Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 485

Help improving my article
Makolli86 (talk) 12:41, 14 May 2016 (UTC)Dear Friends,

Can anyone help me improve my article about Ismet Asllani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismet_Asllani)? E.g., I would like to add a content list and write about his biography and furthermore improve the way I have added the references on wiki, so the article becomes more professional.

You are free to add further informations about this Hero of Kosovo!

On advance thanks a lot

Best regards

Faton Makolli Makolli86 (talk) 12:41, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Greetings Makolli86 and Welcome to the Teahouse. For this article, I updated with the Biography section title, a few structural changes, added a See also section, categories, stub notice, and created the Talk page to dicuss further improvements. Thank you for helping to improve Wikipedia. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your help JoeHebda, you have done a good job!

Its an honour for me helping to improve Wikipedia. Regards Makolli86 (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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Dear JoeHebda,

I need your help once more, I hope you will find time to help me? I want to add a picture on Wikipedia of Ismet Asllani and his two brothers Muharrem and Nazim Asllani, but Wikipedia wont allow me to do so, how come? The picture does not belong to "Bota Sot", but the family Asllani, which I have the full permission from to use! The picture is to be found here: http://botasot.info/lajme/529157/17-vite-me-pare-u-vra-luftetari-ismet-asllani/. Under the part biography of my article about "Ismet Asllani", I would like to add the picture, and write this text bellow the picture "The three brothers - Ismet, Muharrem and Nazim Asllani".

On advance million times thanks for your help

Makolli86 (talk) 17:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, working with images is not my area of expertise. I have only uploaded a couple of files, and it is difficult to choose the correct copyright licence. It's my understanding that the photographer who takes the picture is the image's owner. That person can freely upload and release to WP as a free-to-use image.


 * About the only guidance I can offer is at:
 * Permission requests
 * Creation and usage of media files
 * File copyright tags
 * How to find legal photographs and graphics
 * Tips


 * I ask for help from expert editors who may have better answers. Cheers! — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Again JoeHebda, thanks for trying. I appreciate it a lot! :-) Makolli86 (talk) 19:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Dear Wikipedia colleague/colleagues,

Can anyone help me improve details on my Article "Ismet Asllani"?

Axiomus have added this message to my surprise:

"The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (Learn how and when to remove this template message)".

Everything on my article is document and the history of Ismet Asllani is as true, honest and reliable as our existence. If anyone are just a bit in doubt about this statement, you are free to do some research about this, and further improve this article! I am just trying to contribute to Wikipedia with reliable information! I would kindly ask someone to remove the message that Axiomus have put in the article, since I don't know how.

On advance thanks

With respect Makolli86 (talk) 10:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

How do I withdraw my IP address from the history section?
I did my first ever edit before I realised that I should have opened an account and provided a user name. My IP address is now in the history of edits. How do I get it removed. Is there anyone that I can speak to? Tim 06:40, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Tim, and welcome to the Teahouse. See Oversight. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Removal of edits
Yesterday I had edited a page and now all the edits are missing. What do I do?Aaditya Rangan R (talk) 07:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Aaditya Rangan R. Is this about Taarak Mehta Ka Ooltah Chashmah?  Your changes were reverted by User:Dpshmrt.  Maybe that user can explain.  Rojomoke (talk) 08:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * How do I come to know the user who reverted back my edits?Aaditya Rangan R (talk) 10:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Discuss the reverting of your edits on the article talk page, or ask the other editor on their talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Aaditya Rangan R, you can see the editing history of an article by clicking on the "View History" tab at the top. In this case you would go to this page.  Rojomoke (talk) 13:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Where would be a better place to ask my question which went archived without a response?
I recently posed a question What's the proper space for a KIS userbox template? which was archived without response. I know I'm not quite proficient with all of the terminology but I thought my question was clear enough and I linked to relevant pages on Wikipedia to show how far I'd gotten on my own and why I was confused. Since nobody here has an answer or advice for me, perhaps someone could refer me to a better place to ask my question where a person knowledgeable about namespaces might be able to help me? Thanks.

P.S.: I'm thinking I should leave the templates in my userspace. It seems as though they can always be moved later. I just don't like the implication that being in my userspace somehow suggests I own them (and yes, I know that I don't own the contents of my account's userspace). Reidgreg (talk) 12:06, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have moved your question to the top again,, so that it doesn't go unanswered again. Can anyone help Reidgreg with this? Cordless Larry (talk) 06:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This page is intended for questions by new editors. New editors rarely get involved with templates, and those who help here may not know enough about them. You might do better asking at the help desk. Maproom (talk) 06:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm trying to learn, including how and where to ask questions, and this was the first question I had that was baffling me.  Sincerely, thank-you all for your service here. I see a lot of good advice given with great patience. Reidgreg (talk) 17:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words,, and please don't hesitate to come back here with other questions about editing. This one was just a bit too technical for us to be able to help you with. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Trying to get a rapper's article on Wikipedia
I have been working on Laron Pierce's page for a couple of months now and I have put the info that is needed on there but it keeps on getting deleted for some reason. So I went to do a draft for it and they said its still needs alot of work but i have put everthing on there and they denied it. So i need some assistance on how to put this article together without being deleted. DreMystro91 (talk) 02:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Draft:Laron Pierce and The Only Hip Hop Show both lack any references to independent sources, and are therefore unacceptable as articles. If no-one can find reliable published independent sources which discuss these subjects, then there's nothing you can do to get them accepted. Maproom (talk) 08:00, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Basically, what you need to do is dig up at least two professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources (like articles from newspapers or magazines, or books) that are specifically about Pierce but not affiliated with him and not connected to him. No blogs, wikis, or other websites that anyone can put up.  No websites that are owned by Pierce or by anyone who does business with him.  You can find more information at WP:42.  Ian.thomson (talk) 08:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * @Ian.thomson thank you for your advice i really apreciate it. DreMystro91 (talk) 08:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for asking now. The concept of independent reliable sources, and our requirement for them, is hard for some new editors to understand.  I will however caution you that, if you don't understand the comments of reviewers, please ask for advice (such as here) rather than just resubmitting a draft with changes that don't address the comments.  After I commented on Draft:Laron Pierce, you resubmitted it with changes that didn't address my comments, and it was declined again.  I trust that you will address our comments before resubmitting another time.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:01, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It appears that you submitted The Only Hip Hop Show into article space with no independent reliable sources. It is likely to be nominated for deletion.  I suggest that the author move it into draft space while they work on finding independent reliable sources, so that it won't be nominated for deletion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:06, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * So what if I get a article about a rapper for an example like Laron Pierce and someone put an biography and his info on a website from a journalist, would it be acceptable? 12.180.237.70 (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I just wrote my first Wiki article and it got declined
I have written the editor via talk (though I can't seem to see where their reply is), and asked for specific sections that made them decline the article. I'd like some help on how to resolve the issues so that my article will get approved. The article I have written is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ramesh_(Persian_Singer) Holly Dae (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe your exchange with the reviewer is here. I can tell you that it's not encyclopedic tone to call someone "prominent" - this is a subjective assessment that an encyclopedia article shouldn't make unless it quotes some expert saying that. The same goes for "hallmark of [...] unique and fresh take". You also shouldn't use the Farsi Wikipedia article as a source. We do not consider other Wikipedias (or indeed our own) as a reliable source, because they are self-published by non-experts such as us. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:23, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input! I have changed the specific parts you've pointed out, altogether removing the Farsi Wiki and anything that remotely sounds subjective. I will say, however, that I've come across numerous celeb articles that use many "peacock words," as you guys call it here, so I'm not sure how those got through edits.

Will you please look over my article again to make sure it sounds better? I would really like to get it approved. Thanks! :) Holly Dae (talk) 15:35, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's better now. You still need to find some other source than Farsi Wikipedia for the information in the lead section. Also concerning that section: "is considered one of the most popular singers of 20th-century Persia" is not an ideal way to report her popularity. "Is consider" is a weasel term that purports that some people think this way but does not give away who. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's still chock full of pov imagery: "musical heavy-weights", "Ramesh gained great popularity", "setting musical and fashion trends". And thanks for your patience in waiting almost an entire two hours after posting on my talk page, before posting here.  Onel 5969  TT me 16:02, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you Finnusertop! I have added another source for the lead-in, and I hope it suffices. Considering this artist was popular in another country where articles and sources have not been uploaded anywhere and most of what I've found was in Farsi (for me to translate), it's been quite the challenge. I did leave the Farsi Wiki in the first para, but only as a secondary source to the first (Amazon albums). Anything else? Much appreciated! Holly Dae (talk) 16:11, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * If you read my entire discussion here, Onel5969, you'll see I specifically say this is my first Wiki article and I am not sure how to find responses received from the editor. No need to get snappish about it. I thought the goal here is to work together and be civil?

Anyhow, some of the words you mentioned ("musical heavy-weights") are linked to other articles that clearly show the artists involved were prominent in their time and country. As this artist is from a different country and an era where articles and sources are not easy to come by, please pardon me for doing my best to gather all there is available, while trying to convey the popularity (yes, because she was/is) of this artist on a Wiki article. Holly Dae (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think this draft is progressing very well, . About the Farsi Wikipedia: since it doesn't do any good as a source, I'd advice you to simply drop it out. If you've already sourced the statements from elsewhere, a second source is not necessary, particularly when it's of inferior quality as a reliable source. While it doesn't hurt to have it, in the Articles for Creation process it's only likely to give the reviewer an impression of problems in understanding the reliable sources guideline.
 * A thing about Farsi (or any other language) sources: sources don't have to be online. You can cite print sources (books, magazines, newspaper articles). Being verifiable doesn't mean the source needs to be one click away; paper sources are perfectly fine. I do agree what Onel5969 said about terms like "musical heavy-weights"; it's your interpretation based on the fact that these people have Wikipedia articles about them, and it's not a neutral conclusion. You should call them simply "musicians" unless some source you cite calls them something more than that. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Finnusertop, I'm doing my best. I've already changed the "musical heavy-weights" and would drop the Farsi Wiki, except I'd like it somewhere in this article so that others can later reference it. It's not something that necessarily comes up on Google searches. As for paper sources, as most of the paper sources were destroyed in 1979 due to the Islamic Revolution, all we have left is what anyone saved and put online. Otherwise, I'd add even more sources than I already have! Any suggestions on where the Farsi wiki link should go, perhaps further down in the article, so it's still something people can click to, but isn't going to matter in the grand scheme of getting this article approved and published? Thanks so much for your prompt and helpful response! Holly Dae (talk) 16:45, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the link to the Farsi Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles in different languages are automatically linked, and you'll see the link to the Farsi Wikipedia in the sidebar to the left once the article has been accepted (see Help:Interlanguage links). As for sources, what you describe is of course a regrettable situation. I'd imagine some libraries or archives might still have such sources. Sometimes the best sources are online and sometimes in print, this depends entirely on the subject, but it's good to be mindful of the possibility to use print sources. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Holly Dae, a link to the Farsi Wikipedia will be added after it has been accepted, such "inter-language links" are added to a centralized database called Wikidata. You can make a note of the Farsi article on the draft's Talk page - Draft talk:Ramesh (Persian Singer) - then an editor experience in adding such links to Wikidata (not an easy job for beginners) can see to it when the article is accepted. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Finnusertop, I'll delete the Farsi Wiki, then. No, no such archives exist anywhere as the Islamic government was adamant about destroying all traces of the previous "sinful" culture, particularly artistic works, which is why many such artists left the country during the revolution, as their very lives were in danger. Like I said, what there is what's found online (or if anyone sells them on eBay) and finding paper sources is next to impossible. Of course, once the article is published, if I come across any other sources, I'll add them on to what already exists. Thanks so much! Holly Dae (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Roger! I added a note to the Draft talk and a link, and though I may have done it sort of incorrectly, hopefully future editors will be able to figure it out. :)Holly Dae (talk) 17:10, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, I just received a message about how one of the articles (the only one!) I've written may not fit Wikipedia requirements. I'm wondering if this is an automated message, as my draft is still awaiting review? (same draft as the OP). Thanks! Holly Dae (talk) 20:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

How do I inform wikipedia about the details that are relevant outside the post?
I made an algorithme for an examination project at CPH business school May 11 2016. I posted the algorithme here on wikipedia today May 16 2016. So far I got 2 comments from wikipedia editors saying it is no where to be found on Google? I mean it is obvious it is no where to be found on Google when the algorithme was finally done at May 11 2016. So it has only existed for 5 days. How do I inform wikipedias editors about that, so I won't receive more non relevant comments. Cop77 (talk) 18:33, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't a place to report your own work, including your school assignments. Articles here are about topics for which notability has already been established, which generally means they've been published elsewhere. Largoplazo (talk) 19:37, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Here is the article under discussion, David Hyldkrogs algoritme that has been deleted A11. -- GB fan 19:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That is, there was the article under discussion before it was deleted as original research. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I just deleted this as part of a routine clearout of CAT:CSD and wasn't aware of this thread; unfavorable assessment of me by the OP here, for info. &#8209; Iridescent 20:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Auditing
Why is auditing refered to as expression of an opinion not detecting of error and fraud — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.190.12.187 (talk) 11:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor. The Teahouse is the place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia rather than questions about content per se. If you have concerns about the article Auditing, then the best place to raise them is at Talk:Auditing. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Page deleted
Is there a way I can get back my deleted page? What are the things i need to keep in mind to contest speedy deletion? If i create and edit in sandbox, can it still get deleted?Parwaaz hasan (talk) 16:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You should start by talking to the admin that deleted the page. I think you must be talking about Hazrat Shah Sufi Khwaja Abul Hassan Chishti.  The admin who deleted it was .  You can contact him on his talk page.  If you do not think the outcome of that discussion is satisfactory then you can appeal to deletion review.  -- GB fan 16:40, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I left him a message. Fingers crossed.Parwaaz hasan (talk) 18:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You can also request that the deleted article be undeleted and moved to your user space via Requests for Undeletion. Whether your request will be granted will depend on why the article was deleted.  If it was deleted because you didn't establish notability, it almost certainly will be undeleted, but in your user space, not in article space.  The purpose of undeletion is primarily to allow you to improve the page, such as by finding references that establish notability.  Most, but not all, other deleted articles will be provided (undeleted) in user space.  Copyright violations and serious biographies of living persons (BLP) violations will not be undeleted.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Matthew Trivett
I reviewed Draft:Matthew Trivett and declined it, citing notability issues and tone issues. User:Jtrivett then replied on my talk page:

Hi, I have changed the tone on this, and added links, I am this person Father and can attest to the facts as submitted

I will be declining it again. The author may not be aware of Wikipedia’s policies on conflict of interest and reliable sources. We cannot accept the attestation of a family member to facts, let alone to notability. Facts and notability can only be verified by reliable sources. Neither of the sources listed appears to be a reliable source. (Reddit is definitely not considered a reliable source.) While family members (who have conflicts of interest) are permitted to submit drafts via Articles for Creation, drafts written by family members or other persons with conflicts of interest are subject to very strict review by neutral volunteer reviewers. As to tone, the particular statement to which I objected has been removed, but “Sadokist has become a well known name in the gaming world” is still the sort of statement that should not be made in the voice of Wikipedia, and which illustrates why so-called conflict of interest edits (that is, edits by persons with a special interest in the subject, including family members) are likely to be non-neutral.

I don’t know whether this particular gamer is notable in the peculiar Wikipedia sense. Most gamers are not notable, and notability (in any activity) must be established by independent reliable sources. I am declining the draft again. Do any other experienced editors have any additional advice? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:04, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * If significant coverage in reliable sources exists, my advice for would be to delete everything in the article that cannot be based on reliable, published sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Editing a profile
Having logged in I tried to edit my partners profile. The edit was apparently undone by a 12 year old from Sweden who told me I would be blocked if I continued to edit. How can Wikipedia allow such nonsense? Jeremy Jeremy sandle (talk) 21:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You were cautioned by two editors, one of whom is a 14-year-old in Sweden, and one of whom is a respected Wikipedia administrator, who can block you if you don't respect cautions. Coming here to ask questions was a good idea.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. All information on Wikipedia must be based on published reliable sources. When you add or modify some piece of information, you need to provide a source. In particular, we observe zero-tolerance for unsourced additions in Biographies of living persons. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, . It may help to realise that Wikipedia does not contain profiles, of anybody or anything. What it contains is encyclopaedia articles about subjects, neiutrally written, and based almost entirely on what people unconnected with the subject have published about the subject in reliable places. It has almost no interest in what anybody (or any company, band, city etc) or their friends, relatives, associates or employees, say about them. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have posted a message on your talk page which explains how to request edits to the Mark Curry (television presenter) article, . Cordless Larry (talk) 22:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

well what you have told me is that as I am connected to the person I can't make an edit. You have the edit I proposed so it is upto you to verify that the edit is the truth as we are clearly debarred form telling you the truth in case we are lying!!jeremyJeremy sandle (talk) 22:31, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You are not debarred, . You just need to follow the instructions I have given you to propose the edits you want to be made. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The place to request edits is the talk page, Talk:Mark Curry (television presenter). Robert McClenon (talk) 23:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

User:Amamedli/sandbox (which doesn't seem to be a draft article)
I reviewed User:Amamedli/sandbox and declined it as lacking context. I said that it appeared to assume that its readers would know what it was about. I didn’t understand and still don’t understand what it is about.

User:Amamedli then wrote to my talk page:

Robert, can you educate as to the reason for declining my suggestions. I am new to this and apologize if I am breaking rules, but my suggestions, I believe are well positioned and would stand scrutiny of knowlidgeable experts. Jamala's last name is easily recognizable by most Russian speakers as Tatar. This is easily established. Can you educate me as to what steps are required to get this acknowledged. Secondly, Nagorno Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan as recognized by nations in the world and numerous UN resolutions. It is disputed, but is legally part of Azerbaijan. What is your basis for declining this edit? Thank you, Araz Mamedli.

I did not mean to imply that the author was “breaking rules”, only that I didn’t understand what the page is about. The author is saying that a particular last name will be recognized by Russian speakers as a Tatar name. This is the English Wikipedia, and a knowledge of Russian is not required either to read the English Wikipedia or to edit it. The author, on my talk page, is referring to a dispute over sovereignty over a region. The draft that I declined doesn’t mention that.

It may be that the author didn’t intend to be submitting the sandbox draft in question as a stand-alone article, but as an edit to an existing article that may refer to one of the various territorial or sovereignty disputes in parts of the former Soviet Union. If so, they may edit an existing article, although they should be aware that disruptive editing with regard to certain conflicts in the Caucasus region may be subject to ArbCom discretionary sanctions.

Can some other experienced editor please try to explain to this admittedly new editor that what they submitted isn’t a draft article, and isn’t self-explanatory to most English-speakers? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:51, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The content seems to be a critique of 1944 (song), written and performed by Jamala, which won the 2016 Eurovision competition. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * My guess is that when clicked the "submit" button, the intention was not to submit an article, but to submit proposed changes to an article, possibly Jamala probably 1944 (song). Maproom (talk) 06:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you. So it appears that the problem was a lack of understanding of what Articles for Creation is and how it works and how Wikipedia works, and that the author was trying to submit comments to a talk page, probably Talk: 1944 (song).  That (confusion as to how AFC works) hadn't occurred to me, so that it left me completely confused.  I can't recall in the past getting anything in Articles for Creation at all similar to this, but I will try to remember that something like this may be comments on an article rather than a submission.  My response would still be to ask other editors for advice in a public advice forum such as this one.  While the author's English is good enough to come across as reasonable, the language has to be part of a problem.  Can someone please try to explain to the author, either in Russian or in Ukrainian, that they submitted their comments in the wrong place?  Robert McClenon (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Coincidentally,, Jamala and her 1944 song are now the lead story on "In the news" on Wikipedia's home page. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Time zones and "Retrieved" dates
When citing web sources, we say "Retrieved (date)" If an editor is not in the UTC time zone, should they use the UTC date or the date in their own time zone? Thanks! Chickadee46 (talk) 04:04, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Personally, I use the date in my own local time zone, and I do not think a one day discrepancy is of significance. I suggest that you choose the method that feels best for you, and stick to it. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse . Using the date in your own location is perfectly fine, and is what I do, as it's easier for me. The accessdate parameter in citation templates is built to accept access dates that are 1 day ahead of the current UTC date for this reason. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

But Why????????????
Why creating new account, not allowed, even in good faith (if someone)??--Yes ji (talk) 09:43, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Your question is unclear, so you may want to rewrite it in clearer English. If you are trying to ask when it may be appropriate use an alternative account, see Sock puppetry. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:56, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The original poster asks a lot of questions here that are in nearly incomprehensible English. What is their native language?  If they have reason to ask a lot of questions about the English Wikipedia, they might do well to find a "linguistic mentor" who can ask their questions for them in good English.  Also, please consider whether you might be better able to contribute to the Wikipedia project in another language, some of which have a shortage of editors and of articles and are in urgent need of expansion (while the English Wikipedia already has five million articles).  Robert McClenon (talk) 13:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The OP apparently does edit in a number of other languages, see above. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Archived.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  18:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * These languages are similar, and quite common in the Punjab. Sainsf  (talk · contribs) 14:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * As mentioned above, I would suggest that this editor would contribute better to Wikimedia (the overall project) in the Wikipedias of languages with which they are more familiar. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:04, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Finding Wikipedia articles which are need for editing!
Dear editors,

I am an old Wikipedia user and a newcomer editor. I am interested to know if wiki pages are sorted in the quality of articles written. This would help to identify the pages which are in more need of being improved. It is harder to go from page to page to find out what is their exact status. Thank you to everyone in advance.

Warm Regards, Varshit Dusad Dusadv (talk) 04:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * If you are interested in particular topics, joining a WikiProject might be a good idea. For instance, you could join WikiProject Germany by adding your name to this list. It is probably best to first add the main project page to your watchlist and follow how things are done in that project for a while. WikiProjects often have a page summarizing current assessments, making it easy to select, for instance, articles that are rated as being of start class but high importance. For instance WikiProject Germany has a table here. Clicking on the appropriate table cell displays a list of talk pages (since it is the talk pages that contain the project's quality assessments). You can also go to this page and drill down from there. --Boson (talk) 08:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There is also a category of articles that have been tagged by an editor as needing copy-edit. That category is:


 * Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit
 * These will not be in any particular topic area, but have all been tagged as needing copy-edit, typically because they have problems with grammar. I don't know whether that is how you would like to improve articles, but it is a way that some editors improve articles.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:07, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Ok to contact living person for confirmation of their details?
I'm having a go at writing my first WIki article. It is about a musician, a virtuoso ukelele player from Hawaii. I have no relationship with her. The idea came when I saw a video of her playing, and tried to look her up on wiki and discovered there was not an article, so thought I'd create one. I have several sources, articles about her in reputable magazines. But before I post, I want to check on some biographical details (age, birthplace etc.) She has a web page, with contact details, and I wondered if it is okay to contact her and get these details directly. Also, can I link to and quote from her own webpage? Or is this too much like advertising. Also, when mentioning her released albums, is it okay to link to an online site where they can be bought? Or again, is this too much like advertising? I'm concerned, as it seems a previous article about her was deleted due to sounding too much like advertising; probably written by herself or PR team, so I want to make sure this is neutral enough. Thanks for helping a newbie, folks. Misterdequincey (talk) 09:58, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . It seems to me it would be a waste of effort to contact her, for you couldn't use the information she gives you: All information in an article must be sourced to reliable published sources. You probably can put a link to her website in the "External links" section of an article but don't quote from it or link to a sales site. —teb728 t c 10:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, @teb728. I did manage to find a source for the birthdate so that's fine, and yes, I'll put the musician's website into External links. If I hadn't found a source, would it not be okay to check with the person or someone close to them as to the correct birth year? I know for example that the wiki entry for a family member of mine gives the incorrect birthplace, but I haven't attempted to edit it, as the source would be me. Not a good idea? Misterdequincey (talk) 12:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No, not a good idea. Unpublished sources are completely irrelevant to Wikipedia. If the wrong information is published in an apparently reliable source, that's what we go with, I'm afraid. If reliable sources disagree, the article should mention this, but not attempt to choose or argue between them. If the information is not sourced, then it may (and arguably should) be removed. --ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that ColinFine. Misterdequincey (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your contribution. As mentioned above, in a draft article, it is important to know what are and what are not independent reliable sources.  What the musician says is not independent and reliable.  However, further discussion of your draft can take place in your more recent post above.  Thank you for contributing.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Need to replace an incorrect image.
Hi On the Clan MacLaren page the Clan Crest badge displayed in the "Infobox clan" is incorrect and needs to be replaced with a correct image which matches the description. I can provide a accurate image, but have not been able to figure out how to replace with a correct image, please help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_MacLaren

{{Infobox clan |clan name=Clan MacLaren |image badge=Clan member crest badge - Clan MacLaren.svg MacRory Mor (talk) 13:22, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * You say can provide a accurate image. If this is your own work and you are willing to release your copyright in it, you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons. If the name you give it there is say "Clan MacLaren crest badge.svg", then in the Clan MacLaren article, you replace the current "Clan member crest badge - Clan MacLaren.svg" by your "Clan MacLaren crest badge.svg". Maproom (talk) 16:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

What qualifies as a reliable independent source?
I've just submitted my first article for review, Draft:Taimane Gardner. it was declined within a few seconds on the grounds there weren't enough reliable independent sources. All the sources I quoted were independent, they ranged from IMDb to Guitar World magazine. If they're not independent and reliable, what the hell is? Any help? The reviewer was Robert McClenon and it says to ask here before asking him on his talk page. Misterdequincey (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The article in question is Draft:Taimane Gardner. For future information to a new editor, when asking a question about an article, please put the name of the article in links to make it easier for editors to view it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Some of your sources are not considered independent and reliable. In particular, IMDB is largely user-contributed and so not independent and reliable, and Allmusic is intended to list everything.  I do see now that some of the reviews do appear to be independent and reliable sources.  Please trim out the references that are not independent and reliable.  Do other experienced editors have comments about the reliability (or lack thereof) of sources?  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:56, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Righto. Got it. Can we talk about the reliability and independence of Guitar World magazine now? CheersMisterdequincey (talk) 15:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I can remove the IMDb reference and the allmusic one. Any others? What about discogs.com and mele.com?Misterdequincey (talk) 16:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I've added the references to "virtuoso" from Guitar World and the South China Morning Post; there are others, but it is getting a bit bulky. After several albums and performing with Earth, Wind and Fire, Jimmy Buffet, Chris Isaak I feel it passes the notability test, at least as far as I read it, i.e: "multiple sources that discuss the topic directly and in detail" and independence, as: "sources that are independent from the subject of the article". These do and they are; they are interviews and reviews of albums and performances, some very lengthy (especially the one from Ukulele magazine). I actually tried to cut down the amount of references as there were too many, and the only place I've included the direct website is in External links. Any further suggestions welcomed. Thx. Misterdequincey (talk) 16:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Creating a new articleNkwe (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
What is the most convenient shortcut for creating a new article? This is the only problem I've experienced since becoming a Wikipedia editor.Nkwe (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Either
 * type "Draft:name of article" into the search box at the top of the page and hit Enter. You'll go to a page that includes the line "You may create the page Draft:name of article with a red link.  Click on that link and start typing.  Or
 * Go to Articles for creation and follow the instructions there. For new editors, this method is highly encouraged.
 * Rojomoke (talk) 17:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

I would like to find curation opportunities
I was recently talking to a friend and she showed me that there are many "backlogs" on wikipedia which require someone to take care of them, and that there are many simple tasks which are needed for everyday working of the encyclopedia. Can any experienced user guide me towards these?

EDIT: I have found this page via google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Backlog CuratorGuy CuratorGuy (talk) 06:08, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse,, and thank you for your offer to help out. I recommend that you take an in-depth look at Community portal, which functions as a central hub for the wide variety of tasks that need to be completed. Select any area that appeals to you, and get to work. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  06:18, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. What is the educational requirement to edit? I am very new and I still have not found the link to upload my credentials CuratorGuyCuratorGuy (talk) 06:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit,, as long as they comply with our policies and guidelines. See the Five pillars of Wikipedia for a basic outline. Although experts are welcomed, our job is to summarize published sources, so any reasonably intelligent person can be a productive editor. Since consensus is the method we use to build articles, a collaborative, open-minded attitude is more important than waving around a PhD. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks again. My apologies for being thick, but you seem to have uploaded your credentials as I can see them displayed on your main page. How can I do that? CuratorGuy (talk) 06:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem, . If you click on the red link that is your current signature, a message will come up letting you know that your userpage does not yet exist. It will give you an option to create it, and an edit window will open below. Type a brief description of your goals as a Wikipedia editor, and save it. As time goes by, you can expand it as you see fit. See WP:USERPAGE for more information. Typing "WP:" followed by a logical keyword will almost take you to an informative page for editors. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * thank you ever so much. This is just the thing I was looking for. CuratorGuy (talk) 07:13, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * CuratorGuy, I've discovered that "credentials" are not exactly welcomed with open arms around here by some users - they'd like to punch you in the nose as soon as they find out you have an advanced degree! This seems to occur when you're suggesting changes to or actively editing an article in your field of expertise. I don't get it, as you'd think the opposite would be true, & people with a good knowledge of a subject would be welcomed to edit because they know what they're on about. But some users can be "territorial" about articles they've created or to which they've contributed, & seem to think that academic credentials pose some sort of "threat" to them, that you're making them up, that you think you're a big fat know-it-all who's going to wreak havoc & run amok on their "baby", or all 3 at once. Cullen said all that a bit more diplomatically than I did (& more succinctly). May I offer you the suggestion of joining the Guild of Copy Editors as a general starting place? There are, of course, lots of other WikiProjects that are subject-specific if that's what you have in mind. In that case, try looking at the WikiProject Directory to find one. Best of luck. ScarletRibbons (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Ref cite problem
Can someone please tell me where I've gone wrong with this ref cite?

The ref tags seem OK to me, I've got in the Wikivoodoocode squiggles & all the pipes, but the 1st ref tag is hanging out, & it's not translating itself to a citation number when I test it out in my sandbox to make sure it was correct before editing the pg. Driving me mad staring at it trying to figure out where I've gone wrong. TYVM if you can help. ScarletRibbons (talk) 20:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Wait, that red text at the end wasn't there before!

. In your first try above, you had at the beginning and (misplaced slash) at the end. In your second try, you fixed the opening tag but not the closing one. Deor (talk) 20:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * O, good grief! Dunno how I missed that, & the help pg the red text it cited wasn't helpful at all. I just tried it out in my sandbox, & all's well. TYVM for pointing out the misplaced slash. O & how come the red text didn't show up in my sandbox when I tested the citation there, but showed up at the Teahouse? ScarletRibbons (talk) 21:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Important early memory management software - written by Peter Lipman @ DEC
Anybody who knows computer history knows that DEC was a pioneering company between the 60s and 80s. They were so strong that they had they had their own fleet of helicopters that they used in order to fly some key engineers (including Peter Lipman) from office to office (like from MA to NH) - this is not unlike Google and Apple today using private busing in the SF Bay area.

I wrote an article about Peter Lipman documenting his contribution to computing - he created novel low level memory management that lives on today in much of our modern computer tech.

I found this question on USENET - People were asking who Peter Lipman was since he was one of the original architects of VAX VMS https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.vms/c9_quls-Nc8 http://compgroups.net/comp.os.vms/history-peter-lipman/525284

I wrote this draft article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Peter_Lipman

I was unable to satisfy the editors sourcing rubric. Some time has passed and it is now being nominated for removal as I've been unable to improve the sourcing.

Peter's Former boss at DEC, and Security Heavyweight who are both well documented on Wikipedia provided technical background for the article I wrote helping me understand some of his major contributions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1THVkntARc9_4Sa_Q76jm1jneSzlVHgF0k0stXbgVX9U/edit

This history is not publicly documented, but Peter's contribution was early in the computer history world. If the tech journalism that exists today had existed back when Peter was making his contributions, there would be a more public data set on what he did in the same way you see this with folks who are active today, like Jon Callas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Callas who looked up to Peter Lipman as a brilliant forefather. You will see this if you read the writing of Dave Cutler and Jon Callas - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1THVkntARc9_4Sa_Q76jm1jneSzlVHgF0k0stXbgVX9U/edit RE: Peter Lipman

Another VAX VMS architect who died before his time was Dick Hustvedt documented here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Hustvedt previously, but I have less technical information on his contributions.

Any help moving this forward is much appreciated. it's my first wiki effort Etlipman (talk) 17:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)etlipman
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Unfortunately, material on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable, meaning that its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. If there is not sufficient published material available about a person, then we can't have an article about them. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The draft was in danger of being deleted because no-one had edited it for six months. I have made a trivial edit to it, which I hoped will deal with that problem.
 * I would be surprised if his notability cannot be established. I have even heard of him myself. I'll see what I can do to help. Maproom (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I hope you saved a copy of the article, just in case! If not, hurry up & paste it into your sandbox so that you have it for future reference. ScarletRibbons (talk) 20:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * If it does get deleted for some reason, let me know and I'll undelete it (or email you the contents to work offline). Peter Lipman is undoubtedly notable; the issue will be digging out the mentions of him from assorted specialist journals, many of which won't be online. Paging Eric Corbett, who's been very good at digging out sources about early computing in the past. &#8209; Iridescent 20:38, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll make you a deal. You get rid of Jimbo Wales and I'll help find sources. Eric   Corbett  22:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I find that he is mentioned in Wikipedia's articles about his colleaugues Dave Cutler and Dick Hustvedt. That doesn't directly help us, but it's encouraging. Maproom (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Why has my addition been removed?
I have provided exactly battery life of Sony Xperia Z5 Premium Dual Sim E6883

What it had been changing again Pgangwani35 (talk) 22:12, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello Pgangwani35. It appears your additions to the article Sony Xperia Z5 Premium have been reverted because they did not include a citation to a reliable source. It is important that all information in Wikipedia articles include a source so it can be verified by anyone. Moreover, there is likely no reliable way to report battery life other than in units of charge (typically mAh) - the actual time a battery lasts will be heavily dependent on a variety of factors including device usage. Intelligent  sium  00:22, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I have provided the correct information then why it's gets changed
I have provided correct information about x men apocalypse 2016 movie Release date in India is 20 May 2016 Then why it is being removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgangwani35 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Ur:ویکیپیڈیا:چائے خانہ/سوالات
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The standard for film articles is to include the original release date and the release date in the country of origin. If we added the release date in every country, there would be hundreds of such dates clogging the article. Think of it this way: In general, articles about Hollywood films include the U.S. release date, while articles about Bollywood films include the Indian release date.
 * Another problem is that you did not provide a reference to a reliable source. But please be aware that not every single fact belongs in an article. There must be consensus to include the fact among the editors interested in the article. You should discuss such matters on the article's talk page. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  02:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Save Problem
Sometimes I save an edit an it doesn't work. Please help me. Enough with long questions M!necraft36O 02:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by M!necraft36O (talk • contribs)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Sometimes, attempting to click the "save" button doesn't work, especially with some mobile devices. Just try again. Another possibility is an edit conflict. An intervening edit made by someone else while your edit window was open will prevent your edit from being saved. You may need to go back, copy your attempted edit, and paste it into a fresh edit window. This is a common mishap on heavily edited pages. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  02:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

how to create sidebar info graph
how do you insert/format a sidebar graph with a photo and key highlights for that page's topic? MichelleMTL (talk) 03:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, welcome to the Teahouse! The box on the side of an article that highlights key information about the topic is called an "infobox" on Wikipedia. Check out Help:Infobox to learn more. The key is first finding the right infobox to use. If, for example, you are writing about a person, you would use the template . One of the easiest ways to add an infobox is with VisualEditor. Click the "Edit" tab of an article or draft (not the "Edit source" tab), and in the edit window, click the "Insert" button. In the dropdown menu, select "Template". It will pop up with a search bar – use the search bar to find an infobox to use. If, say, the article is about a person, type "infobox person" into the search bar, then "Add template". It will automatically provide you with various fields that you can fill for the infobox. If you need help finding an infobox to use or if you have any other questions, please let us know. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 04:12, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Removing a second copy of an article
Please help me find and remove a second copy of an article I submitted on G.Parthasarathy. I can't seem to find the second copy - not sure how to locate it. When I asked this question earlier, I was told to refer to the Teahouse for my answer but I couldn't find the answer to my question there. Please give me clear instructions on how to do access the correct answer that pertains to my question or explain it to me here. Shyamw1149.152.191.2 (talk) 18:22, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello . You have a draft of an article about G. Parthasarathy at User:Shyamw1/sandbox. There is an article about him which was written by someone else at Gopalapuram Parthasarathy. Is that what you meant? —teb728 t c 20:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Since there is already an article in article space, the draft should be declined, a redirect should be created to G. Parthasarathy, and any information that is in the draft but not the article should be added to the article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:52, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * See previous questions and answers at Teahouse/Questions/Archive 481 and then at Teahouse/Questions/Archive 482. To find your previous contributions in the archive, put your user name into the archive search box, as here. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

my article is being deleted!!!
I'm new to this and have part written an article about the band I perform in, the article will be deleted in a week as I have not referenced it to any articles. how do I do this? the band has been in various newspaper articles and magazines and I am struggling with how to do it "properly" as I have been requested many thanks Bill S Bill scroggs (talk) 20:55, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Cite them just like you have cited ryansgigguide, though preferably make note of the author, publisher, title and date of the source as well. See Help:Referencing for beginners. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * But,, you really need to read about conflict of interest, to see why you are strongly discouraged from working on an article about your band; and your first article to understand the basic requirements for an article. Wikipedia has essentially no interest about what a subject (whether a person, a band, a company or anything else) says about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have published about them in reliable places (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers). If such sources exist (newspapers and magazines are good, but it needs to have people unconnected with you writing in depth about the band, not just listings or passing mentions, and not anything based on press-releases or interviews) then the band meets the criteria called "notability", and we may have an article on it. IN that case, I suggest that you Move the article to draft space, so you (or somebody) can work on it and get its referencing up to scratch. --ColinFine (talk) 00:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Colin Fine, thank you very much for the advice, I will attempt to place the article in draft space, that was where I intended it to go but it seems it's published....whoops, sorry about that, I really appreciate your help and contribution to making the article look presentable for this site. many thanks Bill ScroggsBill scroggs (talk) 08:39, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Edit page name
This page on Wikimedia Commons has a spelling mistake in the name of the page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chuche_of_Ognissanti_(Venice) It should be Church rather than Chuche. What is the best way to correct this? I tried changing the display of the name with DISPLAYTITLE:Church of Ognissanti (Venice) but that didn't work. Thanks. VeniceEmpire (talk) 10:19, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The process is to move the page, and I've done that. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:29, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know what to do in future and correcting it in this case. VeniceEmpire (talk) 13:19, 18 May 2016 (UTC)