Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 39

I am writing an article about a prominent artist. Where should I send it for inclusion in Wikipedia?
I am writing an article (for consideration as an entry in Wikipedia)about a distinguished artist, in the style which is used in Wikipedia, with references and notes. Where should I send it after completion? 98.194.205.140 (talk) 05:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

KD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.205.140 (talk) 05:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi KD. Glad you could swing by The Teahouse.  I would suggest submitting your article to Articles for Creation or using the Article Wizard to submit your article or create a draft in your userspace to edit it until you feel like it is ready.  Good luck on your article!  Also be sure to check out notability criteria for artists, to make sure your sources can fit those criteria.   I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 05:32, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Rudy Buttignol - (1) Info Box:Removing day and month from birthdate; (2) Adding new appointment to Brittania Mines Board of Directors
Hello, Rudy Buttignol has asked me to make some changes to his Wikipedia page (see above).

How do I remove his day and month of birth and leave in only "1951"? I tried through "edit" and got an error notice!

The link to the Brittania Mines website that contains Buttignol's name as a newly appointed Director of the Board is: http://britanniaminemuseum.ca/about_us/board_of_directors.html Can I just insert the link after a line that I need to write re the appointment?

Many thanks for any help.

Sofiabrampton (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Sofia, welcome to The Teahouse. Before I answer any of your questions, you should be aware that your editing situation brings reasons for concern.  You may have a conflict of interest as an editor, because it sounds like you are employed or have some relation to Buttignol in which he has asked you to make these changes.  The content on articles about biographies of living persons don't really get decided by the subject of the article or people who are affiliated with them.  It gets decided by editors.  If you would like the propose changes to the article, I would suggest adding them to the talk page for Rudy Buttignol, which will allow another, more impartial editor review your proposal, and add the changes in if they are appropriate.
 * As for your questions, I think removing the day and month will not be acceptable, because there's no reason for it other than Buttignol's request. However, I think adding in the link for his position would be appropriate.  In general, to add in links, you need to use a citation.  You can use this guide to help with your referencing.  Because this addition seems non-controversial, and supports his notability, I think it's OK to do it yourself.  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 17:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Removing the day and month of birth is possible for a living person, see WP:DOB. However it should likely be by direct request of the person himself, through our OTRS system so that a (confidential) record is kept. Franamax (talk) 18:11, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

See also: relevant section on my talkpage. benzband ( talk ) 20:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolving dispute when other party is uncooperative
I have been trying to streamline the Infobox on Romania, but keep getting reverted by one editor. I have posted the issue on both the article talk page and on the user's talk page, but he has not discussed, and keeps reverting the whole edit, not just the parts in question, only giving condescending edit summaries. I see no noticeboard in WP:DR applicable to this situation. Any advice? Thank you in advance. Silvrous (talk) 09:48, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Silvrous, welcome to the teahouse! Maybe WP:3O - to give you a third opinion on the changes to the infobox - is the best way forward here? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Obama page
Howdy, I just added some controversial material to Obama's page - curious to hear your thoughts and/or advice.

Cheers--

Settdigger (talk) 07:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It got reverted pretty quickly. If you seriously want to add content to pages like that, start by discussing it on the talk page. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

How to ask for new chemical structure file to be created.
Is there an "approved protocol" for asking someone to create a specific chemical structure file for me? I specialize in chemistry and pharmacology, and have done some extensive WP editing, but only on existing entries. I had hoped to be able to draw my own structures in order to create new entries, but that won't happen as soon as I had anticipated. Thanks.Xprofj (talk) 22:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Xprofj, thanks for stopping by the Teahouse, I think the best place for you to ask for this type of image file is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pharmacology where you are likely to find and editor who specialises in this type of work. NtheP (talk) 22:29, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Xprofj. There is a project at Wikipedia that helps with Chemistry articles as needed.  See WikiProject Chemistry.  You can ask someone who works at that project for help.  There's a subproject called WikiProject Chemistry/Structure drawing workgroup that has a list of participants who all look like they have an intrest and skills in structure drawing.  The best option would be to find someone there who is still active, and ask for help.  -- Jayron  32  22:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Hi Xprof. The very first thing I would suggest is go to the article's talk page and add this template: chemical drawing needed (which can be tailored to describe what you want in the form ). This places the page into Category:Chemistry pages needing pictures. I have no personal experience making this particular request, but if it follows the typical pattern I see for a general request on Wikipedia, there's a very small likelihood it will result in quick action action, and much more likely on the bell curve, it will sit for weeks or months. More directly, and likely to get quicker attention, make a request at Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop (click on the lime "Make a new request" button in the center of the page, and be as specific as possible). I don't see any reason why you couldn't add the template to the talk page and make the specific request, but if you do so, I think it would be a good idea, as part of the request, to inform them you added that to the talk page and that it should be removed if the request is fulfilled. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to ask me on my talk page, I can draw you most chemical structures (in 3D or 2D, space-filling model or ball-stick model) using a program I have called Chemsketch. -- Activism  1234  00:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * My sincere thanks to all of you for your advice.Xprofj (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I want a script built, so where do I find people to ask?
Hi everyone. I'm desperate to have a tool on Wikipedia that allows me, in the same vein as Twinkle does tags, to add WikiProjects to talk pages. There is a type of this script in French Wikipedia, which you can find here. Where would I go to request something like this be created in English Wikipedia? I'm not experienced in creating tools like this, nor do I have the time right now to develop such a skill. Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 16:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You can request scripts here.
 * Such a script already exists though, at User:Drilnoth/assessortags.js/doc. It doesn't support many banners but you can add more manually. AFAIK, developing has been discontinued. benzband  ( talk ) 16:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ben. It'd be great to have something up to date, at least with the most active WikiProjects. I'm terrible at doing the manual additions on Twinkle (I screw it up repeatedly until I get it right, and it's not because I'm incompetent, I think it's just the bad documentation and lack of intuitiveness that goes with working with these things), so it'd be nice to have something new, attractive and updated! I will take a look at it though. SarahStierch (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Writ might be able to build on that for his new script though. Another hitch is it doesn't allow class or importance parameters. benzband  ( talk ) 16:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Importance is going to be effectively impossible to automate in a sane fashion. Class can be estimated by calling out to Did you know/DYKcheck and counting tags to have a crack at sorting them between stub/start/C, more advanced classes require real work. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:39, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Kephir/gadgets/rater is awesome and allows you to add and/or assess WikiProjects. In addition just added autocompletion to it. This helps when you don't know exactly what project you are looking for (or are lazy like me and don't want to type it all). Ryan Vesey 04:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sarah, your script exists! I found it yesterday and it's awesome!  It was actually created just a few days ago so your timing is impeccable. Try adding this:
 * WHOA. Awesome :) Thanks Ryan. Where is the best place for me to install this? common.js or..? Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 04:44, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep common.js. Although I'd prefer something like MediaWiki:Common.js (in all seriousness, it should be turned into a gadget or something). Ryan Vesey 04:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You sure it works? I went to talk pages, and it's not popping up on the left side under "Scripts." Can you check if I made a mistake at User:Activism1234/commons.js?  Please note I also have a User:Activism1234/Vector.js.  Thanks. -- Activism  1234  05:00, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears on top of the page in a button marked rate. Ryan Vesey 05:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You imported it correctly by the way. Ryan Vesey 05:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * On another note, any script that is added to your common.js page will work just as fine in your vector.js page as long as you are using the vector skin. The advantage of common.js is that if you change skins, your scripts will still work.  In fact, when I first started editing, some scripts' documentation pages told me to add them to my monobook.js page even though I wasn't running monobook.  That caused some confusion because nothing that was added there worked. Ryan Vesey 05:15, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm I neither see it on the top of the page on IE9 or Google Chrome... That's odd. Where is it? Next to "edit, new section..."? -- Activism  1234  05:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you clear your cache when you added it? It should appear to the right of the watchlist star. You can use it from the article page and it seems to load faster that way.  On IE you should hold the ctrl key down and click the refresh button after you add anything to your javascript.   Ryan Vesey 05:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Nvm I fixed it by getting rid of my vector.js page and adding everything to common.js. Awesome!!! -- Activism  1234  05:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

One suggestion would be to automatically have a pop-up below whenever you type in to add a new wikiproject that lists wikiprojects that start with what you typed (like a google search). This makes it easier to know the wikiproject exists. -- Activism  1234  05:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That is the autocomplete feature that was just added. Are you not seeing it?  If not, I suggest you discontinue using explorer or restart your computer or something. Ryan Vesey 05:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No I didn't see it. Check my code again at User:Activism1234/common.js one more time please? Also, do you know where I can find a list of all these scripts and an explanation of what they do? -- Activism  1234  05:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You could try checking WikiProject User scripts/Scripts or for more check Category:Wikipedia scripts; however, not all of the scripts in the category have descriptions. Alternatively, you can check random editors skin.css pages (common, vector, monobook, etc.) and see if the name of any of the scripts is interesting and ask them about it.  I use one that puts a link to the New Pages Feed in my toolbox.  Another allows me to change date formats easily.  Another allows me to filter recent changes to find vandalism (I use it when I don't have access to Huggle). Ryan Vesey 05:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

It works for me on Google Chrome, not IE9. -- Activism  1234  05:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for dropping a link to the tool's page. Skins other than Vector are not known to work; in fact, I just tried Monobook and it did not. Something to find out. The autocompletion feature is implemented using the so-called-HTML5  element, and a bit of searching reveals that IE9 does not support that. Making that work would probably require some fiddling with jQuery… but personally, I am much happier with driving people away from IE. Hah! Take that, Microsoft! Keφr (talk) 06:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

How can I add info to an existing table?
On this page List of Top Gear episodes, and this revision: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Top_Gear_episodes&oldid=509985323, as you can see the ratings are in a separate table, rather than being merged into the existing table which has an overview of all the episodes. I want to add the total viewers and weekly ranking to the existing table but can't figure out how. Emirates123 (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, welcome to the TeaHouse Emirates123. Tables are notoriously tricky. I suggest that you play around in your sand box until you understand who the layout of the two currently tables works and how the combined one might work before trying it on the live table. That or suggest it on the talk page and hoe someone else does it. Stuartyeates (talk) 17:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Emirates. The short answer is that you need to add columns to the table. This means every row needs an extra entry. YOuwill see that the headers are separated by "!", and the data columns by "|". Simply add the cells to every row. Rich Farmbrough, 01:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC).

How to reference a YouTube video in an article?
Would like to use a YouTube video as a reference in an article. Is it permissible & how to do it. thanks Yopeterson (talk) 16:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, because Youtube videos are self-published, they are not considered a reliable source, so using Youtube videos as references is not usually acceptable.  If the information displayed in the video is available from a news agency or other reliable source, I encourage you to link to the video from there.  Otherwise, it is highly unlikely that your reference will be allowed to remain.  Ebikeguy (talk) 16:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Yopeterson, the one exception I could possibly think of is if it's a YouTube channel verified to be from a university or news outlet. That's still somewhat shaky, and I would recommend you look to that university website or news website for the information. However, if the information is only published by the university on YouTube, then you could cite it with the cite web template. I hope this helps! Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 16:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You could cite it using YouTube template. benzband  ( talk ) 16:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, the Wiki software has a 100MB size limit so if you have a video (such as a government documentary) that exceeds that, you would have to load it to Youtube first. One example is The Fight For The Sky: Our Fighter Pilots Versus The Luftwaffe In Western Europe (1945). Another 7000 or so can be found this link. Kumioko (talk) 18:29, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Can someone help me update a pic of Natalya (wrestler) applying a Sharpshooter on Eve Torres and Layla?
Can someone help me update a pic of Natalya (wrestler) applying a Sharpshooter on Eve Torres and Layla?At the (In Wrestling) part of the page.I don't know how to do that.Help is greatly appreciated.Thank You!JosephbyNature (talk) 08:29, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, JosephbyNature, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can go to Upload to upload the photograph, but you have to make sure it complies with the image policy before you upload it, specifically that you have the copyright for the photo. A boat   that can float!   (watch me float!)  08:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I`d like to do a translation of an article for Wikipedia Germany
Hello, I want to do a translation of "Morita therapy" by "Jacobisq" to put it across to Wikipedia Germany since there is no such article. Are there any prescriptions to consider?79.247.241.39 (talk) 12:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP, and welcome to the Teahouse! If you are interested in translating an article from English, you might want to check out WP:Translate us, which has some handy tips on translation. Also, on the English Wikipedia you have to have an account to create articles, but I don't know if this is true of the German Wikipedia. A boat   that can float!   (watch me float!)  12:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi 79, also be aware that the German Wikipedia has different criteria for inclusion, so it's worth checking that the article is suitable before putting a lot of effort.
 * Secondly it is important to respect the copyright of the article by putting an acknowledgement and link to the version translated from. Rich Farmbrough, 02:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC).
 * Secondly it is important to respect the copyright of the article by putting an acknowledgement and link to the version translated from. Rich Farmbrough, 02:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC).

Here is the first paragraph in German:

Dr Shoma Morita (1874-1938) war ein Psychiater und Abteilung Lehrstuhl an Jikei University School of Medicine in Tokyo. Morita Personal Training im Zen-Buddhismus beeinflusst seine Lehren, aber Morita-Therapie ist kein Zen-Praxis. Morita formulierte seine psychotherapeutischen Prinzipien in Japan als ein Programm für die Behandlung von neurotischen Tendenzen zur gleichen Zeit, dass die Aufmerksamkeit in Europa Dr. Sigmund Freuds Entdeckung des Unbewussten und Carl Jung die Entwicklung von Archetypen gegeben wurde. [3] [Bearbeiten] Keelan717

Help with my page
First: I titled it wrong: Bob%27s_Park,_Jessup,_Maryland instead of Blob's Park, Jessup, Maryland Second: I cannot get the coordinates to mark on the map. Can someone fix my title mistake, as well as point me to how to put a mark on the map with coordinates? I apologize, in advance, if this is the wrong place for these questions. LarryGrim (talk) 03:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Larry, thanks for stopping by The Teahouse. You've come to the right place.  For your first problem, you can WP:MOVE the article to the correct name.  I can take care of that. (Nevermind, Jayron32 took care of it-- thanks!)  I'm not sure how to do coordinates myself, but I think you can check out templates over at WP:COORD (Can another user help with this second point?).  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 03:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Jethrobot, he asked the same question at Help desk and I fixed it there before I knew he asked it here. -- Jayron  32  04:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you. The move question was for the Teahouse, but the map question was for the map gurus.  Both came out, fixed them, and also showed me how to do it myself.  Thank you. LarryGrim (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I checked these FAQs even if this isn't related to my problem. I thought Blob's Park had closed and am glad to hear it reopened, especially as Octoberfest season's near. Thanx. Jweaver28 (talk) 04:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Question about how we add a map to Armenia-Cyprus relations article
Unfortunately Wikicommons doesn't have a locator with Cyprus and Armenia! Please do you know some users that can create the picture and add it to the article Armenia-Cyprus relatons?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia_-_Cyprus_relations — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsrArmen (talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * question moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse. NtheP (talk) 21:35, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry to keep bouncing you around, but this question is perfect for Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

How do I move my revised article to the Encyclopedia from Wikipedia talk?
I have made the necessary revisions to my article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Howard_J._Buss It is ready to be posted as an article. How do I move it to the Encyclopedia (Wikipedia) from Wikipedia talk?

Do I need to submit it again? If so, how do I do it?Suemanning1972 (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sue, welcome to the the Teahouse. Your article will need to be resubmitted, you can do this by adding   to the top of the page.  This will add the page to the list of those awaiting review - there is a backlog so please be patient over waiting for a response. Please note that your page was slightly misplaced and can now be found at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Howard J. Buss. NtheP (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Inviting contributors
How might I invite other people to contribute to my article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lella_Vignelli Vibhabamba (talk) 20:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Vibhabamba. It depends if you have anyone in mind.  You can ask any user on their talk page, or you can make a general request at an appropriate WikiProject, for example WP:WikiProject Italy. Rich Farmbrough, 00:36, 1 September 2012 (UTC).


 * Hello Vibhabamba, and welcome to the Teahouse! In a sense, you invited people to contribute to the article by asking your question here at the Teahouse. I have made a few modest expansions to the article, and thank you for beginning an article about an indisputably notable designer. I have also removed the "notability" tag from the top of the article, as the references listed in the article at this time establish notability without question. All that being said, the article can be expanded greatly, and I encourage you (and other editors) to pitch in and help improve it. You've made an excellent beginning here, and I thank you.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  03:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Should I undo an edit reversion when the editor's justification does not make sense?
I made an edit on a wiki article on a certain church in its "controversy" section. I added more information using the sources it already cited. Another editor decided to revert my edits and claimed that the information provided was not found in the sources that were cited. However, I took the added information directly from the sources.

Should I undo the editor's reversion and refer them to the talk page?In the talk page I made direct quotes from the sources showing that the added information is indeed found in the sources cited, however it has been over a day and I have received no response from that editor or any other editor. Or should I request a third opinion or some other assistance?

Here's the link to the talk page with the information, it is found under the last subject called "Edit Reversions" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:La_Luz_del_Mundo#Edit_reversionsFordx12 (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Fordx12, yes, I can see from the edit history of La_Luz_del_Mundo that it is a controversial subject with a number of reversions and edit wars. I also see you have a personal interest with the subject, being a member of the denomination? It is obviously a sensible approach to discuss any major changes. It looks like the other editor has not been active since you raised the issue on the Talk page. Editors are not always able to respond to Talk page discussions immediately for a number of reasons. My advice would be to allow the other editor(s) an opportunity to respond. I don't think you have given anyone enough time for anyone to digest the large amounts of information you have placed on the Talk page. In my view, it is never helpful to personalise an argument, as you have done with your recent contribution - it makes it more difficult for the other editor to respond and reach an agreement. It will also discourage other editors from becoming involved. If it was me, I would wait for a genuine exchange of views before taking the issues to arbitration. Best of luck! Sionk (talk) 17:22, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I will give it more time. Fordx12 (talk) 20:55, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

What do you do when another editor persists in making "improvements" which are not?
There is this lady that persists on breaking the international links such as Gustave Brisgand or Toon Dupuis leaving Gustave Brisgand or Toon Dupuis which goes nowhere because there are no pages for them in the English Wiki. At first I thought it was just sloppy editing, but it is deliberate. She does the same thing on the Dutch Wiki, killing links to other language wikis. This is the second time I come across Dutch ethnocentrism, I had put a link on a page that I had not created, and all was germane to the page except the language part, I asked why that link was not permitted and I was told that it was because it pointed to a non Dutch Wiki. I decided to respect that person's rule as I had not created that page. However now it is being done on the page I created. I know it is probably not very Wiki to feel ownership of one's Wiki article, but I don't feel killing links within the Wikis is an improvement to any page.

Suggestions?

Sebastian (In case you are wondering, yes my wiki signature is a Dutch name, I picked it because, well, nobody ever has a beef with the Dutch, right!?) Van Aldenhaag (talk) 14:39, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Van Aldenhaag, welcome to The Teahouse. I agree-- who's ever had a problem with the Dutch, anyway?  But getting to your question, I certainly don't think this is an example of you assuming ownership of the article, because you're addressing edits that are unconstructive.  I would try talking to the user on their talk page first, and ask them why they are making these changes.  I would explain that it is perfectly fine to link to other-language Wikipedias on en.wikipedia.org.  I don't know what the policy on the Dutch Wikipedia is, though, so be sure to check into that.  If addressing the editor directly doesn't work, and you two are the only ones involved, you should consider getting a third opinion.  Barring that, you'll probably want to head over to the administrator's noticeboard for incidents.  To be fair, I think you are in the right here (e.g. keeping the other-language Wikipedia links), but be sure not to engage in edit warring over this matter, or you might give the reason to someone to have a beef with the Dutch!  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Van Aldenhaag. I agree that killing links does not improve articles but I assume that both you and the other editor are editing in good faith to improve the encyclopedia.  Here are a few ways to proceed.  The English Wikipedia has a principle of least astonishment.  Links to international Wikipedias should explicitly show that the link is not to an English language page.  The easiest way to do that is to include the language tag such as fr:Gustave Brisgand.  If Toon Dupuis is notable enough for inclusion in the English Wikipedia, it may be appropriate to add the article to the list of pages needing translation.  Leave a red link on the page with a link to the international article like Toon Dupuis(NL) or use the InterLanguage Link template  undefined .  These suggestions came from the article on red links.  Try to discuss the best way to handle the interwiki links on the talk page of the article under your stewardship (which is different from ownership).  Hope that this helps, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ · cont) Join WER 18:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sebastian, welcome to the Teahouse. While the link on this wiki remains a redlink like the examples you give there is nothing wrong with using an interwiki link like the ones you used.  If as it appears might be the case here someone objects possibly because they feel the presence of a redlink here is needed to encourage someone to write the article in English or because they object to or don't understand interwiki links then there is a trick you can use to satisfy both sides.  That is to use the template ill which will produce both the link to the English wiki article as well as a link to the Dutch wiki article. For example  produces a (red)link to the non existent English wiki article and in brackets a link to the existent Dutch wiki article.
 * I've no experience of the Dutch wiki so can't say whether the same policy applies there but I can't find anything on Meta-Wiki to suggest that is shouldn't apply. NtheP (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you all, I will go over your suggestions carefully and figure out what will work best. Much obliged Van Aldenhaag (talk) 21:45, 31 August 2012 (UTC) Cool! Thanks for fixing the links NtheP! Made my wiki day :-)Van Aldenhaag (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi all, I guess it is my edits you are talking about? On the Dutch Wikipedia I have been told (a long time ago though) I should not make interwikilinks because that would stop people from creating articles/tranlating into Dutch. FYI, I will NOT touch any interwikilinks on the English Wikipedia anymore. Hope that is fine with you all. Lotje (talk) 04:44, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

It is a happy day in wikiland for me. This is really a fascinating process between the submitting of articles for others' approval (I have not been in school in a long while), the cooperative editing, and trying not to get too emotionally wrapped up in it. NtheP the template ill is very clever, I tested it out on a few links not sure I like all that red :-), but if the article does exist in English it finds it as well even with the ill coding such as Toon Dupuis!  Wondering if this would be acceptable in Dutch wikiland... :-D Thank you Lotje for agreeing not give me a coronary. Van Aldenhaag (talk) 17:36, 1 September 2012 (UTC) The template ill does not work in the Dutch wiki :-/ Van Aldenhaag (talk) 18:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

User Profiles
How can I see another users edit count? Vibhabamba (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Vibhabamba and welcome to the Teahouse. In order to see another editor's edit count, go to his/her User Page or Talk Page.  To the left of the talk page, click the link to "User contributions."  At the bottom of the "User contributions" page, you will see a box with several links in it.  Click the link titled "Edit count."  Hope that helps!  Ebikeguy (talk) 21:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You can also enable Popups, which allows you to see the count (and MANY more things) just by hovering a mouse over the signature:
 * -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

== When I came to add illustrations to my article, I had changed my username and password & was no t considered qualified to add the illustrations to my own article. That was 2009; never found a solution. Can anyone help? ==

I was having trouble signing in, so I just started over. Big mistake. Now I don't have the right to add pictures to my own article and that is really too bad as it is ABOUT pictures--an early Russian Picture Bible. Argh! Can anyone help?70.56.16.189 (talk) 21:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am sorry to hear about your difficulties.  It would help me to understand your problem if you could post the name of the article you are trying to edit, as well as any usernames you have used in the past to edit the article.  Once you post that information, people can check the article history to get a better idea of how we can help you.  Thanks!  Ebikeguy (talk) 21:41, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. If you entered an email address when you originally created an account you can enter your username in the login box and then click on the button towards the bottom of the page marked "Mail me a new password" and then use that to access your account.  If you have forgotten your username or didn't register an email address then under the Cleanstart rules you can create a new account as long as there is no intention, now or in the future, of using both accounts.  Until you regain access to the old account or create a new one then I'm afraid you are stuck about uploading images as unregistered users cannot upload images. NtheP (talk) 21:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for visiting the Teahouse, where people can help, but I must point out that it is not your article. See wp:own for more details.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  00:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me just add that it only takes a minute to create an account at Special:UserLogin/signup, it doesn't require any personal information, and you can immediately upload freely licensed images for use in Wikipedia at commons:Special:UploadWizard. It is only non-free images which have a small requirement called autoconfirmation to upload: The account must be four days old and have ten edits. Without that you can still post a request at Files for upload. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Moving of article
How do I move my article from my sandbox to the main page? 13:34, 2 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajdass (talk • contribs)
 * Hi, I'm Ebe123, a host here. You can go to Special:MovePage/User:Rajdass/sandbox and for the new title, replace User by Main and put the new title. But before, I think your sandbox is not ready to be an article as it seems promotional.   Ebe  123  → report 13:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * To add to what Ebe123 said, you have to be a confirmed user to move pages, but it seems you aren't yet. Just 5 more edits and you should be fine but I'd advise against moving per Ebe123. A boat   that can float!   (watch me float!)  14:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

How to delete the 'reviewer notation' in the userpage?
Hi Wiki

How to delete the 'reviewer notation' in the userpage?

Thanks

COLM MCLOUGHLIN (EVC) 08:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcolm (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, Colm, and welcome to the Teahouse! Just delete the first paragraph of the article under the header and you'll be fine. A boat   that can float!   (watch me float!)  09:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

New policy to no longer list names of crewmembers in Airliner Crashes?
I just ran across an airlner crash article where another editor has removed the names of the deceased crewmembers on the ground that "we do not list the dead." Is that a new policy? I seem to remember reading many other air crash articles that had names of the dead crew in them, and they have been there an awful long time with no one objecting, that I can remember.

If there is a new policy like that, I would appreciate a link, so I can be sure to be in compliance, if I want to edit aviation crash articles. Thanks, 66.81.52.196 (talk) 05:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. I assume you're referring to this version of United Airlines Flight 585. There's no policy I know of as such about not listing the dead. But as a more general point, the names were unreferenced. If they're named in reliable sources then their inclusion would be credible IMO. However, you may find that you could obtain further useful guidance from members of relevant WikiProjects. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 06:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I always thought the official accident report was a reliable source. That is where most of the dead crews names come from, in the thousands of other Wiki crash articles and the same for UAL 585.  It looks to me that particular editor is trying to make up his own policies -- and enforce them too.  I don't doubt if I put those names back in, he would revert again, so I won't.  But, it seems like Wiki officials would be concerned with a maverick editor like that. Thanks, 66.81.53.174 (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This editor is sadly misinformed but as a unregistered user with a edit history of less than ten, its hardly surprising. He's been told where to bring this issue. If he bothered to check recent aviation articles, he'd find the same thing being done elsewhere. This editor can find what I'm talking about, heck he found this place....William 23:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

how do i add an attachment to a new article?
I've looked and I can't find out how to do this; any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!Brutus5199 (talk) 19:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Brutus! What do you mean by "attachment"? A photograph, perhaps? benzband  ( talk ) 20:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. If it's a media file, e.g. an illustration, etc. have a look at Help:Files. You'll also need to familiarise yourself with the image use policy, in particular the requirement for free media (except in certain clearly defined situations). Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 06:43, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

How to add a reference?
Hello, I tried to add an information for a poet, who is living person. I have a message from Wiki that I need to add a reference, I added but I still have a message. What can I do? The article I am writing about is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanase_Vantchev_de_Thracy

Media ddd (talk) 17:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This template, like many other maintenance templates, does not automatically disappear when the issue has been addressed. As it states, once a reference is added you can remove the template.
 * However, the first reference you added appears to be to the poets own site. Acceptable to include, but it doesn't count as an independent reliable source. The second source appears to be to a Bulgarian encyclopedia, but doesn't specify which entry. In my opinion, you haven't yet added a qualifying reference.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  22:42, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Correcting inaccurate information - no link
On the Wiki page for Orlando International Airport, the information for Frontier Airlines is not correct.

No Frontier flights to Orlando are operated by Republic Airlines this winter. Both Milwaukee and Omaha will be operated by Frontier (mainline) and and Des Moines has been dropped.

I don't have a link to show this so do I just make the changes and then have the debate, or just leave it?Marinerpacific (talk) 23:28, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, and thanks for stopping in. Is the information already there (reliably) sourced? If so, the odds are against you, considering you'd be replacing information that is at least verifiable elsewhere with sourceless information. On the other hand, if what's already there isn't sourced either, it is impossible to argue that you could be doing any wrong by removing sourced information and inserting something unsourced, so I'd say go ahead. This also is not a biographical article, and is far from controversial, so even if you did replace sourced information with something unsourced, the chances of someone taking you to task for it are slim to none, so to speak, heh.


 * In short, my advice would be to be bold and change the article. If someone doesn't like it, they'll let you know, and then you can work it out with them. If you've any other questions, please do ask them!  dalahäst (let's talk!) 02:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not intended to be a directory and certainly not a travel guide so this type of cruft should not be there anyway. I advise removing it and sticking to secondary sourced encyclopedic facts.--Charles (talk) 17:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice all. :-)

The present information is not sourced, but is based on last year's schedules and may have been able to be sourced at that time. My source is information provided to me by the airline and confirmed in the airline booking engine, to which it is almost impossible to link. The reason it is of interest is because to civil aviation nuts (such as myself) the airline in question is undergoing a major restructure and because Wiki's list of airlines and destinations at the various airports is a valuable reference, however inconsequential it may seem. I'll try and find a verifiable link.Marinerpacific (talk) 20:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Is there a way of archiving a PDF document?
Hi there!

I've been working on some articles on Administrative Regions in Guyana, like Barima-Waini. When I came to the articles, they gave population figures which said they were from an Official Census but didn't give any reference so I tried to track it down, and found it here. The Census actually has LOADS of information that would be helpful to Guyana articles (like populations of towns and villages etc) but I'm struggling with finding a way of citing it in a way that's helpful, because the only thing i can link to is the Bureau of Statistics website (as all the documents are PDFs and in some cases zip folders of PDFs). And I'm also a bit concerned that these might ultimately move location.

Another editor has really kindly been showing me how to use WebCite and i thought it would be great to use that with this, but I can't because I don't have an url for these docs. Interestingly though, another editor had linked to one of the documents in the Census in the article on Regions of Guyana (I found this out only some time after I'd started!) using this address: Population Redistribution Internal Migration.pdf. On my computer though, I only seem to be able to open these by downloading them as PDFs (I'm using Google Chrome - I don't know if that's relevant).

Any help would be hugely appreciated!

Thanks, Lorelei (talk) 23:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Lorelei, hi and welcome to the Teahouse. In providing a reference you are making a statement that there is a source to back up what you are saying.  You are doing that, that it has to be downloaded to open is not relevant, you could equally have given a reference to a paper document which isn't available on line.  The point is that if challenged there is asource available to back up the article text.  Om my PC (running IE & Firefox) http://www.statisticsguyana.gov.gy/pubs/Chapter3 doesn't work but the correct link to me for chapter 3 looks like http://www.statisticsguyana.gov.gy/download.php?file=23
 * The articles being archived at some time in the future is always a risk, you could always download the whole thing to save locally but that is a bit over the top for me. I'd just leave it and provide web references.  Also as this appears to be a print document that has been converted for web publication, you might be better using the template cite book to reference it as that template includes all the parameters you could want, a web location being a useful but not main parameter. NtheP (talk) 08:40, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh okay, thank you NtheP :) Lorelei (talk) 13:52, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Is this behaviour reasonable?
Hi Everyone,

I've been on Commons for a while mostly adding photos to articles and doing the odd bit of editing on Wikipedia.

Recently I think that I've become embroiled in an edit war and would really appreciate some guidance. The discussion is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tasmanian_Forests_Intergovernmental_Agreement

Is this an appropriate point to refer it to Wikipedia:3O?

Thanks in advance! Ed Doddridge (talk) 21:16, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Ed! I haven't read the discussion properly, but you are very welcome to get a 3O. It isn't a drastic measure, so you can't go wrong with that if you feel it would benefit. Hope this helps, ask if you have any more questions. Adam Mugliston  Talk  21:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello Ed Doddridge and welcome to the TeaHouse. As near as I understand it the protest that you're including information about is essentially a protest about other protesting. Since the article doesn't talk about the original protesting, including coverage of the counter-protest is confusing and misleading. Enough information needs to be included in the article for everything to make sense. Often this includes laying out (and referencing) the basics of auguements you don't necessarily agree with or that run directly counter to the information you wish to add. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:40, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Adam Mugliston  and Stuartyeates; I think I'll flag it at 3O. You raise a good point Stuartyeates. The forestry debate in Tasmania has been rather drawn out, so it is sometimes difficult to work who is protesting and who is counter-protesting. The section I included was intended to be about protests against the agreement, but the same people are also counter-protesting against the anti-logging protests. I'll think about how to make that clearer.Ed Doddridge (talk) 22:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Can auto-confirmed users accept/decline AfC?
I am currently an auto-confirmed user and I just read through the Reviewer Instructions. Am I allowed to accept/decline articles? I'd hate to do something that is off-limits to me!CityDoors 14:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Litraj (talk • contribs)
 * If you think you can judge well, then yes. How long have you been on Wikipedia? If you haven't been here long, I'd suggest you do some content creation first. Adam Mugliston  Talk  14:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Litraj! Welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. Grats on making it to the auto-confirmed user status :) You're absolutely welcome to review articles, however, I do agree with Adam - it's often a good idea to get as familiar with article creation processes and Wikipedia policy as possible - it will save you grief if more experienced editors have problems with your "approvals" or declines. Welcome, and I hope this helps! SarahStierch (talk) 17:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your quick responses! I will certainly be taking your advice.CityDoors 18:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)CityDoors

How to change the username?
Thanks

Dubaitennis (talk) 08:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can make a request here to change your username: Changing username/Simple. Let me know if you have any issues!  Nik the  stoned  08:43, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Page deleted while work in progress…
Yvancg OK. So here is the thing. I created a page for a book, using the relevant template, checking the best book pages that are cited as references, and had quite a few interaction in the chat with some admin to improve on my contribution and make it relevant.

My page was on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Yvancg/Fallen_Angel_(novel)&action=edit&redlink=1

I had some comment that I should add external reference to my page and was working on finding relevant references, when one day I check my page and see it was deleted by this admin: DragonflySixtyseven saying it is "too promotional"!!! How can an admin delete a work in progress, when I spent hours building it and keep asking validation from senior admins here?

How can I get my page back so that i can finish adding the external references?

Why would this page be "too promotional" when I follow the plan given on template and reference article?

Please help me clarify this.

i feel very bad to have put a lot of time and effort in this contribution and have one guy coming up and wiping it off just saying "too promotional"!!

Thank you

(Yvancg (talk) 10:53, 4 September 2012 (UTC))
 * Hi, Yvancg, I'd be pretty annoyed, too, if I put some work into something and it was deleted without much of a discussion. Even proposed articles that are not acceptable could be moved to a user sub page in many cases, if there is hope for fixing. I can do that if you wish (unless Sarah tells me something I missed.) I do think the current version is not close to ready at this time. I was puzzled at the single reference to an article about Charlotte's web, what am I missing? Without that reference, it has no references, but I do not see why that one is included.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  13:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

How to re-submit an article?
Sorry for asking this question again....

Thanks

Dubaitennis (talk) 07:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. Assuming you're talking about Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dubai Duty Free - you first need to address the issues noted in the box at the top (the bit in grey!) then click the "When you are ready to resubmit, click here" link just below it. As it is, this article needs a lot of work on the in-line citations from reliable third-party sources before it will be accepted. Let me know if you have any questions!  Nik the  stoned  09:05, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

How many references for a Wikipedia article?
Ok. Another question. How many references should an article contain? I have been looking everywhere on the help pages and can't seem to find it. Is two sufficient for a small article?CityDoors 00:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Litraj (talk • contribs)
 * Hi Litraj! As a general rule, you need to have references that support every claim. So a small article that doesn't make many claims may only warrant a couple of references, while a long article, that covers a lot of detail, could potentially need hundreds of references. :) (The longest I've done is about 72 references, but I've seen much worse).
 * The problem you will tend to run into, though, is that articles also need to show that the subject has been covered enough in reliable and indepnedent sources so that a neutral and full account can be written. And there you may need multiple refrences to show that there is enough to work on. The issue in those cases isn't so much how many references, but how independent and complete are they. As a rule of thumb, you need at least two independent and reliable sources which provide "non trivial" coverage. At times that can be a difficult bar to pass, but it is needed in order to give contributors some solid material from which to work. - Bilby (talk) 02:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify a common source of confusion at Wikipedia. Referencing is something we do to an article: the text at Wikipedia needs to be supported by reliable sources which are explicitly named in the article, and connected to the information that it supports.  That is what a reference is.  Notability is attached to the subject of an article (not the text itself).  A subject is notable enough for Wikipedia if enough people have written about the subject so that we have enough sources to use to write a long enough, comprehensive enough article from those sources.  But even if an article has zero references, it doesn't mean the subject itself isn't notable.  If the writing exists out there in the world somewhere, then the notability exists, regardless of the quality of the Wikipedia article about that subject.  It is rare for a Wikipedia article to be deleted for being badly written (the two exceptions are articles which are copyright violations or which are unredeemingly advertising), but no matter how well written it is, if the subject doesn't meet the minimum threshold of notability, it should be deleted.  New users often have the question "What can I fix about my article so that it will be notable."  The actual proper answer is "Nothing!" because there is notability doesn't have anything to do with the article.  If the subject you are writing abut just doesn't have enough good source material, no amount of brilliant prose can save the article.  -- Jayron  32  03:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Optional input in template
Hi I am a new editor to wikipedia. I have started out by adding citations and references to articles but am having some difficulty with templates that have optional input. How do you get a template to work if you do not have the optional input?

Thanks in advance for helping out this novice! Thelobsternods (talk) 23:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In almost all cases, just leave the unused elements of a taxobox or infobox blank. They won't show when viewed but are there if the information or element later becomes available (such as an image or distribution map, date of death for an infobox in a biography of a living person, etc.).  I even leave the comments (like  ) as a reminder for when I find the information at a later date.  If you have a problem with a particular template or element in one, ask here or on my talk page.  Hope this helps, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ · cont) Join WER 04:42, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! Thelobsternods (talk) 05:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Appropriate external links on biographies of living people
Hi guys! In reviewing new articles about living people WP:BLP I've noticed various editor reactions to links to facebook, twitter and such. The written policies are a little hard to follow at: WP:BLPEL but when I follow the thread to "links to avoid" I see: WP:LINKSTOAVOID "one should generally avoid: Links to social networking sites (such as Myspace and Facebook), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, Usenet newsgroups or e-mail lists." Avoiding is not exactly the same as never ever. Basically I am asking, can I remove them when I find them? Thanks for your answers! heather walls (talk) 19:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The general rule is to link ONLY to the "official website" of a person. For some arbitrarily large percentage of people who qualify at Wikipedia, this will be a standalone website, not part of facebook or twitter.  Since most people will use their www.johndoe.com website to link to facebook/johndoe and twitter/johndoe, it isn't necessary for Wikipedia to do this.  Also, the fact that the rules aren't written as "never ever ever do this" doesn't mean "you can ignore this rule with impugnity".  Therefore, while linking to facebook isn't strictly verboten (really, is anything at Wikipedia verboten like that), it does mean that you'd need a very good reason to do so.  If they have a www.whatever.com official webpage, there's no need to link to anything else.  -- Jayron  32  19:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I have a question about these pictures in this book i have its kind of a two-pronged question
First off its a book from 1969 about old aircraft from 1909 to 1969 and it has a lot of black and white pictures that don't have any citation or anything that would give credit to them so i assume they were promotional pictures for the planes by the company or something would i be able to use those so how would i go about doing that in a style acceptable for Wikipedia?

Secondly I'm curious if anybody knows a procedure to take a picture from a book upload it on the computer and make it a descent resolution for uploading on to Wikipedia does anyone know a program or something like that i could use for this endeavor? Thanks in advance! Shashenka (talk) 19:09, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Shashenka and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you can't upload and use those pictures on Wikipedia. Often, all the citations are at the back or the front of the book, rather than by the pictures, but still I'm afraid you can't use them, unless you can obtain information from the publisher, whether they own the copyright or not. This would require a written permission from them. Sorry to disappoint you. Adam Mugliston  Talk  19:24, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Need help with an article
I do not understand why an article has not been accepted - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Winner37/sandbox

There are some generic statements saying that this article "sounds like an advertisement." I am of the opinion that this is computer generated - probably because there is reference to many companies. Of course, the companies need to be named showing why the individual should be on Wikipedia - it is only a partial list, too. Am I correct that this is the reason?

There is also a comment about references. Are more needed? If so, how many? Seems to me that when rejecting an article that more specific details should be given. I will gladly meet the demands - if I know exactly what is needed. Otherwise I am only guessing and could make edits ad infinitum. Please let me know.

Thanks. Winner37 (talk) 16:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Winner, welcome to the Teahouse. Indeed, your article does sound a bit like an advert. This is because you have concentrated on the benefits and talk about his success. You do need more references, but there is no set amount. You need enough to verify every single piece of information. Hope this helps, Adam Mugliston  Talk  16:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)