Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 384

user notification
Hello, I'm wondering about what happens when I type user:username. If I place the user name in brackets on someone's talk page, I understand that user will be notified on the messages alert next to the username in the top center left of the screen. If I use the bracketed user:username somewhere else does it also notify the user? When should I include the syntax "u s e r :" in front of the user's name, and when is this not necessary, and finally what is the difference between using the "ping" command vs. just including the username in brackets with the user: preface? ``Cityside189 (talk) 14:00, 5 September 2015 (UTC) "A number of templates are used for this -, , and  - will all trigger notifications. Plain links to user pages will also work: User:Example." For the full explanation please see Notifications - but please note these do not work for IPs only registered accounts, and you must sign the post containing the notification when it is first saved, it does not work if you forget and go back and sign it later. - Arjayay (talk) 14:55, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Cityside189
 * as a caveat, those will all trigger notifications if used within the technical specifications. The username has to be spelled exactly as the actual user's name (correct spacing and caps) AND the template is saved in the same save as a fresh signature. If you misspell and save, it will not ping. If you go back and correct the spelling and do not add a fresh signature, it will not ping. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  15:30, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no reason to use it when you post to a user's own talk page. An edit to their talk page already gives a bigger notification. The basic form is user:username ("user" is case insensitive), but it can be added by a template instead of directly. The English Wikipedia has many templates which does this, for example . If you use square wikilink brackets and not a template then "user:" must always be included. Templates for the purpose add "user:" so it must be omitted when those templates are used. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all the replies. So just making an any sort of edit on their talk page notifies that user.  FWIW, my observation is that the number of keystrokes required to notify a user is the same in user:username vs.  .  Is there a common courtesy or civility that would suggest the use of the former vs. the latter?    --Cityside189 (talk) 17:09, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a civility or etiquette issue at all, but is just dependent on what makes sense in the context, what is convenient, and of course what a user is accustomed to. Note that the ping template's output is not the same as just using a linked username (though   is), so the number of keystrokes comparison may not be applicable. If I wanted to start this post with "hi Cityside189"... and ping you at the same time by linking "Cityside189" to your userpage it would not make sense to use the //etc. template because it formats as @Cityside189, and "hi at Cityside189" does not parse. So I would use "hi  Cityside189 " instead. But I could alternatively  use "hi   ", and that would save me the time of typing out " Cityside189 " even though the result is identical (at least in read mode). On the other hand, there's often no need whatever for me to actually type that, because I can just copy the userpage link code from your signature if I'm responding to a pre-existing post (and the person has a compliant signature code); copy and paste is actually much faster than typing anything, at least for me. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Imagemap
Hey guys, I need help figuring out how to use an imagemap, specifically, this one. The size of each box is either too big, too small, or is't centered in the right place. I really need help on this. By the way, does it matter if I shrink or stretch it, or does it just use the original dimensions?

Appreciate it, thanks! Dunkleosteus77  (push to talk)  20:36, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Dunkleosteus77. mw:Extension:ImageMap lists graphic tools which can help but I don't know them and this was a simple 3x3 grid of a 1024x768 image so I just divided the sides by 3 to hit the whole photos, and made this by hand:


 * It uses the original dimensions of the image so you can change the size. I only made one wide rectangle for the photo with two killer whales. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it! Dunkleosteus77   (push to talk)  22:35, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Questions regarding notability and referencing
Hi!

So I was making an infobox earlier for the Algerian National Office of Statistics and while entering the name of the minister, I found that it is a redlink. Now, I understand how the current minister would be considered noteworthy enough to create (at the very least) a stub page about him, but what about the previous ministers? I noticed that the Ministry of Finance page is also missing an infobox and I was thinking of making one, looking at similar governmental agencies for other countries I find that some of the infoboxes contain the names of previous ministers/the inaugural minister. If that minister doesn't have a page already, is s/he considered noteworthy enough for me to create a stub article (at least) about him/her?

Also, the same question would be regarding the Managing Director of the National Office of Statistics, his name is a redlink as well. Should I fix this by creating a page about him or simply remove the link?

With regards to the incumbent Minister of Finance, would the CV published by the Ministry on its website count as a reliable general reference for his article? What about his picture, can I use a picture published by the Ministry - is it considered public domain? How do I find out if it is public domain?

Browsing the NOS website I came across an Excel document with recent statistics on Algeria, how do I use this as a reference to update the numbers relevant articles? I read on the website itself that the statistics issued by the Office are considered in the public domain (need to verify these by double-checking the French, I used a quick translation tool to go through the site).

Thanks in advance, and sorry for the wall of text! RubyALG (talk) 03:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The National Office of Statistics does not appear to be really  a ministry in the usual sense, but a subdivision of  the Ministry of Finance. The Minister of Finance would be notable; the head of a subdivision of the ministry of Finance would usually not be, unless there are other bases for notability. The most likely for a political figure is having been a member of the country's legislature.  DGG ( talk ) 16:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * DGG, thank you for your answer! Actually I meant that when I was adding the name of the Minister of Finance to the NOS infobox, I found that his name was a redlink, he seems to have been appointed within the last couple of years, and nobody had updated the info on Wikipedia. The NOS is under the MoF but it's independent in terms of location and leadership. I will look further into the background of the director to figure out if he's notable in any other way.


 * What about the previous Ministers of Finance - those who aren't on Wikipedia? Are they still considered notable enough to have their own pages, or since they're no longer in their posts, they're not that notable?


 * Can you answer my concerns regarding referencing the CV, pictures from the Ministry's site, and the Excel document I got from NOS, as well? Thanks again! RubyALG (talk) 19:01, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, our practice is that every holder of a government ministry or head of department in every country in the world is an appropriate topic for an article. It's not a matter of policy, but of practice. A useful summary of practice as determined by consensus over many AfDs is at WP:COMMON; on this point it says: "Elected and appointed political figures at the national cabinet level are generally regarded as notable, as are usually those at the major sub-national level (US state, Canadian province, Japanese prefecture, etc.). Sub-cabinet officials (assistant secretary, commissioner, etc.) are usually considered notable, especially if they have had otherwise notable careers." The first sentence is true; I think the second sentence is not actually our practice, and the proper wording of what we do is "sometimes" not "usually".  For Government Ministers in countries or which we have extensive easily accessible sources, there's usually no difficulty in meeting the GNG for cabinet officers. But for those where nobody has done the work to find it, and all we really have so far is the name and the dates, they might as well remain redlinks.  DGG ( talk ) 20:58, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * DGG, thanks again! So I'm planning on creating an article for the incumbent Minister of Finance first, and then moving on to fill in any gaps in the previous ministers. Can I use the CV published by the Ministry of Finance as a basis for my article? Or would it be considered a not-neutral source? RubyALG (talk) 19:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, thats the usual way we make suchy articles. But it would help enormously if you also found a newspaper article or two on each appointment.  DGG ( talk ) 00:50, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

My first article submission declined 2 times... plz help!
I attempted to write my first article on a guitar player that I really admire, but it's been rejected two times already. First time because there were no proper footnotes, and second time because of unreliable sources. The thing is that the main sources I've used are independent 3rd party newspapers. Here's the article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Angel_%22Pato%22_Garc%C3%ADa Please help me! Highfifan (talk) 21:35, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you read the basic criteria for a stand alone article? There is a three prong requirement, not just that someone is mentioned in a reliable source, but that there is significant coverage of the subject in that source (which is not related to the source). simply working with someone famous is not enough. You might also find something in the special criteria for WP:ARTISTs -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  03:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This reminds me: I believe the individual members of The Donnas aren't notable enough to merit their own articles. How do I proceed? Dyspeptic skeptic (talk) 02:32, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

How to retain the wikipedia page I created for my client
I recently created a wikipedia page for my client. How to retain it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddharth_Balachandran

I am facing criteria for speedy deletion as message Muthukumargv1977 (talk) 05:41, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Read this Notability (people). --112.79.37.141 (talk) 06:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . First of all, if the subject of the article you have written is your "client" as you have stated, then you are a paid editor, and Wikipedia's Terms of Service obligate you to declare your Conflict of interest more prominently than here at the Teahouse. I suggest that you declare that you are a paid editor on your user page, and remove the self promotional content. Secondly, the article is unreferenced and our Policy on biographies of living people requires that such biographies be referenced. Unreferenced BLPs must be deleted promptly. Third, you began the article with: "Siddharth, in his role as Managing Director of the Bumga Group, is responsible for strategy formulation and implementation, as well as continuous improvement of internal policies and expansion plans of the group. And that is not an easy job, considering that the Bumga Group is involved in different verticals of the building and construction sector." Those sentences are not encyclopedic and are not neutral, and are promotional marketing jargon that belong in a company brochure rather than a neutrally written encyclopedia article. Every single trace of this promotional puffery must be removed from this article and excluded from any future articles you write. Please read and study Your first article and follow all of its instructions. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:46, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * While learning to edit Wikipedia-style is hard for most people, for people from the PR and marketing world it is nearly impossible as they are so used to fluffery, jargon and promotion in every bit of their day-to-day work that trying to write in accordance with Wikipedia's WP:NPOV policy is completely foreign reality. Its like trying to have a mathematician work without "1" or "x" . --  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  03:39, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

How to filter only the pages with new edits
In the Special:Contributions page, one may search for the one's contributions. There are some filtering options, but they does not help me find what I want. I am interested in the pages that have newer edits after my last edits to them. In other words, I would like it to hide all the pages whose latest revisions are my edits. This would be helpful to find out those talk pages with new comments and articles updated by other editors. Note that the option "Only show edits that are latest revisions" is doing quite opposite to what I mean above. Can anyone help?--Quest for Truth (talk) 08:27, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

French equivalent of the Teahouse
Is there an equivalent of this teahouse in the French language section of wikipedia? StarEye2000 (talk) 09:05, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not think so, but there is a French equivalent of the Help Desk, which can be found at fr:Wikipedia:Questions techniques. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 10:47, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello StarEye2000 and welcome to the Teahouse. The French equivalent of this page is called Le Bistro. Most Wikipedias in other languages have some sort of cozy forum to discuss things. Depending on what is considered a nice friendly place in that culture, the names vary. Many are called Café. w.carter -Talk  11:37, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia languages are edited independently with different practices so it can depend what is considered equivalent. Under "Languages" in the left pane of Teahouse is a link to fr:Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux. Click "Wikidata item" under "Tools" to see wikidata:Q11059110 where the interlanguage links are maintained. fr:Wikipédia:Le Bistro is paired with Village pump. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia page
Hello!!! I hope you are in good mood, I need your help, to include Idrees ul haq into Wikipedia, I made an article which is being repelled by an author, The article is basically for a person who is renowned in our state ( Jammu and Kashmir India ), I wish you help me... I would be waiting for your reply... Jkinnovators (talk) 09:57, 6 September 2015 (UTC)Jkinnovators
 * , The article does not seem to clearly establish the notability of the subject, nor does it discuss him in much detail. Additional high-quality reliable sources that are independent of the subject would be helpful, and the article should not read like a resume or CV. Do not use blogs or personal websites as sources, nor publications without a good reputation for fact checking, please. DES (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, if, as it seems, you have a conflict of interest you should be very careful in editing the article at all. Please read our conflict of interest guideline. DES (talk) 14:34, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Reflist templates
Can someone explain to me the difference between the template and the  template? For me, they seem to display identical results on the page, but I wonder if that would be the case for other browser configurations, especially for mobile-device users... Basically I'm wondering which one I should use, and why. Thanks! —GrammarFascist (talk) 06:16, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The official answer is that the 30em version is preferred, as it is claimed that it produces the best display on the widest variety of devices. I have a slightly different view of things. I edit most commonly using the desktop site on an HTC Android smart phone held horizontally. For me the 30em template displays references lists inconsistently. If the list has more than 10 references, 11 will display as 1, 12 as 2, and so on, and some information is truncated. But displays reference lists in two properly formatted columns for me. I do not understand the underlying technical issues, so take my observation as initial and provisional. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  06:44, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi GrammarFascist. We call it the same template Reflist with different parameters  or  . The template has documentation at Template:Reflist. The discussed parameters are mentioned at Template:Reflist. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Please use 30em, using bare numbers like 2 or 3 is deprecated now. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 15:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've use the reflist template with the two column parameter dozens of times. While I have occasionally seen the 30em option used I have the same experience as - I often haven't liked the look. I see the note at the template documentation that the two column option is deprecated but I don't see any discussion of the problems identified by Cullen. How can we make sure they are addressed because I am not happy about using an inferior option.-- S Philbrick  (Talk)  15:38, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you don't agree with this then it's probs best to bring it up on the template's talk page. Maybe someone there knows where to find the initial discussion. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 16:14, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey GrammarFascist. To answer your initial question, you may not see any difference if you're using a relatively small screen width, but for someone using a large screen width, the major difference in display, AFAIK, is that using 30em results in any number of columns "appropriate" to the screen, whereas "2" forces two columns. Using my large screen on my desktop computer (where my browser window is set to full screen), an article using 30em displays 4 or 5 columns depending on the text size I have set. It also only displays one column if I drag my browser screen very narrow. If set to "2", it forces two columns at any size. More generally regarding the comments above, and possibly a starting point if further discussion is to be had – maybe at the Village pump technical – there's quite a bit of information to glean from Template talk:Reflist/Archive 22, including links to prior, related threads.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:15, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

How can I Upload Images to Cartoons, Movie posters, video game covers, etc and make it look good with a caption?"
Hello, this is Buddyboy521. A few weeks ago I uploaded a image to the page The Three Little Wolves (film) but the caption didn't look good, but thankfully another user fixed it for me. I just want to know how I can upload images to pages like those and make the caption and image look good. Thank you, Buddyboy521 (talk) 17:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)Buddyboy521

How to prove notability and make sure a page sticks around?
I recently started a bio page for the graphic designer Michael Gericke. Our page has since been flagged as possibly not being notable enough to keep. I've also been asked to mention my own conflict of interest in editing the page (I work for Michael).

I'm wondering how to make sure the page sticks around and also how to expand the bio with additional information and sources. He is a notable designer; he is a senior partner of Pentagram, widely considered to be one of the most important design firms in the world. Many if not most of our other partners have bios on Wikipedia. He has designed many iconic logos, symbols and graphic systems. He's a member of the Alliance Graphique Internationale, the association of the world's top designers.

I've helped edit pages in the past but have never started one of my own.

Thanks for any help!

Kurtck (talk) 23:52, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Notable means already known, having been noticed enough to have been written about (or broadcast about) elsewhere. You need to provide several sources (references) that talk about him in detail, not just a mention. They need to be reliable sources (books, newspapers, not blogs.) They need to be independent of him and of Pentagram. See WP:42. The article has lots of references but most of them just to show existence of things or about things that don't have much to do with him such as the history of a company that he previously worked for. Look for articles in the design literature discussing designers that are independent of press releases. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . One approach would be to forget absolutely everything you know about Gericke, and write your draft article entirely from third-party sources: if you can't find an independent source for a piece of information, you don't put it in, period. If that approach generates an article (rather than a collection of a few unrelated facts) then you can judiciously add some factual information from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Unauthorized removal of images!
Hi, i am the editor of the Wikipedia page of "DJKAM". I have all the legal rights from this artist to use his pict materials. Someone just removed all images from the article about a week ago!!?? Can someone please help me with this? The artist got very upset with this!!! Many thanks for support, P. Pati Rojas (talk) 09:45, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * , you are not the editor of that or any other page. Neither is anyone else. No one needs your authorization to edit it. The images were removed because they are not free, and no non-free images may be uploaded to commons. Also, external links should be removed from the article prose. DES (talk) 14:41, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * See Donating copyrighted materials for the proper procedure. Note that the artist must grant permission for not just Wikipedia but anyone in the world to use the images for any purpose, including selling them, and grant permission for anyone to create altered versions of them. DES (talk) 14:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I have also removed the massive number of spamlinks to I-tunes, and other external links from the bodytext of the article - we are not here to boost your sales. - Arjayay (talk) 15:55, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, . It is perhaps worth making the point to you that Wikipedia has almost no interest in what the artist (or the subject of any other article) wants, or says about themselves. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what other people, unconnected with the subject, have published about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 19:00, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

submitted for approval
I finishing an article but am not sure if it is submitted for approval. I searched Wikipedia and it hasn't shown up yet. Am I forgetting to do something? Comicsutragame (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello
 * Are you talking about this page User:Comicsutragame/sandbox? If so, you had not submitted it. I added a flag so you can press the green button when you are ready. As it stands now, it will be either declined for failing to meet the basic requirements for a stand alone article or be immediately deleted as overtly promotional.
 * Please also read our conflict of interest rules. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:02, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * That stinks. Thank you. Comicsutragame (talk) 19:05, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, it may "stink" from the position of someone who was hoping to utilize Wikipedia as an advertising platform. However, from the position of someone who wants to read/create encyclopedic content, it's pretty necessary and doesn't "stink" at all! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:11, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Footer
I prefer using sfn for citations in WP. However, I'm still confused about the words to be used for sections. For reflist is it notes / references or some other word? For cite book is it references / sources / bibliography or some other word? Which word to be used where? What's the difference among these words? What's there so much inconsistency on WP regarding this? Isn't standardisation better? If it should be standardised, is there a possibility of a bot for this? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  19:37, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . The most common usage I have seen is "Notes" for the "reflist" part and "References" for the list of books themselves. Wikipedia is actually many different encyclopedias - popular culture, geographic, natural history, military, sports, science, biography, and so on. Different areas have different styles of doing references, which is why we have so many difference ways of making references. Standardization isn't always better. And people are always better than bots in reading the source and filling in details of references. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:30, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Görnau, see (Zgierz)
Hello, my problem is, don't can redirect this. Who can do it, because the existing redirect is wrong. My attempts fails...Thanks in advance and regards -- Sweepy (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'd love to help but I don't fully understand the problem. Which article should be a redirect, and what should it point to? --Ashenai (talk) 18:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Görnau (the German name for Zgierz can't be redirected to Zgierz, because the redirect goes to Gornau and is wrong! I hope, you understand now. Thanks and regards -- Sweepy (talk) 18:52, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I see! Interesting. I have created the redirect for Görnau. The problem wasn't that it redirected to Gornau (there was no redirect), it was that the search box apparently doesn't accept diacritics, so when you search for Görnau it thinks you're looking for Gornau. The link should work and redirect correctly, though. Cheers! --Ashenai (talk) 18:58, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, now it's correct, congratulation for understanding and helping! Is it able for you to correct/let correct this problem? All the best for you in future. People like you are indispensable for the en-WP (or others)...regards -- Sweepy (talk) 20:40, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words! I'm not a MediaWiki developer, so no, I can't fix the behavior of the search box. I will report it, though. Happy editing! --Ashenai (talk) 21:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Citation vs Cite Book
What's the difference between the two? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  20:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . In general, we use "citation" to describe the various processes and tools that we use to generate references to reliable sources. These citations can be created manually, but many editors use citation templates, which are fill-in-the-blanks forms to create standardized references. We have many such templates. One is the generic, multi-purpose citation template. You can see a list of many of these templates at WP:Citation templates. There you will find two versions of cite books templates. For a more in-depth discussion of these processes, please see Referencing for beginners. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  20:47, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, is there any field supported by cite book and not by citation? If all book fields like name, last, first, ISBN etc are supported by citation as well whats the use of cite book template -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  20:52, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

I also wants to know the difference between reflist using }{ and references using >< -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Capankajsmilyo&project=en.wikipedia.org count])  20:52, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Citation formats citations slightly differently from Cite book, Cite web and the other Cite xxx templates. It uses "CS2" style rather than "CS1". In my view the differences are fairly minor. The Cite xxx templates existed before the Citation template was created. I believe it was an attempt to replace all of them with a single template, but it never caught on as widely as the creator hoped.
 * reflist formats references in slightly smaller type than the references tag by default, and has some additional options. Otherwise it performs the same functions. It is now very widely used, and one rarely sees a references tag in an article. DES (talk) 21:08, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * If that is the case, shouldn't cite book and . Only use subst if the documentation says to use it. I have copied Template:Infobox school to St. Joseph Regional Catholic School instead so the parameters can be filled out in the article, but it would be better to start with a draft at Article wizard. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks PrimeHunter. I will keep working on it! Sjcraig (talk) 12:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Cancelling an article submission
Hello! :-) Yesterday I submitted two article stubs related to a company and one of its subsidiaries. They are both in the submission queue. After some thought, I think that the article about the subsidiary is unnecessary. Is there a way to abort the submission? StarEye2000 (talk) 10:44, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Do not cancel them... Watch them fail, observe the disintegration of dreams, the crushing of hope, the death of desire...
 * ...or you could just undo the AfC template of the article of course. <sub style="color:green;">Fortuna <sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi  10:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi StarEye2000. If you're not going to pursue the articles for creation submission because you think the the draft is unnecessary, ask for it to be deleted by placing this code at the top of it:  and then saving the page. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Arttalk1984 Neutral Tone
Please tell me which parts of the article are not neutral? Arttalk1984 (talk) 09:12, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Do we assume you are talking about Draft:Nahem Shoa ?- it would help to know - Arjayay (talk) 09:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi. I've responded to this editor on my talk page, where he also left a message.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

CSS and JavaScript
Hello! I want to ask if I can have a sub page of .css and .js in order to use it in template. Actually, I don't need it for this project, but a sister project. Since the software is same, I guess I will get a quick response. Please do tell me how can I import that CSS and JavaScript for the template. 14.139.242.195 (talk) 06:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor . Please use pages here on English Wikipedia only for improving English Wikipedia. To work on a sister project, use pages on that project. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, those discussion pages don't have much viewers. 14.139.242.195 (talk) 06:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to hear that but my request still stands. Pages on this project are for improving this project only. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:59, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyway, .css and .js pages cannot be imported by a template. There might be other ways to achieve whatever you want but it would depend on the specifics. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:32, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

arttalk1984 Citation, References, Footnotes?
I am a new editor as can be seen from the rejections of the article! I need HELP. (In addition, please format the citations as per WP:CIT before resubmitting. Onel5969 TT me 15:23, 5 September 2015 (UTC).) I thought all my (citation) references were correct as they had the opening and closing tags on them. I had clicked on the reference icon on the bar. What do I have to do? Or should some be Footnotes and if so how to format them for Wiki correctly? Arttalk1984 (talk) 09:08, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I was wondering too: There are tools which helps me to add references as cite book, cite web and also there is Proveit. There is no tool under Gadget tab which allows editors to add footnotes directly. References are very easy to add. Adding notes and footnotes, Bibliography is very difficult. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">Action <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Hero 11:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I've responded to this editor on my talk page, where he also left a comment.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 14:06, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Onel5969's reply is about User:Arttalk1984's comment on his talk page. <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">Action <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Hero 14:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Bob Welch (musician) has a broken table
not my metier. Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 16:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ - a matter of a " |} " in the middle of the table instead of a " |- " - Arjayay (talk) 16:22, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Talk page tag templates?
I've seen a tag on a few article talk pages reminding folks with COI to not edit the article directly. What's the template for it? (Or, even better, what's the secret search trick I should use to find it in our help files?)

I have the reference list for article tags. I can't find a corresponding list for talk pages. I also can't remember any articles that have this specific tag, which is my usual go-to for things I don't know. Thanks! Alaynestone (talk) 14:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Alaynestone - please see Template messages/User talk namespace - there are several sections to this page - standard and specific warnings - I find the quickest way to find the one I want is to use a word search for items like "COI" or "spam" - Arjayay (talk) 14:49, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I believe that the OP was asking not about warnings on a user talk page but on an article talk page. Perhaps the template being referred to is COI editnotice.  To find it I merely used a search for COI and specified the template namespace. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

The main list for Article talk pages is Template messages/Talk namespace and the main list of standardized discussion templates is List of discussion templates. Interestingly, neither of those includes the COI template referred to by David Biddulph - perhaps it should be added ? - The COI template does, however, appear in Template messages/Cleanup - Arjayay (talk) 16:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point - apologies Alaynestone, I missed that.


 * YES. Thank you! That's also probably why I didn't find it (I was solely looking for that one thing and getting lost in links and wiki terminology). I'll see about adding it later if I can do so without destroying any tables. Alaynestone (talk) 17:28, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Help me improve content to reflect neutral style
Hello Roger, As you would have noticed the article that I submitted was declined due to lack of neutral approach in writing. Is it because, the references that I have used in the article, are not enough to qualify as independent, reliable, published sources? Appreciate if could help me figure out the ideal sources that I can use as cite references or any other specific areas that needs improvement. Thanks for your helping me edit this article.Cooey Tech (talk) 05:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I am not Roger and questions here at the Teahouse are answered by anyone who volunteers. All I had to do was read the first sentence of your draft, which includes the claim that the company is a "healthcare technology enabler providing end-to-end health monitoring solutions that empower patients to safely and securely manage health information from a single spot." That is marketing and promotional and advertising language which is the exact opposite of how an encyclopedia article should be written. Remove every trace of it. Any article must be written from the Neutral point of view and must be based almost entirely on what Independent, reliable sources say about the company. Your user name hints that you are affiliated with the company. If so, our terms of service require that you declare your Conflict of interest openly. Your account name may be in conflict with our username policy. If you work for the company, it is incumbent upon you to familiarize yourself with our paid editing policies, and comply with them. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Roger is the reviewer of Draft:Cooey Technologies., along with changing your name (I have left instructions on your talk page), contact him at User talk:Dodger67.—  Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  19:08, 7 September 2015 (UTC) ‎

Draft:Greger_Huttu was declined due to notability and verifiable references.
I submitted an article recently and it was declined due to notability and verifiable references. Even though the subject has been featured in an international magazine and has had several articles written about them on many websites, which i've already referenced, my submission was still declined. Sim racing is a huge part of e-sports and the subject is the most well known sim racer in the world.

Can someone please have a look at the article and give me some clear pointers on how I can improve it? Any help is appreciated.

Vinodh Moodley (talk) 19:09, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The basic criteria is here - basically we only care about coverage in reliable sources not random websites. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:18, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

The subject is involved in e-sports and by it's nature, is mainly published in electronic media only. Websites are therefore the main source for references. However, I did add an article from Top Gear magazine as a reference if that is considered a reliable source. Also, please don't state that my references are "random websites" since any website can be considered random if you show no interest in the subject matter. The websites that I referenced are mainly websites dealing with sim racing and are far from random.

Vinodh Moodley (talk) 19:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You can keep banging your head against the wall wailing: WHY IS MY ARTICLE NOT BEING ACCEPTED - I HAVE LINKED TO WEBSITES!?!?! or you can read WP:RS and WP:42 and realize that random websites do not matter at Wikipedia and focus your efforts on finding the reliable websites with reputation for fact checking, accuracy and editorial oversight. If there are not such Reliable Sources that cover the subject, then the subject is not suitable for an article for Wikipedia. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  20:02, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I was told that the Teahouse is a friendly place to learn to edit Wikipedia but your attitude is far from helpful. You keeping bringing up "random websites" but cannot explain to me why they are indeed random since they deal with the subject matter. Also, i'm not "wailing" but genuinely asking for pointed advice on improving my article. Linking me to the same sources on what makes a subject notable is not actually helping but just brushing me off with a minimal amount of effort. If you don't actually want to help, please refrain from replying to my question. Vinodh Moodley (talk) 20:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * , "Random" was perhaps an unfortunate term, but what is needed to establish notability for a Wikipedia article is sources which have reputations for editorial control and accuracy, publications where someone stands between the writer and the public. One-person sites, fan sites, and blogs, for example, are none of them useful to establish notability. Some of the sources you link to at Draft:Greger Huttu seem to be vendor sites, which are generally disfavored here. Others seem to be mere lists of event results, which even if reliable do not add significantly to notability. Yet others seem to be closely associated with the subject of the article and so are not independent. DES (talk) 20:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. I did include a link to one magazine article but it probably isn't enough. Finding reputable websites that are up to Wikipedia's standards is going to be extremely difficult for this specific subject. The one article I was hoping to find that was directly related to the magazine article has been removed. I'll keep editing the draft with the aim of finding more reliable sources. Vinodh Moodley (talk) 20:20, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Search and comparison software
Greetz Remind me what the piece of software / page we use to check for copy-vios, without just gogglng it. Cheers! <sub style="color:green;">Fortuna <sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi  19:35, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, this is the one usually used for detecting copyvios. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:53, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what I was looking for; many thanks Joseph. <sub style="color:green;">Fortuna <sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi  20:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

How to become a member of Wikiproject Canine
I have edited several dog articles and am intetested in doing more, but I can't find the link to Wikiproject Canine to confer with other doggy editors. I'm interested in horses as well, and was able to join Wikiproject Equine very easily, but I'd like to join the dog project as well. Can anybody link me to it? I tried searching for all variations of Wikiproject Canine, but got a blank. Thanks. White Arabian mare (talk) 19:20, 7 September 2015 (UTC)White Arabian mare


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. You'll see the link on the talk page of relevant articles; it's WikiProject Dogs. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:01, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you.White Arabian mare (talk) 20:47, 7 September 2015 (UTC)White Arabian mare