Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 466

SHINE Medical Technologies milestones
Good Morning,

I have a COI, therefore, can not edit our wikipage. SHINE has been granted a construction permit to build a medical isotope facility, something that has not been done since 1961 - please advise if someone can add this content to our page.

Thank you! PattiMoly99 (talk) 12:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have any reliable sources, and particularly any independent sources discussed this event? If so, I suggest providing citations on Talk:SHINE Medical Technologies and using Request edit to ask an uninvolved editor to make the change on your behalf. DES (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Good Morning! Besides the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1605/ML16056A148.pdf) several state newspapers, etc have... 4 Wisconsin television stations, etc. I will work on gathering those sources today. Thank you for your feedback. PattiMoly99 (talk) 13:11, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Draft Maia Chung, would a stub be more practical?
RE Draft: Maia Chung, The most recent review indicates that my submission reference does not adequately show the subject's notability. However on reading the suggested notability page, one suggestion included changing the title of the submission to reflect maybe the most significant event included in the submission. What are the steps to changing a title. It does appear possible to simply type new characters.

I am also uncertain whether this suggestion was one the reviewer intended for improving the Maia Chung Draft submission.

Would a stub on Maia Chung be more successful? KDT73 (talk) 11:41, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . You change the title of a Wikipedia article by using the move function - but that is not relevant here. The bit you are referring to in WP:Notability just says that sometimes an article is trying to be about a person when it is really just a particular event that passes our notability criterion, or vice versa. That is not relevant here, since you are writing an article about her.
 * The issue with Draft:Maia Chung is whether there are sufficient substantial independent reliably-published sources about her. I've only looked at the first four references, and I find that the first two and the fourth are interviews with Chung, and so do not count as independent, and do not contribute to notability (in Wikipedia's special sense). The third appears to be a blog, and blogs are almost never regarded as reliable sources (anybody can write a blog, and put anything in it).
 * I haven't gone further than that. But as you see, none of the first four references does anything to establish notability. You need to find some references which do, which meet the conditions in WP:42: if you haven't got those, then it doesn't matter what's in the article, or what it is called, it won't be notable. (It's possible that there are references beyond the first four that will do it, but reviewers like will have looked, so I doubt it).
 * No, a stub would not be more successful. A stub, in Wikipedia, is an article which has not yet been properly written, and they were commonly created in the early days of Wikipedia, but not so often now, because nobody should ever write a stub intending it always to be a stub. While many of them do not satisfy our reqirements for notability, they should do, and should ideally be fleshed out into full articles. For new articles, the notability requirements apply just as much for stubs. --ColinFine (talk) 13:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I wrote an article about our company's product, I would appreciate any feedback
I work for Lsoft technologies http://lsoft.net/ and I wrote an article about our product called Active@ KillDisk. Since data security is complex topic I figured that it would be best that someone from our side write the article and let you editors assess it. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Miskonius/sandbox&oldid=711259661

As someone who uses Wikipedia on daily basis i did my best to support any claims with facts and make the article look as unbiased as possible. Please let me know what you think of it. Miskonius (talk) 21:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If you work for Lsoft, you need to declare your conflict of interest in accordance with the paid editing policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:38, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I have disclosed me relation with LSoft on my user page. Is there anything else i can do?

Miskonius (talk) 21:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I see yourdraft cites some 30 sources. i haven't yet had time to review them all. Wikipedia requires that an article be about a notable topic. This is most often established by citing multiple independent published reliable sources, each of which contains discussion of the topic in some detail, more than a directory entry or a mere passing mention. Can you advise which of the sources cited a) is completely independent of the software and its makers; b) discusses the software in some detail, say for several paragraphs at least; and c) is published by a reliable source? This would help a reviewer to asses the draft. If the answer is none, you would need to add some. On the other hand, citing multiple repetitive sources that support the same statement(s) is not helpful.
 * Also, product logs and screen shots are generally uploaded to en-Wikipedia (not commons) under a claim of fair use. Such non-free content should not be added to the page until after it has been accepted aas an article. DES (talk) 21:54, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Well it was my opinion that claiming that our software is recommended by government institutions and universities requires more than one link.

If i ha to pick 2 of them it would be this test done by a certain Australian university https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miskonius/sandbox#cite_note-7 http://ro.ecu.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1098&context=adf

and also this recommendation by the United States Election Assistance Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miskonius/sandbox#cite_note-13 http://www.eac.gov/assets/1/AssetManager/unisyn%20openelect%20v1.0%20draft%20appendix%20c%20december%2029%202009.pdf

I could have added a lot more to tell you the truth, but I was thinking that it might be too much. We even have blog from NASA where the mention using us but the blog is outdated and for all we know NASA doesnt use software for data destruction. If you have any questions please ask. Miskonius (talk) 22:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * DES I have tried 2-3 times to upload images via commons and and they got swiftly deleted by the Wikipedia bot in less than 24 hours. I havent seen any recommendations when it comes to uploading logos or software screenshots. This was the only way I knew to publish the images without them being deleted

Miskonius (talk) 22:36, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , Logos and screen shots are normally non-free content. AS such, they cannot be uploaded to commons. If uploaded to the English-language Wikipedia under a claim of fair use, they must be used in at least one actual article (not a draft nor a userspace page) Thus they must wait to be uploaded until a draft has been approved and moved to the main article space. See Logos for fuller information and directions. DES (talk) 22:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * OK DES Thank very much I will definitely check it out. Also KillDisk logos and screenshots are available all over the internet but there is not a single mention of that such use is permitted when uploading files. Can you tell me how will this case of mine progress from now on?

Miskonius (talk) 22:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Robert McClenon ca you tell me should I create again (since it got deleted) my user page disclosing my affiliation with LSoft or is my disclosure here good enough?

Also should I publish the article or maybe wait for further moderation? Miskonius (talk) 00:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have asked the deleting admin,, to undo the deletion. You might want to wait for a reply to that request. Or you could recreate the page, preferably leaving out the postal address and perhaps the link, and preferably including use of connected contributor (paid).
 * You ask whether you should publish the article or wait for further moderation. By publishing the article, do you mean moving it from draft space to article space?  You absolutely should not move it to article space.  That would be a serious violation of conflict of interest.  It might also result in your draft being nominated for Articles for Deletion.  You should address the comments about your draft and may resubmit it after addressing the comments, which is probably what you mean by waiting for further moderation.  As to your user page, I requested that it not be speedy-deleted, because it was a good-faith attempt at a paid editing disclosure.  However, follow the advice to leave out the postal address, and preferably use the template.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * On the logo, an image being "all over the internet" does not change their copyright status. Unless the company has release them under a free license or put them in the public domain (either of which is very very rare for commercial logos and screen shots), then they still cannot be uploaded to commons, and can be uploaded to en-Wikipedia only under the rather restrictive conditions of WP:NFCC. This is what is almost always done with logos and screenshots -- look at the article of any major company that displays a logo. The only exception is where logos are so simple that they are not copyrightable (Target's "ball in a circle" perhaps) or so old that copyright has expired (pre-1923). If you think there should have been better guidance here on Wikipedia, you might be correct. What page do you think it should have been on? DES (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

DES in order to avoid this headache with uploading images (since there is absolutely no mention when and how and if the images will be added if the article passes) I have created few days ago a page https://www.flickr.com/photos/139383748@N03/ on Flickr for LSoft where those images from the article have been uploaded and given the appropriate license applicable to Commons, since Commons accepts images from Flickr for some reason. To be quite honest I am not sure what to do now regarding the article? Submit it for a review, wait for the undeletetion of my user page? To be quite honest I dont see what is the problem if its paid or not paid if the affiliation has been disclosed? Like I mentioned on my user page, disclosed affiliation should be enough regardless of whether I am being paid for this or not. This only means that my post will be (and should be)subjected to greater level of scrutiny which is perfectly fine by me. I did not spend so much time making it just for it to get erased for some cheap marketing shenanigans. What I consider Wikipedia is facts. I could be the Jesus Christ or the Devli's son but someone needs to check the article before ever considering deleting it. It doesnt matter who does it in my opinion, what is important are the facts (if they are facts) given in the article and that's it. As for the uploading images someone needs to develop a wizard that will lead the user directly to appropriate environment to upload images. If my category is Software I will be lead somewhere to upload images that are directly related to the article's topic. Or at least something like that, but this shouldnt apply only for software of course. Miskonius (talk) 00:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * , if and when the draft is approved and moved to article space, the logo and screen shot images may be uploaded to en-wikipedia (not to commons) using the File Upload Wizard. You could do this, or any other editor could. The rules at WP:NFCC would need to be followed, but for almost always no problem for logos and usually not for screen shots. The upload to flicker will have no value, as Wikipedia articles cannot display externally hosted images, and it is the original copyright that matters. You cannot grant rights you do not have by uploading the images to flicker, and i doubt that your company has authorized relase of the logo so thart anyone may modify it and reuse it for any purpose, including commercial purposes..
 * You are correct that the main purpose of disclosing a conflict of interest is to allow editors who read or review the article to asses your possible bias. Because we believe that the chance of bias is larger in the case of paid editing, and because ther have been some quite egregious abuses of Wikipedia by non-disclosed paid editors, the rules are stricter for paid COI than for unpaid COI. Also, Guidance from the US FTC has stated in this online guide that paid promotion must be clearly disclosed. This is a legal requirement for US residents.
 * You are also correct that the article, like any article, must stand or fall by its factual content and the supporting citations (which is why we don't need to confirm that you are who you say you are). But it is all too easy to cherry-pick sources, so greater scrutiny is applied to COI editors, and especially to paid editors. (If an editor's boss says "make us look good or else" it takes an unusual editor to resist the pressure.)
 * As to how you should proceed. You may wish to wait 24-48 hours for the response of about your user page, or you can simply re-create it, preferably without the postal mailing address and telephone number, which are unneeded and generally discouraged, per WP:NOT.
 * I think the draft needs further work before it would be approved by a reviewer. It needs to more clearly indicate teh sources that establish the notability of the company (per WP:CORP or of the software. It should be more clearly about either the company or the software, not both. But I see no reason to think that it won't eventually be approved. I am sorry if you are finding this process frustrating. You should be on the recipient end, seeing large numbers of not particularly significant companies thinking that a Wikipedia article is a wonderful way to market themselves. I assume that this is not your situation, but it does need to be more clearly established. I hope my comments are helpful to you. DES (talk) 01:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

DESWehn I was uploading the images I have put the links towards Flickr where they have been published so my take is that is the only reason why are they still in the article. As I said there is zero information about how to upload images for logos and software for new creators. But regardless I am perfectly fine if someone wants to use a different way of uploading them. To be quite honest a I had a quarrel with myself whether should I disclose the info that I work for the said company. On one hand it my opinion that KillDisk should be at Wikipedia, especially if you look at other data erasure software Wikipedia articles that are either discontinued or just the quality of the articles are substandard. Also when doing some research for the company I have realized that many of the wiping standards are not mentioned on the Wikipedia so I have taken to great lengths to create a table that can be used not only for KillDisk but to expand the current Wikipedia data erasure table as well. However if I did all of that work as a first time member I knew that it might get awfully suspicious as why would someone do all that without a prior history of writing anything on that subject. Ergo this is the reason why I disclosed my affiliation and at the end of the day I really have nothing to hide because all of the statements I made which are not(lets call them) promotional can easily be checked. But i have to tell you this Admin behavior can only discourage disclosure, especially when someone can just delete everything prior to even reading an unpublished draft and checking the facts. As for the promotion of the company and the product, as you noticed yourself LSoft doesnt have a Wikipedia page and they are one of those companies who like to work in the shadows. Yes, such companies and people exist. Down the road I might get them to agree on me making it (or someone else) but it all depends on how KillDisk article will pass. As for the KillDisk promotion on Wikipedia the truth is that KillDisk doesnt really need it. It will help of course but not in any significant way. The site is up more than a decade and its filled with hits, backlinks from edu and gov sites that it easily gets in top of the Google search for any relevant keywords you can think of. In my opinion, it's not the case of KillDisk needing Wikipedia it is sort of vice versa. But I will let the editors decide on that. We have no problems with anyone editing the article and adding content as long as it is supported by facts. Thank you for your comments and advice they have been most helpful. I see that my Userpage is restored and that I can submit the draft for a review, should I do it? Miskonius (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

A question so that I can be able to have my article submitted
Hi, My article was unfortunately not accepted because of the referencing... However, I did include the only referencing that I had that's ideal for this article. Please could you let me know what other forms of referencing I could improve? In order for my article to be accepted.

Akeim Mundell

AkeimM (talk) 20:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, we have to tell you that Wikipedia is probably not the right place for your autobiography. You need to read WP:notability,  WP:Reliable sources and WP:Biographies of living persons, and note that unless the subject of your article has been written about in detail in such reliable sources, then you will not be allowed to publish the article here.  Sorry to disappoint you.    D b f i r s   21:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

why does my new artical keep getting a deletion?
I have posted an arousal under the name of "Curtis Williams Jr" and it has been tagged for deletion for the second time. I am wondering what I need to do in order for it to stay up and not get deleted? Curtis Williams Jr. (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Curtis. Wikipedia is not a medium for promotion, or proper place to post a résumé, or to write about yourself. Many people in good faith mistake Wikipedia for other types of sites where a posting like this is perfectly fine, but it isn't at all at Wikipedia – because it's an encyclopedia. The page has no place here, though as I said, it might be fine at your own website, at LinkedIn, at Facebook or a host of others. Here, it is what we would call "unsalvageably promotional". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:25, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Sources in a different language
Can I cite sources in a different language that the article's language? I am writing an article about someone who has sources in both English, German and Dutch written about him. Crnbch (talk) 06:19, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse ! Yes this is possible. You can add a note like "(in German)" or "(in Dutch)" in the citation. You may try to locate English versions for these sources. You can also learn the use of the Cite templates if you have not yet.  Sainsf  &lt;^&gt; Feel at home 06:28, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Thanks for clearing that up and the link to the citations page. Crnbch (talk) 23:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

First time contributor
I have posted an article called "Amanda Gates" about a Canadian curler. Not sure where to go now that it is posted ( it does show up as a contribution on my account). How do I know if it is formatted correctly? Will someone contact me. Also, I would like to know how to make a chart or graph within my article. I noticed these in other similar articles. I am a newbie in the worst way as my computer skills are limited. Thanks for your help.Suegates (talk) 13:38, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, . There is a good deal to do to this draft before anyone even thinks about charts or graphs.
 * The references need to be put into proper format, and appropriate metadata such as title, work, author (where known), and date of publication provided. See referencing for beginners on how to format citations.
 * Subjects are normally referred to by last name on 2nd or subsequent mention: "Gates" not "Amanda".
 * I have added proper markup for headers, please follow it if you add any additional sections.
 * Your username suggests that you might be related to the subject. If you are, you have a conflict of interest. Please declare it, if so, and edit very carefully to be sure the draft is neutral and not promotional.
 * You need to more clearly establish that Amanda Gates is notable. See Wikipedia's golden rule, our guideline on the notability of athletes and particularly our guideline on the notability of curlers.
 * Also please read Your first article.
 * Many statements in the draft article are not cited to a reliable source. Please add appropriate citations to support factual statements. Any opinions must be clearly attributed to a named person or organization, and cited.
 * I hope all this is helpful. Creating a Wikipedia article can be complicated and confusing. I have made some edits to the draft that may serve as examples going forward. DES (talk) 14:07, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advice. I took the "Wikipedia adventure tour" and many of my questions were answered. I can go back and make some fixes but firstly I suppose I should check on the conflict of interest issue and Wikipedia's golden rule. Confirming notability seems in order as well. Citing to a reliable source was also difficult in some cases as earlier accomplishments were no longer archived to any source that I could find. Will take this information back to the drawing table! Took a quick look at the article edits you did and they are fantastic! Thank you so much for your help!Suegates (talk) 15:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that cited sources do not need to be online. If you can find an "earlier accomplishment" documented in, say a back issue of a newspaper, a citation listing the name of the paper, the title of the article, the date it was published, the page number(s), and the byline if given is perfectly acceptable. The same applies to other printed reliable sources not given online -- enough detail that a reader could with work find them in a library is sufficient.
 * Also, please consider breaking up large blocks of text into smaller paragraphs, separated by blank lines. They will read more easily.
 * Additional wiki-links would be useful as well.
 * Happy editing, . DES (talk) 16:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Added my COI notification on my user page. Should I note this as well each time I might "talk " to someone about my articles? Suegates (talk) 17:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * you could do so,, but unless the subject of bias comes up[, or seems relevant, that might be overkill. DES (talk) 00:19, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Adding a standard filmography table to an actor's page
Hi - I'm trying to add a filmography table to an actor's page, but am just using the insert table function. I noticed that there is a standard filmography table, but don't know how to access it. I don't want mine to look different. Elizabg (talk) 23:43, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Elizabg, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of a standard filmography table. The examples I examined vary. Can you name an article with the kind of table you want? Try clicking edit on the article to see how it was made. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:54, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Long time..
Hey people..long time since I've seen you all. Glad to be back. :) Could you tell me if Facebook pictures are free to be used in wikpedia and/or under which license? Thanks! :D  Hg   andVenus  16:41, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome back. Generally, no.  Most photos that are posted there will be protected by copyright.  You would need to find a picture that was in public domain (very old) or licenced in a way that Wikipedia can use it.  RudolfRed (talk) 17:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Ty :D Hg   andVenus  03:00, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Drawing relations between two pages
Similar to how distinguish can suggest there is no association with a specific page, is there a way to say a page is similar or related in one way or another. Say if two brands are owned but the same parent company? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwells3 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Two possibilities are wikilinks throughout the article, and a "see also" section toward the end of the article. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:32, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Recognition of Mary Bruckel-Beiten as initiator of the Pasar Malam Tong Tong, The Hague.
Please let me show you the proof of the Hague nomination and acknowledgement, that Mary Bruckel-Beiten initiated the Pasar Malam Tong Tong in the Hague Holland. The Haque send our family a photo of the streetname of a bikepath with her nomination written on it. Proof that Wikipedia got the wrong information that it is Tjalie Robinson. How can I send you the photo? 2001:569:BD43:8C00:C0F2:6074:EACD:A58C (talk) 03:14, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Our article Tong Tong Fair does not say that Tjalie Robinson was the founder of this annual event. Instead, it says that a group of activists associated with him started the fair. A photo of a sign associated with a bikepath is not a reliable source for a Wikipedia article. We need a published source instead. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:43, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Pictures
How can i upload images to the article of Anubis Ice Hockey Team? I want to upload 2 logos and 2 jersey images. Thanks a lot in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anub Anubis (talk • contribs) 18:57, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * You can upload images by clicking the "Upload file" button on the left-hand side of the screen. Please be aware, however, that Wikipedia will not accept copyrighted images, unless you have explicit permission from the author of the work allowing you to do so. Ethanlu121 (talk) 22:07, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * What has said is not completely right, : it's not enough that you have permission from the author to use them on Wikipedia. Wikipedia needs to have assurance from the copyright holder (either published on a website or provided in an email according to the procedure in donating copyright materials) that the image is released under a suitable licence (such as CC-BY-SA) which will allow anybody to reuse it for any purpose. However, there is an exception for certain images if their use in Wikipedia satisfies all the criteria in non free content criteria, that they may be uploaded to Wikipedia (instead of Commons, where most images go) and used without any permission. Logos quite often meet these conditions, but I don't know if jerseys will do so. --ColinFine (talk) 22:42, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Anubis Ice Hockey Team has been nominated for deletion. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  03:49, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Ethanlu121 and ColinFine. Cullen328 Why delete our page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anub Anubis (talk • contribs) 11:43, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , the page has been nominated for deletion because it has not established notability, as described in the deletion discussion. If you want it kept, you will need to find and provide multiple examples of detailed coverage by independent published reliable sources. DES (talk) 12:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Image upload
Hi, I'm an absolute novice to Wikipedia so forgive the ignorance, but I've uploaded an image to Wikicommons and want to swap out an image on a Wikipedia page with this image. I've read the page about uploading syntax but don't quite understand at what point the text in the edit page gets linked to the image file. Can I just write in the name of the new image file over the existing one? Thanks in advance..Diego287 (talk) 22:01, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes in general it is that simple, although you may need to change the image caption as well as the file name. Be sure that you get the file name exactly correct. See Help:image and Help:Menu/Images and media for more detail.
 * But before you make any such change, please think carefully about whether your repalcement image is indeed an improvement. Is it free? Is it of equal or beter quality? Does it illustrate the point as well as or better than the existing image? If you remain convinced that this is an improvement, please explain why in your edit summery, and preferably make a post on the article talk page where you explain why the new image is an improvement at greater length. An unexplained image replacement might draw a knee-jerk revert. DES (talk) 23:47, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Page Name : Mahaveer Group - RSPL
Hi

i have been trying to create two pages

1) Kumbala Praveen Reddy

2) Mahaveer Group - RSPL

both are under speedy deletion and deleted today Vishwachander (talk) 07:01, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: The preceding post by Vishwachander has been modified by myself. CabbagePotato (talk) 08:00, 23 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, Kumbala Praveen Reddy had to be deleted so many times (either as a copyright violation or because it didn’t indicate why the subject is important enough for an article in an encyclopedia) that the admin protected the title so that an article cannot be recreated with that title. I see that you have submitted Draft:Mahaveer Group - RSPL for review, but you did not cite any sources; so it will be declined. Please read Your first article—especially the part about finding significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. —teb728 t c 08:47, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Original poster has been blocked for sockpuppetry. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Headline and website link
I can't seem to find where to change the name of the article (it now says ShareNL, and it should be shareNL with a small 's').

Since it's an article about an organization, I would like to add the organization logo and the website link, however, I can't find where to add this either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.90.228.246 (talk) 05:40, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. To style the title so that it is displayed with a lowercase first letter, add Lowercase title near the top of the article. See Help:Files for an overview of how to upload and use an image like a logo. (If you had told the exact name of the article, I could have been more specific; we don't have an article called ShareNL.) —teb728 t c 09:06, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added Lowercase title to Draft:ShareNL. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention: there is more info specifically on logos at Logos. Also, since your article is still a draft, you probably will not be able upload the logo until the draft is published to article space. —teb728 t c 06:05, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you all for your help! I accidentally added the question again, so disregard that, I am very grateful for your help!

145.132.118.30 (talk) 07:58, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Headline and website link
I can't seem to find where to change the name of the article (it now says ShareNL, and it should be shareNL with a small 's'). Also, since it's an article about an organization, I would like to add the organization logo and the website link, however, I can't find where to add this either.

Thank you for your help!

145.132.118.30 (talk) 07:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Question accidentally repeated, see solution below above, but your first reference uses upper case!   D b f i r s   08:34, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Photo adding
Can new users add pictures? If yes, how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.215.87 (talk) 08:04, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, you can! Check out this brief tutorial. I believe it contains exactly what you're looking for. --Erick Shepherd (talk) 09:52, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Removal of Content
I want to know how can I remove the content which is based on false allegations.115.186.129.58 (talk) 11:10, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Which article are you referring to? How do you know these claims are false? We add only sourced information, and sourced and neutral information should not be removed without consensus among editors. Sainsf  &lt;^&gt; Feel at home 11:35, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * It depends. Is this a general question or concerning a specific article? Are you closely connected with the subject, or just interested in correcting misinformation? Do the allegations have references to support them, and if so, is the information presented from a neutral point of view?


 * Often times, where appropriate, you can add tags to an article that has issues to request that other users help fix it. Alternatively, if you're not connected with the subject of the article and the information is incorrect, you can attempt to fix it yourself. Just be cautious about the manner in which you go about it. If the opposing point of view is reasonably evidenced, you have to give it due weight. --Erick Shepherd (talk) 11:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Question on Image:, Saved.., Edit link(s) , and ask form ?

 * How does one make clicking on an image in an article to not blast the whole image on the screen but rather show the info page?
 * How does one remove "Your edit has been saved" ?
 * How to get rid of the "Edit" but keep "Edit source" link(s) ?
 * Can one fill on a question on this page without javascript trying to handle the text form but rather it being handled by the very much more compatible html way ?

Ferrofield (talk) 23:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Ferrofield, welcome to the Teahouse. Disable "Enable Media Viewer" at Special:Preferences to get direct image links to the file page. Enable "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" at Special:Preferences to only get one type of edit link. You can start a new section here by using the edit tab at top and write the section heading inside  before the first existing heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:36, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Big thanks! Btw, no idea on the "How does one remove "Your edit has been saved" ?" which shows up when an edit has been saved but it obscures and is in the way. Ferrofield (talk) 01:16, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * to get rid of the "Your edit has been saved" you have to jump into the world of css editing. Start by opening or creating your common.css page User:Ferrofield/common.css and then add the code


 * You don't actually need the first line, it's just a comment but it's useful to remember what each snippet of code does. Save and then refresh the page. After that you should find no more popup every time you edit a page.  You can find out more about css and how to format it at Help:Cascading Style Sheets. Nthep (talk) 13:13, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

I had a page declined, I updated it and would like to have it reviewed
A few weeks ago it was declined because apparently, it didn't have enough links. I revised it and have been waiting for a reassessment and I think it kind of got abandoned. Is there any way someone can help me get it approved? Thank you. Your help is greatly appreciated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:VEGAS_ROCKS!_Magazine&action=edit

Rocksinnerqueen 16:13, 24 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksinnerqueen (talk • contribs)


 * Hey there, the WP:AFC pending submissions have been semi-backlogged for a while now, I know I cannot review your article as I am not a reviewer but, either way, requesting for help from pages like this is not going to get your article reviewed any faster. It has not been abandoned, it is in the three-week queue among 26 others and there are 457 pending submissions in total; it's just taking some time for the reviewers to get around so hold on. &mdash;Skyllfully (talk &#124; contribs) 16:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, no problem. Thanks! I appreciate it! Rocksinnerqueen 16:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksinnerqueen (talk • contribs)

Can you please take down the page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marthe_Robin
Hi there. I am a child whose parent was induced in error by this con artist. I would like the page taken down as soon as possible so that the other members of the cult community she "belonged to" stop using her as a tool to continue taking advantage of the mentally ill or senior population in isolated towns of Ontario and Quebec. I have witnessed her "on cue" have "apparitions, talking to my dead mother, and other dead cancer cases in order to brainwash vulnerable folk like my father who had their wealth, home cottage and land stolen from them during mourning processes. I can attest that this person should be labeled: Spiritual deception rather than : Spiritual direction and: Con artist rather than: mystical in any way shape or form, other than following instructions from one: Father Blais, who used to be a priest in the roman catholic church.  When he died of cancer years ago, the gated community she was involved in fell apart when  several single teenage mothers he recruited to work the land and stay for free in the  community (L'Avenir)  came out and spoke about the sexual abuse that was going on there.  There were over 13 not for profit organisations under their belt and they kept their elderly quite buzzzy while they kept their pensions and alienated them from their families. All in the name of GOD. Two of the cult members, as far as I know went to Universite of Laval to become priests and continued to take advantage of mentally ill people in their communities,(probably responsible for submitting this page to wiki and the demand for the pope to have her be called a saint...so that they can continue in the footsteps of father Blais) like my father who had been conned out of his whole life when my mother passed away. This woman was certainly not bed ridden when she came to our home the day my mother died and was able to carry out as much stuff from our family residence as she could fit in the moving trucks the cult provided. I still remember sitting on my bed and watching her and another member carry out my dressser (which still had my underwear and clothes in it)out to the vans. Many families have been hurt by this woman and just because she has had pages and pages of documented "spiritual encounters" (probably written by their new priests) for the benifit of a cult, does not mean she is a saint. Quite the opposite. I am in the process of asking for help from the Carmelites in Montreal to remove any assumptions one may have of this case being contemporary proof of divine manifestation to being exactly what it is. A great big lie. One that has hurt families on a core level. Please prevent this lie from hurting anyone else. Take down the page. This person needs to be removed from wiki so that the children of these broken up families, like me can finally rest in peace and not have the lies continue. Thank you. Stephanie Jacqueline Pierrette Koett. 184.71.17.74 (talk) 15:34, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello there Stephanie, what you are requesting cannot be done. You are stating a claim that the information in the article Marthe Robin is completely false yet you have no reliable sources to prove that while the article does, it is around 74 reliable sources against your word. I am sorry that it is breaking up or hurting families but your request cannot be filled without proper reliable sources, thank you. &mdash;Skyllfully (talk &#124; contribs) 16:07, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * When I read Marthe Robin to the end, I am left with the belief that the subject was a fraud. But there is little indication of this in the lead. Maybe the lead could be brought more into line with the rest of the article? Maproom (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * On that note, maybe could be placed on the article. &mdash;Skyllfully (talk &#124; contribs) 21:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

How can i avoid getting my page and pictures deleted
Hello guy, I'm new here. I created a page on 22nd March, 2016 and was told the page was nominated for deletion. now it has been deleted. how can i stop it from getting deleted. Dammiecute (talk) 08:10, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to read WP:Biographies of living persons and WP:Reliable sources. Your article contained no references whatsoever, so you provided no evidence that the subject of your article was WP:notable.  If you think that the person you are writing about is indeed notable in the Wikipedia sense, then you need to find reliable sources such as established newspapers where the person has been written about in detail (not just mentioned).  Publicity material and self-publicity are not acceptable as sources.    D b f i r s   08:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming you're talking about Akin Awodeyi-Akinsehinwa it hasn't been deleted (yet). Instead, there's a discussion going on about it here.
 * In order for it not to be deleted, you would need to show evidence of significant, independent coverage in reliable sources, per Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Also, the tone of this article is currently promotional- Wikipedia only allows neutral tone text, no mission statements, vision statements or opinions about him. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Archive "ClueBot III" with the option "archivenow": I need help with the template
Hi, for my profiles on Commons and the German project, I use a simple archive bot that only archives those paragraphs (in the following night) that I have marked with the "resolved" template. I now tried to install this for my profile here as well but I find the explanations given on the help page rather confusing. Can't I just have something like this also here?:

Thanks for all your help in advance! A copy-and-paste version of the correct template code for dummies like me would be great ... GeoTrinity (talk) 23:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Probable copyvio by translation
(Copied with some edits from Talk:Portuguese heraldry)

I just finished copyediting Portuguese heraldry, correcting mostly what appeared to be errors in translation (presumably from Portuguese) due to literal translation and/or unfamiliarity with English idiom. (See .) Then I went to look at the other language pages – only Spanish and Portuguese exist – in the hope of checking up some unclear expressions. (Although I can't really speak Spanish or even approximately Portuguese, I can make enough sense out of both of them for some basics.) I was shocked to find that the Portuguese article* is only about 210 words long, and the entire text of the Spanish article* is "La heráldica portuguesa se ha usado desde el siglo XII", i.e., "Portuguese heraldry has been used since the 12th century," while  this article, in English, amounts to
 * Prose size (text only): 80 kB (13963 words) "readable prose size"

So where did the rest come from? Especially since it was evidently not written in English by a fluent speaker of English, but translated from a Portuguese or other Romance language original. This smells of copyvio. The appropriate action would be to look in the references, but as I said, my command of Portuguese is nowhere near up to that. Should I refer this to WikiProject:Portugal?

* This sentence is supposed to link to the Portuguese and Spanish articles. The wikilinks work in the talk page post but not here, I have no idea why. See below

Please me to discuss.

--Thnidu (talk) 02:51, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't say for sure of course, but the edit history has what I would want to see in an article that was not a copyright violation. One person (an IP) building the article in dribs and drabs over a few hundreds edits.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:36, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * In answer to your confusion about the interwiki links,, to create a link in text to another language Wikipedia (as opposed to putting a link in the "Other languages" table at the side, which is what you've inadvertently done), you need an initial colon: pt:Heráldica portuguesa . I've corrected your links above. --ColinFine (talk) 10:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks again *thumbs up* Ferrofield (talk) 15:26, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * When commenting on a Talk page, you can't just attach your comment to wherever it opens to, or to the latest comment, because people are adding to different discussions (= sections) all the time. Better move your thanks to wherever it belongs.


 * Oh, and I recommend that you start it with  , as I did here, to ensure that the person you're writing to knows "they've got mail". --Thnidu (talk) 00:34, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . --Thnidu (talk) 00:17, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Your surmise certainly sounds like what's to be expected where the editor is paraphrasing sentence by sentence to properly avoid copyvio. But ISTM that the same symptoms would appear if they were translating sentence by sentence, which could very well be the case here. So I'm afraid my concern and my question stand unaltered. --Thnidu (talk) 00:17, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Restoring my real picture
On my wikipedia page, someone has replace my picture with another Karl Peters. I want to know how I can restore my real picture that I've put on my profile. My website is Karl E. PetersKarl Peters (talk) 22:44, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. In your edit here, you did correct the photo, but also removed lots of other content, which was why it was reverted. I've changed the photo to the one you want, since the other one was taken in 1930, so clearly isn't the correct person.
 * On another note, it isn't "your Wikipedia page" or "your profile"- it's an article about you on Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. You do not own the article on here about you. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:51, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Karl. No one actually "replaced" the image, though the effect may have looked like that. As I think you know, since you uploaded the file that Joseph2302 placed in the article, the Wikimedia Commons is a separate website for free images that can be used here natively. However, when there is a local image – meaning one uploaded here, to Wikipedia, rather than at the Commons, by the exact same file name and it is used in an article, the local image will be shown. Thus, until recently the image shown in the article was the local image at the name File:Karl Peters.jpg, and not the image at the Commons by the exact same name. However, when the local image was deleted – as a result of the discussion at Possibly unfree files/2015 October 15 – the Commons image by the same name immediately began to display without anyone replacing anything in the article. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:03, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your timely and helpful response. I have another favor to ask of you, namely to replace the current picture that I think is too informal (I and my wife on a boat dock) with the following:  /Users/karl/Pictures/Photos Library.photoslibrary/Thumbnails/2011/06/09/20110609-155545/Oh3%HJw8SuyTKJ6VveSf4w/thumb_Karl Final 2-adj  4 inch NEW_1024.jpg  This was the original one that an author of the original article use.


 * I understand the problem of a conflict of interest. However, there are some facts in the article that are not an accurate as they could be.  For example, that Paul Tillich was an influence on me.  That is not true.  How do I offer corrections of such things?  Being an academic, and the former editor of a scholarly journal, I am as interested in accuracy as much as you are, for which I'm grateful.


 * Thanks again for our help and for your good work.Karl Peters (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Here's an item of interest. I was able to research wikipedia for the other Karl Peters, whose picture was on my site for some time.  Here's the link.  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wegberg .  Karl Peters (talk) 00:27, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide since it contains information on what you can do if you feel the Wikipedia article written about you contains incorrect information. I also suggest you take a look at WP:REALNAME. There's nothing wrong with an editor using their real name as their Wikipedia username, but there can be some drawbacks to doing so, especially if you want to make changes to Karl E. Peters. It might sound a bit silly, but you may be asked to verify you are really you.
 * Finally regarding pictures, adding/removing photos is, for the most part, basically the same as adding any adding/removing text. You can be bold and just make the change yourself, or you can propose your changes first on the article's talk page to see if there's a consensus for such a change. Because of your COI, I suggest you follow the later approach and discuss your concerns on Talk:Karl E. Peters first and see what other editors say. Please see Help:Using talk pages for information on how to use article talk pages. Please note that a photo, etc. needs to be uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons before it can be used in an article. This is explained in Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/1. Refer to Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for information on how to "donate" a photo that you hold the copyright on to Wikipedia. If you're not sure whether you hold the copyright, please ask for more detailed assistance at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:26, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Draft:The rare beer club
I reviewed Draft:The rare beer club and declined it due to lack of independent reliable sources. Its author,User: Rngirard, asked at my talk page:

Hi Robert, thank you for taking the time to review my article. Can you help me understand which sources are considered associated to the club? I understand how monthlyclubs.com is, but the mentions from CNN, Fortune, and WSJ were given naturally. Thanks so much for your help!

I replied: WSJ, Fortune, and CNN are in the External Links section of the draft, not in the References section. If you intend to use them as references, move them to the References section, preferably by the use of footnotes in the article. If you want any further advice, ask at the Teahouse about references in general and the difference between References and External Links.

I will add that, on looking at the WSJ and Fortune links, they discuss the company in detail, so that it does appear to be notable. The author should make them into footnoted references, and then I think that the article should be accepted. Comments? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I should note that notability is not a statement about the content of the text of the article but on the suitability of the subject to support an article. Sources don't need to be cited to establish notability.  They merely need to exist in the world, somewhere.  Of course, cited sources serve the nice benefit of making it easy to find said sources, but ultimately, if the sources exist, that's enough.  They don't need to be directly cited to establish WP:N.  They merely need to exist.  -- Jayron 32 01:52, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That's true. But they should be in the References section.  Also, including them as footnotes would serve not only the interests of the reviewer but also the interests of the reader, and the real purpose of Wikipedia is to provide information to the reader.  (The whole concept of notability is, after all, a peculiar concept about what we think might interest neutral readers.  Maybe we need to remind ourselves and authors of that.)  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * In a well written article, they should be in the references section. However, their being missing does not have any bearing on the suitability of the subject for the basis of an article.  There are two questions 1) should Wikipedia have an article on the subject and 2) What makes good writing for that article.  Only 1 matters when deciding issues of notability, such as whether to leave an article be, or nominate it for deletion.  -- Jayron 32 05:02, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , I agree with here. We do not require AfC drafts to be perfectly formatted. If notability is established by external links that can easily be transformed into inline references, I think the draft should be accepted and the editor encouraged to follow Referencing for beginners. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  06:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I would like to submit content about Ethical Fashion
I was researching on Ethical Fashion and couldn't find any definition or material with direct information about Ethical Fashion. This is an increasing theme where several global organizations are involved. I found some persons and brands related to Ethical Fashion on Wikipedia and I think it's time to establish this as a movement/way of fashion/purpose. Just wanted a heads up before I submit an article. Thank you!FashionBe (talk) 19:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Please be sure that your draft is supported by multiple independent reliable sources that have written about the concept of ethical fashion, not just fashion houses or others having a special interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:24, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , please understand that wikipedia is NOT the place to "establish this as a movement/way of fashion/purpose." Wikipedia only describes already existing movements (and other existing things) that have been discussed in independent published reliable sources. It is not the place to "establish" anything. Please see Your First Article, Wikipedia's Golden Rule, and our guideline on promotional articles. DES (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I guess I was not formulated myself very well. What I meant was: "I think it is time that we can find this definition on Wikipedia" since it is widely used online and offline globally.

I will only submit an entry if I find enough published reliable sources. Thanks FashionBe (talk) 22:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Cleaning up, posting and citing photos
Hi - I think there are many articles that could be improved by adding photos. Can I go through and add photos? I tried to link a photo to Paula Faris article but it didn't show up. What am I doing wrong? Tedwillett (talk) 05:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You were trying to link to a Google search for a photo. This is not the way to do it.  Images are normally uploaded to WP:Commons first, then the link goes to this image.  The problem is copyright.  Most images that appear in a Google search will be copyright, and so cannot be uploaded to Wikipedia (though there is a WP:Fair use possibility, to be used with great care.  See WP: Uploading images for details.    D b f i r s   08:22, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Paul Dean (Jerusalem)
Are there any people that can edit this draft to make it acceptable? Paul Dean is extremely Notable within the Music Business. Paul Dean (Jerusalem) ‎ — Preceding unsigned comment added by MetalmanUK (talk • contribs) 07:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Notability has a specific meaning on Wikipedia, which is essentially the requirement that the topic has been subject to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. You have only cited two sources in Draft:Paul Dean (Jerusalem), so this notability has not been demonstrated. You need to find sources that discuss Paul Dean in some depth, and use those to base the article content on. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Biography
How do i create a bio or auti biography? 2601:18C:C501:D1B8:213:2FF:FE3B:590 (talk) 04:28, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing an autobiography here is strongly discouraged. See Autobiography on this. To create other articles, I suggest heading to Your first article. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:56, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

How to make the citation wizard on sandbox show the whole dropdown?
Hi, When i go to my sandbox, edit source section and I try to use the cite wizard, i cannot see the drop down options. it seems to be hidden beneath the text box right below. Can someone help me with it? I'm not sure if I can include a picture here to illustrate the problem.

Writeweapon (talk) 21:05, 20 March 2016 (UTC)


 * if that's the cite wiz to the right of the help link, it has an arrow on it showing either to the right or down. Click the link to activate the wiz --Dave Rave (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * found it, amended answer. Dave Rave (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dave! works now. Writeweapon (talk) 09:53, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Good to hear,, and sorry that you had to wait so long for an answer. Thanks to for figuring this out. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC)