Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 343

Format for References
What is the correct format to cite websites as References?

Thanks! WillWillyteatime (talk) 06:43, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi I recommend using Template:Cite web. To easily use it from the edit window, select the "Cite" dropdown at the top, and from the "Templates" dropdown, select "cite web". This will bring up a form where you can fill in details and get the template generated for you. See this image to help you locate it. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 06:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Format?
On Theretra acuta, instead of 'Random article', it says 'Random page' at the side and instead of 'Talk' the Talk page is entitled 'Discussion.' I can't tell if this is only on my computer or whether or not this is a problem. Other articles do not appear to be the same on the whole but I have come across articles like this before. Rubbish computer 11:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't have that problem on that page (just checked), although I had that same problem on a different page a few minutes ago. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Is it worth writing an article?
I am thinking of having a go at writing an article about my Grandfather and the Yachts he designed. The trouble is I don't want to spend loads of time writing the article if it's not going to end up being notable enough. The yachts were designed in the 1930s. One at least won a design competition and was publihsed in the Yachting Monthly magazine. Another one had an hour long TV programme made about it - Boatyard I think it was called. They are also catalogued many times in the Lloyds Register of Shipping Small Craft Section. Is this notable enough? Are the references independent enough? Please advise. Thanks. Siddyboy3.0 (talk) 21:06, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It is hard to determine without actually seeing the sources, but it appears that your grandfather may be notable for Wikipedia. What Wikipedia is looking for is significant coverage about him in independent reliable sources. Here is the notability guideline on people if you think he can fit that, he deserves a Wikipedia article. Winner 42 Talk to me!  21:29, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * (ec) hello and welcome to The Teahouse. I assume Yachting Monthly would be considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. If so, that is a start. I'm not familiar with Lloyds Register but it sounds worthwile. The fact that one of the yachts has an hour-long program about it is another good sign, though depending on how old it is, I'm not sure what we would use to show the program aired or its content. If it was a production by a major network, it might qualify as a reference.


 * But getting past the question of notability and independent sources, you have a conflict of interest and would be discouraged from writing the article yourself. If you could provide independent sources and write with a neutral point of view, which is hard for someone close to the subject, you could try. But use the draft space or the Article wizard. Good luck.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:31, 15 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I might just give it a go and see what happens. I can't remember just now who produced the TV programme but it's been aired on QUEST, Discovery Channel and a few others.

Siddyboy3.0 (talk) 21:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The Lloyd's Register is as reliable as it gets in the maritime world, so give it a go Siddyboy3.0! :) Just holler if you need any help. Cheers, w.carter -Talk  22:11, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks. I knew the Lloyd's name was respected and figured it was related.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:23, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * A problematic conflict of interest exists,, when promoting the topic the editor cares about is more important than improving the encyclopedia. Financial and ideological conflicts of interest are especially problematic. I assume that no one makes much money from promoting 1930s yacht designs, and there are no cult groups or political parties pushing those designs. So any conflict of interest is exceedingly mild - making grandpa look good. Rely on summarizing what reliable sources say, and refrain from inserting any family lore. Admit your connections, as you have already done here, and all will be well. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  01:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


 * @Siddyboy3.0 I think discussing your article ideas with the folks at WP:WikiProject Sailing could probably be very useful. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:41, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

user:levidog101 its worth it righting an articale — Preceding undated comment added 14:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Changed username then forgot it
I recently changed my username but now I forgot what my new one was! Please helpEdit56824 (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you remember what your name was before you changed it? If so, you can find you name change request at Changing username/Archives- don't know an easier way, sorry. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I do remember my old name. Is there any easy way to search on that link you provided?Edit56824 (talk) 19:51, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * There's a search bar at the bottom. If you type in your old username, I guess it'll find the username request you made. Although you do realise that you shouldn't use more than 1 account simultaneously? Joseph2302 (talk) 19:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In most straightforward renames, the old username is redirected to the new one - if you just look up your old userpage, you should find yourself at your new one. Yunshui 雲 水 19:55, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you I did find it. But I realize now that it identifies me. Can I change it again?Edit56824 (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Or link it with this new one I just created?Edit56824 (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Joseph2302 you're right. I would like to link this current account with my old one. I had to create this current one so I could ask the question. I'll keep better track in the future.Edit56824 (talk) 20:08, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You could have just asked it by your IP. 117.207.26.105 (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Shoot. Well I'll know for next time but hopefully it won't happen again. So do you think I should pursue changing my now identifiable username again or try to link it with this new account I created to ask this question?Edit56824 (talk) 20:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The issue is that I had a page I was creating under my old username so I'd like to keep that content.Edit56824 (talk) 20:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * No advice.Edit56824 (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Anyone there?Edit56824 (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Accounts can not be linked. Either stop using this one and rename the old one or start using this one only. btw, we are all volunteers, don't expect an instance response. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!)!
 * The page you created should still be there. Try typing the title into the search bar, and clicking on "Everything" on the search page.  What was the title of the page you were working on?  Howicus (Did I mess up?) 20:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * What on earth are you talking about? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 20:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * When Edit56824 said "The issue is that I had a page I was creating under my old username so I'd like to keep that content.", I assumed they meant that there was a page they started with their old account that they are trying to find. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 20:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

user:levidog101 if you cant remember just start a new wiki page and then write down your new password and username


 * always write down your pass word — Preceding unsigned comment added by Levidog101 (talk • contribs) 14:41, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

problem using sister contents of wikipedia
why cant i use other sister contents of wikipedia like wikibooks,wikitionary,wikinews e.t.cMentalist karan (talk) 15:34, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Mentalist karan - Because, like Wikipedia, these websites can be edited by anyone - so are not reliable sources - Arjayay (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Please do not re-format your question after it has been answered - if you want to ask another question please do so under the reply - Arjayay (talk) 16:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

editing help needed
Hi there! Can you please advise as to what needs to be changed. I felt as though the peacock terms and opinions were removed and left only factual information. If you could give me sine examples of structure that needs to be corrected, I would be so very grateful. Thank you!

Teamwesley (talk) 22:02, 15 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teamwesley (talk • contribs)
 * Hello, . It would be helpful if you would tell us which article you were talking about, but I presume it's Draft:August Wesley (wrestler). I haven't looked very far through it, but from the beginning:
 * The first sentence "August Germaine Wesley, born the 2nd oldest of 7 (Linda, Veronica, Nina, Nefertari, Junior and Olympia) on May 21, 1972." isn't a sentence, as it doesn't have a main verb. The list of his siblings doesn't belong in the lead (too much detail) and isn't referenced.
 * "with an illustrious career" is evaluative, not neutral, and should never appear in any Wikipedia article unless it references a reliable source, independent of the subject, which says that the subject's career is illustrious.
 * I don't know whether the source you cite says that "he was honored" when he was selected, or just that he was selected; if it doesn't say he was honored, then the article shouldn't say so (and I'm not sure that it should say so even if the source does).
 * The first paragraph of "Early years" is about his own view of his story. That is acceptable, (though a description by an independent source would be better). but still needs to be cited to a reliable source (but it could be a non-independent source as long as it is saying that this is what he says about his early years)
 * "Little did he know that ... " is hardly ever appropriate for an encyclopaedia.
 * These are only a few points, but I hope they give you an idea of what's needed. One other point: you have plenty of references (good!) but none of then has a URL. It is not required that references be available on line, but it's a lot easier for reviewers to check them if they are. I guess (though I might be wrong) that quite a few of these are online, and it would help your article to be accepted if you made it easier for reviewers by providing the links. You could also used 'named references' to avoid repeating them when you use the same source more than once: see referencing for beginners. Good luck! --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

How to propose a merge and history merge
On Badi al-Zaaman Abu al-Izz Ismaeel ibn al-Razzaz al-Jazari and al-Jazari, these articles appear to be about the same person. How do you propose a merge and a history merge? Rubbish computer 13:55, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi This is a pretty obvious case, so I would say that you can be bold and just go ahead and perform the merge yourself. You'd follow the instructions at WP:PROMERGE. That being said, I really don't see any content from the shorter article that's not already better covered in the longer article - if you agree, I'd suggest simply redirecting Badi al-Zaaman Abu al-Izz Ismaeel ibn al-Razzaz al-Jazari to al-Jazari. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 17:02, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I will do this. Rubbish computer 17:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:Disrupt
Where do you report a user for disruptive editing TeaLover1996 (talk)  12:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, we hope to help you with this editing problem. The first thing that needs to be done is that the editor who is performing disruptive edits has to be warned on their talk page.  I suggest that you include examples of what was disruptive.  Editor-to-editor contact and discussion is always the best first step, an administrator will be more likely to assist in the problem if you have already tried to resolve it yourself.  If this doesn't completely answer your question, please come back to the Teahouse for more help.  Best Regards,
 *  Bfpage &#124;leave a message 12:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I need to know where to report someone in case I need to <b style="font-family:tahoma"><b style="color:green">Tea</b><b style="color:blue">Lover</b><b style="color:red">1996</b> (talk) </b> 14:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * @TeaLover1996 WP:RVAN is usually the best place to report vandals, but you must have warned the editor enough times (usually around four is good). Once you report, an administrator will review the report and decide whether the vandalism is severe enough for a block. Hope this helps! Cheers Katniss  ♥  18:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

how to start a wikipage
I am new to creating a wikipage. How do I start, create, a page?Kurlywillows (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Writing an article from scratch (please think of it as an article, not a "page", as it will help get you in the right mindset for what we do here) is not the easiest thing to do, as there are a lot of rules and policies you must follow; so my advice would be to get some experience editing existing articles first. But if you want to go ahead, I would strongly advise reading your first article and then using the article wizard, which will help you create a draft where you can work on it without it being immediately subject to deletion if it doesn't meet all the criteria. General things to think about are the fact that every single statement in your article should be individually referenced to a published reliable source, and nearly all of it to sources unconnected with the subject. If you can't find any substantial writing about the subject by people unconnected with it, then it will probably be impossible to write an article that will be accepted. Another thing to beware of is that if you have any connection with the subject (eg yourself, your friend, your relative, your company, your band, your charity) then you are discouraged from writing about it because it may be hard for you to write in a suitably neutral way: see COI if that is the case.
 * After all that, I hope you can contribute, and enjoy doing so. --ColinFine (talk) 20:24, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Getting reported for no reason
I have been warned by Ukvoltaire123 for a small edit that I did. It was just a small change on some numbers and yes it was exact same place I edit and he/she warned but he/she accuse me for something I didnt do. And says he/she will report me if I continue. I'm really confused and I never get reported before so please help me. Paleocemoski (talk) 17:28, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you've done nothing wrong and you have not been reported. I'm not entirely sure what is trying to say through their broken english, but it appears they are attempting to troll you.  They have already been blocked in the past and I have reported them to administrators. Winner 42  Talk to me!  17:35, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * What s/he said is you must not add info without reference. That user is somewhat correct. Don't worry. As per BOLD, you have not done anything wrong. But, have a look at his/her talk page. That user has blanked several pages, and was indulged in vandalism. Well, well. Please do read You don't need to cite that the sky is blue and WP:NOTBLUE as well. I don't feel your edit was harmful. I consider this as personal attack. Though of moderate level, but, I would prefer letting an admin know. 117.212.138.199 (talk) 17:41, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Well I usually don't add info without reference but I just write the total episode number, which it is something that I counted. But probably I should put references even in that. Please correct me if Im wrong.Paleocemoski (talk) 17:52, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Generally sources are useful, adding a reference to where you having a listing of the episodes would be sufficient. Winner 42 Talk to me!  21:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The user has been reported by Winner 42, and I have left a message at that user's talk. But, have a look at his/her talk page. I would advice you to stay away from that user. Very mischievous user. Call it peacock term but that user doesn't behave friendly. 117.212.138.199 (talk) 17:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Help Me
I created an article of a notable person. "Mike Bleed Da BlockStarr" because he was on Wiki. I may did a few things incorrectly so if anyone can be of some assistance in editing the article so it will not be deleted, it would be of great appreciation. The information in the write up is all facts & can be searched in many sources. Such as Nola.com, allmovies.com, iHeartRadio.com, IMDb.com, mikebleed.com, among others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blockstarrinc (talk • contribs) 21:14, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, Blockstarrinc, and welcome to the Teahouse. What is needed in this article are reliable sources that demonstrate that this musician is notable. Also, you need to add these sources to the article yourself, otherwise the article will probably be speedy deleted. Everymorning   talk  22:34, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And,, note that "notable" in Wikipedialand doesn't mean important, or famous, or popular, or influential: in most cases it only means that several people unconnected with the subject have decided to write about him and had their writing published in reliable places (which doesn't include user-generated sites like iMDB. I don't know about the other sites you mention). --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Use of images
I have a short question that I have been wondering about for ages. I know you can use any image from the wiki-commons but wondered, how and what is needed to upload an image. I also wondered if you can use any image from a website such as shuuterstock, if I gave the reference. thanks Wrightie99 (talk) 20:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In general you can only upload images that you own and have the copyright to so you can't upload images from shutterstock as they would be owned by someone else. You can use the wizard here if you would like to try it out. Winner 42 Talk to me!  21:27, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . Commons only accepts images that are free: either public domain (for example by being old enough) or explicitly release under a suitable Creative commons licence. As says, the easiest way to do this is if you own the copyright; but if the owner is willing to licence it they can follow the procedure in donating copyright materials and then you can upload it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Adding to the above answers: Welcome to the Teahouse, . If you take a photo of anything which is not itself copyrighted, then you hold the copyright, and you can freely license your photo under an acceptable Creative Commons license. I am not familiar with Shutterstock, but you can only upload other people's photos if they are properly freely licensed as indicated clearly on the website. Flickr gives people the option of specifying a license acceptable to Wikimedia Commons, but you have to check the specific license carefully, since a license that excludes commercial re-use is not acceptable. Copyright has expired on photos published before 1923, and work photos by employees of the U.S. Federal government are free of copyright. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  22:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I just visited the Shutterstock website and read their license language. I feel highly confident in saying that the Shuttertock license is not a Creative Commons license. Shutterstock is a commercial business. Customers pay them for limited rights to use a photo and they pay the photographer 25 cents per download. Freely sharing their photos is not allowed. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Redirect/disambiguation question
This may not be the right place to ask this, as it is a very specific question and I'm not a new user - please direct me to a better forum if you know of one. I have a question about dealing with redirects and disambiguation of biologically-synonymous terms. I would like to (one day) create a page for Ellisia nyctelea, a small plant that I am fond of. However, to ensure it is not an orphan, I would also like to create a page for its genus, Ellisia. You'll notice that link is blue... that's because it is a synonym for Sertularella, a genus of hydroids, and the page redirects there. How would I go about creating a page for the plant genus (a currently accepted taxon in the Hydrophylloideae, so I figure it would get preference), while making sure the hydroid synonymy is respected as well? Disambiguation confuses me to no end and I don't even know where to start with this. Thanks! Antepenultimate (talk) 01:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally I would replace the redirect with your article, then at the top use a hatnote to link to the other article. I would suggest either or  for this use. Something like  EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 01:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That seems like a simple solution that is very doable. Thanks for the quick reply! Antepenultimate (talk) 02:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Is this new article ready?
Might as well call this my first article... I've created my sandbox, and a sub page for a new article on SCIM (System for Cross-domain Identity Management).

There is actually already a stub for this, here. My article is here.

Should I solicit feedback first, or sign-off from anyone, or just go ahead and update it with my longer version?

Justapersona (talk) 01:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome! Given the quality and references in your version, I would recommend simply putting your version into the stub as it is undeniably better. Use an edit summary that links your sandbox such as . EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Discography and citations
Hi, 1. The second line of my discography is in a box and I don't know why. How do I eliminate this? 2. I need to use quotation marks in my citations. How do I get those? Rayneet (talk) 02:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Page is User:Rayneet/sandbox. I have fixed the boxes in this edit. Any line starting with a space will be in a box. Your references appear malformed. I suggest using Cite web to help you. This is easily accessed in your edit toolbar as shown in the image to the left. It is under the Cite menu, then Templates, then Cite web. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Reference
Sorry,I forgot where to find the answer: How exactly do I refer to a page of a wiki article written in another language? Thanks in anticipation LouisBB (talk) 08:23, 18 May 2015 (UTC) Rather than retyping the advice, which is quite long, please see Help:Interlanguage links - if you still have any specific problems, please come back - Arjayay (talk) 08:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi LouisBB
 * To create a wikilink to different-language Wikipedia (or another Wikimedia project) see Help:Interwiki linking - basically, you prefix your link with the appropriate language or project code. To link an article on en-wiki to an article about the same subject on another Wikipedia, go to Languages in the right-hand menu and choose "Edit links", then just fill in the relevant boxes. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 08:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

What would be the appropriate venue to discuss or dispute an arbcom decision?
Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement resulting in the ruling that users with fewer than 500 edits/30 days should not/cannot edit Gamergate controversy or Talk:Gamergate controversy. Given that the discussion is closed and users with less than 500 edits can't/shouldn't edit the talk page, where should one discuss it? Do I need to open a request that the block be rescinded? Making such a request so soon after the decision was made (less than twelve hours at time of post) feels more than a bit bad-faith to me, but I can't find a good place to discuss this. Thanks, Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 23:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * My advice was that if this relates to series issues involving a living person take it up at WP:BLP/N; otherwise leave it well alone. Another option would be to find 500 spelling mistakes... Stuartyeates (talk) 00:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advice; I think you may have misunderstood what I'm upset about, though. I'm more interested in the meta-discussion as to whether limiting access to the talk page is a) beneficial to the core goals of Wikipedia, b) conducive with the "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." mantra (though that thing has been degraded so much in the last decade that I'm not sure it should still be our tagline), c) an effective method of limiting edit-warring on the respective page, d) looks good to outsiders, e) looks good to insiders, and about a dozen other gripes. Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 00:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * One thing to remember, it isn't as though such decisions are made out-of-the-blue, with no preceding events, as though arbcom randomly picks an article talk page and says "Nope, you can't edit it!". Unfortunately, there's a long history of a coordinated, off-Wikipedia attack on that talk page, and the only way to keep it under control was to shut it down to new users.  If there is anyone to blame, it isn't arbcom, it's those who sought to disrupt Wikipedia for their own political or social reasons.  You shouldn't bother ArbCom about this, you should bother THEM and tell them they shouldn't have been so obnoxious.  Yes, it does prevent otherwise good-faith new editors from contributing, but they couldn't do that anyways, given the attacks on the page in question.  This stops the problem.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 00:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But where would I discuss this; the Teahouse doesn't seem like a good place to get into a protracted argument on the philosophy of wikipedia governance. Surely there is some place where wikipedians could Wikipedia policy. The unusual nature of the decision precludes the talkpage of the relevant article as a realistic discussion venue, and I'm not well-versed enough in the multitudinous nature of community organization on wikipedia to know of an appropriate page, talk or otherwise, to start such a debate. I don't want to shit up the wrong place. Looking around some, perhaps WP:RFC is the correct place? Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 00:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking further, RFC is definitely not the right place, as procedure there is to link right back to a talk page, which is impractical here for obvious reasons. Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 00:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * General discussions often go on at WP:VPM. Maybe there?  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 00:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems like as good a place as any. Thank you for the help! Riffraffselbow (talk) (contribs) 00:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

If you want to challenge an ArbCom decision, I would suggest you do so at WP:ARCA; this is the only venue where amendments can be tabled to ArbCom decisions. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 08:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Latest sumbission-can't find John's reply
I have received an email to let me know John from Idegon has responded to my question but I can't find it in the teahouse. Could you please show me where to find it. I have looked everywhere.. Thank you. Maplepond (talk) 07:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Maplepond - It is currently about 10 up from the bottom of this page Teahouse/Questions - Arjayay (talk) 08:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Why there is lack of arts related items?
One issue for wikipedia volunteers si that why there are not arts (specifically design)related terms and their explanations? For example, what does "framing", "rhythm", or "multimodality" mean in design? Cindyruoyu (talk) 16:23, 18 May 2015 (UTC) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, so we don't normally define terms, please try Wiktionary We do have an entire article on Framing (visual arts) and one on multimodality that mentions design 8 times - although I admit rhythm is almost totally about music - whereas it is also a very important term in architecture and other forms of design. Why are there no such articles? - because no-one has written them - so this is your opportunity.... - Arjayay (talk) 18:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Cindyruoyu your question "what does "framing", "rhythm", or "multimodality" mean in design?" almost reads like a homework question??
 * Hi Cindyruoyu—Wabi-sabi is an interesting term. I think it relates to design. There are of course many others. And then there is an art movement called Pattern and Decoration, which I think is design-oriented. I share your interest in arts-related terms. There is also Painterliness, Tonalism, Monochrome painting, Hard-edge painting, Bokeh, All-over painting, and Minimalism. These are in no particular order. They are just a few of my favorite articles which loosely fall into the category of arts-related terms. Bus stop (talk) 18:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

==I'm trying to create my first page and am having difficulty getting it approved in the final stages - what does it mean when someone says: 'More coverage would be nice'? The page is on an entrepreneur called Alastair Lukies.== I'm trying to create my first page and am having difficulty getting it approved in the final stages - what does it mean when someone says: 'More coverage would be nice'? The page is on an entrepreneur called Alastair Lukies.

The process is so difficult, it's actually quite off putting I'm finding. I would love to keep contributing but unsure where I'm going wrong on this one.

Tidswesa (talk) 16:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the teahouse...what they mean is more sources by third parties.

See
 * You may also want to read over Tutorial/Citing sources -- Moxy (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Link to the draft article: Draft:Alastair Lukies &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 19:21, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Seeking opinion on a draft article
I'm writing an article on a music app that was released last fall called Auxy-- I'd like to know if I'm going in the right direction with it so far; haven't gotten any response in some WikiProject venues when I last asked for input, so I decided I'd try here. Here is what I've got right now in my sandbox, so a perusal by someone who either has some knowledge wrt writing app/software articles or even a layperson on the subject with an eye for NPOV and general article quality things would be great. Thanks, BlusterBlasterkablooie! 18:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * hello and welcome to The Teahouse. Just from a quick look, the article looks better than a lot of drafts I've seen. It could use more detail but I think there's enough there for it to pass. However, the lead is longer than the rest of the article, when the lead should merely summarize what the article says. Ideally, it shouldn't have references, but the common name of the product appears to need a reference and I've seen that done in the first sentence. I'm not familiar with the sources but there appear to be at least some that meet the standards.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input-- a lot of the structure and citing choices were based on WP:NSOFT and the MacPaint GA, so the structure is indeed a bit weird in comparison to the average article. I'll wait for a bit to see if anyone else chimes in, and from there I might give it a toss into AfC.

Thanks
A very big THANK YOU to Fougettaboutit for fixing the problems in my sandbox. I really appreciate it.Rayneet (talk) 04:45, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright just ignore my cleanup... -_- EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 05:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi If you wish to thank an editor, it's often a great idea to do so on their talk page. If you think their work is exceptional, you can also consider giving them a barnstar. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 21:30, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Anya Camilleri—Should I Revert?
On 17 April 2015‎, User:82.55.186.169 removed age and place of residence, along with the references for both of those facts from the article Anya Camilleri. There was no edit summary left for either of those removals. These are the only edits that have been made on Wikipedia by that IP address. Ordinarily, I would just revert, but looking at the IP address, it seems to originate in central Italy (and possibly from Ms. Camilleri's office or residence?). Is their some BLP reason for me not to revert? I asked this on the talk page about a month ago, but have seen no response from User:82.55.186.169. Carl Henderson (talk) 06:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If the IP gave no reason for the revert and has not responded, then yes you should revert the edit as it is removal of sourced material. Where the IP is located shouldn't matter in any BLP situation unless they specifically are requesting removal of information on the talk page. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 06:07, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You will need reliable sources. The reference for her age doesn't give her age (probably did once but isn't archived anywhere). The reference for her house has been changed and no longer has the information that she wrote and signed there, but the page is available archived at http://web.archive.org/web/20121218233708/http://www.romizivillasinumbria.com/works.html. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The reference I gave for her date of birth on my last revision Company Check lists "Year of Birth: 1961". The other reference Our Renovation Works seems active, too. I just checked both in a browser I don't normally use and forced reloads to clear any cached content. I can't figure out why those are not showing up for you. Carl Henderson (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

peer reviewed journal citations
Hi, The person I'm creating a Wikipedia page is a little flustered because she doesn't understand why the Peer reviewed journals that her work has been published in doesn't meet notability guidelines. She feels (like others I think) that you can't get much more notable than that. Her book has been published, but she wants her Wiki bio in place before she she launches it in three months. Any advice?v Chrisking1977 (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. Have you looked at our relevant notability guidelines - WP:NACADEMICS and WP:AUTHOR? Also, please be aware that Wikipedia is not the place to promote oneself and have a look at our conflict of interest guidelines. It would help if you told us the subject's name so we can further advise you. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 22:00, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi NeilN, Thank you very much for replying. Yes I've carefully reviewed the notability guidelines several times. And I know what you mean about self-promotion. I probably shouldn't have mentioned that as it is secondary to the fact that this author quite notable in all respects.

My friend (the subject of the entry) has a lot of work has been rigorously reviewed in peer reviewed journals. So I think maybe I"m going about this the wrong way. I was wondering if you could suggest what kind of citations should be used here, and for what kind of facts. The article is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Feminine_Capital

Chrisking1977 (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Let's clarify this a bit. An article can only have one topic. The subject of the article you're linking to is the book, not your friend, so the notability requirements are different and listed at WP:NBOOK. So basically what we're looking for is published in-depth reviews of that specific book. The authors may be notable but that doesn't mean the book is. Each article (subject) must be notable in its own right. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW, I see that the book's website has a reviews page. These are blurbs and not the kind of in-depth reviews we're looking for. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you Neil. That's very valuable feedback. Sorry if I was unclear about the type of content. Chrisking1977 (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Purging
I need to purge an article; how do I actually do it? I have previously asked what "purge" is so I know what it is. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey DangerousJXD. Navigate to the page, click edit at the top of the page (not a section edit link). In your browser you will see a url like <tt> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masako_Katsura& action= edit </tt> Change the word edit (that I've underlined at the end) to <tt>purge</tt> and hit return. Done. See also Purge. By the way, if you go to Special:Preferences and scroll down to Appearance section, you'll see one of the options you can tick says "Add a clock in the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC (which also provides a link to purge the current page)." Once you have this you will always have a clock in UTC which may be very helpful if you have your other time preferences set to an offset, and allows you to purge any page just by clicking on the clock. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. —DangerousJXD (talk) 23:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I would recommend enabling the purge gadget at Special:Preferences → Appearance. This adds a little link in the more dropdown menu for you to purge the article easily. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 01:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I've written content on many existing articles but...
I've written content on many existing articles but how do I submit my sandbox as a new article? For review and such... Its just a stub. Bobmodikiw (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Add to the top of the sandbox page. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You do not need to submit it as a new article. Once you finish your editing, you can just submit it and search for the item or article. The new page appearing would show your contributions. Cindyruoyu (talk) 02:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * See your talk page. Thanks EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Newbie needs an invite
Hi. Can one of the Teahouse regulars leave a talk page invitation for this guy: User talk:Vlmh? He's made a handful of edits since late 2014, but has had no talk page communication with anyone before today. I had to revert several of his recent edits because he was inadvertently breaking pipe links, and I left a corrective/explanatory message on his virgin user talk page -- admittedly not the most welcoming first message for a potentially productive new editor. I would be grateful if someone would leave a friendly Teahouse message for him. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ in the future, the Teahouse works in reverse and new sections go at the top. The blue button in the header does that automatically. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 03:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Duly noted.  I did find and use the "blue button" after searching in vain for the "new section" tab.  Not sure how my comment found its way to the bottom of the stack.  It's a mystery.  Thanks for your quick response on the welcome message for Vlmh.  Cheers.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Book Notability "Published Works" Question
The notability guidelines for books state: "The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself," with the explanation, ""Non-trivial" excludes personal websites, blogs, bulletin boards, Usenet posts, wikis and other media that are not themselves reliable."

My question is, are Book Reviews from reputable sites and reviewers sufficient to make a new book article, and/or article for its author? The two specifically for my case are by a famous author at SFBook.com and from a professional reviewer at Lesbrary.com. Both sites are quite reputable and reliable.

174.24.38.211 (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The first website you mentioned is self-published and incidentally, riddled with glaring typographical errors. The second one is self-identified as a blog. So, I have to disagree with you. Neither is a reliable source, in my opinion. We are looking for sources with professional editorial control and a good reputation for accuracy, fact checking and correcting errors. These websites, in my opinion, do not meet that standard. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Understood, thank you for your reply, I'll not make the new page. 174.24.38.211 (talk) 06:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Little cleanup help please - screwup at AfD
Eek. I just seem to have made a certain amount of mess at Articles_for_deletion/Log/2015_May_18, by listing an AfD for Access intelligence and then unwisely doing a move of the AfD page (Articles_for_deletion/Access_intelligence). Link seems to be correct now, but the entry in the log has failed to process correctly and now is glued to the bottom of the "Persona 3 The Movie: No. 4, Last Episode" entry, w/o a heading. Can't see how to rectify it. Can some savvy person fix it please? Cheers! -- Elmidae (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Fixed in this edit. Make sure to follow WP:AFDHOWTO next time, or the a lot easier way use WP:Twinkle. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 19:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Cheers! Apparently following WP:AFDHOWTO with additional stupid little flourishes is not indicated :p ---Elmidae (talk) 07:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

When is the proper time to insert a non-free image in an article?
As I mentioned in my guest profile, I've been a Wikipedian for more than 9 years now. So, I figure it's time I learned to do things correctly.

I'm in the process of developing several articles. Some I've written as userspace drafts;one currently resides in the Draft namespace. When I've uploaded a non-free image for use in my drafts, it has either been deleted or, preferably, commented out.

So, when is it proper to insert a non-free image into an article, assuming all other criteria have been met for using a non-free image? MikeylitoTALK 00:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Mikeylito. Non-free content may be used only in article namespace—not in draft namespace or in userspace drafts. So the correct time is when the draft is moved to article space. —teb728 t c 00:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi . As TEB278 points out, non-free images are not allowed to be used in the userspace per WP:NFCC. I believe, however, that you may link to an image if you like so that the link acts as some sort of place holder until your article is ready for the mainspace. This is easily done by adding a colon before "File" name like this File:file name . This will create a wikilink to the file's Wikipedia page. Once your article has been added to the mainspace, simply remove the colon and the wikilink will be replaced by the actual image. One last thing, make sure the image satisfies all 10 criteria for non-free use specified in WP:NFCCP. The one people seem to forget the most when adding non-free images to articles is the "separate specific non-free use rationale" required per WP:NFCC. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both and, especially,  for your responses. Indeed, I was aware that all other criteria for non-free images needed to be met.  In fact, I put the use rationale for the userdraft articles in the image's description, but clearly that was insufficient. However, the edit tip you gave,, is a quick method of developing an article with the least amount of bother while still being able to "see" the article as it should finally be presented.

MikeylitoTALK 02:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC) MikeylitoTALK 02:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm going to test it out with the article in the Draft namespace as that's the article most ready to go. However, I'm going to check some other places to make sure a violation isn't being caused elsewhere.  Thanks!
 * Just a quick addendum. After a quick test, I prefer to edit out the reference to the non-free image and then implement it when (and if) when the draft is moved to Article namespace. Thanks for the responses.
 * and . Actually a non-free file is not supposed to be hosted on Wikipedia unless it is used in at least one article. So the :File: workaround does not work unless the file is used in another article or unless the idea is to create a red link to a file that has not yet been uploaded (or unless you are relying on the fact that it takes several days to delete an orphan non-free file). —teb728 t c 06:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right . I was basing my suggestion on the assumption that the non-free file being discussed above had already been uploaded and was being used in another article. I should have been clearer about that when I mentioned wikilinking because all you will get is a red link if no such file yet exists. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:53, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Link I added was informative with proof
My link was removed and stated that it is not adding anything, but if you read the Wiki Page, my link is adding much more information then the actual one.175.100.147.62 (talk) 07:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Which article and what link are you talking about? The edit is not showing up in your contributions for your current IP, you must have made that edit from an account or a different IP. Please let us know what edit or article you're talking about. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 09:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

How do I handle this situation since I'm not an administrator?
In a biography of a living person, there was a link to the website "beenverified.com". I interpreted that link as an advert|affiliate link and deleted it noting that it was an advert. In the normal course of editing Wikipedia, I've noticed that the link has been re-inserted,

I'm not one to get into edit wars; so what's the correct procedure for handling this? The article in question is Ryan Ruocco and is one of only four on all of Wikipedia referencing that site.

MikeylitoTALK 07:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Looks like it has been removed again by another editor. But, if that hadn't happened, you would've needed to either explain on the article's talk page why that link shouldn't be used, and/or posted on the reliable sources noticeboard asking for confirmation that that link shouldn't be used (so a consensus would be formed, and any editor wanting to add that link back would have to join the discussion instead of adding the link back). — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 09:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar
Am I eligible for any medal ? This is my statistics https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Svpnikhil&project=en.wikipedia.org. If you denied too I can accept it.Svpnikhil (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Barnstars are a way of users thanking each other for their efforts. They aren't obligatory and many users ignore them and don't award them or receive them.  The one area you can award something to yourself are the awards listed at Service awards if you think you are eligible for one or more of those go ahead and add them to your user page. Nthep (talk) 15:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Proper attribution for an article.
This is more of a point of information than a question. Your footnote No. 3 on the Dave Hakstol entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hakstol ) notes that it comes from Frank Seravalli via Philly.com and the Philadelphia Inquirer. Please note that Frank Seravalli is a Philadelphia Daily News staffer (as am I). Philly.com shares web space with the Daily News and Inquirer, and you shouldn't automatically default to the Inquirer when citing sources via Philly.com. Thanks 71.168.221.244 (talk) 14:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Point taken and amended. If you find other instances you can edit those articles for yourself to correct the misunderstanding. Nthep (talk) 15:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Image License
I have tried unsuccessfully to upload an image for Amanda Oleander, but for various reasons there are issues with licesne. How will I obtain one if the image is available from a web site such as New York Magazine, or even from Ms. Oleander herself? If I take a screenshot from my phone and use that instead, will that require a license?

Thank you very much.

Org0198 (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In order for an image to be correctly licensed, the copyright holder (which is USUALLY the photographer themselves, or the organization which pays them, but may be someone entirely different depending on contracts and the like) must explicitly license the image to be compatible with Wikipedia's own copyleft license, which is CC-BY-SA. Many professional photographers and organizations do not necessarily want to do this, as this allows any and all downstream users to reproduce or modify the work without limit, as long as they attribute the initial copyright holder.  If, however, they wish to do so, they have two options 1) If the picture has never been published anywhere before, it can be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons, which is the media repository for all Wikimedia sites, including Wikipedia.  2) If it has previously been published, they can still release it under CC-BY-SA, instructions for doing so are at Donating copyrighted materials.  Note: under normal circumstances, images you find on other websites are not eligible for use at Wikipedia, as their copyright is held by the original publisher or photographer, who has often retained full copyright privileges.  This includes publications such as New York Magazine, so you cannot upload such pictures here.  Also, while Ms. Oleander may own copies of pictures taken of her, copyrights on professional photographs are often still held by the photographer, and their use is still restricted.  I hope all of this helps.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 16:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

What does patrolled mean?
I’ve read the Wikipedia page for ‘patrolled’ 3 times, a little worried bout what it means. Patrol-abilty is reserved for the higher echelon of Wikipedia. I understand it’s an administrate tool that prevents ‘patrollers’ from visiting a page more than once as it marks on some level ‘patrolled’, and these patrollers are looking for vandalism. What else are these patrollers looking to find? Is patrolling random and TAG I’m it? Bobmodikiw (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Bobmodikiw. A page that has been patrolled is one that (ideally) a person has checked for problems, performed whatever task is needed to address them (such as nominated it for speedy deletion; flagged for maintenance [e.g., "this article is not written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article..."; this article is an orphan..., etc.] moved to a new name in conformity with article titles and a million other possibilities) and then marked as patrolled to indicate, in effect "I've already looked at this page so no one else needs to". If someone marked a page you created as patrolled, and did not make any changes to it, then you can take that as the person having checked, and indicated to everyone else, "everything is okay here". Patrolling is often not completely random. For example, it's often done to brand new pages in the article mainspace, as they show up at the Special:NewPages feed by new pages patrollers who are our first line of defense against the raging firehose of crap (with a few diamonds in the mix), that is constantly coming our way. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Writing about a book thats beneficial for the public and the environment
Dear Friends in Teahouse!

I read a book about two people from Melbourne who cycled to meet, interview and explore different people simpler living styles reducing, recylcing and reusing. I am a Singaporean citizen and an Australian permanent resident.

However I am working in China for couple of years now. I thought this was a great book that had the chance of finding main stream interest in Asia where many of these ideas need some attention. Also because its written in an easy to read manner and talks about a cycling adventure.

I am new to wiki and I wrote an initial first paragraph and it has been turned down twice. I dont want to give up because I think its worth the trouble. Can anyone please offer me some tips or ideas on how I can overcome this obstacle?

Thanks a million!

J.Raavenan (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi J.Raavenan. I am sorry to say that it does not help if a subject is beneficial. What is required is that a subject is notable (in the sense that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources) and that the article is written from a neutral point of view. Your draft was rejected because it was not neutral. —teb728 t c 01:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright. I will focus on the neutrality of the article and re-submit quoting a few reliable neutral sources.

J.Raavenan (talk) 22:27, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

BLPs and age
So I've been helping out with a BLP article on an American Idol contestant, Quentin Alexander. I have a question about how ages are supposed to be formatted when we don't have a source on his exact birthdate, but we have a source for how old he is. One editor has objected to me removing it entirely, but I'm wondering if using a date-retroactive template that gives a vague 21-22 range is necessary if we don't have his exact birthdate-- my idea for handling it was just to type 21 in plaintext in the lead, until we've got a source for his birthdate. Is there a MOS precedent for this sort of thing? BlusterBlasterkablooie! 23:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey BlusterBlaster. At Manual of Style/Dates and numbers, they do not suggest providing an age but rather alternative birth years: "(born 1912 or 1913)". Does that work for you? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll propose your suggestion on the article talkpage to open discussion in case there's objection, but I'll be bold and put it in the article as well. Thank you! BlusterBlasterkablooie! 23:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Anytime!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

How to find pages that need more citations or edits so I can start editing and helping out the community?
Hello - Love the teahouse. I did some tutorials on WIkipedia and learned a lot. I found this page that shows a few pages that need editing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal/Opentask. However, is there another way to find pages in a specific niche that need editing. I am asking, because I am knowledge in the tech niche so I can help edit articles/citations/wrong information much better for that niche!

Any help is appreciated! Kingoptimizer (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi You might be interested in WikiProjects, which are groups of editors that have a similar interest in a topic area. For example, if you're into software, you might check out WikiProject Software and consider joining. If you look at the 'Project Articles' section, you'll see a summary of articles by quality; if you look at the stub articles, you'll find many short articles that probably need expanding or references. Further down the page, you'll find a to-do list with articles that also need help.
 * Each WikiProject is independent and runs differently, so not all might have a to-do list - but as far as I've seen, most do have a list of project articles sorted by quality. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 19:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you! User:SuperHamster. I think I have a new addiction now! Editing Wikipedia.. Thanks for your help - how can I boost your reputation or make you a friend or something? :-) Want to make sure that people know your a great user!! :-)Kingoptimizer (talk) 20:14, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem Kingoptimizer, happy to help. Alas, there's no reputation to boost or built-in friend feature :) See you around! ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 02:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But you could choose aBarnstar and leave it on 's user talk page if you wanted, . --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you! ColinFine. I will do just that! :-)Kingoptimizer (talk) 03:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)