Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 439

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Feargus_Hetherington
Good afternoon. I desperately need some help as my editor has abandoned me with the words 'you're on your own'. He became frustrated because I deleted his ref changes when I thought I was doing the right thing. Anyway - long story - I need someone to tell me that I'm doing OK. The first batch (down to Heisenberg were the changes I had made yesterday before he left me that message. The Heisenberg is as he had it (No 7 or 8). From there on today I've been trying to follow instructions from a different citation page which appear to work but they look very unruly with today's date showing. Is that date necessary or is there a way of hiding it? But first and foremost I would appreciate someone telling me that I'm doing them OK as there are still many to do.

Help would be much appreciated. Thank you. Balquhidder2013 (talk) 13:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry to hear about the troubles with the other editor; without wanting to sound trite, working together in a team of volunteers can be a surprisingly difficult task for all involved.  I ran your page through the "reFill" tool (with a little tweaking) and it has filled in just about all of them.  Only two bare URLs remain, and those will have to be filled in manually.  Of course, if those changes were not what you wanted then you can revert them from the "View History" tab.  If you have any further questions, please feel free to come back and ask.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I forgot to answer a part of your question. Yes, it is good to include the "accessdate" information; it can give readers in years to come an indication of how current (or otherwise) volatile information is.  I didn't because I don't know when you accessed the information to build the article, but if you want to add it then it should be simple to add "|accessdate=8 January 2016" (or whenever) into each citation, just like in the one for the Heisenberg Ensemble.  As a general rule, I try to include as much information as I can in the reference, because you never know who might use it later on.--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , you seem to have a misconception about Wikipedia. Someone apparently volunteered to help you, but unlike in the "real world", there is no "editor" as such. The term as used here applies to all the volunteers, including you.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

So, this one may be slightly humorous
Hello Teahouse. Would it be possible for an editor here to help me tidy up my user page? My knowledge of markup is pretty much negligible, but the page does look great on the mobile version! I'd really appreciate the help. Kindest regards, Chesnaught555 (talk) 20:41, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I added a few clear templates with this edit. This makes sure that each new section appears under the last, instead of colliding and overlapping. Hope this helps, ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 21:33, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Chesnaught555 (talk) 21:34, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

article rejection
My page continues to get rejected even when I have made the noted corrections. I am not sure how else to change the content becuase I am stating FACTS and then sighting them.

I would love some help so I can sucessfully have my post live on wikipedia.

Nisdaner (talk) 21:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The draft Draft:Jarrod Moses is just several faulty copies of the article in your user space. Please copy the full article just once with references.  You have already been told which sentence to remove, but you also seem to have copied what Jarrod has written about himself when you should have been finding articles written about him in Reliable sources.  Linkdin and alumni profiles are not the best references.  Try to use your own words rather than copy sentences, stick to facts, and avoid saying how great he claims to be. You need to write an encyclopaedia article, not promotional material. Have you read WP:Biographies of living persons?    D b f i r s   22:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It now appears that the draft was just deleted as G11, that is, unambiguous promotion. If you want to improve the article and resubmit it, you may ask to have it put in your user space by going to requests for undeletion, but learn from your mistakes, and don't submit drafts containing multiple copies of the same text, and remove promotional language.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:43, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * See User:Nisdaner/sandbox/Jarrod Moses.--ukexpat (talk) 02:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

There are almost no published sources on some parts of a person's life. What if I email a person and they give me info, can i use it in article?
I had a couple photos of a hollywood boulevard street theater guy, General Hershy Bar from the 1979-83 period. In researching about him, I found some info on wikipedia. Noted there was no pic and so donated my pics to the commons so that he'd have a pic on line. Then I started adding things I found out about him from doing research to his article. I have more to add still.

I was stymied on some areas of his life, so I found a guy that writes about him here and there around the net and contacted him. It turns out he as a good friend and neighbor of this guy General Hershy Bar. He has now provided me with lots of information. Much has been confirmed by my other sources on line. So I trust him.

Here is my question. How can I capture and use this info in the wikipedia article? I have been trying to be diligent about citing sources. I now know that he was married several times, I have some names and dates. Can I use that info? That is one of many examples.

Second question is that this person is now sending me lots of pics of the General that he scanned from the General's scrapbooks which the General gave him years ago. How can I use these images? The man has said I can use them and that he'd be happy to send the commons an email.

Thanks for helping. Diatom.phage (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, we require secondary published sources about an individual, so no, emails from this writer friend of the individual wouldn't be acceptable. If you'd like to add to the article, a better place to find info is on Google news.
 * About the pictures, if he owns copyright of them then he can release them to Commons. If he doesn't own the copyright, they'd probably get deleted. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 00:11, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * If the General owns the copyright, then he can license them if he chooses, by following the procedure in donating copyright materials, and then you can upload them. But it must be the copyright holder that does this. --ColinFine (talk) 00:25, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to answer. So, if I have a scrapbook of my life with snapshots of me, give it to someone, and then die(the general is dead)...the contents of the scrapbook with my snapshots are kinda lost in some black hole of rights management/determination issues. Because they are so lost, they can't be posted on the web and so likely disappear from the collective memory. That seems like a dang shame as some people's histories might be lost that shouldn't be.

I'll use the info from his friends to guide me to 'legit' published sources then. Thanks once again.Diatom.phage (talk) 06:29, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello . Yes, you are somewhat correct about a scrapbook. If it is about a person's life, then the photos it contains are probably taken by a variety of unknown photographers. We cannot use those photos without infringing on the valid copyrights of those unknown people or their heirs. Other websites or publishers may not have Wikipedia's high standards, and future legislation may be more lenient with "orphaned works", so maybe they will not be lost. Museums and libraries are other options for preservation. But if you legally inherit a portfolio of original photos or negatives taken by a known person such as an ancestor, then you are the copyright holder, and can freely license them at Wikimedia Commons, if you so choose. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  07:31, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

A request regarding fixing of errors from some files
Hi! I am SWASTIK 25. I'm an editor in Wikipedia. I'm facing problems regarding these files and seeking help to solve them. I am requesting someone to kindly fix the errors/problems from these four files given below:

File:Mohun Bagan other logo.png, File:Dadagiri Unlimited.png, File:CESC Logo.png, File:Mohun Bagan A.C. Logo.png

Please fix the errors from these, before they are deleted. Thank you. &mdash; SWASTIK 25 (User talk)  08:00, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Along with the license, for non-free (i.e. copyrighted) images, we've required an explanation of where the image is used and why it's permissible to use someone's copyrighted image in that way. What you should look at is Template:Non-free use rationale logo which has the details you need. I'd suggest looking at image pages for other logos as well since the exact language is pretty standard. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:16, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have replaced the images above by wikilinks, because it is never permitted to use a non-free image in a non-article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Kindly fix the errors from File:Mohun Bagan Logo.jpeg too. @ColinFine: Are the above files now permitted in the articles connected with it? &mdash; SWASTIK 25 (User talk)  12:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * . I have no idea. I have merely fixed something on this page which I know to be forbidden. I haven't looked at anything else. --ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I have provided non-free use rationales for Dadagiri Unlimited.png, CESC Logo.png, and Mohun Bagan A.C. Logo.png. But in my opinion no help is possible for Mohun Bagan other logo.png or Mohun Bagan Logo.jpeg. The solution I used for the other logos does not work for these because they are used in a gallery, and the use of non-free files is almost never acceptable in galleries. —teb728 t c 09:08, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

physics
how aging can be slow down at very high speed ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.160.118.24 (talk) 08:05, 13 January 2016‎ (UTC)
 * Hi . It sounds like you are trying to get us to do homework for you. We won't do your homework, but I can tell you that you may find a clue at time dilation. —teb728 t c 09:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Request for an article
An editor left the following question on my User Talk page:
 * Hi i have requested for an article Requested_articles/Business_and_economics/Companies. Its not been picked by any editor yet. What can i do next? MelitaFernandes (talk) 10:10, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't have any personal experience with the article request process, so I am copying it here in the hope that somebody here can be more help to MelitaFernandes.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The WP:Requested Articles process is very backlogged. Is there a WikiProject where you could ask for help?  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi I dont find any related wikiproject. Can someone help me out here? I have already worked on the draft. However, since i play a role as a content writer with the same oragnization, it is creating a conflict to write for my own company. Can someone please help me edit it. The article has been supported to by number of Third party resources

Thanks MelitaFernandes (talk) 10:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Here is the draft of the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Four_Fountains_De-Stress_Spa

MelitaFernandes (talk) 10:22, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * @Gronk Oz Thanks

MelitaFernandes (talk) 10:23, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Cambridge Journals
Hello. Does anyone know what happened to Cambridge Journals? I can't rent any of their articles, and buying them is 5x as expensive (they have ridiculous prices). Any ideas? I e-mailed them yesterday, but haven't received an answer yet. Peter238 (talk) 07:02, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Cambridge Journals appears to be paywalled (I know of few people actually willing to shell out for rentals...). You might consider asking for the articles you need at WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request. Many editors with university net access have subscriptions to that portal, and you will probably find that someone (e.g., myself) can provide you with a given article within the day.-- Elmidae  08:24, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Maybe they finally figured out that a 3-year-old child could bypass their "no saving" policy for rented articles. Peter238 (talk) 08:32, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * A friend of mine just told me that they're just fixing some kind of bug that affects Firefox, Chrome etc., but wasn't able to tell me when it will be fixed. So apparently it hasn't been paywalled. Peter238 (talk) 13:39, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Can't tell from here, since I do have free (University) access, but if there is a rental option at all, that does meet the definition of paywalled, I'd say - as opposed to free access. Unless you do want to pay for rental, I suggest popping over to Resource request, and you should get the lot for free :) (or let me know directly and I can probably do it right now).-- Elmidae  13:47, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks for the offer, but my question was just a general one. I don't think I need anything from CJ yet. Peter238 (talk) 14:04, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Article Rejected Twice
Hello Teahouse! I have submitted this article twice with no luck of securing a Wikipedia page. I would greatly appreciate anyone who has the time to read and add suggestions on how to make it better. The comments given thus far are vary vague. I am looking for more detail.

The page is for a real estate developer, David Johnson. I was also wondering if submitting a page for his development company first would give him more credibility and thus his own page. I would appreciate feedback on this as well.

Here is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:David_V._Johnson

Thank you for your help! Kperezz (talk) 19:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Basically, not every person can have an article on Wikipedia. You may want to see WP:42 for a simple guideline, or WP:GNG for the actual policy of inclusion. sst  ✈  14:10, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Proposed change to Wikipedia: asking a question, receiving an answer
I have worked up a proposed change to Wikipedia, wherein a person would be able to easily ask a question about a subject (article) and receive answers from people who volunteer to assist. I have posted it on my talk page as I am not sure where to post it. Zedshort (talk) 20:46, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello . Great to have new ideas and innovation here! In this case the Reference_desks may well already fulfil much of your proposal! :) --LukeSurlt c 20:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback, but I think what you pointed me toward completely fails. The whole reference desk thing strikes me a very clunkey; far better to have the question-answer dialogue conducted in as close association with the article from whence the questions arose. The vast majority of readers don't even know that the reference desk exists, much less how to find it. So, the question remains, "Where should such a proposal be posted?" Zedshort (talk) 01:31, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Try WP:VPR maybe?--ukexpat (talk) 02:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Zedshort (talk) 15:12, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Can someone fix the problem below?
When I am looking for information about the Atomic Bomb blast at Bikini Atoll, Wikipedia has no information on it. But if I search for Operation Crossroads all the information is right there. Wikipedia needs a reference or re-direct from Atomic Bomb or Bikini Atoll to Operation Crossroads.138.207.201.158 (talk) 06:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi there! Thanks for the question. The page Bikini atomic tests redirects to Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll, which includes information about the nuclear testing at the Atoll. It appears the testing there was significant enough to have its own article.  CatcherStorm    talk   06:22, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Bikini Atoll describes the atoll in general, and contains a link to Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll. Rojomoke (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * There was no link from the History section of Nuclear weapon to Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll, so I have added this.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Creating a new page
I want to create a page about Vitale boarding primary school, I have created a draft kindly guide me on how to proceedMutisoCNdolo (talk) 13:57, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. There are a number of useful links on your user talk page.  In particular you need to read WP:Your first article and WP:NOTPROMOTION. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:12, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Need Help Uploading Images
I am new to wiki. I am not sure how to upload images or create the footnotes. Is there someone that can assist me with these matters? Thanks 679699sof (talk) 23:23, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The question must be about footnotes about images, because the footnotes on Adriana Sanford are satisfactory. Can someone provide the guidelines on uploading images?  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:33, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Please refer to Wikipedia:Image use policy and Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/1 for some general information on uploading images to Wikipedia and using them in articles. Also, please try and understand that using images can be tricky due to copyright issues. Even though you may find that you can download images from other websites or social media pages for "free" (in other words, without any monetary cost to you), it is very likely that these images are still protected by copyright and therefore would be unsuitable for upload to Wikipedia, except as possibly non-free content, without receiving explicit permission from the copyright holder. Since you've said you are new to Wikipedia, I suggest that you ask specific questions about specific images at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions (WP:MCQ) before uploading anything to just to play it safe. It's easy to mistake copyrighted images for freely licensed images if you're not too familiar with what to look for and there are experienced editors at WP:MCQ who are more than happy to help you figure out which is which. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it would a be a great idea for you to try the Wikipedia Adventure. Happy wiki-ing! Ramthecowy (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Article rejected twice
Hello! I've edited my page two times now, and though it very much feels and sounds like the other pages on Wikipedia, it keeps getting rejected, saying it lacks notability and verifiable sources. I have included many third-party sources. Here is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eagle_Hill_Consulting_LLC Can someone please help give me some guidance? I have it sourced and referenced and it's accurate. Why is it still not being accepted? Thank you so much in advance! Bsmith1052 (talk) 19:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Bsmith1052. Please accept my apologies that no one has replied to your question yet. Have you had a read of Notability (organizations and companies)? Without having looked at the sources you cite in the draft in detail, I suspect that the problem is that not enough of them discuss Eagle Hill Consulting in sufficient depth to constitute significant coverage (which requires more than just a passing mention). Cordless Larry (talk) 21:07, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

What to do to use a special character
I have need to use a combining acute accent and a combining dieresis (two superscript dots, in Spanish used over theu), in the article tilde. In this help page I cannot find how to do it or even where to go to to find out how to do it. The page on "Inserting Special Characters" does not help. There are lots of interesting characters in the Insert menus at the bottom of my edit screens on WP, but not those. I am using the Safari browser on IOS 9.1. I imagine I have to type in something like { {Unicode|some hex number}}, but I don't know what. deisenbe deisenbe (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Diesnbe, thanks for your question. Are you referring to ü?  If you are using "edit source," It should be under the "special characters menu" under the Latin subheader; there is a scroll bar on the right side to show more characters in the list than the top set (starting with Á, á, À, à, etc.)  As you said, there is also Template:Unicode which has relevant documentation page there.  At worst, there you can always open up word processor and copy-and-paste, but the character is definitely available in special characters.  Take care, I, JethroBT drop me a line 19:13, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I'm sorry, I misread the combination aspect of your question, my apologies. Give the template a try if you're aware of a hex code for the character first, I'd say.  Alternatively, a copy-paste may be the way to go if you're aware of another source where this character appears. I, JethroBT drop me a line 19:16, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! It looks as if you want to use one of these    &#769; and one of these     &#776; . You might find one of these &acute; and one of these &uml; easier to handle, though. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Greetings and, another somewhat backdoor solution would be to click on Wikipedia Main page, then on left sidebar-Languages section click on Español link which will display the entire page in Spanish. From there you can choose the special characters you are looking for. Regards,  JoeHebda   talk  21:30, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , I may be missing something, but I JethroBT's first answer appears to me to be correct. The ǘ character is indeed available if you select "Latin" in the drop-down menu below the edit screen. Just place the cursor where you want the character to go and click the character. Deor (talk) 22:11, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

The characters I need are at Combining diacritical marks. But I can't figure out how to insert them in a WP article. deisenbe (talk) 04:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you mean a stand-alone combining character and not combined with a letter? Most browsers can copy-paste characters but I don't know Safari on IOS. If you know the Unicode number like U+0308 then you can write the html entity  to produce &#x0308;. Help:Special characters links to http://shapecatcher.com/ where you can draw characters to get their Unicode number. There may be a lot of suggested matches. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry I wasn't clearer. Yes, I do want the two dots and accent without the characters underneath. This for an article on typewriter keyboards. See if you're interested Tilde.

In the table at Combining Diacritical Marks, the first line, undef the 8. That's the two dots (dieresis). Exactly what do I type to use this character in a WP article? How browsers display it is irrelevant. Then I'm going to put it on the Help Special Characters page because it sure ain't there.

I looked at the code for that page and all I found was a template and I have no idea what to do.

In fact, I also need the 1/2 and 1/4 symbols. Much too obsolete to be on the Symbols or Mathematical menus. Anybody know how to do them? Funny to think of characters becoming obsolete, but I think they are, just like Bell and Blink bytes. deisenbe (talk) 11:59, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, 1/2 and 1/4 do appear under symbols: ½ ¼.  Is the toolbar not displaying correctly or something?  This is what it looks like for me.  I, JethroBT drop me a line 12:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

They're definitely not on the Symbols menu as I see it using Chrome on IOS (iPhone) 9.1. I'll double check Safari but I'm pretty sure the toolbar is the same. I can't see yours. I get a pop-up menu with options about what to do with a .png file, but "view it" is not among them. I don't understand this as the iPhone uses .png for screenshots. Seeing the code of what I'm writing and what you wrote above it, the characters 1/2 1/4 appear, not the code to produce these characters. Unfortunately blocking and pasting on the iPhone is a pain in the ass. deisenbe (talk) 12:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Deisenbe, apparently the Unicode number for a combining dieresis and a combining acute together is U+0344, which produces &#x0344;. It doesn't (with the font I'm using) look exactly like the combination of diacritics in the ǘ character, but I can't find anything closer. Deor (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, I got it. It's &#x followed by a 4 digit hex number followed by ; gives me the character I want, which is 308:   &#x0308;. Since I'm pretty sure Unicode has more than FFFF characters, this can't be the whole story, but it's good enough for now. I see now how to use the Template:Unicode. Thanks to all who helped, I'm amazed at how hard this was. deisenbe (talk) 13:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

The article has been fixed. All I need now is the code for non-breaking space, if there is one; hopefully the browser will honor that before the character, since it won't honor spaces. deisenbe (talk) 13:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Dependable WP has an article on the non-breaking space. It's Unicode 00A0. I was too old for Morse code (used for telegraph and primitive radios), but I sure did know the MT/ST. Which means you know of characters like that. deisenbe (talk) 13:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The simplest way to input a non-breaking space is
 * No arbitrary numbers to memorize. See List of XML and HTML character entity references.
 * --01:16, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * --01:16, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, KylieTastic, I see it is working now. You Rock, and I promise not to break it again.

Additionally, the image is now flagged for speedy deletion, and I am about to post a defense of the image to the file's Talk section. in uploading it, I researched all non-free fair use rationales that pertained to a publicity photo, and attempted to place the rationale correctly in the Upload Wizard. But apparently I did not do it correctly. Any advice? A2Ypsi (talk) 23:12, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Unable to add Infobox Image
Hello experienced editors,

I am attempting to upload and add an image to musician Randy Barlow's entry page. I have uploaded the image to English Wikipedia, with a non-free:promotional (publicity photo) rationale. I may or may not have done this correctly, but the image file did upload.

The image file is named Randy Barlow country music singer 1979.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Randy-Barlow-country-music-singer-1979.jpg#Summary

I have researched how to add an image for infobox musical artist but my result is that file name text appears instead of the image: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Barlow

Below is the portion of the info box code pertaining to the image: {{Infobox musical artist What am I doing wrong? Thank you in advance!
 * name               = Randy Barlow
 * image              = Randy Barlow country music singer 1979.jpg
 * caption            = Randy Barlow, 1979
 * image_size         =

A2Ypsi (talk) 22:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi A2Ypsi I fixed the image from your uploads, but then you broke it again, so I re-fixed. To find out the names of files you have uploaded, click on 'Contributions' (top right) then click on uploads (top left) i.e. Special:ListFiles/A2Ypsi. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 22:46, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Note that the image has been speedily deleted because of an invalid non-free use rationale.--ukexpat (talk) 01:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Is the information provided neutral?
Hi,

I am currently working on the 'SULA VINEYARDS' wiki page in order to compile some information on the company for a school project. I wanted to verify whether the text I provided is alirght, and sounds neutral.

How can I go about this?

Is it possible to send in a section at a time for editing?

Thanks, Nikki

Finivino1000 (talk) 11:16, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Convenience link: . Maproom (talk) 11:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I see that both and  have tidied the article after you. I'm not sure what you mean by "send in a section at a time for editing"; but you can certainly edit a section at a time: you should have an 'Edit' link by the side of each section of the article (except the first, unless you have turned on the preference that gives you that link). --ColinFine (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Article declined because there's already one with the same name in the making
Good day, everyone! First I wanted to thank you for your great work. I've been using Wikipedia for a very long time now and spent hours and hours just reading its interesting content.

Yesterday I've created my first article and submitted it for review. It was declined because there's already an article with the same title in the making, namely an article about a Mark Atkin. I read the other article and it's not about the same Mark Atkin. The other Mark Atkin works in a similar field, but it's definitely not the same person. Would renaming my article to Mark Atkin (actor) help?

OMichiO OMichiO (talk) 03:37, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * re: User:OMichiO/sandbox/Mark Atkin. GoingBatty (talk) 03:42, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The existence of an article, or in this case another draft, about a different Mark Atkin, would not be a reason for declining your proposed article.  If your article  were accepted, it would be moved into article space with a name such as the one you propose: "Mark Atkin (actor)". But your work was not "declined": the decision was to consider the other submission first, probably because the reviewer assumed both were about the same Mark Atkin. So renaming your sandbox would not help.
 * I should warn you that I have seen proposed articles on stunt doubles declined for lack of notability. It's the actors who get the headlines and the articles, while the guys who do the dangerous stuff get overlooked. But this is a field that I know nothing about, I have no view on whether Thorin Oakenshield's stunt double qualifies as notable. Maproom (talk) 08:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * @Maproom Thank you for your reply! I understand. Is it better to wait until the issue with the same name is clearified in order to re-submit the article later?

What you said about notability is true. Mr. Atkin is well known by fans of The Hobbit movies because he's the stunt/scale double for the lead actor. The Hobbit fandom is very interested in the people behind the scenes, but I know that this isn't always the case, as you've pointed out. Meanwhile I will work further on the article. Thank you so much, you really helped me a lot!

OMichiO (talk) 09:30, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . In answer to your first question: no, don't wait: the naming will be sorted out when the articles are accepted and moved to main space. I suggest you put (exactly like that, with the double curly brackets) at the top - this will give notice to any reviewer that they are not the same person, and will in any case be needed once the article is accepted (though the target will need to be changed).
 * In response to your last paragraph: I'm not sure whether it shows that you do or don't understand about what notability means in Wikipedia. To make it clear: it doesn't matter how well known somebody is among a particular fandom, or even in the world at large: unless unconnected people have written about them at length, and published in reliable places, Wikipedia does not consider them notable. --ColinFine (talk) 18:38, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Thank you for answering my questions! It helped me a lot. Sorry, I wasn't clear. Yes, I meant I understand that though he is known in a fandom it doesn't mean he is known outside this particular fandom and that notability depends on reliable sources. I'll review my sources again regarding reliability! Thank you all for helping me!

OMichiO (talk) 18:53, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

'This article has multiple issues'
Hello there,

I'm very new to Wikipedia, but i've made my first entry and i have received a message saying that 'This article has multiple issues'

sorry to be noob, but i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong, i was wondering if someone could help me out?

Thanks a million Cheers Mike 81.135.215.169 (talk) 13:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi. It really would help if you told us the article you are asking a question about. You can add a wikilink to it by putting article/draft name brackets around the name.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, Mike, and welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. The first thing I would say is that I would always recommend new editors to start by editing existing articles before they plunge into the difficult feat of creating a new article: we have five million articles, and most of them could be improved.
 * Secondly, as says, we could help you better if you told us which article: often we can look at your contributions history, but either you have logged out since working on the article, or else you created it without logging in (which is fine) but now have a different IP address (either you're on a different machine, or your computer gets allocated its IP address dynamically) so we can't find your contributions from your current IP address.
 * Thirdly, that message (we call it a maintenance tag) was added by a human editor. It should be followed by two or more separate issues, each of which should have some text in blue in it, which is a link to the page explaining what the issue is. Alternatively, if you pick 'View History' at the top of the article, you should see who the editor was who added those message, and you can ask them - pick the link that says "Talk" by their name, and you can start a new section on their User Talk page, asking them for clarification.
 * You might find it helpful to read your first article; and if you created the article directly in main space (so that the title of the page was simple the title of the article, and doesn't have 'Draft:' or 'User: /' in front of it) I strongly advise using the Article wizard to create your draft in one of those spaces, where you can work on it in relative safety. --ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Newbie, how do I move my edit-a-thon page out of Sandbox & publish it
I'm building a page for my nonprofit educational organization's March 12 Edit-a-thon. I've been working on it for a couple of weeks in my Sandbox, but I've never published anything on Wikipedia before, so I don't know how to move something out of the Sandbox and and make it well and truly public. There's a little blue button on my user sandbox that says "submit your draft for review" but when I click that it gives me a new page that contains everything in my sandbox, including a junk I was experimenting with but that has nothing whatsoever to do with our edit-a-thon. How can I make a brand-new-page that has nothing on it but our Edit-a-thon? If I copy and paste, will I lose all the links and HTML styles that I so carefully inserted in the Sandbox? 173.76.34.2 (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't told us which account you were using when you created your user sandbox.  Try logging in to your account and letting us know, so that we can look at the sandbox concerned. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Rough draft of list article: any problems?
Hello, I have a ROUGH, INCOMPLETE draft of an article I'm writing "List of datasets for machine learning research" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Datakeeper/sandbox/List_of_datasets_for_machine_learning_research

The goal of the article is to start collecting the most noteworthy machine learning datasets used in research. Most datasets do not have their own page, and what is far more useful for readers is external links to the datasets themselves. I am familiar with the Wikipedia "NOT A DIRECTORY" and "NOT A RESPOSITORY" policies, and so I have tried to make this page so that is not either of these things. The completed page will contain the most noteworthy datasets used for research in each of the prospective fields. Given the surge in popularity of machine learning and data science, I believe a collection like this is noteworthy and would be highly useful to the community.

I was hoping to appeal to the expert editors on here. Given your extensive experience and knowledge about Wikipedia and its policies, do you see any glaring errors or problems with a having a page like this? Thank you Datakeeper (talk) 22:02, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Datakeeper, and welcome to the Teahouse. I wouldn't describe myself as an expert editor and don't have huge amounts of experience with lists, but I can give my perspective from what experience I do have. One of the problems with some lists of important or notable things is a lack of clear inclusion criteria, and hence the lists can be considered original research (because what gets included are the things that the editor who created the list think is important, rather than what reliable sources think is important). Take a look at Stand-alone lists on this. Ideally, you could rely on a source that clearly states which datasets are most noteworthy. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:37, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input Cordless Larry. I appreciate the time you took to review my case. How does "data sets must have appeared in peer reviewed academic literature" sound to you? Thanks again to anyone who can comment. Datakeeper (talk) 20:06, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Unable to edit due to conflict of interest
I have a lot of information that needs to be submitted. However, unable to edit due to conflict of interest.

How can I submit updated information for a celebrity that I represent? Joey Dee — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeyDee123 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello. It is hard to give advice without knowing which celebrity. If there is already an article about them, post the information and sources on the talk page to be assessed by other editors. Happy Squirrel (talk) 01:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If there is already an article, then, as mentioned, you can provide the information, preferably well-sourced, on the talk page. Requested Articles is an option, but is very very very backlogged.  If you have well-sourced information and are certain of the notability of the celebrity, you could write an article draft at Articles for Creation, but declare your connection by putting a  template on the article, and probably you should state your connection on the talk page of the draft, and that you will not be further editing the draft.  That is, let other editors edit the draft relentlessly until it is neutral.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * By the way, I commend you for being aware of the conflict of interest policy and for asking how to address it. I wouldn't normally even advise creating a draft, but you seem to be a reasonable good-faith editor, as too many editors with conflict of interest are not.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The article in question is Joey Dee and the Starliters where had been  adding promotional content. Please use the article's talk page instead. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  07:58, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you Joey Dee? If so, you don't represent the celebrity because you are the celebrity.  If not, then signing yourself as Joey Dee is misleading.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, and . Somewhere I read that  is Joey Dee's manager. Cheers!   21:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Trying to zero in on my edits
I thought I'd come up with independent verifiable sources for my article about the Maine Blues Festival (draft in my sandbox) but I keep getting "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability."

This is the only festival of it's kind, certainly in Maine, if not the Northeast, New England or the country but I figure it's notable due to the size, success and local musicians involved. Maybe I'm tagging the articles incorrectly? Or maybe it's just not as notable as I believe it is.RonaldPerryGill (talk) 17:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * This must be about Draft:Maine Blues Festival (which is not in a sandbox). Here in Wikipedia, notability is established by discussions of the subject in reliable independent published sources. If you can find references to these, then the subject is notable. Size and uniqueness are irrelevant, unless discussed in such sources. Maproom (talk) 21:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse . The article Draft:Maine Blues Festival needs a lot of work. At least you have some references now. The article is long enough to support a lead section which should be a nickel tour of the entire article. The article is long enough to support some sections. I will go add a couple now. Once you have four or more sections the backend of Wikipedia will automatically create a nice table-of-contents (TOC) for your article. Keep plugging away until your article is ready for the Wikipedia main namespace. Cheers!  21:37, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Use of Obscene Lanuage by Admins
Are Wikipedia Administrators permitted to use obscene, profane, and abusive language when dealing with other editors? I was very surprised to come across this, since this kind of thing would never be permitted in my workplace environment. SimpsonDG (talk) 23:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi SimpsonDG simple answer no its not. Civility applies to all. However sometimes what one person calls "obscene, profane, and abusive" may not be seen as such by others, and without context (diffs), we can not say if the language used was out of order. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 00:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * As KylieTastic said, we can't tell what you're talking about without diffs, . If you think the admin was truly acting out of line, you can report it to WP:ANI. Wikipedia has a strict no personal attacks policy and such behavior is definitely not condoned. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 00:34, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Basically, this Admin told an editor (on the Admin's Talk Page) to "F**k off" and in his edit comments, "Go f**k yourself". I can tell you that kind of language would not be tolerated in my workplace at all. SimpsonDG (talk) 00:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , in referring someone to ANI, you maybe should refer them also to WP:BOOMERANG, because frequently there will be bad blood between the questioner and other person which will come out at ANI. —teb728 t c 01:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You might want to check out this discussion to see how others have weighed in on this topic before. Some editors argue that Wikipedia should not be like a workplace, or that such terms are not OK to direct at folks personally, but that it shouldn't be a profanity-free zone.  I'm an admin, so if you'd like me to talk to the other admin in question, feel free to get in touch with me. I, JethroBT drop me a line 02:33, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I did report this to WP:ANI, and the response was to have a couple of other admins pig-pile on me for reporting the abuse -- as if I was the problem. One administrator advised me to just drop it, since this particular Admin has had this issue for years, and nobody will do anything about it.  I get the sense that admins are circling the wagons to defend their own, and nobody is going to do anything.  I dropped my complaint.  There's clearly just too much corruption going on there to expect that anything will be done. SimpsonDG (talk) 03:00, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * On the one hand, I do think that Wikipedia should be a profanity-free zone, and I strongly disagree with those editors who think that it need not be. They may feel repressed because they are not allowed to use profanity at their own workplaces.  On the other hand, it appears that this ANI report was more than a year ago.  Waiting a very long time and then trying to re-open a matter is not useful.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:05, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the AN/I report is current, Robert McClenon. See here. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The previous diff was to a 2014 discussion. User:Cordless Larry is right that there is a current discussion.  However, now that the original poster has currently filed at WP:ANI, bringing this also to the Teahouse is forum shopping.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:03, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That seems to be a similar discussion about a different user. Anyway, Robert is right that this only needs to be discussed in one place! Cordless Larry (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Talk about being taken for a ride. This discussion is taking place in at least three simultaneous areas now, all because no-one got their pound of flesh at AN/I; which, it has been correctly stated, is the proper place for such reports. Some would define trolling as asking questions to which one already knows the answer... <sub style="color:green;">Fortuna <sup style="color:red;">Imperatrix Mundi  17:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Since this is the Teahouse where we welcome and encourage newer editors. may not be aware of forum shopping and that having a discussion in three different areas is against the 'guidelines'. Implying that this new editor didn't get their 'pound of flesh' is insulting, because this newer editor 'may not already know the answer'. This newer editor may not be aware of how to search the archives for previous discussions. if you go to the user page of  you will read his/her announcement that they are no longer editing. This is unfortunate because this person described themselves as a physicist. He/she created three articles and hundreds of other edits. I usually don't share my opinion about anything on WP (mostly because this is not the place for such things) but this a very bad case of biting, insulting and creating a semi-hostile editing environment for this now past-editor.
 * <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#90EE90;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkgray 0px 3px 3px;"> Bfpage &#124;leave a message 13:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , The editor has been around since 2007, so about as long as you. Do you consider yourself a "new editor"? Also, they have had that retirement message on their user page since 2011, so it has nothing to do with this thread at all. It would suit you to do at least a minimal amount of research before you accuse other editors of "newbie biting".--Atlan (talk) 16:25, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for visiting the Teahouse, and I hope we can help answer your concerns. The date the now non-contributing editor began is not relevant but the increased involvement and article creation, their scientific expertise was relevant. At the point in time, whenever that was, that I had the same number of edits as the now-non-contributing editor, I had no clue to what a 'guideline', 'discussion area', ANI or any of the other terms we expect someone with under a thousand edits to fully comprehend. And yes, ironically, I DO (oops...shouting!) consider myself a new editor. If you take a look at my editing history, I really did not become fully involved until just a few years ago. Wow! I remember the bites, the un-decipherable acronyms, the assumption that a question is answered by a blue WP link. Until I began editing in more contentious areas, medical articles of all things, I did not even know what an administrator was! I now know better. Oh yeah, I have bite marks all over me. I'm an older editor and in real life I am used to courtesy, politeness, manners, consideration and even before becoming an editor I 'believed' in good faith. If someone would ask me where have I been the most insulted, misrepresented, humiliated during my 57 years, yep, this is the place. I hate to lose another smart, good editor because they got sliced and diced right here in the friendliest place on Wikipedia - the Teahouse. Oh btw, I find your response vaguely insulting: *if I had done my research...hmmm. Everyone should do their research and you probably shouldn't be in the Teahouse unless you are able to hand out compliments as freely as insults. The Very Best of Regards,
 * <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#90EE90;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkgray 0px 3px 3px;"> Bfpage &#124;leave a message 22:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)