Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 56

My media item is being used under a claim of fair use
I have contributed to an article about the art medium "Scratchboard" This is my first experience with Contributing to Wikipedia. I included two images of my own art that was in a book I have written that was published june of 2012. I recieve a notification that in two days the images will be removed. I don't understand why I cannot use my own images. The article is here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratchboard

Dianalee47Dianalee47 (talk) 06:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Dianalee, welcome to Editing Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions (section)! Unfortunately, "there aren't many examples of scratchboard as a fine art with color" is not a very convincing rationale for an image being "not replaceable with free media". For these images to be used in this article, you would need to fill out Declaration of consent for all enquiries and send it back to the email address on that page, mentioning the URLs on Wikipedia where the images are. That's if you are willing to freely license the images, which you may or may not be. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Dianalee, I'd like to talk about the reasons behind the policy that Demiurge describes: The use of content that cannot be reused freely interferes with Wikipedia’s a goal of producing reusable content. For example, if an article contains a non-free picture, that makes it more difficult to reuse the article. So Wikipedia strongly restricts the use of non-free content. One of the restrictions is that non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers understanding. —teb728 t c 04:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Does this page seem Submit-able?
Hello Teahouse Friend,

Just want to have your input that the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Kapil_Srivastava

about an Indian Guitarist is submit-able or have good chances of approval?

Though, I have lot more information to write on him but considering Wiki guidelines of reliable 3rd party sources etc. I am writing less as I want it to be published first.

Kindly guide or make necessary edits, if necessary for facilitation of its publishing

Thank you Mrnit (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I think that the article is of decent quality and you certainly are welcome to submit it at any time, but my concern would be notability...we need third-party reliable sources to establish notability, but this article's sources all seem to be written by the subject. So I would look for some additional sources, but the content itself looks okay. Go   Phightins  !  18:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Look again! The problem is not that the sources are all written by the subject (they aren't), but that the reference are formatted to claim that the sources are all written by the subject. Fixing this problem is the first step towards getting the article published. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your valuable suggestion.

I am afraid, I couldn't understand clearly what you are guiding me with.

Moreover, I am mentioning more links for your input on what can be rejected or selected (based on reliability sources criteria of wiki):

Some of them are from famous print-media in India and some online media

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Music/Monk-on-a-mission/Article1-480486.aspx

http://cityplus.jagran.com/city-news/guitar-monk-strumming-its-way-to-salvation_1303465985.html

http://cityplusepaper.jagran.com/15941/Noida/Vol-VI-Issue-8-November-6-November-12#page/10/2

http://www.afaqs.com/news/company_briefs/index.html?id=53188_Guitarmonk+releases+RoG+-+a+music+album+of+Indian+ragas+on+guitar http://tunes.broadwayworld.com/article/Guitarmonks-Kapil-Srivastava-Gives-Away-5000-Album-Copies-on-Birthday-20120623

http://spyghana.com/ghana-news/reports/press-releases/guitarmonks-founder-kapil-srivastava-announces-5000-album-gifts-for-its-fans-on-his-bday/

http://adgully.com/the-guitar-man-cerebrates-his-b-day-in-a-unique-style-50765.html

http://spyghana.com/entertainment-news/music-news/international-guitar-month-indian-guitaroo-album-vol-2-release-by-kapil-srivastava/

http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=105607

http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=106494

http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=105411

http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=104542

Following are 2 links from one of the worlds best newspapers of India but unfortunately I endeavored hard to retrieve its e-paper edition but could't find it till yet, so i mentioned URL of Mr Kapil's website only:

http://guitarmonk.com/2011/03/24/ht-live-south-delhi-covers-kapil-srivastava/

http://guitarmonk.com/2011/03/24/ht-live-east-delhi-covers-kapil-srivastava-founder-guitarmonk/

Mrnit (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

How do you save a draft without hitting Save Page?
I'm new and it sounds basic, but after two hours creating an article and not finishing it, I hit Save Page, and when logging in again to work on the citations, where is it? The tutorial doesn't explain how you save a work in progress so you can access it again before making any formal submission. When I hit Save Page, was it deleted because it didn't have citations yet? Where did it go and how do I retrieve it? Thanks.Markasimon (talk) 16:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Markasimon. According to your contributions, this was the first and only edit you have ever made with this account, so if the event you described occurred while you were using this account, the edit was never saved anywhere. If you had saved the page and it was deleted, you would have at least received a notification on your talk page. One way to save a work-in-progress without it becoming visible on Wikipedia is to save it to a file on your computer. You can edit your text within Wikipedia (so you can use the preview function to see what it looks like) and then copy it to a file and save it to your hard drive for later. This is most easily done with a simple text editor such as Notepad, Gedit, etc.. Conversely, you can start a work-in-progress in your sandbox, which is a space on Wikipedia that is meant to be used for testing (yours is red right now because you have to add text to create it). You can save your material there without it becoming part of the encyclopedia. That way, others can see it and help you develop it when you ask for help.  hajat vrc  @ 16:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Have things improved? You wrote that if an article had been deleted, the editor would have at least received a notification on his/her talk page.  Long ago, I wrote some articles that were deleted but I never got a notification.  Kdammers (talk) 02:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Nowadays Twinkle and all other automated programs/scripts automatically notify the creator of a page when a CSD/PROD tag is placed on it. It would be very uncommon for someone to place the template manually anymore, and if someone was going to do that they would most likely know to notify the creator anyway. I suppose if someone really didn't know what they were doing it is possible that the page could have been deleted without a notification, but I would assume that the admin who deleted it would make sure the creator knew about it somehow.  hajat vrc  @ 20:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm an administrator, and I can check Markasimon deleted contributions. There are none; the above post was literally his first contribution to Wikipedia under this account.  -- Jayron  32  20:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Emeel S Bertos
Please feel free to redirect this to article (Page) "Emeel S Betros" to the correct Article (Page) for "Emeel S. Betros" who is the same person...he is my father and was a public offical... Wiki Article...He was public official and news sources many times did not put a period (dot) after his middle initial (S)...Thank you. His son..Gregory L. Betros...Our family would rather his name be and not appear at all, but since whatever other think is significant is not deemed by us to be for the public but a personal family tribute to his long battle of which his suffering be left not to be said as he would not want that...Thank you..Please redirect to as I do not know how to do appropriately..Thank you..Gregory  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emeel S Betros (talk • contribs) 05:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Gregory, done for you. NtheP (talk) 06:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I am truly sorry for your loss. Many times people forget that public figures have families with feelings just like all the rest of us.  The draft that you want substituted for the existing article is actually on your userpage and not, as such an article.  The existing article is not the greatest article, but it has plenty of sources to show his notability.  Unfortunately, the info you want added is not verifiable, and as such cannot be added.  We actually have a policy about memorials (WP:NOT).  The article about your father is definitely not uncomplimentary.  Perhaps noting his achievements can serve as a memorial to him for you!  I would be glad to help you in expanding the article.  Feel free to send me any links to information you may have to do that. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

helping out on Wikipedia
I'm brand new to Wikipedia, and I heard that theres a group to hear user account appeals. How could I help out with this to possible hear appeals for similar account name creation, etc.? I am not very good at editing. Also, what do you think needs to be done here? Anti-grief, citing, etc. 3 bit (talk) 03:14, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome 3 bit! There are lots of areas around Wikipedia where you could help out. If you have a particular interest area, you could join a Wiki-Project, where groups of editors with similar interests strive to improve coverage on said topic. Appeals are usually heard by the Arbitration Committee which has elections every year; that is usually reserved for editors slightly more experienced than yourself, but eventually that could be something that if you're interested in you could get involved in. You mentioned username policy; you could monitor this page for new editor's contributions and watch out for inappropriate usernames and report them here. Anyway, there's lots to do, you just need to find something you're interested in. Have fun! Go   Phightins  !  03:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

moving and article from the user page
How do I move a draft of an article that I wrote on my user page to Wikipedia as an article? Also, for pictures that have photo credit on them from entities such as a the Smithsonian, can I just post the picture in the article or do I need written permission? Thanks.BigInk (talk) 22:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome to teahouse! The next step is to submit the article for Articles for creation. Place on the top of the page, and an experienced editor will review the entry and check to make sure that it meets the site's policies and guidelines. Directly moving the draft into the main space is also an option, but because this is your first article, I strongly recommend using AfC. -- xanchester   (t)  23:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * First of all, I hope you don't mind but I moved it to your sandbox so that you can use your userpage for other things. I've also added the AfC tag to it so that an editor will come review it. I don't see any major problems, so after a further look I may just accept it myself. Thanks for your contributions! gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 23:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 *  EDIT : I've added the tag and someone should look at it within a week or two. Thanks again! gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 23:13, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. BigInk (talk) 00:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Wiki Article controlled by Malicious Editor
I've been asked to help an individual who has a Living Bio Wikipedia article. Currently the editor controlling the article will not allow edits. This editor has malicious intent as I will explain. The editor once worked for the subject of the Living bio. After placing pornographic images on employees' computers, they were asked to get either psychological help, or to leave the company. This editor elected to leave. This editor later created a "hate group" against the Living bio subject and has actively tried to defame her. The problem is that this editor controls the Wikipedia article of this Living Bio. We can prove that this editor worked for the Living bio individual, prove that they created a hate group, prove that valuable information from credible sources are being rejected. For example, we have a letter from the State of Oregon, with the Oregon state seal and the government official's signature and contact info on the letter that contains valuable information for the Wikipedia Living bio. However this editor is accusing us of forging this document and will not allow the information on Wikipedia. Other documented and direct testimonial from the Living bio "person" is repressed, such as updated information about recent accomplishments. But we can't get access to the article to begin edits and every attempt is shot-down for unrealistic reasons. I am new to Wikipedia and trying to learn as fast as I can, but need some guidance as to where I can go for help, provide evidence to support my case and gain the ability to make edits to on this living bio. Any help is greatly appreciated. Higgs the Boson (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Higgs, welcome to the Teahouse. Those are some *very* serious accusations, and you will need some *very* convincing evidence to support them.  You will not be able to post any evidence you have to this or any other Wikipedia page directly, as it would constitute outing of a presumably anonymous editor, which is a very big no-no here. I would guess that your best course of action is contacting the Arbitration Committee through email; they are equipped to handle sensitive information.  If they're not the right people to handle it, they'll direct you to the people who are.  The Arbitration Committee's email address is "arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org".  It bears repeating: please don't post any identifying information directly to Wikipedia unless you get a go-ahead from ArbCom. Thanks. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes it is a serious accusation, and thank you for your guidance and understanding of protocol. I will proceed as you directed.Higgs the Boson (talk) 20:05, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Putting a photo on our Wiki page?
I work for the artist that I am trying to put a new photo on his Wiki page. I thought I went through the process and it was posted. Then we got a notice that it was not done right and it was removed. I need help as to what I did wrong? Deutschdesign (talk) 15:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Deutschdesign, welcome to Wikipedia! As David Biddulph said on your talk page, what happened here is that the image has been deleted from Commons, where it was uploaded.  You can see why in this link.  I think the problem is that the photograph is depicting a copyrighted work, and so the photograph itself is also copyrighted to the creator of the work, not the photographer. Thus, the uploader (who is presumably the photographer) cannot release it with the licenses Wikipedia requires, since only the copyright holder (the sculptor of the monument) has legal standing to do that.  Copyright is a tricky business! To get the picture to stay, Benjamin will have to provide his own release of the image to the appropriate license; only he can do it, nobody else.  (Of course, I am not a lawyer, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think that's the issue.) Thanks for trying, though!  The rules about copyrights get all of us tangled up at times, so don't feel bad. :) Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Editing Footnotes
I completed an entry with inline citations. It worked fine, but along the way, I now have duplicative footnotes. For example, I have 10 correct inline citations (footnotes with entries below), but also have another 10 duplicative footnotes below. How can I simply delete them - have tried several different ways but doesn't seem to work.

Also, I notice now that my entry is being considered for deletion, subject to review etc. What does that mean and can I enter that discussion to explain the article?Independentboardmember (talk) 13:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello Independentboardmember. If you follow the blue link to the deletion discussion you will see why. You will also find links there to the policies on notability for an article. The problem is mostly with the quality and relevance of the sources, many of which do not mention the subject. You are of course most wecome to partake in the discussion. You only need the reflist template to show inline citations. Delete the duplicates.--Charles (talk) 13:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I am sorry, but where can I find the blue ling to the deletion discussion? On the notability, it is common for business publications to mention the firm (JP Morgan) but not the individuals. Companies involved in the transactions and industry participants know that Mr. Errichetti was the lead advisory as he is a leading investment banker in the industry and these were his clients. That was why one of the articles from the Wall Street Journal was originally included, referencing the deal volume and some of the transactions by name. However, it appears that in the search, the WSJ restricts the archived article to subscribers - which is problematic. I sent a copy of the article to one of the original reviewers (it is part of a larger article with different tittle ("Plots&Ploys") which is a weekly article in the WSJ that reports on major developments in the real estate industry) so they could read it and prove out the reference. I have noticed that in Wikipedia articles on notable business leaders like Mr. Errichetti ,the entry is very often similar to the standard Business Week profiles on the web. I originally tried that but it was deleted for some reason, so that is why the current entry has much more information and footnotes to individual transactions that he was responsible for.Independentboardmember (talk) 14:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I now understand your comment regarding blue link to deletion. Actually, I am interested in a how to tutorial on deleting the duplicate footnote references, not the deletion of the entire article. Sorry for the confusion. I hope my previous comments explain the rest. Who is the final arbiter on possible deletion in the entry's current form? I can try to make changes and revert back to the previous form, if required to stave off deletion.Independentboardmember (talk) 14:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I have deleted the duplicate references for you; if you look at this  it will show you what I did.  As for "Who is the final arbiter on  possible deletion?", the answer, as for nearly everything in Wikipedia, is that decisions are made by consensus, looking at the contributions made to the deletion discussion. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much for doing that - greatly appreciated and the best part of my day! Thanks too for answering the question on possible deletion. I am learning a lot about Wikipedia through this effort. Hopefully, the consensus will favor inclusion of the entry.Independentboardmember (talk) 15:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I skimmed through the article and the AfD nomination. The main problem is that there's a lack of significant coverage by secondary sources. On Wikipedia, articles must meet the general notability guideline, which requires that the coverage must be significant (brief mentions in news articles are considered trivial). A detailed article profiling the person in the New York Times is a good example of what the editors on AfD are looking for.-- xanchester  (t)  23:03, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

finishing an article
I am in the process of creating my first Wikipedia article. Is there any way for someone to check through my article and tell me what I need to fix or if it's good to go? Tylersanthony (talk) 17:27, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I assume you mean the draft article about G. Turner Howard III? I've gone ahead and moved the article to Wikipedia's main article space, because Howard was evidently notable as a successful international tennis player. However, a lot of the other information in the article needs references so the information can be verified. Hope that helps! Congratulations on adding something of interest to the encyclopedia! Sionk (talk) 20:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've performed some minor copy-editing to the article to help out in improving its layout. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

user page
my user page does not exist... did i forget something? thanks! Memphisflash56 (talk) 14:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No, Memphisflash, you are fine. Thanks for coming to the teahouse to ask about it though.  To create your userpage, just click on the redlink of your name.  It will ask if you want to create your userpage, click on the redlink again and an edit screen will appear. Just add somecontent and save and you will have a userpage! Gtwfan52 (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Gtwfan52,


 * thank you... i am sorry i couldn't respond earlier; i had my hands full with my kids :-) Memphisflash56 (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)Memphisflash56 (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

add/create categories
Hi, thank you for the teahouse! I would like to know how to add categories, and if I can create my own (I don't think I have to, there are so many; but i am curious). Thank you! Memphisflash56 (talk) 14:35, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Memphisflash56! Thanks for stopping by The Teahouse.  Adding categories is easy.  What you would do is add the page name of the category to the bottom of the page, encased in double square brackets.  For example, to add the category titled "Presidents of the United States" to a page, you would add  exactly like that to the bottom of said page.  The category name will appear at the bottom of the page, and the page itself will also be included at Category:Presidents of the United States.  You can get more help and more detailed information at Help:Category and Categorization.  Does this help?  -- Jayron  32  20:54, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Jayron,

thanks for your time! This was very helpful! Do you know how to add other articles to a category I created? Do I contact the original authors to get their ok? thank you!Memphisflash56 (talk) 20:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * To add a category without using code, simply use HotCat, a tool that allows you to add/remove categories from pages (which was recently enabled for all registered users by default). Simply go to the bottom of the page, look for the gray box, and click the (+) link to add a category. For more detailed information on how to use HotCat, please read the main HotCat page.
 * To add a category manually using code, type  preferably at or near the bottom of the page.
 * Since Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, you don't have to ask anyone, be bold! (unless it happens to be a very controversial category, but I can't think of any particular category that is.) The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 21:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Anonymouse,

thanks for your answer! It's not a controversial category (I hope at least :-)). Thank you also for reviewing my first article; I hope I was able to correct it accordingly. Memphisflash56 (talk) 21:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Can I add my own online prose to articles?
Hi!

I just had the idea to help edit articles because I'm also working on a blog, that I realized would serve the SAME purpose as wikipedia articles. I would like to post on my blog with my words, citing current research or news. Can I use the SAME text when adding to wikipedia article or do I have to tweak it so that it isn't same as something else online and then get deleted?

Thank you!

75.180.61.54 (talk) 01:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello again Just Curious (well, that's what I called you above, so let's just go with that). Regarding this, if you do wish to reuse text you have written before at Wikipedia, you may so long as 1) it is of the correct tone, style, and up to Wikipedia's standards for citing sources and 2) You release it on your blog under a license compatible with Wikipedia.  Wikipedia text is released under two licenses: GFDL and CC-BY-SA 3.0.  What you would need to do is have a prominent notice on your blog that your text is also licensed under  GFDL and CC-BY-SA 3.0.  There's a longer description on how to do this at Donating copyrighted materials.  Does that help?  -- Jayron  32  01:27, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, Hello again Jayron32!

yes that is very helpful. totally get it. THANK YOU!! 75.180.61.54 (talk) 01:34, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, curious. Welcome to the Teahouse.  I do think it is worth emphasizing that only referenced, factual content may be added.  Personal opinions have no place on Wikipedia.  Also, you cannot use your blog as a reference, but you certainly can use the content and what you referenced it to on your blog, as long as you follow Jayron's guidance above on copyright release. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello (IP) 75.180.61.54. For related information, check out Wikipedia's policy page regarding Verifiability and the guideline pages Notability and Identifying reliable sources. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Controlling disambiguation
I am considering my first article, but there is an unavoidable ambiguity with the title. I do not want my article to take precedence over the existing one because I beleive the the existing one to be of higher importance. Can I ensure this is the case when I create the article, and what are the criteria for determining which article is the default in the case of such ambiguity? Dave.Davedane (talk) 05:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey Dave! Does a disambiguation page already exist for the article in question? If so, you'll probably want to obtain consensus that the other article is the primary topic. Can you provide me a link so I can take a look? Thanks-- Go  Phightins  !  05:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_Festival
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_Festival

This is the existing article which is in no way connected. It is the bigger event (although the article on it is rather small) but this one is not derived from of directly named after the other.

Dave. Davedane (talk) 05:39, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Dave! I suggest you create the new article at a title like Holland Festival (Whangarei) or wherever it is, and then add a Hatnote to the top of the existing article Holland Festival. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I'll try it when the time comes to upload. Any problems, I'll be in touch :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davedane (talk • contribs) 02:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

cannot add ref list because it says there are blacklisted references - how do I know which are
I do not know how to find out which of my references are blacklisted and there are more than 100 on my page. How do I find this? It seems I cannot include my Reflist for my footnotes to show until I remove the bad one. Please help me! Thanks Marcomgirl (talk) 05:50, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Marcomgirl. Welcome to Wikipedia and the teahouse.  According to the edit screen, it says that your bad link is on the domain www.squidoo.com .  Hope that helps.  Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello Marcomgirl: Here's a list of spam-blacklisted sites that are banned for use on Wikipedia as links: MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. Hopefully this helps out! Northamerica1000(talk) 18:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Notability Question
I've recently come across a local hip hop artist and wanted to know how notable must he be to merit his own Wikipedia page. I've created a test article as a subpage to my own personal page, and if someone could pop in there and review it, then I'd greatly appreciate it.

The link should be at: MC_FÜBB

Cheers, LeoDaVinci (talk) 20:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey LeoDaVinci. Unfortunately I had to remove the entire second paragraph of your test article because it was copy-and-pasted directly from here. This is a copyright violation, which cannot even appear in your own user space. As far as notability goes, I am looking through WP:MUSICBIO and I am not seeing this rapper as meeting the criteria. I performed some searches and MC FÜBB does not appear to have received the level of independent media coverage that is required to warrant his own article. If you disagree with this, by all means link us to some sources!  hajat vrc  @ 21:12, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

(wrote this earlier so I will add it anyway just in case it is useful)
 * Hi Leonardo, welcome to Editing Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions (section)! It's very hard to see whether a musician is notable when you haven't included any sources. The existence of significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources is generally what decides notability (some further details are at WP:42).


 * An example I often give of a musical act that are just barely notable, is Da Gryptions. I know that they are just barely notable because I tried to have the article deleted, but the community disagreed with me :-) The basis for the article being kept, was the references, so they are worth looking at in detail - with the exception of the Twitter, YouTube and iTunes refs, which are basically worthless as far as notability is concerned. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello LeoDaVinci. Check out WP:GNG, along with WP:BAND, part of Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Notability (music) page. Northamerica1000(talk) 18:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

AC/DC receiver design
There's a confrotnation by IP user 86.159.159.194 believing the information provided is reduntant and deleted without noticing the sources, if there a solution to this information. 97.64.214.150 (talk) 17:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the teahouse! You should discuss the issue with the other editor. The anon has initiated a discussion at Talk:AC/DC receiver design.-- xanchester  (t)  18:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello (IP) 97.64.214.150: Another option is to post a request regarding this matter at Third opinion, to obtain opinion from uninvolved persons. Northamerica1000(talk) 18:47, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Steinert High School logo
I am having numerous copyright issues with the logo used by Steinert High School. I am an Alumni of the school, so I would like to find a viable solution. The logo used is identical to the Michigan State University logo, The Spartan. I doubt that MSU would sue a high school over its usage, but its use has been objected to on Wikipedia. I found a few alternatives that might be used.
 * A cloth patch which is sold in the Steinert school store (this is my own Flickr account, using it to demonstrate) Spartan cloth patch which was commissioned by the school and is obviously different from the MSU logo.
 * Another logo was designed by one of my classmates, which is obviously different from the MSU logo. She sells it on t-shirts and so forth. She owns the copyright, but I could use it on Wikipedia under Fair Use. Steinert Spartans Alumni Although it is not the "official" school logo, I can certainly identify it as used by Alumni (not in the Infobox, but in the Alumni section perhaps). Opinions? Are either of these viable to use on the school page? Gamweb (talk) 09:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Gamweb, welcome to the Teahouse. An interesting situation this one and I'm not totally sure of the answer.  The logo you added was deleted with the edit summary Not fair use. The Image is a trademark of Michigan State University. Just because it is being used improperly on another website does not make it appropriate here.  I suppose the first thing to do is to understand the way the image is used by the school.  It may well be a trademarked logo of MSU but that doesn't mean to say that it's use by Steinert High School is wrong as they may well hold a licence from MSU to use it.  I would start by asking the school what the situation is, if they are using a trademarked logo without permission then that is their problem and here the mistake should not be repeated.  If however they have an agreement with MSU, or can demonstrate that the school log is not identical then you can reinstate the fair use you had.  If there isn't a valid reason for using it, to be honest I just wouldn't bother having a logo in the infobox. The use of images, especially non-free ones, is about adding value and understanding to the article. Alumni logos don't, in my opinion, do this so aren't worth adding. Sorry I can't give you a definitive answer. NtheP (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * One approach would be to arbitrarily decide that the cloth patch logo is, in fact, the official logo of the high school (since it's commissioned by them, perfect logic, yes yes yes), and therefore is eligible to be used in the WP article about the school under fair use. And ignore the, umm, other logo. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:30, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The cloth patch image at Flickr (Spartan cloth patch) is licensed (apparently by you) on under Creative Commons 2.0, so technically it should be okay to use on Wikipedia, provided that copyright for the patch isn't held by any entity. There are also fair use guidelines that may come into play, in which even if the patch is copyrighted, it may still be usable on Wikipedia, provided it is used per the guidelines at Non-free content. Hopefully this helps to address your query. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Citing sources
how do I cite sources? I add citations, and when I put at the bottom, it doesn't work. my article is PrankvsPrank

Rosscoolguy (talk) 00:31, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Ross and welcome to the Teahouse. To cite sources, click the button that says "templates" in the main editing interface and then select the medium of the source, fill out the necessary info, and then click insert and it will insert a properly formatted citation. Go   Phightins  !  00:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello! For more information, see Referencing for beginners. The page has a video tutorial on how to cite sources.-- xanchester  (t)  03:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Am I blind? I can't find a button that says "templates" - nor does the search function give a hit.  Maybe I don't understand what you mean by "the main editing itnerface."  I assumed you meant the window that comes up when  I click on "edit this page." Kdammers (talk) 03:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You're probably not blind :). If you click the edit link to edit this section, what comes up is what I'm referring to as the main editing interface. There are four tabs: advanced, special characters, help, and cite. Click on cite, and under that should be a link that says "templates". From there, choose the type of resource it is and there's a template. Sorry for the ambiguity in my prior answers.. Go   Phightins  !  04:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Greetings Rosscoolguy: For comprehensive information about citing sources, also check out Citing sources. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added inline citations to the PrankvsPrank article. Hopefully this helps you out to ascertain how this is performed. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 19:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

How could I put up A picture on a page?
I've been trying to put up a picture on one of your pages and I want to how to put one up. Thinker21 (talk) 22:39, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! If you have a specific picture in mind, you can click the little picture icon in the editing window and type the file name of the picture with the caption you want and click insert, and it should add it. If you're looking for a picture, check out [commons.wikimedia.org this page] which has a repository of free media. Thanks-- Go  Phightins  !  22:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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HI. I am new and want to add a picture to my article. How do I insert it I have microsoft and JPEG  and I have my own picture

and how do I delete whats in my sandbox

thanks   16 November 2012  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisonkeay (talk • contribs) 11:59, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Alisonkeay, welcome to the Teahouse. To add a picture, use the file upload wizard, being sure to follow the Image use policy. The wizard will help you with this. To delete what's in your sandbox, simply blank the page. If you would like to remove the revisions visible in the page history from public view, you can mark it for speedy deletion as user request. To remove some or all revisions from even administrator sight, for example if they contain personal information, see WP:OVERSIGHT. ⁓ Hello  71  23:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Is it okay to brag?
I created a complex little quote-box, that frankly belongs on the Main Page -- Would it be okay to post a copy of it so you can tell me how wonderful I am? ;) ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Or, see Vitaly Korotich quote-box: Template:Quote box/examples ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC) Last modified:01:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure you created the quote box, but if so, congratulations. Wikipedia needs editors who are technically inclined. If you have this particular skill set, perhaps you'd be interested in volunteering here, where users come with technical glitches. You could help troubleshoot them. Feel free to come back should you have further questions. Go   Phightins  !  01:56, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure? The quote is from yesterday's BBC News. - Okay, I did "borrow" various elements from some other examples, but... ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 02:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought you were talking about the template itself...I have no doubt that you added the text to the box, a task for which you should be commended. There's always a need for good-faith contributors with initiative such as yourself. Go   Phightins  !  02:31, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Is this a good reason to revert and then veto a change?
Should a lack of consensus for a change be used as a defence for flouting a Wikipedia policy regarding the size of a thumbnail image? Eff Won (talk) 19:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the teahouse! Wikipedia doesn't have a fixed policy on image or thumbnail size, but it does have some guidelines at Manual of Style/Images. That says "This guideline is a part of the English Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions." So nothing is written in stone, if local consensus is against it. But, if someone is going against the Manual of Style outrageously, it may be that they're just... misguided :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the quick reply but... WP:IMGSIZE is in the Image use policy "policy"; "a widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow". It says: "In general, do not define the size of an image unless there is a good reason to do so". There has not been a good reason offered for the images in question here, other than a lack of consensus. Is that really a valid and "good reason" to ignore such a policy? Eff Won (talk) 19:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello Eff Won. I'm not entirely sure that The Teahouse is really the proper venue to get resolution to a conflict.  We can certainly direct you to relevant pages at Wikipedia that can give you guidance on the issue, but this isn't really the place to gather "allies" or get ammunition for defending your side in a dispute.  Instead, may I suggest you try to use The Dispute Resolution Noticeboard, which is a mechanism designed to solve intractable disputes.  There you will find other users who are interesting in help critically analyze a situation from a disinterested perspective and help to resolve conflicts and disputes.  Does that help? -- Jayron  32  19:39, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Jayron32, thanks for the advice - I'll take a look at WP:DRN as you suggest. I was looking for an opinion really as to whether the rejection of a change, required merely to comply with a policy, and which had no impact at all on content, could legitimately be vetoed in such a way. Eff Won (talk) 19:50, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Page Notice on the Edit page of an article
I am working on an article for a Canadian hockey player. The content contains words spelled in the Canadian way.. such as 'colour' rather than the American 'color'. I would like the Canadian spelling to remain that way because it is an article about a Canadian hockey player.

In Bobby Orr Wiki entry, there is a page notice concerning editing the 'canadian typos'. It is located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Editnotices/Page/Bobby_Orr

Would it be possible to put something like that on the JimJackson (ice hockey) page?

Thanks!

NorthernDancer55 (talk) 15:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. Sure, just place Canadian English on the top of the talk page.-- xanchester  (t)  21:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and inserted it.-- xanchester  (t)  21:48, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

How do I provide more reliable references?
I have written an entry for an artist called Charlotte Verity. I work for her and for her husband Christopher Le Brun, who has a wikipedia page and I have no difficulty in managing his entry. I am the most reliable source of information available, aside from Charlotte herself so I don't understand why I keep having my submission rejected. Please can you help me? I have been working on this for a week, and am starting to look a fool in front of my boss. Thank you. Nicola 2.96.36.248 (talk) 11:15, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, Nicola, and welcome to the Teahouse. While what you have said sounds reasonable in the world at large, it is not how things work in Wikipedia. The problem with regarding you as the most reliable source is twofold: first, while a person named Nicola and employed by the artists may be the most reliable source, readers of Wikipedia have no way of determining whether a post from a particular IP address and signed 'Nicola' is actually from that person. Secondly, if somebody reads the article in two or five or ten or twenty years, they will have no way of contacting you to verify that what the article says is correct. For these reasons, Wikipedia requires that all information be referenced to reliable published sources. (There is admittedly quite a lot of unreferenced information in Wikipedia, but this is liable to be removed at any time).
 * Further, there is a criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia, and that is that the subject is 'notable': meaning that the subject has already been written about it in multiple independent sources. New articles are often rejected because they do not establish that the subject is notable (sometimes the subject is really not notable (or not yet notable), but sometimes it is notable but the article does not cite the references needed to show this).
 * There is one more important issue, which is that all articles must be written in a neutral tone, and in particular must not be in any way promotional. When one has a close connection to a subject, it can be difficult to achieve this. For this reason, editors are strongly discouraged from working on articles where they may have a conflict of interest. I'm afraid that for you to create an acceptable article about the artists who employ you is going to be very hard, and you would be well advised not to try. If you have the independent references necessary to establish that they are notable, then I would suggest that you place a request here for somebody else to write an article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has an alternative 'notability' test for artists at WP:ARTIST. For example, we would consider an artist worthy of Wikipedia if they are "represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums". If you can show proof that Verity has work in the permanent collections of the museums you've listed, she may meet our criteria. As ColinFine says, it is difficult to remain dispassionate if you have a close connection with the subject but, in this case, you have written the article quite simply and neutrally. Best of luck! Sionk (talk) 19:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Where should I request a long-term block?
People often anonymously vandalize from the IP of the school I attend, see User talk:194.151.221.94. I think blocking anonymous editing from this IP is appropriate, given the long-term abuse originating from it. However, I'm having a bit of trouble making sense of the various noticeboards there seem to be for this sort of thing, especially because the warnings are not always "recent", though certainly long-term.

Where should I go with this request? Knight of Truth (talk) 10:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, Knight of Truth, welcome to the Teahouse! There isn't really a place to ask for this kind of thing.  If there was an immediate problem, then the place to report it would be AIV, which I imagine you've already found. But it really shouldn't be necessary to make a long-term block unless there is an immediate problem.  Vandalism sucks, but we have a lot of people and a very good bot who monitor for that type of thing, so preemptively blocking isn't needed. I suppose that, in theory, the place to ask for this kind of thing (where there's no immediate problem to report at AIV) would be the administrators' noticeboard, but again, I wouldn't bother.  Thanks for the concern, though! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 14:52, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, there is a special place for such requests: see WP:OTRS; we have a group of   screened WP volunteers who deal with these and any other questions from the public. I work there primarily on problems of just this sort, and I can reinforce what Writ Keeper says, that there is rarely reason for a long term block, and all that is necessary is to revert it yourself and report it at WP:AIV.  There certainly is none in this case, nor for any block at all. There seem to have been only 4 edits this entire term, and one of them was useful. The previous term there were 8, of which 2 were useful; a one day block was used to stop a particularly obnoxious set of edits, which seems to have been sufficient.  As school ip's go, this is very little. All the vandalism was very soon reverted, --we have gotten very good at that.  DGG ( talk ) 16:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

how should I list the references I need to present in a way to verify my article .. ie CD critics and press .?
The reviews and verifying articles to back up my article on cellist Michael Jones are all on line but if I am understand correctly they must be written in a different scource form ? I see that someone has been helping me in finding douments which back up my article so I imagine this must be a friendly editor, not a robot ? Is it possible to chat to an experienced editor to get help on how to present my references ? I am getting closer but still much to learn about the process and I feel I need help from one of your team..

Thank you Wikipedia 79.147.119.187 (talk) 02:52, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! If I understand your question correctly, you want to know how to add properly formatted references. See Referencing for beginners for full information, but the gist of it is as follows: in the main editing page, click on "cite" and then on "templates" which will give you a drop down menu with different types of citations, from there choose the one you want, insert the necessary parameters, and insert. Hopefully this answered your question, but if it didn't, don't hesitate to post a follow-up. Thanks-- Go  Phightins  !  02:58, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * in addition,
 * 1) if your source is online, if you place the URL in the box with the button funky green arrows beside it and then click the button, many of the fields will auto populate.
 * 2) for reviews, Wikipedia only uses professional review sites. You can find a list WikiProject Albums/Review sites which idetifies some of the sites that are and are not acceptable.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:06, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

proposing article merges
This is not something I've done before, and I find the procedure somewhat daunting.

Here's my example proposition:

You Don't Know Jack (video game series) and You Don't Know Jack (2011 video game). No real material changes have been made to the game itself, and the series issue includes information about the 2011 release; really, the only difference is that the 2011 version is ported to Internet-capable game consoles, which is, again, duly noted in the series article. The mechanics of setting up, proposing and executing a merge is where I'm confused. Absurdist1968 (talk) 23:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. I guess you've probably had a good look at Merging. You're right that it's a little complicated. Something I've often seen omitted is the rationale, which should be on the proposed destination talk page. Without this, I think you'll get less participation and the tags will probably be removed from the articles. Then you'll obviously want to monitor the discussion, after perhaps notifying the relevant WikiProjects. My personal preference would be to wait at least a month before seeing whether consensus is determined. This gives a reasonable chance for casual contributors to notice the discussion and contribute too. If you'd like the merge setting up for you, then that could be done and you could see exactly what edits were made to do so. -- Trevj (talk) 09:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

How to code a WIKI page so it word wraps when it prints
I'm working in MoinMoin, so I'm not sure if this is the right place to post. I'm doing fine coding my pages for an internal procedures manual. To get a printable page in Word (where all text is visible), I cut-and-paste into Word.

I've been reading WIKIPEDIA pages in raw text trying to figure out the coding to use. I'm stumped. Can someone direct me to an instructions page or otherwise assist? Thanks so much. I love the internet community and WIKI. Just discovered the TeaHouse; glad to be here. LakeCityWriterLakeCityWriter (talk) 22:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the teahouse! Help:Wiki markup is what you're looking for. There's also a helpful video on the page. I hope that helps.-- xanchester  (t)  22:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response. I looked at Help:Wiki markup you suggested.  Didn't see anything obvious to wrap text for a whole document.  I did see the ` but I can't see coding an entire document guessing where it would break when printed out (not to mention I've coding hundreds of pages.)  Could the wrap text be in the print function itself rather than the document??  LakeCityWriterLakeCityWriter (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey LakeCityWriter, I'm not entirely sure I understand your question. On the wikis run by the Wikimedia Foundation there is usually a "Print/export" or "Download as PDF" in the left side links under the logo (and maybe under "Toolbox") which is (not perfect) but a good way to get a printable page. For advice with your own wiki you might want to look on MediaWiki. Does that help at all or maybe you can add more to your question. Good luck! heather walls (talk) 21:21, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Which links are reliable?

 * In reference to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kapil Srivastava

Hello,

Kindly guide with what links you think can be accepted (based on reliability sources criteria of wiki)?:

Some of these links are from famous print-media in India and some are from global online media as:


 * http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Music/Monk-on-a-mission/Article1-480486.aspx
 * http://cityplus.jagran.com/city-news/guitar-monk-strumming-its-way-to-salvation_1303465985.html
 * http://cityplusepaper.jagran.com/15941/Noida/Vol-VI-Issue-8-November-6-November-12#page/10/2
 * 
 * http://tunes.broadwayworld.com/article/Guitarmonks-Kapil-Srivastava-Gives-Away-5000-Album-Copies-on-Birthday-20120623
 * http://spyghana.com/ghana-news/reports/press-releases/guitarmonks-founder-kapil-srivastava-announces-5000-album-gifts-for-its-fans-on-his-bday/
 * http://adgully.com/the-guitar-man-cerebrates-his-b-day-in-a-unique-style-50765.html
 * http://spyghana.com/entertainment-news/music-news/international-guitar-month-indian-guitaroo-album-vol-2-release-by-kapil-srivastava/
 * http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=105607
 * http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=106494
 * http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=105411
 * http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=104542

Following are also the 2 news from one of the worlds best newspapers of India but unfortunately I endeavored hard to retrieve its e-paper edition but could't find it till yet, so i mentioned URL of Mr Kapil's website only:
 * http://guitarmonk.com/2011/03/24/ht-live-south-delhi-covers-kapil-srivastava/
 * http://guitarmonk.com/2011/03/24/ht-live-east-delhi-covers-kapil-srivastava-founder-guitarmonk/

Mrnit (talk) 22:50, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. I've not checked the individual sources, but you could try asking at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. -- Trevj (talk) 09:39, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I have checked the sources, and am rather familiar with Indian newspapers. I'd avoid using adgully, and I'm a little doubtful about broadwauworld and spyghana, because there is no indication of any editorial control over content. The newspaper ones are fine. The two final ones are from the Hindustani Times online edition, the dates are given on the pages, and the byline is at the top of the article, but only visible if you zoom the image in several steps. If you cannot find the HT Times items on their website for those dates, cite them as such anyway, specifying that you actually saw them on the artists's site.  DGG ( talk ) 16:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Linking to anchors?
how do i place an anchor?

i tried making a section with that title and linking to randompage#randomplace but it didnt work. there is

randomplace
in the relevant area aswell.


 * The preceding unsigned comment was made by Samuseal (talk) Go   Phightins  !  03:35, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Samuseal, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can refer to a section named “Section name” on an page named “Page name” by entering . So for example you could refer to this section of this forum as   —teb728 t c 04:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. You can also use anchor and visible anchor. These should offer some future-proofing both from within the particular article and from targeted redirects, if others later rename the sections. You may also choose to include a brief comment in the markup, explaining which articles/areas link to the anchor as targeted redirects. Anchors to sections within articles aren't used all that much (I'm not sure what the Manual of Style says about them, if anything) but can sometimes be useful, in my opinion. -- Trevj (talk) 09:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Creating an infobox for University Golf Teams
Hi I'm in the process of creating a page for a British University Golf Team, but I'm having a bit of trouble in finding a suitable infobox. There is an infobox that exists for College Golf Teams in the USA, but they do not really apply to the system that we have here in the UK. I know exactly what needs to be on the template but I have no idea how to create one. I've been trawling through youtube and here trying to find a succinct description on what exactly to do, but to no avail... help? :)Rambo.XIV (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello Rambo.XIV and welcome. No easy way to say this really. It is unlikely that a university golf team is going to be considered notable for inclusion. The team would need to have been written about in multiple mainstream secondary sources such as national newspapers or magazines. You can read the details of notability here if you wish.--Charles (talk) 00:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your valuable suggestions.


 * Hello Rambo.XIV: Check out this template page: Template:Infobox sports team. Perhaps this may have the types of options you're seeking. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:21, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your responses Charles & Northamerica1000. The university team that I am writing about can be found here - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mary,_University_of_London_Golf_Club).

I had to use a rugby team infobox template initially, as it was the closest one I could find. There are existing infobox templates for golf 'facilities', but they refer to golf courses rather than teams. Thanks for the Sports Team one Northamerica 1000. However, it's difficult to fit in the home golf course under the titles 'arena', 'ballpark' or 'stadium'. If there was an amalgamation of the sports and rugby team infobox, it would be perfect. Something along the lines of:

I understand though that if there is low demand, it cannot be done. What do you reckon?Rambo.XIV (talk) 17:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Greetings Rambo.XIV: If you feel that the creation of the new infobox Infobox university golf team can help to improve the encyclopedia, please feel free to Be bold and do so! From this point, the template can also be used in other articles thereafter. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Northamerica1000, that takes me back to my original post though - I have no idea how to create an infobox! I've been searching everywhere for clear instructions - would you kindly help me out, I'm fairly new to editing on Wikipedia. ThanksRambo.XIV (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Creating templates is not an ideal job for a new editor, but you said you wanted to base it on Template:Infobox rugby team so you could try copying that and using it as the basis for your new template. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:41, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input David Biddulph but that does not really help. I already stated that I intended to use Template:Infobox rugby team as a basis, you're only reiterating my point. My problem is that I do not know where to start when it comes to creating an infobox template. If someone would kindly take the time out to direct me, I would greatly appreciate this - I'm a fast learner! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mary,_University_of_London_Golf_ClubRambo.XIV (talk) 00:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try to help. This'll probably get pretty technical, though, so maybe it would be better to move the discussion to Template talk:Infobox university golf team? Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 00:13, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've made a first attempt at creating the infobox: you can check out a mockup I did at User:Writ Keeper/sandbox2. Let me know what needs changing and we can go from there. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 00:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * This looks brilliant so far WritKeeper⚇♔! Thanks so much for taking the time out to do this! The only things to alter, I would say, are to have the 'teamname' above the infobox instead of the 'university', to change 'yards' to 'length' like they do on the Golf Facility infobox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_golf_facility), and to add a line for 'Tournament(s)' underneath 'League'. Otherwise it's perfect! Cheers Rambo.XIV (talk) 13:32, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, done; mockup's still in the same place. I actually changed it to display both the university name and the team name; let me know if you'd rather just have the team name. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 14:44, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I meant to say 'Tournament(s)' above 'League' not below. Perhaps we should keep the 'University' title inside the infobox, before 'Nickname(s)', and just have the 'Teamname' above the infobox. Great job, I'm sure many British golf teams will be thanking you for this in the future! Rambo.XIV (talk) 15:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, done. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:22, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You are a hero Rambo.XIV (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2012 (UTC)