Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 580

How to report an admin account?
Hello, in Arabic wikipedia many fake informations like (fake number of earth layers, fake benefits of drinking camel urine...), and sadly most of Arab admins reject any scientific modification that conflict with the Quranic science, and there are a lot of non-encyclopedic articles that talk about fake miracles of Quran, Hadith...etc, that no one can even discuss or critic, or he may get blocked!, ex: الإعجاز العلمي في بيت العنكبوت ، الإعجاز العلمي في السنة النبوية ، الإعجاز الكوني في القرآن ، الإعجاز الفلكي في القرآن ، نبوءات رسول الله ، الإعجاز الغيبي في القرآن الكريم ، الإعجاز العلمي في القرآن

Arabic wikipedia is similar to an Islamic forum, what can we do with such admins? Moußsa (talk) 18:33, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Moußsa. I'm sorry to see that you are having some conflict with other at ar.wiki. Unfortunately, en.wiki has no authority over what happens at ar.wiki, and since the vast majority of us likely to not speak the language, we aren't even in a position to comment on the state of affairs. I'm afraid you will have to deal with your conflicts as best you can with other Arab speaking editors on the Arab language project. Timothy Joseph Wood  18:41, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss this on the English Wikipedia would likely be Administrators' noticeboard, . The equivalent page on the Arabic Wikipedia is linked on the left-hand side of that page. That might be worth a try. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:20, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Direct link. Timothy Joseph Wood  19:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Although if the problem really is with most admins, then reporting the issue to admins might not be successful. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Are there international equivalents of the arbitration committee who would act as the escalation path for issues like that? Mortee (talk) 19:58, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Foundation. But for what it's worth, when users come from other language Wikis and bring reports of armageddon, it's usually because there's a bit more to the story than what is being told in English. Not much we can do about it anyway. Individual projects have to take care of their own, and if it's not going to get the WMF sued, they're probably not going to have a strong onion about it. There's only about 300 employees worldwide, and their not in the habit of getting involved in content disputes. Timothy Joseph Wood  20:06, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's what I would have assumed. I was just curious if the structure was the same. Thanks for explaining. Mortee (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . There is one place here on Wikipedia where discussion of developments or problems anywhere in the Wikimedia movement in any language is appropriate. That is the talk page of one of the co-founders of Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales. His talk page is User talk: Jimbo Wales. I suggest that you prepare a post there that identifies two or three of the most clear-cut examples of the problems you see,  along with links and brief translations. I also agree that contacting the Wikimedia Foundation in San Francisco is appropriate. They have at least one Arabic speaking employee. Another possibility is a Facebook group called "Wikipedia Weekly" which has members interested in such broad issues,  including many administrators and WMF employees. Such communications may not immediately solve the problems you see,  but they may allow you to connect with people willing to take a much closer look at the problems you perceive.  Cullen328   Let's discuss it  01:38, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna go ahead and ping and  as active editors listed at Local Embassy to see if they can help at all.  Timothy Joseph Wood  02:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a content dispute between Moußsa and ar:User:باسم regarding the article ar:الإعجاز العلمي في القرآن specifically this revert in the article and this revert on the talk page. I can see that Moußsa's addition to the article was written in an unencyclopediac way. (For example, his added text used English Wikipedia as a reference which is incorrect as Wikipedia can't be a reference to itself.) And the said article already contains a full section criticizing the concept written in an encylopediac way with references. (Section 7 of the article, titled "المعارضة" which is Arabic for "Opposition", and all its subsections.) Also, he repeated the article content on the talk page. Talk pages contain discussions about article contents not the content itself, so, I can see why his edits were reverted on the talk page. On the other hand, I don't know why باسم hid Moußsa's edits. Such edits shouldn't be normally hidden. Overall, I see that Moußsa's complain is unjustified and I would be happy to discuss this issue with WMF officials if they want to step in. --Meno25 (talk) 07:12, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for your response

Most of Arabic wikipedia sources are English or non-Arabic sources because Arabic sources are so poor!, ex: أمارلس Those aren't the only non-encyclopedic pages in Arabic wikipedia, I can report here more than 100 pages, thanks Moußsa (talk) 10:42, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Moußsa: I realize that may seem like a lot, but the English Wikipedia, with over five million entries, has tens of thousands of unencyclopedic articles that need fixing. That's just the work that needs to be done. Timothy Joseph Wood  10:57, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Another point to consider is that the Arabic Wikipedia may be bound by the laws of the country that hosts that wiki's servers, and if that country's laws prohibit criticism of the prevailing religious dogma, then the wiki can't violate those laws.

Conversely, the English Wikipedia has a constant stream of people from Arabic-speaking countries who complain that images of Muhammad are prohibited, not realizing that the English Wikipedia is not bound by Islamic rules. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:28, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Isn't the Arabic Wikipedia hosted in the same place as the English Wikipedia, ? Cordless Larry (talk) 22:34, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. In any case, any editor is still subject to the laws of the country where they reside... and not all countries grant a right to free speech like the US does. I'm not saying this is the case for the OP, I don't know Saudi Arabia's laws, but I'm just throwing the idea out there as an explanation of why the ar-wiki admins are acting as censors. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair point, though I'm not sure that we know that the OP is editing from Saudi either. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:26, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Now I'm banned by the same admin for no reason! who exploits the wikipedia's authority

I'm really sick of that, can anybody here help I wanted to start translate many German wikipedia pages to Arabic to practice my German and enrich the Arabic wiki Moußsa (talk) 19:51, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Moußsa, you do not in fact appear to be banned, but rather blocked for a week for making personal attacks. As was said here earlier, the English Wikipedia has no power or oversight over the Arabic Wikipedia, and probably the best course of action is to return in a week, and refrain from making personal attacks. Timothy Joseph Wood  20:07, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

CVUA
I've been wanting to take a course in the CVUA, so that I could get A) better at removal and Identification of Vandalism B) So that I can have a higher chance of getting access to "Rollback" rights so that I could use Tools like Huggle and STik. Does anyone know of a trainer that is not listed? As the only one that has a slot open has a vastly different time zone which could greatly interfere with the process. ALL help is appreciated. Bel-Shamharoth (talk) 20:17, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Can I please ask who made the Article on RAF Shipdham Airfield?
Please let me know because I would like to know If the have any links to this Airfield as I do. If this is possible it would be great. Thank You

HLC (talk) 19:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello . Like most Wikipedia articles, a lot of different editors have contributed to RAF Shipdham over the years. You can find a full list on its history page. Clicking any of the usernames in that list will take you through to that editor's user page, which usually has a little bit about them, and you can contact them via their talk page. However do be aware that some may no longer be active on the project, and that many have chosen to edit pseudonymously and may value their privacy. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 20:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank You Joe. I am trying to talk to DiverScout, who has edited this page. I haven't been on Wiki for along time and seem to forgotten how to talk to users. I know this sounds dumb but please can you advise me and refresh my mind. Thank You      HLC (talk) 20:11, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * You can simply click on the (talk) button next to their name in the history pane. Then click "Add new Section" at the top of the page near your name and fill out the form.

Bel-Shamharoth (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! You're amazing! HLC (talk) 20:20, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * You are very welcome, my pleasure. Bel-Shamharoth (talk) 20:23, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

How to stop the dictatorship of some Arabic wiki's admins?
A week ago, an admin deleted all my edits in all of Arabic wiki, after I criticized a page called 'miracles of Quran' that has many scientific errors, he still send attentions and insults for no reason to me, and today I have been blocked for no reason! he said 'that I wrote 'not true' before a week to a paragraph that says: 'the whole universe was attached to earth then they got separated from each other, scientists said!' is not true, he said: describe this as 'not true' was an insult and attack to the Muslim faith and I should be banned after he said that I'm a liar though I posted many sources in my critics but he deleted them without even read them! I'm blocked for a week and he sent me a message says he will expand the block later! I'm just sick of what's happening there, what can I do!? 20:39, 13 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moußsa (talk • contribs)


 * I wanted to start translate many German wikipedia pages to Arabic to practice my German and enrich the Arabic wiki Moußsa (talk) 20:45, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * as this is the English Wikipedia there is nothing we can do for you here as each Wikipedia is separate and self-governing. Once you are unblocked you could try asking for clarification at  but it is down to the participants at the Arabic Wikipedia to decide what happens. Nthep (talk) 20:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't this topic already being discussed further down this page already? Why are we starting a second conversation for it? - NsTaGaTr (Talk) 20:55, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Probably because he didn't like the answer he got, which was go "back in a week and don't make personal attacks". Timothy Joseph Wood  20:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

cause I pretty sure that he will block me again for no reason, I really know how these 'people' think, and I find this really disgusting and unfair, sadly I can do nothing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moußsa (talk • contribs) 21:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * @TimothyJosephWood I have never attacked or insulted him, but he claims so! 21:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moußsa (talk • contribs)


 * You really don't seem to be understanding that...even if you are completely right, and they are completely wrong we can't do anything about it. Timothy Joseph Wood  21:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Can articles be viewed after deletion?
I want to know if deleted articles can be viewed somehow, or at least be put in a sandbox, and if so, can this be done by just anybody? - ZLEA (talk) 23:51, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * They can be viewed, and returned to a sandbox, but only by admins. If your want an article to be returned, contact the admin who deleted it and give a reason why it should be returned. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. - ZLEA (talk) 00:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Confused about {'s and ['s and :'s and |'s
Do and ping:example both accomplish the same purpose of notifying user:example? Thanks, DennisPietras (talk) 00:20, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No. Curly brackets  call a template (with a few exceptions). Square brackets   make a link. A user is notified if a signed edit links to their user page (with a few exceptions), whether the link is made with a template or directly.   makes a user page link because Template:yo (or the template it redirects to) is coded to do that. Several other templates can also be used for the purpose. Making the link directly like   would also work. But   does nothing except make a link to a non-existing page called "ping:example". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * DennisPietras (talk) 01:45, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Help with Mediation
I've read the Wiki pages for Mediation but I've never done it before, barely even edited before last weekend and I'd like some help doing Mediation. I'm involved in an argument over some semantics of phrasing over the differences between a Hockey Team and a Hockey Franchise and would like to take it to Mediation but I'm not sure what the best form of Mediation would be or exactly how to do it. Would an experienced Editor be able to help me out with my Mediation Case? Sparhawk85 (talk) 01:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Is this about Talk:National_Hockey_League? First step is to discuss the matter civally without insulting other editors.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

What constitutes a reliable source for a biography?
I am trying to write a biographical article and am uncertain of how to add a reliable source to information about a person when that is what I am attempting to create. I have read through the general help reference and followed the instructions for adding at least one reference but it seems I have not understood properly. Can anybody help me? Casey jmwk (talk) 01:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! That is a good question. Wikipedia doesn't create information about people who have biographical articles here. Instead, we reproduce information from reliable sources like newspaper and magazine articles, and books, that have been written about the person in question. That way, readers can verify that all information provided in the biography is correct, by reading the citations provided. If you can't find reliable sources about the person in question, it might be because you're not searching in the right places: google books, google news, LexisNexis, and in scholarly research databases. Another possibility is that the person you'd like to write about doesn't meet the general notability guidelines for an encyclopedia biography. Who are you thinking of writing about? Hope that helps. -Darouet (talk) 02:45, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I have looked at the article you made, Fem Belling. I see that she is mentioned in a few Australian papers, but as the article stands now, it would almost certainly be deleted because it has not been demonstrated that Belling meets the requirements for an encyclopedia entry. You can read more about this here: WP:GNG. I did find a number of references to Belling:, ,  (just a mention), , . You'd probably need to find more to justify an article. I hope that's helpful. -Darouet (talk) 02:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Icons in Mobile Search Suggestion
Hi,

I saw icons next to search suggestion in the mobile for wiki. I want the logo to show up on in the search suggestion for my wiki page. Please help provide instruction how can I do it.-Carlos 06:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlosleung (talk • contribs) 06:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Carlosleung, welcome to the Teahouse. Non-free files like File:Inari Amertron Logo.png are not displayed in search suggestions for copyright reasons. See more at mw:Extension:PageImages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Also,, please understand that Inari Amertron Berhad is not "your wiki page", and your desire for the logo to show up suggests that you are thinking of it as advertising for you. Be aware that promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. Also please note that if you are in any way associated with the company, you have a conflict of interest, and are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly; and if you are in any way paid by the company for doing so, then you are in breach of Wikipedia's terms of service by not disclosing this fact, according to the policy on paid editing. --ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both -Carlos 05:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlosleung (talk • contribs)

Content directory
Hi. Is the content directory of Michael Graversen ok? Is it ok to write biography for example? Is the page in general ok now? KlausJensen (talk) 07:50, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * My own opinions only:
 * The automatically-created "Contents" box looks fine. "Biography" is I think an acceptable name for a section, though "Life" might be better. However that section's lonngest paragraph is about a film which is already the subject of a Wikipedia article; when a wikilink is given, there's generally no need to give a description of the linked subject as well, interested readers can follow the wikilink. The "Awards" section is too long. The references ought to use the relevant templates. Some of the references are not to independent sources, and should be removed. Maproom (talk) 09:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Adding Maps
How to add Map in article of place/village ? Ainul.Axom (talk) 10:36, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Ainul.Axom. First, you will either need a map that is licensed for free use, or otherwise compatible with our non-free content policy. If you cannot find one, you can request that one be created at Graphics Lab/Map workshop. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Advice on editing a political leader's page
Hi, I would like some advice on adding missing information to a political leader's Wikipedia page: Rached Ghannouchi. I am new to editing and I have been trying to develop my knowledge about editing on Wikipedia recently. I had a go previously but it was unsuccessful. I would like to add in the latest prize won by Rached Ghannouchi, the Jamnalal Bajaj award in India for promoting Gandhian values. Should I copy the whole article or just the section which I would like to edit in my sandbox? Then add the information and submit for review?Mouad888 (talk) 11:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Mouad888. The first thing you will need is a a source for the information that meets our standards for reliability. Once you have that, adding to the article is fairly easy. For guidance on referencing for Wikipedia, see Help:Referencing for beginners. Timothy Joseph Wood  13:19, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

help for editing my page nominated for proposed deletion
Hi, can you help me for editing my page leera the soulmate, so that it could be published without being deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guptamonoo90 (talk • contribs) 06:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi there, and welcome to The Teahouse. As the film is not yet released, the it's probably too soon to make the article for Leera the soulmate, especially if there isn't a lot of independent coverage of the production of the film as it is being developed.  I'd recommend waiting closer to when film is released, and there are reviews and other production details available in reliable sources.  I JethroBT drop me a line 15:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

thanks for your suggestion
is this is only the reason of selection for deletion or any other problems is there and please help me to edit my page raghubeer singh wich is also selected for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guptamonoo90 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The article Raghubeer Singh cites only one source, which contains no discussion of its subject. Unless someone can add references to independent reliable published sources with significant discussion of the subject, the article is liable to be deleted. Maproom (talk) 13:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Poem
Can I create an article on the famous poems ???? Sawongam (talk) 14:56, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, . Welcome to the Teahouse! The answer to your question is maybe. Fame is subjective. However, if the poem you want to write about is notable, and there isn't already an article on it, then yes you can. Notability is shown by the poem having been written about in detail in multiple reliable sources. If you want to be specific about what poem, we can give you a more specific answer. John from Idegon (talk) 15:09, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Yea,Of course Sawongam (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Article advice required...
I have written an article and submitted it for review - "OrderWise"

I kept it factual, with no sale'sy language. It has lots of external, verifiable, third party, independent references such as newspapers, online news sources and trade/industry magazines, plus a government website and some trade websites.

However, submission was declined, and I'm not sure what I can do with it to make it more suitable. I thought I'd followed all guidelines/policies correctly.

I raised some points on the reviewers Talk page - "SwisterTwister", but no response as yet.

Any help from The Teahouse would be greatly appreciated ! Jim2017OW (talk) 09:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Received no advice, but I've removed quite a lot of text from the draft article and resubmitted it for review. I've removed the text that I assume was what was referred to as 'more like a business listing.' Fingers crossed!! Any additional comments on whether it's been improved in line with guidelines would be greatly appreciated. Jim2017OW (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Please advise article status
Hello there, I would be very grateful if someone could advise me the status of this article

Titled: Lancastrian Brigade Junior Bandsmen 1961-63.

Yours faithfully Charles DobsonCD0060576 (talk) 14:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey CD0060576. Looks like the article in question, Draft:Junior Bandsman Wing Fulwood Barracks 1961-63 is currently declined, and in its current state, is unlikely to be accepted if resubmitted, since, as your previous reviewers rightly point out, it includes no references for the information, and it is not entirely clear what the article is even about. At first, it appears to be on the subject of a particular photograph, which, unless exceptionally iconic, is unlikely to meet Wikipedia's standards for notability, before meandering to some related but not clearly defined topic, before returning to describing a photograph. Further, it's not entirely clear what the email copy/pasted at the bottom is even in reference to, or why it is included in the draft.


 * So, probably the first thing you should decide is exactly what you are trying to write about, and then find reliable sources for the subject, before attempting to formulate a draft. Timothy Joseph Wood  15:13, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Styling a talkpage box
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia, but used MediaWiki a lot a few years ago, and I distinctly remember being able to style user pages with advanced css (shadows, background images etc) but I can't seem to figure out how to do it now. Is this still possible? Thanks, --screaming_tiger9 (talk) 16:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, You may find what you are looking for at User page design center. --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. It's exactly what I was looking for. --screaming_tiger9 (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Looking for experienced editor to post translations
Hi- I found an article that was far longer in the original German than it was in English, so I decided to translate it. But in all frankness, I am not all that keen on figuring out how to post links, formatting it, etc. and would be immensely grateful if someone were to just take my translation and do the rest. There are 7 sections, 7 weblinks, and 27 citations in the German article, so this is no small task. More than one person would probably be best. I can have the translation completed by the end of the week at the latest.Viennamusik (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Viennamusik. Wikipedia encourages editors to be bold in contributing to the project, and in comparison, the markup for the article is fairly easy next to the actual act of translation. Some options could be to reach out to a related wikiproject, to tag the article with cleanup notices that will add it to the backlogs of articles that need fixed in certain ways, or to use it as a opportunity to ask specific questions about markup, and grow your skill set some so you can contribute more in the future. As always, folks around here are willing to help. Timothy Joseph Wood  15:28, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response. The related Wikiproject- Vienna history- has been inactive for a long time. I'm really looking for a partner.Viennamusik (talk) 16:06, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Viennamusik Yeah, WikiProjects are hit or miss sometimes. But depending on the topic, and judging by your name, another topical project may be relevant, like WikiProject Music. Timothy Joseph Wood  18:00, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * As a first step,, why don't you tell us which article it is? I can think of a couple of active and capable editors who regularly translate from German; if it's within the area of interest of either I could suggest it to them, or invite them to this page. Or I might try to help myself, though my German is slow and unsteady. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:45, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * This is the link to the English article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am_Spiegelgrund_clinic It concerns the Spiegelgrund clinic in Vienna, which sadly participated in the child euthanasia program during WWII; hence, the pretty short article.  It's not something commonly talked about. Thank you for your response! It means a lotViennamusik (talk) 02:26, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'd be willing to help you with that - seems like a worthy project :) There's a lot of excellent info in the de version, and most importantly it is well sourced with inline refs (bit of a rarity in dewiki articles, sad to say - these "general references" really tick me off, and sometimes make porting articles next to impossible). I'm a native German speaker, which may be useful. I'd be happy to get to it on Sunday next. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I am thrilled and simply cannot thank you enough for your help. My German is about a B2 so you being a native speaker is more than just simply 'useful' haha You're a God-sent, and I am truly honored to work with you on this.Viennamusik (talk) 15:44, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I didn't know how to tag you when I responded to your inquiry concerning the German article. It's about the Spiegelgrund clinic in Vienna where 800 children were euthanised during WWII. Elmidae has graciously agreed to help me, but of course when it comes to developing this article, the more, the merrier. Thank you for your help as wellViennamusik (talk) 15:50, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Article information
Is there any provision for the user who had created a article at wikipedia ?? And how can we know who had created the page ?? Sawongam (talk) 14:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * On the page in question, you will see a "Page Information" link on the left side. Clicking that will display a variety of information, along with page creator.  Hope this helps. - NsTaGaTr (Talk) 16:20, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

NsTaGaTr I didn't get it can you explain plzz !! Sawongam (talk) 16:43, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Gladly Sawongam. If you go to my user page (*here*), on the very left side is a 'menu'.  Under the "Tools" section, there is a link called "Page Information".  If you click on that, you will see who created the page, how many edits have been made, etc. - NsTaGaTr (Talk</b>) 16:50, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

add descriptive sentence to footnote citation
Is it possible to add a descriptive sentence to a footnote containing a citation?TBR-qed (talk) 16:37, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes it is. If you are using citation templates, simply put your description inside the ref tags but outside the template:




 * – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:12, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Article
Hello wikipedians I have just created an article Ranbir Singh Thapa but I didn't understood what happened to it Is it still there or it has been deleted or what ? Can anyone explain me ??? Sawongam (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I can still see the article. - <b style="color:#ff5d00">NsTaGaTr</b> (<b style="color:#F00">Talk</b>) 16:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It was under deletion, though briefly. The deletion was declined. The article has heaps of other problems, still. See the tags there. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:04, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

finnusertop and <b style="color:#ff5d00">NsTaGaTr</b> There is same page about rabir Singh Thapa but it has wrong spelling and its Ranabir Singh Thapa  can anyone merge this page to  Ranbir Singh Thapa Thank you Sawongam (talk) 17:12, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Done, . – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

finnusertop Thanks very much

page not showing up on google search?
Hi, a page I created wont show up on google search? Please help.

Kindly Thenetman (talk) 12:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. It will, once it has been patrolled or 30 days have elapsed. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:21, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Interesting to hear about the 30 days, which is a criterion which was apparently added to the linked page only 5 days ago. Comforting that pages don't have to wait until patrolled, as there is a 4 month backlog. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:34, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It was just added to the documentation, but as far as I know has always been the case (though a lot of people said 90 days before). –&#8239;Joe (talk) 17:31, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

How do I tag other users in posts?
Sorry I'm a bit of a newbie and I can't figure out to tag other users in posts? How is this done?

Thanks! KerryFromThePub-Round2 (talk) 15:25, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey KerryFromThePub-Round2. There are number of ways to do this, but probably the easiest to remember is simply to copy and paste their user name in brackets, like I just did for you by copy/pasting . However, regardless of how you do this, it will only notify the user if it is only the addition of new text plus a new signature. You cannot edit a previous comment to add a ping, because the software differentiates between pure addition of text and modification of text. Any type of modification will result in it not registering as a pure addition, and the notification will not go through.  Timothy Joseph Wood  15:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Alternatively,  is a convenient shorthand that has the same effect. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 17:30, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * As is and  . Justin15w (talk) 17:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Advice on first edit request
Hello, I would be very grateful for some advice on how best to proceed with requesting edits to the article on CriticalBlue. I am new to this and I made a mistake by copying & pasting information about the company to my sandbox without attribution (this has now been sorted by another editor and attribution provided).

My intention was to draft changes to the CriticalBlue page in my sandbox and then put a request in for an edit to the article via the Talk:CriticalBlue page. I thought this would make any requested edits easier to read. Unfortunately, I went about this in the wrong way and my sandbox was tagged for speedy deletion. Although the speedy deletion request was declined by another administrator/editor I am worried that the warnings on my talk page will cause problems for me in the future.

I have requested an edit to the CriticalBlue article (I have declared my conflict of interest) and I realise this may take some time due to the backlog but I wanted to get any possible issues with my userspace (and my method of requesting edits) cleared up before this request is reviewed. Should I leave this request and wait for it to be reviewed or withdraw it and start again? Will that create more problems?

Thank you for your time. Houseonbluehill (talk) 09:31, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * if you believe that specific statements in the article need correction, you should give the details, preferably with references. An edit request that looks like "the managing director is no longer X, he has been replaced by Y, as stated in this cited document" is likely to be accepted. An edited request that looks like "please replace the entire article by the version in my sandbox" is very likely to be rejected or ignored. Maproom (talk) 10:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * This can extend to a whole section, ; but the easier you make the reviewing editor's job, the more likely it is that somebody will pick it up. See Talk:Bradford Playhouse for how I have done this: the first request was for a whole section (which I drafted in my userspace and linked, but you can just as well do it in the talk page itself); the second was for a single paragraph. Note that in both cases I supplied independent references. --ColinFine (talk) 13:54, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you and  for your advice, I really appreciate it. I'll edit my request to make it clearer. So you don't think the speedy deletion tag/warning should cause any problems for me? Houseonbluehill (talk) 19:12, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Stephanie de Winter
If anyone is an expert on setting up a Wiki profile please let me know as I tried today and seem to have made some errors. Not sure where I have gone wrong. Stephanie de Winter (talk) 19:38, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; not a social media or advertising site.  See WP:NOTPROMOTION and WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK.  All article subjects must be WP:NOTABLE and have WP:RELIABLE sources.  It looks like the person who added the speedy deletion tage  is using copyright violation as reasoning because some of the text is copied from another website.  He or she also mentioned that you are advertising by posting links as to where to purchase your books, your website, and your twitter.  Lastly, Wikipedia frowns on autobiographies because it represents a conflict of interest.  Hope this helps. Justin15w (talk) 19:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Can anyone help with sources?
Hi there, I've been trying to get an article posted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Simply_Gluten_Free_Magazine) and it's been up for deletion a few times for not having adequate sources that prove it's notable. Even though I've edited it, moderators still end up putting it up for deletion and I just haven't received clear enough direction on how to fix it.

I was hoping someone could help me find additional sources or tell me which of the sources I've included are good and which are not sufficient. To be honest, there are not very many news media outlets or independent news sources that write articles about magazines in general, unless that magazine hits an all-time record for something, is part of some controversy, is founded by a big-name celebrity like Oprah or Rachael Ray, or is bought or sold by another media company.

I've been looking at other publications' Wikipedia pages to see what kinds of sources they use and I'm not seeing that high-quality of sources. I looked at VegNews, which has sources that aren't what I'd consider "independent news sources" and Naked Food Magazine has no sources listed at all. Also, I was looking at Whole Foods Magazine's Wikipedia page and it has 5 sources, 3 of which are its own website and 1 comes up as a 404 error and the other is just a library website that has no mention of the magazine. The sources I've provided for Simply Gluten Free Magazine's page are far superior to the sources in any of these 3 other magazines' pages that were approved by the moderators of Wikipedia, so I'm pretty much at a loss as to what else I can include or edit.

M.Renae (talk) 18:13, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * hello and welcome to the Teahouse! The question you ask is a difficult one. From what you're describing, it's possible that you simply haven't searched in all locations possible to find detail and information available in high quality sources. Resources I like to consult are LexisNexis Academic, Factiva, Google Scholar, Google News, Google Books, and JSTOR. Another possibility is that high quality sources simply do not have information on the magazine you'd like to write about. In that case, the magazine probably does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines for an article - those guidelines can be found here: WP:N.


 * I love writing articles and it has sometimes happened that a topic I'd like to write about has little information available in reliable sources. In those cases, despite my desire to write an article, I can't. The problem becomes evident if I try: how do I know what I've just written down is true? How can I prove it to someone else who's skeptical?


 * Honestly, the other examples you mention here - like VegNews - appear to demonstrate that those articles shouldn't exist either. We would need to examine each case closely, but it's very possible they should and eventually will be deleted. Anyway I hope that's of some help! -Darouet (talk) 18:26, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * - when you say "In those cases, despite my desire to write an article, I can't.", what's to stop you from working up a draft and simply 'waiting' for the references to eventually come in, thereby making the article usable? (*asking for a friend... lol*) - <b style="color:#ff5d00">NsTaGaTr</b> (<b style="color:#F00">Talk</b>) 18:33, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * thanks for your question, which I think is excellent. What would stop me, and most editors, is that the content we find in reliable sources becomes the basis for anything we add to wikipedia. Typically when I am doing research I will open up as many relevant resources as possible, and makes notes on the content I find in them, adding the reference for each note. Then, I convert the notes into readable prose, while keeping the citations. If I were to try to write a draft before resources are available, I wouldn't know what to write. -Darouet (talk) 18:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, however I was thinking of it from the opposite angle of "I have an article in mind, and I know lots about it, however it hasn't been widely reported on by 'notable' sources as of yet. I could write this article up in no time and be spot on, however without valid references, it'd get shot down immediately. - <b style="color:#ff5d00">NsTaGaTr</b> (<b style="color:#F00">Talk</b>) 18:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Without reliable sources, you have no way of knowing whether you are actually spot on or not. Timothy Joseph Wood  19:00, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * And neither do we! -Darouet (talk) 19:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks Darouet. I just looked at each of the suggested sites you mentioned, but some of them (like Lexus Nexus) require an account. I'm generally pretty good with research and I feel like I've found most of the sources that are out there - although I did just find one more but I'm not sure how significant of an impact it will make. Can you or anyone else on here check out the sources on the page and let me know your opinion. I feel like overall it's a good amount of reliable sources, but the problem some moderators have brought up is that the articles only briefly mention the magazine and aren't in-depth.

M.Renae (talk) 19:54, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Non-linear history
Hello,

I ran into something odd. The history of User talk:66.186.101.66 is not in chronological order; observe the last entries, reproduced below as I see them:

(cur | prev) 18:41, 14 February 2017‎ Gamall Wednesday Ida (talk | contribs)‎. . (10,312 bytes) (+800)‎. . (Only warning: Vandalism on Microwave oven. (TW)) (undo) (cur | prev) 19:31, 7 February 2017‎ Reify-tech (talk | contribs)‎. . (9,512 bytes) (+97)‎. . (+ staticip ) (undo | thank) (cur | prev) 18:51, 7 February 2017‎ Gilliam (talk | contribs)‎. . (9,415 bytes) (+1,074)‎. . (You have been blocked from editing for persistent vandalism. (TW)) (undo | thank) (cur | prev) 18:50, 7 February 2017‎ Gilliam (talk | contribs)‎. . (8,341 bytes) (+729)‎. . (Warning: Vandalism on Microwave oven. (TW)) (undo | thank)

How is that possible?

— Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 20:29, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * they look to be in the correct order to me; 6:50pm, 6:51pm and 7:31pm on 7 Feb then your edit just under a week later. What do you think is out of order? Nthep (talk) 20:38, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. Nevermind. I should really go to bed, apparently. I could have sworn the IP wasn't blocked when I warned it (I normally see blocked users as stricken-out, and wouldn't have warned a blocked user), but apparently it had been blocked for a week. A display problem might partly explain my confusion, although I'm not sure how I managed to never read the bloody date when asking the question. Sorry for the noise. — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 20:48, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Dead links
In the case of a dead link, is it better to leave the link dead or revert it to normal text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricecakes19 (talk • contribs)
 * It depends. Was the page previously deleted? If so, then probably. Otherwise, you should leave the link on the page; that way, it can let editors know that a page needs creation. MereTechnicality   ⚙  22:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * If you are willing to spend the time,, it's worth looking for it on an internet archive, such as archive,org. See WP:LINKROT. --ColinFine (talk) 00:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse. I think that the reason that you've had 2 rather different answers is that there have been 2 different interpretations of your question.  MereTechnicality was answering on the basis that you were asking about wikilinks;  ColinFine was replying on the basis that you were asking about references. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

How to Edit A page That is Protected from vandelism
Hi, how do I edit a page that is protected sure to vandalism? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by L1amw90 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Which page? It depends on the type of protection. Your account should be autoconfirmed soon, so you will be able to edit semi-protected pages then. In the meantime, and for any other pages you cannot edit, propose your edits on the article's talk page. See WP:EDITREQ. Meters (talk) 05:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Numerical time telling ?
What is the style for telling time in numbers and am pm?Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 07:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Srednaus - It's described at MOS:TIME. EricEnfermero (Talk) 07:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Deleting Multiple accounts and deletion of an error in the archive.
Hello. I need assistance in 1. Deleting obsolete data from the archive- I tried to delete but I was reverted. 2. What can I do to have one account if I had opened other two wikipedia accounts i.e the account with most contributions?-Information in my talk page/my talk page history. Renamed user abkluv 07:36, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You should not remove information from archives. Even if it might seen obsolete to you, it might be helpful to other editors in the future. That's the very reason it was archived rather than deleted in the first place.
 * There are allowed and prohibited uses of multiple accounts. In my opinion, you should keep using the account that is newer, not the one with most contributions. Novelty of the account points to one such legitimate use (namely a clean start) while the amount of contributions has no bearing.


 * Also, I'm quite confident that having a white-on-white signature is against the rules. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:49, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy on use of tertiary sources and COPYVIO when translating
Hi Teahouse. I'm currently working on improving Oscar Efren Reyes, and I've encountered two issues which I hope you could help me with. (I've also left some messages on the talk page, for those who want a bit more info) Thanks again for your help. -- talk2Chun  (talk) (contributions) 00:00, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) What is Wikipedia's policy on the use of tertiary sources that is not a wiki or user-generated? Specifically, I'm referring to and, which seem to be (biographical) encyclopedias written by two (reputable?) historians.
 * 2) What is Wikipedia's policy where a sister wiki (specifically, es:Óscar Efrén Reyes) has more content than we do, but the content seems to violate WP:COPYVIO if the sources were in English? (I've tried as best as possible to rephrase the existing content based on the Spanish sources, but given that the page has a 'suggested translation from Spanish wiki' tag, I fear that myself or other (less experienced) editors may inadvertently add translated 'copyrighted' content)
 * You are allowed to use tertiary sources, but there is a preferences for secondary sources (In my experience this preference is not particularly strong: unless you have a Featured article nomination or similar in mind, tertiary sources are no different than secondary. In fact, tertiary sources probably give you good insights to balancing different viewpoints since they've had to do this.)
 * Do not translate COPYVIO material. I'd say it's good to remove that translation suggestion tag since the material on the Spanish Wikipedia is unsuitable.
 * – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I agree with my colleague   but would like add my own thoughts. At first glance,  those Equadoran biographical encyclopedias look like reliable sources,  but please evaluate their reputations. Do other reliable sources praise them or criticize them for inaccuracies? Is one more highly regarded than the other? This is where you need to exercise editorial judgment, since you may know more about the sources than many other editors. Or be in a better position to evaluate them.


 * As for translating sources that violate copyright, please summarize those sources instead,  and reference them properly. And research where the proper place to report copyright violations on the Spanish Wikipedia is. I am sure there is such a place,  but my Spanish is too weak to find it. Editors there will help you. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  08:10, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Finnusertop and Cullen328 for your clear answers. Just to be clear on my part though, I didn't copy/translate anything from the Spanish wikipedia; I just noticed that the text there very much resembles (almost word for word) the two sources I mentioned. As for the two sources, I completely agree with you, Cullen328, that their reliability will likely need to be evaluated, which unfortunately I'm not in the best position to do. In the face of lack of any sources, and with their outward appearance of having been written by two prominent Ecuadorian historians, I thought it reasonable to cite them until better sources are found.-- talk2Chun  (talk) (contributions) 09:00, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Introduction and question about editing content
Hello all,

I am a longtime Wikipedia reader and now attempting to edit content on behalf of the seminary I work for. I have had material removed for "copyright reasons...you must write all content in your own words."

I neowikite in terms of editing content so I am trying to learn, please help me. If I am using content that has come directly for my school's website, and citing it, do I still need to put it in my own words? I guess this is similar to writing an academic paper and trying not to plagiarize but instead use my own words. And, to give proper credit.

Please counsel, I am merely trying to start a good content base for my institution. Dlmartin85 (talk) 16:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . If you look at the bottom of a Wikipedia page, you'll see the statement that "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License". As a result, material from other websites can only be used word-for-word if its copyright status is compatible with that licence - otherwise, Wikipedia would be breaking copyright rules by releasing it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Even if you cite the source, if that source is subject to copyright, then it's a copyright violation even if it is not plagiarism. In any case, material on a school website is unlikely to be written in a suitably encyclopedic style for Wikipedia. Ideally, most of any article should be based on what independent sources say about a subject, rather than sources published by the subject. Finally, I would advise you to read and follow the guidance at Conflict of interest. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Larry,

Thank you for your advice and counsel. This is very helpful! Dlmartin85 (talk) 17:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Re-review of my article: Operations Management for Services
I received a rejection of my article: Operations Management for Services. I have revised it extensively based on the reviewers comments. I have also just resubmitted the article. (1) Will it be reviewed again by the same person? (2) How can I communicate with the same or new reviewer about the changes I made?Rgschroeder12 (talk) 15:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Rgschroeder12. Your draft will be reviewed again; however, there is a substantial back logs and this make take a few weeks. There is no requirement that the same person review the article, and although there is also no prohibition, many volunteers at WP:AfC will allow others to review a draft they have previously declined in order to get a third opinion. If you would like to communicate with others regarding the draf, the appopriate place is Draft talk:Operations Management for Services. Timothy Joseph Wood  18:08, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

To change the language of article.
MrKerimov (talk) 14:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Hello. Glad to see that I'm invited to a chatroom where I'm able to ask my questions. I'd like to know how to translate my article of Alexander Palishuk and created the translated version of article. Can you explain me the easiest way? Thanks!MrKerimov (talk) 14:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, MrKerimov, and welcome to the Teahouse! The easiest way to get a page translated is to list it at the pages needing translation board. If you have other questions, feel free to ask! MereTechnicality   ⚙  14:20, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * . I'm not sure whether you're talking about translating into or from English, but either way, there is useful information at WP:Translation. (, the page you pointed him to is for articles which have already been added to English Wikipedia but are not in English. Also, if you reply to a message here, it is helpful to ping the questioner - I use the Template:U so:, but there are also other ways). --ColinFine (talk) 20:10, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

How do I duplicate a template or use the original and simply give it a different display title?
Hello. I am creating new articles on WWII Philippine Army Divisions. I want to use the small box template titled, but would simply like to hide the name "US Regiments" and visually replace it with "1941-42 Philippine Army Divisions"---either by copying and creating a duplicate template that simply has a different name, or by some other means in my code allowing a different title to be displayed. Here is the original template code:

Usage:

Example:

I want MY new example to look like this:

Example:

I am new at learning your code, navigating your help pages, and I don't know how to create a new template, or to edit the US Regiments one to make a different title be displayed (i.e. "1941-42 Philippine Army Divisions"). Either solution would work for me. Please help, and thanks! Mluklu7 (talk) 14:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

(See Article on 11th Division (Philippines) for example of my attempt to use this box template, etc. Notice the template works; I simply need to change the title in my edit code so it will read "1941-42 Philippine Army Divisions", instead of "U.S. Infantry Regiments".)


 * I'm sitting here looking at your post and the 'blank' usage and example lines, wondering what was going on... I just now noticed that it put them under the infobox on this page, lol - <b style="color:#ff5d00">NsTaGaTr</b> (<b style="color:#F00">Talk</b>) 14:47, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that---the template brackets must have actually applied them here. Been in certain aspects of this business since 1983, but technical programming is new to me---even simple stuff.  I guess just go to the 11th Division (Philippines) article and go to the edit function to see how this is all typed out.  In fact---if you have the solution, just fix it and I will make the correction up and down the line on each of the other pages.  They're all under construction anyway.  Thanks!  Mluklu7 (talk) 14:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * , I have answered you at the Help desk. Please don't post the same question in more than one place. In answer to how to mention a template without getting it substituted, you can put it between &lt;nowiki> and &lt;/nowiki> (You should be able to use the template tlx, but I can't get that to work for your particular examples.
 * So

&lt;pre>&lt;nowiki>&lt;/nowiki>&lt;/pre>


 * displays as


 * (I've also used &lt;pre> ... &lt;/pre> to preserve the line breaks). --ColinFine (talk) 20:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)