled to check that they are appropriate. However, only experienced editors are advised to patrol new pages as it requires an almost admin level of knowledge. If you want to help fight vandalism check out WP:CVUA. Thanks! TheMagikCow (talk) 14:15, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

what is this credit given by wikipedia to their article writers?
Want to know that what are the benifits of writing articles in wikipedia. Wikipedia gives credits to the article writer but in which way does wikipedia gives credits to the writer. What is actually this thing credit means?122.162.78.208 (talk) 10:16, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. Credit means that the contributions of each editor is permanently registered in the page history seen when you click the "View history" tab. See more at Help:Page History. All edits by a specific user can also be seen on a page like Special:Contributions/PrimeHunter. Most articles have many contributors. Reusers of Wikipedia articles are required to give attribution in a way which enables their readers to find the contributors to the article. See more at Copyrights. Some reusers name the authors directly but this is not a requirement. It is more common to give a link to the article. There are unfortunately also reusers who break our copyright by not giving any attribution. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * To address the first part of your question, about the benefits of writing articles for Wikipedia: the only benefit I know of is the personal satisfaction. There is no pay, no royalties, no fame outside of this tiny stage. Just the thought that you have contributed to something worthwhile. That is just my own personal view.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:41, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

NOINDEX
Is there a way to NOINDEX all subpages of a single page. StudiesWorld (talk) 13:47, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi StudiesWorld. This cannot be done in wikitext unless the pages transclude a common template and can be noindexed by that template. It's possible in MediaWiki:Robots.txt to do something similar to noindex for subpages of a given page, but this is only done in special cases like discussion boards with a lot of subpages. Where do you want to do it? If it's subpages of your user page then you have to do it yourself. The pages are listed at Special:PrefixIndex/User:StudiesWorld/. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:23, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * If I add it to a user page does it apply to the talk page? StudiesWorld (talk) 14:28, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it only applies to the page itself. Your user talk subpages are listed at Special:PrefixIndex/User talk:StudiesWorld/. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:57, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Who can award a Barnstar? And for What?
Who is allowed to award Barnstars and for what reasons can you award them?

I was really impressed by the constructive and non-acrimonious tone and contributions from all the people involved in the recent AFD discussion on the Alliance of Women Directors article. What could have been—with the wrong editors involved—a very nasty debate, turned into a very positive discussion. Even editors who strongly felt that the article should be deleted worked hard to find sources and fix problems with it. This is the kind of positive collaboration people don't hear a lot about in Wikipedia-land and I'd like to recognize it. Thanks. Carl Henderson (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * You may refer | this! I too had asked this question and I hope you would me satisfied by the answer I was provided! aGastya    &#9993; let's talk about it  :)  19:23, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you.Carl Henderson (talk) 19:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding Template:WPStatistics template to talk pages - what about 'class' and 'importance'?
This is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Statistics, specifically under Administrative tasks: Add the Template:WPStatistics banner to the talk page of articles in List of statistics articles. I am not sure what to do about the 'class' and 'importance' indicators. Copy them from another banner? Leave them blank?AppliedStatistics (talk) 07:19, 2 April 2015 (UTC)AppliedStatistics (talk) 20:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Blank, for now. Beginners like you who know the topic (any topic) are of course welcome, indeed needed, so we're very happy to have you. However,  assessment requires studying a big fraction of the articles under the purview of the topical Project to get an idea of the range of quality.  It's a big job and should be discussed beforehand in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Statistics or similar page for whatever topical Project.  Jim.henderson (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Question about references
What does it mean when a reference is "archived from the original"? —DangerousJXD (talk) 08:31, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * G'day, . Some Web pages don't last; for example, some newspapers are notorious for getting rid of old stories.  Or pages gets changed, so maybe it used to say that your subject was the Chairman, but not any more.  Either way, it stuffs up our articles.  One way around this is to use one of the "archive" services which will store a copy of the Web page, as it is today, for permanent reference.  There are several such sites; the one I use is Webcite at http://www.webcitation.org/archive.  Then when providing the citation, as well as providing the actual URL, also fill in the Archive URL and the Archive date.  This will give the effect you describe, and will protect your articles from link rot.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You're good, aren't you? :) Thanks for the terrific answer. –DangerousJXD (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

How to do a "profile"?
I'm new to wiki-editing and want to know how to do like the "profile" which is usually on the top right of the page describing the person/place/etc. Panewithholder (talk) 21:49, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Panewithholder and welcome to the Teahouse. The page you refer to is not you "profile", it is your user page where you write something about your interest here on the Wikipedia. I have left you some more info about this and how you create one, plus a bunch of useful links on your talk page. Cheers, w.carter -Talk  22:11, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The previous answer assumes you are talking about the page User:Panewithholder. It sounds to me like you are actually talking about infoboxes in articles. See Help:Infobox for that. There are different infoboxes for different types of articles. For example, the top right of Jimmy Wales uses Template:Infobox person which has documentation there. You can also click the "Edit" or "View source" tab on an article to see how it does something. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you PrimeHunter for covering both scenarios, I missed that one. (Too into the things newbies usually ask about) ;) Best, w.carter -Talk  22:48, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Panewithholder (talk) 23:44, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Query
ধনুষ was added by an IP editor on the page Dhanush, but this article is not there in Assamese. It was added amongst categories. Q.1 Is it correct to remove that? Q.2 If the article existed, should it be added? aGastya   &#9993; let's talk about it  :)  15:45, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * , you were right to remove it. Different-language articles about the same subject are normally tied together via Wikidata, in the "Languages" list in the side bar. If it is not possible to tie the article to another one via Wikidata (usually because one language has an article on a broader subject than the other), a link like the one you removed may be used, but only if the target article actually exists. In this case, if somebody writes an article on Dhanush in the as: Wikipedia, it should be linked via Wikidata entry Q331050. --ColinFine (talk) 00:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I want to post a page for BODYARMOR SuperDrink
I want to post a page for BODYARMOR SuperDrink. I submitted my page for review and it was removed because it read too much like an advertisement. I edited it according to the comments and it was again removed, but I did not receive feedback on what changes to make. Can you please follow the link to my sandbox and provide input on how the page can be edited so that it would fit criteria for approval? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ianvor/sandbox Ianvor (talk) 20:55, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Try something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerade Panewithholder (talk) 21:51, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * No, please don't, . The Powerade article is better than your draft, but it contains far too much unreferenced detail., I can see that you mean well, but I don't think you are experienced enough to be answering here. Please see Teahouse/Host start. --ColinFine (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Policy for deletion
I have just downloaded a bio about myself on Wikipedia free. It was on the 'quick delete' status. I don't know why as it is all true and me. Can you help me understand the problem? Thanks. Dan O'DowdDan O&#39;Dowd (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Removed it, the speedy deletion can only be contested on articles and thus it does not qualify the standards. Komchi ✉☆ 17:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * And the speedy deletion tag been reinstated and the page deleted. Dan, the issue is that your first, and so far only edit to Wikipedia other than this question has been to create a user page for yourself that goes beyond what is considered acceptable for a user page.  WP:NOTWEBHOST says "Wikipedians have their own user pages, but they should be used primarily to present information relevant to working on the encyclopedia. Limited biographical information is allowed, but user pages should not function as personal webpages or be repositories for large amounts of material that is irrelevant to collaborating on Wikipedia."  The truth or otherwise isn't the point, it appears that you are only trying to use Wikipedia to promote yourself which is not what Wikipedia is here for. Nthep (talk) 17:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * If you are implying that speedy deletion only applies to articles, that is incorrect. The general categories, particularly advertising and copyright infringement, apply everywhere.--ukexpat (talk) 18:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright, I am very very sorry what I have done.  Komchi ✉☆ 02:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi.
I want to start making fixes to Wikipedia, however,. Is there some sort of page that shows pages that need fixing? Thank you. Zeke Essiestudy (talk) 23:25, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Try clicking on random article until you find something that says need fixing or you can tell needs a little cleaning up. Panewithholder (talk) 23:46, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . For a list of pages which have already been marked as needing work, you could look at pages listed in the main part of WP:WikiProject_Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. --ColinFine (talk) 00:19, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Zeke. The Community portal (which is a permanent link under the "interaction" menu on the left hand side of the interface) provides a big list of articles in need of work under defined categories, and you can have that list of open tasks always available by transcluding it into your user talk page or user page by adding the code   to the one or the other. You can also sign up for delivery of suggested articles to edit at User:SuggestBot/Getting Recommendations Regularly. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

YouTube
Hi, I want to write an article about YouTube. Will people be intersted?

TermlessFob2375YouTube (talk) 06:26, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you be more specific, TermlessFob2375YouTube? You'll get the best answer possible that way. DangerousJXD (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * There is already an article for YouTube. Do you want to create an article about a specific YouTube video or a YouTube celebrity? Please clarify.-- Chamith  (talk)  09:10, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Wrong imformation+Wrong citation, What should I do?
Hello, I am editing article,Call of Duty 3 where I say Gamespot review score as 9 but when I checked it did not have it instead it had 8.2 score. How can I check who did it or can someone take appropriate steps for me or teach me how to do it. Thank  Komchi ✉☆ 16:54, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse Komchi. If you spot an error on Wikipedia, you're more than welcome to correct it yourself by editing the page.  Make sure that you cite your sources so that other people can similarly verify the statements you make. And if you think there might be disagreement, you may just opt to start a talk page discussion instead, presenting the evidence you found and seeking others' insights into how to resolve the contradictions. Make sense? Keihatsu  talk 17:52, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Thank You  Komchi ✉☆ 17:57, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * , this is the sort of information that will change regularly. It may have been 9 when the previous editor checked, and now it has changed.  Tomorrow it may change again.  To handle a situation like this, you can use   in the text to show when the information was current, and use one of the services that will archive the Web page (such as Webcite) to save a permanent copy of the page as it is now, for reference.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that is true because after a game releases all his Downloadable contents and extras and officially announce no more updates will be coming then the reviewers give it a final score which never changes by that time it may change though.  Komchi ✉☆ 02:22, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point, . I suppose it depends on whether that score comes from the site's own reviewers (in which case it will be stable) or from readers' feedback (in which case it could change).  I do not have any insight into how they handle it on this particular site, so if you do then of course go with that.--Gronk Oz (talk) 09:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Quick Question
Hello,

I am editing on Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Phantoms(game) and I wanted to ask whether I could use their website to use a reference for the multiple characters it presents to the gamers?

Thank You. Komchi ✉☆ 09:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, if it's their official website then of course you can use it as a source. By the way be careful not to add too much information about characters in the game. And remember you do not need to cite everything. For example game plots and film plots aren't cited usually. Cheers!-- Chamith  (talk)  09:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * (I should have stated some more details)This game is a free-to-play game that means it does not have any plots just title-who wins the game. If Ubisoft(game company) made this game and I use their cite for character references, isn't that WP:SPS?
 * As long as the things you pick from that site are uncontroversial, you may use it . I like to quote what a very experienced editor said to me about WP:SELFSOURCE when I asked the same question as a newbie:
 * "the information must be uncontroversial (children's birthdates are fine, unsubstatiated claims of acheiving cold fusion in the garage are not)"
 * Best, w.carter -Talk  09:50, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you again  Komchi ✉☆ 09:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining it for me. And  make sure to read WP:ABOUTSELF. Regards-- Chamith   (talk)  10:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I have just done a complete update of my Profile which has been rejected. Please advise
I am Professor Satvinder Juss. My edit of my now details has been rejected and I do not understand why. Please Advice Satvinder Juss (talk) 11:56, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. I reverted your edit per WP:AUTO; avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, as they often result in original research and/or a conflict of interest. --T</b><b style= "color:#FF4200">L</b><b style= "color:#FF7400">2</b><b style= "color:#FFA700">2</b> (<i style= "color:green">talk</i>) 13:33, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * , the fact that you refer to your "profile" might point to a basic mis-understanding of what Wikipedia is about. It is not a professional or personal networking site like Linkedin or Facebook, and you don't create a profile for yourself here.  This is an encyclopedia, where editors write independent articles about notable subjects.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * , you can create a profile on your user page provided your intention is to help with areas of the encyclopedia other than just an article about yourself. The profile should relate specifically to your activities here and not to promoting yourself. If you are here only to create your profile, then the above advice applies.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  14:53, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

,, - I think we can be a bit more constructive here, per the guideline WP:BIOSELF. Please correct me if I am wrong, but here is my understanding of how to move ahead. Satvinder is a notable person who is already the subject of an article (Satvinder S. Juss), and who is trying to bring it up to date in good faith (that is what I shall assume). Satvinder, the best way to proceed is for you to describe what you think should change on the Talk page of that article, and include independent references in reliable sources to back up each statement. Those references are vital; without them, information will not be verifiable and so it cannot be included. Once you have done this, other editors who do not have your conflict of interest can decide the best way to incorporate that new information into the article. The guideline I mentioned above lists several ways to invite editors or admins to act on your comments. I hope this helps to move things forward.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that the entire article has been nominated for deletion. Now is the time to provide those references, to verify the information provided and to show notability.  So far, neither of the references that were provided actually support the statements they were supposed to. Biographies of living people must have valid references, so if you want to save the article then NOW is the time to provide them.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

What to do when no one responds to edit suggestions posted on a talk page
Hello Teahouse. I appreciate it that EN.Wikipedia runs a friendly forum-like place for new people. I'm an avid and longtime EN.Wikipedia user, but completely new to editing Wikipedia. I'm originally from the Netherlands (but reasonably fluent in English), and a software developer by profession.

Relatively recently I came across the EN.Wikipedia article "Montgomery reduction" (it's a mathematics topic, possibly a somewhat specialized one). The topic was then new to me, and I first learned of it via the Wikipedia article. After now having studied the topic for a few weeks, I think I see a few ways to improve that article (including changing its title), and I suggested these on the article's talk page, just over a week ago now.

Since the article's topic is relatively new to me, I think that before I make actual edits it would be good to get opinions and feedback from the people who've contributed to the article (and who may have more experience on the topic and on the customary usage of the associated terminology).

My problem is that no one has yet commented on the suggestions I posted on the article's talk page. So I am unsure what I should do now.

Should I wait some more time for people to comment on my proposal on the talk page? If so, then how long should I wait?

Or should I just go ahead, and post a "Requested move" for the title change, and make edits in the article text?

The problem is that I'm completely new to editing Wikipedia, and unfamiliar with the "ethics" and the customary way of how things are done. I could imagine that posting the "Requested move" and making edits could be a usual way on Wikipedia to get people to comment on those changes? On the other hand, a premature "Requested move" posting could be seen as brash or presumptuous. I simply don't know. I would welcome suggestions. --MRaccoon (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello again MRaccoon (see the question/answer below). Not all articles are visited or edited that frequently, and the traffic seems somewhat slow on the Montgomery reduction (this is how you link to an article). Each article is linked to different projects here. Those can be found at the top of the article's talk page and those are the ones you go to if you want to attract more attention for your proposal. In this case the projects are WikiProject Computer science and WikiProject Mathematics. I suggest that you post notes at those, or rather at the talk pages' of the projects. Start with that before you make any move requests. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  14:34, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter, many thanks for your comment here and in the other discussion thread. Right, I see now how you make the links.:-)  (I've edited in company wikis before, just not in Wikipedia.)


 * I had not known of the "Projects" and of the fact that these also have their talk pages. That is extremely helpful information, many thanks for alerting me to it.  These two Project talk pages indeed look like a good place to post at least my suggestion for changing the name of the Montgomery article.  So I'll indeed seek discussion there before I post a "Requested move".  (I think I will try the Mathematics project first.)


 * With respect to your comment in the other thread: Via the article Five pillars I've now found the article  BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which states: "If you advance a potential edit on the article's talk page, and no response is received after a reasonable amount of time, go ahead and make your edit." (and which then at some length explains why).  Which seems to answer my original question pretty well.  But I'm glad to know now of the Project talk pages, and I would prefer to seek discussion there before making any edits.


 * Thanks for your help and with best regards, MRaccoon (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I think you are making the right choice with trying the projects first. Yes, the WP:BOLD does exist, but it is normally not the very first thing you suggest to a newbie. ;) It is better to tread carefully in a new environment. If you get stuck somewhere just give me a 'ping'. I will leave you a little note on your talk page how that is done. Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  16:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello again <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter . Excellent.  Thank you for your offer of being available in case I should get stuck.


 * I've seen your note about the "ping". (So that is where these "at" signs originate from.)  Thanks and with best regards, MRaccoon (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Have finished writing Band Profile article in User Space and now stuck
Hello all. I have finished writing my first article in a User Space and am about to Save it but am worried. It's not quite right and I need to have someone help me by looking at it to make sure it's okay. My external links section doesn't look right. I need someone to look at the reference section to see if that's right. I also don't know if I'm supposed to sign it before I save it. It's definitely not ready to go live. I need to make sure someone else can see that I have proved the band notable, that it's neutral with no puffery. Help! What I do next? Corazon70Corazon70 (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and moved it to the article space and am making a few tweaks. But it certainly looks ready to me.  Good work!  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 02:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * @Jayron32 - Thank you so much! Does that mean it's like approved or could it still be deleted in future if someone doesn't like it? Corazon70Corazon70 (talk) 04:30, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * AFC "approval" is an optional process. Know that you're not required to follow it.  We recommend that new users follow it as a sort of training thing, but any article can be put in the main space without approval.  And my moving it to the main space doesn't give any formal stamp of "approval".  I'm an editor no different than you, excepting that I've been here a while.  My opinion is not official; really no one's is around here.  Wikipedia doesn't have any official body to give approval of anything.  All that being said; the article isn't going anywhere.  It's not because I "approved" it, but because my years of experience tells me the minimum standards at WP:GNG have been cleared here.  Any other experienced editor would say the same.  Good luck with your further time at Wikipedia, if there is anything else I can help you with, feel free to contact me, and I'll see what I can do.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 04:36, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * @Jayron32: Okay, thank you for your explanation. There just seemed to be this thing of people being really worried about deletion of articles for all kinds of different reasons. Corazon70Corazon70 (talk) 04:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, articles get deleted all the time. Most commonly it is because new users are unaware of Wikipedia's standards for having an article about a subject in the first place.  Not everything that exists merits an article, and articles should be self-evidently about notable subjects.  Once an article is about a self-evidently notable subject (as evidenced by the coverage of the subject in reliable sources) then it's here to stay.  The article about this band had met those minimum standards, which is why it won't be deleted.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 04:44, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * @Jayron32 - Oh that puts my mind at ease. Thank you again so much for your time and trouble and have a great rest of your weekend.Corazon70Corazon70 (talk) 17:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Dealing with COI / WifiOne
Recently, I asked a question about how to address industry slant in articles here. Related to that is the issue of COI and what we saw happen with the WifiOne case discussed on Jimbo's page here. A user recently wrote this essay with the goal of addressing COI problems. Now some of the same people who have been accused of creating industry slant are the ones trying to have the essay deleted here. What can we do to address the kind of COI that happened with WifiOne and avoid the intimidation tactics of those who protect industry slant? I thought this essay would the right approach. It seems any efforts to address COI will be vigorously opposed. David Tornheim (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * some of the same people who have been accused of creating industry slant ← but without any evidence, right? This dreadfully inept essay is no solution to the problem of COI-tainted editing on Wikipedia and is (deservedly) getting panned by clueful editors. Alexbrn (talk) 17:36, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your Teahouse visit but we volunteer our time here to help new editors and those with editing questions. Best Regards,
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When Will The Super Bowl LIII Article Start
I Hope The Super Bowl LIII Article begins next Month Because they will announces the finalists for the game and cities should be coming soon. Barenight (talk) 14:51, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for visiting the Teahouse . Am I sensing some kind of eager anticipation on your part to begin editing on such an article?
 * <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkgray 0px 3px 3px;"> Bfpage &#124;leave a message 21:05, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Can I create a wiki article on myself?
I'm a YouTuber. I have a handle called tomboy diaries and I basically want to promote it. Having a wiki article will give it a cool, "in demand" vibe. I wanted to ask whether it will be appropriate and/or viewed enough not to be deleted because of less views. I'm hoping for an honest answer. Please help? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomboy diaries (talk • contribs) 11:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Article is not deleted based on number of views. You should read WP:PROMOTION. Unless you can show why you are notable, your article will likely be speedy deleted.--Cahk (talk) 11:27, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Taking a slightly different view to . It is generally frowned upon to write articles about yourself. If you are notable, someone will write an article about you. TheMagikCow (talk) 14:16, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that there is a fairly common view on the English Wikipedia that "being famous on Youtube is similar to being rich in Monopoly". For such an article to stand it would need solid independent reliable sources published outside of Youtube itself. Look for in depth mainstream media coverage such as news, magazines or reputable ezines. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I also suggest you read the "Law of Unintended Consequences" which includes:- "If you write about yourself, your group or your company, once the article is created, you have no right to control its content .... If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want to have included in an article, it will probably find its way there eventually." - Arjayay (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read WP:Autobiography for why this is a bad idea - especially the statement "If you create an autobiography, you must have no promotional intent" which you have clearly stated you have.


 * I think you need to have more notability, I have attempted to make a BLP on myself before and it was deleted. Ay Yowai (talk) 22:58, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

"Negro quartet" and "Nigger quartet"
Both titles are disgusting. But I can remember when, in the 1950s, they were commonly-used nicknames for Dvorak's American Quartet. IMO redirect pages, which I cannot create, are needed from both titles to that article, which mentions them. Narky Blert (talk) 22:50, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Directions for creating redirect pages are at WP:REDIRECT. Is there another reason you say you can't create them? <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Narky Blert, as you said "I can remember when" then I guess this is not Verifiable - only if you can add sources for such names to the main article should you add redirects for these names. KylieTastic (talk) 23:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I've managed to create the redirect from "Negro quartet".
 * I cannot create a page redirecting from "Nigger quartet": "The title "Nigger quartet" has been banned from creation. It matches the following blacklist entry: .*nig{2,}er.* # nigger" I can't say I'm surprised, high-level approval should be required to create anything as controversial as that.
 * "I can remember when": my assertion is supported by existing citations in String Quartet No. 12 (Dvořák). If it had not been, I would have looked for some. Narky Blert (talk) 00:19, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

copie an article from WP:de to WP:en - asking for information how to do correct
Hello I just write my second article for the WP-Germany. This is an update about Georg Nees. The old text is just .... My new text is a work in progress and my mentor is now correcting the last errors.
 * I am looking for some information to integrate my edits in german in the english article Georg Nees on this site. - Maxim Pouska -

copie an article from WP:de to WP:en - asking for information how to do correct --Maxim Pouska (talk) 11:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello there Maxim. So you have added to an article on DE.Wikipedia, and now you would like to make these same additions to the corresponding article on EN.Wikipedia, is that correct?  In case you already have the text of the new EN article available and need someone to proof-read it, then maybe I could help.  I'm very new to Wikipedia myself, but I'm near fluent in both German and English (I actually live in Germany at the moment), so proofreading an EN text is maybe something I can do.  Reply here or comment on my talk page if I can be of service.  --MRaccoon (talk) 14:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello both of you, Maxim Pouska and MRaccoon, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is good to see two newbies meeting here and helping each other out. MRaccoon is right that your additions to the article must be in correct English. More so, the text must be in encyclopedic English and referenced. The standards and rules here may differ from those of the German Wikipedia. The best thing would be for both of you to read Your first article as well as Five pillars. There are a bunch of links to other good help pages for you gathered in the welcome message you have on your talk pages. You may even be interested in doing the Wikipedia adventure (see the top of this page) to get started here. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  14:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the de:Georg Nees and saw that it was tagged for not being properly referenced, so if you add translated text from that article, you need to find sources to support the new text, otherwise your edits may be reverted. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  14:49, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Maxim Pouska and MRaccoon. One thing to be careful of is providing mandatory copyright attribution when you add the translated text. It's not difficult: When you copy text from there to here, use an edit summary like this <tt>Content in this edit is translated from the existing German Wikipedia article at de:Georg Nees ; see its history for attribution</tt>. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * hello, thanks to all for the fast responce. I know about the rouls allredy, because this is my second article in german. The old article about de:Georg Nees is from the early days. I correcte it now with all the references, exhibition, books, litereture etc. I have sources for this. My first article was about de:Alex Kempkens. I can write simple english and the text will be in an encyclopedic styl. I would like some proof reading and contact MRaccoon for this. But I take my time and my DN mentor too that the text in german is perfect bevor I start with the translation. The englisch article about Georg Nees is OK, but I can add more too the article. Thanks to all. PS I know about copyright - I write the text complet new and my mentor ist taking care for this problem. --Maxim Pouska (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Maxim Pouska. Understood.  I can not promise in advance that at a much later date I will still have time, but when the EN translation is ready and you still welcome proofreaders, then please do not hesitate to notify me.  Vielen Erfolg und mit freundlichen Grüßen, MRaccoon (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello again Maxim and all contributors to this thread. Oh my God, after re-reading this thread I now see, Maxim, that I may have misinterpreted your first posting.  I hope that I have not thereby caused the discussion to be derailed into a mistaken direction.


 * I took your phrase "I just write an article" to mean "I just WROTE an article" (where I now see that you probably meant "ich schreibe gerade ein Artikel" = "I am currently writing an article".)


 * I now see that you probably meant to say that you are currently still in the process of preparing the new text for the DE article, and that the DE article in its current state does not yet show your changes/additions, is that correct? And the purpose of your original question was, prior to starting work on the corresponding EN article, in advance to gather some first information on generally how to go about carrying over changes made in a DE.Wikipedia article, to changes in the corresponding EN.Wikipedia article.  Is that correct?  Or maybe your question intended also to include asking about whether there exist mechanisms or procedures for keeping the content of DE.Wikipedia articles and EN.Wikipedia articles somehow synchronized.


 * (There could be a slight cultural difference between the EN-speaking world and Germany; the Germans being used to preparing everything before they make any move, and the Americans being used to plunging directly into execution without much preparation. Americans may be less used to people asking for information far in advance.)  On EN-language forums, everything is usually about questions that are very immediate to the person asking the question (which also led me to my misinterpretation).  I have relatively little experience on German-language forums, but I strongly suspect that in comparison, the discussion topics on DE.Wikipedia talk pages could be typically relatively more about future planning than they are on EN.Wikipedia.  Anyway, me I interpreted you as asking about something you are already in the middle of doing (where I now see that you were very probably asking in advance about something that is still in the future for you).


 * In case I did indeed misinterpret you, then I'm sorry. I'm extremely new here, but in that case I have a feeling that it could be helpful to the Teahouse people if you repost your question, maybe clarifying a bit more.  Or maybe reply to this and in your reply confirm what was your intended question.  --MRaccoon (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Raccoon - no problem. yes the article about Nees you can see on WP:DE now is very old and I did not create it. I am new on WP too. Now I am in the final phase of the new article on my User: Maxim Pouska / Article draft page. Yes as german I ask question to learn to do the job. Something is always different with html and writing. Special the copyright questions are important and complicated. The information I received are helpful and I will read the information. The cultural difference is not a problem. I lived some years in Montreal, Canada and between Quebec and the RoC (Rest of Canada) exist lots of differences - also the US. I inform you if I ready. thanks --Maxim Pouska (talk) 06:54, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Can I take award section of an author as source?
Hello,

I want to write about an author named William Donahue Ellis a writer. I was able to find only one good source which told about his life but it was an award page(http://clevelandartsprize.org/awardees/william_ellis.html). Can I take it as a reference and create a page about him?

Thank You Komchi ✉☆ 05:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . A single reference is rarely if ever considered sufficient to establish notability. Who says that the Cleveland Arts Prize is a notable enough award that winning it establishes the notability of its winners? I notice that Wikipedia does not have an article about the award. That isn't conclusive proof, but you should be prepared to prove that the award itself is independently respected, and explain why other coverage of this writer is lacking. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  08:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright  Komchi ✉☆ 08:20, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Invalid month invalid day
Hi, The article about Thomas Seymour, 1st Baron Seymour of Sudeley has "invalid month invalid day" next to the date of his death in the info box. Why is that and what is the best way to correct it? NickNak (talk) 09:53, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for asking, . I fixed it with this edit. It had been using 00|00 to represent his unknown birth date. Apparently that was considered valid code until a change in the Death date and age template a couple of days ago. —teb728 t c 10:21, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * That's just 1 out 1300 fixed then ;) see Category:Pages using age template with invalid date for the rest. I'll add to my - todo list. KylieTastic (talk) 10:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

a question about how these Happy Days characters are reated to each other.
how are all these people reataed Richie Cunningham Joanie Cunningham Chuck Cunningham Sean Cunningham KC Cunningham Charles "Chachi" Arcola Mario Mastorelli Annette Mastorelli Rico Mastorelli Marion Cunningham Howard Cunningham Richard "Dick" Cunningham Lori Beth Allen-Cunningham Emily Allen David Allen Richie Cunningham Jr. Louisa Arcola Delvecchio Alfred Delvecchio Ma Delvecchio Arthur Fonzarelli Raymond "Spike" Fonzarelli Angel Fronzarelli Vito Fronzarelli Angelo "Angie" Fonzarelli Grandma NussbaumDfrr (talk) 07:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Perhaps you misunderstand the pupose of the Teahouse. We answer questions about editing Wikipedia. We are not experts in the geneology of the characters of a TV show that went off the air several decades ago. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  08:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't whether this would help, but you could try asking your question on Reference desk/Entertainment. Otherwise a simple Google search might help you resolve it. Cheers-- Chamith  (talk)  08:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Dfrr already asked this question at the ref desks (last month). S/he has now re-asked it at the entertainment desk and has been pointed to our relevant articles and asked for clarification (just like last time, when s/he failed to follow up with a response). Deor (talk) 11:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

How do I change the title of a Wikipedia page
Hello! I created a page for musician Steven Schoenberg and I saved it. But instead on the name "Steven Schoenberg" as the title, it comes up as "User:Hampshire Hipster/sandbox". I must've inadvertently missed a step early in the process and now I simply want to correct the title. I tried typing DISPLAYTITLE into the text, but that didn't work. Please help! -- Hampshire Hipster (talk) 13:40, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Hampshire Hipster and welcome to the Teahouse. Relax, you haven't done anything wrong. :) When you create an article you start in your own sandbox, just like you have done. When you feel that the article is ready, you place the code at the top of the page and thereby submit your draft for review to see if it will get accepted or not. I took a look at your draft and it looks sort of ok, but it needs more work before it is ready for the main space. I have placed some links with tips for you on your talk page, things you can work on while waiting for the draft to be reviewed. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter  <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  14:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all your help W.carter. When you say place the code at the top of the page, do you mean on the page where I would be making edits to the article? Hampshire Hipster (talk) 14:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * You place the code at the top of your sandbox, the page where the article currently is. Btw, remember to sign your posts with the four ~ . Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  14:47, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for all your help W.carter. And when I submit the draft, will the main title be changed or do I have to somehow change it? I have read a lot of these tips while preparing the piece. Are there any particular red flags that I should address regarding the Steven Schoenberg article? I've tried to be really careful... :) Thank you again!! Hampshire Hipster (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I will continue this discussion on your talk page. Let's not clutter up the Teahouse needlessly. ;) <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  15:08, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Is there a way we can have a mentor to support our work?
Hello,

I am one of the coordinators of the Dalit Women's collective called the Dalit History Month Project and we are hosting Dalit Wikipedia edith-athons to encourage more dalit editors throughout wikipedia. We would love to meet other senior editors who would be our collaborators as we are scholars and leaders from throughout South Asia and the world and working to increase the lack of our respresentation on Wikipedia! We have about 30-35 Dalit women around the world who are committed to coming on aboard through our efforts! With your help we can double that in the next month!

Dalithistorymonth (talk) 20:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I am an experienced editor and Teahouse host, and I would be happy to answer questions from participants in your project about Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and editing procedures at any time. Although I am not an expert in Indian history, I do have an interest in helping improve our coverage of Indian topics. Good luck to all of you. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  21:28, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Posting on talk pages.
To post on a talk page(including your own), should I just add a new section to my talk page and post what I would say? Dragonmagicediter (talk) 19:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, Dragonmagicediter, welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you should add a new section to a talk page when you start a new topic there.  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Pictures
How do you make pictures on your account?Ooppss already used (talk) 22:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome! I can tell you two methods (there might be more that I don't know about):

One method is to add a thumbnail. See WP:PIC, which describes the format better than I do.

Another is to create a gallery using the tag. WP:GALLERY has more info on this.

Before you add any pictures, however, make sure the picture(s) you want is acceptable for Wikipedia use; preferably one with a free license. See WP:IUP for detailed documentation.

Hope this makes sense, and hopefully a veteran Wikipedian will add anything important that I forgot to tell you. CabbagePotato (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Oops, my last message didn't turn out the way I thought it would. The box with the "..." in it was supposed to show up as <gallery ></gallery>, and the WP:GALLERY link was supposed to point to Help:Gallery tag (although you can access this link from WP:GALLERY). Hope this makes more sense than my last comment. CabbagePotato (talk) 00:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion?
Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and I am not really familiar with the format for writing articles. One of the articles I just wrote was placed on the Speedy Deletion list even though I did not try to advertise anything, and that makes me feel bad. Is there anyway I can change this? I really want to contribute to the Wiki. Spudipedia (talk) 01:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . Your first version of St. Emily Catholic School was tagged for speedy deletion because it was promotional. Your second version was improperly tagged for not showing context; that tag was removed because the context was clear that it was a school. So it is not currently tagged for deletion. The article, I'm sorry to say, is still not out of trouble, for primary schools are almost never important enough for an article. Ultimately the article will probably be converted to a redirect to the town, parish, or diocese. —teb728 t c 02:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please don't take it personally, even if the article you proposed does get deleted. Wikipedia is a complicated beast, with a lot of rules and procedures, and it takes time - and sometimes disappointment - to learn them. As long as you are obviously working in good faith, nobody should think anything bad about you for trying: one of the fundamental ideas of Wikipedia is to be bold, which sometimes means somebody else will disagree with what you have done. If you are going to create more articles, I strongly suggest that you read your first article, and use the article wizard to create your drafts in a safer place. --ColinFine (talk) 00:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I want to get involved more in editing
I want to be able to add embedded files to articles in the English Wikipedia. Συντάκτης (talk) 04:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I notice that you have twice claimed to be an administrator today on your user page, although you are not. Why did you do that? Please explain precisely what you mean by "embedded files", and why you want to add them to articles? <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  04:46, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

garbled help text
Help:Table has the following paragraph:
 * Here is a more advanced example, showing some more options available for making up tables. Note however that when  is used in sorting, outside of headers, does not work properly anymore.

Second sentence no scan. Structure:
 * Note...that
 * when ...
 * does not work properly anymore.

What does not work properly anymore? I'm guessing that the problem is just an "it" that was lost in cut-and-paste, but I don't know enough about the subject to be sure of that (which is why I was reading that Help page). I was going to post this on the Talk page, but I got the notice
 * Attention
 * Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response or reviewing the Help contents for quick tips.

But since I'm not looking for help on that issue, it seems more appropriate to ask here for someone who is competent to clean that up. To discuss this, please me. --Thnidu (talk) 15:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Thnidu. From a look at the diff adding that text (by DePiep), what it said previously, and from the edit summary, it appears clear that the intent was to say that sorting will not work properly. I've made that change in the text. If I got it wrong, the ping of DePiep in this post is intended as a failsafe. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Adjusted text looks right and makes the sense (without me checking the whole page). If it is not clear, ping me again. -DePiep (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup, makes sense to me. And since (who knows the subject) says it's correct, I think that's done the trick, . Case closed! --Thnidu (talk) 05:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Red wikilinks
I was wondering how come there are so many red wikilinks in this article.Harold Wilson Were they formatted as someone was planning to create them, or were they already there but got deleted?CV9933 (talk) 20:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * , as most of them are related to UK acts of parliament, then I suspect they were deliberately formatted in the expectation that at some point an article will be created. Nthep (talk) 21:23, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks; yes that does seem to be the case I found this Red link which suggests these deliberate links help grow Wikipedia.CV9933 (talk) 10:11, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

A question about deleting "issue notices" after editing
Hi, I'm new and wondering if after addressing "noted issues" at the top of an article, am I supposed to delete the notice? Or is this something that there are specific editors for? Fulkthepheasant (talk) 17:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . If you are fully confident that you have resolved the issue that caused the article to be tagged, go ahead and remove the tag. If, as a new editor, you would like feedback from more experienced editors, feel free to mention specific articles here. No one has the specific job of removing obsolete tags. Every editor should do so when appropriate. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  19:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Cullen,

Thanks. I started out by doing pretty simple stuff, adding citations to people I know something about. I added info and corresponding citations to one article, and two to another. I just don't know if one or two citations is enough to remove the tag for citations altogether. Also, one article had a tag that said the writing was too promotional sounding, so I tried editing that to more sterile language as well. Fulkthepheasant (talk) 19:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Fulkthepheasant, another thing that you can do if you aren't sure if the tag should be removed is to ask the editor who put the tag on the page for an opinion, by posting on that editor's talk page.  You can usually find out who it was by looking at the article's history.  You may get an answer more quickly by posting here at the Teahouse, though, because a lot of editors monitor this forum.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 07:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Anne Delong & Cullen. Fulkthepheasant (talk) 11:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello
Hi, I want to edit on wikipedia, but I'm afraid that if I make an account, it will get hacked into and become blocked. Any help? Thanks, 108.33.159.120 (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia accounts are very rarely hacked, especially not newer ones. If it was, remember Wikipedia keeps no personal information. Suspected hacked accounts are blocked if being used badly, but can be recovered. A good way to protect yourself is with Template:User committed identity. But remember, because accounts take seconds to make, it is rare for them to be hacked. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 12:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello. You can continue to edit Wikipedia without creating an account, but you will get much better security if you create one. Currently all your edits are committed under your IP address, which is pretty bad if you're concerned about privacy. This is hidden if you create an account.
 * If you create an account, and use a strong password, it is practically impossible for your account to be hacked into via password guessing. If you're really concerned about hacking, you can use Template:User committed identity, to ensure you could always "claim back" a compromised account. At present it would be relatively easy for a malevolent character to imitate the 108.33.159.120 IP address.
 * The full benefits of creating an account are listed at Why create an account? --LukeSurlt c 13:00, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Looking to Improve Entries on Schools in Michigan and Indiana
Hello, I am looking to improve upon and better categorize lists and entries for magnet schools, schools of choice, and charter schools in Indiana and Michigan. Is this a project which has already started which I can join? Is there a list of 'easy fix' items which I could start with?

Thanks! (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you ask at WikiProject Schools, where like minded editors congregate. Please read WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines, in particular what not to include before starting any mass edits - many editors add mission statements, admission procedures etc. in good faith, but these will be deleted. - Arjayay (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi WhateverHappenedToBabyJane