Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 447

Request for article: Ricardo Montalbán Theatre
referenced in articles: Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 16:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Montalbán Theatre - Search results - Wikipedia
 * montalban theater - Search results - Wikipedia
 * Doolittle Theater - Search results - Wikipedia
 * Huntington Hartford Theater - Search results - Wikipedia


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. If you are requesting that someone should write an article, the place for such requests is Requested articles. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ChhenglyNightWind (talk • contribs) 01:07, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

How to use Convert temperature for range
5.0 C yields "5.0 C", but what I want is the conversion for a temperature range, that is, "5.0 °C (9.0 °F)". How can I achieve this goal? Cldorian (talk) 01:10, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * See Convert, the section on how to do a range. should be something like 5 - 9 C to get 5-9 degress C converted to F.  I'm not sure what you mean by 5C (9F).  RudolfRed (talk) 01:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

I do not mean range in the sense of from 5 to 9, I mean delta T = 5. Five degrees Centigrade equals 41 degrees Farenheit, by the formula F = 9 * C / 5 + 32, but a difference of 5 degrees Centigrade is a difference of 9 degrees Farenheit. Can that be expressed with the Convert template? Cldorian (talk) 01:42, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Refer: 10.3	Units of difference - the answer is to append "-change" to the unit specifiers e.g. "C-change", "F-change" etc. Wsierke (talk) 04:02, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * To be more clear, the code for that would be, which would produce 5 C-change. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 08:07, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination
Hi! My Template:Did you know nominations/Mustafizur Rahman's expansion date was 22 January. But still it isn't reviewed! Is it eligible now? Or should I change its date to 25 January when it got GA status. Thanks in advance! Ikhtiar H (talk) 02:45, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Since this eligible according to the WP:DYK, I can do this. Ikhtiar H (talk) 04:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. As it says here, DYK nominations are frequently backlogged due to lack of reviewers. But I'm sure someone will review it eventually. Best, -- Chamith   (talk)  04:46, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't be concerned about the length of time waiting for a review, - the deadline for DYKs is to raise the nomination. That was met easily - the article was listed as a GA on 25 January, and the DYK nomination was just two days later. Once that was done, the rest of the process will go along in its own time.
 * However, you might wish to make a slight change to the "hook" you have used. The hook currently says that he "is the only player to receive Man of the match..." (my emphasis) but the reference does not quite support that statement - it says that he is the first player to have that distinction.  Being the first is not quite the same as being the only one, even though in fact he may be both (at least for a time).  I'm sorry if it sounds pedantic, but some DYK reviewers are quite strict about the reference supporting the hook exactly, since it will be on the front page of Wikipedia.  So your nomination might go through the review more smoothly if the hook is changed to say that he "was the first player to receive Man of the match..."--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:55, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks and  for your cautions. I have put an alternative hook regarding you nitpicking. (I did not mean fussy!) Ikhtiar H (talk) 08:37, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia Kabiyè
For the past 18 months, I've been working with some friends on the Kabiye Wikipedia, which now has over 200 articles in it. But it's still in the incubator (https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/kbp/Main_Page), and we're not sure what happens next. How do we get it on to the Wikipedia platform? Can someone guide us through the process please? Gnangbade (talk) 16:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Gnangbade. Please see Requests for new languages and Language proposal policy. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:40, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Article titles
I would like to know how to change the titles of articles please. Gnangbade (talk) 16:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello! It is called moving and is found under the More tab (beside the watchlist star). However, please make sure the move is uncontroversial or has consensus before moving. Suggesting moves first is considered best practice. All the best. Happy Squirrel (talk) 16:32, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . Thanks for your reply. The move may indeed be controversial, so how do I suggest a move? Gnangbade (talk) 16:39, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Gnangbade. You can make a request by following the instructions at Requested moves. It's always better if you tell us the specifics of any request – what page is involved and here what you think it should be moved to – so we have the ability to offer targeted advice. In its absence, please review generally the article titling policy. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:44, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I need to start an ArticleAawere12345 (talk) 17:08, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Editing and Reverts
I edited the article Islamic schools and branches with proper citation, but it was reverted. I've tried 3 times to create an article on MPCStar player. It kept on deletion with objection of Promotion. Today I edited List of Muslim scholars and included Yousuf Gabriel in it, Now it has reverted.

Even no logical reason is given there on my talk page or on article's talk page.

Kindly Guide me what's going on...

Adil --M J Adil 17:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Your addition of Yousuf Gabriel to List of modern-day Muslim scholars of Islam was reverted with the edit summary of "No evidence that he's a notable scholar". The reversion was done by an experienced editor working on Islamic topics who speaks the relevant languages, . Perhaps that editor might explain in more detail. I will look into the other matters. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  18:58, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I see that you had a conversation with GorgeCustersSabre on that editor's talk page and the reasons for the reversion were explained quite clearly to you there.
 * Your edit to Islamic schools and branches in August, 2015 did not include a reference to a reliable source. As for your attempts to create an article about the MPCStar player, there are quite a few messages from various editors on your own talk page that explain the problems to you. It is very difficult for a relatively new editor to write an acceptable article about a commercial product, especially if English is not your first language. I encourage you to read Your first article, study the neutral point of view, and use the Articles for creation process for writing drafts of new articles for review by more experienced editors. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  19:36, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Untitled
Can I report someone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neonhorseranch (talk • contribs) 19:54, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, ! I'm glad that you have found your way to the Teahouse. I'm going to suggest that instead of worrying about reporting people, you go straight to our policy page about copyright, and take good notice of what it says. If it's not completely clear or you have any questions, please ask here. The content you added to Arabian horse and to Akhal-Teke‎ was not just inappropriate to an encyclopaedia, but was copied word-for-word from a book published in 2002. Once that's clear, the links in the message left for you by  may help you to understand a little more about how to contribute here. Enjoy Wikipedia! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Xenophobia
I created a Somali version of xenophobia (here) yet I was unable to later link it with other languages. Do you need an account for that? 92.10.224.67 (talk) 16:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello person editing from 224.67. Look to the bottom left hand side of that page. You should see there "Languages", and underneath that "Ku dar linkiyada". That will provide a guided way to link it to other language entries through the Wikidata project. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:50, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Tried that already. 92.10.224.67 (talk) 17:26, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user. I don't know why you had a problem: I have just successfully linked it. I answered "en" to Language, and "Xenophobia" to "article". Not only did it link it to the English, but to a number of others that the English article was already linked to., --ColinFine (talk) 23:15, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

reviving old talk threads
I would like to revive several dormant threads on two talk pages. Is there a standard procedure for asking former participants if they are still interested? Is it improper to address them on their user pages? Thanks.TBR-qed (talk) 15:21, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse.  I am not aware of any hard-and-fast rules covering this, and the approach may depend on whether the original discussion has been closed or archived.
 * If the original discussion is still available (not closed or active), then my approach would be to continue it there, and ping the original editors to alert them to the new discussion. Alternatively, as you say, you could alert them on their talk page.  Either way, it is best to keep the actual discussion in the same place as the original, so it forms a coherent thread for other readers - don't swap back and forth between different talk pages.
 * If the original discussion was archived, then I would start a new topic on the original Talk page. Include a link to the original topic so people don't have to go over old ground again, and notify the previous editors using ping or their User Talk pages, as above.
 * If the previous conversation has been closed, then be sure you have something new to offer - don't just continue a conversation which has been closed. If you're satisfied that what you have to say is new and relevant, then I would proceed as for the archived option above.  I hope this helps; if you have further questions then please ask again.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Relax Listen Submission (Re: Robert McClenon editorial comment)
Hi. How do I make an entry about a musicians work without it being mistaken for a biography? Also the references that can be supplied to prove that these works exist are not only the artists website but also online stores such as iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, Microsoft music store etc, it is not my intention that this article is to be used to advertise only as a reference. I have based the article around a discography, what else is needed? Any help in resolving this would be much appreciatedRelaxlisten (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You ask how you can make an entry about a musician's work without it being mistaken for a biograph. The answer is by not using the same name for your user account as the musician.  Either you are Relax Listen, in which case it is an autobiography, or you are not Relax Listen, in which case you should request a change in user name.  Also, you say that the references that these works exist are not only the artist's web site but also online stores.  You didn't cite on-line stores, but on-line stores are not reliable sources as to musical notability anyway.  You need multiple third-party independent reliable sources.  You also need to address the username issue.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Proving something exists is not very relevant for Wikipedia, : not everything that exists merits an article (and, in fact, some things that don't exist do merit articles, eg Unicorns). You need to show that reliable independent sources have talked about the subject, not just mentioned or listed it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:21, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The first and most important task of the writer of a Wikipedia article about a musical performer, band or group is to demonstrate, through the references in the article, that the topic meets our notability guideline for musical performers. Shortcomings in articles about indisputably notable performers can easily be overcome by routine editing. On the other hand, nothing can save an article about a performer who does not meet that guideline. When I did a quick search for sources about Relax Listen, I found plenty of social media sources controlled by the performer, but no significant coverage in independent sources. It is all about the quality and depth of coverage in independent, reliable sources. Everything else is secondary. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  08:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

uploading picture failed
Hello, I made my introduction to the Tea House but see that my picture is mentioned as a file name, but not displayed. I hope someone can help me out on this. (The picture was uploaded to Wiki Commons already). Wagfermwp (talk) 08:29, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse . I see the picture at Teahouse/Guests/Left column. —teb728 t c 09:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Wagfermwp. commons:File:Rob Nout P1020686.JPG wasn't displayed because it has upper case JPG while you wrote jpg at Teahouse/Guests/Left column. File:Rob Nout P1020686.jpg has the right name but was uploaded after your edit to Teahouse/Guests/Left column. In such cases, the page may need a purge to be rendered again. It has been rerendered by now, also Teahouse/Guests. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help Wagfermwp (talk) 13:10, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

how to cite
I have been rejected twice for my submission regarding Stephen Parsons. The reason for the rejection is not properly cited sources, BUT the info I have is from personal conversations with Stephen Parsons NOT from outside sources. How do I cite personal conversations/notes which are direct with the person I'm trying to write about?Mother79 (talk) 02:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse.  I have bad news, I'm afraid.  Wikipedia's first and most fundamental policy is that the information here must be verifiable, which means that "anyone using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source".  Personal conversations cannot be verified, so that information is not suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:19, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Signature formatting?
Hello, I have seen a few more experienced editors on Wikipedia with fancy signatures, colors and all. How would one get a colorful signature themselves? I see there is a spot in the preferences for changing the signature, but what would the wiki code be for a formatted username? What would one put there if one wanted colors, bold, etc.? --ElementBroccoli (talk) 00:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . We have a guideline on signatures that has a section on Customizing your signature that should be helpful to you. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  08:14, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

rejection of a draft I started creating
A draft is rejected four times now. i need help in citations.Contentwriter qip (talk) 06:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I suggest that you study Referencing for beginners and format all of those bare URLs into fleshed out references. You may also find Your first article to be worth studying. It is your responsibility to show that the topic is notable as Wikipedia defines that term. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  08:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

My newly edited page received a "speedy deletion" - how do I remedy this?
I want to know what I've overlooked in terms of guidelines. It has been seen as meeting criteria for speedily deletion for "lack of asserted importance". However, the subject of Epoch Collapse, I consider to be of significance as it is a multimedia and music project (or band) that is contributing to genres in music that are still developing and expanding significantly. There are a number of online releases listed on the page that have some cultural value and a reference (and link) to an article that has been published on The Kubrick Site, I can hardly see that that is lacking in importance. I see the page as an ongoing work and to be updated frequently. Perhaps there is data missing that is deemed necessary to give weight to its significance, yes? Please clarify as to why, and what I may need to add or delete to remedy this so my page is not deleted. Thank you. The page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_Collapse Darvek (talk) 08:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The problem is that your only reference doesn't even mention the subject of the article. Deletion will go ahead unless you can find reliable sources where the subject has been written about.  Start searching, and add these references to the article as quickly as you can.    D b f i r s   08:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * You mean the external link reference of the Kubrick Site? Darvek (talk) 09:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I deleted the references section altogether, as the item under writings, articles, essays was sufficient. However, now the page is alerting me as to "Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it, resulting in an edit conflict." How can that be? Darvek (talk) 09:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * References are absolutely needed. The article will be kept or deleted based not on writings, articles, and essays but on what significant coverage in independent reliable sources say about the subject as cited in the references. —teb728 t c 09:49, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Is it possible to resurrect the page if I furnish the items necessary? Do I need to start from scratch again? Darvek (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * At this point the OP deleted the section; so presumably they are not expecting a reply — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teb728 (talk • contribs) 11:08, 27 January 2016‎ (UTC)
 * The original poster can request undeletion at Requests for Undeletion, which will move the article back into user space. They should only do that if they plan to address the issues that caused the deletion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a belief among some inexperienced editors that it may be a good idea to delete the references section if issues are raised about references. Issues about references are not addressed by deleting the references, only by improving them.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Update: I wrote to the user on his page and e-mailed him his article. I got no reply :-( but I see now that he's working on it in his sandbox. Good that he wasn't completely discouraged, I was worried when I saw him remove his question. The moral of this story is that it's very sensible for new users to hurry up and enable their e-mail, it simplifies everything. :-) Bishonen &#124; talk 11:04, 29 January 2016 (UTC).


 * I've reinstated the references, added more, and improved them. But now I've been having problems inserting the "jump ups" into the correct positions (next to the numbers to the references. I can't see any way of doing this.

58.162.208.86 (talk) 06:43, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The way of referencing the material in the article is by footnotes, and advice on how to add them is at referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm well aware that references are essential - it was a temporary edit in order to clean things up. But it turned out that someone jumped in for a "speedy deletion" before I could go back and edit them back in with improvements. 58.162.208.86 (talk) 06:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Sula Vineyards Wiki Page Text
Hi,

I edited a page a few weeks ago, and over this weekend there were a few changed made to it (mostly the images) and today there is an advert at the top of the page stating that the article does not contain text from a neutral point of view. I have gone over the editing and I cannot find any evidence of anybody editing the text of the article. And since the text has been up for a while, I was wondering why there is a warning all of a sudden?

Could someone please help me with this or go over the text and check what the problem might be?

Thanks!

Finivino1000 (talk) 06:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * It is always wise to provide a wikilink to the article about which you are asking. In this case it is presumably Sula Vineyards? --David Biddulph (talk) 11:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Did you see the history page and the talk page, Talk:Sula Vineyards? The history shows who has been editing the page. And the talk page includes a comment on why the article may look like an advert. —teb728 t c 11:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

How to make an article visible?
Contributed this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gita_See it does not seem to be visible/searchable. How do I make it visible and assign a correct URL, please? Thanks for your help. Gita See (talk) 10:57, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * You had put the content on your user page, but another editor has now moved it for you to a userspace draft at User:Gita See/David Bartlett. Before you submit that userspace draft for review, you need to provide references, see WP:referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I have moved your draft article from your user page (which is not an appropriate place for creating articles, see User pages) to the user subpage User:Gita See/David Bartlett. (I have left your user page blank: you can insert appropriate material there if you choose.) I did not move it to main space because it is nowhere near ready for publishing, in that it contains no inline citations at all. When you have ensured that all the information - or at least, anything that could conceivably be challenged - is supported by citations to reliable published sources (see Biographies of living persons), I suggest you submit it for review by inserting {{subst:submit}} at the top of your draft.
 * I don't know why you couldn't see the draft, but I shouldn't worry about it: it was there, and I've now moved it. --ColinFine (talk) 11:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Please advice if IMDB or LinkedIN profiles are acceptable references/reliable published sources?Gita See (talk) 11:26, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * You need to read WP:Reliable sources, but the two you mentioned are user-generated so not reliable. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help, will source appropriate references. Gita See (talk) 11:43, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Citing at what level?
I am in the process of authoring my first Wikipedia page, and I think I am now in the groove as to how to do this the right way. Where I am stumped is understanding at what level citing is required?

For example, let's say I have a paragraph of facts (distinct and separate from each other) which need to be cited, and I am able to find a single reliable source which addresses all of these facts. Do I have to cite each sentence? Or can I simply place one citation at the end of the paragraph? Please advise.

Thank you!

gggoodgggirlGggoodgggirl (talk) 20:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . As a general rule, if a single reliable source verifies all the assertions in the paragraph, then a single reference to that source at the end of the paragraph is sufficient. The most common exception is a direct quotation, which must have a reference at the end of the quote. It may be a good idea to immediately reference highly controversial assertions as well. You can used named references to easily use a reference several times without clogging the reference list with multiple identical references. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  21:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much, Cullen. Your recommendations have been extremely helpful.  I have started to go through my article with a "citation lens" and am correcting and/or restating things accordingly.

I am trying to re-use my references as much as possible, as to your point, the reference list seems to grow quickly. I found a few places where I accidentally added the same reference a second time, and will go through and correct those as I continue to edit.

I do have another question regarding citations. I think you may have read the draft of my article and there is a reference to a luncheon with Harry S. Truman. I am struggling to find any "independent reliable resources" pertaining to this event, but what if I have a picture of them together in the restaurant? Or an original letter from Truman to my dad referencing their lunch together? If I were to publish them online somewhere, could I then cite them for reference?

Appreciate your feedback.

gggoodgggirlGggoodgggirl (talk) 22:49, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Only if you were to get them published by an organ with a reputation for editorial control, I'm afraid (and it wouldn't need to be online). Anybody can post a picture or a copy of a letter online, and there is no way that a reader next week or next month or next year can determine its origin or authenticity. --ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , I agree with what wrote. Unless a reliable source wrote about the Truman luncheon, explaining its historical importance, there is nothing to be gained by mentioning it on Wikipedia. Presidents, after all, have lunch 365 days a year, as most people do. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  23:55, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I still may be able to find an independent reliable source, but will remove the section from my article until I do.

One point of debate, however, is that from the article's standpoint, it is not about whether the event was significant for Truman, but rather if it was significant for the author being recognized by Truman for his work. Assuming the author meet's WP's definition of "notability", wouldn't recognition by the president of the united states be of historical importance to the author's life?

Not intending to be argumentative, just trying to unravel the logic.

gggoodgggirlGggoodgggirl (talk) 00:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Probably yes, . But in Wikipediaworld, "notable" and "significant" do not have much to do with each other. If a fact has not been discussed in reliable published sources, then it has not been noted, and it should not appear in an article. (We don't usually talk about "notable" for individual pieces of information, only for subjects of articles, but that principle seems to apply). Separately, there is the question about whether information is encyclopaedic or not; i.e., appropriate for a particular article. Even events which are recorded in reliable sources are not necessarily encyclopaedic; that luncheon may well be, though. --ColinFine (talk) 00:43, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Gggoodgggirl. I was able to find this source, which does not verify a luncheon but does confirm that they met and during what period in his writing (so that's all it can be cited for). Without going to a library, it's a bit difficult to provide full attribution in the citation because the snippet view is from a book that is a compendium of journal articles and you can't tell from it the month, year, where it appeared in the original, and so forth. I got the article's author and title though from the information provided by the google search result before clicking on it. You might use this imperfect citation form:
 * <tt> </tt>
 * Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:12, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you SO much Fuhghettaboutit! I may have found this eventually, but I was preparing to remove the reference from my article. This helps me so much, I really appreciate it.

gggoodgggirlGggoodgggirl (talk) 14:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome Gggoodgggirl. You do not need to use the citation in the form I proposed, but the manner you cited it left out what I consider one of the key pieces of attribution: the name of the article (<tt>Strolling Down Baker Street with Jerome Coopersmith</tt>). Certainly it was a bastardization on my part to list that title next to the "chapter" parameter, just as your use of the "last" parameter was to list something other than a first name, and use of "first" for the whole name, but formatting is so irrelevant compared to providing our readers with the maximum information to locate a source themselves to allow verification.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Perhaps cite magazine might be an option? - David Biddulph (talk) 16:03, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you again, Fuhghettaboutit. It was not my intent to dismiss your recommended cite formula... in fact I appreciated it greatly and copied it off line as a reference. Being that I am learning, I really wanted to attempt to create my own citation using the form/template provided by WP.  I found the ability to add new form fields and thus included the chapter reference.  I will also look at the Cite Magazine form, provided by David Biddulph, to see if it is more fitting, but I think the way I have it now is close to representing what is needed.  And according to other contributors to this discussion, the cite does not actually need to be online, as long as it is accurate.  In this case I do think that including online visibility helps to provide validity to readers.

Now I am anxious to know if this article will actually be accepted once I submit it for review, but that is a whole other conversation!

gggoodgggirlGggoodgggirl (talk) 16:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Gggoodgggirl. I've just taken a very brief look at User:Gggoodgggirl/sandbox/Jerome Coopersmith. I think that you need to be careful to avoid plagiarism and/or copyright violation. The words "the Czech actor who escaped from his country during World War II, and then was imprisoned in America during the days of the McCarthy witch hunt" are copied directly from the source that you have cited, for example. Perhaps that's the only instance, but I thought I should point it out. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you Cordless Larry for that call-out. My challenge is that I am leveraging my father's own notes for some of this content and am finding that some of the copy is identical to that which he shared with publishers or submitted as official descriptions for his teleplays. I have updated that section to read differently, and as I continue to edit I am checking things very carefully to remove any unintended duplication. I have to say that I find it an interesting challenge!  I do welcome the feedback, so thank you again.

gggoodgggirlGggoodgggirl (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, Gggoodgggirl, since by saying "...the cite does not actually need to be online, as long as it is accurate. In this case I do think that including online visibility helps to provide validity to readers", you imply my issue with not including the title is an online accessibility issue; it is exactly the opposite. If you went to a library looking for the book, and even more pertinently, could not locate the compendium book but had a stack of the print journals in your hand, the title of the article would be the most key piece of information you would need to find it – especially where as here, we don't know from the book information the month and year of the journal included, so we don't know which edition of The Baker Street Journal it's from.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:39, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello again Fuhghettaboutit,

I actually did not intend to imply that at all. My comment about cites being online or offline was completely independent of what details should be included. I agree that as much info should be provided so that people can find the information if they look for it. In fact, as I review/edit my draft I am finding that some of my cites did not capture the page # or chapter, or other detail, and I am going through that now to correct it.

But this leads to another question. If some of the cites are not online, or cannot be accessed with subscribing to a service, how will that affect the article review and approval process? One example, is the Jack Gould quote about Coopersmith from within a New York Times article. My cite points to the article, but you cannot read the part of the article where his quote exists unless you subscribe the the New York Times.

I welcome continued thoughts, ideas, and feedback!

gggoodgggirlGggoodgggirl (talk) 14:19, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Images consistently removed. Why??
Several times uploaded images to Lithuanian profile of Petronele Gerlikiene and they get consistently removed (I own the rights to the images). English page of the same name is fine. Why do they get removed? Gita See (talk) 10:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . You will have to ask at Lithuanian Wikipedia why the images were removed there. Each language Wikipedia is run independently, and they may have different image use policies than we do. I do see a major problem with the licensing though. You say that a painting is your "own work" but the article says the artist died in 1979. Unless you actually painted it, you cannot claim it as your own work. You need to explain on the image page how you have the right to freely license the image for reuse by anyone for any purpose without permission. Are you sure that is what you intended? <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  11:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, because I am a family member and official biographer, so I do own the rights, I am also OK with making them public. SO what would be best, please? Gita See (talk) 11:05, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Your changes were reverted by lt:User:Homo ergaster. So you might want to ask him/her the reason for reverting you at lt:User Talk:Homo ergaster. The edit summary was "Atmestas Gita See pakeitimas, grąžinta ankstesnė versija (Homo ergaster keitimas)"
 * The images are still on Commons and have not been tagged for deletion; so the reason for reverting you may be editorial rather than copyright. —teb728 t c 11:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If Google Translate is accurate, that is a very uninformative edit summary. It pretty much says, "I reverted you, Gita, to the previous version". <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  14:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

How do I add a nickname to a city?
I saw how Stavanger's page had their nickname "The Oil Capital" labelled. I wanted to label the nickname of my home town so I copied and pasted what had been done in the Stavanger page but with our nickname, but it did not work. How do I add a nickname of a city? Sophia Amalia (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The reason it didn't work is that Stavanger uses the template infobox settlement, whereas Tromsö uses a different template infobox kommune: each infobox template is separate, and unfortunately they don't all have the same arguments. I note that in the documentation for Template:infobox kommune it says "This template is a customized wrapper for Infobox settlement. Any field from Infobox settlement can work so long as it is added to this template first." So it would be possible to add the "nickname" field to the template. In my opinion nicknames should be added only citing an unimpeachable source, otherwise we'll get people adding nicknames that a few people call a place. --ColinFine (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to use math to figure birthdates?
I'm working on a userspace draft biography of a now-dead horse trainer. (He meets notability, and actually exceeds it; he was sort of a celebrity in the horse world, and I have a lot of reliable sources like old newspapers.) One of the sources says he died in 2000 at the age of 82, yet doesn't say when he was born. Is it ok to use math and say he was born in 1918, or is that OR? I'm going to be working on this for a while, and I may find an exact source for his birth date before I move the article to mainspace anyway. I'm just sort of curious, because I can't remember ever hearing if there's a policy on this. White Arabian Filly ( Neigh ) 19:51, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If he died in 2000 aged 82, then he could have been born in either 1917 or 1918, depending on whether he died before or after his birthday in 2000. As such, listing his birth year as 1917 or 1918 might be okay, listing at 1918 without a reliable source wouldn't be. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:02, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The relevant guideline is WP:CALC "Routine calculations do not count as original research, ..... Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age are some examples of routine calculations." - Arjayay (talk) 20:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh OK, thanks to both of you. I guess I'll say "He was born in 1917 or 1918". Or maybe I'll get lucky enough to find the exact source. I found out where he was born, but weirdly the source didn't say when. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 20:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * We actually have a template for that, Birth based on age as of date. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:43, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * And there is a somewhat similar template age. So in your case,, " 1918 (age 82) " gives "1918 (age 82)".--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey White Arabian Filly. Although Find-A-Grave's blurb write-ups on deceased people are not reliable sources, gravestone pictures bearing dates of death found through the site may be used as primary sources and are generally considered reliable. In short, stonemasons are given the date of death by the family of the deceased – and not effing it up with a wrong date is as important to his job as is knowing how to carve the stone. It appears this is your individual, who was born on September 8, 1918 and died on October 2, 2000 at 82 (I'd by much more confident this was him if the draft said his full name). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:43, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Your grave seems to be in Indiana, whereas the ref in the draft apparently has him being buried in Alabama. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking in the sources cited, Dunn was buried at Oakwood Cemetery, Sheffield, Alabama. This is his entry on FindAGrave; birth date May 15, 1918. There is however not a photograph of the gracestone itself. --LukeSurlt c 14:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that Dunn died in early 2001 according to both FindAGrave and this source, not 2000. --LukeSurlt c 14:25, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, interesting. Great follow-up David and Luke. That is why I said I would be much more sure of the draft had independent confirmation of his name (so we knew this wasn't a false-positive, which it appears to be). At least now we know his apparent date of death based on the article found (which WP:CALC allows). It says he died on Wednesday, and the article is from January 13, 2001 (a Saturday), so he died on January 10, 2001. Because Find-A-Grave is not a reliable source for its SPS information, we can't rely on it for "May 15, 1918" – though it's a great lead to find an actual RS. Also, it says he died on January 11, 2001 (Thursday), which is in conflict with the newspaper. We must go with the newspaper (if the Find-A-Grave information is even to be considered) as between the two.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I fixed the draft to say that he died in January 2001, as the newspaper said. White Arabian Filly  ( Neigh ) 15:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Would this count as a reliable source re: birth and death dates? --LukeSurlt c 17:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

St Helen's Church, Lundy
Hi Kylie, I notice that you have reverted my edit on this page. Did I do something wrong? The information on the page is incorrect.

BW,

Belinda Belinda.cox (talk) 15:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse/Questions - despite the title it appears to refer to St Helena's Church, Lundy - Arjayay (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Notifying User:KylieTastic who it appears to refer to - Arjayay (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Belinda sorry I see your new here and thus may not have noticed but when reverted, or just checking others edits, if you look at the History you should see the edit summary people leave that should help. In this case if was because youor edit asserted a name change without any source and it contradicts the source in the artcile (though in this case it had been broken as well, I think my the target website changing).this link is to Diocese of Exeters website that list the church as "St. Helena" not "St Helen's" as you claimed. I did look for other evidence either way as this assertion has been made before, but found none. If you have a source for "Helen" that is more athorative than the diocese please let us know. Hope that helps explain. KylieTastic (talk) 16:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. Thanks for the ping Arjayay


 * Hello, . The reason reverted your change, as you can see by looking at the history of the article, is that you made a significant change without quoting a source. I agree that there are sources on the web which call it St Helen's, but both British Listed Buildings and the Diocese call it St Helena's, which strongly indicates that its official name is St Helena's. Unless you can find a reliable source which explains that these apparently impeccable sources have it wrong, you must not remove that name. If you can find a reliable source (not a blog or social media) that uses the name St Helen's, you can certainly cite it and mention that both names are used, and which sources use which; but you should not attempt to explain or resolve the issue unless you find a source which does so. --81.187.5.39 (talk) 16:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Belinda I see that there is sites such as www.lundychurch.org.uk that say "St Helen’s" but it has a image of a document in the history from 1962 that calls is Helena. It does not indicate that it was offically renamed St Helen, but maybe is was? It could be one of those cases where it has just changed informally over time as often has happened in the past. I'm at work so can't look further into this at the momnet. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 16:33, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi again Belinda and any other interested readers. Back from work I looked further and found that the Anglican site uses Helena (as do the British Listed Buildings site and historic documents), however the A Church Near You site uses Helen (although it should be noted that there is a link to edit, thus not a reliable source). Assuming the Saint in question is Helena (empress) as the lead says "Saint Helena or Saint Helen". I have written to the Anglican website to clarify the contradictions on there site and we will see. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 20:40, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Is there a way for quick deletion of a mis-spelled redirect title?
Spelling error in a redirect; now fixed. However the old/former/wrong spelling is now a redirect article, and I would think, should be deleted.

Is there a quick way to do this, short of a full blown WP:AfD? Cheers. N2e (talk) 21:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You can tag the redirect for speedy deletion. See WP:CSD for the full list of speedy deletion reasons, and tags for each one.  In this case, db-r3 was created specifically for this exact situation.  So tag the redirect with  and a short edit summary explaining why, and then an admin will be along presently to take care of it.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 21:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅—Thanks User:Jayron32 for the quick help. N2e (talk) 21:54, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Image and logo uploading
Hi,

I am currently struggling with understanding how logogs are uploaded on wikipages. I understand the issue of copyrights etc. and went ahead and upload a logo I found on a public article, however this too was removed by Wikipedia.

How do I go about this issue? I thought it was OK to upload images onto Wiki Commons that were either used in published articles or taking myself.

Thanks in advance!

Finivino1000 (talk) 05:53, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . See Logos for an overview of logos. You upload it to Wikipedia (not Commons except in the highly usual case where a logo is not under copyright). You tag it with non-free logo and use non-free use rationale logo for the required non-free use rationale. The reason your logo was deleted was that you uploaded it to Commons, which does not accept non-free content. —teb728 t c 07:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . teb728's reply is absolutely right, and there are a couple of other things you should attend to for a non-free (i.e. copyrighted) logo. Firstly, you need to produce a low-resolution version of it that would not be suitable for printing etc - certainly no more than 100,000 pixels in total, preferably much less.  Secondly, the image can only be used once at the top of the article, usually in the Infobox, "for the purpose of visual identification".  Thirdly, the image can only be uploaded AFTER the article "goes live" in Article space (not draft, user page, etc).  Finally, the easiest way to upload it to Wikipedia is to look at the left hand side of this screen, under "Tools" to "Upload file" - follow the steps and fill in all the blanks.--Gronk Oz (talk) 12:19, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


 * And BTW, you're completely wrong about images from published articles. They are still under copyright and cannot be used except under the non-free-use conditions described above.  Rojomoke (talk) 13:44, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I see you posted the same question at the Help desk, and they sent you back here. Please to not post the same question at multiple forums because that wastes the effort of helpers. If there is something you don’t understand about the replies here, please say below what is not clear, and we will explain. OR if you post the url of where you found the logo, I or someone else will be glad to upload it for you. —teb728 t c 08:47, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * OK . It’s easier to upload a logo than describe; so I did it for you:
 * I downloaded the logo from the Sula website to my PC and changed the white text to the orange of the graphic (because white would not show up against the light background of the article).
 * I clicked on Upload file in the left sidebar of any page and then clicked “Click here to start the Upload Wizard”
 * I filled out the form, selecting “This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use” and “This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc” and clicked upload.
 * The Upload Wizard even took care of the templates for me. See File:Sulawines logo.png for the result. —teb728 t c 01:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for all the help and apologies for posting the same question on two different forums. I am still new to wikipedia and didn't know that I posted it twice!

Also, thank you teb788 for uploading the logo. I now understand that it had to be modified got uploading due to the copyright issue!

Finivino1000 (talk) 04:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Move Articles
Hi There, I am trying to update the titles of a few articles to align with new branding guidelines. I keep coming to a roadblock that says I am not authorized to make the move. How can I get authorized access? Thanks! Echaryk (talk) 22:35, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not work on "branding guidelines" or addition of sponsorship names, rather the names used in reliable sources. In order to move a page where you don't have authorisation, you should start a requested move discussion to gain a consensus for the move.
 * Undiscussed controversial moves such as Toronto Eaton Centre and Polo Park can and will be reverted- I've requested reversion of both these moves to allow for a proper move discussion to take place. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Are you sure that you needed to go through the G6 route to delete the redirects? Wouldn't you have been able to move the articles back directly, if all that existed at the target location was the redirect to the article being moved?  See WP:MOR.  Of course you can't do it now that you've edited the redirect pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Tried doing the reverse move, didn't work for me, and never has fine before. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:MOR has worked for me if the redirect page hasn't subsequently been edited, and did so as recently as yesterday. If it doesn't work for you it might be worth reporting the details so that someone can investigate the problem for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * (e/c) Hi Echaryk. Please be aware of Wikipedia's article titling policy, and especially of its section on common names. See also Manual of Style/Trademarks and Official names. In short, Wikipedia often does not use the "official" or more formal names of topics in its naming scheme, but prefers the name most commonly used in reliable English language sources. "New branding guidelines" may be completely irrelevant to what an article should be called under our naming conventions. If you think a move might be controversial, and especially if it would seem to contravene or be questionable under these policies, please request the move at requested moves rather than renaming it unilaterally. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Noting the specifics. We do give more weight to reliable English language source written after a name change, but the common names policy still applies. See Article titles.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Also, in answer to the actual original question, the reason you cannot move it is because the new name already exists, probably as a redirect. If you request a move and it gets a consensus to move, then an admin can deal with this issue- only admins are authorised to do page moves like this. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Please can an admin move Toronto Eaton Centre back please? Once these moves have been reverted, hopefully the user will instead use WP:RM, so they can be discussed. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, User has COI as they work for CF, hence the reason they want all these sponsor names. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:54, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

How i share my page to facebook with thumbnail
Help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuad Hasan Maruf (talk • contribs) 05:36, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If you just post a link to a page on Facebook, Facebook will normally add the thumbnail for you. —me_and 10:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Music sample
In editing how to add music sample in an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishanbull (talk • contribs) 04:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * First you need to get the music file and upload it, either to Wikipedia (if it's not copyright-free and is being used under fair use) or to Wikimedia Commons (if the file has a free licence), then you can link to the file from the article. Once you've done that, you can link to the file from the article.


 * For example, if I uploaded a file as, then the code  produces the sample you see on the right. This works whether the file is uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons (this particular file is at Commons).
 * The full process is described at Help:Files.
 * Hope that helps! —me_and 10:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

How to search for the edit that added specific content
Is there a way to do this? I am the subject of an interaction ban, and I'm trying hard not to remove/change content added by the another specific editor. The only problem is, I see content in an article. There are 1000+ edits on this article, dating back 5years or longer, so without a very long and tedious clicking process, I have no idea who added that content. I want a way to see which editor(s) have been responsible for adding specific content to the article. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:50, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Is there (an easy) way to do this?
 * Hello, Spacecowboy420. I've found WikiBlame useful for the purpose of finding the edit that added specific text to an article. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks Larry. I will be trying it straight away. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries, Spacecowboy420, although thinking about it more, perhaps what you're really after is a tool to find all of the edits that the particular editor has made to the article? Cordless Larry (talk) 11:35, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


 * This will probably do the job. If there is content that I wish to change, I will search for that content, and if the other party involved in the interaction ban put that content in, I will leave it alone. It's going to be annoying, as a lot of my edits are improving grammar/vocabulary, but if it keeps me unblocked, it seems worth it. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Someone keeps on changing my page on Orthodoxy back to the way it was before I edited it.
I believe that I am not vandalizing but helping the wikipedia community by improving the article on Orthodoxy and I believe that I know more than the other editors because I myself am Orthodox and when the others change the articles back it is really frustrating because they took away the work that I have done and they keep on saying I am vandalizing the page but in reality I am not. So how do I fix this and keep my edits?Voss101 (talk) 23:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * There is an explanation on the talk page of that article. Please discuss the changes there.    D b f i r s   23:06, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Talk page discussion points out errors in your additions,, and that discussion says that Eastern Orthodox Church is actually the article that your proposed edits would fit best. You cannot edit an article based on your own personal knowledge. You need to provide references to reliable sources that back up what you propose to add. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:14, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * But I can still make edits to the Orthodoxy page as long as I have proof behind my changes.Voss101 (talk) 23:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Voss101. There is no simple answer to that question that would not mislead. Oversimplifying, and nevertheless throwing probably too many links at you for which I apologize: yes, you can: if reliable, secondary, independent sources exist that verify the changes made, and you cite those sources using inline citations with a modicum of transparency when you make those edits, and the verified material you add is written from a neutral point of view, and contains no original research, and would not be undue weight to include, and if you are reverted, you discuss the changes instead of edit warring and after discussion there is consensus to include some or all of the changes proposed. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * you appear to have several misunderstandings.
 * You refer to its as "your page on Orthodoxy". It isn't yours. It is Wikipedia's article on Orthodoxy.
 * You assume that your membership of the Orthodox faith is relevant. It isn't. There is a different article on the Eastern Orthodox Church.
 * Even if this were about the Eastern Orthodox faith, your membership of it would not give you any special qualification to edit the article. Indeed, rather the reverse, as you have a conflict of interest. Maproom (talk) 11:59, 2 February 2016 (UTC)